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Conservative a Minority in the Atheist Community | Dave - Dallas, TX | Atheist Experience 22.02
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I'm a conservative atheist but i'm not a minority here in Belgium. It's mostly American atheists that are very left wing.
John Visage Same here in the UK, it’s more accepted in Europe to be a conservative and irreligious than over in the States. Something I’ve never understood considering how fanatical both religion and left wing ideology is.
you'd also have to take into account that a conservative from most European countries would be considered by many U.S. conservatives not just a liberal but sometimes an outright communist just for suggesting to have education and healthcare available to all citizens.
@@brumav9779 "Something I’ve never understood considering how fanatical both religion and left wing ideology is.
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It's just as much as the right wing ideology so how can't you understand that?
@@92brunod Well left wing ideology tends to be more utopian, right wing ideology less so. That’s the comparison I’m drawing here - if you care to elaborate on your point then that’d be appreciated
@@92brunod European conservative atheïst = American conservative - religion. And yes that's a big difference because most American conservatives are very religious driven. Where i live the 2 biggest parties are right wing (1 conservative) and both leaders of those parties are atheïsts.
Dave I’m a conservative atheist and I understand what you are talking about
+Joseph Dodd
Me too! I suspect there are far more than people realise.
Me too and I don't understand what a belief in a magical fairy up in space has to do with how our government is run.
republican atheist/agnostic here too.
@@Rodzilla97 I never really understood why people lump atheists in with liberals, I simply don't get what religion has to do with how our government is run? I mean afterall the US was founded on secular principles.
Joseph Dodd Same. As a conservative atheist I feel like a minority on the right, and the left.
When I express my atheist opinions to the right I feel like a minority.
To leftist atheists I feel like a minority due to my conservative values.
It's ok to be athiest and conservative
Thanks Bill 👍
Thanks bill
@@rosegyrose7714 - Do you think democrat liberals don’t have religious people among them?
Tell that to Juanita Broaddrick
Conservative atheist here as well. We are the most open minded people on earth
How do your views differ from a liberal atheists?
@Jack Daniels they differ greatly
@XDranzer000 I'm an atheist and align pretty much 100% with modern Republican ideals, except for blowing out federal spending. I disagree with both parties on excessive spending.
@@tightywhitey9779 Do you atleast agree with liberals on Same sex marriage and rights along with abortion?
😂😂😂😂😂😂
Hey I am conservative AND an atheist! Now THAT'S what I call a minority!
Add black to that and you have my attention.
Tell it brother Tell It :-D
Don't we get special rights or something? Don't we deserve different bathrooms or a branch in the military? Conservative Atheist Thought Week would be good. How about some affirmative action campaign... Conservative Atheist Minds Matter CAMM!
Lol. I'm a black atheist conservative! Definitely not a popular view.
SidDaSlothMan me to
SidDaSlothMan try to beat this one lol. A gay , atheist latino conservative 😂
I always thought I was the only atheist that is conservative
When i first became an atheist i thought, damn im fr alone now 😂
Nah over in Europe it’s normal. I assume you’re American though
Same,
@@brumav9779 p sure what passes as "concervative" in most European nations classify as moderate/centrist at the absolute most in comparison to America
I'm a Libertarian Atheist, with conservative tendencies.
I am a Libertarian Atheist, I thought I was the only one.
I vote conservative mostly, because the liberal party stands against my Libertarian views the most. There is a new Libertarian party here that looks promising though.
I'm happy to not be the only one.
Same
Me too
I think this might be the first video on this show where I’ve agreed with the caller more than the hosts
Agree 100%.
Why is that?
@@anthonyesposito7 probably because this was three years ago and I had recently become an atheist and was only slowly shaking off my conservative views and hadn’t become a socialist yet.
@@juleshale8847 Wow. What a downgrade
Right/left centrist atheist here. I find most of my atheist friends are very liberal, but not quite in the radical camp. Some have tried to run me off from my meetup group, but I won't let them. I am trained in science, and also love the scifi and comic movies all of them love, so we get along on that level, and that's okay.
I don't even mind being in the minority. What I mind is the incredible nastiness I experience from liberal atheists when they discover I'm a fiscal conservative.
Yes, that's happened to me more than once.
The problem is that you're conflating something two things that don't have anything to do with each other. Atheism just means: lack of belief in a god. It doesn't mean: skeptical, educated, tolerant, respectful, or anything else.
The issue here is liberalism vs conservatism, not atheist vs theist.
Atheists tend to be more liberal in the US because of the deep ties between conservatism and religion, that's just a fact. The moment prominent Republicans stop invoking god and blaming problems on demons, then you might see a wider spread of ideologies regardless of religious beliefs.
@@Fernando-ek8jp But, see, that's changed of late... not the conservatives invoking God... that still happens, and I still roll my eyes at them, but rather the ideology of the liberals has become authoritarian and violent. As a libertarian, they go against every single thing I stand for. As I said, I don't mind being in the minority. I just mind the extreme nastiness of the left, again, when they find out I'm a fiscal conservative (which has less than zero to do with God or a lack thereof). Of course, it doesn't help that I'm a self-made man and come from poverty, but became successful through my own hard work. There seems to be nothing today's left hates more than a good rags to riches through hard work story.
@@ArtofFreeSpeech Let me try to rephrase my point because it seems to have been absolutely lost in transmission:
The atheism is irrelevant.
Most atheists are liberal, but that's not because of any inherently found within liberalism or atheism.
@@Fernando-ek8jp Yeah, I still have no clue how any of that relates to my statement re: liberal atheists being nasty when they find out I'm a fiscal conservative. The whys of there being more liberal atheists are irrelevant. They're nasty about it.
As a conservative atheist, I'm all alone in the world. Oh wait! Maybe not! Hah
In Sweden 2 of the 3 biggest parties are conservative, and atheists are the biggest groups.
No you're not! That's the way I was feeling until I came acrss this vid. Hang in there!
The solution is don't care about being in a group.
I am *proud* to be a constitutional conservative 👍
@@atheistconservative6211 what don't you agree about giving equal rights to homosexuals, women or minorities?
What do you have against abortion specifically?
Jack Daniels you’re the reason people drink Corona.
@@ElDrewEdwards did you have a response to my genuine questions? If you're not intellectual, mature or secure enough to respond then please dont.
@@jackdaniels9179 What rights do homosexuals, women, or minorities not have that everyone else does?
As to abortion, it's murder.
Back when axp was still about atheism 😔
"i dont think it'll go anywhere" aged like fucking milk that one did
Another Conservative Atheist here. Tough life! lol
I am a atheist and conservative
I'm a conservative atheist and have atheist friends. I don't know any atheists that are far left. 90% of my atheist friends are conservative the rest are in the center. Since most republicans / conservatives in the US are blindly religious some won't claim to be conservative because they don't want to be pigeon holed to be religious. And claimed religious people still control the government at least till they get the job.
I'm not claiming that most atheist are conservative or republicans. I would imagine that my case is because I gravitate towards like minded people. Atheism of course only pertains to the once claim of sky daddies exist, so it does make sense that people of all education levels would be atheist to some extent. I think you must understand some different fields of science so therefore I can't understand how they could be extreme left, from there to the middle right I can understand. You must understand enough science to know how the sciences stack up against the claims of religions. But then again, these days, so many students go to college in the middle and come out on the left only because their professors are, with no rational argument for it. I do think that the extreme left and right must reject the sciences to hold their positions.
My fiends opinion fall into disbelief if we talk about politics or when they find out that I am and mostly vote republican. They spout off, "how can you admit you are a republican! I thought you were smart!" Then come with a few idiotic individual republicans politicians views. Which I don't believe is an argument. I am a republican, I just don't think the republicans are doing it right! but I'm working on it.
Yup. That's why I dont call myself conservative. Not to mention I support recreational marijuana legalization. Lol.
I’m an atheist libertarian. One of my main issues with leftism is the fact that leftist like to use command economy or central planning as a main function of the political body and seems to take for granted the individuals importance in society.
It would be interesting what they consider conservative.
I am an agnostic atheist Jewish financial conservative while I am living in The South.
No such thing as right/left. There is more individual liberty, or less. More larger powerful government, or less.
I find that, for the most part, right-leaning Christians are easier to get along with than left-wing atheists. The conservatives are less judgemental and actually have a sense of humor. I actually stopped watching this show because of their heavy push of leftist propaganda.
I found that most atheist channel push leftist propaganda.
I've found that, too. Conservatives in general tolerate disagreement better than the Left does.
That's how we Liberal Atheists feel about Conservative Atheists too..
We feel like we get on more with progressive /Liberal church christians than conservative atheists..
I seriously feel like my ideology is more in line with progressive christians than conservative atheists..
It's weird.
@@theaviationist.5719 Makes sense, that you'd align with left-leaning (i.e., all the mainline) churches instead all those thousands of conservative atheists out there.
But the reason why liberals and those on the left tend to be less tolerant is because your opinions can influence your votes, and votes can affect policy, and if you vote for a politician that causes harm to the nation and other people, its basically your fault for putting them in power in the first place. And liberals don't wanna tolerate the beliefs of people that are harmful, bigoted and ignorant, in the same way that we all will never tolerate the beliefs of white supremacists and will never ever respect them because your beliefs can harm other people by influencing your actions.
One of my favourite quotes is this "For the Triumph of evil to succeed, is for good men to do nothing". By being tolerant of harmful beliefs and never take the measures to stop it, you are allowing it to spread and harm others.
There is DFW Facebook group called Fellowship of Freethought.
I'm left leaning and I've gotten plenty of right wing push back when I try to make some points.
Definitely there are more left than right but there is a healthy concentration of Republican or Libertarians in the group.
Hope this guy checks it out!
been an atheist /conservatives for almost my entire life.
Indeed, for decades Atheism has sadly been intermingled with liberal issues intentionally and cheaply. Have we ever heard a prominent atheist speaker who didn't fall back on the feminist narratives and the like, acting as if religion disproportionately affected women? They ostracized Dawkins so hard for stating biological facts, as a world-renowned biologist, that he had a stroke. They are readily abandoning any scientific facts whenever it conflicts with their ideology. It's hard to be an atheist who isn't rainbow flavored.
First of all, Dawkins absolutely supports trans people, and yes, biologically they are women, but at the same time, gender isn't always male and female, there are people that are born who are intersex. And also according to recent research in psychology, there is a correlation that the brains of trans people function more similarly to the people of the opposite gender than the gender that they were assigned with. So this is more about Psychology rather than genetics. And the opinions of one scientist doesn't encompass the whole of Science. Albert Einstein believed in a static universe, which was a universe where space is not expanding. But he was wrong.
And also, the reason why atheists tend to be more left leaning and liberal is because conservatism has been more associated with religion, and they can see that conservatives tell alot of lies relating to Science such as evolution and climate change. And conservatives tend to hold more bigoted views like Transphobia, Misogyny, Homophobia.
@@TheKnowledgeMan101 First of all, I never said that Dawkins doesn't support them I just said he was ostracized for acknowledging biological facts that didn't appease their feelings. Intersex is not a gender, it is a birth defect. Yes, I know about the brain scans, I agree with that assessment. I also agree that it is psychological, not genetic. I also acknowledge that all the things that they say are untrue, they are merely being said to appease the feelings of people with a severe form of body dysmorphia. American conservatives, European conservatives aren't as antagonistic towards atheism. I disagree with the majority of the arguments of bigotry, all the more so now that intersectionality, CRT, and the like are being preached.
The new atheism movement is a religion itself
@@TheKnowledgeMan101this is what the new atheism movement is now about. Defending trans and left wing ideologies. It has nothing to do with the discussions about god anymore
@@levicarvalho4389 Are you sure about that? Because they still talk about religion alot, I don't know who you're referring to
Perhaps political views just shouldn't be a staple topic of discussion, in order to allow different people in.
I think the best way to look at this is, that disagreement is always welcomed, but the people who look down on you are bad people. You shouldn’t look for people who think like minded as you, but those who are willing to support you as a friend no matter your beliefs. I am an moderate Atheist who thinks both liberals and conservatives just don’t represent me, I have a lot of disagreements, but I know that a true friend always sticks by my side no matter what. So instead of looking at someone from an ideological point of view, just look for a friend.
Between a liberal canadate that says gods law over mans law and a conservative one who says i will keep my religion out of political policy. I will vote for the conservative.
Yes, we are out here. May be more of us that we think.
Honestly, and maybe this is giving people too much of an easy ride, but as soon as someone says they're an atheist, I just instantly respect them. Politics then becomes so much more an engaging, free and meaningful debate. I think a part of it is that, if I know someone is an atheist, I know they care about evidence. There's a certain degree of critical thinking underpinning their arguments and that they're aiming for truth based on evidence, as opposed to faith, as their raison d'être. That's not to say I agree with everyone who is an atheist. I just appreciate atheism as a signal for the kind of logical consistency I'm dealing with. I can be confident they have a reasoned argument for their political position based on evidence and not mere faith. Conservative atheists have been the most challenging and enjoyable company in political debates for me. They have made me think hard on many issues. I have so much respect and time for them.
"I think a part of it is that, if I know someone is an atheist, I know they care about evidence."
This is not entirely true. Atheists do not care about evidence from reason. They are materialists in principle. They are not good with logical arguments.
Atheist for Trump 2020.
Yes 🙌🙌
Dave, I'm an Objectivist. So, I don't believe in gods or Marxism / Leftism.
You might want to see if you are actually an Objectivist and not a conservative. At least then you will have people with consistent beliefs, though a small group.
I'm a Conservative Atheist.
I used to be liberal, but then they changed what liberal was. Now what I'm with isn't liberal, and what's liberal seems weird and scary to me! It will happen to YOU!
atheist libertarian here🤷🏻♂️
Personally I just try to respect people, and I find I can make theist friends. In fact I was even able to a civil(maybe a small bit heated but in a friendly way) debate about religion.
Speaking of atheists being conservative or liberal I think most atheists are liberal or left leaning. The caller is the first conservative atheist I know of. Welcome to the group. I think it would be useful as to why this is so. Perhaps asking atheists if they were liberals before becoming an atheists or if after becoming an atheist, they adopted liberal views. Seems like interesting conversation. Perhaps freeing themselves from restrictive religious views helped them to free themselves from other restrictive social views. Anyway I'd be interested in finding out.
I think the word Conservative is associated with Political Far Right Christians for some reason.
@@PrettyGoodLookin These terms, conservative, liberal, left, right are very fluid and are defined mostly by what the person thinks. I used to think liberal was pretty left leaning but as I have changed my political perspective, I don't think that anymore. Things change. People change.
As far as I’m concerned republican and atheist go hand in hand because facts don’t care about your feelings.
Yes this. Perfectly worded. Progressives are all about feelings and I just don’t get it.
Yeah but facts sometimes favours the left, like the American Psychological Association saying that homosexuality is not an illness with Sigmund Freud even agreeing to that as well and is considered natural because homosexuality exists in other species of animals like Gorillas and other animals, and since evolution links us all together, then that means that homosexuality is supported by Science
@@cynicalsayonara7169 Evidence?
@@Moszan Progressives do what feels good and not what actually does good. I could make a list for you, but that seems like a lot of work for a UA-cam comment.
An interesting conversation. An aspect I had not considered. 🤔
I am culturally conservative but theologically a heathen.
Yes, start your own group for conservative Atheist
I am an atheist libertarian. Maybe there are more of us than what we think.
There are many atheist libertarians
I'm a conservative atheist as well.
That dude on the left looks wicked uncomfortable lol
I’m a lifelong atheist who is disgusted with the modern iteration of the Democratic Party
I’ve given up on the entire power structure of our country
I'm an atheist libertarian.
The thing is we, in general, must be open to both of the proposals of the left and the right and/or liberal and conservative and then analyse and reason out which is what we can determine is better...
I’m a young atheist conservative republican
I feel you pain! Try finding a conservative, atheist girlfriend and they add that you'd prefer they are bisexual, and don't want a pet and are not into sports wow, talk about narrowing the field. Hey, those sex robots are looking better all the time.
Its weird to watch this in a post Roe America.
so, does the atheist community still accepts conservatives?
Of course we do, Atheism just means we don't believe in God or any supernatural nonsense, it doesn't matter whether your conservative or liberal, you still belong in the same group as us
They are conflating conservative with religious oppression.
I am an agnostic atheist conservative
I belong to a Agnostic on-line group where probably 1/4 of the 'active' members are Conservative, and we (the conservative ones) get treated with such hatred and disdain, it is almost comical. They call us "Oxymorons", and Rethuglicans, etc.. We've learned to let the childish banter roll off our backs and just try to engage in meaningful debate. But a lot of them can't do that (because they just don't have a viable leg to stand on) and they resort to the name calling (racist, bigot, etc).. Very sad really. Funny how Liberals claim to be the group representing acceptance and love for everyone, but turns out it's only if you agree with everything they feel about most anything,, specially politics. 😞
Because they are immature adults.
Right leaning Atheists now have their own groups (like Republican Atheists and Atheists for Liberty), though they are small and few.
I think familiarity with Atheists will soften conservative Christians' view of Atheists.
I am a liberal atheist, but I think it’s appalling that someone would be kicked out of any discussion group for raising a legitimate concern. Hell, even a terrible comment, if it’s introduced as a legitimate concern, is worth discussing. As liberal as I am, I can find common ground on fiscal issues and/or the role of government in people’s’ lives. The only thing I cannot agree with is religious social policy, once that’s off the table, we should all be able to have a discussion. On behalf of liberal atheists everywhere, we are sorry and many of us are better than that.
The problem is that "conservative" (and liberal) has a different definition to everyone... is it about fiscal policy, social issues, etc??? .... the goal should be about having beliefs that one can defend with logic and reason... not the label put on those beliefs..
Exactly !
I'm a conservative atheist that hates trump. I find the circle of people that have my same political and religious afiliation to be very small. That includes my wife (liberal atheist)
What don't you agree with regarding homosexual, women's or minority rights?
I’m also a conservative atheist. I think that the left tends to look at our grandparents and great grandparents and think that because they were wrong about some things that they must be wrong about ALL things so let’s totally do away with tradition. I think it’s a mistake that will cost our society dearly in the long run. I also think that there are good arguments made on both sides of the second amendment debate but I tend to lean right on that and on the abortion debate which I don’t know what my stance is on that really. . Now when it comes to LGBTQ rights I lean left and when it comes to immigration I lean left. I also think that sex work and drugs should be decriminalized. As you can imagine these views and values make it difficult for me to find friends that see eye to eye with me but I try to tackle each individual issue with logic and reason instead of just going with whatever the liberal or conservative consensus is. I also can’t get on board with the current level of anti patriotism on the left such claiming that the American flag is a symbol of racism etc. no country is perfect but I love my country and what it stands for (freedom, liberty, the pursuit of happiness, E Pluribus Unum!)
As a liberal, I would cut Dave some slack for sure.
There are plenty of Christians in the democrat party. And by party, I mean the average person, not the people in Congress or the Senate.
And it’s ok to be conservative and atheist. We don’t need religion to have basic morals.
I call myself "conservative" because I'm against big government interfering in individual's lives. I believe in people living their lives as they see fit. I'm pro LGBT, pro 2A, pro legalization of marijuana, ECT. I'm against theocratic government, any forms of Marxism-Leninism, Maoism, ECT.
Same, but I'm for a government thats not too big, but not too small either because as James Madison once said "If men were angels then no government would be necessary" we still need the government to keep law and order, to feed us, to make our lives better, to protect us from our enemies, domestic or foreign and they can't do that if they don't have enough power to keep chaos at bay. But they shouldn't have too much power because absolute power completely corrupts.
@@TheKnowledgeMan101 you're correct, except I disagree with a couple of things. It's the farmers job to feed the population. I don't feel comfortable with government taking control of food production. The old Soviet Union did for example and it didn't work well.
@@ls-420stoner6 What about in Britain? The Ministry of Food and DEFRA controls all the food being produced and distributed in the UK, and look at them now, in fact, the system that the Ministry of Food has created is so effective, that even during WW2 when the Department was created, a majority of the British population was well fed. So why not follow their example?
@@TheKnowledgeMan101 in that case I see no reason not to. I believe government should exist for the reasons you mentioned. However, what concerns me is it getting too big, power hungry, and out of control of the citizens.
@@ls-420stoner6 Yeah, we should learn how to balance our Freedoms with Our Responsibilities as human beings and care for others. Governments shouldn't be getting too much power, but at the same time, that doesn't we are free to do whatever we want to the point that its putting other people in danger, we need to care for others too, which is one of the reasons why I support free healthcare, free education and create social programs to help the poor and our fellow man
More power to conservative atheist ⚛️
Libertarians my brother
Chris Martinez libertarianism is utopianist globalism imo, i think there's a massive difference between conservatives and libertarians
@@Forestgravy90 never have I seen Libertarianism compared with globalism. That's a trait of the left. We are hard right. The utopian I can see. That's why this country needs a good mix of conservatism and libertarianism.
Chris Martinez you're talking about a nationalistic free market system, to keep it nationally viable it requires state control to a degree, hence with Poland and Hungary. Read the Cato or Mises institutes and you'll know they are all hyper-globalist
@@Forestgravy90 maybe I should read it again. I just don't see how Nationalism equals globalism.
Secular humanism is just like any other religion curiously
If you want to make friends, get rid of your backwards, anti-social political ideology. Why would you try and find community among people who are united under the cause of creating a better world when your ideology is inherently pro-status quo? I'm not trying to be rude - you're at the wrong table.
Neo-Liberalism IS the status quo.
I am not a joiner. I do not like belonging to clubs or groups. The ONLY reason I would join a club is to try to meet women. I do not go to bars. So, it would make sense for me to join a group where I could meet women that at least would share the same interest(s) the group represents. I have no need to co-mingle with men. It is so damned easy to accidently co-mingle with men because they are everywhere doing anything and everything anyone would even accidently show up. You can't seem to get away from men, as much as I would love to. They are overbearing and pervasive through all society.
See but her last statement,...
Your saying that your view of religious people would make your vote biases...
We are atheists. We believe in intent.
Religious people are just oblivious. I honestly believe your average religious person does not have malicious intent..
did Tracy get younger??
First time watching this channel but I really don't think these 2 get where Dave is coming from...
Also, saying "I wouldn't vote for anyone who would put their religion into their politics" is putting your religion into your politics.
Conservative atheist ⚛
Omg I really think problem hére is people confuse Being rigth wing with being conservative. Not all Right wings aré conservative, so people that like right wing because of económics thoughts doesnt mean you aré a conservative automatically is just That your views on economics are right wing thats all. Im not a conservative but conservatism is reallly attached to religious Belief because beign conservative is about to stick to tradiltional valúes wich inherently are attached to ancient sacred thoughts. However still atheist And conservative can be right wing at the same time.
This aged like milk lol, in general conservatives have aligned themselves with Christianity and some even proclaim they are proud Christian nationalists.
I'm young and not conservative but I do remember a time when I wouldn't even mind dating a conservative the line wasn't drawn so sharp. But nowadays with a lot of conservatives trying to deny basic human rights I just can't
What rights are they trying to deny exactly?
@The Big One
Abortion access
Even in cases of rape/incest/high risk pregnancies(cited by religious values usually)
Some states are actively trying to ban gay marriage (cited by religious values)
Banning drag queens as a whole in some states.
Restrictive voting bills (as opposed to expanding voting to make sure its secure and accessible)
Gerrymandering (not only done by repubs but majority are)
Banning trans ppl from transitioning (not just children)
Reinstating Jim crow laws in Mississippi
Many Republicans openly identify as Christian nationalists and/or are politicians and actively make Christian nationalist statements or actually try to put into place laws citing the bible as the reason.
Almost daily many Republicans politicians are either outed as racists, homphobes etc. Or even openly make these type of statements.
Edit: I'd also like to point out this isn't an issue only on the republican side but conservatives repubs are the heavy majority with these types of issues and in many cases are open about it to the point where it can be a large part of their campaign.
@CajunKing We can debate abortion all day but aside from that Republicans are restricting way more rights than that. (Reference my last comment)
@@flwrpwr5351Abortion isn't a right, but I agree that there should be access to it. I disagree with the way the left views the issue and the rights all or nothing stance as well. I see it as an emergency issue that should be used as a last resort.
@thebigone3437 totally valid opinion, I wouldn't consider myself on the left but majority of my views line up closer to the left. I like the fact that you can take yourself out of the context of parties to make a decision. I actually agree I don't think abortion should be used as frivolous as the left says especially considering its not a small procedure it can mess a person up. But also I fully think that solid abortion care is fully nessesary for most average income people considering married couples can't even buy houses anymore and the cost of everything is already unimaginable.
Good clip and I agree with the caller. I am a Libertarian apostate. Where I differ from liberal atheists is in two major issues.
1. Fiscal responsibility
2. Personal accountability
Most liberals want to raise taxes. I believe in lowering taxes and letting people make their own choice with their money. I do not believe private citizens should have their money stolen to fund frivolous government projects. There is so much pork to cut out of the budget and if our politicians did so then lowering taxes would be easy. Both sides choose not to do so..Democrats are just more guilty of this than the GOP.
Personal accountability. The atheist community likes to point of fingers when it comes to personal accountability. We will grow when all of us point the finger to ourselves. Ultimately we are all 100% accountable for our own actions. Personal freedom is paramount.
Let me provide an example. Third party liability laws. The left would say that if a man goes into a bar and gets drunk then proceeds to leave the bar and hits a family driving home and they are killed that the bar can be held liable in a criminal and/or civil court. True conservatism would not allow this..but rather solely hold the responsible party which is the drunk man accountable only. This is personal accountability.
Second example. Medical care. Most of the health problems in America are caused by a poor diet. Evidence of this is that heart disease kills more people than anything else in the US. What causes heart disease? Partly genetics but largely poor dietary choices. Poor genetics can mostly be overcome with better food choices. Conservatives don't support medicare for all simply because we don't feel that our tax money should go to fund peoples poor choices. This goes back to personal accountability.
Personally I am pro choice. But I do not support tax payer money funding abortions and believe that the abortion should come 100% out of the pocket of the patient unless its a medical emergency. Elective abortions should be paid 100% out of pocket. Naturally this would lower the number of abortions which should be the goal of both sides. True conservatism supports someone being their true self and supports the trans community. That being said...surgery should be paid 100% out of pocket and never covered by insurance. Of course if the patient chooses therapy and medication over the surgery both should be covered by insurance. If living your best life is completely transitioning then go out and make it happen. Work two jobs. Take up Uber eats on the weekend. Make it happen.
I could go on and on. But the main difference in the two camps comes down to personal accountability. Removing God from money and prayer from school is of no interest to us because both of these issues are largely irrelevant. Focus on what matters which is where I fear most atheist activists drop the ball.
I grew up in Phoenix in the 80s… Skinheads were everywhere
I’m pretty sure skinheads are about as conservative as you get… also, pretty sure they’re all atheists… atheism doesn’t have rules ,save for not believing in God
It seems like most conservatives get their politics from the bible so an atheist conservative seems odd.
@DarkGenesis so true.
Not true. Do a bit of research. Could it be that an atheist conservative seems odd to you simply because most atheists dance to a leftist drummer?
@@MrRezillo You yourself just said that most atheists are leftists.
@@darkgenesis611 Your point?
@@darkgenesis611 Your point?
I'm a conservative non believer that dont believe in God but @ the same time I have some conservative views where I know that being a thot (in other words hoe) is not socially acceptable 4 any female 2 do that & 2 stay at home with the kids till 18 & can make a decision whether 2 go back 2 work or never & I like homeschooling children more cuz it'll teach them how 2 think & another thing I wanna add is that I dont agree with abortion willy nilly only 4 instance of rape but that's it not doing abortions 4 no reason but that's just my take & my opinion on some of my conversation views
I totally understand. Conservatism has been overtaken by theocracy.
I don't think so. A lot of conservatives are open theists, but atheism is growing in the movement. Those that want a theocracy are a minority.
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