@Jeff Boldgloom: Exactamento! Can’t blame him though; the top theistic mouthpieces, in the final analysis, can offer no better... merely assumptions and faith. “Heaven is a well known FACT.” !!!! ??? ## • Aha ha ha ha ha.... I’ve lately begun to wonder. Is the world a safer place with mainstream religion? Would Mike the caller, (with no sense of morals without his book; as most christians clueless to the implications when they assert that atheists cannot possibly have any morality,) not be able to curb his free will and commit immoral and harmful acts against mankind? Religion can make good people do bad things but, without religion, would there be more bad people doing bad things? ...wondering...
James Town I really don’t think there are very many “bad people” and the ones that are “bad” are that way because of an abnormality in their brain or mind. Religious people that do harm are at least generally trying to do what they think is right even if they are mistaken. I think people generally bring their own morality to the Bible and then find passages to justify it as opposed to the other way around.
It is disturbing to listen to these callers exhibit that so many of them don’t understand how to apply logic or critical thinking. People are so clueless about how to think it amazes me that these folks can operate in the world.
They are clueless because they been indoctrinated by parents families friends community and society. If you been indoctrinated by so many institutions it’s virtually impossible to reason rational.
F.I let’s say you’re a baby and all what babies do is trying to learn what this world is all about. It starts very early. But yet your parents deprive you of really. As you grow up you start to question things. That’s a normal thing to do. As you question things your parents say do not question it cuz it’s god will. Children tend to believe their parents. If this type of indoctrination takes place when your young and goes on a significant amount of time in your life you as a child will no longer have that natural ability to question and learn about the world around you.
No wonder opinions have become the new "facts" in this country. Everyone is an expert so get rid of those with actual knowledge since we can create our own reality.
Has there ever been a logically sound argument made by any theist on this show or ever. No, Nada, zilch, never, hell no, fuck no, hell to the fuck no, ummm nah. Is be shocked if I actually ever heard one. My husband would say that would be like seeing a unicorn shitting skittles.
The problem with this guy is that he wants all this supernatural voodoo to be true, whenever he is presented with a rational explanation he immediately defends his particular mumbo-jumbo. Like all religious people he isn't following the evidence, he is leading it, trying to get it to back up his views.
They try to "rationalize" their belief to make it sound like more "Logical" and less strident, axiomatic and virulent. They want their "myth" and "math" too.
Are you one of them Galileopologists? Ifyou build a tower outta pizza, it's gonna tilt. duh. The pope was entirely justified in personally deocculizing GG with a knitting needle. That tower was expensive. And what POSSIBLEuse are we gonna find for it now?
@@brucebaker810 This is impossible (Matthew 19:26) Nothing is impossible (Matthew 17:20). But you must not think there is a contradiction. That's naughty.
@@mikeyseo Sorry, are you claiming to be able to demonstrate that you have the capability to know anything after rejecting the entire foundation of rationality to make room for your imaginary friend?
@@mikeyseo wow..... you asking someone else if they are too stupid to answer a question, after what you have written here, is almost too hysterical to believe!!! Please, provide 1 scrap of evidence for any god, we are all still waiting....
@@mikeyseo You haven't even defined what you mean by "god". I'm sure the only reason you're asking is so you can play games with semantics to "prove" your god. Well, I'm not interested in playing. Give me a god claim and I will evaluate it accordingly. Re: Sye, that was a typo and its fixed now. I was replying to another theist who is using tactics similar to yours on a video about Sye Ten Bruggencate, a nutty Christian apologist who rejects the very foundation of reason. You'd probably love his "work".
@@mikeyseo In that case, I reject your claim. I have no rational reason to accept the existence of the supernatural. I also have no reason to believe the universe was created. Demonstrate the supernatural and provide an example of another universe created by such a being and we'll talk.
Unfortunately, this has nothing to do with home schooling, or having evangelical type parents. All it takes is going to church services. Maybe once, maybe 52 times in a year, maybe over several years or a lifetime. If you listen to someone preaching or teaching you, and they are presenting the material as important and as truth, all it takes is that “click” that occurs in your mind, in your emotions, that hooks into your hopes and your fears, and you will begin to seek out information that confirms those hopes and fears. Even intelligent people will give over to that thing that seems important, and that drives your hopes and fears.
I wish people would ask "why do you accept personal experiences when they are your own but not when they are someone else's?" If you think THEY could be misguided why dont you think YOU can be misguided?
@@mikeyseo ....so in a nutshell people shouldn't disbelieve due to a lack of evidence, they should have faith it's true, even though faith is belief in the absence of of justified evidence, because The Bible says you should have faith and you have faith The Bible is correct about faith. Gotcha. Yeah, I think i'll stick with being a "liar".
So we have a caller who already knows the truth of Christianity and is asking a couple of atheists about the truth. He's calling the wrong show. They don't think it's true ! Obviously.
I died twice in one day in hospital a couple of decades ago, and i have recollections of being in an underground tube train staton, and tube trains going past[ When I lived in London in the 80s I hated going on tube trains, in fact I hate living in any cities from more than a couple of weeks] in the 10 days I was very unwell in hospital I had lots of weird experiences I assume connected to my body and mind being in distress and the medications I had pumped into veins in both arms and tubes into my stomach! Great doctors and modern medicine saved my life! ;●)
“All the Christians around me believe it’s true, so ....” Also, “I believe in heaven because of a personal experience but I don’t want to talk about it.”
One time when I was driving, I saw an unidentified object in my right side door window. It was moving extremely fast, back and forth, much faster than any man-made machine. The road was winding and the sun was low down at my left. When the road straightened, it stopped moving. I then realised it was a reflection of the sun.
You know it occurs to me that a lot of people use the words "faith" and "belief" when what they really mean is "hope." They "hope" there is an after life where they can see their mom again. They "hope" there is an all good, merciful God keeping score and prepared to reward the just and punish the wicked. They hope. They don't believe there is a God to hear their prayers, they hope there is.
This guys opinion basically boils down to "If something is unfalsifiable, It's true.." So now imagine a world where the majority of people think this way. Now stop imagining, because this IS OUR REALITY.
People want to believe that they are on some kind of spiritual journey seeking truth when in reality most are on a journey looking for something that is emotionally appealing to them and to fcherry pick anything they can possibly claim backs up their belief.
I just want to believe cuz it makes me feel all warm and cozy like I'm walking around with a mug of hot cocoa with tiny marshmallows and nobody can hurt me, where's my blankie?
~ Clearly: none of these callers have even had experience as basic as a high school debate team. It is incredible how so many guys are willing to come on this show so totally unprepared. Cheers, DAVEDJ ~
@@mikeyseo Question: Why do you have baby videos and cringe compilations in your "fuck atheists" Playlist? Those videos probably don't fit in that category. Also you have a "fuck atheists" playlist, it sounds like you might have too much emotional investment in this topic to truly be objective about it.
Mull M it’s also really easy to lie and say you believe when you don’t. I’m sure there are lots of guys lying about being a believer to get some good lovin’
"The most ridiculous concept ever perpetrated by H.Sapiens is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of his creations, that he can be persuaded by their prayers, and becomes petulant if he does not receive this flattery. Yet this ridiculous notion, without one real shred of evidence to bolster it, has gone on to found one of the oldest, largest and least productive industries in history."
Despite the fact that this caller was clearly confused and twisted around on some things, I get the feeling that he was trying to be honest and genuinely was interested in discussing and working through his thoughts, and that's all that matters in the end for me
Mike & Tracie: God's not real; God's not real; God's not real. Callers: Yes he is, yes he is, yes he is. Mike & Tracie: Prove it. Callers: Yes he is, yes he is, yes he is.
I've had a near-death experience. You feel an overwhelming sense of peace and satisfaction and joy. The only thing I could liken it to was being hugged and protected by my mother when I was very young - something I hadn't experienced in decades. You see a brightening white light (like coming out of a long dark tunnel). You lose your sense of identity and 'see' yourself (consciousness-wise) from the 'outside'. If you are religious I can understand perfectly why you might consider it being 'perfectly loved' by god/Jesus/etc. Or that you're floating away to heaven/a different dimension. It just seems to be the natural result of a brain in the process of shutting down. Pretty much everyone seems to have this experience (or similar) when they are dying. There is no reason to think there is anything supernatural behind it or about it. And in case anyone's afraid of dying - don't be. It's quite pleasant. Like going to sleep but way more peaceful and fulfilling. Of course I'd rather live but the process of dying isn't anything to be afraid of. We all live forever through the impact (however small) we had on the cosmos in our tiny slice of time.
Christianity is quite an easy religion. All you have to do is spend an hour once a week in a cold building listening to the same story that you heard before, sing one or two simple songs that you've sung before, mumble in the same way as the other five people, then give a small donation to keep it going. Brilliant !
I have had three separate experiences with unexplained phenomena (two happened in the same building) and I didn't need to run to religion to try to get answers. They were unexplained phenomena.
I had an experience recently. It ran out of petrol, even though the gauge indicated there was plenty of petrol Perhaps the Devil interfered with the engine. He could do that, just to annoy me, Until someone can prove the Devil doesn't exist, I'm going with that explanation.
tedgrant2 I had that experience with a hire car that run out if petrol going to a wedding, the gauge was stuck. Not funny or supernatural, but very annoying at the time
It wouldn't take but one universe-creating pixie to push on the gauge needle. And Occam's Razor makes that "lower supposition" more likely than the whole Eternal Good vs Evil Archetypes Battling Thru Time scenario.
It is clear from many verses in the Bible that Heaven is just another word for sky. For example, in Matthew 14:19 Jesus looks up to Heaven. If that doesnt convince you read Acts chapter one verses 9 to 11... Jesus was actually seen going up to Heaven and he disappeared into a cloud !
@@tedgrant2 Another bullshit argument trying to define things into existence. "Heaven is the sky, the sky exists, therefore heaven exists" That's completely fallacious.
I had a chemical heart stressor for my exam - no treadmill. I passed out and when I came to, they were getting ready to hit me with the paddles. My heart rate had dropped below 10bpm and BP was around 50. I had a dream about the hot nurse while I was out. She actually called me back. I'm so happy the dream was not about Mother Mary or a bunch of old Saints or something.
The first rule of Bigfoot club is we don't talk about big foot club! The second rule of bigfoot club is you squat with your back to a tree trunk while searching for Bigfoot (big foot is kinda rapey)
I have had vivid dreams all my life. I have also often had sleep paralysis, with realistic hallucinations. Luckily, when teenage me confided in my Mom, she explained that this was a natural trick of the brain. I moved to Jerusalem on a language study program in my early 20's. Jet-lagged, dealing with trauma, I thought I was levitating one night while weird techno music played. Almost to the ceiling. I still remember the song, not a song I have ever heard. I could have attributed that to spirits demons, or aliens, but I did not, because I understood it as a sometimes-nifty sometimes-horrible quirk of the interesting meat in my skull. I'd love to understand it better.
The U.S. military came up with the phrase U.F.O. to mean unidentified flying object. It doesn't mean alien. But over the decades U.F.O has come to mean alien. To the U.S. government U.F.O. can mean: An unknown enemy plane A weather balloon A top secret U.S. plane Time traveler An alien space craft A drone
Yes, it can be Anything provided it's An object Unidentified Flying. The set of all UFOS is very large ranging from some thing that struck me in the face while I out walking last night to a piece of debris blowing off the local landfill.
There are some truths in the Harry Potter books, too.😂 It seems that religious apologists must keep a list of logical fallacies handy so they don't miss any of them.😏
15:20 " Well, you say facts right? But these aren't facts, they're specific claims about heaven" 15:56 " But it's a pretty well known fact that heaven exists" SMH..................
To be a Christian, involves three principles. You have to believe that the father of Jesus was the god of the Hebrews, you have to believe we have the right to carry guns and you have to give money to the church. (But you can safely ignore everything that Jesus said).
Typing this prior to listening to this whole clip but….I have been taking a tally on the most common words said by “CHRISTIANS” when they are tap dancing and I have concluded that the word “WELL” is the most common used word among them while they dig their own graves😂
This guy should sit down and have a conversation with a paranoid schizophrenic. My Mother had a lot delusions and hallucinations and once explained to me that she KNOWS they weren’t possible but still felt as real to her as me sitting there with her.
This guy may have experienced an OBE, or Lucid Dream. Sometimes termed Astral Projection. I've experienced this hundreds of times between age 22 and 63. I've studied it at some length also. Lots of information online. The author Dennis Wheatley (long since fallen out of fashion) based one of his novels on it. It's no more evidence for Jesus/Christianity than it is for any other man-invented religion. It could be a function of the brain, but it's effing trippy...no question! ps: Jesus was not in evidence. (I think I was inhabiting one of the lower astral planes)
My NDE was disappointing- aside from coming back :). I experienced non of the illusory visions that others claimed to see. At its depth my experience was a decreasing level of energy with out information. Thats the best I can do as a description.
I'm glad they're not still shooting, using the mic set up we see here. Albeit minor, the room reverb is irritating. Glad they aren't doing that anymore. Yay.
They did not correct him when he claimed most scientists believe in heaven - which is why he clung to his claim that you need to know the science to have an informed belief. I assume he has been on Christian websites claiming that most scientists believe in heaven.
Apparently the procces of death, and even leading up to death, has shown us that we often start to 'trip' far earlier than was realised. The day before my mother died she was starting to behave strangely, as if she were on drugs, and in effect, she was. The dying process had started, her brain was beginning to release all kinds of natural chemical transmitters, she was starting the final 'trip' the brain has nothing left to lose when death is certain, and as a final farewell it goes completely haywire, which is probably just as well for our last moments, but in near death experiences (that are comparatively rare) we have our brain back to normal function trying to make sense of the highly traumatic thing that has happened to it, I have every sympathy for people who have went through this , which is a thing I hope never to happen to me, but people who have dropped hallucinagenics would probably understand this experience a litte better, but one day, we all have to experience this in one way or another.
"I want to believe because then I can be forgiven more quickly for my thought crimes by my imaginary friend -- who by the way also exists only in my head. I'm just sparing myself sweat-time in the possible eventuality of somethingness that I can't explain and yet won't admit is possibly delusional. I had a so-called supernatural experience that other gullible people have also claimed to have had, and where else am I going to find like-minded gullibility?"
There isn't a single religion that would be duplicated by a civilization that evolved in a complete societal and historical vacuum. That civilization would, by nature of the human psyche, create new religions, but our extant religions would become extinct.
When Mike starts galloping away from explaining himself, he’s literally putting a force field between himself and rationality. Dude has been indoctrinated OR he’s terrified of acknowledging that he may just be making this stuff up. Scary stuff.
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that all arguments for a God's existence, including those by highly educated apologists, come down to the same thing: "It's a mystery, therefore God." Is it really that painful just to say, "I don't know"?
It makes sense. Christians usually don't want other christians to watch this show. They ofcourse cannot prevent it, but they can try to put christian ads on the videos of this show to try to prevent christians from losing their faith. In a way it's an admission that this show actually is able to make people lose their faith.
I kinda get it: 1. Religion is a wide and vague topic. 2. Atheists are presumably Christian advertising's target audience. There's no point in advertising to people who already buy your product. Ironically, if theists really understood 'how' to advertise/sell/demonstrate their religion to atheists, they would probably be atheist.
@David ClingingSince we don't understand everything about reality, let's say outside of reality as we understand it. Then you don't have to assume it doesn't exist. It could be that you don't know how to verify it's existence.
@David Clinging Are you saying that if a person does not have the ability to understand something then that person should assume that that thing doesn't exist?
@David Clinging I do agree with that. But having zero position is not the same as saying or assuming it doesn't exist as you previously stated. Zero position is actually saying "I don't know" Also, my position was not that it's beyond ANY POSSIBLE comprehension. If that were the case it would be absurd.
In law enforcement you can have several witnesses who have conflicting memories of what they saw. Like out of five observations such as the color of a car where you are given four different colors. (so you go with majority of two, logically)
I’m from San Jose! Incidentally, growing up, almost everyone I knew was an atheist. I mean...it’s not like we discussed the notion of a god much, but the times it did come up was more from a joke told which would make it clear that no one around believed in one. And they didn’t have bad experiences with religion. For instance, my church was a Methodist, friendly, congregation that as far as I can remember, never discussed hell/consequences ; I just....after a certain age....realized there was no evidence,therefore couldn’t control no longer believing.
They are fine with that, they are okay with both sides claiming ignorance. It allows them to cling to their religion with the excuse that both sides could be wrong
@@hellohandsome9875 No, there are varying levels of oxygen deprivation. I have friends who suffer from hypoxia when they ski the Rockies at 14,000 feet. It’s not near death as in ‘near death experiences’ that are entirely physical reactions with no supernatural implications at all. I’ve experienced hypoxia at NASA and I had a feeling of elation. That’s what people who claim to have near death experiences say they have. But the elation isn’t a god or being beamed to a supernatural place. It’s 100% a physical reaction to oxygen depravation.
@@MovieMakingMan I'm a life long atheist, never believed, but I had an allergic reaction last year, my whole body itching, my vision went haywire, I lost consciousness and woke lying on the kitchen floor with my legs sticking the the open door to the garden that I'd tried to reach to get some air,,,, by then, my breathing was reduced to tiny gasps,,, I didn't have an out of body experience or see a god that isn't there, but I knew another couple of minutes and I would've been dead,,,, silly thing is, I was OK with it, no panic, no fear, just acceptance
@@hellohandsome9875 I’m glad you made it ok! Did you ever find out why you had an allergic reaction? I had Covid last sept (21) and my oxygen levels went really low if I did anything. It can produce a lot of anxiety. Glad you’re ok!
@@MovieMakingMan I'm glad I made it too! Reactions started early January last year, had an appointment for 9th of this month at local hospital, but it's been changed to a telephone appointment, but hopefully I'll get a face to face soon after. I've been prescribed Loratadine tablets, but I also have over the counter that I take if I feel a bit iffy about a meal,,, had a couple of lesser reactions and I keep a note of what I've eaten,,,, covid is scary for me cos I have chronic bronchitis, so my breathing is a bit poor anyway,,,, glad you beat it tho, hope it never comes your way again
I'm on board with Tracy and Matt's scepticism, but there is one thing they shouldn't say is that near death experiences have been debunked!! Because that's a fallacy like Matt likes to use!! Ndes are hard to study and Just because an nde,er doesn't necessarily see those nrs they placed on top of a cupboard or whatever, means nothing!! I'd like to send Matt into my living room for 5 minutes and see if he can tell me exactly what is in my living room. Doesn't mean Matt wasn't in my living room just because he missed my vase that was placed on my table now does it??? Professionals that study the nde phenomenon has not prescribed it to a dying brain or halucinations, and it's really dishonest for them to say so.
Nobody really knows why they believe, although they might list a few reasons. If someone shows that these reasons don't fly, it won't make any difference. They'll still believe. Similarly, nobody knows why they don't believe. Some people don't like ice cream. I don't know why.
My dog doesn't know what caused the Big Bang and he doesn't know how life started. He doesn't pray. He doesn't go to Church and he doesn't donate. We are very much alike.
@@tedgrant2 effectively we do not know what dogs or any other animals for that matter thinks or knows,we have an idea of their behaviours but that is about it,thats all.
"you guys aren't scientists" well, most scientists are atheist, so if he wants to go down that road, he's still wrong. It's almost like the reasons that cite for god are rejected by experts in that field.
The majority of people on Earth aren’t Christian (you only need to combine the atheists and muslims and already you have a larger population. This guy really need to listen back to this call but even more so, he reeeeeeally needs to discuss this outside of his echo chamber of a social circle more.
I periodically have an experience! One second I am in my everyday routine and then I am on the flight line smelling the plane fuel, it is real, hearing the c130 engine idling, it is absolutely real, feeling the cool breeze, so cold, seeing the injured vets straight from the battlefields of Nam, very real, I don't believe I have ever tasted anything. But it is real, I am there! And when I come too I have an overwhelming dread and fear!! I will always believe it was real even tho I am perfectly well aware I was not there, people tell me I did not move only my eyes glaze over! It is called a flashback a variant of near death or out of body. It is very real, do not try to tell me it was not real! What really happened? The only logical explanation is "I don't know"!
I would be interested in knowing how many people who have NDE’s are convinced of a supernatural realm by the experience. I know lots of people who have had intense experiences on psychedelics and I don’t think any of them have attributed the hallucinations to anything supernatural, but in both states the experience is brought on by a decrease in activity in the default mode network of the brain which is the general “filter” for the brain and is related to the “ego” or sense of self.
"We can't test to see if heaven exists"
1 minute later
"Heaven is a well known fact"
Sounds like torture. Living for eternity. Heaven sounds like hell. Hopefully, since I don't believe in either, I can just cease.
@Jeff Boldgloom:
Exactamento!
Can’t blame him though; the top theistic mouthpieces, in the final analysis, can offer no better...
merely
assumptions and faith.
“Heaven is a well known FACT.”
!!!! ??? ## • Aha ha ha ha ha....
I’ve lately begun to wonder. Is the world a safer place with mainstream religion?
Would Mike the caller, (with no sense of morals without his book; as most christians clueless to the implications when they assert that atheists cannot possibly have any morality,) not be able to curb his free will and commit immoral and harmful acts against mankind?
Religion can make good people do bad things
but,
without religion, would there be more bad people doing bad things?
...wondering...
James Town I really don’t think there are very many “bad people” and the ones that are “bad” are that way because of an abnormality in their brain or mind. Religious people that do harm are at least generally trying to do what they think is right even if they are mistaken. I think people generally bring their own morality to the Bible and then find passages to justify it as opposed to the other way around.
YES ! ,,,,,,,,,,,@Hillary's emails to Lorne
@Ben de ruyter Like kellyanne CONjobs ALTERNATIVE facts ? .................
If a million people believe an absurd claim, it is still an absurd claim.
I had an operation recently and on the way into the theatre, I thought the nurse was Whoopi Goldberg. She agreed. It must be true
You kinda look like Sean Lowe
Well, you were on the way to the theatre and not an operating room. Whoopi is an actress, so it makes total sense ;)
@RiggityRiggityWrecktSonn Noiccce wordplay. 👌👏
"I believe because of my personal experience, and I had my personal experience because I believe." - can't make this up
It is disturbing to listen to these callers exhibit that so many of them don’t understand how to apply logic or critical thinking. People are so clueless about how to think it amazes me that these folks can operate in the world.
They are clueless because they been indoctrinated by parents families friends community and society.
If you been indoctrinated by so many institutions it’s virtually impossible to reason rational.
F.I let’s say you’re a baby and all what babies do is trying to learn what this world is all about.
It starts very early. But yet your parents deprive you of really. As you grow up you start to question things. That’s a normal thing to do. As you question things your parents say do not question it cuz it’s god will. Children tend to believe their parents. If this type of indoctrination takes place when your young and goes on a significant amount of time in your life you as a child will no longer have that natural ability to question and learn about the world around you.
No wonder opinions have become the new "facts" in this country. Everyone is an expert so get rid of those with actual knowledge since we can create our own reality.
That America for you! Whole sale numbnuts
@@johnthijm5113nah, they are Americans and dumb as dirt
"I can't explain this.....so I decided to explain it with this thing that says it explains whatever can't be explained."
PURE INSANITY
This is the actual level of logical reasoning some religious people put into their belief in god
ALL religiolus people .....................@@dennisjordan5917
Maybe BOTH ...........................@The Skeptic Philosopher
Does the thing that explains all the things that don't explain themselves explain itself?
@@mrcombustiblelemon2902
Now explain that to me. 🤣
i did not know
being a theist make you a great tap dancer
Also a gymnast
All those
But most importantly, a bullshit artist
Oh it does ! the kind that would make even Fred Astaire green with envy
Distract, avoid, duck, evade, ignore, Gish gallop..... they do it all.
Some even practice Riverdance. They are usually the advanced ones.
Has there ever been a logically sound argument made by any theist on this show or ever?? I legitimately want to hear one
On this show? No. In the entirety of human existence? Also no.
@@ummmno3871that was perfect 😂👏🏻…and true 🥳🫶🏻
Has there ever been a logically sound argument made by any theist on this show or ever.
No, Nada, zilch, never, hell no, fuck no, hell to the fuck no, ummm nah.
Is be shocked if I actually ever heard one.
My husband would say that would be like seeing a unicorn shitting skittles.
" I had an experience which lead me to want these answers"
YEPPPPP WE KNOW
The problem with this guy is that he wants all this supernatural voodoo to be true, whenever he is presented with a rational explanation he immediately defends his particular mumbo-jumbo.
Like all religious people he isn't following the evidence, he is leading it, trying to get it to back up his views.
They try to "rationalize" their belief to make it sound like more "Logical" and less strident, axiomatic and virulent. They want their "myth" and "math" too.
I dropped a pen and it fell on the floor.
I don't understand why that happened
I conclude that it is supernatural.
Therefore the Bible is true.
Are you one of them Galileopologists?
Ifyou build a tower outta pizza, it's gonna tilt. duh.
The pope was entirely justified in personally deocculizing GG with a knitting needle. That tower was expensive. And what POSSIBLEuse are we gonna find for it now?
@@brucebaker810
This is impossible (Matthew 19:26)
Nothing is impossible (Matthew 17:20).
But you must not think there is a contradiction.
That's naughty.
Such shoddy reasoning. It is always embarrassing to listen to theists, but this is a new level of embarrassing.
The hoops this guy willing to jump through is astonishing
Matt breaking down the UFO phenomena was epic!
oh dear god the lengths these people will go to to support their stone age myths......
@@mikeyseo Sorry, you can't will your god into existence with semantic sleight-of-hand.
@@mikeyseo Sorry, are you claiming to be able to demonstrate that you have the capability to know anything after rejecting the entire foundation of rationality to make room for your imaginary friend?
@@mikeyseo wow..... you asking someone else if they are too stupid to answer a question, after what you have written here, is almost too hysterical to believe!!! Please, provide 1 scrap of evidence for any god, we are all still waiting....
@@mikeyseo You haven't even defined what you mean by "god". I'm sure the only reason you're asking is so you can play games with semantics to "prove" your god. Well, I'm not interested in playing. Give me a god claim and I will evaluate it accordingly.
Re: Sye, that was a typo and its fixed now. I was replying to another theist who is using tactics similar to yours on a video about Sye Ten Bruggencate, a nutty Christian apologist who rejects the very foundation of reason. You'd probably love his "work".
@@mikeyseo In that case, I reject your claim. I have no rational reason to accept the existence of the supernatural. I also have no reason to believe the universe was created. Demonstrate the supernatural and provide an example of another universe created by such a being and we'll talk.
This guy is an excellent example of what happens when you're home schooled by bible thumpers.
In other words murican.
Unfortunately, this has nothing to do with home schooling, or having evangelical type parents.
All it takes is going to church services. Maybe once, maybe 52 times in a year, maybe over several years or a lifetime.
If you listen to someone preaching or teaching you, and they are presenting the material as important and as truth, all it takes is that “click” that occurs in your mind, in your emotions, that hooks into your hopes and your fears, and you will begin to seek out information that confirms those hopes and fears.
Even intelligent people will give over to that thing that seems important, and that drives your hopes and fears.
Maybe he was just born dumb?
I wish people would ask "why do you accept personal experiences when they are your own but not when they are someone else's?" If you think THEY could be misguided why dont you think YOU can be misguided?
This guy has absolutely no ability to reason and avoid fallacies.
@@mikeyseo ....so in a nutshell people shouldn't disbelieve due to a lack of evidence, they should have faith it's true, even though faith is belief in the absence of of justified evidence, because The Bible says you should have faith and you have faith The Bible is correct about faith.
Gotcha. Yeah, I think i'll stick with being a "liar".
@@mikeyseo Speaking of liars ;)
@@mikeyseo Nope, I'm introducing Alex Malarkey.
@@mikeyseo _"God is the creator of the universe."_ Spotted the mistake in your... ahem, "logic".
@@mikeyseo Then provide a logical argument that proves that God really is the creator of the universe.
So we have a caller who already knows the truth of Christianity and is asking a couple of atheists about the truth. He's calling the wrong show. They don't think it's true ! Obviously.
The “truth of Christianity”? LOL
Mike has convinced himself he is correct! I believe he believes. I remain a happy Atheist.
How come no one's done a compilation of Matt Dillahunty going no no no no no?
@@kentonbaird1723 Ha!
@VideoAudioDisco09 You're done!
omg I was thinking the same thing 😂 or him shouting the callers name 😂
When matt dies on his coffin it wil say. IV PUT YOU ON HOLD, IV NOT HUNG UP.. 😁
Or a gif...
I died twice in one day in hospital a couple of decades ago, and i have recollections of being in an underground tube train staton, and tube trains going past[ When I lived in London in the 80s I hated going on tube trains, in fact I hate living in any cities from more than a couple of weeks]
in the 10 days I was very unwell in hospital I had lots of weird experiences I assume connected to my body and mind being in distress and the medications I had pumped into veins in both arms and tubes into my stomach!
Great doctors and modern medicine saved my life!
;●)
IDIOT! You have just proved hell is a tube station. Also those doctors doctors did nothing, I was praying for your recovery the whole time.
I am glad you got through your challenging experience
Jonathan Davies
Hahaha
;◎)
VideoAudioDisco09
Yes!
;o)
Daniel M. Edwards
Thank you
:●)
“All the Christians around me believe it’s true, so ....” Also, “I believe in heaven because of a personal experience but I don’t want to talk about it.”
I bet my near death experience will be like my bad dreams where I'm desperately looking for a bathroom but can't find one.
One time when I was driving, I saw an unidentified object in my right side door window.
It was moving extremely fast, back and forth, much faster than any man-made machine.
The road was winding and the sun was low down at my left.
When the road straightened, it stopped moving. I then realised it was a reflection of the sun.
@Blue Skies Media
I saw an elephant fly
You know it occurs to me that a lot of people use the words "faith" and "belief" when what they really mean is "hope." They "hope" there is an after life where they can see their mom again. They "hope" there is an all good, merciful God keeping score and prepared to reward the just and punish the wicked. They hope. They don't believe there is a God to hear their prayers, they hope there is.
This guys opinion basically boils down to "If something is unfalsifiable, It's true.." So now imagine a world where the majority of people think this way. Now stop imagining, because this IS OUR REALITY.
People want to believe that they are on some kind of spiritual journey seeking truth when in reality most are on a journey looking for something that is emotionally appealing to them and to fcherry pick anything they can possibly claim backs up their belief.
I just want to believe cuz it makes me feel all warm and cozy like I'm walking around with a mug of hot cocoa with tiny marshmallows and nobody can hurt me, where's my blankie?
~ Clearly: none of these callers have even had experience as basic as a high school debate team. It is incredible how so many guys are willing to come on this show so totally unprepared. Cheers, DAVEDJ ~
@@mikeyseo Question: Why do you have baby videos and cringe compilations in your "fuck atheists" Playlist? Those videos probably don't fit in that category.
Also you have a "fuck atheists" playlist, it sounds like you might have too much emotional investment in this topic to truly be objective about it.
@@mikeyseo Claiming that you won, when this video is evidence for the contrary, only shows who the actual winner is.
@@mikeyseo lmao, if heaven is real, it is BURSTING with bitch made fuck boys like you
Mike, the caller sounds like his brain is deprived of oxygen
I've been to San Jose and the air there is very low quality.
pmsl classs
Nah. He just met a hot, Christian girl. ;-) jk
Polly Pockets
Yeah, I suppose if she was hot enough and putting out I would reconvert 😆
Mull M it’s also really easy to lie and say you believe when you don’t. I’m sure there are lots of guys lying about being a believer to get some good lovin’
"The most ridiculous concept ever perpetrated by H.Sapiens is that the Lord God of Creation, Shaper and Ruler of the Universes, wants the saccharine adoration of his creations, that he can be persuaded by their prayers, and becomes petulant if he does not receive this flattery. Yet this ridiculous notion, without one real shred of evidence to bolster it, has gone on to found one of the oldest, largest and least productive industries in history."
I’m from San Jose, and that caller has been my life experience with people. Lol
Despite the fact that this caller was clearly confused and twisted around on some things, I get the feeling that he was trying to be honest and genuinely was interested in discussing and working through his thoughts, and that's all that matters in the end for me
I agree with that completely I think that sometimes Matt wants to put the caller down too quickly
When I saw the title of this one my first thought was "This should be a short one".
Mike & Tracie: God's not real; God's not real; God's not real.
Callers: Yes he is, yes he is, yes he is.
Mike & Tracie: Prove it.
Callers: Yes he is, yes he is, yes he is.
Tracie and _Matt_ do not state that they believe gods are not real.
I love the 'Bigfoot Club'! I can't stop laughing!!
I've had a near-death experience. You feel an overwhelming sense of peace and satisfaction and joy. The only thing I could liken it to was being hugged and protected by my mother when I was very young - something I hadn't experienced in decades. You see a brightening white light (like coming out of a long dark tunnel). You lose your sense of identity and 'see' yourself (consciousness-wise) from the 'outside'.
If you are religious I can understand perfectly why you might consider it being 'perfectly loved' by god/Jesus/etc. Or that you're floating away to heaven/a different dimension.
It just seems to be the natural result of a brain in the process of shutting down. Pretty much everyone seems to have this experience (or similar) when they are dying. There is no reason to think there is anything supernatural behind it or about it.
And in case anyone's afraid of dying - don't be. It's quite pleasant. Like going to sleep but way more peaceful and fulfilling. Of course I'd rather live but the process of dying isn't anything to be afraid of. We all live forever through the impact (however small) we had on the cosmos in our tiny slice of time.
Christianity is quite an easy religion.
All you have to do is spend an hour once a week in a cold building listening to the same story that you heard before, sing one or two simple songs that you've sung before, mumble in the same way as the other five people, then give a small donation to keep it going. Brilliant !
@@thekububeach
I didn't get an egg !
I have had three separate experiences with unexplained phenomena (two happened in the same building) and I didn't need to run to religion to try to get answers. They were unexplained phenomena.
Does Matt and Tracy ever get burnt out debating these people ffs it's the same arguments
fashizzle78
Of course they do however both feel that knowledge and truth will help people come to a better understanding
I had an experience recently.
It ran out of petrol, even though the gauge indicated there was plenty of petrol
Perhaps the Devil interfered with the engine. He could do that, just to annoy me,
Until someone can prove the Devil doesn't exist, I'm going with that explanation.
It's not the devil . It's Petrolina , the fairy godmother that avenges her humble hydrocarbon followers.
@@kelthekonqrr
Good answer.
It made me chuckle.
I like a humorous imagination.
tedgrant2
I had that experience with a hire car that run out if petrol going to a wedding, the gauge was stuck. Not funny or supernatural, but very annoying at the time
It wouldn't take but one universe-creating pixie to push on the gauge needle. And Occam's Razor makes that "lower supposition" more likely than the whole Eternal Good vs Evil Archetypes Battling Thru Time scenario.
@@brucebaker810
You heretic you.
It's definitely the devil. 100% certainty.
Many years back I witnessed something that I cannot explain how hard I try it. That was the nail in the coffin of my religious beliefs!
I saw the nail in my coffin 4 years ago. I no longer believe in any religion.
@@joeyb0806 To become and feel the nail is a starting point.
This guy was gasping at straws from the first sentence.
I guess he was gasping because it is not easy to breathe through a straw.
@@GeneralZod99 ha
@@GeneralZod99 maybe the poor fellow was huffing gas~
When Mike said "it's a well known fact heaven exists" I thought Matt's head was going to explode.
It is clear from many verses in the Bible that Heaven is just another word for sky.
For example, in Matthew 14:19 Jesus looks up to Heaven.
If that doesnt convince you read Acts chapter one verses 9 to 11...
Jesus was actually seen going up to Heaven and he disappeared into a cloud !
@@tedgrant2 Another bullshit argument trying to define things into existence. "Heaven is the sky, the sky exists, therefore heaven exists" That's completely fallacious.
@@AlexanderNash
God clearly doesn't want us to have any evidence that he exists.
I had a chemical heart stressor for my exam - no treadmill. I passed out and when I came to, they were getting ready to hit me with the paddles. My heart rate had dropped below 10bpm and BP was around 50. I had a dream about the hot nurse while I was out. She actually called me back. I'm so happy the dream was not about Mother Mary or a bunch of old Saints or something.
yawn...
No quantity of text could possibly confirm the supernatural
“Personal experience” always seems to be just a cop-out.
Right up there with "my god is unfalsifiable".
so you can't question my belief nah nah nah nah nah
The caller exemplified the suspension of the intellect
Mike is definitely in the Bigfoot Club.
😁unidentified wet object...one of the best off-hand, guilty pleasure burns I’ve heard from Matt -and he’s no slouch
The first rule of Bigfoot club is we don't talk about big foot club!
The second rule of bigfoot club is you squat with your back to a tree trunk while searching for Bigfoot (big foot is kinda rapey)
watch out, when bigfoot stands still, it looks like a three ;-)
don't s**t on a (big)foot
I love this show, matt is the fckn best
I have had vivid dreams all my life. I have also often had sleep paralysis, with realistic hallucinations. Luckily, when teenage me confided in my Mom, she explained that this was a natural trick of the brain.
I moved to Jerusalem on a language study program in my early 20's. Jet-lagged, dealing with trauma, I thought I was levitating one night while weird techno music played. Almost to the ceiling. I still remember the song, not a song I have ever heard.
I could have attributed that to spirits demons, or aliens, but I did not, because I understood it as a sometimes-nifty sometimes-horrible quirk of the interesting meat in my skull. I'd love to understand it better.
The U.S. military came up with the phrase U.F.O. to mean unidentified flying object. It doesn't mean alien. But over the decades U.F.O
has come to mean alien.
To the U.S. government U.F.O. can mean:
An unknown enemy plane
A weather balloon
A top secret U.S. plane
Time traveler
An alien space craft
A drone
John Morris or a Christian being shot out of a cannon!
Yes, it can be Anything provided it's
An object
Unidentified
Flying.
The set of all UFOS is very large ranging from some thing that struck me in the face while I out walking last night to a piece of debris blowing off the local landfill.
I believe the current preferred term is Unidentified Aerial Phenomenon.
There are some truths in the Harry Potter books, too.😂
It seems that religious apologists must keep a list of logical fallacies handy so they don't miss any of them.😏
The tap dancing is strong in this one 😬..
however your comment is weak.
15:20
" Well, you say facts right? But these aren't facts, they're specific claims about heaven"
15:56
" But it's a pretty well known fact that heaven exists"
SMH..................
To be a Christian, involves three principles.
You have to believe that the father of Jesus was the god of the Hebrews,
you have to believe we have the right to carry guns and you have to give money to the church.
(But you can safely ignore everything that Jesus said).
Typing this prior to listening to this whole clip but….I have been taking a tally on the most common words said by “CHRISTIANS” when they are tap dancing and I have concluded that the word “WELL” is the most common used word among them while they dig their own graves😂
This guy should sit down and have a conversation with a paranoid schizophrenic. My Mother had a lot delusions and hallucinations and once explained to me that she KNOWS they weren’t possible but still felt as real to her as me sitting there with her.
Tracie and Matt were the best team.
I agree.
I miss Tracie. Especially when she was teamed with Matt.
The majority of people are not Christians. The world population is about 7.5 billion, and there are roughly 2.4 billion Christians.
the overwhelming majority of Mankind REJECT the jesus myth
This guy may have experienced an OBE, or Lucid Dream.
Sometimes termed Astral Projection.
I've experienced this hundreds of times between age 22 and 63.
I've studied it at some length also. Lots of information online.
The author Dennis Wheatley (long since fallen out of fashion) based one of his novels on it.
It's no more evidence for Jesus/Christianity than it is for any other man-invented religion.
It could be a function of the brain, but it's effing trippy...no question!
ps: Jesus was not in evidence. (I think I was inhabiting one of the lower astral planes)
We put you on 'hold' right after the 'Astral Projection' bit.
If you need a 'holy man', India has some 3 million of them.
@@lancethrustworthy your answer is crass besides being stupid.
Mike will fall prey to every scam artist out there.
My NDE was disappointing- aside from coming back :).
I experienced non of the illusory visions that others claimed to see.
At its depth my experience was a decreasing level of energy with out information.
Thats the best I can do as a description.
everyone is different.
I'm glad they're not still shooting, using the mic set up we see here.
Albeit minor, the room reverb is irritating.
Glad they aren't doing that anymore. Yay.
musician perhaps?,most do not know nor understand and listen to it on their phone hence sounds all the same.
Argument from popularity
They did not correct him when he claimed most scientists believe in heaven - which is why he clung to his claim that you need to know the science to have an informed belief. I assume he has been on Christian websites claiming that most scientists believe in heaven.
Apparently the procces of death, and even leading up to death, has shown us that we often start to 'trip' far earlier than was realised. The day before my mother died she was starting to behave strangely, as if she were on drugs, and in effect, she was. The dying process had started, her brain was beginning to release all kinds of natural chemical transmitters, she was starting the final 'trip' the brain has nothing left to lose when death is certain, and as a final farewell it goes completely haywire, which is probably just as well for our last moments, but in near death experiences (that are comparatively rare) we have our brain back to normal function trying to make sense of the highly traumatic thing that has happened to it, I have every sympathy for people who have went through this , which is a thing I hope never to happen to me, but people who have dropped hallucinagenics would probably understand this experience a litte better, but one day, we all have to experience this in one way or another.
"I want to believe because then I can be forgiven more quickly for my thought crimes by my imaginary friend -- who by the way also exists only in my head. I'm just sparing myself sweat-time in the possible eventuality of somethingness that I can't explain and yet won't admit is possibly delusional. I had a so-called supernatural experience that other gullible people have also claimed to have had, and where else am I going to find like-minded gullibility?"
I don't know if my car will pass the test that I've booked for next Tuesday.
How can I find out the truth ?
@rent a shill
Actually, I did go.
And it passed !
Thank you Jesus.
king of pretzel-logic this guy , give him a prize
There isn't a single religion that would be duplicated by a civilization that evolved in a complete societal and historical vacuum. That civilization would, by nature of the human psyche, create new religions, but our extant religions would become extinct.
When Mike starts galloping away from explaining himself, he’s literally putting a force field between himself and rationality. Dude has been indoctrinated OR he’s terrified of acknowledging that he may just be making this stuff up. Scary stuff.
I could be wrong, but it seems to me that all arguments for a God's existence, including those by highly educated apologists, come down to the same thing: "It's a mystery, therefore God."
Is it really that painful just to say, "I don't know"?
UA-cam has a weird ad algorithm. Before this video, there was an ad for a Christian church.
The christians seem to be targeting this show with their ridiculously absurd ads . I've seen them in a lot of these shows .
It makes sense. Christians usually don't want other christians to watch this show. They ofcourse cannot prevent it, but they can try to put christian ads on the videos of this show to try to prevent christians from losing their faith. In a way it's an admission that this show actually is able to make people lose their faith.
I kinda get it:
1. Religion is a wide and vague topic.
2. Atheists are presumably Christian advertising's target audience. There's no point in advertising to people who already buy your product.
Ironically, if theists really understood 'how' to advertise/sell/demonstrate their religion to atheists, they would probably be atheist.
I’ve had a couple near death experiences. Still atheist, when it was over I looked up and said holy fuck that was close. Then I moved on with my life.
sounds shallow and missed opportunities,next time dive in.
21:30 Or you could also say "This is so outside the range of reality that maybe there is more to reality than I currently understand"
@David ClingingSince we don't understand everything about reality, let's say outside of reality as we understand it. Then you don't have to assume it doesn't exist. It could be that you don't know how to verify it's existence.
@David Clinging Are you saying that if a person does not have the ability to understand something then that person should assume that that thing doesn't exist?
@David Clinging I do agree with that. But having zero position is not the same as saying or assuming it doesn't exist as you previously stated. Zero position is actually saying "I don't know" Also, my position was not that it's beyond ANY POSSIBLE comprehension. If that were the case it would be absurd.
He seems like a good guy. Just looking for answers.
In law enforcement you can have several witnesses who have conflicting memories of what they saw. Like out of five observations such as the color of a car where you are given four different colors. (so you go with majority of two, logically)
that is because most folks walk around consumed by their own realities.
I’m from San Jose! Incidentally, growing up, almost everyone I knew was an atheist. I mean...it’s not like we discussed the notion of a god much, but the times it did come up was more from a joke told which would make it clear that no one around believed in one. And they didn’t have bad experiences with religion. For instance, my church was a Methodist, friendly, congregation that as far as I can remember, never discussed hell/consequences ; I just....after a certain age....realized there was no evidence,therefore couldn’t control no longer believing.
When someone says you aren't a scientist the only response I have is neither are you
They are fine with that, they are okay with both sides claiming ignorance. It allows them to cling to their religion with the excuse that both sides could be wrong
we all are scientists in one way or another ,some are just bad ones.
Near death experiences are nothing more than the mental alterations from lack of oxygen (hypoxia).
Wouldn't a lack of oxygen be near death?
@@hellohandsome9875 No, there are varying levels of oxygen deprivation. I have friends who suffer from hypoxia when they ski the Rockies at 14,000 feet. It’s not near death as in ‘near death experiences’ that are entirely physical reactions with no supernatural implications at all.
I’ve experienced hypoxia at NASA and I had a feeling of elation. That’s what people who claim to have near death experiences say they have. But the elation isn’t a god or being beamed to a supernatural place. It’s 100% a physical reaction to oxygen depravation.
@@MovieMakingMan I'm a life long atheist, never believed, but I had an allergic reaction last year, my whole body itching, my vision went haywire, I lost consciousness and woke lying on the kitchen floor with my legs sticking the the open door to the garden that I'd tried to reach to get some air,,,, by then, my breathing was reduced to tiny gasps,,, I didn't have an out of body experience or see a god that isn't there, but I knew another couple of minutes and I would've been dead,,,, silly thing is, I was OK with it, no panic, no fear, just acceptance
@@hellohandsome9875 I’m glad you made it ok! Did you ever find out why you had an allergic reaction? I had Covid last sept (21) and my oxygen levels went really low if I did anything. It can produce a lot of anxiety. Glad you’re ok!
@@MovieMakingMan I'm glad I made it too! Reactions started early January last year, had an appointment for 9th of this month at local hospital, but it's been changed to a telephone appointment, but hopefully I'll get a face to face soon after. I've been prescribed Loratadine tablets, but I also have over the counter that I take if I feel a bit iffy about a meal,,, had a couple of lesser reactions and I keep a note of what I've eaten,,,, covid is scary for me cos I have chronic bronchitis, so my breathing is a bit poor anyway,,,, glad you beat it tho, hope it never comes your way again
Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike, Mike.... let me... Mike, Mike.... [hold button]
I'm on board with Tracy and Matt's scepticism, but there is one thing they shouldn't say is that near death experiences have been debunked!!
Because that's a fallacy like Matt likes to use!! Ndes are hard to study and Just because an nde,er doesn't necessarily see those nrs they placed on top of a cupboard or whatever, means nothing!! I'd like to send Matt into my living room for 5 minutes and see if he can tell me exactly what is in my living room.
Doesn't mean Matt wasn't in my living room just because he missed my vase that was placed on my table now does it???
Professionals that study the nde phenomenon has not prescribed it to a dying brain or halucinations, and it's really dishonest for them to say so.
Who is this Tracy person that I see people referring to?
The first rule of Bigfoot club is, no-one talks about Bigfoot club.
Nobody really knows why they believe, although they might list a few reasons.
If someone shows that these reasons don't fly, it won't make any difference.
They'll still believe. Similarly, nobody knows why they don't believe.
Some people don't like ice cream. I don't know why.
I'd like to know what you believe, or don't...
I know exactly why I don't believe.
@@jamesbryant4269
Really ?
You may think you know, but do you really know ?
My dog doesn't know what caused the Big Bang and he doesn't know how life started.
He doesn't pray. He doesn't go to Church and he doesn't donate.
We are very much alike.
you are so mistaken.
@@ericscaillet6087
I don't donate !
@@tedgrant2 okay....if you insist,nobody has asked for any donation,a good discussion pershaps but no donations
@@ericscaillet6087
You said I was mistaken.
About what ?
@@tedgrant2 effectively we do not know what dogs or any other animals for that matter thinks or knows,we have an idea of their behaviours but that is about it,thats all.
I believe Mike’s brain has been deprived of oxygen for at least 10 minutes as evidenced by his delusional responses.
"you guys aren't scientists" well, most scientists are atheist, so if he wants to go down that road, he's still wrong.
It's almost like the reasons that cite for god are rejected by experts in that field.
Let’s just try to explain why I believe what I’m not sure I believe.
The majority of people on Earth aren’t Christian (you only need to combine the atheists and muslims and already you have a larger population. This guy really need to listen back to this call but even more so, he reeeeeeally needs to discuss this outside of his echo chamber of a social circle more.
a statistical phenomenon. quite some pages to never have anything correlating reality in some way on.
I periodically have an experience! One second I am in my everyday routine and then I am on the flight line smelling the plane fuel, it is real, hearing the c130 engine idling, it is absolutely real, feeling the cool breeze, so cold, seeing the injured vets straight from the battlefields of Nam, very real, I don't believe I have ever tasted anything. But it is real, I am there! And when I come too I have an overwhelming dread and fear!! I will always believe it was real even tho I am perfectly well aware I was not there, people tell me I did not move only my eyes glaze over! It is called a flashback a variant of near death or out of body. It is very real, do not try to tell me it was not real! What really happened? The only logical explanation is "I don't know"!
Ew look at the reflection of the sun on the water in the painting. What HAPPENED? Someone done messed up.
maybe it is an artistic licence...
16:10 Doesn't make it a well known fact, it makes it an agreed upon opinion
So as long as there is a club of something they most likely have evidence?
Flat earth I'm looking at you 😁😁😁
How about every religion ever?
I would be interested in knowing how many people who have NDE’s are convinced of a supernatural realm by the experience. I know lots of people who have had intense experiences on psychedelics and I don’t think any of them have attributed the hallucinations to anything supernatural, but in both states the experience is brought on by a decrease in activity in the default mode network of the brain which is the general “filter” for the brain and is related to the “ego” or sense of self.
the power duo
of the trials,defenitly not the finals.