By the way, the change from the "Sicut erat" to the repetition of the Miserer mei, is ingenious. Opening a totally normal c-major cadenza and than, letting it finish on c-minor to start over the miserere. Even today, this is quite a shock to the audience (and joy for the performers), how much of an effect, must it have been in the first half of the 18th century.
After reading your comment, I thought the C Minor entry would just be a waste of time, but I jumped in my chair when the passage came on. That was some Mozart-genius level stuff there!
Not much of a shock to anyone familiar with Monteverdi or C.P.E. Bach, to name some others. Check out parts in all of his works for his own instruments, the violone and the double bass. He could've written some for himself to play.
Some lore on Zelenka's most famous composition: "The Miserere in C Minor, /Z. 57/ is one of the late works of the Bohemian composer Jan Dismas Zelenka, and according to an entry in the autograph score, it was completed on 12 March 1738 and thus chronologically takes its place between the High Masses Missa Sanctissimae Trinitatis /1736/ and the Missa votiva /1739/, and suggests that it was meant to be performed during the Good Friday services in 1738, also, interestingly, It was the only late work by Zelenka to be reprized in Dresden’s Hofkirche after his death. The Miserere consists of six parts. The introductory and final sections, which are identical, are filled with dramatic Baroque pathos. The doxology /Gloria Patri/ is treated first as a soprano aria modeled on Hasse's style, and immediately thereafter as a choral movement. Of particular interest are the second and fifth parts, setting to music the complete text of the respective psalm and using literal quotation of music by Girolamo Frescobaldi, a method also employed by e.g. J.S Bach. For his part, Zelenka drew upon the Ricercar con obligo Basso come appare, from Frescobaldi's collection "Fiori Musicalis", published in Venice in 1635. He transcribed the score from the original long notation into the system used in his time, adjusted the note values to the text, and backed the vocal component with the standard Dresden instrumental format of two oboes, strings and organ." (And shameless plug that the autograph score-video is on my channel which S.P linked to, but that was the old crap version on the Zeno channel which I deleted some time ago when I redid it, so here is the updated one): ua-cam.com/video/NjMxz8IvjoI/v-deo.html
although i really adore the misere 1 you cant put bach and zelenka on the same level. Not even close. Maybe you go deeper into Bachs work and then reconsider your statement.
Thanks for creating this video. It is a shame that Zelenka is so seldom performed although it is first class music. Why do all choirs only sing the same three pieces by Bach & Handel over and over again? There is so much more to learn out there!
You have to come to middle-germany or saxony, where Zelenka worked most of his lifetime. There, the choirs -professionel and non-professionel, more and more tend to perform many works of the so-called "minor composers" of the rich baroque era and not Bach and Handle only anymore. This is very enriching.
@@Arsamenes1 Great to hear this! I actually live in west-germany, and here a choir director explained to me that singing anything other than Bach or Handel is infeasable, because an orchestra and soloists are expensive and when works by lesser known composers are preformed, not enough listeners will come. So maybe you are lucky and have rich sponsors (which was, ironically, necessary in the baroque period, too, with the notable exception of a superstar like Telemann)?
@@SPscorevideos Its from a racist website but on the dailystormer (Andrew Anglin) it draws the conclusion that because Zelenka induleged in some antisemitic ideas which unfortunateley leaked into his work Jewish individuals are using lawfare to prevent publication of his non-orchestral works. Again take with a grain of salt. I would find the original web page but it has been buried in the last 5 years. Take from it what you will. Use the way back machine.
Bach's Johannes Passion 1742, Zelenka's Miserere ZWV57 1738, the beginning a wonderful homage to the sublime work of the great Maestro (harmony and orchestration). This is also a tremendous, wonderful work, thanks for uploading it with the score!!!!
Yes, in 1715 Zelenka was the copyst of a collection named "Collectaneorum Musicorum", in which Frescobaldi's "Fiori Musicali" is the first part of Book II.
I performed this last year. The second part is ridiculous to sing, because of its setting of the text. This is due to the fact, that this part is originally an organ-fugue by either Frohberger or Frescobaldi (i am not sure anymore) and I guess Zelenka either was in a hurry or had no will to underline the existing music with the text properly. Because in his original compositions, he shows very clearly how good he was in setting texts into music. Indeed, before the concert, us tenors said this time, that not the one failing during the performance, has to offer free beer after the concert but the one, who is able to get through this part without any mistakes. 😄
I'm curious to know in which part exactly you feel the text is set unproperly or awkwardly, because as I read it really looks fine... or at least looks better than any French composer, for example. :D
@@SPscorevideos uhm I don't know what mr. Ardamenes was referring to, but I'd suggest that in Gloria Patri the strong accent implied by the music is spiRItui instead of SPIritui which i guess would be more natural?
@@uomodibassamorale It feels more natural for me to say "spiRItui" so I don't know. And it's latin so it's possible that it's on the penultimate syllable. But maybe I am wrong and it's just that I am from the same country as Zelenka so we both get it wrong. xD
@@EmpereurNapoleonBonaparte Wow great to know! As a wannabe linguist this kind of information touches my funnybone... Music influences languages and viceversa according to curious schemes we probably know little about. I double checked and in latin (as far as we know) spīritus has the stress on the first syllable. This makes your last point even more interesting ahahah. (btw... Greetings from Italy! not a great traveler but I must say that Prague has been my favourite trip ever: great town, unforgettable beer!)
By the way, the change from the "Sicut erat" to the repetition of the Miserer mei, is ingenious. Opening a totally normal c-major cadenza and than, letting it finish on c-minor to start over the miserere. Even today, this is quite a shock to the audience (and joy for the performers), how much of an effect, must it have been in the first half of the 18th century.
After reading your comment, I thought the C Minor entry would just be a waste of time, but I jumped in my chair when the passage came on. That was some Mozart-genius level stuff there!
Not much of a shock to anyone familiar with Monteverdi or C.P.E. Bach, to name some others. Check out parts in all of his works for his own instruments, the violone and the double bass. He could've written some for himself to play.
Some lore on Zelenka's most famous composition:
"The Miserere in C Minor, /Z. 57/ is one of the late works of the Bohemian composer Jan Dismas Zelenka, and according to an entry in the autograph score, it was completed on 12 March 1738 and thus chronologically takes its place between the High Masses Missa Sanctissimae Trinitatis /1736/ and the Missa votiva /1739/, and suggests that it was meant to be performed during the Good Friday services in 1738, also, interestingly, It was the only late work by Zelenka to be reprized in Dresden’s Hofkirche after his death.
The Miserere consists of six parts. The introductory and final sections, which are identical, are filled with dramatic Baroque pathos. The doxology /Gloria Patri/ is treated first as a soprano aria modeled on Hasse's style, and immediately thereafter as a choral movement. Of particular interest are the second and fifth parts, setting to music the complete text of the respective psalm and using literal quotation of music by Girolamo Frescobaldi, a method also employed by e.g. J.S Bach. For his part, Zelenka drew upon the Ricercar con obligo Basso come appare, from Frescobaldi's collection "Fiori Musicalis", published in Venice in 1635. He transcribed the score from the original long notation into the system used in his time, adjusted the note values to the text, and backed the vocal component with the standard Dresden instrumental format of two oboes, strings and organ."
(And shameless plug that the autograph score-video is on my channel which S.P linked to, but that was the old crap version on the Zeno channel which I deleted some time ago when I redid it, so here is the updated one):
ua-cam.com/video/NjMxz8IvjoI/v-deo.html
Those oboes at the beginning add so much to the texture, they sound like voices, before the voices actually come in.
Moltissimi Autori, c.d. "minori", meriterebbero di essere conosciuti e soprattutto ascoltati di più e meglio: Dismas Zelenka è uno di questi.
Ma infatti! Comunque Zelenka è un gigante, altro che "minore"!
Zelenka was such a genius! He is my new favorite composer.
@@ValzainLumivix ok
Such an underrated piece, beautiful from the beginning to the end. I adore the transition to the last Miserere.
I recently discovered Zelenka's music and this piece immediate appeal to me. Thank you for this video!
Zelenka is as genius than Bach or Händel => thank you for sharing this masterpiece!👍👏👏👏👏
although i really adore the misere 1 you cant put bach and zelenka on the same level. Not even close. Maybe you go deeper into Bachs work and then reconsider your statement.
Thanks for creating this video. It is a shame that Zelenka is so seldom performed although it is first class music. Why do all choirs only sing the same three pieces by Bach & Handel over and over again? There is so much more to learn out there!
You have to come to middle-germany or saxony, where Zelenka worked most of his lifetime. There, the choirs -professionel and non-professionel, more and more tend to perform many works of the so-called "minor composers" of the rich baroque era and not Bach and Handle only anymore. This is very enriching.
@@Arsamenes1 Great to hear this! I actually live in west-germany, and here a choir director explained to me that singing anything other than Bach or Handel is infeasable, because an orchestra and soloists are expensive and when works by lesser known composers are preformed, not enough listeners will come. So maybe you are lucky and have rich sponsors (which was, ironically, necessary in the baroque period, too, with the notable exception of a superstar like Telemann)?
There is a copywright dispute over much of his music
What copyright dispute?
@@SPscorevideos
Its from a racist website but on the dailystormer (Andrew Anglin) it draws the conclusion that because Zelenka induleged in some antisemitic ideas which unfortunateley leaked into his work Jewish individuals are using lawfare to prevent publication of his non-orchestral works. Again take with a grain of salt. I would find the original web page but it has been buried in the last 5 years. Take from it what you will. Use the way back machine.
Bach's Johannes Passion 1742, Zelenka's Miserere ZWV57 1738, the beginning a wonderful homage to the sublime work of the great Maestro (harmony and orchestration). This is also a tremendous, wonderful work, thanks for uploading it with the score!!!!
Thank you for the appreciation, and keep following, Zelenka's coming back in December... ;)
That's great, he is one of the giants of this period, he needs to be appreciated as such. Thanks again!!!
Love Zelenka. Thanks for the upload.
Thank you. Just about to perform the piece in a concert. Really helpful.
только настоящие любовники классической музыку здесь
Magnificent!
Zelinka une passion j'adore
Гениально!
Fantastic!!! 💖
Meraviglioso Bach e Mozart fusi insieme
Anxious heart beats a bit too much in the beginning, isn't it?
👏👏👏 Bravo
Score video with manuscript ➡️ ua-cam.com/video/HtbENq_Oxc0/v-deo.html
merci SPS Magnifique partition . fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan_Dismas_Zelenka
Miserere II from Frescobaldi's "Recercar con obligo del Basso come appare" from "Fiori Musicali".
Yes, in 1715 Zelenka was the copyst of a collection named "Collectaneorum Musicorum", in which Frescobaldi's "Fiori Musicali" is the first part of Book II.
I performed this last year. The second part is ridiculous to sing, because of its setting of the text. This is due to the fact, that this part is originally an organ-fugue by either Frohberger or Frescobaldi (i am not sure anymore) and I guess Zelenka either was in a hurry or had no will to underline the existing music with the text properly. Because in his original compositions, he shows very clearly how good he was in setting texts into music. Indeed, before the concert, us tenors said this time, that not the one failing during the performance, has to offer free beer after the concert but the one, who is able to get through this part without any mistakes. 😄
I'm curious to know in which part exactly you feel the text is set unproperly or awkwardly, because as I read it really looks fine... or at least looks better than any French composer, for example. :D
@@SPscorevideos uhm I don't know what mr. Ardamenes was referring to, but I'd suggest that in Gloria Patri the strong accent implied by the music is spiRItui instead of SPIritui which i guess would be more natural?
@@uomodibassamorale Accents have never been really so mandatory as we believe (as much as syllabation). Just listen to any French composer. ;)
@@uomodibassamorale It feels more natural for me to say "spiRItui" so I don't know. And it's latin so it's possible that it's on the penultimate syllable. But maybe I am wrong and it's just that I am from the same country as Zelenka so we both get it wrong. xD
@@EmpereurNapoleonBonaparte Wow great to know! As a wannabe linguist this kind of information touches my funnybone... Music influences languages and viceversa according to curious schemes we probably know little about. I double checked and in latin (as far as we know) spīritus has the stress on the first syllable. This makes your last point even more interesting ahahah. (btw... Greetings from Italy! not a great traveler but I must say that Prague has been my favourite trip ever: great town, unforgettable beer!)
👏👏👏👏👏👏👍🎻🎶🎵🎵🎶🎼
Who are the performers ? How can you put music online without mentioning the performers?
It's Il Fondamento conducted by Paul Dombrecht. There's a link in description. :)
Who are the interprets?
Il Fondamento with Paul Dombrecht, as in the link in description. :)
Yummy
Zelinka unu passio
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This is not adagio guys...
Harris Mark Thomas Paul Brown Karen
Zelenka is at least as good as, if not better than, JS Bach
Кто после "Дворца Путина", ставьте лайк 😉