Michael Haydn - Requiem in C minor (Missa pro defuncto Archiepiscopo Sigismondo)

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  • @SPscorevideos
    @SPscorevideos  5 років тому +20

    Here's a score video with the manuscript (same recording), from TheOneAndOnlyZeno ➡️ ua-cam.com/video/U3KnZ0GdD4I/v-deo.html
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    I. Requiem aeternam - Kyrie [0:00]
    II. Dies irae [6:26]
    III. Domine Jesu Christe [13:40]
    IV. Quam olim Abrahae [16:05]
    V. Hostias [17:19]
    VI. Sanctus [20:04]
    VII. Benedictus [21:54]
    VIII. Agnus Dei [25:00]
    IX. Cum sanctis tuis in aeternum [29:18]

  • @mrknesiah
    @mrknesiah 4 роки тому +131

    Undeniably the DNA for Mozart's Requiem. It's amazing how much of this was used by Mozart. Michael Haydn is a highly underappreciated composer. Even the final fugue is magnificient 32:40 Mozart didn't get a chance to finish his Amen fugue which was meant to go here .. 12:29 I'm sure those who have heard the Mozart requiem a few times will recognize this 16:05

    • @MusiExplora
      @MusiExplora 4 роки тому +2

      that's really true

    • @SovietSongsInEnglish
      @SovietSongsInEnglish 4 роки тому +2

      Absolutely.

    • @mrknesiah
      @mrknesiah 4 роки тому +3

      @Kacper Skonieczny The quom olim abrahae fugue for sure is strongly evoked by mozart in setting style and rhythm.

    • @MusiExplora
      @MusiExplora 4 роки тому

      @Kacper Skonieczny that's true👍

    • @petermerelis
      @petermerelis 4 роки тому +5

      this is wild. near plagiarism at points.

  • @MusiExplora
    @MusiExplora 4 роки тому +67

    to my way of thinking Michael Haydn is really underrated today - we ought to perform his genius music more in concerts

    • @just4sax
      @just4sax 4 роки тому +5

      I totally agree❤👏👍

  • @Apfelstrudl
    @Apfelstrudl 4 роки тому +37

    Wolfgang A. and Leopold Mozart played at the premiere of this Requiem in Salzburg with the Hofkapelle.

    • @johnnidark6463
      @johnnidark6463 3 роки тому +4

      Yep I read three performances; Leopold on one of the violin parts and Wolfgang on viola.

  • @mduftube
    @mduftube 3 роки тому +23

    This is wonderful. Mozart clearly borrowed some of these ideas for his own requiem.

  • @Ottavio_Farnese
    @Ottavio_Farnese Рік тому +7

    The intro is a clear tribute to Pergolesi

    • @BryanHo
      @BryanHo Рік тому +1

      So true, can't believe I didn't catch it myself until your comment.

  • @carstenb2415
    @carstenb2415 3 роки тому +12

    Love the bit at 12:52, gives me chills absolutely every time!

  • @emanuel_soundtrack
    @emanuel_soundtrack 3 роки тому +7

    absolutely colossal and underrated masterpiece, so as the composer. He is one of the best vocal composers, no comparation

  • @pascalmayer9421
    @pascalmayer9421 Рік тому +2

    Merci pour partage ! Je ne connaissais que le tenebrae facte sunt de Michael Hadn . Michael Haydn compose ce requiem pour la mort du comte archevêque Sigismund von Schrattenbach à Salzbourg le 16 décembre 1771. Haydn termine le Requiem avant la fin de l'année, le signant « S[oli] D[eo] H[onus] et G[loria.] Salisburgi 31 Dicembre 1771 ». Sa fille Aloisia Josefa1 était morte début 1771. Les historiens pensent que son propre deuil a motivé cette composition2. De ce requiem existent encore une partition signée découverte à Berlin, un jeu de pages copiées avec de nombreuses corrections de la main de Haydn découvert à Salzbourg, un autre jeu découvert au château Esterházy à Eisenstadt et une partition, préparée par le copiste de Salzbourg Nikolaus Lang, trouvée à Munich3.
    Leopold et son fils Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart sont présents aux trois premières représentations du requiem de Haydn en janvier 17724,5, et Wolfgang est influencé par ce requiem lors de la composition de son propre Requiem en ré mineur, K. 6266. Le requiem de Michael Haydn est « un modèle important pour Mozart » et suggère fortement que l'achèvement du requiem de Mozart par Franz Xaver Süssmayr ne s'écarte « en aucune manière des plans de Mozart. »

  • @nellysotos5254
    @nellysotos5254 3 роки тому +15

    La obra extraordinaria de Michael Haydn es un caso de injusticia histórica, debería figurar en los repertorios habituales y tener la consideración que su gran calidad merece. No es un caso único porque parece que fuera de Bach, Beethoven o Mozart no hay nada.

    • @ivicativisad355
      @ivicativisad355 2 місяці тому

      Если взять более позднюю эпоху, то там к примеру одним из самых недооценённых композиторов является Макс Брух

  • @mogalelebethe6082
    @mogalelebethe6082 4 роки тому +4

    This is truly the most moving Requiem I have ever listened to... Truly amazing 😭

    • @gprengel
      @gprengel 5 місяців тому

      Then please listen to that Requiem which even surpasses this: ua-cam.com/video/PB8N9cpWEUQ/v-deo.htmlsi=CnnlLeACIz7cO4K-

  • @chipensemble
    @chipensemble 2 роки тому +7

    Mozart followed Haydn's footsteps for the structuring of the mass of the dead. Had Mozart lived to complete it, would have been the culmination of the classical mass tradition.

    • @elaineblackhurst1509
      @elaineblackhurst1509 2 роки тому +3

      Requiems are something of a musical cul-de-sac rather than a culmination of anything; whatever, the Requiems of both Michael Haydn and Mozart are both astonishing works.
      The culmination of the Classical Mass tradition is really the late final six masses of Joseph Haydn, a position confirmed by Beethoven no less who after one attempt to emulate a Haydn-style mass (his Mass in C), did what he did best, which was to learn from his two greatest predecessors, and then do his *own* thing, and write something completely different.

  • @filibertopierami6892
    @filibertopierami6892 4 роки тому +3

    Sono rimasto vivamente impressionato dalla somiglianza dell'Introitus del Requiem di M. Haydn con quello di Mozart!!!!

  • @filibertopierami6892
    @filibertopierami6892 4 роки тому +5

    Sono rimasto sbalordito del genio di Michael Haydn che, a mio avviso, non ha nulla invidiare a quello del fratello, Joseph!

    • @doublebasstian6204
      @doublebasstian6204 3 роки тому +1

      La vedo allo stesso modo perché Joseph Haydn ha detto che le sue opere corali sono migliori delle sue

  • @vonstolzing1
    @vonstolzing1 4 роки тому +6

    Es colosal! Qué lástima que la tragedia personal afectó tanto a Michael. No olvidemos que Mozart usó una de sus sinfonías, a la que agregó un preludio, para satisfacer un encargo. Es la 37 KV 444. Hoy se la retiró del catálogo Köchel al comprobarse que la sinfonía era de Michael, y queda el primer movimiento, que sí compuso Mozart, como KV 444a.

  • @carloalbertoanzuini6877
    @carloalbertoanzuini6877 3 місяці тому

    Puissant, solemnel, émouvant, superbe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • @thomasjohn5037
    @thomasjohn5037 Рік тому +4

    The melody at 2:15 for "Te decet hymnus Deus in Sion" is exactly same as the E-flat major theme in Mozart's Maurerische Trauermusik in C minor K.477

    • @SPscorevideos
      @SPscorevideos  Рік тому +2

      It's a Gregorian chant. :)

    • @thomasjohn5037
      @thomasjohn5037 Рік тому +1

      @@SPscorevideos didn't know that. Thanks for letting me know!!

  • @nellysotos5254
    @nellysotos5254 3 роки тому +6

    Una obra cumbre. Es una injusticia que el compositor no figure entre los mejores.

  • @domenikreihard4745
    @domenikreihard4745 3 роки тому +1

    Once again, I`ve heard something divine and more than just brilliant. Thank you S.P`s score videos for these brilliant pieces!

  • @ottavva
    @ottavva 5 років тому +20

    the beginning was apparently inspired by Perolesi's STABAT MATER

    • @F-Man
      @F-Man 4 роки тому

      It would certainly appear that way. Pergolesi unwittingly established a paradigm shift with that one.

    • @AbnerIMAlvarado
      @AbnerIMAlvarado 4 роки тому +2

      I thought exactly the same. I'm listening now the Introit and it is reminding me a lot of Mozart's Requiem (I know this was composed first). The necadant descending idea in the Domine Jesu is the same as in Mozart. The opening Quam Olim Abrahae theme has the same rhythm.

    • @SPscorevideos
      @SPscorevideos  4 роки тому +7

      And Pergolesi's Stabat Mater takes a lot of music from his teacher Francesco Durante. ;)
      It's more interesting how much this Michael Haydn's work influenced Mozart.

    • @yyjj841
      @yyjj841 4 роки тому

      That was my first thought

    • @mrknesiah
      @mrknesiah 4 роки тому +1

      @@SPscorevideos Mozart probably worked off this score to save time because there are too many detail similarities in wording and intonation.

  • @MrSpyfelis
    @MrSpyfelis 2 роки тому +1

    What a splendid and beautiful requiem!!

  • @elias69420
    @elias69420 4 роки тому +27

    The subject of the 'Quam olim' fugue sounds a lot like Mozart's.

    • @elaineblackhurst1509
      @elaineblackhurst1509 4 роки тому +2

      Elias That might be a little difficult as it was written 20 years before Mozart’s.

    • @OsGamersdoBrasil
      @OsGamersdoBrasil 3 роки тому +19

      It's quite known that Mozart took that as direct inspiration.

    • @hellfirepictures
      @hellfirepictures Рік тому +1

      Ya mean Mozart's sounds like M Haydn's. Cos Mozart nicked it!

  • @chipensemble
    @chipensemble 2 роки тому +2

    Setting aside the comparisons to Mozart: it's still a marvelous work. It has been criticized as "academic sounding" to which I strongly disagree. Young Haydn has a sense of formality and structure, which is actually a good thing. This particular Dies irae remains as one of my favorite settings of the text.

  • @yuehchopin
    @yuehchopin 2 роки тому +1

    gut und danke

  • @molealto
    @molealto 10 місяців тому

    Up there with the very best Kyries and Dies Iraes ever.

  • @paulsmith5752
    @paulsmith5752 5 років тому +18

    Best opening of ANY Requiem IMO. And I know quite a few of them.

    • @just4sax
      @just4sax 4 роки тому

      very moving piece!👍❤

    • @discojudas
      @discojudas 4 роки тому +2

      mozart opening is better

    • @paulsmith5752
      @paulsmith5752 2 роки тому +1

      @@discojudas See K A Nesiah's comment below. Mozart's Requiem wouldn't exist without this.

    • @joshua156
      @joshua156 Рік тому

      Mozart opening is better.
      Kozlozvky opening is better.

  • @emanuel_soundtrack
    @emanuel_soundtrack 3 роки тому +2

    these fast counterpoint sections and some interruptions to bring a totally different texture inbetween makes clear for me the composer wants to give more and more for the piece, idk if this is clear for everyone but maybe many people can just feel it. I don´t know the behind the scenes but it is definetely a work beyond what it was paid for. Unfortunely the historicists of the romanticism saw the sturm and drang and the presto style as just a "transition to", i don´t see only in this way, i think it is something INTERRUPTED by the mature classic style and other ideals

  • @bohdanmus333
    @bohdanmus333 2 роки тому

    Thank you a lot! This is amazing music!

  • @MusiExplora
    @MusiExplora 4 роки тому +1

    👏👏👏👏👏👏congrats to the interprets!

  • @hendrik.stoops
    @hendrik.stoops 4 роки тому +41

    Best requiem aeternam in history

    • @MusiExplora
      @MusiExplora 4 роки тому +12

      that's true
      Michael Haydn touches me more than Mozart - whereby Mozart wrote a genius requiem

    • @just4sax
      @just4sax 4 роки тому +5

      Michael also wrote genius chamber music and symphonies - a true master 😎❤🙏👍👍

    • @MusiExplora
      @MusiExplora 4 роки тому +4

      @@just4sax 👍

    • @chipensemble
      @chipensemble 2 роки тому

      And best Dies Irae

    • @pedrosantos3743
      @pedrosantos3743 2 роки тому

      I agree

  • @danielgnavarro3705
    @danielgnavarro3705 3 роки тому +2

    it reminds a lot to KV 477, particullary the first movement

  • @moisesvelez9859
    @moisesvelez9859 Рік тому

    Solemn and beautiful....

  • @jackjack3320
    @jackjack3320 3 роки тому +2

    Michael Haydn also seems to borrow from Mozart ; listen to the adagio movement of Michael's string quintet in F major, MH367 and the benedictus from Mozart's Spatzenmesse in C major, K.220.
    Mozart Missa Longa (1775): ua-cam.com/video/SfbwNRKuVRo/v-deo.html
    Michael Haydn Missa Sancti Hieronymi (1777): ua-cam.com/video/Zm3tZfyFjwE/v-deo.html
    Mozart Missa brevis in B flat major, K.275 (1777): ua-cam.com/video/JmsH1kRfl3g/v-deo.html
    Michael Haydn Missa Tempore Quadragesimae, MH 553 (1794): ua-cam.com/video/4H0snyrvuo8/v-deo.html

  • @composer318
    @composer318 4 роки тому +4

    29:18

  • @MusiExplora
    @MusiExplora 4 роки тому +5

    1:00❤❤❤🙏😎👍🙏🙏

  • @ninyangorevews6679
    @ninyangorevews6679 2 роки тому +1

    Now my fav requiem

  • @alexandrinalexandre366
    @alexandrinalexandre366 4 роки тому

    Magnificent

  • @composer318
    @composer318 4 роки тому +1

    Michael Haydn, the Joseph Haydn's Brother

  • @mrJohnDesiderio
    @mrJohnDesiderio Рік тому

    the man knew his stuff

  • @luciozandonadi
    @luciozandonadi 2 роки тому

    Wow, beautiful! Thanks for posting! Where I can find this vocal score? There's no more in CPDL... And in IMSLP only the manuscript for full orchestra. Thanks,

    • @SPscorevideos
      @SPscorevideos  2 роки тому +1

      It's still on CPDL: www.cpdl.org/wiki/index.php/Missa_pro_defuncto_Archiepiscopo_Sigismundo_(Johann_Michael_Haydn)

    • @luciozandonadi
      @luciozandonadi 2 роки тому

      @@SPscorevideos Wow, thank you so much!

    • @reynard61
      @reynard61 Рік тому

      If you're willing to be patient, I'm working on a full orchestral score on MuseScore 4. I'm going to try to have it finished by the end of summer and will post it either at IMSLP or the Muse forums.

  • @marcomarialacasella9941
    @marcomarialacasella9941 2 роки тому +2

    Sembra che Mozart si sia ispirato da questa Messa per il suo Requiem

  • @mrbrianmccarthy
    @mrbrianmccarthy Рік тому +1

    Wow, Mozart had to have known this piece, as it was written in 1771 for his(Mozart's) employer! He was definitely influenced by this piece when he wrote his Requiem(which i think is better, but no denying this is a great piece that Mozart borrowed stylistically from)

    • @hellfirepictures
      @hellfirepictures Рік тому

      Mozart and M Haydn worked together at times, swapped their scores with each other, and Mozart said M Haydn was "the greatest composer ever". He was more than 'influenced' by - he absolutely stole many of M Haydn's musical ideas. Whether M Haydn was ok with this or not I don't know.

    • @elaineblackhurst1509
      @elaineblackhurst1509 6 місяців тому

      @@hellfirepictures
      A highly original manipulation of misinformation and nonsense to come to a conclusion worthy of something from Alice in Wonderland.

  • @emanuel_soundtrack
    @emanuel_soundtrack 3 роки тому

    it meet my needs

  • @composer318
    @composer318 4 роки тому +2

    23:18

  • @antonioashkar8895
    @antonioashkar8895 3 роки тому +1

    00:56

  • @urixcorp4919
    @urixcorp4919 Рік тому

    Le requiem aeternam me donne envie d'apprendre la musique.
    I will begin with latin language.

  • @antonioashkar8895
    @antonioashkar8895 4 роки тому +1

    12:50

  • @nealkenney8267
    @nealkenney8267 2 роки тому

    I like this mass very much - except the parts for the brass.

  • @pablononescobar
    @pablononescobar 4 роки тому +3

    Woflgang Mozart and his father heard this piece--perhaps that's why it sounds a bit like Mozart's Requiem in D minor?

    • @thesuperintendentoffugues1144
      @thesuperintendentoffugues1144 3 роки тому

      Mozart himself didn’t even write half of his requiem as he died in the process

    • @0308frank
      @0308frank 2 роки тому

      @@thesuperintendentoffugues1144 To be fair, Mozart wrote all the great parts (at least sketchwise).

    • @elaineblackhurst1509
      @elaineblackhurst1509 2 роки тому

      @@0308frank
      Have a little listen to the Andante of Anfossi’s Sinfonia Venezia written in 1775, isn’t the Confutatis one of the ‘great parts’ ?
      (but it’s not by Mozart).

    • @rl-181
      @rl-181 11 місяців тому

      ​@@elaineblackhurst1509the exposition and progression are completely different from Mozart's "Confutatis".

    • @elaineblackhurst1509
      @elaineblackhurst1509 11 місяців тому +1

      @@rl-181
      Of course it is, but that’s not the point; Mozart has clearly borrowed Anfossi’s idea, but then done his own thing.
      My reply was directed at the comment that ‘…Mozart wrote all the great parts,’ which he did - but with my significant qualification.

  • @ezequielstepanenko3229
    @ezequielstepanenko3229 4 роки тому +38

    I feel like I've been listening to the wrong Haydn all these years

    • @MusiExplora
      @MusiExplora 4 роки тому +7

      I also think so, Michael Haydn was even more genius than Joseph ❤👍

    • @just4sax
      @just4sax 4 роки тому +3

      👍👍

    • @just4sax
      @just4sax 4 роки тому +9

      Michael Haydn encouraged Mozart to compose fuges in loads symphonies; his sacred works, symphonies and chamber had lots of impact on Mozart 👍😎

    • @MusiExplora
      @MusiExplora 4 роки тому

      👍

    • @elaineblackhurst1509
      @elaineblackhurst1509 4 роки тому +4

      Ezequiel Stepanenko
      You haven’t been listening to the wrong Haydn - both are worthy of a lifetime’s study, though only the older brother is a truly ‘A’ list composer.
      That said, Michael Haydn’s music is never less than than attractive and is always professionally composed; he has a very individual voice that appealed to Mozart, and in terms of religious music, was admired by his brother, Salzburg colleague (though not the father), and almost everyone else in Catholic Austria and South Germany.

  • @nvartandreassian8037
    @nvartandreassian8037 Рік тому

    and this reminds me Joseph Haydn last seven words of Christ .... but Monteverdi is not far , too

  • @VladVlad-ul1io
    @VladVlad-ul1io 4 роки тому +7

    Is it very difficult to make these videos?

    • @SPscorevideos
      @SPscorevideos  4 роки тому +9

      Well, it become easier every time. ;)

    • @VladVlad-ul1io
      @VladVlad-ul1io 4 роки тому +4

      @@SPscorevideos i see. Good luck forward!

  • @PushkaryovVsevolod
    @PushkaryovVsevolod 4 роки тому +1

    Это произведение посильнее будет Фауста Гёте.

  • @remomazzetti8757
    @remomazzetti8757 4 роки тому +6

    Interesting but Sussmayr's completion of Mozart's unfinished Requiem is much more inspired.

  • @emanuel_soundtrack
    @emanuel_soundtrack 3 роки тому

    pls space between the moviments, they are moviments of a mass btw

    • @SPscorevideos
      @SPscorevideos  3 роки тому

      There's space between movements...

    • @emanuel_soundtrack
      @emanuel_soundtrack 3 роки тому

      @@SPscorevideos from the first to second its only a pause, although at the beginning is maybe good to do attaca. I would give 5 secs at least for long major works in movements to assimilate the movements. Even in concerts there is this rush anyway, mostly piano

    • @emanuel_soundtrack
      @emanuel_soundtrack 3 роки тому

      basically the longer the movement is the more space is needed, but also other factors, depends on the score also. But the point is that many many cds just ignore this and put the pieces in rush after other, then it sounds like another part of the previous movment.

  • @zaftra
    @zaftra Рік тому

    That sounds like Gilbert and Sullivan at times, in danger of preferring it, on the whole, to Mozart s.

  • @saa82vik
    @saa82vik Рік тому

    you see where Mozart got inspiration, too.

  • @oldrichcepelka296
    @oldrichcepelka296 2 роки тому

    A totally grandiose work. With Mozart´s inspiration, of course.

    • @SPscorevideos
      @SPscorevideos  2 роки тому +8

      Mozart was 15 years old when Michael Haydn wrote this...

  • @faustoorieta
    @faustoorieta 11 місяців тому

    a lot of people saying mozart's kyrie from his famous requiem is based of this quam olim abrahae but it's actually much more likely that it was based from the kyrie of this requiem by zelenka
    ua-cam.com/video/27OtHTPdJhY/v-deo.html

    • @sdzhchannel
      @sdzhchannel 8 місяців тому

      The Kyrie eleison from Mozart's Requiem is usually said to have been loosely based on works by Händel (e.g. And with his stripes from the Messiah oratorio). I am unaware how well Zelenka was known outside of Saxony in the late 18th century.

    • @sdzhchannel
      @sdzhchannel 8 місяців тому

      Furthermore, there is no resemblance between Zelenka' s Kyrie and Mozart' s Kyrie apart from the key and the fact both are fugues; Zelenka' s theme lacks the distinctive diminished seventh jump or any of the jumps in the theme by Mozart; there is no upwards moving melismatic countersubject...
      On the other hand, there is a bafflingly identical element in the Dies irae of both works and this is the whole tone modulating arpeggio - F > F7 > G > G7 > A minor. You can hear it in the choir and in the oboes while in Mozart, it is set on Quantus tremor et futurus. I have no information whether the two works have some sort of connection.

    • @elaineblackhurst1509
      @elaineblackhurst1509 6 місяців тому

      @@sdzhchannel
      Bach, Handel, Mozart, and Haydn all used the ‘And With His Stripes’ motif; like so many such ideas* used multiple times by different composers, its origins are not really known.
      * The well-known do-re-fa-mi motif (or slight variant) was to my knowledge used five times by Mozart and four times by Haydn.

  • @aus822
    @aus822 3 роки тому +2

    The requiem aeternam is better than mozarts but mozarts dies irae cant be beat

  • @costicapopian
    @costicapopian 3 роки тому +1

    non ha nulla a che fare con Mozart, neppure una nota, tanto meno un accordo. e bello, comunque,....

    • @SPscorevideos
      @SPscorevideos  3 роки тому +3

      Diciamo che fra l'accusare di plagio e dire che non c'è neanche una nota in comune ci sono comunque dei gradi intermedi da prendere in considerazione. :)

    • @costicapopian
      @costicapopian 3 роки тому +1

      ​@@SPscorevideos Siete gentile, ma rimango al mio parere: neppure una nota, neppure un accordo. Ed accusare Mozart di plagio è calunnia corrente per i geni unici in tutti i rami, perfino per Gesù Cristo, ma si tratta di ignoranti o pagati apposta.....

    • @elaineblackhurst1509
      @elaineblackhurst1509 6 місяців тому

      @@costicapopian
      Pasquale Anfossi
      Sinfonia Venezia (1775)
      Il secondo movimento - Andante.
      Buon ascolto.

  • @windenergy6899
    @windenergy6899 5 місяців тому +1

    32:29

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