Thanks Luke buddy, appreciate it! The issue is the time they take. The last one wasn't even as finished as it could have been (I was going to score it musically and refine the SFX) and it still took an immense amount of hours to put together. It's not off the table, but unless someone is going to pay me to live while I make them, they just aren't feasible as a regular thing 😂 Thanks for watching! Liam
Oooh, this is another wonderfully close one. By skill Jamie has an edge, but Damon has a bit more experience. Jamie is better at focusing, but Damon has better kit. This is seriously, as you say, entirely going to depend on the tiniest external advantage being translated into a moment to make the final push. I would say that IF Damon stays calm then he probably just about takes it, but IF Jamie can draw it out a bit or get under Damon's skin he wins. Razor thin margins, and it likely ends up going something like 6:4 in the results.
Thanks Neo, I think you'll be in the minority like us with that opinion. Most are just going to say "but Jaime goat in skill, George says so Jaime stomps Daemon" 😂 It's the sort of match up that separates people whose fighting knowledge comes entirely from fiction (mainly anime) and people who have some real world experience. Skill only gets you so far or makes up for so much before other factors like size, equipment and psychology start taking over. Look at Gregor Vs Syrio Forel. Forel is undoubtedly vastly more skilled than Gregor, it's almost by a laughable margin. But in a fight? Gregors equipment, size and weaponry gives him such a monumental leg up Vs Syrio and his equipment that the dancing master is firmly on the back foot, possibly even outmatched by it. Don't get me wrong I still think Jaime takes it, but I thinks it's way closer than people think. Thanks for watching as always mate we appreciate it! Liam
I recognize this would be a difficult match-up to determine but Corlys Velaryon vs. Euron Greyjoy in a contest of who is the better captain? A battle between the Sea-Snake and Silence and the skills of their captains. Who is the better navigator, who is the better ship commander, and who has the better ship and crew. Does the Kraken devour the Seahorse or is Crow's Eye struck blind by the Sea Snake?
Honestly a fantastic suggestion that Caden! I think Thom would find that interesting as well! We might wait a bit though to see more of the sea snake in action and we might hold out just a wee bit more hope that we'll get Winds so we can really see what Eurons all about! It's a great suggestion though! Thanks for watching! Liam
"whos the better at sleeping with their close relatives?" in daemons defense, shit was normalized in his culture + he married rhaenyra for political purposes. jaime and cersei absolutely have no excuse whatsoever.
That is true in fairness, but do we mark Daemon up because he's following the rules or give it to Jaime because he's getting away with breaking them? 🤣 Thanks for watching as always buddy! Liam
I was thinking when I first clicked on the video that you couldn’t give Jamie Oath Keeper without losing his hand first. Fantastic idea, I hadn’t realised how close they actually would be
Aye you can't give Jaime Oath keeper without taking the hand, this is thrones the price must paid 😂 I think Jaime gets a little overrated due to fans taking George's statements about him being the Goat to mean he can't ever be bested in a fight. The same was said of Arthur Dayne and he was killed in combat just like any other man........as far as we know. The best of one era should realistically be able to stand with the best of another when PEDs aren't a thing 😂 Thank you for watching we really appreciate it! Liam
That's true, though it's still a two year war and I suspect there will have been plenty of on foot stuff. Jaime was really unlucky bless him to get taken out so early in TWOTFK. Imagine what he would have accomplished if not for Robs tactical brilliance. Thanks for watching! Liam
I feel that's a little unfair on Jon no? 😂 Criston is not out of the conversation for the best around for his time whereas Jon is good, but not hitting that top tier..............yet. Thanks for watching Ned! Liam
@@TheFandomeClips Ser Fistin' Pole sucks lol and I think the rogue Prince could beat Lamie Jannister 9 out of 10 times. Why do I say 9 out of 10 because there's always a chance that the rogue Prince could trip over a rock or have a boot come untied or something lol
@@Rebel_Lord_Taron First, Sir Crispin licks not sucks... Second no matter what you might think of him as a person, at that point in time he is a valid consideration for the stronges knight alive probably top 5 all things considered.
The same way that being a Lannister paid for all of Jaime's equipment and training, being a Targaryen gives Daemon a certain advantage as well. An advantage of the giant, flying, and fire-breathing variety.
Ah yeah my favourite channel is back with a bang. Hopefully when I finish my animated series on African history you will do videos like these for fans🎉🎉
Show : Daemon Book : Jaime via statements Daemon in the books got disarmed by Cole with morning star keep in mind disarming ≠ winning due skill and being better, also Daemon in the show has shown to be arguably the best in the show imo because he did won in 1vs1 against Cole and lost the mele due to flexing to the crowd and is shown to slash people like its nothing so Daemon (books) is underrated but show he's perfect, smart af when it comes to fighting, fights dirty and is not afraid to test his luck plus him jumping from Caraxes to Vhagar midair , removing Aemond helmet and killing him is by far the best feat in verse but the video doesn't include that part , great video and I love this channel ♥️
it's sad to know that the internet has completely wiped out realistic duels, nowadays people just think that a character is stronger or something, so he wins without difficulty, but these same people forget that these concepts were introduced in scenarios where fantasy is such that these terms make sense, but when we take into account a duel in a “realistic” universe, they simply don't make sense, because let's say that in an anime (or a very fantasy universe), the strongest character in the universe manages to beat almost everyone with a certain ease because the differences in power are immense, but in realistic universes the strongest can lose to almost anyone depending on the circumstances, no one is invincible in a realistic scenario, just look at arthur dayne, no fight of the strongest in a realistic universe results in an easy victory, almost all of them the two warriors have a chance of winning and losing, and these chances are closer together than most people think, because again people are used to concepts made for very fanciful duels, and forget how a realistic duel works.
One thing you could've mentioned in personality flaws is that Jamie was prone to awe. Jamie standing across from one of history's greatest swordsmen is going to effect him. Daemon doesn't give a shit who he has to kill. Jamie is prime Ali. Quick slick and Deadly. Daemon is prime Tyson. As Skillful but a fucking relentless hellbeast. The man is a SAVAGE. That is why I'd give it to Daemon. I pers
I think that's why the odds are so close for ethier, I don't even think Jaime winding Daemon up is a surefire tactic as it has the potential to just piss Daemon off into a frenzy that Jaime might not be ready for. Thanks for watching mate! Liam
@@TheFandomeClips oh tis way too close because this is the first of these videos where you're arguments haven't swayed me. And the only part I differ here is who the 6 out of ten goes to. Thank ye both for creating, Dónal.
yeah nah daemon was good but he was never ranked as the best of his era COLE WAS, daemon was just a white bull of his era sure hes good but no one gonna sing his praises as the best now if was blackfyre now then I can say hell yeah
It’s probably my hatred for Targaryens talking but my money goes to Jaime look forward to your videos as Always Also video suggestion Could Ned and Robert have stopped the Dothraki “and just for fun let’s put the Unsullied” if they had invaded when they were alive
Hey Alex thanks! You'll be getting your wish with regard to Ned when I get the script finished, the North is first up in our Drogo invading Westeros series! Thanks for watching buddy! Liam
I would have really liked to see Daemon take it, but I can't disagree that between the two volatile tempers in the room, Daemon is easily the more unpredictable and unstable. And if there was just one thing Jaime takes serious, it's a swordfight. But he'd better remember there are more legendary warriors all through the history of Westeros and Essos.
A spot-on assessment. Unlike my comment in the Viper vs. Kingslayer video, if both combatants were pregaming the day prior to the Trial by Combat, Daemon wouldn't necessarily resort to using poisons. I would say argue that he'd resort to using proxies to assassinate or otherwise maim Jaime prior to the fight (a la Blood and Cheese). Similar to the assassination attempt on Prince Aemond, Daemon's attempt would fail due to the quality of his proxies. Sending a rat-catcher and gold cloak to assassinate a highly skilled knight would be doomed to fail. However, a failure may be exactly what the Rogue Prince would want. Yes, Jaime would dispatch any would-be assassins, but the aftermath would force him to keep his guard up in the hours prior to the Trial by Combat. A well-rested Daemon would have factored this into keeping the Kingslayer off-balanced and fatigued. Jaime would still win, despite a handicap. He was able to give Brienne a fight, despite still being chained and having spent a year in captivity. A single restless night would barely take the top off his tank.
Greatjon vs Bronn. It‘s assumed that Bronn may have a shot vs the Mountain so it‘s interesting to see what he does to a a little bit smaller but also maybe a little smarter Greatjon. In this duel the physical category can finally be used
Problem is GreatJon is a much better fighter than Gregor and probably not as stupid. I feel like it would be even harder for Bronn lol Thanks for watching as always HK! Liam
Brilliant video guys, so glad I got to enjoy this on patreon early. Do you guys agree that dark sister (damons sword) actually makes the weilder more ruthless and blood thirsty ?
Hey Hayden good to see you! Just wait till you see what's going up early next, one of our best vids yet I think!!!! I'm not sure how much stock I put in theory but I definitely think the case is there. V-Steel weapons are magical at the end of the day and it's suspected there is blood sacrifice involved. Maybe they do take in the essence of who is sacrificed and it can taint the wielder. You know something buddy this sounds like a good quick video idea on all honesty! Thanks for watching buddy and the continued support we honestly appreciate it! Liam
@@thepunisher6674 Robert in his prime vs the Hound is tough. On prelim the Hound is probably more skilled, a little bit stronger and maybe more overall vicious. Maybe. Bobby B is the fury after all. And Bobby probably has more stamina, his hammer is useful kit and he fights a lot of bigger battles than Sandor does. As with most of the best matches this will either be over in seconds, or it’ll go to the judges.
Excellent video. I thought this would be a cop-out vid with the “too close to call” stuff but the way you explained everything… it is a bit too close to call. It is a “who wants it more today” kind of a matchup. But if we go for Daemon’s “win by all means necessary”, I’m pretty sure he’d fight Jamie with his dragon…. Unless the Jamie gets under Daemon’s skin and provoke him to fight mano-a-mano.
I did say to Thom this is a stomp, Jaime's good but he's not 1v1 Caraexes good, so we had to put that nerf in place 😂 Yeah I'm not a fan of those "it's too close, either will take it" conclusions you get in some Vs videos. There's always a way to get a winner even if it's just one more time in ten than the other. Thank you for watching Will we appreciate it! Liam
The Kingslayer had to deal with the Mad King constantly talking shit about his family for years while serving him and later had to deal with the endless lechery of his brother-in-law, the new king, against the Queen who was not only his sister but his lover. Jaime's honestly a paragon of restraint for what he endured as a Kingsguard, there's absolutely no chance Daemon would have endured the same for even an instant.
I'm afraid not. We're good pals with the guys at Hilts (and we're super happy for their recent success) and we love their Jaime Vs Daemon video, but that's more about who's a better character. This was just something we've had a lot of requests for in our Vs suggestions channel in our discord and me and Thom really like both characters so we thought why not for a bit of fun :) We try not to poach other channels ideas if we can help it (unless we think we can do something different with the idea) and they nailed their go at comparing the characters, our attempt would just be a poor imitation I think. Thanks for watching MC! Liam
That's probably a pretty good match up for Brienne! Vic is still a big guy and a savage warrior but not so big Brienne wouldn't be able to manage him. I'm keen to see what that black lava hand if his can do, as that might be a game changer! Thanks for watching Clint! Liam
I think Old Daemon might fare a little better, I think by the time he fights Aemond he's got a bit more chill and is a bit more at peace. When we've had the Godseye we might revisit this! Thanks for watching Sedriss! Liam
I don't know about that, you still had Selmy knocking around, Loras and Garlan are absolute beasts, there's Gregor and Sandor (and Sandor is supposedly to be a wickedly skilled swordsman) I think the bar was still pretty high, I'd always thought it was the kings guard who had declined, not the overall quality of Knights in general. Thanks you for watching! Liam
@ yea you got me there I was just thinking about the foes he had faced not being at the level he was at. He hasn’t faced selmy he may have Loras or garland in tournament but I think daemon definitely faced bigger foes in his life. And love the videos
You know that is more or less what Robert is thinking to about good'ol times [insert Renlys rent]. How much truth there lies in is a different question...with the exception of the kingsguard. The whole bunch was morally and the majority skillwise unfit for the position.
I think a few other characters have held that title though (including Jaime himself) whereas Rouge prince is unique to Daemon as best I remember. Thanks for watching buddy! Liam
Ah, if it isn't my favorite GoT youtubers. I wasn't expecting a new video before the annual mass Turkey sacrifice, but it is always welcomed. Jamie taking this win because of his ability to taunt feels very in line with Game of Thrones. Never underestimate the potency that Vicious Mockery can do to a person. The internet and online gaming prove that in spades.
Oh don't we know it matey 😂 one only has to take a look at the comments when they catch me or Thom having a bad day to know the impact of getting under someone's skin 😂 Thanks for watching as always buddy! Liam
I think Jamie’s physicality will play a decently big role in this fight. As you said most fights of this type (plate armoured sword fighters against each other) will often devolve into wrestling and grappling and I think that Jaimie being a bit bigger and a bit stronger will help him edge out Daemon more often than not when it comes to that.
Absolutely, I think if Jaime can get the sword out of Daemons hands and force them to go at it with their daggers his odds go way up. Strength and size becomes quite important at that point, especially if the agility gap isn't big . Still I wouldn't count Daemon out though, he might not have the body of a greek god but he's evidently got a shit ton of functional strength if we look at his feats. Thanks for watching Connor we appreciate it! Liam
I wonder if Daimon's reputation might push Jaime to giving it his all. Like he shows up knowing oh shit I'm fighting the Rogue prince! Gotta give it everything I have and not fuck around. If he goes in thinking it's just a random Valyrian he might get cocky and wrecked. But good video!
Thanks my insane highland friend! Yeah I think if Jaime knows before hand, Daemon is done for. Jaime when he's not clowning around could beat just about anything.......... assuming his sword doesn't get stuck that is 😂 thanks for watching as always mate we appreciate it! Liam
On first thought, it has to be Jaime, if only because we have more data on him. That chapter when Brienne fights him, if he was that quick after spending months chained up and still wearing shackles, then a Jaime at 100 percent must be nigh superhuman. Jaime has the advantage of directly comparing himself to Barristan and Arthur Dayne, as you point out. Daemon came of age at such a peaceful interval that there were few renowned warriors even alive, and those were largely old men. Even Criston Cole is more of a tourney knight, if only due to lack of opportunity. Personally I see no significant difference in their respective experience levels. That lack of notable opponents for Daemon again brings what would otherwise be an advantage down to parity. In terms of personality, Jaime at least is slightly more circumspect. I don't know if that's an advantage or not however, given Daemon's willingness to be a bit underhanded. The relative restraint might backfire. In the end, what would give the contest to Daemon is Dark Sister and a cunning move or two, since Jaime either matches or surpasses him in every category. This leads to the somewhat ambiguous conclusion that Jaime is the better warrior overall, but Daemon would be better in just the right ways to win...most of the time...probably. Say 65/35 odds in favor of Daemon.
You mentioned in passing Daemon gloating causing his loss to Cole, almost as if you are discounting the loss because of it. But that was a weakness of Daemon's (celebrating too soon), and we have seen it sink a number of great fighters across the series (Oberyn springs to mind). In my opinion it is a pretty glaring weakness - as much so as 'playing fair' would be.
@@robcahn7663 after that loss daemon never hesitated to kill on sight, plus in that setting it wasn’t life or death just a tourney, we see in the battle field daemon cuts down anything in his path without hesitation
Not quite buddy! If you take both show versions I'd say yes from what we're shown, but Book Jaime and Show Jaime are two totally different characters when it comes to fighting ability. Thanks for watching Josh! Liam
Before I watch the video I wanted to make a guess; the books seem to constantly note the greatest swordsman’s of all time were people like Arthur and Jaime is also in that category. I’ve never heard Daemon get compared to the GOATs and I’ve also never seen Jaime even speak about Daemon despite him being apart of a significant point in history. So my assumption is that while Daemon is extremely good, Jaime would win. The way Jaime is talked about makes him seem almost super human, much like the other GOATs of Westeros, and if he didn’t lose his hand he’d have likely just continued to grow in skill.
If you're asking "who is the best warrior?" Then Jaime. GRRM talks about him with the likes of Arthur Dayne and Barriston. Daemon, while talented and ruthless, isn't spoken about in the same light. However, in a fight, Daemon would likely win. He weilds a Valyrian steel sword and is certainly good enough to hang with Jaime. I would side with Daemon. Jaime tries to fight like his role model, Arthur Dayne. Daemon is his own role model. He doesn't fight with honor. He fights to win. That's the difference. I would side with Daemon
I'm not one for taking author statements as gospel if they aren't backed up by something that happens in the story, Authors have a bad habit of changing their mind depending on the day 😂 but I do like your assessment and I do agree in a lot of regards. Jaime has to be careful, like extremely careful. Daemon is a savage beyond savage, he'll do whatever he feels is appropriate to win, honour and fair play be dammed! Thanks for watching buddy! Liam
Daemon's father, Prince Balon was an excellent knight. Given the sword Dark Sister by his father Jahearys due to his superb skill. He slaughtered dozens of myrish pirates to avenge his brother (ignoring the hundreds he burnt on Vaghar)
The lore points to his father being a good warrior, but not something special from my interpretation. Whereas his grandfather was said to have been an extremely talented fighter, just not quite good enough to be on par with the kings guard (and this was back when the kingsguard actually meant you were one of the best fighters in the realm) Thanks for watching! Liam
I don't think Daemon will get provoked knowing The opponent he's fighting. Remember he always did it when he knew he can be against them . When they r weaker than him . He's cunning. He's confident but not overconfident. He's gonna win it with really high difficulty.
I always thought it was one of George's cruel masterstrokes of writing that we never truly got to see Jaime in action in the books before he loses his hand. The closest we get is when he takes on Brienne but even Brienne acknowledges that he's running on less than half his fuel tank, and he still nearly takes her down! It leaves us to try and make up the gap in our mind as to what he looks like at full strength which seems to be, he's nigh on unbeatable in a swordfight. Thanks for watching DK! Liam
@TheFandomeClips That's true we've only seen a few fights from him but maybe he'll get a magical gold hand or something in Winds of Winter/A Dream of Spring if Victatrion has something similar Jamie could get it too.
I think Turin might be a bit too much for the sword of the morning. Is Turin the guy who went toe to toe with a lotr dragon? Seems Dayne is a little out of his depth with that one. Would have to look more into though, we are looking at cross overs in the future! Thanks for watching! Liam
I have Jaime over Daemon with a 6:4, I think if Daemon didn’t have Dark Sister it’d be 7:3. I think Daemon is just that guy of his time, while Jaime is that guy of all time. Not to downplay Daemon, easily my second favorite ASOIAF character.
That's the big "what if" of the fight I think buddy. How much of a difference is that sword actually making and is it bridging the gap between Jaime and Daemon or is it helping Daemon suppass it? That's the fun thing to think about for me personally. In my opinion at minimum it bridges the skill gap between them, but it's interesting think what other advantages it might bring. Thanks for watching mate! Liam
I think it depends on how you define warrior, some say it's purely fighting skill I don't, I think it's a measure of fighting and their martial skill leading men. If it's through fighting skill alone, Jaime is going to completely wash Daemon 9 times out of 10 with the book version, show version Jaime still wins, but I'll say 8 times out of 10. (Daemon's plot armored charge on the Stepstones applies for the show) Now, as for leading men at martial skill, in the book and show, Jaime is shown to be pretty inept. Before the WOTFKS, it's never even said that he fought in the Greyjoy Rebellion at all, and if he did, he didn't lead any troops in invasions of the Islands In both he essentially takes command of a large army of Westermen and beats to small, unprepared, and badly commanded Riverlander armies, before falling for Robb Starks trap and spending most of the remaining war in a cell until Catelyn got dumb, now after it he does manage to take Riverrun through threatening Edmure (the weakest and dumbest Lord Tully in generations) but after that it seems like he's heading straight into Lady Stoneheart's hands. Now after he's free in the show, he's able to take over the Tyrells through trickery (the strategy makes no sense at all but the writers got dumb) but it also must be stated that the Tyrells most strategic bannermen betrayed them and joined Cersei, but then right after that his army gets completely ahilihated by Dany, her Dothraki, and dragons. After that, he goes back to King's Landing, where he is unable to convince his own countrymen to join him instead of staying with his sucopsthic sister, so he wasn't very inspiring either. Now, onto Daemon for the show, Daemon was made far better martially than he was in the book. He won the Stepstones War in 3 years or so (although it still should've been far shorter) and managed to keep control of it until the dance started. I won't talk about the dance for it, because it's not near finished. Now, in the book, Daemon isn't as martially skilled as he is in the show. The Stepstones War lasted around 10 years, and he still was never able to hold it, which caused him to abandon it. While in the Dance in the book, Daemon immediately siezes Harrenhal and unites the Riverlords quickly and fast and planning to surprise attack the Capitol and take it. However, after that, he essentially does nothing, I mean, he tries to get Aemond with Nettles helping him, but other than that, nothing. Then, when he finally is able to get Aemond, he realizes that he couldn't win and had to suicide himself to take Aemond out. So I'll say that in the books and show, Jaime clears Daemon in a swordfight and the better warrior fighting wise. However, if you go my a more expanded definition of a warrior, Daemon is just ahead of Jaime, in both the show and book so far. Now, if you take away Daemon's dragon, it's entirely possible that Jaime would be better, as Caraxes 100% is where much of Daemon's martial ability comes from.
Actually this match up has got me thinking have we ever seen someone with Valarian Steel lose a fight to someone with a normal sword, i can't think of a case off the top of my head, I mean i can certianly believe it's possible (I mean pretty much any swordsman vs Jeoffrey with Widowswail would be so one-sided its not even funny and Old Man Barriston could certianly do it hes just never had a chance) but have we seen it on screen or on page?
@joshthomasmoorenew Criston is leagues above him. The writers even confirmed it. (But you know those writers have a terrible way of showing what they mean)
Considering that Daemon was able to beat Christian Cole while drunk and that Cole and Jamie are carbon copies of each other this conclusion is pretty clear.
He didn't technically beat him though did he? His arrogance got the better of him. I do think Daemon has way more of a shot than people give him credit for. Dude is a savage! Thanks for watching David! Liam
Khal Drogo vs Oberyn Martell. I think that Drogo wins unless Oberyn has armour. Drogo is often underrated, and Oberyn a touch overrated. Drogo is just as quick as Oberyn,, probably more experenced and much stronger. Spears are great battle weapons, but not noted duel weapons.
I think Oberyn would butcher Drogo. He's one of Oberyns perfect victims (a bit like Robert Baratheon) You can't take a scratch against Oberyn or your dead thanks to his poison. Much like Bobby B Drogo doesn't seem to mind getting wounded and powering through, which is an absolute death sentence against the viper.
I don't know about that. His inner monologue in the books tells us he thinks he can wipe the floor with absolutely anyone, including top tier fighters like the Hound and monsters like Gregor Clegaine. That whole segment is him basically thinking "noone can beat me" If that's not overconfidence, I don't know what is. Thanks for watching buddy! Liam
He's definitely up there too! Hoping we'll get to see him in action in season 3! Would be awesome to be able to use a Stark in one of these match ups! Thanks for watching buddy! Liam
Yeah, the shows pretty bad, but if memory serves me right it's even more forceful in the books. Ethier way, not Jaime's best moment lol 😂 thanks for watching my poxy king! Liam
@@TheFandomeClips George is a great writer, and a very strange one, but hey if it weren't for him GoT and "the song of ice and fire" wouldn't of existed, which I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing *cough* season 5, 6, 7, and 8 *cough*. Not Georges fault but still. Why D and D, why? Anyways thank you, and y'alls team for making these videos, there really good, superb GoT content, and as a UA-cam connoisseur you can believe my word on that.
Before the Video: Jaime EASILY wins After the Video: Jaime loses due equipment, if not jaime takes High-Extreme Diff (As long as you aren't saying just shit) (I know they said that jaime would win due personality, but I disagree, because while its bad, it isn't bad enough to make up for a Valerian Steel sword)
But you've got to factor in the skill gap between them being in Jaime's favour. Daemons sword has to bridge that gap before it starts to become an advantage and that's one of the issues with judging this. How much of a skill gap does that sword compensate for? Thanks for watching! Liam
@@TheFandomeClips But it made a BIG impact on similar skill level (50-50 or 60-40 to nearly 100-nearly 0 I believe) and as you said youreself the skill diffrence, besides if you want to take it by 'milimeters', its pretty close (50-50/60-40 for Jaime), but I believe the 'buff' of Dark sister is bigger than the 'debuff' of his Anger (Daemon), its still fucking close, do not get me wrong here, but I believe, as I said, that Daemon has a slight edge (40-60, if not 55-45) Regards from Germany (excuse my grammar) Fabian
Definitely. The Lannisters especially could not have been casted better in my option Cara! Ultimately though you can be the best actor in the world, but none of that matters if you don't have material to work with. Thanks for watching as always! Liam
This has gotta be a joke, Jaime is a generational talent, Daemon was never once mentioned to be on the same league as people like Harwin Strong and Criston Cole
This is a bit if a silly match up, so i have no expectations of this being picked up, but how about a prime jaime vs Lion’el Johnson from warhammer 30k/40k, but instead of being in his primarch body he’s in a clone body of jaime that is physically identical as the prime jaime he will be fighting making it purely a contest of skill rather than factors like size or strength. How badly does The Lion trounce jaime? Kek
I think that is the premise really mate. It's not a case of who would win, but just how badly does Jaime lose 😂 Crossovers are in our future but I'm not sure about 40k Vs ASOIAF in terms of balance 😂 Thanks for watching Alex we appreciate it! Liam
Definitely think I'd favour Daemon! I'm not sure if Ned is really up there as a warrior, we'll never know until we get the REAL tower of joy scene 😉 thanks for watching as always buddy! Liam
It's not too close to call on adaptability, Daemon knew he was going into that fight and was effectively a one man ambush; Jaime road into an ambush and recovered. Those people serving the crab feeder do not compare in martial skill to the northerners in Jaime's way. Adaptability goes to Jaime.
Jaime didn't really recover though he went on a suicide run because he knew it was hopeless and the battle was lost etheir way and he failed in his attempt. You can also say the exact same thing happened to Daemon for the second half of his fight, he gets surrounded, the battle seems lost and then he recovers, but initially he failed in his attempt also. Your argument would be very solid if you were only counting the first half of Daemons run, but in the second half it's basically the same situation as it was for Jaime, but Daemon pulls it off (though like we said in the video, luck plays a role in both circumstances as to their success) They both tried to do a similar thing in a chaotic situation and they both performed very much on par with each other. Thanks for watching Brett! Liam
@TheFandomeClips it's the not the same in the second half of Daemon's run, because in the second half the Crab Feeders forces just got blindsided by dragons and an army, again being ambushed. The two situations are decidedly not the same with Daemon having an all around easier run of it.
I mean that's not an unfair assumption to make Aaron in fairness. HOTD came out the gate swinging, but S2? Those cracks started showing :/ thanks for watching mate! Liam
And what exactly backs that up besides a statement from the Author? (Something that should always be taken with a grain of salt) Side by side Jaime and Daemon (at least his show counterpart anyway) have pulled off similar feats. Why wouldn't Daemon as one of the best around during his time present a valid threat to Jaime? Skill contrary to popular belief does have a ceiling as to what it can do before it starts to lose its value and other factors like physicality, psychology and equipment come into play. Take the Mountain for instance. One of the scariest and most insurmountable opponents in the realm and a perfectly valid match for any of the most skilled warriors around, yet it's not because of his fighting skill. Thanks for watching! Liam
You should totally make more chapter readings!! The last one was so incredibly made.
Thanks Luke buddy, appreciate it! The issue is the time they take. The last one wasn't even as finished as it could have been (I was going to score it musically and refine the SFX) and it still took an immense amount of hours to put together.
It's not off the table, but unless someone is going to pay me to live while I make them, they just aren't feasible as a regular thing 😂
Thanks for watching! Liam
@@TheFandomeClips I agree with Luke you need to do more of those they are f****** awesome
Syrio Forel vs Khal Drogo
It's on the list buddy! Thanks for watching! Liam
Oooh, this is another wonderfully close one. By skill Jamie has an edge, but Damon has a bit more experience. Jamie is better at focusing, but Damon has better kit. This is seriously, as you say, entirely going to depend on the tiniest external advantage being translated into a moment to make the final push.
I would say that IF Damon stays calm then he probably just about takes it, but IF Jamie can draw it out a bit or get under Damon's skin he wins. Razor thin margins, and it likely ends up going something like 6:4 in the results.
Thanks Neo, I think you'll be in the minority like us with that opinion. Most are just going to say "but Jaime goat in skill, George says so Jaime stomps Daemon" 😂
It's the sort of match up that separates people whose fighting knowledge comes entirely from fiction (mainly anime) and people who have some real world experience. Skill only gets you so far or makes up for so much before other factors like size, equipment and psychology start taking over.
Look at Gregor Vs Syrio Forel. Forel is undoubtedly vastly more skilled than Gregor, it's almost by a laughable margin. But in a fight? Gregors equipment, size and weaponry gives him such a monumental leg up Vs Syrio and his equipment that the dancing master is firmly on the back foot, possibly even outmatched by it.
Don't get me wrong I still think Jaime takes it, but I thinks it's way closer than people think.
Thanks for watching as always mate we appreciate it! Liam
I recognize this would be a difficult match-up to determine but Corlys Velaryon vs. Euron Greyjoy in a contest of who is the better captain? A battle between the Sea-Snake and Silence and the skills of their captains. Who is the better navigator, who is the better ship commander, and who has the better ship and crew. Does the Kraken devour the Seahorse or is Crow's Eye struck blind by the Sea Snake?
Honestly a fantastic suggestion that Caden! I think Thom would find that interesting as well!
We might wait a bit though to see more of the sea snake in action and we might hold out just a wee bit more hope that we'll get Winds so we can really see what Eurons all about! It's a great suggestion though!
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@@TheFandomeClips To be completely honest I'm just happy to hear you like the idea! Keep up the amazing work.
"whos the better at sleeping with their close relatives?" in daemons defense, shit was normalized in his culture + he married rhaenyra for political purposes. jaime and cersei absolutely have no excuse whatsoever.
That is true in fairness, but do we mark Daemon up because he's following the rules or give it to Jaime because he's getting away with breaking them? 🤣
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Jaime was a Maverick
I was thinking when I first clicked on the video that you couldn’t give Jamie Oath Keeper without losing his hand first. Fantastic idea, I hadn’t realised how close they actually would be
Aye you can't give Jaime Oath keeper without taking the hand, this is thrones the price must paid 😂
I think Jaime gets a little overrated due to fans taking George's statements about him being the Goat to mean he can't ever be bested in a fight. The same was said of Arthur Dayne and he was killed in combat just like any other man........as far as we know.
The best of one era should realistically be able to stand with the best of another when PEDs aren't a thing 😂
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I agree but the think the experience gap would be small because I wonder how much of the conquest of the stepstones was spent riding Caraxes.
That's true, though it's still a two year war and I suspect there will have been plenty of on foot stuff. Jaime was really unlucky bless him to get taken out so early in TWOTFK. Imagine what he would have accomplished if not for Robs tactical brilliance.
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Criston cole vs jon snow! The line up we have been waiting for.
I feel that's a little unfair on Jon no? 😂 Criston is not out of the conversation for the best around for his time whereas Jon is good, but not hitting that top tier..............yet.
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@@TheFandomeClips Ser Fistin' Pole sucks lol and I think the rogue Prince could beat Lamie Jannister 9 out of 10 times. Why do I say 9 out of 10 because there's always a chance that the rogue Prince could trip over a rock or have a boot come untied or something lol
@@Rebel_Lord_Taron
First, Sir Crispin licks not sucks...
Second no matter what you might think of him as a person, at that point in time he is a valid consideration for the stronges knight alive probably top 5 all things considered.
@@3esiln first that is a matter of opinion.
Second I have my own opinion but I do respect you for yours.
The same way that being a Lannister paid for all of Jaime's equipment and training, being a Targaryen gives Daemon a certain advantage as well. An advantage of the giant, flying, and fire-breathing variety.
Ah yeah my favourite channel is back with a bang. Hopefully when I finish my animated series on African history you will do videos like these for fans🎉🎉
7:40 “being considered the best by the best.” is the smartest thing you’ve ever said haha. Awesome video guys, thanks!
Show : Daemon
Book : Jaime via statements
Daemon in the books got disarmed by Cole with morning star keep in mind disarming ≠ winning due skill and being better, also Daemon in the show has shown to be arguably the best in the show imo because he did won in 1vs1 against Cole and lost the mele due to flexing to the crowd and is shown to slash people like its nothing so Daemon (books) is underrated but show he's perfect, smart af when it comes to fighting, fights dirty and is not afraid to test his luck plus him jumping from Caraxes to Vhagar midair , removing Aemond helmet and killing him is by far the best feat in verse but the video doesn't include that part , great video and I love this channel ♥️
it's sad to know that the internet has completely wiped out realistic duels, nowadays people just think that a character is stronger or something, so he wins without difficulty, but these same people forget that these concepts were introduced in scenarios where fantasy is such that these terms make sense, but when we take into account a duel in a “realistic” universe, they simply don't make sense, because let's say that in an anime (or a very fantasy universe), the strongest character in the universe manages to beat almost everyone with a certain ease because the differences in power are immense, but in realistic universes the strongest can lose to almost anyone depending on the circumstances, no one is invincible in a realistic scenario, just look at arthur dayne, no fight of the strongest in a realistic universe results in an easy victory, almost all of them the two warriors have a chance of winning and losing, and these chances are closer together than most people think, because again people are used to concepts made for very fanciful duels, and forget how a realistic duel works.
Very great breakdown. Top marks!!
Thanks Gene we really appreciate the kind words! Thanks for watching as always buddy! Liam
Betting my life savings on Jaime winning
One thing you could've mentioned in personality flaws is that Jamie was prone to awe. Jamie standing across from one of history's greatest swordsmen is going to effect him.
Daemon doesn't give a shit who he has to kill.
Jamie is prime Ali. Quick slick and Deadly.
Daemon is prime Tyson. As Skillful but a fucking relentless hellbeast. The man is a SAVAGE.
That is why I'd give it to Daemon.
I pers
I think that's why the odds are so close for ethier, I don't even think Jaime winding Daemon up is a surefire tactic as it has the potential to just piss Daemon off into a frenzy that Jaime might not be ready for.
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@@TheFandomeClips oh tis way too close because this is the first of these videos where you're arguments haven't swayed me. And the only part I differ here is who the 6 out of ten goes to.
Thank ye both for creating, Dónal.
yeah nah daemon was good but he was never ranked as the best of his era COLE WAS, daemon was just a white bull of his era sure hes good but no one gonna sing his praises as the best now if was blackfyre now then I can say hell yeah
I don't know, but I'd be down to watch it play out!!
It’s probably my hatred for Targaryens talking but my money goes to Jaime look forward to your videos as Always
Also video suggestion Could Ned and Robert have stopped the Dothraki “and just for fun let’s put the Unsullied” if they had invaded when they were alive
Hey Alex thanks! You'll be getting your wish with regard to Ned when I get the script finished, the North is first up in our Drogo invading Westeros series!
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GREAT VIDEO!
Thanks Cara! We appreciate you always stopping by and tuning in! Liam
I would have really liked to see Daemon take it, but I can't disagree that between the two volatile tempers in the room, Daemon is easily the more unpredictable and unstable. And if there was just one thing Jaime takes serious, it's a swordfight. But he'd better remember there are more legendary warriors all through the history of Westeros and Essos.
Great video ❤
A spot-on assessment. Unlike my comment in the Viper vs. Kingslayer video, if both combatants were pregaming the day prior to the Trial by Combat, Daemon wouldn't necessarily resort to using poisons. I would say argue that he'd resort to using proxies to assassinate or otherwise maim Jaime prior to the fight (a la Blood and Cheese).
Similar to the assassination attempt on Prince Aemond, Daemon's attempt would fail due to the quality of his proxies. Sending a rat-catcher and gold cloak to assassinate a highly skilled knight would be doomed to fail.
However, a failure may be exactly what the Rogue Prince would want. Yes, Jaime would dispatch any would-be assassins, but the aftermath would force him to keep his guard up in the hours prior to the Trial by Combat. A well-rested Daemon would have factored this into keeping the Kingslayer off-balanced and fatigued.
Jaime would still win, despite a handicap. He was able to give Brienne a fight, despite still being chained and having spent a year in captivity. A single restless night would barely take the top off his tank.
Greatjon vs Bronn. It‘s assumed that Bronn may have a shot vs the Mountain so it‘s interesting to see what he does to a a little bit smaller but also maybe a little smarter Greatjon. In this duel the physical category can finally be used
Problem is GreatJon is a much better fighter than Gregor and probably not as stupid. I feel like it would be even harder for Bronn lol
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No announcement on the Discord? I almost missed this
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Brilliant video guys, so glad I got to enjoy this on patreon early. Do you guys agree that dark sister (damons sword) actually makes the weilder more ruthless and blood thirsty ?
Hey Hayden good to see you! Just wait till you see what's going up early next, one of our best vids yet I think!!!!
I'm not sure how much stock I put in theory but I definitely think the case is there. V-Steel weapons are magical at the end of the day and it's suspected there is blood sacrifice involved. Maybe they do take in the essence of who is sacrificed and it can taint the wielder.
You know something buddy this sounds like a good quick video idea on all honesty!
Thanks for watching buddy and the continued support we honestly appreciate it! Liam
Ill be honest I think their is, thanks for the response as always liam. You guys rock !!
@TheFandomeClips
A good robert matchup would be robert vs sandog possible or sandog vs the mountain
Or do something with daemon blackfyre
@@thepunisher6674 Robert in his prime vs the Hound is tough. On prelim the Hound is probably more skilled, a little bit stronger and maybe more overall vicious. Maybe. Bobby B is the fury after all. And Bobby probably has more stamina, his hammer is useful kit and he fights a lot of bigger battles than Sandor does.
As with most of the best matches this will either be over in seconds, or it’ll go to the judges.
Excellent video. I thought this would be a cop-out vid with the “too close to call” stuff but the way you explained everything… it is a bit too close to call. It is a “who wants it more today” kind of a matchup.
But if we go for Daemon’s “win by all means necessary”, I’m pretty sure he’d fight Jamie with his dragon…. Unless the Jamie gets under Daemon’s skin and provoke him to fight mano-a-mano.
I did say to Thom this is a stomp, Jaime's good but he's not 1v1 Caraexes good, so we had to put that nerf in place 😂
Yeah I'm not a fan of those "it's too close, either will take it" conclusions you get in some Vs videos. There's always a way to get a winner even if it's just one more time in ten than the other.
Thank you for watching Will we appreciate it! Liam
The Kingslayer had to deal with the Mad King constantly talking shit about his family for years while serving him and later had to deal with the endless lechery of his brother-in-law, the new king, against the Queen who was not only his sister but his lover. Jaime's honestly a paragon of restraint for what he endured as a Kingsguard, there's absolutely no chance Daemon would have endured the same for even an instant.
was this inspired by the our hits hurt video from a few months ago?
I'm afraid not. We're good pals with the guys at Hilts (and we're super happy for their recent success) and we love their Jaime Vs Daemon video, but that's more about who's a better character. This was just something we've had a lot of requests for in our Vs suggestions channel in our discord and me and Thom really like both characters so we thought why not for a bit of fun :)
We try not to poach other channels ideas if we can help it (unless we think we can do something different with the idea) and they nailed their go at comparing the characters, our attempt would just be a poor imitation I think.
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One match up i would love to see is victarion greyjoy vs brieanne. I dont know who will win but i know it would be a crazy fight
That's probably a pretty good match up for Brienne! Vic is still a big guy and a savage warrior but not so big Brienne wouldn't be able to manage him. I'm keen to see what that black lava hand if his can do, as that might be a game changer!
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Now i wonder what it would look with Old Daemon VS Jaime
I think Old Daemon might fare a little better, I think by the time he fights Aemond he's got a bit more chill and is a bit more at peace.
When we've had the Godseye we might revisit this!
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Deamond the knights of his time where a cut above the ones after the rebellion when Jamie came into his own after Dane’s gone.
I don't know about that, you still had Selmy knocking around, Loras and Garlan are absolute beasts, there's Gregor and Sandor (and Sandor is supposedly to be a wickedly skilled swordsman) I think the bar was still pretty high, I'd always thought it was the kings guard who had declined, not the overall quality of Knights in general.
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@ yea you got me there I was just thinking about the foes he had faced not being at the level he was at. He hasn’t faced selmy he may have Loras or garland in tournament but I think daemon definitely faced bigger foes in his life. And love the videos
You know that is more or less what Robert is thinking to about good'ol times [insert Renlys rent].
How much truth there lies in is a different question...with the exception of the kingsguard.
The whole bunch was morally and the majority skillwise unfit for the position.
I hate it when people say “rogue Prince” a better moniker is “the most dangerous man in Westeros”
I think a few other characters have held that title though (including Jaime himself) whereas Rouge prince is unique to Daemon as best I remember.
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Hell yeah!! Let's Go!!!!!!!!
Pleas could you do the hound vs bronn good ser 🤔
Ah, if it isn't my favorite GoT youtubers. I wasn't expecting a new video before the annual mass Turkey sacrifice, but it is always welcomed.
Jamie taking this win because of his ability to taunt feels very in line with Game of Thrones.
Never underestimate the potency that Vicious Mockery can do to a person. The internet and online gaming prove that in spades.
Oh don't we know it matey 😂 one only has to take a look at the comments when they catch me or Thom having a bad day to know the impact of getting under someone's skin 😂
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daemon got merked by cole twice how is this even fair
FIRST COMMMMENT!!
I think Jamie’s physicality will play a decently big role in this fight. As you said most fights of this type (plate armoured sword fighters against each other) will often devolve into wrestling and grappling and I think that Jaimie being a bit bigger and a bit stronger will help him edge out Daemon more often than not when it comes to that.
Absolutely, I think if Jaime can get the sword out of Daemons hands and force them to go at it with their daggers his odds go way up. Strength and size becomes quite important at that point, especially if the agility gap isn't big . Still I wouldn't count Daemon out though, he might not have the body of a greek god but he's evidently got a shit ton of functional strength if we look at his feats.
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I wonder if Daimon's reputation might push Jaime to giving it his all. Like he shows up knowing oh shit I'm fighting the Rogue prince! Gotta give it everything I have and not fuck around. If he goes in thinking it's just a random Valyrian he might get cocky and wrecked. But good video!
Thanks my insane highland friend! Yeah I think if Jaime knows before hand, Daemon is done for. Jaime when he's not clowning around could beat just about anything.......... assuming his sword doesn't get stuck that is 😂 thanks for watching as always mate we appreciate it! Liam
On first thought, it has to be Jaime, if only because we have more data on him. That chapter when Brienne fights him, if he was that quick after spending months chained up and still wearing shackles, then a Jaime at 100 percent must be nigh superhuman.
Jaime has the advantage of directly comparing himself to Barristan and Arthur Dayne, as you point out. Daemon came of age at such a peaceful interval that there were few renowned warriors even alive, and those were largely old men. Even Criston Cole is more of a tourney knight, if only due to lack of opportunity.
Personally I see no significant difference in their respective experience levels. That lack of notable opponents for Daemon again brings what would otherwise be an advantage down to parity.
In terms of personality, Jaime at least is slightly more circumspect. I don't know if that's an advantage or not however, given Daemon's willingness to be a bit underhanded. The relative restraint might backfire.
In the end, what would give the contest to Daemon is Dark Sister and a cunning move or two, since Jaime either matches or surpasses him in every category. This leads to the somewhat ambiguous conclusion that Jaime is the better warrior overall, but Daemon would be better in just the right ways to win...most of the time...probably. Say 65/35 odds in favor of Daemon.
Could Lord Denethor, Faramir and Boromir survive the war of the five kings.
I mean we know rhe answer for Boromir...
You mentioned in passing Daemon gloating causing his loss to Cole, almost as if you are discounting the loss because of it. But that was a weakness of Daemon's (celebrating too soon), and we have seen it sink a number of great fighters across the series (Oberyn springs to mind). In my opinion it is a pretty glaring weakness - as much so as 'playing fair' would be.
@@robcahn7663 after that loss daemon never hesitated to kill on sight, plus in that setting it wasn’t life or death just a tourney, we see in the battle field daemon cuts down anything in his path without hesitation
I mean........ Daemon did lose that round because of his arrogance and temper. I don't really think we discounted it 😂
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2:24 So Matt Smith wins the contest for sword skill.
Not quite buddy! If you take both show versions I'd say yes from what we're shown, but Book Jaime and Show Jaime are two totally different characters when it comes to fighting ability.
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Before I watch the video I wanted to make a guess; the books seem to constantly note the greatest swordsman’s of all time were people like Arthur and Jaime is also in that category. I’ve never heard Daemon get compared to the GOATs and I’ve also never seen Jaime even speak about Daemon despite him being apart of a significant point in history. So my assumption is that while Daemon is extremely good, Jaime would win. The way Jaime is talked about makes him seem almost super human, much like the other GOATs of Westeros, and if he didn’t lose his hand he’d have likely just continued to grow in skill.
Pretty spot on guess of what we say about their skill and training in fairness! 😂 Thanks for watching matey! Liam
If you're asking "who is the best warrior?" Then Jaime. GRRM talks about him with the likes of Arthur Dayne and Barriston. Daemon, while talented and ruthless, isn't spoken about in the same light. However, in a fight, Daemon would likely win. He weilds a Valyrian steel sword and is certainly good enough to hang with Jaime. I would side with Daemon. Jaime tries to fight like his role model, Arthur Dayne. Daemon is his own role model. He doesn't fight with honor. He fights to win. That's the difference. I would side with Daemon
I'm not one for taking author statements as gospel if they aren't backed up by something that happens in the story, Authors have a bad habit of changing their mind depending on the day 😂 but I do like your assessment and I do agree in a lot of regards. Jaime has to be careful, like extremely careful. Daemon is a savage beyond savage, he'll do whatever he feels is appropriate to win, honour and fair play be dammed! Thanks for watching buddy! Liam
Daemon's father, Prince Balon was an excellent knight. Given the sword Dark Sister by his father Jahearys due to his superb skill. He slaughtered dozens of myrish pirates to avenge his brother (ignoring the hundreds he burnt on Vaghar)
The lore points to his father being a good warrior, but not something special from my interpretation. Whereas his grandfather was said to have been an extremely talented fighter, just not quite good enough to be on par with the kings guard (and this was back when the kingsguard actually meant you were one of the best fighters in the realm)
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I don't think Daemon will get provoked knowing The opponent he's fighting.
Remember he always did it when he knew he can be against them . When they r weaker than him .
He's cunning. He's confident but not overconfident. He's gonna win it with really high difficulty.
A pity how they would do jousting didn't make it in, or how they would do with swords while ahorse.
Best of Westeros vs best of Esos?!
Daemon was good but Jamie was the best⚔️
I always thought it was one of George's cruel masterstrokes of writing that we never truly got to see Jaime in action in the books before he loses his hand. The closest we get is when he takes on Brienne but even Brienne acknowledges that he's running on less than half his fuel tank, and he still nearly takes her down!
It leaves us to try and make up the gap in our mind as to what he looks like at full strength which seems to be, he's nigh on unbeatable in a swordfight.
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@TheFandomeClips That's true we've only seen a few fights from him but maybe he'll get a magical gold hand or something in Winds of Winter/A Dream of Spring if Victatrion has something similar Jamie could get it too.
BOBBY B V MAEGOR!!!!!!!
I'm happy to make a 20 mins video on how to make a fine red paste of Maegor, I'll have to run it by Thom though! Thanks for watching Ronnie! Liam
I have an Ibea Arthur Dayne (GoT) vs Túrin Turambar (Lotr)
I think Turin might be a bit too much for the sword of the morning. Is Turin the guy who went toe to toe with a lotr dragon? Seems Dayne is a little out of his depth with that one.
Would have to look more into though, we are looking at cross overs in the future! Thanks for watching! Liam
I have Jaime over Daemon with a 6:4, I think if Daemon didn’t have Dark Sister it’d be 7:3. I think Daemon is just that guy of his time, while Jaime is that guy of all time. Not to downplay Daemon, easily my second favorite ASOIAF character.
That's the big "what if" of the fight I think buddy. How much of a difference is that sword actually making and is it bridging the gap between Jaime and Daemon or is it helping Daemon suppass it? That's the fun thing to think about for me personally. In my opinion at minimum it bridges the skill gap between them, but it's interesting think what other advantages it might bring.
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I mean Baelon the Brave also wielded Dark Sister and cut down hundreds of myrmen on Tarth, so why would you consider him a middling swordsman?
I think it depends on how you define warrior, some say it's purely fighting skill I don't, I think it's a measure of fighting and their martial skill leading men.
If it's through fighting skill alone, Jaime is going to completely wash Daemon 9 times out of 10 with the book version, show version Jaime still wins, but I'll say 8 times out of 10. (Daemon's plot armored charge on the Stepstones applies for the show)
Now, as for leading men at martial skill, in the book and show, Jaime is shown to be pretty inept. Before the WOTFKS, it's never even said that he fought in the Greyjoy Rebellion at all, and if he did, he didn't lead any troops in invasions of the Islands
In both he essentially takes command of a large army of Westermen and beats to small, unprepared, and badly commanded Riverlander armies, before falling for Robb Starks trap and spending most of the remaining war in a cell until Catelyn got dumb, now after it he does manage to take Riverrun through threatening Edmure (the weakest and dumbest Lord Tully in generations) but after that it seems like he's heading straight into Lady Stoneheart's hands. Now after he's free in the show, he's able to take over the Tyrells through trickery (the strategy makes no sense at all but the writers got dumb) but it also must be stated that the Tyrells most strategic bannermen betrayed them and joined Cersei, but then right after that his army gets completely ahilihated by Dany, her Dothraki, and dragons. After that, he goes back to King's Landing, where he is unable to convince his own countrymen to join him instead of staying with his sucopsthic sister, so he wasn't very inspiring either.
Now, onto Daemon for the show, Daemon was made far better martially than he was in the book. He won the Stepstones War in 3 years or so (although it still should've been far shorter) and managed to keep control of it until the dance started. I won't talk about the dance for it, because it's not near finished.
Now, in the book, Daemon isn't as martially skilled as he is in the show. The Stepstones War lasted around 10 years, and he still was never able to hold it, which caused him to abandon it.
While in the Dance in the book, Daemon immediately siezes Harrenhal and unites the Riverlords quickly and fast and planning to surprise attack the Capitol and take it. However, after that, he essentially does nothing, I mean, he tries to get Aemond with Nettles helping him, but other than that, nothing. Then, when he finally is able to get Aemond, he realizes that he couldn't win and had to suicide himself to take Aemond out.
So I'll say that in the books and show, Jaime clears Daemon in a swordfight and the better warrior fighting wise.
However, if you go my a more expanded definition of a warrior, Daemon is just ahead of Jaime, in both the show and book so far.
Now, if you take away Daemon's dragon, it's entirely possible that Jaime would be better, as Caraxes 100% is where much of Daemon's martial ability comes from.
Kinda funny They were almost distant relatives
Jamie, haven't even watched but I swear if it ain't Jaime I am going to rage
How rude, cutting you off at the end. Thats 15 paddlings.
Haha I think that's Thom trying to cut my ramblings lol
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For the record, Daemon wins that other category.
Which one?
@ bloodline buggery.
🤣🤣🤣 that is fair enough my friend, maybe one day we will make a episode that goes into depth with it.
Thanks for watching buddy! Liam
Damon wins on volume/variety but Jamie wins cause twin has to top niece & cousin
@ I was more thinking how the two actually care about each other… kinda, it’s a less toixc relationship… kinda, it’s a low bar.
yay more v-tuber Liam
Thom is slowly but sure working out the kinks bless him 🤣
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Actually this match up has got me thinking have we ever seen someone with Valarian Steel lose a fight to someone with a normal sword, i can't think of a case off the top of my head, I mean i can certianly believe it's possible (I mean pretty much any swordsman vs Jeoffrey with Widowswail would be so one-sided its not even funny and Old Man Barriston could certianly do it hes just never had a chance) but have we seen it on screen or on page?
Criston washed Daemon.
@@Aaron_Guest That was more more Daemon turning his back to showoff before the battle was done.
@joshthomasmoorenew Criston is leagues above him. The writers even confirmed it. (But you know those writers have a terrible way of showing what they mean)
Considering that Daemon was able to beat Christian Cole while drunk and that Cole and Jamie are carbon copies of each other this conclusion is pretty clear.
He didn't technically beat him though did he? His arrogance got the better of him.
I do think Daemon has way more of a shot than people give him credit for. Dude is a savage!
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Khal Drogo vs Oberyn Martell.
I think that Drogo wins unless Oberyn has armour. Drogo is often underrated, and Oberyn a touch overrated. Drogo is just as quick as Oberyn,, probably more experenced and much stronger. Spears are great battle weapons, but not noted duel weapons.
I think Oberyn would butcher Drogo. He's one of Oberyns perfect victims (a bit like Robert Baratheon)
You can't take a scratch against Oberyn or your dead thanks to his poison. Much like Bobby B Drogo doesn't seem to mind getting wounded and powering through, which is an absolute death sentence against the viper.
Jamie is not overconfident when it comes to sword fight he was as a battle commander
I don't know about that. His inner monologue in the books tells us he thinks he can wipe the floor with absolutely anyone, including top tier fighters like the Hound and monsters like Gregor Clegaine. That whole segment is him basically thinking "noone can beat me"
If that's not overconfidence, I don't know what is.
Thanks for watching buddy! Liam
Jamie…his name is…Jamie
I heard that Cregan stark was also powerful and possibly just as good if not better than cristion or daemon
He's definitely up there too! Hoping we'll get to see him in action in season 3! Would be awesome to be able to use a Stark in one of these match ups!
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Jaimie
How do u know that kings guards didn't teach the dragon prince
Daemon also single handedly took Harrenhall
😂 in the show I don't think it can be argued that it was all that impressive of a feat
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0:30 that... that is something I didn't know about GoT... right next to your sons corpse, like what the hell.
Yeah, the shows pretty bad, but if memory serves me right it's even more forceful in the books. Ethier way, not Jaime's best moment lol 😂 thanks for watching my poxy king! Liam
@@TheFandomeClips George is a great writer, and a very strange one, but hey if it weren't for him GoT and "the song of ice and fire" wouldn't of existed, which I don't know if that's a good thing or a bad thing *cough* season 5, 6, 7, and 8 *cough*. Not Georges fault but still. Why D and D, why? Anyways thank you, and y'alls team for making these videos, there really good, superb GoT content, and as a UA-cam connoisseur you can believe my word on that.
Before the Video: Jaime EASILY wins
After the Video: Jaime loses due equipment, if not jaime takes High-Extreme Diff
(As long as you aren't saying just shit)
(I know they said that jaime would win due personality, but I disagree, because while its bad, it isn't bad enough to make up for a Valerian Steel sword)
But you've got to factor in the skill gap between them being in Jaime's favour.
Daemons sword has to bridge that gap before it starts to become an advantage and that's one of the issues with judging this.
How much of a skill gap does that sword compensate for?
Thanks for watching! Liam
@@TheFandomeClips But it made a BIG impact on similar skill level (50-50 or 60-40 to nearly 100-nearly 0 I believe) and as you said youreself the skill diffrence, besides if you want to take it by 'milimeters', its pretty close (50-50/60-40 for Jaime), but I believe the 'buff' of Dark sister is bigger than the 'debuff' of his Anger (Daemon), its still fucking close, do not get me wrong here, but I believe, as I said, that Daemon has a slight edge (40-60, if not 55-45)
Regards from Germany (excuse my grammar)
Fabian
The cast of GOT was perfection, but...yeah...as for the story, the books are FAR superior!
Definitely. The Lannisters especially could not have been casted better in my option Cara! Ultimately though you can be the best actor in the world, but none of that matters if you don't have material to work with.
Thanks for watching as always! Liam
This has gotta be a joke, Jaime is a generational talent, Daemon was never once mentioned to be on the same league as people like Harwin Strong and Criston Cole
Would make for a boring video, but caraxes should definitely count, it's a warfare tool the same as a sword, only a touch more powerful 😂
This is a bit if a silly match up, so i have no expectations of this being picked up, but how about a prime jaime vs Lion’el Johnson from warhammer 30k/40k, but instead of being in his primarch body he’s in a clone body of jaime that is physically identical as the prime jaime he will be fighting making it purely a contest of skill rather than factors like size or strength. How badly does The Lion trounce jaime? Kek
I think that is the premise really mate. It's not a case of who would win, but just how badly does Jaime lose 😂
Crossovers are in our future but I'm not sure about 40k Vs ASOIAF in terms of balance 😂
Thanks for watching Alex we appreciate it! Liam
Daemon vs prime Ned?
Definitely think I'd favour Daemon! I'm not sure if Ned is really up there as a warrior, we'll never know until we get the REAL tower of joy scene 😉 thanks for watching as always buddy! Liam
@@TheFandomeClips could Boromir take on Dameon or Possibly Jamie?
It's not too close to call on adaptability, Daemon knew he was going into that fight and was effectively a one man ambush; Jaime road into an ambush and recovered. Those people serving the crab feeder do not compare in martial skill to the northerners in Jaime's way.
Adaptability goes to Jaime.
Jaime didn't really recover though he went on a suicide run because he knew it was hopeless and the battle was lost etheir way and he failed in his attempt.
You can also say the exact same thing happened to Daemon for the second half of his fight, he gets surrounded, the battle seems lost and then he recovers, but initially he failed in his attempt also.
Your argument would be very solid if you were only counting the first half of Daemons run, but in the second half it's basically the same situation as it was for Jaime, but Daemon pulls it off (though like we said in the video, luck plays a role in both circumstances as to their success)
They both tried to do a similar thing in a chaotic situation and they both performed very much on par with each other.
Thanks for watching Brett! Liam
@TheFandomeClips it's the not the same in the second half of Daemon's run, because in the second half the Crab Feeders forces just got blindsided by dragons and an army, again being ambushed. The two situations are decidedly not the same with Daemon having an all around easier run of it.
Hey......guess what I'm about to suggest for the next match up.....
Dew it Adam! 😂
@TheFandomeClips Olenna Tyrell v. Tywin Lannister! Who is the better head of household!?
The right man won
Why thank you Maikenlsten! Thanks for watching! Liam
Sorry, but this seems to be missing Stannis
That character talks like Beavis and Butthead 🤣
Oi you leave virtual Liam alone!!! He's only a baby and he's still learning how to move his mouth and arms 😂 thanks for watching mate! Liam
Daemon is 28??? That’s a rough 28
Not half eh? 😂 Thanks for watching! Liam
@ just reminded me I didn’t finish this on my lunch break, thank you! 😅
All this video has confirmed for me is that house of the dragon isn’t as good as GOT
I mean that's not an unfair assumption to make Aaron in fairness. HOTD came out the gate swinging, but S2? Those cracks started showing :/ thanks for watching mate! Liam
how is this even a video? jaime is one of the top 5 best fighters in the history of westeros
And what exactly backs that up besides a statement from the Author? (Something that should always be taken with a grain of salt)
Side by side Jaime and Daemon (at least his show counterpart anyway) have pulled off similar feats. Why wouldn't Daemon as one of the best around during his time present a valid threat to Jaime? Skill contrary to popular belief does have a ceiling as to what it can do before it starts to lose its value and other factors like physicality, psychology and equipment come into play.
Take the Mountain for instance. One of the scariest and most insurmountable opponents in the realm and a perfectly valid match for any of the most skilled warriors around, yet it's not because of his fighting skill.
Thanks for watching! Liam
BOBBY B V MAEGOR!!!!