They just need to remake Umineko honestly. They can have two seasons of it if they like. I just wish they’d be able to take their time like how the visual novel masterfully does it.
4 seasons would be better imo. This story needs that length. No matter how good it is, it can't fit all the important content in 2 seasons. (Edit: Or how about like... 6 seasons?!)
Umineko might be too figurative for an anime. A visual novel is fine because it's mostly words and plays with them but how can you animate it correctly?
Funfact: In the original novel, the "cat" only breaks the vase after one hour, not immediately. And yes, that's important. While the novel leaves this scene open for interpretation, the manga actually explains it in the last arc.
@@EGO_200 No, "Virgilia", or Kumasawa made the Princess close her eyes and imagine the vase being fixed with magic. In reality, she didn't fix it, but lied to the other servants that a cat broke it. "Endless magic" is the ability to create a situation, where an endless amount of scenarios are true at the same time, such as in Rokkenjimagate.
@@EGO_200 LOL NICE! XD (I have no idea. I haven't read the VNs/manga yet. Hope to start later this year. But it sounds like a great question whether you're serious or you're joking. I have no idea which is bad, which is good, which is better, but to me, they sound both great.)
Love it, if you deny the magic, it's just Virgilia and Beato keeping quiet about the vase, it was just a coincidence (or a miracle) that after it broke the cat entered, and they could just blame it on him. The servant arrived after the cat had supposedly broken the vase, she just saw the shards and assumed it was the cat.
Actually, the answer is spoilers: Kumasawa just lied. There was no cat. Kumasawa, as the elder servant, was believed by the others. It is one of the methods of magic, telling a good narrative.
@@Fragmentsinfractals488 I'm talking about the scene right here, the anime adaptation. I know the novel is different, but even if its a coincidence, when adapted and slightly changed it still makes sense. 01:26 You can hear the servant following the cat. In the novel Beato and Virgilia re-enter the mansion after the servants found the broken vase. (And I prefer calling them like that to avoid spoilers)
@BluesyCeiling23 Yeah, but Umineko was voiced by 3 JoJo's... Ronove is Joseph Joestar, Krauss is Jotaro in OVA, and Battler is Daisuke Ono, aka Jotaro. They might be pricy to get back
@BluesyCeiling23 I think its all about how well Higurashi Gou will be received in Japan , im sure Ryukishi07 is all good friends with the old cast though. It would take a miracle (and a witch or two) to make a good adaptation now wouldn't it? ;)
The problem is that the Anime never established a clear way of identifying the Clue *Mystery Scenes* that are used to fuel Blue Truth vs the Magic *Fantasy Scenes* that fuel Red Truth. And Battler already witnessed something impossible in the first episode that neither his piece nor his immediate meta-piece (soul) witnessed before learning the truth. Making the game impossible to beat.
SPOILERS: Please do not read if you wish to experience the VN/Anime blindly. ----------- The problem if you are curious is that in the VN he only Heard that Shannon and Kanon were both present in a room with the accomplices both vouching that it was true. However, in the Anime, Battler (supposed to have objective sight) witnessed Shannon and Kanon in the same room first hand. Which means that they must have independent bodies and aren't manifested by Yasuda at different times to manufacture Alibis.
Notice how it's a *black cat* that broke the vase after Virgilia--who was Beatrice at the time--fixed it after being broken the 1st time. Tried as hard as she could, but Beato could never find a happy ending for herself. Bernkastel, the Witch of Miracles made sure of that.
@@dkikkazy9524 the truth she herself made true. In official Umineko manga, Bern was the one who made little Ange suspicious of Eva. If Bern kept her shit with herself, at least Eva and Ange would have lived as a happy family.
@@resurrectedreplayer6464 Okay this was confirmed in the Episode 8 manga but Virginia is supposed to be a fantasy version of Kumasawa. Basically Yasu accidentally broke a vase and Kumasawa helped cover it up to make sure she didn’t get in trouble for it
@@SiRenfield I haven’t read manga but finished the visual novel. I’m confused how this girl can be yasuda as yasuda didn’t know the existence of the building at this age.
@@SiRenfield this is literally happening in Kuwadorian, Yasu had never been to kuwadorian, I don't care what the manga says, the vn literally says when she figures the epitaph out that she had never been in kuwadorian and that she had no idea that place had ever existed before.
At first I thought this scene was a flashback of beato past before she was a witch and we were going to know the witch past in future chapters After finishing reading umineko I realized this isn't the witch past This Beatrice is the one who Rosa encounter in her youth
No. That's not Kuwadorian Beatrice. Kuwadorian Beatrice never held any interest in magic. This is an embellished account of the culprit's past from EP7.
Umineko has plenty of references of other fairy tales : Cinderella, Snow White, Little Red Riding Hood, I can explain which anime parts are so familiar with these titles.
The anti fantasy theory or version of her story is very tragic and fucked up. I can see what ryukishi is trying to do in letting the gamer or reader decide which version is real similar to life of pi
The magic version is there to escape from reality. Do you want to expose the nasty side of a family that could have been otherwise wholesome and beautiful? Or blame everything on the supernatural and witches? The ultimate theme here is love. And love is something both real and magical.
yep, Beatrice is the game master here so she can show whatever she wants to Battler. But if we get a bit spoilery, she isnt really supposed to remember that unless shes delusional
did you finish umineko? if so then here is my theory Kumasawa is acting as a witch of some sort in order to amuse the 2nd Beatrice, Kinzo and the 1st Beatrice was in love with the idea of love and witches, Kumasawa could have wanted to incorporate that aspect into young beatrice
nope its perfectly legal since its just like a regular game walkthrough, if it isnt its not on you to worry but the creator. Its pretty long tho. just search it up on youtube Umineko EP1 gameplay and find a creator which suits you
I understand that the actress who played voice actress who played Takano on the series that this anime spun off on could it be that Beatrice is a is a alter Ego of Takano maybe all the negative stuff that she felt manifested herself similar to how Rick is going to do in the new series just a little Theory I thought I don't think it's coincidence I think it was meant for fans to kind of draw the conclusion to that
The non-magic interpretation is that Beatrice broke a vase. Virgilia (= Kumasawa) told Beatrice to believe that the vase did not break. A miracle happened: a cat run into the room and the servant was convinced it broke the vase. Thus, as no one saw Beatrice breaking the vase, the cat theory became truth. The scene we just saw may be an illusion but it became truth. But I am realizing that I am betraying the message of Umineko by exposing what happened behind magic.
I'm a bit confused on how magic or their world works? So is everything happening real or they were just some sort of hallucination or just a creative way of telling the story?
Magic is anything that happens that cannot be explained through conventional means. If you can explain it, it's not magic. If you cannot explain it, it's magic. If you CHOOSE not to explain it, it's magic.
Mm... imagine it like Schrodinger's Cat. While something is not observed it is both happening and not happening at the same time. Magic only exists when it cannot be observed and can only be 'witnessed' by an unreliable party. i.e. Lies and trickery. So long as someone's not there to witness it, then that third party can say that 'X' happened even if it was actually 'Y' that happened. So instead of 'I saw the butler stab the woman through the eye' it becomes 'I saw the witch use her servants to gouge out the woman's eye'.
The comment above, but I advise you to either read the manga or the VN. I haven't watched the anime yet, so feel free to ignore my advice. But I have read the VN and I heard the anime is really bad
Oh my god, I only watched the anime and reading the comments on some of the vids, the wiki etc. I just realised that the anime story is not even 10% of the vn story and Im glad cuz I didnt know wtf was happening in the anime, nothing made any sense and Im so sad that I wanted my time with it when they've explained nothing
The anime is OK. It is entertaining, very good at times but messy overall. You can watch it, I assure you that you will not be bored! The problem is that as an adaptation of a VN, it is a disapointed adaptation.
@@commentreader3944 it was. The only good thing was the opening and ending songs. And the final episode they make it to the golden land or some shit like that
@@commentreader3944 I thought they only adapted half of the VN? I only watched two episodes of the anime but I think they pushed an entire episode of the VN (roughly 10-20 hours) in the first anime episode. So yeah it is bad
![[Higurashi Eng Dub] Keiichi Remembers](/img/n.gif)
They just need to remake Umineko honestly. They can have two seasons of it if they like. I just wish they’d be able to take their time like how the visual novel masterfully does it.
4 seasons would be better imo. This story needs that length. No matter how good it is, it can't fit all the important content in 2 seasons.
(Edit: Or how about like... 6 seasons?!)
Umineko might be too figurative for an anime. A visual novel is fine because it's mostly words and plays with them but how can you animate it correctly?
@@sirlezard670 creatively
@@jongyon7192p 8 Seasons per Episode
12 anime episode for each story episodes
Funfact: In the original novel, the "cat" only breaks the vase after one hour, not immediately. And yes, that's important.
While the novel leaves this scene open for interpretation, the manga actually explains it in the last arc.
i always felt virgilia was the one who summoned that cat to come and break the vase, you know, the presence of a black cat is a saying of bad luck.
Is the ‘Cat’ Bernkastel?
@@EGO_200 No, "Virgilia", or Kumasawa made the Princess close her eyes and imagine the vase being fixed with magic. In reality, she didn't fix it, but lied to the other servants that a cat broke it. "Endless magic" is the ability to create a situation, where an endless amount of scenarios are true at the same time, such as in Rokkenjimagate.
@@EGO_200 LOL NICE! XD (I have no idea. I haven't read the VNs/manga yet. Hope to start later this year. But it sounds like a great question whether you're serious or you're joking. I have no idea which is bad, which is good, which is better, but to me, they sound both great.)
If you mean Confession of the Golden witch, I dont think that arc is canon to the novel.
Love it, if you deny the magic, it's just Virgilia and Beato keeping quiet about the vase, it was just a coincidence (or a miracle) that after it broke the cat entered, and they could just blame it on him.
The servant arrived after the cat had supposedly broken the vase, she just saw the shards and assumed it was the cat.
Actually, the answer is spoilers:
Kumasawa just lied. There was no cat. Kumasawa, as the elder servant, was believed by the others. It is one of the methods of magic, telling a good narrative.
@@Fragmentsinfractals488 I'm talking about the scene right here, the anime adaptation. I know the novel is different, but even if its a coincidence, when adapted and slightly changed it still makes sense. 01:26 You can hear the servant following the cat.
In the novel Beato and Virgilia re-enter the mansion after the servants found the broken vase. (And I prefer calling them like that to avoid spoilers)
@@Leogrooo That is true, however, by denying magic, you deny Beato and Virgilia.
@@Fragmentsinfractals488 "by denying magic, you deny Beato and Virgilia."
Yes.
Say that with Blue Truth.
Virgilia basically tries to tell Beatrice you can never cheat death like Final Destination which also fails
I sincerely hope Umineko gets a remake, but i don't think they can bring back again all those brilliant voice actors from novel
@BluesyCeiling23 Yeah, but Umineko was voiced by 3 JoJo's... Ronove is Joseph Joestar, Krauss is Jotaro in OVA, and Battler is Daisuke Ono, aka Jotaro. They might be pricy to get back
@BluesyCeiling23 I think its all about how well Higurashi Gou will be received in Japan , im sure Ryukishi07 is all good friends with the old cast though. It would take a miracle (and a witch or two) to make a good adaptation now wouldn't it? ;)
@@moti1s Akasaka from Higurashi also has Jotaro’s VA
@@moti1sconsidering how trash gou and sotsu were I genuinely hope it never gets touched again
@@subjectnivleis7572 agreed
Beginning of Episode 3 : These two are adorable !
Middle of Episode 3 : Wait, is Beato....kind ?
End of Episode 3 : Fuck these two.
End of Episode 8: Oh, it's THAT Beatrice. ):
Courgette, your pfp is quite clever. I like it.
@@rkr9861 😕 explain...kinzo!
Literally, my whole reaction..
I do hope there will be a 2nd season of Umineko after the new higurashi anime
The problem is that the Anime never established a clear way of identifying the Clue *Mystery Scenes* that are used to fuel Blue Truth vs the Magic *Fantasy Scenes* that fuel Red Truth. And Battler already witnessed something impossible in the first episode that neither his piece nor his immediate meta-piece (soul) witnessed before learning the truth. Making the game impossible to beat.
SPOILERS: Please do not read if you wish to experience the VN/Anime blindly.
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The problem if you are curious is that in the VN he only Heard that Shannon and Kanon were both present in a room with the accomplices both vouching that it was true. However, in the Anime, Battler (supposed to have objective sight) witnessed Shannon and Kanon in the same room first hand. Which means that they must have independent bodies and aren't manifested by Yasuda at different times to manufacture Alibis.
2nd season? heh. Unless they redo the first season, there will be no second season.
They need to remake it instead
2nd season? Don't they need to make a 1st season first?
There is no Umineko anime
Notice how it's a *black cat* that broke the vase after Virgilia--who was Beatrice at the time--fixed it after being broken the 1st time.
Tried as hard as she could, but Beato could never find a happy ending for herself. Bernkastel, the Witch of Miracles made sure of that.
For being Witch of Miracles, Bern is quite a bitch
@@mukash1838 Bern showed the truth Ange and viewer, that's all.
@@dkikkazy9524 the truth she herself made true. In official Umineko manga, Bern was the one who made little Ange suspicious of Eva. If Bern kept her shit with herself, at least Eva and Ange would have lived as a happy family.
@@mukash1838 The fact that Bern made that fragment truth by her own power is simply false.
@@mukash1838 It's *because* miracles
That vase was the metaphor how awful the anime was. It cannot be fix.
They fucked it up
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Lmao 😂
@@lilmao4482ㅡㅡ 아 나 진짜 너 왜
@@blueizumi도착 했습니다 나
自分のやった事を人のせいに上書きするのが魔法なのか…
そうだよ（肯定）
これを教えてしまったからヤス（紗音）の性格はあんな風になってしまったみたいなことを熊沢が言ってた
上手く使えば良い魔法とはこのこと()
このシーンだけだとそう言うことになっちゃうね。うみねこは人によって魔法の概念が違うから面白い
Ah baby beatrice
That's what kinzo said
BEOTRICHE!!
I don't think people will get my joke unless they've read EP VII 🥴
@@meeramalhotra33 Gross smh
@@LilPoopsie ahahaha.wav
ワルギリア＝熊沢
ロリベアト＝紗音（安田紗代）
紗音が割ってしまったツボを、熊沢さんが「猫を壊したことにしましょう」と言った言葉の魔法が、幻想表現だとこうなるわけで、
これは紗音（紗代）の記憶だったんだなぁと気づいてびっくりした
Interesante tu opinion, maestro
そだよ！私も最初びっくりだったわw
さよはこのベアトの娘じゃないの？
@@martin83932 このベアトが紗音(紗代)。
さよはメイドじゃなかったの？
Holy hell this scene makes A LOT of sense after Requiem. No spoilers though (at least in this comment) ,but...y’all know what I’m talking about
@@resurrectedreplayer6464 Okay this was confirmed in the Episode 8 manga but Virginia is supposed to be a fantasy version of Kumasawa. Basically Yasu accidentally broke a vase and Kumasawa helped cover it up to make sure she didn’t get in trouble for it
@@SiRenfield I haven’t read manga but finished the visual novel. I’m confused how this girl can be yasuda as yasuda didn’t know the existence of the building at this age.
@@SiRenfield that's not Yasu that's the Kuwadorian Beatrice, daughter of the og Beatrice and mother of Yasu
@@funa6968 ....it’s confirmed in the manga
@@SiRenfield this is literally happening in Kuwadorian, Yasu had never been to kuwadorian, I don't care what the manga says, the vn literally says when she figures the epitaph out that she had never been in kuwadorian and that she had no idea that place had ever existed before.
or: kumasawa teaches yasu how to lie
Or magic depending on how you interpret the catbox
Or both! Both are good.
Well, that is not Yasu. That‘s the Kuwadorian Beatrice.
At first I thought this scene was a flashback of beato past before she was a witch and we were going to know the witch past in future chapters
After finishing reading umineko I realized this isn't the witch past
This Beatrice is the one who Rosa encounter in her youth
No. That's not Kuwadorian Beatrice. Kuwadorian Beatrice never held any interest in magic. This is an embellished account of the culprit's past from EP7.
Similar Story to the Princess and the Witch!! i love this scene so calm but sad...
Umineko has plenty of references of other fairy tales : Cinderella, Snow White, Little Red Riding Hood, I can explain which anime parts are so familiar with these titles.
God i missed this anime its been so long
Funyn how beato is same as the wax
Already broken only can be imagined to previous state
As a VN reader, I got surprised by Virgilia's E Y E S.
Virgilia reminds me of Adriana and Mina the White Witches from the movie of Hansel and Gretel: Witch Hunters :)
*Dammit Bern*
Always thinking that cat is bern
Idc what people say about Deen and their questionable adaptations; they always somehow manage to nail the OST’s and art style.
No
Baby beato reminded me a lot of the pokemon anime art style lol. So yeah idk about that
Right this animation is better than what we usually get nowadays
@@delicioushitlistmuch better than nowadays
This is the anime? I don't remember it ever looking so good.
つまり…フェイクニュース…
This scene really isn't the same without the original soundtrack. Hidamari is one of the best pieces of the VN.
Can't wait to see how this will back fire.
I feels like the world backfire is historical to Japan at this point.
Doesnt Virgilia had some other place to wear one winged eagle
完全修復は出来なくても後の原因を別の物にさせることはできる。
最初に見たときは全然分からなかったけど色々知ると複雑ぅ……。
失敗小僧
これを世間一般的に言い訳と呼びます。
BEATRICE PAST
that's deep
Is it me or is the servant one of the seven deadly sins? She sounds like one of the long haired ones. She’s wearing Shannon’s servant outfit
Yes. The seven sisters are just fantasy interpretations of the real servants of the family.
@@6s166 you mean Beatrice recreated those girl servants when she grew up and became a witch?
@@davesteven7589-f8g Yes. She based the seven sisters off her fellow servants.
@@6s166 I see.. one question, do you know the name of the music in this video ? It's beautiful , I want to find it
The anti fantasy theory or version of her story is very tragic and fucked up. I can see what ryukishi is trying to do in letting the gamer or reader decide which version is real similar to life of pi
Well the true version is that there is no magic, Virgilia is Kurosawa. Lmao.
The magic version is there to escape from reality.
Do you want to expose the nasty side of a family that could have been otherwise wholesome and beautiful?
Or blame everything on the supernatural and witches?
The ultimate theme here is love. And love is something both real and magical.
What's the song playing at 0:55? Where can I find it?
Same please :((( I'll give five stars to whoever gives us a link to find the music in ost
I couldnt find too D:
Why can that lady write this scene?
She isn't supposed to know it.
the first 3 episodes was written by beatrice
yep, Beatrice is the game master here so she can show whatever she wants to Battler. But if we get a bit spoilery, she isnt really supposed to remember that unless shes delusional
Come to think of it, who DID teach Virgilia magic?🤔😳
Oh
このシーンの謎はep8で！
Why does she call Virgil's Beatrice??
Who is Beatrice then?
did you finish umineko?
if so then here is my theory
Kumasawa is acting as a witch of some sort in order to amuse the 2nd Beatrice, Kinzo and the 1st Beatrice was in love with the idea of love and witches, Kumasawa could have wanted to incorporate that aspect into young beatrice
@@iyaru235 hmm......so..
.but I can't read your comment completely..
Anyway....
Thanks for replaying
oh so you have not finished umineko? read someones gamepaly on youtube or read the manga. its really great uptill the end
@@iyaru235 but..... watching gameplay on youtibe is illegal right??
Since it's actually a 'novel'?
nope its perfectly legal since its just like a regular game walkthrough, if it isnt its not on you to worry but the creator. Its pretty long tho. just search it up on youtube Umineko EP1 gameplay and find a creator which suits you
Beatrice as a child?
yasu chan kawaii
what is the name of the song at 0:55?
It's unreleased soundtrack
@@Memo-uk2ko D:
oh
I understand that the actress who played voice actress who played Takano on the series that this anime spun off on could it be that Beatrice is a is a alter Ego of Takano maybe all the negative stuff that she felt manifested herself similar to how Rick is going to do in the new series just a little Theory I thought I don't think it's coincidence I think it was meant for fans to kind of draw the conclusion to that
Takano Va is same with Ushiromiya Eva
Is that scene from the anime or something later? Why don't I remember it
it is present in all medium, EP3 of the VN and around 16-ish in the anime i presume.
あ、前のベアトリーチェじゃん。
前のベアトリーチェの方が好きだな。
Soundtrack's Name?
one of the few scenes still i dont know the scene is illusion or not, or two of them same time.
The non-magic interpretation is that Beatrice broke a vase. Virgilia (= Kumasawa) told Beatrice to believe that the vase did not break. A miracle happened: a cat run into the room and the servant was convinced it broke the vase.
Thus, as no one saw Beatrice breaking the vase, the cat theory became truth. The scene we just saw may be an illusion but it became truth.
But I am realizing that I am betraying the message of Umineko by exposing what happened behind magic.
its a dream, its mixing in both the illusion and her memories. she woke up after this and called it a memory.
I'm a bit confused on how magic or their world works? So is everything happening real or they were just some sort of hallucination or just a creative way of telling the story?
That maid had Jessica's voice didn't she =_=
安田紗代
Can someone explain how magic in umineko works because i for the love of ne cant
Definitely read the VN, it's such an amazing experience.
heh i̶t̶ ̶d̶o̶e̶s̶n̶'̶t̶
In Umineko, Magic exists but it isn't real.(Sorry if it sounds Paradoxical, That's the only way I could describe it.)
Magic is anything that happens that cannot be explained through conventional means. If you can explain it, it's not magic. If you cannot explain it, it's magic. If you CHOOSE not to explain it, it's magic.
Mm... imagine it like Schrodinger's Cat. While something is not observed it is both happening and not happening at the same time. Magic only exists when it cannot be observed and can only be 'witnessed' by an unreliable party. i.e. Lies and trickery. So long as someone's not there to witness it, then that third party can say that 'X' happened even if it was actually 'Y' that happened. So instead of 'I saw the butler stab the woman through the eye' it becomes 'I saw the witch use her servants to gouge out the woman's eye'.
Whats this from? Looks too new to be from the anime.
It’s from the anime.
@@hiiragii Apologies, my version is shithouse.
@@aussieweaboo1054 link?
Bruh I can’t find this anime what happened
read the visual novel
Episode?
Please what is this anime ?
Umineko no Naku Koro ni
The comment above, but I advise you to either read the manga or the VN. I haven't watched the anime yet, so feel free to ignore my advice. But I have read the VN and I heard the anime is really bad
read the manga or the visual novel, avoid the anime its shit
For the love of God please avoid watching the Umineko anime, I recommend you to either play the visual novel or read the manga.
Is this supposed to be Yasu or kuwadorian beatrice
Yasu I guess
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This scene fits more into kuwadorian beatrice imo
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Fair but i interpreted it as kumasawa teaching yasuda about magic from a fantasy viewpoint
Oh my god, I only watched the anime and reading the comments on some of the vids, the wiki etc. I just realised that the anime story is not even 10% of the vn story and Im glad cuz I didnt know wtf was happening in the anime, nothing made any sense and Im so sad that I wanted my time with it when they've explained nothing
👸👸👸
メイドさんの声、楼座と一緒じゃね？
Kawwai ne su
こんなシーンあったの？
Episode3ですね。
I've got no clue what's going on but everybody is saying this anime was terrible lol 😂
The anime is OK. It is entertaining, very good at times but messy overall. You can watch it, I assure you that you will not be bored!
The problem is that as an adaptation of a VN, it is a disapointed adaptation.
This scene is a disgrace to the visual novel.
Was the anime really that bad compared to the vn?
@@commentreader3944 it was. The only good thing was the opening and ending songs. And the final episode they make it to the golden land or some shit like that
@@commentreader3944 I thought they only adapted half of the VN?
I only watched two episodes of the anime but I think they pushed an entire episode of the VN (roughly 10-20 hours) in the first anime episode.
So yeah it is bad
Don't agree, this is one of the best scenes of the anime. One of the scene where they convey the main themes of the VN in a compelling way.