@Evan Morel Yes! SSG getting forgotten and overshadowed by blue until the TOP was so stupid. Anything that gives that form more time to shine is a win.
While I understand your disliking of Takahashi’s god goku, I do think he translated Super Saiyan god’s aesthetic way better on Vegeta. He looked so much more calm than ever and just felt relaxed
@@saratchandrab4384 the j in ssj stands for Jin because in Japanese it's '' super saiya~jin " and saiyans are " saiya~jins " There for " super saiya~jin god "
Yes, but it was created AND ruined by Akira Toriyama. Remember when during the Namek, Earth, and Android saga, how the entire transformation of simply Super Saiyan was an impressive feat? Yeah, that's how the lore should have progressed instead of it being diluted with Bulky Saiyan, SS3, Cyan SSJ, Rose SSJ, Tingling Back etc etc. Here's the solution: Reduce the SSJ Bulky transformation to only one instance. Trunks is never killed, it's Vegeta instead. Give SS2 a bigger impact. Rewrite Buu Saga to make SS1 normal whereas SS2 more impressive. Introduce SS3 late into Buu saga with eyebrows. Make Beerus saga as "Saiyan God" transformation, requires Tarble in the ritual, it results in regrowing a tail, unlimited stamina, and becomes something possible to master. Gohan revealed to have partial "God Ki" due to Elder Kai's Mystic transformation. Frieza manages to transform by using the dragon balls, but is easily defeated by Saiyan God Vegeta. Goku manages to use his Kaioken training and calm nature to break through SG transformation and into "Super Saiyan God" transformation briefly. SSG form revealed to be a faster and stronger form of SG form but has lowish stamina. A new alien called Samu attacks earth, one that can permanently steal your energy. He steals some of Piccolo's and all of Gohan's. Samu is revealed to be a protagonist that wanted to borrow the energy level to defeat a new intergalactic villain. Samu eventually defeats the villain, locked with Patrol, and returns to give back powers. He misjudges Dende for Picollo making Dende very powerful but finds it impossible to return Gohan's powers. Zamasu is revelled to be a Saiyan God form with invincibility, easily toying with SS3 Trunks. Beerus grants them the Time Ring to fix up the Timeline. Vegeta and Goku manage to escape, thanks to Trunks' sacrifice. Bulma arrives with Trunks' Time Machine, delivers senzu beans and brings back Trunks. SSG Vegeta and SSG Goku manage to defeat Fused Zamasu, and Spirit Bomb-Sword Trunks. The universe is eventually doomed, so it's deleted by Zeno, and Future Trunks now lives in Goku's Universe. Tournament is announced and fighters begin training. Future Trunks is directed to Elder Kai to practice Other World training. Gohan learns to fly and use chi, and build his power up slowly, training the basics with Picollo. In tournament of power, the ten warriors chosen are: Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, 17, 18, Dende, Picollo, Gohan, Tien, Krillin. During which, Vegeta surpasses Goku, Future Trunks unlocks SSG, 17 and 18 tagteam and defeat most opponents, Dende and Picollo team-up and eventually heal teammates, whilst Krillin, Tien, and Gohan form a tri-group and are caught on the defensive. Gohan eventually unlocks SS1 again after failing to rescue Krillin, Tien, and Picollo. He eventually saves Trunks and Dende but is knocked out. Ultra Instinct makes a brief appearance but Goku fails to sustain it. He eventually gains his stamina back when all the failed warriors from all the other universes donate their energy to him. Ultra Instinct Goku is eventually complete and defeats Jiren, and Universe 7 wins thanks to having Android 17 in-hiding. Then the Brolly or Moro arc begins. Brolly seems to posses SS1 form, and is trained to SS2. His LSS2 form almost rivals SS3. He apparently eats Samu and steals his power, and attains some God Ki. Both Goku and Vegeta's SG forms seem equal to Brolly's until he begins to get more and more angry, and eventually his father is killed. This causes him to break into SSG form that rivals Goku's and Vegeta's thanks to having a higher base power, LSSJ genes, original tail, ingested God-ki, and getting angrier and angrier. He's eventually defeated before the Earth is destroyed by his anger. I think they can eventually bring back another SSG form, by having the SSG form see a full moon, thanks to the tail. New form either leads to the saiyan exploding, or losing senses to attain a new degree of defence and strength. It's used as a last defence, and found to not be affected by Destruction Spells and eclipses the Gods.
Yeah same actually. I prefer the minimalist graceful forms to the over the top powerhouse stuff. I also like (although admittedly, ssjb also has this) that the forms have a unique powerup aura. The flames for ssjg, the almost watery stuff from ssjb and the st.elmo's fire looking stuff from ui omen.
@@ashleighhamer7922 Yeah, Super Saiyan Blue could have been designed in many different ways. Like for me, I probably would have designed SSB with a different hairstyle, visible pupils, the skinny muscles of SSG, and the color Blue had in the Broly movie.
@Cedric-Joe Cadet you have a point, they even share a very similar transformation. I'm referring to Full Power Super Saiyan 4 Goku ( I refuse to call him Super Full Power Saiyan 4) when energy was being given to him. The differences being one, there were 4 Saiyans channeling their energy into Goku. Two, Pan was a kid in GT and didn't even posses the power of a Super Saiyan. But In Super, she was still in Videl and I guess you could say the ritual summoned the inner potential in Pan or something idk.
My absolutely favorite form, like the red hair and eyes (with pupils for the extra) and that flame aura It give you a strong and fierce impression of the form and despite what many people could said said it is accurate as a super sayian GOD, I mean super sayian were always been about changing hair color and some physical mutation, the ssg did that except it's reversed in comparison of the golden forms since instead of getting more muscular and more aggressive you got slimmer, younger, have a calm look in the eyes and instead of yellow you have red hair which work to me for showing a different level of power since red is a stronger color than yellow to the eyes
I just wish red hair form was called Saiyan God, and then blue, naturally, was called Super Saiyan God. Think it would’ve flowed better. People would’ve been more willing to accept blue.
Super Saiyan God, along with its change in fighting style for Goku, also feels like a much greater lead into Ultra Instinct than Blue does. I'm fine with Blue, but SSG really does emphasize the more subtle, nuanced parts of Dragon Ball as a martial arts series than Blue does.
Ssg means super soul God. 1. Goku trains in high gravity to get super soul. 2. His eye turn blank white when super soul God. 3. He needs emotions for super soul
I really love super saiyan god from its design to its idea , the firey aura, red hair and the fact that the form multiplies them to a whole new realm of universal strength and how it changed everyones idea on power in dragon ball super
I still think Super Saiyan God should have been the last and final transformation we've really seen. It's basically perfect, it's freaking awesome in design as well.
I agree, Super Saiyan God is amazing, my favorite form past original super saiyan. I'm just salty that they didn't incorporate it more to give us that contrast of simplicity and technicality that was given to us in DBS: Broly. Well, Shintani's art style just makes the form look so "godly" so I guess I'm pretty bias.
@@goobeeeer nuthin.. I just think the forms lame as hell. And seeing someone gass it up just makes me roll me eyes. super saiyan God is a dissapointingly lazy designed form.
@@fusiontoa18 would you have preferred another muscle fest? It isn't the best but for what it's supposed to be (calm and technique based) it doesn't look bad, slimmed down with red hair & eyes, and the aura is cool. Even if you don't like any of that, at least it isn't just super sayain but blue.
I’d fs say SSG is one of my all time favorites but I think UI is the best form/technique Becuz it’s essentially a combination of Blue and God form to create a “ultimate” form (pun very much intended)
Ui is technically a technique that requires one to enter an empty state of mind allowing ones body to move purely on instinct alone its a form whis is in 24/7 (his hair may not even be white since thats what the technique does to hair apparently lol jk)
I absolutely could not stand the anime version of the form until the Tournament of Power. Takahashi brought about a level of depth to the design that I appreciated. I understand that the form was meant to make Goku look leaner, but it felt as though I could take the form more seriously in one of two situations: when we saw SSG fight in a way that illustrates a different style and dominance && when matched with a design that compliments its leap in power. The way that Takahashi illustrated SSG, especially with the depth and realistic motion of hair and torn clothing, made me fall in love with the form for the first time. The Broly movie semented this. I felt like the form was perfected and illustrated the way that it was truly meant to be. I'm glad that there's a style that makes me finally love the transformation.
Only the ritual achieved SSG has a healing factor and the only way to achieve this form is to go through the ritual which is a one time deal. So that version of SSG has already run it's course with Goku.
I think it would have been cool if they had made re-attaining SSG it's own thing; I mean it runs in completely the opposite direction to normal super saiyan forms.
I love Super Saiyan God in terms of the way it looks for the most part how it works and what not but I feel like Super Saiyan God should have been a permanent change outright replacing the users base form and instead of Super Saiyan blue basically just being a switch between normal super saiyan and a Divine variant blue should have just been what happens when a Saiyan with a Divine body turns into a Super Saiyan. To me the Super Saiyan God form burning out the way that it does doesn't make any sense and the way that Dragon Ball super refuses to explain what God energy is and how it works adds to the confusion on what exactly is Super Saiyan blue is and how that works seeing as it's a Super Saiyan form that seemingly runs on God energy.
Super New10doh ssjb is basically what you said. When a saiyan turns ssjg and reaches the Ssj version of that they turn ssjb, just like a saiyan can go from base form to Ssj. Instead of replacing a saiyan's base form, ssjg acts as a secondary one with its own Ssj line up. God energy isn't anything special, it's just ki that can't be sensed by characters who can't sense god ki.
Ive been thinking the same thing for ages! I feel ssjg should've been the new base form with characters while not being able to transform into regular super saiyan forms, instead it being super saiyan blue.
@@soulsurj4782 the problem is that Super Saiyan blue is not explained that way. The way that is explained is that Super Saiyan blue is the combination of strength a calm mind and perfect energy control. There is an explanation in the resurrection F Saga where Goku basically says that Super Saiyan blue is what happens when a Super Saiyan God Goku Super Saiyan but if God is essentially a second base form which is never stated or implied to be the case it still doesn't make any sense how he would be able to switch between the two. On top of that if God is a second base form it shouldn't have a multiplier but we know for a fact that God is much more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 and that form has a 400 times multiplier from base power
Super New10doh ssjg has a multiplier because it's a ssj transformation. That's also why he can turn into it. It's not actually his base form. I only compared it to the idea of Goku having a second base form because it has its own line up of transformations, similar to when Goku is in his base form.
@@soulsurj4782 first off it's not really a Super Saiyan transformation it's a lot like Super Saiyan 4 in that it is called Super Saiyan insert added name here but it's not actually a Super Saiyan form. Second we don't really know how Super Saiyan God or blue work so to say that God has its own lineup of Transformations is a little misleading considering that we don't know what it is he'll Toriyama doesn't even know considering that the backstory we got in a interview doesn't even match up with what is told to us within Battle of Gods the movie and the Ark
I really like this form. It's not only good looking, but it's powerful too. Gods always look younger than what they actually are. God takes this interpretation seriously.
I loved Super Saiyan God's introduction in Battle of Gods, I always feel like Super Saiyan Blue failed to capitalise on the whole God Ki aesthetic. What should we do after this awesome, new transformation? Just take our original Super Saiyan and make it blue! Wow, how cool is that? A downgrade and a pallet swap :/
8:35 That statement from Nagamine about Super Saiyan God really remembered me of UI "Predicting enemy movements and dodging them" is esentually what UI is
What makes this form works is the fact that it's not something he can unlock on his own like the others. Even Ultimate Gohan happens to be the release of all of his powers, but God, it's a different formula. The only way to achieve this form is by accumulating divine energy learning to control it. It's an external source of power. And the methods to acquire this is, by either performing the ascension ceremony with the help of five other Saiyans or to learn it from someone who mastered it. This method is not only different from the other power up methods, but at the same time it takes things back to the roots where Goku had to learn to sense and manipulate Ki as well as when he learned Kaioken.
Super Saiyan God is a form that people visually like because of its naturally thin aesthetic, and because our eyes are attracted to warm colors so when we have the red orange color, it makes people love how it looks with those two combined.
I too love the transformation, I like what is done to achieve it too, very different to every other transformations. But there is one thing I dislike about it and that is the rivalry to Beerus and it just only let us see more of Beerus' power. It also made me thought that Super Saiyan God wasn't much of a power boost.
I also really like SSG. Heck, it's probably my favorite form of all time, with SSJ4 being a close second. Bu I also feel like false SSJ is underrated. I mean, the form appeared only once in a non-canon movie made probably ~25 years ago! It's entrance was badass, and it looked cool too. A lot of people say that it's a 25X multiplier to base form, whereas SSJ is a 50X multiplier. Don't know, I guess I've always taken a liking towards the unorthodox...
Carthu, could you please do a video about the many similarities between Golden Great Ape and Super Saiyan God? Like for example, both forms are stronger than Super Saiyan 3, both forms are able to increase their power over time like beyond their respective multipliers when certain conditions are met, both forms can be used as a stepping stone in order to achieve an even more powerful form, both forms are shown in some scenes depicting ancient Saiyan folklore, both forms can be mastered like how Super Saiyan can to make them more efficient, and both forms can have possible variations with each other.
If ssj is bigger and ssg is leaner then ssgss should be the same size as base imo. But obviously ssj and ssgss being the same size makes sense from an animating perspective, easier to do
I disagree, SSG is leaner because its not a follow up of a previous transformation. SSB is legit (as Goku says) the combination of SSG and SSJ. So it makes sense that Blue gets “more buff”
ssj1 when Goku and gohan got out of the hyperbolic time chamber is my favorite. There was a sense of mastery and exclusive knowledge they had about the form no one else did that was just so interesting to me.
i think the idea behind a calming focus kind of form makes sense... but personally even tho im tired of seeing goku and vegeta fight in blue, blue is my favorite form becasue of the brute force aspect... still love the transformation when goku and vegeta go blue especially in the broly movie... but i understand why a lot of people like god...
Fun fact:the super saiyan god multiplier is about 28000x because vegeta in the ''My bulma!' scene costed beerus to use 1% of his power (due to the vegeta's rage boost making him stronger than super saiyan 3 goku)and SSG goku costed beerus 70% of his power an 400(goku's SSJ3 multiplier) X 70 = 28000
I really like Super Saiyan God. The design and idea are interesting. I'm pretty disappointed that it was passed up so quickly by Super Saiyan Blue. I wish Goku and Vegeta were given an arc to use and master the form before unlocking Blue. Another missed opportunity sadly.
I honestly want goku to merge ultra instinct with super sayain god instead of blue, the God form just feels more final, going against the primal and rage of sayains and super sayain, it just feels like it fits goku better, after all, I would consider goku more of a human instead of sayain in terms of personality, and God form just feels different from other sayain forms, it just fits with goku and ultra instinct
I came up with an idea today, Alright here I go Ultra Instinct is a perfect state of mind, and looks stunning, but doesn't suit goku, so its good that silver hair is a Plan Z only move, but they shouldn't go down this cheesy true ui omen route, instead Have gokus character go back to another form, one that suited him, and that is super Saiyan god, Super saiyan god is a form of tranquility, it embodies goku as a character and doesn't force him to become something he isn't aka UI, The red looks beautiful and is almost universally liked, It had healing properties, manga made him slim similar to Ui, and In the broly movie goku discovered this paralyze technique, so I thought why doesn't Goku decide to master the God form, the healing, find other techniques etc..and also master kaioken, a combination of mastering kaioken and the healing properties of God, goku can go to numbers of X kaioken boosts he never dreamed of but use the god healing to negate the debuff and risk of kaioken, not saying make goku unrealistic like kaioken x1000, but u get my drift, a combination of mastered healing and kaioken syncs in harmony and its symbolic that they are both red but also fits gokus personality..I think this Mastered god form x kaioken buff if he decides, will look beautiful next to a (hopefully nicely designed) mastered ultra ego, I prefer Red x purple more than Silver x Purple, my idea of goku mastering god also means God is back like everyone wanted
I honestly think they kinda wasted the concept of god ki. Honestly i feel as though they could've done more with ssg. Like maybe give it some unique abilities and have god ki be able to do stuff no other form has done like time manipulation or kagebunshino jutsu. Give the form and ssb as well some varied advantages and stages of power. Also give blue different drawbacks and benefits Give goku and vegeta different ways of using god ki. This would make goku more versatile and varied in fighting ability rather than just "who can hit harder".
Honestly I feel like Super Saiyan God should of been saved for much later and the god forms could of been something Goku needed to work for until the end of the series same with Blue. Goku could still have to use his other forms like 3 to go all out but his base would slowly develop God ki and grow as a result until Goku finally would unlock it, in place of Ultra Instinct, with SSJB maybe even being the Mastered Ultra Instinct of the TOP. I feel like Goku gained these forms too early, which wasted not only the potential of 3 but God itself becomes obsolete by the next arc by Blue which becomes useless afterwards in the following arcs. Im not saying SSJG shouldnt have existed but should of been built up to better and fully unlocked later on along with God ki, being something that Goku actually needed to learn and Master at a much more better written pace with more impact then Super and the movies did. Your ideas also seem like things that could be apart of God ki and manipulation of it that they could Master too.
@@theoneandonly8403 Blue was obsolete? It was still relevant until Jiren came along. But Jiren at the time was an exception. Even then, it was far useful than 2 or 3 in a climax battle. I mean Universe 6 vs 7 tournament, Future trunks and Broly?
@@64kingarthur Not exactly, not only was Blues only real win against Golden Frieza and Broly after they needed to Fuse to use it. All battles before then with Blue included it was just a means for the characters to stay on par with a villain, Goku or Vegeta never actually beat anyone with it besides Broly who they needed to Fuse to do it, meaning Blue alone wasnt enough and the only reason they won was because they fused then used Blue which still technically doesnt count since they never beat Broly with blue but where about to before he got wished away. Goku and Vegeta only beat an opponent once with Blue. Its like how Iron Man makes buster suits to go on par with an opponent, none of them actually ever work but they at least let him be on terms with the opponent, it's just that it never actually works or gives him a win. Which is my point with SSJB, it only ever worked once with all the other times being a loss for the characters or some outside force managed to solve the problem for them. But to answer your question exactly, Universe 6 vs 7 tournament had Goku give up before he could win but he still needed the Kaioken to get on par which wouldnt have worked anyways since we see after Goku gave up his body took massive strain on his body and left him with his ki being messed up later, Trunks arc had Trunks beat the opponent with SSJ Rage which isnt confirmed to be God ki nor do we know much about it, and I already discussed Broly. And about 2 and 3, SSJ3 might of been somewhat useless however 2 had some serious wins in Z and was used effectively in Super. Which is why I think having SSJG and Blue built up too better along with God ki could of let those forms actually shine and could of actually gave them even more victories and could of made God ki and forms mean something and feel more natural as an evolution. While also making the God forms even better and could give them more room to shine as well and actually made them feel more earned then they already are.
@@theoneandonly8403 That's an outright nitpick. Not making a win does not constitute to being useless or obsolete. Being Obsolete and useless is when the form becomes useless against a major battle(SSJ2 right in the Buu saga up to the tournament of power or SSJ3 from Battle of gods to tournament of power; both being rendered only as a stick for measuring the level of a character). You outright generalize that Blue is useless then backtrack when Gogeta used it. God was a stepping stone for something greater which I also don't see why people are crying over it when these are the same people who don't even like the form. If it ain't the usual double standard. If you think winning is always the main point of the story, you missed the entire point being pointed to you. Yes, Goku needed the Kaioken, but it doesn't change the fact that Goku was still using Blue. It's like asking someone to win a drag race with using only the first gear of a sports car while the other car is also a sports car fitted with a nitrous and is allowed to use all the gears. Kaioken was needed because Hit's hax are plainly way too powerful. But without Blue, Kaioken would still be useless. What has SSJ rage have to do with this? It was only relevant until Goku Black surpassed him. In fact, Blue became number 1 until Goku Black got powerful after a royal beating before Merged Zamasu was born. Even then, Vegito in his Super Saiyan Blue was more than a match for him. ONLY because Merged Zamasu was immortal that it was hard for him to be put down. That is still what makes the form relevant. 3 was flat-out thrown in the trash after Buu and was only recycled as a measuring stick and a stepping stone. SSJ2 only has 1 clear win and 2 relevant battles before being thrown into the Measuring stick and stepping stone zone. That's way less compared to what Super saiyan or Blue has gotten. 1 win and 3 major battles for god and 3 wins, and 4 major battles for Blue. How is that even useless or irrelevant? While Goku and Vegeta are the main protagonist of Super, Dragon ball is still a mystical martial arts anime. The essence of a martial arts fiction genre does not constitute to just winning.
You missed the point on SSG in the manga. The manga CLEARLY portrayed Blue as a flawed form. It takes way too much ki to ignite and a second ignition even took away 90% of Vegeta's overall power. That gives a good reason to use SSG instead. Until they reached Perfected SSB that is. PSSB is a concept I fell in love with the moment I read it in the Future Trunks arc. And that was only accomplished by their use of SSG to cover the weakness of SSB.
@Good Morning It definitely does, it's literally stated in the goddamn show that SSG gives you a generally calmer demeanor, if you couldn't tell from the fact Goku's eyes are relaxed, and just because you may not like the fact Goku's physique is slimmed down for God, it still proves as a good stylistic decision and helps it stand out among the countless beefy super Saiyan forms. You're going off on tangents about shit not even relating to what I'm saying, and just because Blue has slight changes to aura doesn't make it any more original. It's essentially taken the place of super Saiyan for the original series and in the process eliminated a completely fresh transformation in the process.
Personally, God is my favorite form because I feel like it brings a change of pace in terms of forms and that it’s just underrated in general. If I had to be honest, I prefer God over Blue because it’s faster and consumes much less stamina compared to Blue even though it lacks Blue’s raw power. You can also transform into Blue and then back to God to max out God’s speed and power, making it a powerful form that you can stay in for a long period of time while also having a lot of speed and power, I haven’t watched the video yet but these are my thoughts about Super Saiyan God.
FrostyPrime yes he does that and claps Goku Black in the process and Goku did that in the Tournament of Power against Dyspo when he transforms into Blue and then back into God to max out the power and speed. Vegeta does the same but he switched to Blue for an instant when attacking and then transformed back into God in order to fuck with Goku Black.
I like how they actually explain ssg very good I like how if all saiyans comes together and holds hands to make it instead of ssgss where it’s just there for the color to me ssg is brilliant and if you think of it they say ssg makes him faster and him being skinny really fits that I just wish they would of kept him that way
I’m guessing that Goku didn’t know The God Bind during the tournament of power so that’s why he didn’t use it or Is using the God Bind not allowed? Or trapping moves are not allowed? Then Master Roshi’s Evil Containment shouldn’t have been allowed so I think Goku just didn’t know the God Bind but it would’ve been really useful during the TOP
Agreed. The Anime proves and supports you and your view as it showed us all this when Vegeta retrained and grew even more powerful, but also cunning in which he began to realize a balance of the two fighting Black (or rather, to fight Black). Vegeta realized the calm, effective, energy reserves and ability to see, anticipate and dodge or outright suppress-counter Black's punches and energy attacks. When he needed to punch - strike with overwhelming force, he quickly switched between Blue and Red (so much Superman invoked here) and *"bulldozed"* through Black's defenses and attacks. Very good insight.
This may sound a little clithé but my favorite form is Mastered Ultra Instinct. The aura and calming feeling it lets off is insanely awesome and the Glowing Silver is really cool. But when you include the Insane power boost then you have the best form to ever come to Dragon Ball. (I'm not saying your opinion is bad or anything but SSG is my 2nd favorite and I really agree with you so keep making these awesome videos Carthu!)
It's a very aesthetically pleasing form
Especially in the shintani art
I remember wanting to see ssg gohan and vegeta back when before DBS was a thing or even resurrection F
@Evan Morel Damn that's a really good question. I'm not too sure but I'd say yes. Apologies for the lackluster response.
It my favorite form idc if blue or ultra is more powerful super saying god is my fav always
@Evan Morel Yes! SSG getting forgotten and overshadowed by blue until the TOP was so stupid. Anything that gives that form more time to shine is a win.
I honestly like this form better than the Super Saiyan Blue
A lot of people do.
Same
Same
Unfortunately it doesn't feel like it had time to breathe before being surpassed by Blue
@@Kakarot64. I agree. They should've kept SSG as the pinnacle of Saiyan power for a bit longer.
While I understand your disliking of Takahashi’s god goku, I do think he translated Super Saiyan god’s aesthetic way better on Vegeta. He looked so much more calm than ever and just felt relaxed
Yeah
True true.
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Anything in Broly looks good
Remember when everyone bashed SSJG?
I always wanted to know about the J in SSJG
Super Saiyan God is fine,but what does J stand for?
@@saratchandrab4384 the j in ssj stands for Jin because in Japanese it's '' super saiya~jin " and saiyans are " saiya~jins "
There for " super saiya~jin god "
I never bashed ssjg but i remember that, was awesome to me that transformation.
@@saratchandrab4384 it's Super saiyajin
Thanks for clearing it up guys
False Super Saiyan: Who are you?
Super Saiyan God: I'm you but stronger, godlier, and energy-inducing hype
/lighter color
And u can say that for kaio-ken
ItzSosa true true
Connor Hamilton not false
Kaioken.
@@lilsosaonnat Kaio-what???
lol
Finally someone who understands the masterpiece that is SSG 😭
@@MetalRaydown it really is the best looking form
Yes, but it was created AND ruined by Akira Toriyama.
Remember when during the Namek, Earth, and Android saga, how the entire transformation of simply Super Saiyan was an impressive feat? Yeah, that's how the lore should have progressed instead of it being diluted with Bulky Saiyan, SS3, Cyan SSJ, Rose SSJ, Tingling Back etc etc.
Here's the solution:
Reduce the SSJ Bulky transformation to only one instance. Trunks is never killed, it's Vegeta instead. Give SS2 a bigger impact. Rewrite Buu Saga to make SS1 normal whereas SS2 more impressive. Introduce SS3 late into Buu saga with eyebrows. Make Beerus saga as "Saiyan God" transformation, requires Tarble in the ritual, it results in regrowing a tail, unlimited stamina, and becomes something possible to master. Gohan revealed to have partial "God Ki" due to Elder Kai's Mystic transformation. Frieza manages to transform by using the dragon balls, but is easily defeated by Saiyan God Vegeta. Goku manages to use his Kaioken training and calm nature to break through SG transformation and into "Super Saiyan God" transformation briefly. SSG form revealed to be a faster and stronger form of SG form but has lowish stamina. A new alien called Samu attacks earth, one that can permanently steal your energy. He steals some of Piccolo's and all of Gohan's. Samu is revealed to be a protagonist that wanted to borrow the energy level to defeat a new intergalactic villain. Samu eventually defeats the villain, locked with Patrol, and returns to give back powers. He misjudges Dende for Picollo making Dende very powerful but finds it impossible to return Gohan's powers. Zamasu is revelled to be a Saiyan God form with invincibility, easily toying with SS3 Trunks. Beerus grants them the Time Ring to fix up the Timeline. Vegeta and Goku manage to escape, thanks to Trunks' sacrifice. Bulma arrives with Trunks' Time Machine, delivers senzu beans and brings back Trunks. SSG Vegeta and SSG Goku manage to defeat Fused Zamasu, and Spirit Bomb-Sword Trunks. The universe is eventually doomed, so it's deleted by Zeno, and Future Trunks now lives in Goku's Universe.
Tournament is announced and fighters begin training. Future Trunks is directed to Elder Kai to practice Other World training. Gohan learns to fly and use chi, and build his power up slowly, training the basics with Picollo. In tournament of power, the ten warriors chosen are: Goku, Vegeta, Trunks, 17, 18, Dende, Picollo, Gohan, Tien, Krillin. During which, Vegeta surpasses Goku, Future Trunks unlocks SSG, 17 and 18 tagteam and defeat most opponents, Dende and Picollo team-up and eventually heal teammates, whilst Krillin, Tien, and Gohan form a tri-group and are caught on the defensive. Gohan eventually unlocks SS1 again after failing to rescue Krillin, Tien, and Picollo. He eventually saves Trunks and Dende but is knocked out. Ultra Instinct makes a brief appearance but Goku fails to sustain it. He eventually gains his stamina back when all the failed warriors from all the other universes donate their energy to him. Ultra Instinct Goku is eventually complete and defeats Jiren, and Universe 7 wins thanks to having Android 17 in-hiding.
Then the Brolly or Moro arc begins.
Brolly seems to posses SS1 form, and is trained to SS2. His LSS2 form almost rivals SS3. He apparently eats Samu and steals his power, and attains some God Ki. Both Goku and Vegeta's SG forms seem equal to Brolly's until he begins to get more and more angry, and eventually his father is killed. This causes him to break into SSG form that rivals Goku's and Vegeta's thanks to having a higher base power, LSSJ genes, original tail, ingested God-ki, and getting angrier and angrier. He's eventually defeated before the Earth is destroyed by his anger.
I think they can eventually bring back another SSG form, by having the SSG form see a full moon, thanks to the tail. New form either leads to the saiyan exploding, or losing senses to attain a new degree of defence and strength. It's used as a last defence, and found to not be affected by Destruction Spells and eclipses the Gods.
You mean the lazy reskin of the kaioken , right.
@@ekinteko Seems like a decent fan-fiction.
@@str8inst1nct33 no ss4 is lol
I love how the super sayian god form is so *calm and peaceful* and it's one of my favourite transformations being only second to UI omen.
Sabahat Fatima mine too. Along with ssj blue kaioken and evolution.
Yeah same actually. I prefer the minimalist graceful forms to the over the top powerhouse stuff.
I also like (although admittedly, ssjb also has this) that the forms have a unique powerup aura.
The flames for ssjg, the almost watery stuff from ssjb and the st.elmo's fire looking stuff from ui omen.
I completely agree with you Carthu, Super Saiyan God is also one of my favorite forms because of its concept and simple but unique design.
Very true I also like arkira fss ss4 and ssb because Akira and fss just spike the hair up no colure change which I like then just the looks for others
@@ashleighhamer7922 Yeah, Super Saiyan Blue could have been designed in many different ways. Like for me, I probably would have designed SSB with a different hairstyle, visible pupils, the skinny muscles of SSG, and the color Blue had in the Broly movie.
Kaioken but not as cool looking?
Jos and people like ssj4 which is all that LoL
@Cedric-Joe Cadet you have a point, they even share a very similar transformation. I'm referring to Full Power Super Saiyan 4 Goku ( I refuse to call him Super Full Power Saiyan 4) when energy was being given to him. The differences being one, there were 4 Saiyans channeling their energy into Goku. Two, Pan was a kid in GT and didn't even posses the power of a Super Saiyan. But In Super, she was still in Videl and I guess you could say the ritual summoned the inner potential in Pan or something idk.
My absolutely favorite form, like the red hair and eyes (with pupils for the extra) and that flame aura
It give you a strong and fierce impression of the form and despite what many people could said said it is accurate as a super sayian GOD, I mean super sayian were always been about changing hair color and some physical mutation, the ssg did that except it's reversed in comparison of the golden forms since instead of getting more muscular and more aggressive you got slimmer, younger, have a calm look in the eyes and instead of yellow you have red hair which work to me for showing a different level of power since red is a stronger color than yellow to the eyes
Lame
@Papa Kim lil bitch
@@fusiontoa18 true
@@fusiontoa18 Your lame
@@jorgeribeiro6307 How is it true it is the best looking form in super alongside mui
Hey carthu you should make a video about how you got in to dragon ball
I just wish red hair form was called Saiyan God, and then blue, naturally, was called Super Saiyan God.
Think it would’ve flowed better. People would’ve been more willing to accept blue.
Not really. SSB would still suck.
@@cake6851
I personally really like ssb
(Specially vegito blue and ssb gogeta)
@bryan diaz varela
I don't think anyone has the right to call someone "not a true fan"
Ssj blue might not be the best transformation but I like it
@bryan diaz varela
I have my own opinion of course
@bryan diaz varela
Even if they introduce super rainbow ultra instict collectors edition i will always like ssgss
Super Saiyan God, along with its change in fighting style for Goku, also feels like a much greater lead into Ultra Instinct than Blue does. I'm fine with Blue, but SSG really does emphasize the more subtle, nuanced parts of Dragon Ball as a martial arts series than Blue does.
I've been waiting along time for this
SSG is one of my favorite transformation, my all time is SSJ4.
@JustinTheDragonKing🐲 what's your favourite , then ?
Ssj4 looks like a furry
Ssj4 would feel like the ssj if db never had z around
@@bailujen8052 yeah
Ssj4 is the best!!
9:12 I loved the new techniques. I wish we got to see that red Rasengen looking attack could do.
SSG is my favourite form too, it’s just so pleasing to look at.
Ssg means super soul God.
1. Goku trains in high gravity to get super soul.
2. His eye turn blank white when super soul God.
3. He needs emotions for super soul
@@The-illuminated its super saiyan
Frfr
It’s my favorite form too. There is just something about the godliness of it. Unfortunately the same can’t be said about super saiyan blue.
Both are lame lel
Blue is trash just regular super Saiyan with blue hair dye no creativity there!
@@fusiontoa18 Your profile pic is lame lol.
@@fusiontoa18 Like you can do better
@@TheRock-ef9qc i can actually, plenty of people on deviant art can do better than these lame ass recolours lel
I really love super saiyan god from its design to its idea , the firey aura, red hair and the fact that the form multiplies them to a whole new realm of universal strength and how it changed everyones idea on power in dragon ball super
I still think Super Saiyan God should have been the last and final transformation we've really seen. It's basically perfect, it's freaking awesome in design as well.
I agree, Super Saiyan God is amazing, my favorite form past original super saiyan. I'm just salty that they didn't incorporate it more to give us that contrast of simplicity and technicality that was given to us in DBS: Broly. Well, Shintani's art style just makes the form look so "godly" so I guess I'm pretty bias.
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@@fusiontoa18 can you F off?? Spreading hate for no reason
@@fusiontoa18 what?
@@goobeeeer nuthin.. I just think the forms lame as hell. And seeing someone gass it up just makes me roll me eyes. super saiyan God is a dissapointingly lazy designed form.
@@fusiontoa18 would you have preferred another muscle fest? It isn't the best but for what it's supposed to be (calm and technique based) it doesn't look bad, slimmed down with red hair & eyes, and the aura is cool.
Even if you don't like any of that, at least it isn't just super sayain but blue.
I’d fs say SSG is one of my all time favorites but I think UI is the best form/technique Becuz it’s essentially a combination of Blue and God form to create a “ultimate” form (pun very much intended)
Ui is so much different than god or blue it's a state of mind same with mui these forms are not the same with god forms
Sam Collett UI is completely different from Blue or God. It’s as much of a technique as it is a transformation
Ui is technically a technique that requires one to enter an empty state of mind allowing ones body to move purely on instinct alone its a form whis is in 24/7 (his hair may not even be white since thats what the technique does to hair apparently lol jk)
Why do you have ssj4 as yer profile pic then
They treated god and blue really well in the broly movie
I hope they will do it again in the future.
This one is my favorite transformation too. I love the calm and zen type vibe around SSG
Goku:Gets skinner when he transforms
Me: *CRYING IN A CORNER FOR BEING FAT*
*lol*
@Menkir Dennis ok but I was just kidding🤣🤣You're a nice person tho
Jaxblade: *laughs in effort and fictinal admoration*
@@peynnep6483 lol
You're not fat you're Thicc and if you don't think you're .........Thicc then you're bigger than those skinny skeletons
I absolutely could not stand the anime version of the form until the Tournament of Power. Takahashi brought about a level of depth to the design that I appreciated. I understand that the form was meant to make Goku look leaner, but it felt as though I could take the form more seriously in one of two situations: when we saw SSG fight in a way that illustrates a different style and dominance && when matched with a design that compliments its leap in power.
The way that Takahashi illustrated SSG, especially with the depth and realistic motion of hair and torn clothing, made me fall in love with the form for the first time.
The Broly movie semented this. I felt like the form was perfected and illustrated the way that it was truly meant to be. I'm glad that there's a style that makes me finally love the transformation.
I still think they shouldve kept the healing aspect of ssg, along with higher ki recovery compared to all the other forms.
Basically SIX EYES lol😊
SSJ God also has healing abilities.
Not anymore
Not true
Only the ritual achieved SSG has a healing factor and the only way to achieve this form is to go through the ritual which is a one time deal. So that version of SSG has already run it's course with Goku.
@@Bradmoyer02 well vegeta got ssjg without the ritual. He got it from training with whis
There is no prof that it doesn't have healing ability
Super Saiyan: I’m the legendary super saiyan
Super Saiyan God: I’m your Jesus
I’ve always liked SSG and its SSG that got me into Dragon Ball 👍 and it will always be my favorite
0:42 YO HE HITTIN’ THE BAKI POSE-
I love the fact that the hair remains like in base but with other color.
This form is my favourite because it’s so simple(compared to other transformations)but such a cool concept
Thats what i hate about it
@@fusiontoa18 who cares
@@TheRock-ef9qc you do
@@fusiontoa18 Great piss boy
@@TheRock-ef9qc drink it gurl
I think it would have been cool if they had made re-attaining SSG it's own thing; I mean it runs in completely the opposite direction to normal super saiyan forms.
I love Super Saiyan God in terms of the way it looks for the most part how it works and what not but I feel like Super Saiyan God should have been a permanent change outright replacing the users base form and instead of Super Saiyan blue basically just being a switch between normal super saiyan and a Divine variant blue should have just been what happens when a Saiyan with a Divine body turns into a Super Saiyan.
To me the Super Saiyan God form burning out the way that it does doesn't make any sense and the way that Dragon Ball super refuses to explain what God energy is and how it works adds to the confusion on what exactly is Super Saiyan blue is and how that works seeing as it's a Super Saiyan form that seemingly runs on God energy.
Super New10doh ssjb is basically what you said. When a saiyan turns ssjg and reaches the Ssj version of that they turn ssjb, just like a saiyan can go from base form to Ssj. Instead of replacing a saiyan's base form, ssjg acts as a secondary one with its own Ssj line up. God energy isn't anything special, it's just ki that can't be sensed by characters who can't sense god ki.
Ive been thinking the same thing for ages! I feel ssjg should've been the new base form with characters while not being able to transform into regular super saiyan forms, instead it being super saiyan blue.
@@soulsurj4782 the problem is that Super Saiyan blue is not explained that way. The way that is explained is that Super Saiyan blue is the combination of strength a calm mind and perfect energy control. There is an explanation in the resurrection F Saga where Goku basically says that Super Saiyan blue is what happens when a Super Saiyan God Goku Super Saiyan but if God is essentially a second base form which is never stated or implied to be the case it still doesn't make any sense how he would be able to switch between the two.
On top of that if God is a second base form it shouldn't have a multiplier but we know for a fact that God is much more powerful than Super Saiyan 3 and that form has a 400 times multiplier from base power
Super New10doh ssjg has a multiplier because it's a ssj transformation. That's also why he can turn into it. It's not actually his base form. I only compared it to the idea of Goku having a second base form because it has its own line up of transformations, similar to when Goku is in his base form.
@@soulsurj4782 first off it's not really a Super Saiyan transformation it's a lot like Super Saiyan 4 in that it is called Super Saiyan insert added name here but it's not actually a Super Saiyan form.
Second we don't really know how Super Saiyan God or blue work so to say that God has its own lineup of Transformations is a little misleading considering that we don't know what it is he'll Toriyama doesn't even know considering that the backstory we got in a interview doesn't even match up with what is told to us within Battle of Gods the movie and the Ark
I really like this form. It's not only good looking, but it's powerful too. Gods always look younger than what they actually are. God takes this interpretation seriously.
I've been wanting a vid like this for a while! love it!
For some reason I kinda wish ssjg had like a evolution or something to it. ( SSJG Evolved )
Goku surrounded by red flames will never NOT be the most badass thing ever imo
I loved Super Saiyan God's introduction in Battle of Gods, I always feel like Super Saiyan Blue failed to capitalise on the whole God Ki aesthetic. What should we do after this awesome, new transformation? Just take our original Super Saiyan and make it blue! Wow, how cool is that? A downgrade and a pallet swap :/
Both are lel
@@fusiontoa18 ssg inst lol
@@fusiontoa18 Troll
@@TheRock-ef9qc disagree =troll
Nice one dipshit
@@fusiontoa18 So you are actually dumb
8:35
That statement from Nagamine about Super Saiyan God really remembered me of UI "Predicting enemy movements and dodging them" is esentually what UI is
Correct , and I'd like to think that goku HAD to achieve god ki in order to transforme into UI
Like Goku says if Goku doesnt have ssg Goku cant use UI because UI is a skill that only Gods can use
Ssg can be in space dont drain all energy and heal the person
Not really, ultra instinct is all about dodging without thinking, that also includes predicting movement
You mean super saiyan dog
lol
Dog is goD backwards.
@@unknownbunny9888 sherlock
@@simpbirderenjaeger3620 oh and dog is god backwards.
Fun e
What makes this form works is the fact that it's not something he can unlock on his own like the others. Even Ultimate Gohan happens to be the release of all of his powers, but God, it's a different formula. The only way to achieve this form is by accumulating divine energy learning to control it. It's an external source of power. And the methods to acquire this is, by either performing the ascension ceremony with the help of five other Saiyans or to learn it from someone who mastered it.
This method is not only different from the other power up methods, but at the same time it takes things back to the roots where Goku had to learn to sense and manipulate Ki as well as when he learned Kaioken.
Super Saiyan God is my second favorite transformation. I honestly prefer this form over Super Saiyan Blue and blue is my favorite color!
1:20 I swear that's the only Torriyama foto in existence...
Didn't like it Beerus arc, but started liking it when he used in Tournament of power to help HIT...Loved it in Broly movie...
I like it quite a bit, but my all time favorite is still regular ole' vanilla Super Saiyan.
Same 😌
Ss2
It’s very different from all the others. It’s calm yet powerful.
It’s definitely one of the most unique adding on their technical uses I can see it being more unique than my favorite transformation ssj4
I hope they keep the art style they had for the broly movie when the anime comes back
That style is sooooo good
Ssj god design is just chefs kiss
I love ssgod its definitely more original then ssblue and the form actually has a backstory
Ssjb is supersayian version of ssjg so it has a cooler story
@Kevin Hildebrand What...
Hippity hoppity your soul is now my property that's why it used to be called ssgss
@@kevinhildebrand7367 it's really not cool
@@MAR-sc7np ya it is its ssjg story but then becomes a supersayian but all hands down ssj has the best story
Super Saiyan God is a form that people visually like because of its naturally thin aesthetic, and because our eyes are attracted to warm colors so when we have the red orange color, it makes people love how it looks with those two combined.
I too love the transformation, I like what is done to achieve it too, very different to every other transformations. But there is one thing I dislike about it and that is the rivalry to Beerus and it just only let us see more of Beerus' power. It also made me thought that Super Saiyan God wasn't much of a power boost.
This is why ssg is my favourite form.
I like Super saiyan God and Super saiyan Blue equally.
Both suck
I like God more, SSB came was too early. They should've gotten it around the Goku black arc probably.
@@CoolOkay_ true they should've introduced it in black arc
This form got no time before blue came around
I also really like SSG. Heck, it's probably my favorite form of all time, with SSJ4 being a close second. Bu I also feel like false SSJ is underrated. I mean, the form appeared only once in a non-canon movie made probably ~25 years ago! It's entrance was badass, and it looked cool too. A lot of people say that it's a 25X multiplier to base form, whereas SSJ is a 50X multiplier. Don't know, I guess I've always taken a liking towards the unorthodox...
do you know false ssj is just ssj but they got the colors wrong Because miscommunication
4:45 And also in the movie super dragon ball broly we can see when goku transforming into ssj god from ssj he's actually become shorter.
The simplicity of this form is godly (pun intended). There isn't 69 m³ of hair.
More like god awfull pun intended
@@fusiontoa18 you always have that one guy that just has to spread his hate everywhere.
@@-Genki a differing opinion = spreading hate?
@@fusiontoa18 you're in literally every comment reply section and have to insist how you disagree every time.
Yes that's called spreading hate.
@@-Genki thats just me expressing my disagreement genki san c;
Great video as always Carthu! Keep up the good work!
Carthu, could you please do a video about the many similarities between Golden Great Ape and Super Saiyan God? Like for example, both forms are stronger than Super Saiyan 3, both forms are able to increase their power over time like beyond their respective multipliers when certain conditions are met, both forms can be used as a stepping stone in order to achieve an even more powerful form, both forms are shown in some scenes depicting ancient Saiyan folklore, both forms can be mastered like how Super Saiyan can to make them more efficient, and both forms can have possible variations with each other.
Happy Halloween Carthu!! 🎃
Ssjb was planned to be skinny too, and I think if It WAS skinny I’d think i would like the form way more
Why should we? It makes ssb look weaker than ss
Son Goku what do you mean by „we“? Didnt you Read my comment? I said that I would prefer it
@@hypercumstone44 we as in Ssgss lovers who love it for what it is
@@Hogoku_YT aka bandwagon super fucks who would enjoy anything akira shits out
fusiontoa18 STFU
I just wish that they didnt intoduced ssjd blue they should just have sticked to ssjg
If ssj is bigger and ssg is leaner then ssgss should be the same size as base imo. But obviously ssj and ssgss being the same size makes sense from an animating perspective, easier to do
I disagree, SSG is leaner because its not a follow up of a previous transformation. SSB is legit (as Goku says) the combination of SSG and SSJ. So it makes sense that Blue gets “more buff”
ssj1 when Goku and gohan got out of the hyperbolic time chamber is my favorite. There was a sense of mastery and exclusive knowledge they had about the form no one else did that was just so interesting to me.
i think the idea behind a calming focus kind of form makes sense... but personally even tho im tired of seeing goku and vegeta fight in blue, blue is my favorite form becasue of the brute force aspect... still love the transformation when goku and vegeta go blue especially in the broly movie... but i understand why a lot of people like god...
What brute force
Fun fact:the super saiyan god multiplier is about 28000x because vegeta in the ''My bulma!' scene costed beerus to use 1% of his power (due to the vegeta's rage boost making him stronger than super saiyan 3 goku)and SSG goku costed beerus 70% of his power an 400(goku's SSJ3 multiplier) X 70 = 28000
Retconned percentages
Retconned percentages
I really like Super Saiyan God. The design and idea are interesting. I'm pretty disappointed that it was passed up so quickly by Super Saiyan Blue. I wish Goku and Vegeta were given an arc to use and master the form before unlocking Blue. Another missed opportunity sadly.
I wish instead of introducing ssgss so early they introduced super saiyan god evolution
True.
Who likes super Saiyan god more than super Saiyan blue?
Me
@@75JUNAKI nice
I swear whenever I think of dragon ball Carthu always comes out with a video of what I’m thinking about.
Quick think about a scenario where Cell enters our world to drink Kathleen Kenedy so he can take over Lucasfilm and write a perfect Star Wars movie.
Super Saiyan 3 is my personal favorite form.
Lmao, that intro was funny, in a good way.
Good to see you switched up.
I honestly want goku to merge ultra instinct with super sayain god instead of blue, the God form just feels more final, going against the primal and rage of sayains and super sayain, it just feels like it fits goku better, after all, I would consider goku more of a human instead of sayain in terms of personality, and God form just feels different from other sayain forms, it just fits with goku and ultra instinct
I came up with an idea today, Alright here I go
Ultra Instinct is a perfect state of mind, and looks stunning, but doesn't suit goku, so its good that silver hair is a Plan Z only move, but they shouldn't go down this cheesy true ui omen route, instead Have gokus character go back to another form, one that suited him, and that is super Saiyan god, Super saiyan god is a form of tranquility, it embodies goku as a character and doesn't force him to become something he isn't aka UI, The red looks beautiful and is almost universally liked, It had healing properties, manga made him slim similar to Ui, and In the broly movie goku discovered this paralyze technique, so I thought why doesn't Goku decide to master the God form, the healing, find other techniques etc..and also master kaioken, a combination of mastering kaioken and the healing properties of God, goku can go to numbers of X kaioken boosts he never dreamed of but use the god healing to negate the debuff and risk of kaioken, not saying make goku unrealistic like kaioken x1000, but u get my drift, a combination of mastered healing and kaioken syncs in harmony and its symbolic that they are both red but also fits gokus personality..I think this Mastered god form x kaioken buff if he decides, will look beautiful next to a (hopefully nicely designed) mastered ultra ego, I prefer Red x purple more than Silver x Purple, my idea of goku mastering god also means God is back like everyone wanted
Super saiyan God with kaioken, 2 of the forms that fit him most would be something I’d like to see but it’ll probably never happen.
@@pikastudios2850 very tragic
7:07 honestly I love how they use ssg more than ssb. It makes ssb seem more special in that regard
This and Super Saiyan 4 are my favourite
Super Saiyan God Evolution
I honestly think they kinda wasted the concept of god ki. Honestly i feel as though they could've done more with ssg. Like maybe give it some unique abilities and have god ki be able to do stuff no other form has done like time manipulation or kagebunshino jutsu. Give the form and ssb as well some varied advantages and stages of power. Also give blue different drawbacks and benefits
Give goku and vegeta different ways of using god ki. This would make goku more versatile and varied in fighting ability rather than just "who can hit harder".
Honestly I feel like Super Saiyan God should of been saved for much later and the god forms could of been something Goku needed to work for until the end of the series same with Blue. Goku could still have to use his other forms like 3 to go all out but his base would slowly develop God ki and grow as a result until Goku finally would unlock it, in place of Ultra Instinct, with SSJB maybe even being the Mastered Ultra Instinct of the TOP. I feel like Goku gained these forms too early, which wasted not only the potential of 3 but God itself becomes obsolete by the next arc by Blue which becomes useless afterwards in the following arcs. Im not saying SSJG shouldnt have existed but should of been built up to better and fully unlocked later on along with God ki, being something that Goku actually needed to learn and Master at a much more better written pace with more impact then Super and the movies did.
Your ideas also seem like things that could be apart of God ki and manipulation of it that they could Master too.
@@theoneandonly8403 Blue was obsolete? It was still relevant until Jiren came along. But Jiren at the time was an exception. Even then, it was far useful than 2 or 3 in a climax battle. I mean Universe 6 vs 7 tournament, Future trunks and Broly?
@@64kingarthur Not exactly, not only was Blues only real win against Golden Frieza and Broly after they needed to Fuse to use it. All battles before then with Blue included it was just a means for the characters to stay on par with a villain, Goku or Vegeta never actually beat anyone with it besides Broly who they needed to Fuse to do it, meaning Blue alone wasnt enough and the only reason they won was because they fused then used Blue which still technically doesnt count since they never beat Broly with blue but where about to before he got wished away. Goku and Vegeta only beat an opponent once with Blue. Its like how Iron Man makes buster suits to go on par with an opponent, none of them actually ever work but they at least let him be on terms with the opponent, it's just that it never actually works or gives him a win. Which is my point with SSJB, it only ever worked once with all the other times being a loss for the characters or some outside force managed to solve the problem for them.
But to answer your question exactly, Universe 6 vs 7 tournament had Goku give up before he could win but he still needed the Kaioken to get on par which wouldnt have worked anyways since we see after Goku gave up his body took massive strain on his body and left him with his ki being messed up later, Trunks arc had Trunks beat the opponent with SSJ Rage which isnt confirmed to be God ki nor do we know much about it, and I already discussed Broly.
And about 2 and 3, SSJ3 might of been somewhat useless however 2 had some serious wins in Z and was used effectively in Super. Which is why I think having SSJG and Blue built up too better along with God ki could of let those forms actually shine and could of actually gave them even more victories and could of made God ki and forms mean something and feel more natural as an evolution. While also making the God forms even better and could give them more room to shine as well and actually made them feel more earned then they already are.
@@theoneandonly8403 That's an outright nitpick. Not making a win does not constitute to being useless or obsolete. Being Obsolete and useless is when the form becomes useless against a major battle(SSJ2 right in the Buu saga up to the tournament of power or SSJ3 from Battle of gods to tournament of power; both being rendered only as a stick for measuring the level of a character). You outright generalize that Blue is useless then backtrack when Gogeta used it. God was a stepping stone for something greater which I also don't see why people are crying over it when these are the same people who don't even like the form. If it ain't the usual double standard. If you think winning is always the main point of the story, you missed the entire point being pointed to you.
Yes, Goku needed the Kaioken, but it doesn't change the fact that Goku was still using Blue. It's like asking someone to win a drag race with using only the first gear of a sports car while the other car is also a sports car fitted with a nitrous and is allowed to use all the gears. Kaioken was needed because Hit's hax are plainly way too powerful. But without Blue, Kaioken would still be useless. What has SSJ rage have to do with this? It was only relevant until Goku Black surpassed him. In fact, Blue became number 1 until Goku Black got powerful after a royal beating before Merged Zamasu was born. Even then, Vegito in his Super Saiyan Blue was more than a match for him. ONLY because Merged Zamasu was immortal that it was hard for him to be put down. That is still what makes the form relevant.
3 was flat-out thrown in the trash after Buu and was only recycled as a measuring stick and a stepping stone. SSJ2 only has 1 clear win and 2 relevant battles before being thrown into the Measuring stick and stepping stone zone. That's way less compared to what Super saiyan or Blue has gotten. 1 win and 3 major battles for god and 3 wins, and 4 major battles for Blue. How is that even useless or irrelevant? While Goku and Vegeta are the main protagonist of Super, Dragon ball is still a mystical martial arts anime. The essence of a martial arts fiction genre does not constitute to just winning.
You missed the point on SSG in the manga. The manga CLEARLY portrayed Blue as a flawed form. It takes way too much ki to ignite and a second ignition even took away 90% of Vegeta's overall power. That gives a good reason to use SSG instead. Until they reached Perfected SSB that is. PSSB is a concept I fell in love with the moment I read it in the Future Trunks arc. And that was only accomplished by their use of SSG to cover the weakness of SSB.
I've always been disappointed that super Saiyan God got outclassed immediately by a super Saiyan palete swap
Agreed. They should've given it more time to shine and develop.
@Good Morning ssg affects Goku's personality and physique, supersaiyan blue is just supersaiyan...but blue
@Good Morning It definitely does, it's literally stated in the goddamn show that SSG gives you a generally calmer demeanor, if you couldn't tell from the fact Goku's eyes are relaxed, and just because you may not like the fact Goku's physique is slimmed down for God, it still proves as a good stylistic decision and helps it stand out among the countless beefy super Saiyan forms. You're going off on tangents about shit not even relating to what I'm saying, and just because Blue has slight changes to aura doesn't make it any more original. It's essentially taken the place of super Saiyan for the original series and in the process eliminated a completely fresh transformation in the process.
Such a shame that they don't give enough credit for SSJG. It's one of the most underrated SSJ forms.
Personally, God is my favorite form because I feel like it brings a change of pace in terms of forms and that it’s just underrated in general. If I had to be honest, I prefer God over Blue because it’s faster and consumes much less stamina compared to Blue even though it lacks Blue’s raw power. You can also transform into Blue and then back to God to max out God’s speed and power, making it a powerful form that you can stay in for a long period of time while also having a lot of speed and power, I haven’t watched the video yet but these are my thoughts about Super Saiyan God.
Doesn’t Vegeta do that in the manga during the Goku Black arc?
FrostyPrime yes he does that and claps Goku Black in the process and Goku did that in the Tournament of Power against Dyspo when he transforms into Blue and then back into God to max out the power and speed. Vegeta does the same but he switched to Blue for an instant when attacking and then transformed back into God in order to fuck with Goku Black.
Excuse me what? If you say so buddy.
The eyebrows part 😂
I love this form, I wish it would have been used more the Blue because its just a pallet swapped SSJ
My Top 5 Favorite Forms:
1: SSJ4
2: SSG
3: SSJ
4: SSJ3
5: UI Omen
The aura tho 🤤
I agree
Episode 114 looked amazing an I feel the reason it was more blue-looking was because he was unable to go blue and had to make do with normal god form
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I like how they actually explain ssg very good I like how if all saiyans comes together and holds hands to make it instead of ssgss where it’s just there for the color to me ssg is brilliant and if you think of it they say ssg makes him faster and him being skinny really fits that I just wish they would of kept him that way
The aura that looks like actual fire is so cool
Super saiyan god with the red eyes and fiery aura is the next definition of “badass”
I’m guessing that Goku didn’t know The God Bind during the tournament of power so that’s why he didn’t use it or Is using the God Bind not allowed? Or trapping moves are not allowed? Then Master Roshi’s Evil Containment shouldn’t have been allowed so I think Goku just didn’t know the God Bind but it would’ve been really useful during the TOP
the picture at 6:04 completely killed your argument for why you didn’t like that appearance
I remember when everyone hated this form
Agreed. The Anime proves and supports you and your view as it showed us all this when Vegeta retrained and grew even more powerful, but also cunning in which he began to realize a balance of the two fighting Black (or rather, to fight Black).
Vegeta realized the calm, effective, energy reserves and ability to see, anticipate and dodge or outright suppress-counter Black's punches and energy attacks. When he needed to punch - strike with overwhelming force, he quickly switched between Blue and Red (so much Superman invoked here) and *"bulldozed"* through Black's defenses and attacks.
Very good insight.
Hey anyone realise that when he put base ssg and ssgss Goku next to each other the blue on his gui got darker
This may sound a little clithé but my favorite form is Mastered Ultra Instinct. The aura and calming feeling it lets off is insanely awesome and the Glowing Silver is really cool. But when you include the Insane power boost then you have the best form to ever come to Dragon Ball.
(I'm not saying your opinion is bad or anything but SSG is my 2nd favorite and I really agree with you so keep making these awesome videos Carthu!)
Just so you know leaner is more defined
Always loved the aura and how it actually changes the persons body to be godly and young
Godly? More like wimpy
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