The Zeno Theory.

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    I will be diving into the "Zeno Theory" by going over Zeno’s history in the series, general motives, and showing - with evidence - how he is the God of Destruction for THIS multiverse (they are potentially more multiverses as well).
    After watching the video feel free to leave any and all counter points in the comments below - I love a good discussion.
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КОМЕНТАРІ • 696

  • @ceciliapaz7115
    @ceciliapaz7115 3 роки тому +364

    Zeno created that button he gave to Goku to travel to him or call him!! So yes he creates, in fact created something rather powerful (not even Whis can travel in an instant)

    • @MasterCast001
      @MasterCast001 2 роки тому +4

      No se compara con lo que ha destruido

    • @IamUltraR
      @IamUltraR 2 роки тому +9

      I was thinking about the same thing while watching this

    • @barbarianbijuu
      @barbarianbijuu 2 роки тому +15

      @@IamUltraR Kai's can use Kai Kai which is infact instant its how they got to zenos palace at first c:

    • @QixTheDS
      @QixTheDS 2 роки тому +7

      And yet the Supreme Kai can. A being far inferior to Whis.

    • @hummazhughes766
      @hummazhughes766 2 роки тому +3

      @@barbarianbijuu yea but for the button, zeno can appear with a tap of that button, for the Kai Kai in video timing it takes about 4 or so seconds to do it, and yes I know that Whis stated it on both versions of dbs that the kais can get there in an instant.

  • @normad1005
    @normad1005 5 років тому +669

    What if Captain Ginyu body swapped with Zeno

    • @acky7636
      @acky7636 5 років тому +105

      Captain ginyu will only have the body not the power

    • @matti.8465
      @matti.8465 5 років тому +127

      @@topseynerve
      Maybe Zeno isn't actually strong, he just has the ability to erase whatever he wants inmediately.

    • @user-dc4yr2ev5h
      @user-dc4yr2ev5h 5 років тому +21

      Matt I. Thats makes no sesnse

    • @normad1005
      @normad1005 5 років тому +18

      @@topseynerve Does that mean if he gets used to his new body he will become the strongest being? Since he has more fighting technique than zeno, would he be even more powerful than the Gran Priest theory in this video?

    • @normad1005
      @normad1005 5 років тому +4

      Also, what would happen to Zeno in ginyu's body?

  • @nearthe2nd
    @nearthe2nd 5 років тому +292

    I think Zeno would've been capable of making universes on his own, or with the help of the Grand Priest, and that's why he so casually destroys 6 universes long before DBS and would casually destroy the other 12 universes during the ToP, and that's why he employs Gods of Destruction to destroy planets within those universes. That why Zeno plays a game with planetoids that can easily destroy them. He doesn't care if he destroys anything because no one is his friend, besides Goku or Future Zeno, and before making those friends or if they were selfish during the ToP, he could just make another multiverse to replace the multiverse that disappointed him.

    • @Dizzyloaf
      @Dizzyloaf 2 роки тому +5

      Gah dayum

    • @someweebeyart864
      @someweebeyart864 2 роки тому +7

      Tbh the planetoid game looks fuj i wanna play it

    • @nearthe2nd
      @nearthe2nd 2 роки тому +8

      @@someweebeyart864 Oh yeah totally. Zeno is practically playing Microsoft Windows' 3D Pinball Space Cadet with the Multiverse.

    • @someweebeyart864
      @someweebeyart864 2 роки тому +3

      @@nearthe2nd lmao

    • @merno2040
      @merno2040 2 роки тому +3

      W theory

  • @beast2545
    @beast2545 5 років тому +264

    Zeno represents the fans of dbs, as the fans get excited when a tournament happens, and have great power, as the person can simply switch the channel, “erasing” all the universes, or the multiverse. That is why even gods such as beerus fear Zeno despite his childlike self. As beerus says, “what does Zeno see in that mortal” as Zeno/fans of dbs enjoy Goku as a character and how interesting he is
    Edit: this actually has been confirmed by Toryama I believe (hope I spelt his name right )

    • @NoName-kd1uh
      @NoName-kd1uh 5 років тому +10

      BeastFN I think you mean if we as the viewers aren’t interested the show or in this case the universe . Will be canceled or “destroyed”

    • @beast2545
      @beast2545 5 років тому +1

      Yes that is correct

    • @anbusaiyan7266
      @anbusaiyan7266 5 років тому +1

      Perfect

    • @themanwithnoname5870
      @themanwithnoname5870 Рік тому +3

      Sorry to be that guy but it's Toriyama
      Only one missing letter

    • @Naokarma
      @Naokarma Рік тому +2

      @@themanwithnoname5870 Tbf, if it mattered that much (not claiming you are saying it is, just regular conversation), you could go all in and use the actual Japanese spelling. "鳥山 明" from now on. Or we could go silly with it and call him "bird mountain", cause that's what "Toriyama" means with that kanji.

  • @Usman.Mannan360
    @Usman.Mannan360 5 років тому +287

    Something ive always wondered:
    Zeno can erase grand priest
    But can grand priest reach zeno and kill him before zeno closes his hand?
    Who knows

    • @PlayerJay425
      @PlayerJay425 5 років тому +27

      Usman.Mannan360 the problem with that is that if Zeno is killed the grand priest goes dormant

    • @SebastianRamirezzzz
      @SebastianRamirezzzz 5 років тому +16

      Dragon Jay Z that’s only if this theory is true

    • @PlayerJay425
      @PlayerJay425 5 років тому +11

      Sebastian Ramirez Ik I’m saying that he grand priest couldn’t kill Zeno if he wanted to for that reason. As a thought debunker.

    • @ibiluxx2413
      @ibiluxx2413 3 роки тому +7

      @@PlayerJay425 So technically if Zeno dies everyoen does well we know about Beerus because supreme kai will did and then Beerus dies like the Shin guy

    • @stud6060
      @stud6060 3 роки тому +6

      We know that it was said by one of the kais that Zeno can’t be killed so Idk.

  • @juangustavo527
    @juangustavo527 5 років тому +289

    You know that Zeno is the weakest character if he doesn't use his power but he can beat Yamcha easily

    • @redacted2497
      @redacted2497 5 років тому +33

      I get it he has no combat experience so is physically weak but he can easily erase universes

    • @filindoyt6594
      @filindoyt6594 5 років тому +16

      so just he can destroy anything but will not defeat anyone with punches except yamcha

    • @detectivenuthead7869
      @detectivenuthead7869 5 років тому +3

      @@filindoyt6594 And Hercule Satan

    • @georgeescott05
      @georgeescott05 5 років тому +12

      Juan Gustavo No he isn’t, he just can’t fight. I don’t know why everyone says this, but even if he has no fighting technique, he could still one-shot anyone in the DB universe apart from the Grand Minister, that’s like saying Broly was the weakest because he couldn’t fight either.

    • @bojakguacamole9688
      @bojakguacamole9688 3 роки тому +4

      @@georgeescott05 no he's weak as well

  • @Quitt_Chan
    @Quitt_Chan 2 роки тому +84

    There’s many flaws in the argument.
    He is presented as ruler of the multiverse. Also erasing is not destructing. For every god of destruction there’s a supreme kai. Zeno is meant to be both. Just because you don’t see him create doesn’t mean he doesn’t. You don’t see the supreme kai do any creating and that is literally his job.

    • @sidecharacter3193
      @sidecharacter3193 Рік тому +2

      The kai equivalent would probably be zalama, the dude who created the dragonballs
      Even tho his race isn’t kai, the manga showed that you can still be a kai in training with future trunks taking that role

    • @Bigzthegreat
      @Bigzthegreat Рік тому +1

      zalama's dragon balls still work so maybe he is somehow sealed, like the Z sword or in an entity like Buu

    • @Mopberybus
      @Mopberybus 19 днів тому

      But is zenos life connected to zalama? ​@@sidecharacter3193

    • @lushpaprika4811
      @lushpaprika4811 5 днів тому

      ​@@Bigzthegreatits stated that namekians are from a different realm so zalama could probably be there

  • @Karmaarz
    @Karmaarz 5 років тому +199

    I think that Zeno is that multiverses G.O.D and there are more multiversal gods

    • @gelly8034
      @gelly8034 5 років тому +5

      Same

    • @gelly8034
      @gelly8034 5 років тому +4

      There are probably different parts of the multiverse which the other multiversal gods are

    • @TheSpencermacdougall
      @TheSpencermacdougall 5 років тому +4

      @@gelly8034 i think when talking about more than one multiverse the term that is used is omniverse (or that could just be a ben 10 reference but the name is still good though maybe zennoverse or xenoverse would also work)

    • @gelly8034
      @gelly8034 5 років тому +2

      @@TheSpencermacdougall true because the omniverse is all multiverse combined I think

    • @lordscrubugus9897
      @lordscrubugus9897 5 років тому +4

      If someone's job is to destroy stuff, there must be one who's job is to create stuff, right ?

  • @uk4evar
    @uk4evar 2 роки тому +31

    Isn't it ironic how in a way, the most godly character is the most down to earth

    • @furkancan5219
      @furkancan5219 8 днів тому

      Lil bro uses galaxies as chess pieces and erases them u think he is most down to earth?

    • @uk4evar
      @uk4evar 8 днів тому

      @@furkancan5219 Lil bro could destroy Goku for not giving him what he wants straight away but doesn't because he's down to earth

  • @gelly8034
    @gelly8034 5 років тому +23

    This is why people think the grand priest is the strongest
    1. All zeno does is destroy which classifies him as a destroyer
    2. The grand priest is the father of all Angel's which classifies him as a angel
    3. All destroyers have a angel attendant
    4. The Angel's are always stronger than the destroyers
    That's what I think

    • @cedbluechase122
      @cedbluechase122 5 років тому +2

      xxviciousxx killa in the manga whis said that as far as he knew the grand priest was the strongest fighter

    • @petragon1708
      @petragon1708 5 років тому +3

      @@cedbluechase122 zeno isnt a fighter. And while the grand priest isnt normally stronger, hes way faster and can sneak kill zeno

    • @PlayerJay425
      @PlayerJay425 5 років тому

      Zekom but then the grand priest would just go dormant without a g.o.d.

    • @PlayerJay425
      @PlayerJay425 5 років тому +1

      The thing I don’t like about the way it’s worded is it says strongest fighters not beings

    • @cedbluechase122
      @cedbluechase122 5 років тому

      Zekom oh sorry I guess I misunderstood it then

  • @saeklin
    @saeklin 4 дні тому +4

    My impression of Zeno is that he/she lacks long term memory, or at least has to really focus in order to remember something. This gives Zeno a childlike wonder. Notice how Zeno forgot about the tournament and the High Priest had to remind them. Having a short memory would be a saving grace of being immortal, don't you think? Wait a while and you get to experience new things all over again.

  • @softeealmonds
    @softeealmonds 5 років тому +67

    I can see what you mean.
    Like, if this was true, then how beerus has hakai zeno has its own technique of destruction

    • @_WiZ420
      @_WiZ420 3 роки тому +2

      I see it as, All of the powers thats Gods and mortals have are always an extension of a technique created based off of something Zeno is capable of. The ability to destroy anything given to Hakaishin, the ability to create to the Kais, and so on.

    • @IamUltraR
      @IamUltraR 2 роки тому

      Yeah but Zeno also creates so

    • @IamUltraR
      @IamUltraR 2 роки тому

      Cause he created the zeno button so that comparison might not be correct

  • @SacredNutrino
    @SacredNutrino 3 роки тому +12

    We need a buddy comedy with Zeno and Dr Manhatten getting into lovecraftian level shenanigans

  • @TheReaper6499
    @TheReaper6499 5 років тому +34

    One thing you didn't adress: Every GoD has not only an angelic attendant but also a kaioshin. So who is Zen-Oh's kaioshin? Is it Zalama? Or is it someone else?

    • @la_danc
      @la_danc 5 років тому +2

      Grand preist

    • @SebastianRamirezzzz
      @SebastianRamirezzzz 5 років тому +8

      Future_Gaming 2 no the grand priest is zeno’s angelic attendant, not the kaioshin

    • @spcmartin420
      @spcmartin420 4 роки тому

      @@SebastianRamirezzzz Same thing. Or have you miss the relationship between Beerus and Whis. Maybe we just haven't seen the grand priest "put his foot down"

    • @stud6060
      @stud6060 3 роки тому

      @@spcmartin420 I don’t think that is in his nature. He’s a servant and as an angel he only does his job.

    • @Secre.SwallowtailYT
      @Secre.SwallowtailYT 3 роки тому +4

      @@spcmartin420 angels and kai are not the same thing.

  • @matti.8465
    @matti.8465 5 років тому +19

    If there are multiple universes with multiple Zenos then why was Zeno completely alone then? Wouldn't he be able to find a friend with others who will treat him like an equal?

    • @cringyperson9670
      @cringyperson9670 Рік тому +2

      Because he's not outside of time. There's multiple universes and one Zeno in one single timeline, and another multiple universes and one Zeno in another timeline

  • @akira.a..a.7167
    @akira.a..a.7167 5 років тому +36

    Hey Carthu, I’ve got a good video topic in mind that I’d love to see your opinion on. How do you think Trunks’ “Super Saiyan Rage” transformation works? All we really know is that it was enough to catch Black off guard multiple times, and that it was achieved through sheer anger and well, rage. In my opinion, I feel like the form’s strength is based on the amount of anger or rage the user has while in the state, but I’d love to hear your thoughts on the transformation, like your opinion on a hypothetical multiplier, or general strength range

    • @javonsmith3064
      @javonsmith3064 3 роки тому +1

      The Spirit Bomb stored

    • @astralmaster
      @astralmaster 3 роки тому +1

      @@javonsmith3064 that’s how the sword of hope was created

    • @javonsmith3064
      @javonsmith3064 3 роки тому +1

      @@astralmaster witch fuelled trunk's he absorbed the energy of the spirit sword

    • @story-teller.0140
      @story-teller.0140 2 роки тому +1

      In my head cannon the super saiyan rage was achieved because trunks was surrounded by god ki users... everywhere! We know saiyans are very adaptive so in my opinion his body probably absorbed or adapted to copy to god ki and combine it with super saiyan... plus trunks’ sheer rage he created a new form.

  • @ssjjacob3451
    @ssjjacob3451 5 років тому +68

    Do what if goku allowed krillin to kill vegeta at the end of the sayian saga

    • @ssjjacob3451
      @ssjjacob3451 5 років тому +5

      @bryan diaz varela with this guys imagination I think he could make a better story

    • @ssjjacob3451
      @ssjjacob3451 5 років тому +2

      @bryan diaz varela he does it all the time

    • @ssjjacob3451
      @ssjjacob3451 5 років тому +2

      @bryan diaz varela have u never seen his what if series

    • @stylesc8907
      @stylesc8907 5 років тому +1

      @bryan diaz varela What have you been smoking?

    • @stylesc8907
      @stylesc8907 5 років тому +1

      @bryan diaz varela nothing?

  • @commenterforfun5154
    @commenterforfun5154 3 роки тому +29

    "The More childish and weak looking the character is the more they're insanely powerful" - Toriyama Logic

    • @sixqm2
      @sixqm2 3 роки тому +5

      kid majin boo, kid goku, casual broly, etc

  • @quanturiaowens2643
    @quanturiaowens2643 5 років тому +59

    *Zeno appears*
    Me: Hello zenni!
    Zeno: Shut up, I will erase you!
    Goku: HI! Zenni!
    Zeno: Goku senpai 😍
    Me: *Infinite fear*
    Zeno: *Erases me*

    • @godoverlordquacken4003
      @godoverlordquacken4003 4 роки тому +2

      It'd actually go like this
      Me: hi zeno
      Zeno: hi
      Goku:hi zeno
      Zeno:hi

    • @leomacuco
      @leomacuco 4 роки тому +2

      *Zeno: Goku is love, Goku is life*

    • @r3dsgenocide
      @r3dsgenocide 4 роки тому

      @@leomacuco 😂

  • @Goatcha_M
    @Goatcha_M 2 роки тому +9

    Zeno is a child. Body and Mind. Which is why he is so dangerous, all that power in the hands of someone who doesn't understand its consequences.
    The Grand Priest is the guy behind the throne, the one actually running everything.
    The worst part, is while Zeno can destroy universes at whim, there is no one that we know of to counterbalance him and create new universes.

    • @QixTheDS
      @QixTheDS 2 роки тому +5

      The guy who created the super dragon balls. Zalama, was his name I think. He was able to create dragon balls that have no limitation as to what you can wish for, including the resurrection of several entire universes. It’s reasonable to assume his power is at least somewhere around the level of that.

    • @Masterreeves4444
      @Masterreeves4444 Рік тому

      U think Zeno will be fully grown eons later

  • @thekidsaiyan5749
    @thekidsaiyan5749 5 років тому +11

    Hmm.. I never thought of that thanks for the great video dude

  • @littleogre
    @littleogre 5 років тому +14

    Zeno is stronger then the GP he just isn't a fighter and why would he be? you needs to throw hands when you can just erase people .

    • @adolphgracius9996
      @adolphgracius9996 2 роки тому

      Fr

    • @Aa32642
      @Aa32642 Рік тому

      it never stated “fighter” it said “the grand minister is the strongest person in the world” never implied fighter. gp negs zeno

  • @VoidBornHuman
    @VoidBornHuman 2 роки тому +3

    If I was Zeno I would probably just go "Sup, I created you but you are allowed to do whatever you want. Just don't try to injure me in any way and you're fine."

  • @gamingwithken2903
    @gamingwithken2903 5 років тому +23

    When this mans said the grand priest was str onger than Zeno I was sleep asf . The anime said the grand priest was in the top 5 fighters in the multiverse not the top 5 strongest Zeno is overall stronger but he is not a fighter

    • @BossmanFaizan
      @BossmanFaizan 3 роки тому +3

      And he literally said the manga said he was the strongest

    • @ejscion576
      @ejscion576 3 роки тому

      In the manga he is stated to be the strongest.

  • @joshuahaynes1026
    @joshuahaynes1026 3 роки тому +20

    Moral of the story, be fearless and god might just chill with you.

  • @duckswarm6756
    @duckswarm6756 5 років тому +15

    Is Zalama the creator then? The Super Dragon Balls are said to grant any wish even involving Zeno himself

    • @isakhan3211
      @isakhan3211 5 років тому

      Maybe he the God of everyone even zeno

    • @mitcheldxdyt
      @mitcheldxdyt 5 років тому

      So the strongest character in dbs is a namekain.

    • @CerealExperimentsMizuki
      @CerealExperimentsMizuki 5 років тому

      No he didn't create the Multiverse, that comes in later.
      No he didn't create the Multiverse but he does stand above Zeno and is equal (Maybe but probably not) to the Grand Priest.

    • @petragon1708
      @petragon1708 5 років тому

      @@CerealExperimentsMizuki zalama > grand priest > zeno

  • @Aimai.37
    @Aimai.37 5 років тому +4

    Great channel man, keep up the great work

  • @amolvijayachandran
    @amolvijayachandran 5 років тому +9

    With the way the god hiearchy is going, I'm going to say that the god after Zeno is going to be a teddy bear.

  • @dorahurley8373
    @dorahurley8373 3 роки тому +6

    Bro I been trying to convincing my friends that zeno is a god of destruction of the multiverse but they don't believe me

  • @BagofBeans1
    @BagofBeans1 5 років тому +6

    Here's a concept for you : What if you have other people pose as the heroes in the story, remember the interactive what-if? This might be even more interactive. So basically, the people have to solve the problems, or rather, they have to defeat the antagonists. So you could have a What If (Insert Scenario Here) and have the people who are in charge of the heroes making choices. For instance, finish it quickly, or let the fight the drag on. It would be kind of like Dungeons and Dragons in a way.

  • @maxhydekyle2425
    @maxhydekyle2425 2 роки тому +3

    Gods and Angels: Bowing and shaking in fear
    Goku: "Yo Zeni! Suh dude!"

    • @Aa32642
      @Aa32642 Рік тому

      only the g.o.d.s were shaking not the angels

  • @coolbeans3752
    @coolbeans3752 4 роки тому +32

    Awesome, on a side note I would've had the Grandpriest be the boss. Instead of Zeno.
    And have zeno as his prodigy instead of his master.
    But strick upbringings would isolate him from making friends, similar to Gohan and would lead to a whole new ark making up until where Goku shakes Zeno's hand.
    Here I would have the Grand Priest furious that a lowey mortal would dare touch his son without consent. But let it slide once he sees' Zeno laughing for the first time in eons.
    Fast forward, Goku brought future Zeno and the two boys begin playing, this would lead to a slightly irritated Grand Priest with two children to look after.
    Before Goku leaves he would respectfully, ask for the Grand Priest to give Zeni some independence. Explaining that he can't make him into himself, he has to find his own potential and decisions.
    Later on, this slight scale in confidence would suggest the TOP to the Grand Priest after explaining the rules, and the reasons why he would be impressed that the two Zenos thought if this all on their own.
    Everything would pan out like the original, with Zeno actually being permitted to leave into the mortal realm. With a curfew of course.
    I mean it's not that I hate Zeno he just had no character development.
    And I would've loved to see this pan out like this.

  • @youseftheh4869
    @youseftheh4869 3 дні тому

    this video being randomly recommended to me after this long is interesting

  • @rafic-gs6mk
    @rafic-gs6mk 3 роки тому +4

    goku acts normal next to zeno
    beerus: *sweats*
    supreme kai: :0
    whis: 👌

  • @Aqsticgod
    @Aqsticgod 2 роки тому +10

    if anything this is a lesson in true humility and respect, goku is actually showing respect to zeno by being himself and honest despite his position of god of destruction, and it seems that in this show they arent exactly evil but true chaotic neutral, meaning reason and diplomacy isnt out of the question, as demonstrated by beerus, albeit in a cruel and impossible way. point is, in situations where powerful characters are true neutral, they often lean towards characters like goku because of that humility. its a breath of fresh air from being pampered and treated like a porcelain doll.

  • @redjirachi1
    @redjirachi1 4 роки тому +24

    Zarama is the God of Creation for the multiverse. The Super Dragonballs can create and alter reality to any extent, fits the creation aspect

    • @theoofer478
      @theoofer478 3 роки тому

      No, Not really.
      Zeno can overpower the super dragon ball's wishes. Simple as that, it makes him stronger.

    • @godslayer8894
      @godslayer8894 3 роки тому

      @@theoofer478 no it goes both ways zalama is more than likely stronger

    • @theoofer478
      @theoofer478 3 роки тому

      @@godslayer8894 idk bro

    • @godslayer8894
      @godslayer8894 3 роки тому

      @@theoofer478 we'll just have to wait and see

  • @cy-taku3952
    @cy-taku3952 Рік тому +2

    Zalami: Creation
    Grand priest: Balance
    Zeno: Destruction

  • @julianloanjoe2382
    @julianloanjoe2382 5 років тому +9

    What if zamasu was never stopped by zeno

    • @spcmartin420
      @spcmartin420 4 роки тому +4

      Zeno would notice, eventually

    • @Agent-57
      @Agent-57 3 роки тому

      @@spcmartin420 it would take a lot of time. You forgot Zeno can't see things like whis or grand priest.

    • @JustTheFallen
      @JustTheFallen 2 роки тому

      @@Agent-57 but eventually he would know a feeling of the universe.

  • @MrDj232
    @MrDj232 Рік тому +2

    Zeno looks and acts like a child. If I had to guess I'd say that the being above him is a parent, and successfully running a multiverse is a test Zeno needs to pass.

  • @ervinmontalvo6994
    @ervinmontalvo6994 5 років тому +15

    Yes first again love ur vids

    • @CarthusDojo
      @CarthusDojo  5 років тому

      Thank you but you’re not quite 1st sorry!

    • @ervinmontalvo6994
      @ervinmontalvo6994 5 років тому

      Ohhhh but thx for replying 👍👍👍

  • @CristhePancake
    @CristhePancake 5 років тому +3

    The intro ends at 9:28 if someone wants to skip it.

  • @peterdinning7210
    @peterdinning7210 5 років тому +20

    10 views and 54 likes...
    UA-cam is drunk again.

    • @GinxSNJ
      @GinxSNJ 5 років тому

      Isnt it always?

    • @CerealExperimentsMizuki
      @CerealExperimentsMizuki 5 років тому +1

      No, this is such an overused trope, I see it on almost every video, usually people who come extremely early see the different software errors, the views and counts are always not completely accurate and can give off a slight malfunction due the amount that this site processes and that causes an influx of inaccurate information but usually a small amount, UA-cam is run by a very powerful and expensive system but it's not a Quantum Computer, it's not perfect.
      Still the joke is overused and I don't see it stopping anytime soon but it just bugs me a bit because it's just a stupid comment and I have to get at least one rant out.

  • @MagicToenail
    @MagicToenail 11 місяців тому +2

    My theory is that Grand Zeno's physical strength goes beyond logical understanding and far surpasses even a fusion of all the angels including daishinkan. It just doesn't make sense that a blue and purple toddler holds such a high power and his best move is just erasing things. What if Grand Zeno encounters someone he literally cannot just erase

  • @isakhan3211
    @isakhan3211 5 років тому +10

    Maybe zalama might be his supreme kai

  • @NanobanaKinako
    @NanobanaKinako 6 місяців тому +1

    Imagine using the Super Dragon Balls for a boat 💀
    Earth Dragon Balls: Are we a joke to you?

  • @BanaNa-rw1dh
    @BanaNa-rw1dh 5 років тому +4

    Do what if goku always go full power

    • @CarthusDojo
      @CarthusDojo  5 років тому +3

      I kinda like this one. I’ll write it down.

  • @saphironkindris
    @saphironkindris Рік тому +3

    If you think of Zeno and the angels as just aliens that happened to set up a government first rather than true divinity that created the multiverse, things start taking on a much different tone. Zeno may just be a child emperor from a powerful race after the previous emperor died, with the angels acting as a sort of shadow government controlling the multiverse through their closeness to the omni-king. It would explain why the grand priest seems so sinister, and so often speaks for the omni-king. What if those erased universes aren't actually erased, but are the universes where angels/kais/Zeno's come from, and are simply not gone to anymore, with the angels saying they don't exist. I mean, we're kind of just taking them all at their word for it that they're gods and angels and stuff. We've seen that destruction energy isn't something that only destroyers can use. Ultra instinct isn't something only angels can use. We've seen mortal races able to use 'divine ki'. Honestly, I think that they're just really strong races that came up with some good techniques and have a good PR game going. We've seen some areas where mortals even outperform the so called divine. People like king kai became irrelevant in power fairly quick, and even the bigger divine races like whis can be outperformed, with the yardrats developing an instantaneous movement speed that can outperform whis's fastest movement.

    • @nabeelhassabu8881
      @nabeelhassabu8881 Рік тому

      Dang I read that whole thing and now I'm having an existential crisis wait what if zeno was A HAMBURGER

    • @shenronsuper
      @shenronsuper Рік тому

      hold on this is lowkey genius

  • @thesarkicadvocate6072
    @thesarkicadvocate6072 3 роки тому +3

    I came up with the same hypothesis just a couple days ago. I have a few points that you seemed to miss so I'll probably make a similar video to this with my added points

  • @trueblackknight8409
    @trueblackknight8409 5 років тому +3

    This is a really cool theory I like it and it sounds completely plausible cuz we all know if you're the top dog and you don't want to do something you don't do it 💯

  • @Goastyy
    @Goastyy 2 роки тому +2

    Alternate theory name: The Beano Theory
    Zeno + Bean = Beano

  • @4rkal641
    @4rkal641 5 років тому +1

    Zeno be like:
    Yeetus
    I deleteus
    Ur unvirses

  • @KraigZero
    @KraigZero 5 років тому +4

    It hits spot on to work. We just need Toriyama to confirm this and all will be candy dandy for an interesting arc. Btw, I have a theory of my own. Goku hasn't mastered UI, why? Cause he just achieved it's complete form once and even Beerus said it. Next step for Goku is to mastered it and go higher than it is, just like Ssj in the cell arc

    • @thisguy6177
      @thisguy6177 Рік тому

      Well then, does that mean Zalama is scared of Zeno like Shenron is scared of Beerus?

    • @alpacalover0
      @alpacalover0 10 місяців тому

      @@thisguy6177 Shenron is just a Dragon-Clan Namekian's gift to Earth. Zalama is the creator of the Super Dragon Balls which are essentially omnipotent devices.

  • @aliotsk
    @aliotsk 5 років тому +5

    Hey what about "if captian ginyu transformed into a ssj in gokus body?"

  • @magueyeseck7382
    @magueyeseck7382 3 роки тому +4

    So since there is several multiverses then this is:Megaverse.

  • @villelater2708
    @villelater2708 11 годин тому

    If you think about it...the Zeno summoning button could summon Zeno in GT introducing a third Zeno lol

  • @Sos.557
    @Sos.557 3 роки тому +1

    God that zeno pic right there is looking to my into soul

  • @ezequielamorosino3433
    @ezequielamorosino3433 2 роки тому +1

    I've never consider that perspective. Thanks.

  • @Mopberybus
    @Mopberybus 19 днів тому +1

    Angels are supposed to be more powerful than their gods of destruction but when grand zeno erased everything in the future trunks arc he also erased the grand minister too so that means grand zeno is more powerful than the grand minister so grand zeno can't be the god of destruction

  • @larryfoster8820
    @larryfoster8820 7 днів тому

    Its interesting to think that their are multiple Zeno is different timelines and bodyguards but one grand priest

  • @CyanicCore
    @CyanicCore 3 роки тому +1

    An interesting idea! We haven't really received much about Zeno, but maybe someday he'll be cleared up a little!

  • @scavengerofgames9668
    @scavengerofgames9668 2 роки тому +1

    one day dragon ball is going to get so advanced that there will be multiable multiverses

  • @MagicToenail
    @MagicToenail 11 місяців тому +1

    In the beginning, I noticed a flaw. You said Daishinkan is the strongest but in the anime, it is stated that he is the 5th strongest in the entire multiverse

  • @DokkShal
    @DokkShal 5 років тому +5

    Hi Cartu dogo thank you for teaching me what Zeno is I be watching more dragon ball videos in the future

    • @v-gamer64
      @v-gamer64 5 років тому +5

      Indeed.
      Whoever Cartu is, I bet they are a true doggo

    • @setsun4i
      @setsun4i 5 років тому +2

      @@v-gamer64 I love this comment

    • @CerealExperimentsMizuki
      @CerealExperimentsMizuki 5 років тому

      Ohhhh I love the Cartu Doggo, it's even better than the Doozer Doggo and both of them are so fluffy and cute and...
      Fuck man I'm pretty high.

    • @arecitem1811
      @arecitem1811 5 років тому

      Wrong channel this is carthu dojo carthu dogo is his dog

  • @KrazyKowalski
    @KrazyKowalski 8 місяців тому

    I love the dubbed version where zenny says "you go back or bye bye"

  • @Warriordud
    @Warriordud 2 роки тому +1

    If the Grand Zeno is the GoD of the Multiverse where are the Kais of the Multiverse?

  • @idrisiddi9837
    @idrisiddi9837 5 років тому +1

    amazing video dude

  • @TRAILLER
    @TRAILLER 2 роки тому

    "It's turtle all the way down" and "there's always a bigger fish"

  • @jojoo7030
    @jojoo7030 Рік тому +1

    Now what would happen if cell consumed zeno?

  • @ShadenRyanStudio
    @ShadenRyanStudio 2 роки тому +2

    There has to be multiple multiverses in dragonball only traversable through time travel, which the humans invent. So multiple universes in groups of 12 - 18, each with their own version of Zeno, copied an infinite number of times for all the different timelines that could possible exist. Cool.

  • @clashofnoobs4387
    @clashofnoobs4387 3 роки тому +1

    Hey I swear Zeno told the guards that they would go bye bye instead of saying shut up

  • @quameda1yn308
    @quameda1yn308 5 років тому +1

    If a universe has a
    God of destruction
    A Angel
    And a supreme Kai
    And the muiltiverse has a
    God of destruction
    And a Angel 4 the
    Multi verse
    Weres the supreme Kai
    4 the multiverse?

    • @bryce1rocks
      @bryce1rocks 5 років тому

      I believe that would be explained once dragon ball super continues again, it was said that Zeno is the multiverse god of destruction so the god of creation is the creator of the Super dragon balls (considering it can grant any wish beyond power imaginable)

  • @NinjaAimless
    @NinjaAimless 3 роки тому +1

    MIND...........BLOWN 😳🤯, INCREDIBLE 🤓👌🏾!

  • @DTheCritical
    @DTheCritical 5 років тому +5

    Its also possible Zeno is just a child of a species that ages super slow which would explain why hes so relatively childish

    • @godoverlordquacken4003
      @godoverlordquacken4003 4 роки тому +1

      Yeah. If there are that many multiverses that omni kings have different species

  • @dcoyotzi9667
    @dcoyotzi9667 5 років тому +1

    You should do a what if on if vegeta and goku had a version of them in universe 6 since aren’t they parallel universes?

  • @dovahsblight7677
    @dovahsblight7677 Рік тому

    Zeno's nickname in the english dub (i won't watch anime unless it's dubbed. It's better than people give it credit for) is Zeni

  • @VoidBornHuman
    @VoidBornHuman 2 роки тому

    4:55 "Shut up, I'll erase you."
    My stupid ass: pffffffffffffffffffffffft-

  • @justinb7740
    @justinb7740 6 місяців тому

    Cant we just appreciate the fact that zeno is the ruler of all and nobody is above him as stated many times ? I dont think everything needs some big grand theory behind it

  • @Leglessolas
    @Leglessolas 9 годин тому

    What if the Super Dragon Balls were used to wish for Zeno to be gone?

  • @Adoumoui
    @Adoumoui 10 днів тому

    We saw zeno create something though, the Zeno button. But that's so minor, it could be ignored

  • @JustJoeKing5
    @JustJoeKing5 2 роки тому +6

    I remember when I first watched dbzs I had the passing thought of if someone created the super dragon balls (I thought of it like a namekian) and as such there would be people stronger than that (think of it like a a chain) you got the main cast where there’s namekians then you got the saiyans etc.. but with the super dragon balls you would have this super namekians and then above them the saiyans and that just repeats

  • @cody3504
    @cody3504 6 місяців тому

    Makes sense why they made 17 make the wish since he’s hardly a mortal and constantly makes comments about him being more like a human and that it kind of disgusts him so the ending was a bit nail biting but I’m sure everyone knew he’d make the right call

  • @Goatcha_M
    @Goatcha_M 2 роки тому +1

    Having the strongest Battle Power doesn't make the Grand Priest stronger than Zeno. Zeno may be all powerful, but he is physically weak, not a fighter.

  • @kai8517
    @kai8517 5 років тому +3

    1:58 is that supposed to be frost?

  • @AvatarSampai
    @AvatarSampai 3 роки тому +5

    I don't think Zeno is a god destruction but it's the other way around.
    The gods of destruction of each universe are pale imitations and they have the power to erase but not in the same way as Zeno.
    Zeno's ability seems to be to be a reset, he reverts creation back to it's original state.
    I am not sure what that would be but my guess is that the place and where Goku went when the Genki Dama blew up are the same, it's a realm of pure Ki energy.

  • @janenzmit2875
    @janenzmit2875 Рік тому +1

    I think that the guy who created the super dragon ball is the person above Zeno or like a kai for the multiverse which could further prove the point Zeno is a GoD for the multiverse

    • @KoSMIC_animations
      @KoSMIC_animations Рік тому

      Well, the Namekians came from a new realm entirely (from outside the multiverse) so maybe a Namekian so strong that Zeno and/or the Grand Priest decided that they should watch over the multiverse (thus being the guardian of the multiverse) and then the other Namekians chipped away tiny parts of each super dragon ball and brewing life into them.
      Whaddaya think to this?

  • @markstriker925
    @markstriker925 5 років тому +1

    By default someone is beyond zeno. Because zeon is affecting by time. A true omnipotence God isn't affecting by time

  • @kaybro2324
    @kaybro2324 3 роки тому +2

    Zeno doesn't only destroy! You do know that he can absorb his guards right?.

    • @Eric2XD
      @Eric2XD 3 роки тому +3

      That's not canon. You do know that right?

  • @madDjakni
    @madDjakni 4 дні тому

    What if the mortal ratings are simply Zenos ratings based on how entertaining the universe is to him?

  • @marinelamaka5609
    @marinelamaka5609 Місяць тому +1

    Zeno Is Stronger Than Grand Priest

  • @DreamApostle128
    @DreamApostle128 Рік тому

    8 years later:
    Grand Priest training Goku
    14 years later:
    Goku becoming the next "Zeno"
    While Vegeta becomes the the next God of destruction
    mark my words this is gonna happen sooner or later XD

  • @lakieshae.hargrew777
    @lakieshae.hargrew777 5 років тому +1

    Wow thats cool carthu

  • @Agent-wp3yi
    @Agent-wp3yi 2 роки тому +1

    Anyway they souldve made more serius Omni King not a character made only for new fans...

  • @kelvinclinton7621
    @kelvinclinton7621 3 місяці тому

    I feel like Zeno is the michael scott of the db world

  • @user-yk9yl8wb1v
    @user-yk9yl8wb1v Рік тому +1

    What if captain ginyu swap bodies with Zenoand beerus

  • @valtersplume3726
    @valtersplume3726 3 роки тому +4

    Remember when we thought Frieza is evil? In comparision to the Colourful Brat he's a saint.

    • @barrackthebomba8198
      @barrackthebomba8198 2 роки тому

      Zeno lacks emotions and moral agency Freitas knows exactly what he’s doing so that’s false

  • @crynosinso8324
    @crynosinso8324 10 місяців тому

    I think about it and... Goku is never really scared of Zeno, even after seeing what he can do. He certainly gets a little more cautious but otherwise, Goku just feels as if it's a regular Tuesday. Goku has met and fought people that can simply destroy planets with a wag of their finger. To Goku, Zeno isn't a threat like Vegeta used to be or Frieza is. Zeno is honestly surprisingly fair when it comes to his management of the multiverse, and even made a compromise for the universes that end up getting erased during the TOP. He wanted to see how truly strong and righteous the winning universe was, and see if they could go beyond expectations, even if the G.O.D.s were usually slacking off.

  • @JohnAppleseed
    @JohnAppleseed 2 роки тому +2

    That’s an interesting interpretation of Zeno, I always thought he was purely childlike and stupid.

  • @villss894
    @villss894 3 дні тому

    I don't blame Beerus and his twin I would be scared shitless too if a 4-6 year old had godly powers

  • @barbarianbijuu
    @barbarianbijuu 2 роки тому +6

    It was never stated or even insinuated that the GP was stronger than Zeno infact it was stated numerous times that Zeno is the top currently he is the one who stands above everything the only thing I could see higher than him that has been shown in current dragon ball lore is the tori-bot which is literally just Toriyama writing himself into the story

    • @samsensei5634
      @samsensei5634 2 роки тому

      Zalama?

    • @Aa32642
      @Aa32642 Рік тому

      yes it was stated. in the manga it stated grand priest is the strongest and no it didn’t say “fighter” it said strongest of all use common sense please

    • @Aa32642
      @Aa32642 Рік тому

      being at the top is not being the strongest

  • @genostellar
    @genostellar 2 роки тому

    So the theory is that even more powerful characters exist for Goku to fight one day? Sounds on point.