That's only because People complain when anything off screen happens and we haven't seen any of them not train but would still be foolish to believe they haven't since the last tournament And if we have the other universes involved that were excluded that anything is possible theoretically they can just make everybody strong for the sake of it
I still think 17 is way too valuable to leave on the table. The infinite energy plus his penchant for barriers and defensive strategic combat is way too useful to drop for a relatively untrained Uub.
@@purplewater4387yes it worked to jiren. Jiren is strong too he is prob so close to beast gohan power level im not joking he can stop any one with his eyes even didnt get timeskipped by hit
I agree! The fact 17 isn’t an absolute lock in his roster undermines his entire list. 17 has certain intangibles that no other character brings to the table that make him invaluable. The “team leader” role that Gohan failed to live up to in the first tournament of power was instead a role that 17 effortlessly and selflessly performed like a fucking boss. 17 is the rarest combination of not only fearless but egoless at the same time. He’s unshakable in battle remaining ever vigilant, pragmatic, and situational awareness that is never clouded by emotion. He is never seeks personal glory or validation, nor does he have a love for battle- for him personally and more importantly his role as a teammate makes these characteristics so valuable. He views the battlefield with a calm clarity only characters like Whis can do. His mind remains unclouded and unburdened from the emotions and egos that are often the other characters greatest strengths AND weaknesses. In the first tournament of power 17 was a mix between battle strategist and a first responder. Constantly aware of the changing situations, spotting vulnerabilities in their defenses and opportunities in their attacks, proactively coordinating and taking action whereever needed at whatever cost. Personally, after Goku and Vegeta, I think 17 would be #3 pick of MUST HAVE members on the team!
In the original Tournament yeah but in this one I doubt he'd be needed, honestly Beast Gohan should be enough to solo all of the other Universes unless Jiren and Toppo use potara or something and even then it may still be a very large gap from Beast to Jippo. Lol Jippo is a funny name, imagine an actual potara fusion of them Two.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki I'm still taking him over uub and the other android. He's the smarter and more adaptable fighter. He wasn't the MVP for nothing. Just like sports, you can't just like what you see on paper.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki your loss, that's an edge that I have in this category then. I can see this from an angle you can't. How would you even know that he wouldn't be included? Nobody said there would be another tournament anyway. But if there was, pretty sure they're going to pick the guy who won it for them. It's Toriyama's call at the end of the day and I'm pretty sure he's going to want to service the fans, not add some johnny come lately rag tags to fill out the roster. 93 others and counting seem to agree with me as well.
@@ShinYeg you just described all the points I made and that I already know. He never will be, and of course there most likely won't be another tournament that's why this is a theoretical idea, there's just better characters really, of course it's up to the show creator, oh wait no it's actually up to Toei since Marketing>Logic. I am glad I don't like sports, is the biggest thing in my Country second to Fishing and I've never been a fan of people just kicking balls around a big field, its never been appealing to me, I have far more productive things to work on. And this isn't one of them as this takes out less than a minute of my day each time.
I see that. MUI Goku TOP >= Jiren at TOP. Black Frieza, Beast Gohan, Orange Piccolo, UE Vegeta, Granolah solo easily. Goku/Broly/Gamma could too. Merus after his nerf is a toss up, and it's crazy to think Uub solos easy if all the characters/powerups so far is *leading* to the End of Z, where Uub was evenly sparring Goku with who knows how many forms then.
You gotta remember that the old ToP was composed of the Multiverse's weakest foes. The high level universes were not allowed to compete. I'd say the average power level in the first ToP was maybe around perfect cell level. The fact that Roshi, Krillin, and Tien were able to compete and eliminate multiple fighters shows this.
@@jantheking7028 yes and no. Jiren was still considered the strongest mortal in all the universes, but that's just one person who surpassed the other 9 of his team immensely. Universe 1 is the strongest universe, so it could have 10 fighters that arent necessarily Jiren level, but all approaching that.
I still feel like a resurrected Cell would be hands down the best pick. The TOP is the literally the cell games but on a universal level. His potential is incredible, the fact that he’s on par with super saiyan 2 without a DAY of training is just insane.
nah i think buu would be a massive choice here, if he absorbed opponents (witch aren't killed and can be spat out later) he could gain immense power. I think he definitely lands a spot in the lower 5.
@@Supergusy2000 Frieza had a "Final Form" and got several more. I'm not convinced Cell would be capped at "Perfect Cell" seeing as how liberal this series is with new forms. So... I wouldn't dismiss Cell offa that basis.
This time, intstead of only 1, U7 literally has 7 Ultra Instinct level fighters. Goku, Vegeta, Broly, Granolah, Gohan, Piccolo & Frieza.That's literally insane. They're SO broken. lol Though Android 17 is a MUST! He's easily SSB level and incredibly smart & an incredible tactician.
Well, Freezer was actually dead when he participated last time (which was kind of unfair to the other universes😅) so I suppose Granolah could participate even after his death, with a halo. 😄
Well it didnt really matter if they were dead. They only had to get them eliminate. Plus while he was dead he could actually feel everything. So there wouldn't really be any difference
@@terrancedavidson9343 the point is it's kinda unfair if you can just bring the best fighters of your Universe's history while other people just bring the one they could find. But since they did that with only one guy, I suppose it's ok.
@@guardian3636 Whis can't do that unless beerus tells him to because Whis isn't allowed to trifle with that kind of stuff unless the god of destruction sort of destroys his death
It's crazy that it has been 5 years, and there had been 2 long arcs, but the anime isn't back yet. I also think that they would absolutely not bring frieza unless pretty much forced to.
Ya, the first tournament was necessary to have him join to avoid universal destruction, but the next tournament will most likely be for fun. Giving Frieza a chance to win the super dragon balls seems like it's not worth the risk.
@@chefsalgadobxBruh, I hated the trailer so much!! I get that they want to do spin offs, but why not focus on other Z fighters? Like Gohan struggling with balancing his job, family and training? Edit: We could also have a Trunks and Goten miniseries or Android 17
I love seeing the old school tv with the GameCube next to it, reminds me of my childhood, playing some starfox, Mario sunshine, NFL street, Naruto Clash of ninja 2
You cannot fuse Instinct and Ego, they are polar opposites. You cannot be calm and blood-lusted at the same time. Doing either would cancel the other out
@@justarandomhomosapienhere7169 Until the writer is like F you he can do it, because they are the strongest creatures and most insane plot armoured beings of anime.
9:30 considering Beerus could have probably sensed the Kai within Buu I think it’s fair to say Buu could participate, otherwise Beerus would have lost his mind at the suggestion of having Buu participate
As long as the god doesn't intervene it should be fine. That being said a certain former angel definately wouldnt be aloud to participate so he would probably be the best bet to train buu given his patience. A certain sniper would likely also die out by reaching the end of their life span. Uub definately wouldnt make it. Last 2 spots would likely goto 17 & maybe if we're lucky, Cell. The thought of him coming out of nowhere kicking everyone's ass is hilarious. But it'd probably by future trunks
@@SSNNPBCCThe Sniper can just ask an another set of dragon balls to restore his lifespan so no problem there, it's not even an immortality wish so it can definitely easily granted.
If they were use Buu, they should have him absorb the human fighters before the tournament. He’d have their discipline and techniques for the fight. And they’re all good so their personalities wouldn’t negatively affect Buu in the slightest either.
So you’d have Buu absorb Krillin, 18, Roshi, Yamacha, Tien, Chiaotzu, and screw it let’s say Mr. Satan too for shiggles, and with that swap Meris for Buu and have 17 for the final spot and the whole gang is there.
Trunks was able to keep up with blue and rosé while only in ssj2 rage, if he were to use an even more powerful form like God or blue on top of his rage, there's no telling how powerful he could become
Tbh you’re really underselling how strong Super Saiyan Rage is, it seems to get stronger with each use, as on his first use, he was Blue/Rosé level On the second he was able to briefly hold back one of Merged Zamasu’s attacks before Blue Vegeta had to step in and help On his third time he was able to clash on relatively even ground with Half Corrupted Merged Zamasu (who is stronger than regular Merged Zamasu) briefly before getting the Sword of Hope buff (some people call it Spirit Sword but Legends and Xenoverse 2 call it Sword of Hope and call Vegito’s Energy Sword Spirit Sword instead)
Its hard to justify not having both 17 and 18 in the tournament given how clutch their infinite energy turned out to be. There's just so many quirky abilities that the other universes bring to the table which end up draining a ton of stamina to deal with.
Well with this team they still have some people with technically infinite stamina Broly seemingly never runs out and can go on and on with fighting even if he's getting beaten badly Gamma 1 is a machine so he probably has infinite stamina as well (I haven't watched super hero yet so I might be wrong) Vegeta can take a lot too and his ue doesn't have a time limit like ui Oob is like Broly he probably has a shitton of ki and thus can go extremely long
@@dhfiwxjf Gamma 1 and 2 don't have infinite energy, they have to recharge after a certain amount of time, though it doesn't matter considering how damn powerful they are.
@@dhfiwxjf Gamma 1 and 2 don't have infinite energy. During his battle with gohan, he stated that he only had 82 percent of his energy left, meaning he has a limit. With that being said, he fought like 3 people in a row and never reached his limit, meaning his limit is pretty high
Don't get me wrong having Gamma 1 on the team would be awesome but I'm pretty sure Dr Hedo would be able to make an Android specifically designed for Keeping up with all Z Fighters. The dude made Cell Max which required Gohan to get a new form to beat him.
remember how little time goku had to recruit all the team members, 48 hours. i doubt dr hedo will be able to make an android cell type fighter strong as cell max was going to be in such a short amount of time. though it would be cool tho
Yamcha? when was the last thing yamcha was of any use beyond being killed? oh yeah. in the original dragon ball. and you want him to be on par with orange piccolo, vegeta's ultra ego, goku's ultra instinct, beast gohan and brooly? like hell that's going to be of any use. it wouldn't surprise me if Videl could become a better fighter than Yamcha. in fact, it wouldn't surprise me if she wasn't already.
@@Alzrozax yes. yamcha is just a human but there's a nice list of just humans that can wipe the floor with yamcha. tien, krilin, roshi, even videl could, probably, defeat yamcha. the only relevant human character that we know 100% couldn't defeat yamcha is mr. satan. but even he is more useful than yamcha.
I was so happy that Roshi and 17 had such a big impact on the original tournament. I really don't want to see humans get even less relevant in the series :(
Having frickin SSJFP Broly on the team is basically a win condition unto itself. Throwing in UE Vegeta, MUI Goku, Beast Gohan, and Orange Gohan's Dad just elevates it from a world class jumping to a war crime.
@@FrankOfSerendipity Super saiyan full power. It used to be called mastered super saiyan by fans. It's the completed version of the normal super saiyan form. The normal version of it, which is to say what Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan have, looks like (and indeed is) their normal super saiyan form. Broly's version is different for unknown reasons. His buffed up green haired state is just his version of super saiyan full power.
@@FrankOfSerendipity full power super saiyan, berserker saiyan, legendary super saiyan, theyre all basicaly just stronger versions of super saitan that can grow in strength infinitely because theyre a mutation of the regular super saiyan
I feel like the next tournament should have a twist in it, like instead of all universes fighting for their own universes survival, the teams are randomised with each team having one member from each participating universe in it to throw everyone off as all plans they could've made would become useless.
It obviously wont be the same format as the first ones. The zenos would get bored, so they are likely going to do a huge twist with it. Maybe the Zenos say Goku and Vegeta can't compete or something, and Universe 7 needs to do it without them
I don’t think Buu would have been allowed to fight in the Zen Expo or be allowed on the team in the first place if this was the case. I feel like the other deities can feel the Kai inside Buu. I really want to see what good Buu is capable of at his full potential
When Android 17 wished to bring back all the universes that were erased, did he inadvertently bring back dark universes that weren't erased by the tournament of power? It could bring back to life powerful foes that they might need to beat or lead into the dark dragonballs arc.
Is there any definitive answer to that question yet because I have been thinking about it ever since the end of dragon ball super but I’m thinking that the answer is yes based on the fact that he said all the universes that have been erased and not all the universes that were erased during the tournament
This was my first thought Because Beerus mentioned that Zeno had already erased some universes I think 6 universes, because there were 18 instead of 12. I think they came back as well.
about "the dark univeres" thieory there is a fan manga that talk about it ( i forgot the name) but i think the option didnt rule out cause in the maga at granola arc i think there was mentiond a diffrent dimention so maby it is in fact the dark universe's that we looking foword into
Considering in the first TOP they had freeza who was dead at the time, granolas short life span would no t be a big issue, seeing as whis could just go to other world and recruit him there, then have baba bring him back temporarily, plus if they win (which would be a given cuz yeah) he might even be revived with a longer life span
@@r.speedwagon1758 you remember right. the regular dragon balls can't resurrect somebody that died of old age. although they could pull a fart and say that you can if you first extend his lifespan (similar to what they did to revive krilin when he died in namek) but the super dragon balls can grant ANY wish. that includes reviving seven whole universes.
Something I do admittedly love about how all the main characters are evolving is that they all feel different. All their strongest forms have different attributes and look different. Goku has his Angelic Ultra Instinct. Vegeta has his Destructive Ultra Ego. Broly has his Monstrous Legendary Form. Gohan has his Wild Beast Form. Frieza has his Villainous Black Form. Variety is nice. Especially compared to Z where every Saiyan character just got the same thing.
Goku has his Super Saiyan 4. Vegeta has his Super Saiyan 4. Broly has his Monstrous Legendary Form. Gohan has his Wild Super Saiyan 4. Shallot has his Super full Power Saiyan 4 Limit Breaker.
In Manga, when Goku asked Whis if Black Frieza was actually the strongest warrior instead of Gas or Granolah, Whis replied it could be someone else entirely. The last warrior could be someone else entirely.
Bring back og cell and let him train. He’s android 17 at bare minimum since cell was made to be better. Combine that with frieza, saiyan and piccolo genes, cell could be a true monster
No one can deny that this would be one badass team and probably be the coolest moment in all of anime, but it would be a long shot for something like this to be made. Also I think if it lasts long enough, a fusion of androids 17 & 18 would be a great addition to the team as well
I wanna think that most of the universes are now training hard, or found better fighters for the next tournament because all the universes just saw how powerful Universe 7 and 11 were compared to them. The other universes basically didn’t have a chance from the start. So I think that when the next tournament comes around all other universes would have at least 1-3 real threats that could actually make us believe that they could win.
The earliest universes eliminated would know that they needed to improve, but they couldn't have seen UI (or MUI, for that matter) Goku, nor much of Jiren's power before they got erased, so they'd have no idea how much they'd need to train to close the gap and likely wouldn't have guessed it was so big. The later universes would have some idea at least, but only Universes 7 and 11 were left to see MUI Goku vs. Jiren. Even then, it feels like Universe 7 may have still gotten disproportionately stronger and even Universes who did otherwise properly prepare might be caught off-guard.
In tournament of power universe 7 was in bottom 2nd place in mortal power ranking... however now it must be grown lot. Team growing in point of power and freeze distroing week planets
Honestly if the other previous Universes got busy, training wise, the only two that would give Universe 7 a challenge is 11 and 6. Universe 11: It has Jiren. If he decide to keep up his training like normal or even learn from Angels like how Goku and Vegeta are, he'd obviously be a problem. Dyspo was pretty good. And either Toppo could be further along his GOD training, or if he's retired then Belmod could rejoin the Pride Troopers. Universe 6: Hit could obviously just train to improve all of his skills. Frost could go through some evolution like Freeza. Maybe those two Namekians, who previously fused with alot of other Namekians, could fuse together? And Cabba, Kale and Caulifla could learn ssj God and Blue.... then could get other saiyans to join and learn God ki. Then they could just fuse up and have a better chance 😅
9:35 What I think: yes technically a violation of tournament rules for sure (no gods, and therefore no "swallowed" gods) if buu would participate...but zeno probably would just say "you look very fun, you can fight", especially given buu's childish behavior, look and unique body abilities, zeno would never wanted to miss that in the tournament imo
I really want another tournament of power but with a twist like an evil villain holding the tournament for his own amusement forcing people to fight and survive needing to eliminate even there own team members to win.
bruh, you mentioned that all the humans fighters don't even want to fight... but yamcha was HURT that he wasn't invited to the first tournament, so i can totally imagine yamcha
He did join the galactic police force during the Moro arc. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he stay? Maybe Yamcha got better so I think he should take the last spot.
Day 1: Make a story where instead of Goku Black timeline and zamasu it’s a Future Gohan from another dimension who instead lost Trunks and killed the androids with Super Saiyan 2. Would love to see this emotional story with Future trunks and Gohan fighting.
1: Goku 2: Vegeta 3: Broly 4: Piccolo 5: Gohan 6: Android 17 7: Cell 8: Tien 9: Krillin 10: ????? (Someone that is not Frieza, Buu, Granolah, or Gotenks)
i hope goten gets his moment in the manga soon. personally i believe he could have even more potential than gohan considering how young and with ease he achieved super saiyan.
that for me was an issue. Gohan, who face far more dire threats and didn't awaken Super Saiyan but Goten training with Chichi does. it's stupid. almost as stupid as tingly backs
@@jaredfrancis5062 I think that has to do with the power level that goku had when he impregnated chichi, since the saiyans are a warrior race, the stronger you are the stronger your offspring is. That is why Goten was able to get Super Saiyan at a much earlier age
@@jaredfrancis5062 I’m guessing cause they knew more on how to activate super sayain it became easier for the next gen to use though ngl I’d rather have the back tingles at least that had an explanation albeit half assed
They'd have to go through a very heavy and intense training to become really useful amongst the other characters to be fair. I agree with you that they could participate (specially after growing up) but the other members are like, two god ki users, the strongest Saiyan, an evolved hybrid, a possibly god namekian and freeza Goten and trunks would have to get something powerful to amount enough. Either they also gain god ki or some sort of evolution like Gohan, or they need to make Gotenks stronger and make it count. Honestly I'd love for Goten and trunks to become the face of the series as they could have different stories untill they become as strong as their fathers
I can’t wait for another tournament of power! Nothing but greatness awaits. Especially universe 6 and and the sadala saiyans. Can’t forget about the evil namekians as well.
I think they'll team up with the 7th universe. Wouldn't make sense to let them fight again. It would be a repeat. My theory is when A17 made the wish to bring the universes back. Some universes that were erased long before the ToP came back as well. Remember, Beerus said that there were 18 universes and now there were 12. What if Zeno had a good reason to erase those other 6 universes?
@xskullplayer5566 I mean the god ritual is pretty easy and an interesting concept would be to see further transformations of super saiyan blue since it's just god and saiyan 1 so gotenks could do ssb2 and ssb3 if toei wanted to continue goten and trunks
What would make the next tournament of power interesting instead of a one sided beat down is : Everyone else also trained hard and gained alot of power however as soon as the tournament begins they all gang up on all the universe 7 members like everybody from 7 had to straight up 1v3 or something.
There's probably gonna be a mortal in universe 1 or 12 that has a mortal equal to a low angel level. Because U7 is so unbelievably powerful with multiple fighters that are on a destroyers level near enough. Hit, Top, Kefla and not even Jiren will have a chance to down a team that stacked.
You never know if jiren is training after he lost to goku to become even strong let’s not forget jiren base form was already strong to compete with god of destruction power
I wouldn't count the other universes out that fast, we've seen Goku and co. get stronger in a small amount of time it ain't impossible that they've been getting jacked.
Couple of things to point out. Hedo could just create a new Android to take Gamma 2s spot for number 10 spot. Or heck, create a fully new good version of Cell Max. Second, while we might get a second Tournament of Power, there are no guarantees that the rules will be the same as last time. ToP is a brand new event that has only been hosted once, so them updating the rules and the number of contenders is not too far fetched.
Frieza training in a form of time chamber in some old conquered world seems like a good idea story wise, it keeps him from asking and is honestly a reasonable thing to have from some random civilization. Considering how many techniques and inventions each planet seems to contribute to the series.
@@po72644 personally, you are both mistaken about the OG comment. For me they are just praising the idea. Nothing about them not knowing it happened.
Merus is such an interesting choice. But it is kinda hit or miss if he would even be allowed to be in Universe 7’s team since he’s not originally from Universe 7 But if he was, even though he lost his angelic and god like powers he still has all of that combat experience he’s ever had for however long he’s lived before.
@@Franz082011 Yea for Buu for sure and if lets say Buu does fuck up and sleep again they can always bring people from otherworld or just bring anybody from earth cause of how stacked U7 is right now
This video spoke so many facts it brought a smile to me, but a mini rant right here, is that Tien should get way more love than he does, I know he is just an earthling with a special beam attack... But he deserves some special form to do with his third eye, or maybe some upgrade to his tri beam or something! All we can do is keep hoping.
Problem is Uub can't appear unless a future Super arc takes place after the End of Z. Goku and Uub still have to have their initial meeting at the tournament, and introducing Uub any more than he's already done in the Moro arc would mess up continuity.
Next Tournament of Power shouldn't take place just between universes. It'll be more interesting to involve Fighters of Different universes teaming up and fighting against some other team. I want to watch Jiren and HIT fighting with SAIYANS against a completely new team with some insanely powerful fighters
A17 wished all the universes back. Zeno had already erased 6 universes before the ToP. So I think those universes came back as well. What if they were erased because they were dangerous? We could get a great team against those 6 universes. Goku, Broly, Top, Jiren, Frieza, Vegeta, Piccolo and 2 others.
I think the next tournament of power or what ever the next tournament is called will be a death match where the contestants or the winning teams members get revived at the end. This would be a more brutal tournament.
The beauty of the TOP was everyone got a chance to shine. Even Roshi. Introducing so many new characters to a huge TOP arc would lesson the emotional impact of the story as most are less invested in their lives. I think the writers would be better off finding a way to giving Krillen and Tien some kind of equaliser. A technique or technology. Imagine if Tien could phase, for example, he'd be able to avoid damage but not be able to attack whilst using it. Or maybe give Krillen an energy absorption suit. He uses the syphoned energy to create a shield and a destructo disc capable of injuring characters far more powerful than him.
They can at least give humans kaioken. With Tien, they could maybe unnerf his multiform and let him keep his full power instead of splitting it when he makes the clones. Also give each clone four arms and then upgrade the neo tri beam again and then boom, maybe relevant. Thats just my idea though. With krillin, if they could give him kaioken and then maybe upgrade the destructo disc like he upgraded the solar flare. Humans have been shown to have insane energy manipulation (krillin would have killed nappa had vegeta not told him to dodge, and he cut off friezas tail, tien holding back cell, and the creator of the kamehameha roshi) and they should explore that route, as it would make the most sense.
not going to lie. That team would be absolutely insane and fun to watch. I could see android 17 or buu being in for merus. But you could even have Buu mentor Uub as the tournament went on as a side plot.
9:36 at least Yamcha seemed like he wanted to participate. So If they do have another tournament they could probably include him (I really want them to being a Yamcha stan) SDBH probably included him in the anime/manga since he didn't get to participate in the ToP.
I don't really understand why your a Yamcha fan since to me personally, there is no reason to be but... There are VERY obvious reasons he won't be added
@@SoraBSoarin Well he had actually had a character trait in OG Dragon ball before Z just took off any character he had, I also just like his attacks like his Wolf Fang Fist and Spirit ball. And a fan manga named "Dragon ball Elsewhere" made me like his character even more even though it's fan made. And I just like the underdogs in most anime's in general so that could probably be another reason as to why I'm a big fan of his.
Uub seriously gets me excited. I know dragonball should probably wind down the timeline at this point but I really want him to get a moment to shine in canon.
Carthu knows so much about DB, every time I watch one of his videos, I learn something new. I was always one of those people who said Buu would be amazing, not even thinking about the fact that a Kai is controlling him, thus not letting him participate.
@@Snuffan Yeah but he contains god ki, that's what he used against Moro, and I believe he's immortal, so he has the basic ideas of being a God, which is why they banned Kais.
i feel like goten and trunks would have been a good pick they did show great strength in the super hero movie and even with the failed fusion they were strong so just imagine them with complete fusion.
Now that i think about it, if i understood right, Granolah’s wish made it so his lifespan basically skipped until he was the strongest in the universe, similar to hit. So if they just gave him eternal youth, that could make him quite literally infinitely powerful since his power would just increase eternally right?
I don't think it works logically like that. It being dragonball, anything is possible, though. Even with eternal youth, Granola can still die or turn brain dead. They would have to wish for eternal youth, immortality, and regeneration for it to work. And I think if they did, it would automatically disqualify him for basically turning into a god?
that's not what the wish did. what it did was spend all his lifeforce in such concentrated ammounts that his power skyrocketed. so if you give him eternal youth that's doing the opposite and by nececity you would need to make him weaker or give him lifeforce from somewhere else. this ofcourse raises the question if the wish dragons can let him take this lifeforce elsewhere but considering the only way they could power him up was to burn his i doubt it.
Granolah traded his life span for strength. This was a one time transaction. Increasing his life span would not increase his strength since he no longer has a way to exchange it. *Gas* however would keep getting stronger with an increased life span since his wish was that he wanted to be the strongest in the universe forever. This was a curse that drained his life span every time Goku or Vegeta surpasses him - trading away even more of his life span to become stronger than them. Granolah didn't get stronger than Gas after the wish but Gas kept increasing power
Are we ever going to see goten and trunks grow up and trap into their potential? They weren't allowed in the first tournament and age a bit in Super Hero. I think it's time they get some more shine, individually not as gotenks
They were meant to be the next Gohan. I mean as CHILDREN they gained SS and fused Gotenks went up against Buu. But since then they've become comic relief.
I was thinking Uub, this list is perfectly constructed. It'll be interesting to see if any additional characters are introduced in the series before a ToP2 would happen, if it does.
My List For Tournament Of Power 1.Goku 2.vegeta 3.Gohan 4.Granolah 5.Broly 6.Uub 7.Moro If merus isn't allowed 8.Piccolo 9.Buu(Normal) 10.Future Trunks
thinking of strategy over raw power, the 10th place is without a doubt for Majin Buu, and if he isn't allowed to participate, even Dende or some random namek with healing powers should take that spot as a support, maybe Granola protecting him at all times and taking him from place to place where needed while pushing off platform weaker oponents
@@akash5733 i dont think there will ever be another tournament of power. the closest you will probably get to that is in a future arc where they will probably have to help another universe, if that even happens.
@Leomyd That still doesn't really make sense. That would imply that End of Z Goku at base is at the same or similar level as Uub even considering MUI, UI, SSGSS Kaioken, SSGSS, God..etc. of course we also didn't see any of these transformations either at the end because they didn't exist.
I’m so glad he clarified they’d have to find a way to extend Granolah’s lifespan because as soon as he said Uub I was like “Yea but now you back to 9 people because Granolah is gonna be dead by the time Uub ready”
@The Weavile Frieza had everything to lose, which is why Goku was able to call his bluff. If the universe got erased, everybody in Other World and Hell would've been erased as well.
It's hard to do since we don't know how strong the other universes have gotten. Time has passed for them too so they might be a lot stronger than we're giving them credit for.
@@CarthusDojo yes I agree, if we get more info on the other universes then with your style of presentation that video will be soo epic, also big fan of your content thank you for providing the many hours of interesting and exciting content!
@@CarthusDojo personally, I believe it would be really cool if we saw other races from other universe be trained by the gods to use got ki, like could you imagine a Namekian using God ki?
@@CarthusDojo I think Gohan Beast should be able to solo every single Universe unless Jiren has trained even harder than Vegeta and unlocked a new form or Two and has God Ki and Mastered Ultra Instinct, then Jiren may be ale to rival Gohan Beast.
A new Tounament of Power would not be interesting unless it had the 4 universes that were let out of tha last tournament. Otherwise, Universe 11 and the others would need massive upgrades as well.
jiren begins training more with toppo, boosting both of their powers, with jiren learning god ki and toppo mastering his destroyer form, maybe even learning about ultra ego. Plus dyspo can get a speed and reflex boost. Hit can be trained by champa and vados and expand on his time abilities.
@@ProjektTaku If Kale and Caulifa can match SSJB Goku in 30 minutes, image how strong they would be after some training. Also, we could get the king of planet Sidala making the cut for Universe 6 as well. Maybe Frost training for his revenge because of earlier humiliation finds a new transformation. Pretty sure Hit would learn time travel in that time. Imagine him going 10 minutes into the future and using the information about the outcomes to change his present fight.
@@aniketmodi6346 I don't think kale and caulifla are ssb goku level since goku only went blue after they fused. Still crazy tho how they did pretty well against mid TOP god goku. Salada's king would be an awesome and could be really strong. Bro, imagine hit gets precog to see 5-10s into the future, essentially a bootleg UI.
@@purplethephoenix5691 same. Felt cool and consistent, really wish it was in the anime, although I'm not a fan of Kale just speedrunning the TOP's fighters.
With how broken and OP the cast is at this point (really, giving my boy Gohan a new form, aswell as finally redeeming the main man himself Piccolo was such a well made move) it's save to say that the next battle would be a massacre on every front. Beeing on the topic of giving upgrades, Yamcha. C'mon, show this man some love For my universe 7 team? 10 Yamchas, easy game
You guys are forgetting the fact that other universes are capable to train What if Jiren or others unlocks godly ki? Or if the other universes who didn’t participate the first time did this time?
@@ShrekyChad I didn't automatically assume that, I was just saying, other universes are capable of training just like Goku, Frieza, and others. How else would Jiren's base power would be so high? I don't know why everyone thinks that this would be a one-sided battle, at the very least I think Velmond would train Jiren and Toppo more then he has
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@@SuperTartnope not at all how it works, they didn't participate because of the mortal level. The mortal level is just the standard of living not how powerful the mortals are 🤦🏾♂️
@@maymay5600 u said like Androids powers got reduced bc of times lol no both 17 and 18 are more op now androids power will increase as more time pass instead of decreasing
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Universe 7 is so unfairly stacked it's insane
only if broly doesnt go insane 🙃
@@Amazed_YT no they didn’t participate because they already had a high enough mortal level they didn’t need to participate
Fax
That's only because People complain when anything off screen happens and we haven't seen any of them not train but would still be foolish to believe they haven't since the last tournament And if we have the other universes involved that were excluded that anything is possible theoretically they can just make everybody strong for the sake of it
@@Amazed_YT Stop making up headcannon
I still think 17 is way too valuable to leave on the table. The infinite energy plus his penchant for barriers and defensive strategic combat is way too useful to drop for a relatively untrained Uub.
true uub has potential, but hes like 7 bruh hows he supposed to match jiren level power
@@Mr.__Sofi actually seeing as there have been time skips this new TOP could take place years after so uub could be old enough
"You think a barrier would work?"
@@purplewater4387yes it worked to jiren. Jiren is strong too he is prob so close to beast gohan power level im not joking he can stop any one with his eyes even didnt get timeskipped by hit
I agree! The fact 17 isn’t an absolute lock in his roster undermines his entire list. 17 has certain intangibles that no other character brings to the table that make him invaluable. The “team leader” role that Gohan failed to live up to in the first tournament of power was instead a role that 17 effortlessly and selflessly performed like a fucking boss. 17 is the rarest combination of not only fearless but egoless at the same time. He’s unshakable in battle remaining ever vigilant, pragmatic, and situational awareness that is never clouded by emotion. He is never seeks personal glory or validation, nor does he have a love for battle- for him personally and more importantly his role as a teammate makes these characteristics so valuable. He views the battlefield with a calm clarity only characters like Whis can do. His mind remains unclouded and unburdened from the emotions and egos that are often the other characters greatest strengths AND weaknesses. In the first tournament of power 17 was a mix between battle strategist and a first responder. Constantly aware of the changing situations, spotting vulnerabilities in their defenses and opportunities in their attacks, proactively coordinating and taking action whereever needed at whatever cost. Personally, after Goku and Vegeta, I think 17 would be #3 pick of MUST HAVE members on the team!
17 is the MVP and overall best teammate on the team. He was like the team's point guard and extremely intelligent and vital.
In the original Tournament yeah but in this one I doubt he'd be needed, honestly Beast Gohan should be enough to solo all of the other Universes unless Jiren and Toppo use potara or something and even then it may still be a very large gap from Beast to Jippo. Lol Jippo is a funny name, imagine an actual potara fusion of them Two.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki I'm still taking him over uub and the other android. He's the smarter and more adaptable fighter. He wasn't the MVP for nothing. Just like sports, you can't just like what you see on paper.
@@ShinYeg I don't like sports, Android 17 won't be in any future tournaments.
@@CerealExperimentsMizuki your loss, that's an edge that I have in this category then. I can see this from an angle you can't. How would you even know that he wouldn't be included? Nobody said there would be another tournament anyway. But if there was, pretty sure they're going to pick the guy who won it for them. It's Toriyama's call at the end of the day and I'm pretty sure he's going to want to service the fans, not add some johnny come lately rag tags to fill out the roster. 93 others and counting seem to agree with me as well.
@@ShinYeg you just described all the points I made and that I already know. He never will be, and of course there most likely won't be another tournament that's why this is a theoretical idea, there's just better characters really, of course it's up to the show creator, oh wait no it's actually up to Toei since Marketing>Logic.
I am glad I don't like sports, is the biggest thing in my Country second to Fishing and I've never been a fan of people just kicking balls around a big field, its never been appealing to me, I have far more productive things to work on. And this isn't one of them as this takes out less than a minute of my day each time.
Are we gonna ignore the fact how badass the thumbnail looks
I want it as a poster or bad ass painting
"5 tickets for Despicable Me 3, please"
At this point over half the team can solo the old TOP
I see that. MUI Goku TOP >= Jiren at TOP. Black Frieza, Beast Gohan, Orange Piccolo, UE Vegeta, Granolah solo easily. Goku/Broly/Gamma could too. Merus after his nerf is a toss up, and it's crazy to think Uub solos easy if all the characters/powerups so far is *leading* to the End of Z, where Uub was evenly sparring Goku with who knows how many forms then.
You gotta remember that the old ToP was composed of the Multiverse's weakest foes. The high level universes were not allowed to compete. I'd say the average power level in the first ToP was maybe around perfect cell level. The fact that Roshi, Krillin, and Tien were able to compete and eliminate multiple fighters shows this.
@@jantheking7028 yes it has weak people but not only the weakest people
@@jantheking7028 yes and no. Jiren was still considered the strongest mortal in all the universes, but that's just one person who surpassed the other 9 of his team immensely. Universe 1 is the strongest universe, so it could have 10 fighters that arent necessarily Jiren level, but all approaching that.
@@jantheking7028the universe’s mortal level had nothing or at least very little to do with actual power
I still feel like a resurrected Cell would be hands down the best pick. The TOP is the literally the cell games but on a universal level. His potential is incredible, the fact that he’s on par with super saiyan 2 without a DAY of training is just insane.
Well he did train 1 day by destroyed a metoer and hit parts of the metoer rocks as part of his training
nah i think buu would be a massive choice here, if he absorbed opponents (witch aren't killed and can be spat out later) he could gain immense power. I think he definitely lands a spot in the lower 5.
and buus power boost from absorbing is much greater since cell caps out at perfect form
@@Supergusy2000 Frieza had a "Final Form" and got several more.
I'm not convinced Cell would be capped at "Perfect Cell" seeing as how liberal this series is with new forms. So... I wouldn't dismiss Cell offa that basis.
@@WaltonGFilm the dude definitely would have something like Ultimate Cell
Bro I thought he was going to say Yamcha for the last one 💀
I was going say Trunks
@@KevinMedina-ee9xl trunks wouldnt be allowed no way Bulma would allow him
@@KevinMedina-ee9xlor the grand priest
Ui yamcha is not canon yet
@@ItsShroowho cares bulma just send bulma on a trip with lots of money, she don't care for trunks, and trunks can easily go
This time, intstead of only 1, U7 literally has 7 Ultra Instinct level fighters. Goku, Vegeta, Broly, Granolah, Gohan, Piccolo & Frieza.That's literally insane. They're SO broken. lol
Though Android 17 is a MUST! He's easily SSB level and incredibly smart & an incredible tactician.
But he wouldn’t want to
That 10 spot will always be reserved in my heart for Future Trunks. :(
I bet he will comeback to past if another disaster happen in future just to continue the story
@@mala1s6003imagine if baby is a future villain like black or the androids
@@TWLSoyuma are referring to dragonball GT charac?
@@mala1s6003 yeah
@@TWLSoyuma its well be good but i think if goku black from other time line and that goku black was goten come back its well be so good and better
Well, Freezer was actually dead when he participated last time (which was kind of unfair to the other universes😅) so I suppose Granolah could participate even after his death, with a halo. 😄
this guy right here is spittin
Well it didnt really matter if they were dead. They only had to get them eliminate. Plus while he was dead he could actually feel everything. So there wouldn't really be any difference
@@terrancedavidson9343 the point is it's kinda unfair if you can just bring the best fighters of your Universe's history while other people just bring the one they could find.
But since they did that with only one guy, I suppose it's ok.
Couldn't whis bring him back to life just with frieza?
@@guardian3636 Whis can't do that unless beerus tells him to because Whis isn't allowed to trifle with that kind of stuff unless the god of destruction sort of destroys his death
It's crazy that it has been 5 years, and there had been 2 long arcs, but the anime isn't back yet. I also think that they would absolutely not bring frieza unless pretty much forced to.
Ya, the first tournament was necessary to have him join to avoid universal destruction, but the next tournament will most likely be for fun. Giving Frieza a chance to win the super dragon balls seems like it's not worth the risk.
Probably never will 😢 especially with them focusing on Dragon Ball Daima
I mean it has to happen eventually, no way they would abandon free money@@chefsalgadobx
@@chefsalgadobxdefinitely will come back in a few years. Daima is a miniseries and super hasn’t come back due to legal issues.
@@chefsalgadobxBruh, I hated the trailer so much!!
I get that they want to do spin offs, but why not focus on other Z fighters?
Like Gohan struggling with balancing his job, family and training?
Edit: We could also have a Trunks and Goten miniseries or Android 17
I love seeing the old school tv with the GameCube next to it, reminds me of my childhood, playing some starfox, Mario sunshine, NFL street, Naruto Clash of ninja 2
Rip Toriyama, we Love you.
Cringe where is he here didn't know he was in top
@@alehlete830tf?
@@alehlete830tf you mean cringe imagine hating on a dead person
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@@alehlete830 ☝️🤓
When you talked about the humans i was half expecting you to say Yamcha cuz he genuinely wanted to be a part of it
Same brother same
Lmao I was totally thinking "Holy shit he's going to say Yamcha."
@@TheTurdle when I saw the reveal I was like HELL YEAH FUCK YAMCHA lol
I'm pretty sure he intentionally played that up.
Same he was also in the panel he showed so I thought he was gonna say him lol.
Imagine if ultra instince and ultra ego fused: "you can't touch me but if you touch me ill get stronger" 😬
You cannot fuse Instinct and Ego, they are polar opposites. You cannot be calm and blood-lusted at the same time. Doing either would cancel the other out
@@justarandomhomosapienhere7169true but the writers could find a way like they always do
No when he doges he gets stronger
@@justarandomhomosapienhere7169 the main comment starts with the word "IMAGINE" sherlock😂😂
@@justarandomhomosapienhere7169 Until the writer is like F you he can do it, because they are the strongest creatures and most insane plot armoured beings of anime.
I love how Trunk and Goten just disappeared
They JUST had an arc in the manga wdym
@@Caydeeboiya after all these years just one arc😂
@@SsjMenace-d1n how many arcs do you expect them to have their not the mc
@@Caydeeboididn’t do much
9:30 considering Beerus could have probably sensed the Kai within Buu I think it’s fair to say Buu could participate, otherwise Beerus would have lost his mind at the suggestion of having Buu participate
As long as the god doesn't intervene it should be fine. That being said a certain former angel definately wouldnt be aloud to participate so he would probably be the best bet to train buu given his patience. A certain sniper would likely also die out by reaching the end of their life span. Uub definately wouldnt make it. Last 2 spots would likely goto 17 & maybe if we're lucky, Cell. The thought of him coming out of nowhere kicking everyone's ass is hilarious. But it'd probably by future trunks
I was under the impression that he could because beerus would’ve sensed his Kai ki
Top literally became a Destroyer in the last Tournament of Power, and was not disqualified.
@@SSNNPBCCThe Sniper can just ask an another set of dragon balls to restore his lifespan so no problem there, it's not even an immortality wish so it can definitely easily granted.
If they were use Buu, they should have him absorb the human fighters before the tournament. He’d have their discipline and techniques for the fight. And they’re all good so their personalities wouldn’t negatively affect Buu in the slightest either.
Man seeing buu do the wolf fang fist would be awesome
@@Fugitive685 Wolf fang fist is an awesome technique that's unfortunately stuck to one of the weakest fighters.
then vegeta could just split them later
This is actually a dope idea
So you’d have Buu absorb Krillin, 18, Roshi, Yamacha, Tien, Chiaotzu, and screw it let’s say Mr. Satan too for shiggles, and with that swap Meris for Buu and have 17 for the final spot and the whole gang is there.
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@@CarthusDojo bro ur so epic but we still need the "The story if DBS i guess" xd
@@aurelkom9885 lol
@@aurelkom9885 dbs is still going so he can't
@@aurelkom9885 it's probably gonna be "The story of dragon ball GT, i guess" first
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So funny I laugh so hard
Trunks was able to keep up with blue and rosé while only in ssj2 rage, if he were to use an even more powerful form like God or blue on top of his rage, there's no telling how powerful he could become
i was really disappointed that future trunks wasn’t in the T.O.P i feel like it was a huge missed opportunity!
Well, time travel is pretty illegal so I doubt that he would be allowed
Tbh you’re really underselling how strong Super Saiyan Rage is, it seems to get stronger with each use, as on his first use, he was Blue/Rosé level
On the second he was able to briefly hold back one of Merged Zamasu’s attacks before Blue Vegeta had to step in and help
On his third time he was able to clash on relatively even ground with Half Corrupted Merged Zamasu (who is stronger than regular Merged Zamasu) briefly before getting the Sword of Hope buff (some people call it Spirit Sword but Legends and Xenoverse 2 call it Sword of Hope and call Vegito’s Energy Sword Spirit Sword instead)
Yeah but that's not on the manga, and having different characters in the anime and manga would be a problem.
@@dragonslayer-ld2giif it’s fun for Zeno it’s allowed
Its hard to justify not having both 17 and 18 in the tournament given how clutch their infinite energy turned out to be. There's just so many quirky abilities that the other universes bring to the table which end up draining a ton of stamina to deal with.
True I really forgot the most op ability.😅
Well with this team they still have some people with technically infinite stamina
Broly seemingly never runs out and can go on and on with fighting even if he's getting beaten badly
Gamma 1 is a machine so he probably has infinite stamina as well (I haven't watched super hero yet so I might be wrong)
Vegeta can take a lot too and his ue doesn't have a time limit like ui
Oob is like Broly he probably has a shitton of ki and thus can go extremely long
Bro imagine if we get super 17 how Stacked Is that team then
@@dhfiwxjf Gamma 1 and 2 don't have infinite energy, they have to recharge after a certain amount of time, though it doesn't matter considering how damn powerful they are.
@@dhfiwxjf Gamma 1 and 2 don't have infinite energy. During his battle with gohan, he stated that he only had 82 percent of his energy left, meaning he has a limit. With that being said, he fought like 3 people in a row and never reached his limit, meaning his limit is pretty high
Don't get me wrong having Gamma 1 on the team would be awesome but I'm pretty sure Dr Hedo would be able to make an Android specifically designed for Keeping up with all Z Fighters.
The dude made Cell Max which required Gohan to get a new form to beat him.
Imagine Perfect Cell Max
remember how little time goku had to recruit all the team members, 48 hours. i doubt dr hedo will be able to make an android cell type fighter strong as cell max was going to be in such a short amount of time. though it would be cool tho
Let’s remember that cell max never reached full incubation/form
No joke... Yamcha was extremely interested last time, and i would LOVE to see him get some training in and reignite his fighting spirit
Yamcha?
when was the last thing yamcha was of any use beyond being killed?
oh yeah. in the original dragon ball.
and you want him to be on par with orange piccolo, vegeta's ultra ego, goku's ultra instinct, beast gohan and brooly?
like hell that's going to be of any use. it wouldn't surprise me if Videl could become a better fighter than Yamcha. in fact, it wouldn't surprise me if she wasn't already.
Bro they not givin Yamcha that treatment 😂 everyone that fights now is literally at a god level and yamcha is just a humans
@@Alzrozax yes. yamcha is just a human but there's a nice list of just humans that can wipe the floor with yamcha.
tien, krilin, roshi, even videl could, probably, defeat yamcha.
the only relevant human character that we know 100% couldn't defeat yamcha is mr. satan. but even he is more useful than yamcha.
Tenshin was a lot better
@@WilliamWizer The manga actually did him a bit of justice in the Moro arc, when he handled some of Moro’s goons without a problem.
I was so happy that Roshi and 17 had such a big impact on the original tournament. I really don't want to see humans get even less relevant in the series :(
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I mean Uub when he trains with goku
@@BigSoulja69 that's not canon though right?
It is??
GT isnt canon
Having frickin SSJFP Broly on the team is basically a win condition unto itself. Throwing in UE Vegeta, MUI Goku, Beast Gohan, and Orange Gohan's Dad just elevates it from a world class jumping to a war crime.
What the heck is SSJFP?
@@FrankOfSerendipity Super saiyan full power. It used to be called mastered super saiyan by fans. It's the completed version of the normal super saiyan form. The normal version of it, which is to say what Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan have, looks like (and indeed is) their normal super saiyan form.
Broly's version is different for unknown reasons. His buffed up green haired state is just his version of super saiyan full power.
Orange Gohan’s dad is sending me
@@FrankOfSerendipity full power super saiyan, berserker saiyan, legendary super saiyan, theyre all basicaly just stronger versions of super saitan that can grow in strength infinitely because theyre a mutation of the regular super saiyan
Gohan's Dad ☠️☠️☠️☠️☠️
“Who’s the monkey now Frieza”
Well he is now
I feel like the next tournament should have a twist in it, like instead of all universes fighting for their own universes survival, the teams are randomised with each team having one member from each participating universe in it to throw everyone off as all plans they could've made would become useless.
this actually a very good idea
Imagine jiren goku and hit in the same team lmao
@@bamrus603 overkill, but there are definitely more absurd teams
@@user-qj4px6ob4y ye prob
It obviously wont be the same format as the first ones. The zenos would get bored, so they are likely going to do a huge twist with it. Maybe the Zenos say Goku and Vegeta can't compete or something, and Universe 7 needs to do it without them
I don’t think Buu would have been allowed to fight in the Zen Expo or be allowed on the team in the first place if this was the case. I feel like the other deities can feel the Kai inside Buu. I really want to see what good Buu is capable of at his full potential
I bett majin buu going turn into kid buu
He can’t turn into kid buu…kid buu turned into him
@@iLLuminatedWithDrenwell he can his physical appearance look exactly like kid buu but the power will be the same
@@musicindustrydrama838Kid Buu at tournament of power would be the most bad ass thing lmao
@@Mo_Murdawhy do i feel he will beat jiren lol
When Android 17 wished to bring back all the universes that were erased, did he inadvertently bring back dark universes that weren't erased by the tournament of power? It could bring back to life powerful foes that they might need to beat or lead into the dark dragonballs arc.
Is there any definitive answer to that question yet because I have been thinking about it ever since the end of dragon ball super but I’m thinking that the answer is yes based on the fact that he said all the universes that have been erased and not all the universes that were erased during the tournament
You can't give 17 the Trent Dilfer treatment.
I really hope we get a remaster of that arc. The concept is too good not to bring back.
This was my first thought
Because Beerus mentioned that Zeno had already erased some universes I think 6 universes, because there were 18 instead of 12.
I think they came back as well.
about "the dark univeres" thieory there is a fan manga that talk about it ( i forgot the name) but i think the option didnt rule out cause in the maga at granola arc i think there was mentiond a diffrent dimention so maby it is in fact the dark universe's that we looking foword into
9:28 well i mean Toppo turned into a GOD in the middle of the tournament so ig that's fine with buu.
Considering in the first TOP they had freeza who was dead at the time, granolas short life span would no t be a big issue, seeing as whis could just go to other world and recruit him there, then have baba bring him back temporarily, plus if they win (which would be a given cuz yeah) he might even be revived with a longer life span
If i remember right, person who became dead by old age can't be revived,like elder namekian
@@r.speedwagon1758the super dragon balls might be able to do it.
@@solidsnakeandgrayfox probably
@@r.speedwagon1758 Goku (or Vegeta) could theoretically kill him so they can resurrect him later
@@r.speedwagon1758 you remember right. the regular dragon balls can't resurrect somebody that died of old age. although they could pull a fart and say that you can if you first extend his lifespan (similar to what they did to revive krilin when he died in namek)
but the super dragon balls can grant ANY wish. that includes reviving seven whole universes.
Something I do admittedly love about how all the main characters are evolving is that they all feel different. All their strongest forms have different attributes and look different.
Goku has his Angelic Ultra Instinct.
Vegeta has his Destructive Ultra Ego.
Broly has his Monstrous Legendary Form.
Gohan has his Wild Beast Form.
Frieza has his Villainous Black Form.
Variety is nice. Especially compared to Z where every Saiyan character just got the same thing.
villainous black form is crazy 😂😂
Goku has his Super Saiyan 4.
Vegeta has his Super Saiyan 4.
Broly has his Monstrous Legendary Form.
Gohan has his Wild Super Saiyan 4.
Shallot has his Super full Power Saiyan 4 Limit Breaker.
@@robzap19nintendosteampictures Let's not.
@@robzap19nintendosteampictures Come on man you really made the whole team so bad that it would probably lose to the og Universe 7 TOP team
@@robzap19nintendosteampictures and Frieza has his black form
In Manga, when Goku asked Whis if Black Frieza was actually the strongest warrior instead of Gas or Granolah, Whis replied it could be someone else entirely.
The last warrior could be someone else entirely.
It could be broly
I think is gohan tho
@@brunosoaresmaciel1684 gohan is still not even Goku or Vegeta level
Definitely broly, I think neither goku or vegeta could ever surpass him.
@@Pranav701bhagatwhat are you talking about his new form is on par with them and maybe even beyond
Bring back og cell and let him train. He’s android 17 at bare minimum since cell was made to be better. Combine that with frieza, saiyan and piccolo genes, cell could be a true monster
No one can deny that this would be one badass team and probably be the coolest moment in all of anime, but it would be a long shot for something like this to be made. Also I think if it lasts long enough, a fusion of androids 17 & 18 would be a great addition to the team as well
Android 35
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I think Frieza would decline since he has different goals now and Writers choice probably
Its be cool to see them wipe all the other teams easily, just for the other universe to hop in afterwards
Is Kid Buu is from universe 7right?
I would like to imagine android 17s wish revived the other erased universes before the tournament , therefore more challengers who posed a threat
Cool thinking. Never crossed my mind. Something to think about
Honestly, it would be a cool start to a new saga. Good thinking
Db kakumei
I wanna think that most of the universes are now training hard, or found better fighters for the next tournament because all the universes just saw how powerful Universe 7 and 11 were compared to them. The other universes basically didn’t have a chance from the start. So I think that when the next tournament comes around all other universes would have at least 1-3 real threats that could actually make us believe that they could win.
The earliest universes eliminated would know that they needed to improve, but they couldn't have seen UI (or MUI, for that matter) Goku, nor much of Jiren's power before they got erased, so they'd have no idea how much they'd need to train to close the gap and likely wouldn't have guessed it was so big. The later universes would have some idea at least, but only Universes 7 and 11 were left to see MUI Goku vs. Jiren. Even then, it feels like Universe 7 may have still gotten disproportionately stronger and even Universes who did otherwise properly prepare might be caught off-guard.
their respectives angels did, and probably can reproduce it, just like how zamasu and his master were able to see the goku vs hit fight @@mattalevine
@@draconomegayeah thats true, they still have stuff like godtube where they can see the fight
In tournament of power universe 7 was in bottom 2nd place in mortal power ranking... however now it must be grown lot. Team growing in point of power and freeze distroing week planets
Honestly if the other previous Universes got busy, training wise, the only two that would give Universe 7 a challenge is 11 and 6.
Universe 11: It has Jiren. If he decide to keep up his training like normal or even learn from Angels like how Goku and Vegeta are, he'd obviously be a problem. Dyspo was pretty good. And either Toppo could be further along his GOD training, or if he's retired then Belmod could rejoin the Pride Troopers.
Universe 6: Hit could obviously just train to improve all of his skills. Frost could go through some evolution like Freeza. Maybe those two Namekians, who previously fused with alot of other Namekians, could fuse together? And Cabba, Kale and Caulifla could learn ssj God and Blue.... then could get other saiyans to join and learn God ki. Then they could just fuse up and have a better chance 😅
9:35
What I think: yes technically a violation of tournament rules for sure (no gods, and therefore no "swallowed" gods) if buu would participate...but zeno probably would just say "you look very fun, you can fight", especially given buu's childish behavior, look and unique body abilities, zeno would never wanted to miss that in the tournament imo
I really want another tournament of power but with a twist like an evil villain holding the tournament for his own amusement forcing people to fight and survive needing to eliminate even there own team members to win.
Like Frieza last time?
Nahhh
Nah it wouldn't happen if someone did that zeno will erase him
It would be such a good arc if it was the daishinkan
@@Efrin445 Yeah bro I really hope we see something like that in the future!
bruh, you mentioned that all the humans fighters don't even want to fight... but yamcha was HURT that he wasn't invited to the first tournament, so i can totally imagine yamcha
I honestly think yamcha could be a great fighter if goku and vegeta train him
@@johnnyboi290 Agreed…. man he had so much potential at one point but he gave up
@@Not_obligated2care Hmm... I wonder why? (Looks at the Super Writers) Hmm....
He did join the galactic police force during the Moro arc. Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't he stay? Maybe Yamcha got better so I think he should take the last spot.
My disappointment when he chose Uub instead of Yamcha
I think whats interesting is that Universe 11 likely won’t have Toppo anymore as a competitor since he’d probably be God of Destruction by then.
I believe he is somewhere around mortal level so he might be
He could be, or out of fear of losing one of their top warriors in the case of a future tournament, he’ll reject the position
@@JujuInFlamesbut then wouldnt they have Belmod? If he isnt GoD anymore he should be able to enter as a mortal if he doesnt retire
@@ComradeYosh.theres gotta be some rule against retired G.O.D.s otherwise everyones getting their ass handed to them
For what it’s worth I’m glad piccolo didn’t get left behind (till that power creep sets in)
Who would be on YOUR Universe 7 dream team?
Day 1: Make a story where instead of Goku Black timeline and zamasu it’s a Future Gohan from another dimension who instead lost Trunks and killed the androids with Super Saiyan 2. Would love to see this emotional story with Future trunks and Gohan fighting.
Is this video my b day present? Thanks! :[)
Gohan, Goku, Vegeta, Buu, Frieza, Broly, Granolah, android 17, Picollo, Future trunks
1: Goku
2: Vegeta
3: Broly
4: Piccolo
5: Gohan
6: Android 17
7: Cell
8: Tien
9: Krillin
10: ????? (Someone that is not Frieza, Buu, Granolah, or Gotenks)
@@hooty7724 That sounds interesting.
i hope goten gets his moment in the manga soon. personally i believe he could have even more potential than gohan considering how young and with ease he achieved super saiyan.
that for me was an issue. Gohan, who face far more dire threats and didn't awaken Super Saiyan but Goten training with Chichi does. it's stupid. almost as stupid as tingly backs
@@jaredfrancis5062 I think that has to do with the power level that goku had when he impregnated chichi, since the saiyans are a warrior race, the stronger you are the stronger your offspring is. That is why Goten was able to get Super Saiyan at a much earlier age
Goten will no where near be close to Gohan especially if his potential is similar to Trunks’
@@jaredfrancis5062 I’m guessing cause they knew more on how to activate super sayain it became easier for the next gen to use though ngl I’d rather have the back tingles at least that had an explanation albeit half assed
@@Deathmare235 goten won't come close due to him not having anger issues like gohan, gohan also had a rougher childhood
Lets not forget Goten and Trunks feel like with enough training they could be a powerful asset.
They'd have to go through a very heavy and intense training to become really useful amongst the other characters to be fair. I agree with you that they could participate (specially after growing up) but the other members are like, two god ki users, the strongest Saiyan, an evolved hybrid, a possibly god namekian and freeza
Goten and trunks would have to get something powerful to amount enough. Either they also gain god ki or some sort of evolution like Gohan, or they need to make Gotenks stronger and make it count. Honestly I'd love for Goten and trunks to become the face of the series as they could have different stories untill they become as strong as their fathers
they will be eleven and twelve the same age gohan was when he defeated cell.
@@xxOnigiri99 With their insane potential, they could just train for a week in time chamber and catch up with average SSB Goku/Vegeta level.
@@argelysrodriguez2163 Goten and Trunks are 16 and 17 now.
@xxOnigiri99 I've always said Dragonball should do mini arcs following the less powerful cast doing badass shit at they're powerlevel
I can’t wait for another tournament of power! Nothing but greatness awaits. Especially universe 6 and and the sadala saiyans. Can’t forget about the evil namekians as well.
You already know Jiren and the Troopers gonna pull up in the next tournament like a hit squad.
I think they'll team up with the 7th universe. Wouldn't make sense to let them fight again.
It would be a repeat.
My theory is when A17 made the wish to bring the universes back.
Some universes that were erased long before the ToP came back as well.
Remember,
Beerus said that there were 18 universes and now there were 12.
What if Zeno had a good reason to erase those other 6 universes?
Remember they had no teamwork
if the pride troopers trained really hard, universe 7 would be in trouble
If there ever was a new tournament of power I really hope it’s after Uub gets reintroduced (if he does)
I agree, there’s crazy potential for uub to have an arc.
It won't be as intense, because they know nothing is really on the line. Maybe Zenos can promise then rewards or some shit.
My boys goten and trunks getting forgotten, again
unfortunately, not without a reason
we cant take some one from the future bruh the grand priest will be angry asf when he know that
@@Dk_deadXDwe weren't talking about Future Trunks
Their fusion can’t even keep up with god goku
@xskullplayer5566 I mean the god ritual is pretty easy and an interesting concept would be to see further transformations of super saiyan blue since it's just god and saiyan 1 so gotenks could do ssb2 and ssb3 if toei wanted to continue goten and trunks
What would make the next tournament of power interesting instead of a one sided beat down is :
Everyone else also trained hard and gained alot of power however as soon as the tournament begins they all gang up on all the universe 7 members like everybody from 7 had to straight up 1v3 or something.
There's probably gonna be a mortal in universe 1 or 12 that has a mortal equal to a low angel level. Because U7 is so unbelievably powerful with multiple fighters that are on a destroyers level near enough. Hit, Top, Kefla and not even Jiren will have a chance to down a team that stacked.
You never know if jiren is training after he lost to goku to become even strong let’s not forget jiren base form was already strong to compete with god of destruction power
I mean if U7 is training so does the others especially jiren wouldn't spend a day without training🗿
So im looking forward for goku vs jiren again
I wouldn't count the other universes out that fast, we've seen Goku and co. get stronger in a small amount of time it ain't impossible that they've been getting jacked.
Couple of things to point out.
Hedo could just create a new Android to take Gamma 2s spot for number 10 spot. Or heck, create a fully new good version of Cell Max.
Second, while we might get a second Tournament of Power, there are no guarantees that the rules will be the same as last time.
ToP is a brand new event that has only been hosted once, so them updating the rules and the number of contenders is not too far fetched.
He doesn’t have the funding for a new android is the issue. Bulma isn’t gonna pay for one to be made either.
@@CarthusDojoWhat if it was to rebuild Gamma 1? Considering he played such an important role in defeating cell max bulma might be okay with it.
@@CarthusDojo Doesnt he work for Bulma now? That's plenty of funding lol
@@theinktician I think he's trying to say that bulma wouldn't let him create another Android
@@CarthusDojo Shenron, we wish for Gamma 2 to exist again! 🙌
Dude this was thought out REALLY WELL. Great job.
10:11 thought you were building up to yamcha for a second 😂
cant he go ui signs? i have no knowledge of db except thinking i know whats happening and dbs lol
@@sigmatheligmawhere did you get this lie from 🤣🤣🤣😭
@@Mari-ii8mn I got it from a TikTok filter 😂😂😂
My team u7
1. Goku tui
2. Gohan beast
3. Vegeta ue
4. Broly lssj
5. Orange piccolo
6. Black freeza
7. Granolah
8. Gamma 1
9. Android 17
10. Majin buu
UI isnt a strictly angel technique so it's always possible he could regain control over UI in time
Frieza training in a form of time chamber in some old conquered world seems like a good idea story wise, it keeps him from asking and is honestly a reasonable thing to have from some random civilization. Considering how many techniques and inventions each planet seems to contribute to the series.
What do you mean seems like a good idea? It already happened.
@@Illustria means...im really confus3d they make comic into anime
I guess you haven't seen Black Frieza yet? The Granolah arc in the manga already showed that
@@po72644 personally, you are both mistaken about the OG comment. For me they are just praising the idea. Nothing about them not knowing it happened.
@@mjm3091 nah I’m pretty sure they didn’t know it happened and thought it was fan made
Merus is such an interesting choice. But it is kinda hit or miss if he would even be allowed to be in Universe 7’s team since he’s not originally from Universe 7 But if he was, even though he lost his angelic and god like powers he still has all of that combat experience he’s ever had for however long he’s lived before.
Swap him out for Buu and I’m set on U7 team
@@Franz082011 Yea for Buu for sure and if lets say Buu does fuck up and sleep again they can always bring people from otherworld or just bring anybody from earth cause of how stacked U7 is right now
Merus is technically a mortal who lives in U7 now as a result of losing his angel status, so that's not an issue.
Merus’ siblings will be in the tournament no way he’s getting away with it
@@decepticonxhunter4850 but he’s still their brother
This video spoke so many facts it brought a smile to me, but a mini rant right here, is that Tien should get way more love than he does, I know he is just an earthling with a special beam attack... But he deserves some special form to do with his third eye, or maybe some upgrade to his tri beam or something! All we can do is keep hoping.
I hope Uub actually gets a major role in the next Manga Arc
I wanna see him in action
Problem is Uub can't appear unless a future Super arc takes place after the End of Z. Goku and Uub still have to have their initial meeting at the tournament, and introducing Uub any more than he's already done in the Moro arc would mess up continuity.
I definitely think Uub should make an appearance would be dope
Kidd Buu
Next Tournament of Power shouldn't take place just between universes. It'll be more interesting to involve Fighters of Different universes teaming up and fighting against some other team. I want to watch Jiren and HIT fighting with SAIYANS against a completely new team with some insanely powerful fighters
At this point its easier to watch super dragon ball heroes because if im not mistaken this quite literally happens there
A17 wished all the universes back.
Zeno had already erased 6 universes before the ToP.
So I think those universes came back as well. What if they were erased because they were dangerous?
We could get a great team against those 6 universes.
Goku, Broly, Top, Jiren, Frieza, Vegeta, Piccolo and 2 others.
Super Dragon Ball Heroes
@@TheTrveMothlord That's not Canon, good sir.
I think the next tournament of power or what ever the next tournament is called will be a death match where the contestants or the winning teams members get revived at the end. This would be a more brutal tournament.
The beauty of the TOP was everyone got a chance to shine. Even Roshi. Introducing so many new characters to a huge TOP arc would lesson the emotional impact of the story as most are less invested in their lives. I think the writers would be better off finding a way to giving Krillen and Tien some kind of equaliser. A technique or technology. Imagine if Tien could phase, for example, he'd be able to avoid damage but not be able to attack whilst using it. Or maybe give Krillen an energy absorption suit. He uses the syphoned energy to create a shield and a destructo disc capable of injuring characters far more powerful than him.
Krillin and Tien didn't. Their victories were underwhelming.
give tien 3rd eye related powers, maybe even chakra forms, and expand on krillins selflessness state more.
They can at least give humans kaioken. With Tien, they could maybe unnerf his multiform and let him keep his full power instead of splitting it when he makes the clones. Also give each clone four arms and then upgrade the neo tri beam again and then boom, maybe relevant. Thats just my idea though. With krillin, if they could give him kaioken and then maybe upgrade the destructo disc like he upgraded the solar flare. Humans have been shown to have insane energy manipulation (krillin would have killed nappa had vegeta not told him to dodge, and he cut off friezas tail, tien holding back cell, and the creator of the kamehameha roshi) and they should explore that route, as it would make the most sense.
not going to lie. That team would be absolutely insane and fun to watch. I could see android 17 or buu being in for merus. But you could even have Buu mentor Uub as the tournament went on as a side plot.
this is just complete and utter destruction
9:36 at least Yamcha seemed like he wanted to participate. So If they do have another tournament they could probably include him (I really want them to being a Yamcha stan)
SDBH probably included him in the anime/manga since he didn't get to participate in the ToP.
Bro imagine Yamcha winning the entire tournament😂😂😂
Bro Yamcha? Really? Jiren would sneeze from accross the entire arena and accidentally knock Yamcha out.
@@zecrayz4840 Jiren would fart and evaporate Yamcha at this point.
I don't really understand why your a Yamcha fan since to me personally, there is no reason to be but... There are VERY obvious reasons he won't be added
@@SoraBSoarin Well he had actually had a character trait in OG Dragon ball before Z just took off any character he had, I also just like his attacks like his Wolf Fang Fist and Spirit ball.
And a fan manga named "Dragon ball Elsewhere" made me like his character even more even though it's fan made.
And I just like the underdogs in most anime's in general so that could probably be another reason as to why I'm a big fan of his.
Uub seriously gets me excited. I know dragonball should probably wind down the timeline at this point but I really want him to get a moment to shine in canon.
Carthu knows so much about DB, every time I watch one of his videos, I learn something new. I was always one of those people who said Buu would be amazing, not even thinking about the fact that a Kai is controlling him, thus not letting him participate.
A former kai
@@Snuffan Yeah but he contains god ki, that's what he used against Moro, and I believe he's immortal, so he has the basic ideas of being a God, which is why they banned Kais.
i feel like goten and trunks would have been a good pick they did show great strength in the super hero movie and even with the failed fusion they were strong so just imagine them with complete fusion.
Goku stares at Vegeta: 1:23
Goku: "What is that absurd looking outfit!?"
Vegeta: "Well you wore it to!"
10:15
Me: He's not gonna say Yamcha, is he!?!?!?
10:17
Me: Ok, that makes a lot more sense
Now that i think about it, if i understood right, Granolah’s wish made it so his lifespan basically skipped until he was the strongest in the universe, similar to hit. So if they just gave him eternal youth, that could make him quite literally infinitely powerful since his power would just increase eternally right?
Idk
Potentially also hit never wished for strength
I don't think it works logically like that. It being dragonball, anything is possible, though. Even with eternal youth, Granola can still die or turn brain dead. They would have to wish for eternal youth, immortality, and regeneration for it to work. And I think if they did, it would automatically disqualify him for basically turning into a god?
that's not what the wish did. what it did was spend all his lifeforce in such concentrated ammounts that his power skyrocketed. so if you give him eternal youth that's doing the opposite and by nececity you would need to make him weaker or give him lifeforce from somewhere else. this ofcourse raises the question if the wish dragons can let him take this lifeforce elsewhere but considering the only way they could power him up was to burn his i doubt it.
Granolah traded his life span for strength. This was a one time transaction. Increasing his life span would not increase his strength since he no longer has a way to exchange it. *Gas* however would keep getting stronger with an increased life span since his wish was that he wanted to be the strongest in the universe forever. This was a curse that drained his life span every time Goku or Vegeta surpasses him - trading away even more of his life span to become stronger than them. Granolah didn't get stronger than Gas after the wish but Gas kept increasing power
Can we take a moment to appreciate that insane thumbnail lineup?? SHEESH!
I really like your choices, they make sense from a power level perspective.
Hope they show the universes that were spared in the first round.
I doubt it because its not just universe 7 is training other universe is training too
What I'm truly excited about is to see how strong Jiren will be and his universe. In the next tournament of power.
Are we ever going to see goten and trunks grow up and trap into their potential? They weren't allowed in the first tournament and age a bit in Super Hero. I think it's time they get some more shine, individually not as gotenks
bro is spitting facts Goten and Trunks need actual character growth, forget about fusion for once
They were meant to be the next Gohan. I mean as CHILDREN they gained SS and fused Gotenks went up against Buu. But since then they've become comic relief.
You nailed the thumbnail. All the goofy hair styles and colours speaks for itself.
Not me yelling "YAMCHA!!!!" when Carthu was suggesting a human to be the 10th plave canidaye 😭
I was thinking Uub, this list is perfectly constructed. It'll be interesting to see if any additional characters are introduced in the series before a ToP2 would happen, if it does.
Universe 7's 10th member should've been Monaka. 😂
Fr
How about no
Or mr satan
4:54 "nah Vegeta's his own man." 💀
My List For Tournament Of Power
1.Goku
2.vegeta
3.Gohan
4.Granolah
5.Broly
6.Uub
7.Moro If merus isn't allowed
8.Piccolo
9.Buu(Normal)
10.Future Trunks
put yamcha in there instead of buu.
thinking of strategy over raw power, the 10th place is without a doubt for Majin Buu, and if he isn't allowed to participate, even Dende or some random namek with healing powers should take that spot as a support, maybe Granola protecting him at all times and taking him from place to place where needed while pushing off platform weaker oponents
What about Majuub
Man broly needs to train more cuz he has the most potential and his already training with whis, I’m pretty sure broly is going to get a new form
When will be next tournament of power ?
@@akash5733 i dont think there will ever be another tournament of power. the closest you will probably get to that is in a future arc where they will probably have to help another universe, if that even happens.
10:32 that logic makes no sense. How is end of Z Goku stronger than Granola arc Goku.
Because the end of Z takes place 10 years after Buu Arc so after DBS
@Leomyd That still doesn't really make sense. That would imply that End of Z Goku at base is at the same or similar level as Uub even considering MUI, UI, SSGSS Kaioken, SSGSS, God..etc. of course we also didn't see any of these transformations either at the end because they didn't exist.
End of z is going to happen after granolah arc but it's going to be a little different
Dragon Ball fans are never beating the “don’t read” allegations
I’m so glad he clarified they’d have to find a way to extend Granolah’s lifespan because as soon as he said Uub I was like “Yea but now you back to 9 people because Granolah is gonna be dead by the time Uub ready”
Bring Granolah with Uranai Baba, GG
Didn't stop Frieza from participating
am i tripping or could they just time chamber train wit uub and in like a decade (10 days) or sum hed be easily one of the strongest on the team
@The Weavile Frieza had everything to lose, which is why Goku was able to call his bluff. If the universe got erased, everybody in Other World and Hell would've been erased as well.
@@itsnarroblox they could, but that would conflict with the ending of Z.
Can you make this into a what if this team entered a new tournament? That would be epic!!!
It's hard to do since we don't know how strong the other universes have gotten. Time has passed for them too so they might be a lot stronger than we're giving them credit for.
@@CarthusDojo yes I agree, if we get more info on the other universes then with your style of presentation that video will be soo epic, also big fan of your content thank you for providing the many hours of interesting and exciting content!
@CarthusDojo exactly. Plus the Universes with high mortal levels may participate as well. And who knows what powerful beings are in those Universes
@@CarthusDojo personally, I believe it would be really cool if we saw other races from other universe be trained by the gods to use got ki, like could you imagine a Namekian using God ki?
@@CarthusDojo I think Gohan Beast should be able to solo every single Universe unless Jiren has trained even harder than Vegeta and unlocked a new form or Two and has God Ki and Mastered Ultra Instinct, then Jiren may be ale to rival Gohan Beast.
These five are enough to take down the other universe's
For a second, I genuinely thought he was gonna say "there is ONE human who could join. YAMCHA" as a joke
If another tournament of power were to happen, I'm sure a bunch of strong opponents would appear
That's true if universe 7 got power up then all universe will get power up to that's unfair to them
A new Tounament of Power would not be interesting unless it had the 4 universes that were let out of tha last tournament. Otherwise, Universe 11 and the others would need massive upgrades as well.
jiren begins training more with toppo, boosting both of their powers, with jiren learning god ki and toppo mastering his destroyer form, maybe even learning about ultra ego. Plus dyspo can get a speed and reflex boost.
Hit can be trained by champa and vados and expand on his time abilities.
@@ProjektTaku If Kale and Caulifa can match SSJB Goku in 30 minutes, image how strong they would be after some training.
Also, we could get the king of planet Sidala making the cut for Universe 6 as well.
Maybe Frost training for his revenge because of earlier humiliation finds a new transformation.
Pretty sure Hit would learn time travel in that time. Imagine him going 10 minutes into the future and using the information about the outcomes to change his present fight.
@@aniketmodi6346 I don't think kale and caulifla are ssb goku level since goku only went blue after they fused. Still crazy tho how they did pretty well against mid TOP god goku.
Salada's king would be an awesome and could be really strong.
Bro, imagine hit gets precog to see 5-10s into the future, essentially a bootleg UI.
@@ProjektTakuI liked the manga better for the fusion fight, they were around Gohan level which sounds a lot better
@@purplethephoenix5691 same. Felt cool and consistent, really wish it was in the anime, although I'm not a fan of Kale just speedrunning the TOP's fighters.
With how broken and OP the cast is at this point (really, giving my boy Gohan a new form, aswell as finally redeeming the main man himself Piccolo was such a well made move) it's save to say that the next battle would be a massacre on every front.
Beeing on the topic of giving upgrades, Yamcha. C'mon, show this man some love
For my universe 7 team? 10 Yamchas, easy game
Not even 200 Jirens could beat that
Would be wild if they had to fight the gods lol fuck it I got money on universe 7
You guys are forgetting the fact that other universes are capable to train
What if Jiren or others unlocks godly ki? Or if the other universes who didn’t participate the first time did this time?
@@GamerAgainstDangerCSS The other Universes that didn't participate didn't because the mortal quality of life was good not their strength
@@ShrekyChad I didn't automatically assume that, I was just saying, other universes are capable of training just like Goku, Frieza, and others. How else would Jiren's base power would be so high? I don't know why everyone thinks that this would be a one-sided battle, at the very least I think Velmond would train Jiren and Toppo more then he has
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*SO UNBELIEVABLY HARD!!!😤💪🏼*
Duuude, your content editing and ideas are so engaging and enjoyable I sit down and just binge your content😅
(But seriously jeep up the amazing content❤)
Looks like an Unstoppable team to me! 👍🏻 I’d be so down for this team
@@SuperTartnope not at all how it works, they didn't participate because of the mortal level. The mortal level is just the standard of living not how powerful the mortals are 🤦🏾♂️
@@SuperTartthere’s always one of you out there
@@SuperTart Microscopic brain answer, you're wrong.
I believe that 17 and 18 are still needed. Their unlimited stamina and coordination are big advantages.
I agree additionally, they could join together with the patara earrings and technically be 1 fighter from the start.
@@romeolaurent7243 they might not stay fused though
@@romeolaurent7243 if 18 trains in the time chamber for like 10 years for 1 day she'll become more powerful like early days
It wouldnt be even a match frieza alone could probably take care of everyone including jiren
@@maymay5600 u said like Androids powers got reduced bc of times lol no both 17 and 18 are more op now androids power will increase as more time pass instead of decreasing
trunks crying in the bedroom