(E12) Zongshen 5 speed 190cc engine swap + test ride HELLCOUGAR TaoTao Hellcat Raptor 190cc
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- Опубліковано 22 лип 2024
- What to expect while installing the ZS190 Zongshen 190cc horizontal honda clone engine. Step by step install!! Should be the same on the Honda Grom, except the wiring will be different of course. Major different in power and now it is a 5 speed instead of a 4. Hence the new name “HELLCOUGAR”
The swap takes 3 to 4 hours if you take your time.
Contact Dave Bullock in the “ZS190 swap” facebook group for this motor.
Follow “parkers Garage” on facebook for other Z190 videos.
The new 190cc engine gets ? mpg
54 miles per gallon with the old 125cc engine Off roading, I was impressed!
It doesn't have to be fast to be fun, Create your own adventures
Current video links:
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Nibi 26mm carb: amzn.to/2WbIQ74
Mikuni 26mm carb amzn.to/2WJmhFU
intake adapter swing plate: amzn.to/3drWVTp
It goes pretty good for a 125cc bike (55 mph after tune), suspension is nice, braking is good. 0-50 mph in 19 seconds
Links:
I get my bikes from Txpowersports.com use MOTOCHEEZ at checkout for a discount bit.ly/3asOO81
Shinko Offroad DOT Grom tire set: ebay.to/3dKIoDB
Jet kit: amzn.to/2Qf8PrJ
Frame bolts: The ones on a bike or metric but 5/16-18 or 24 (preferred) 5" long will work. I'd get grade 8, Grade 5 minimum. (ebay.to/2zdtG8a Grade 8) (ebay.to/2L5sCWq Grade 5)
I think it would be an awesome around town or city bike. Just like the clone it is not very fast
Available in Red, White and Blue!
PROS:
Honda clone horizontal 125cc engine
CONS:
no kickstart, Electric only
Specs: (most from Txpowersports website)
HELLCAT 125 ENGINE:
Engine Size: 124cc
Type: Electric start
Transmission: 4 speed manual with clutch
Drive: Chain drive
Cooling: Air Cooled
Ignition: CDI
Fuel Tank Capacity: 1.5 Gallons (5.5 L)
Top Speed: 54 mph (After Mods)
Horsepower: 12 (estimated)
Spark Plug Type /
Gap: A7RTC / 0.6~0.7 mm
Battery: 12V 7Ah (Included)
CHASSIS:
Front Brakes: Hydraulic Disc (Hand)
Rear Brakes: Hydraulic Disc (Foot)
Front Rim: 2.75 x 12 Alloy rim
Front Tires: 120 / 70 - 12
Rear Rim: 3.5 x 12 Alloy rim Rear
Tires: 120 / 70 - 12
Front Suspension: Dual inverted forks
Rear Suspension: Single shock absorber
Ground Clearance: 4.3 Inches (110 mm)
Seat Height: 30 Inches (760 mm)
Wheelbase: 49 Inches (1250 mm)
DIMENSION:
Overall Dimension:
70 x 30 x 39 Inches (1790 x 750 x 995 mm)
Carton Dimension: 64 x 22 x 32 Inches (1620 x 565 x 810 mm)
N.W.: 207 LBS (94 Kgs)
Watch us Unbox, assemble and review this bike with my opinions on it along the way, good and bad. I make these videos so you know what to expect when you purchase one of these Chinese bikes, I keep it 100% honest with what I find. Assembly is about 1 hour.
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This was by far the best video on this engine swap. Great work!
Thanks👍😁
That's a great upgrade that wont break the bank. Thanks for showing us what we need to get it done right.
Thanks!
Well done without lengthy minutes showing nothing. Moto Cheez is the whiz, Cheese Whiz.
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Dude the little add ons you put in your videos are just great, loving your videos and everything bud
Thanks 😁
"Did we just become best friends?" "Do you wanna swap pit bike motors in the garage?" "Yup."
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N ok
Sean Tourtelotte “Come eat that horse with me vegeta.”
@@nachothemacho0389 boats and hoes
This was top quality info! Can't wait for more feedback and riding!
Thanks! More on its way
Excited to see what’s next! Love the fact you have the stock exhaust...
Thanks, trying to keep it quiet as possible!
Thinking about getting a CT200-EX and mounting this guy to it. Perfect mini cruiser.
Oh HELL YEAH! I've been waiting for this episode.👍
Wow! That worked out great. Kudos to your skills.
Thanks
Great video been looking for a quality build of this engine
I think I may get one of these and just build a bike around it. Looks serviceable for sure.
I tried like hell to get a Hawk 250 but everyone was out of stock for the next 4 months, so I go a 150cc scooter. At least it's a 2020 model and does 65mph. During winter I will bolt on a 171cc head and piston so it's easier on the motor. Great work Cheez.
Yeah, they're fun! Everyone is sold out of everything!
Like watching a surgeon at work.
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You will definitely want to install that oil cooler. These large displacement high output horizontal motors have minor issues with thermal control, which is why you get said oil cooler.
Great video as usual. impressive upgrade.
Thanks!
Nice to see the carb not sticking out the front.
Great video as always. Others say wiring is plug n play
Thanks! Not plug N Play on this bike 😅
Gotta say it was thanks to your video I was able to finish my swap today hahaha
AWESOME
Awesome cheezy new motor for Whitey Cheezy ! And that motor swap was so fast! You are a cheese whiz!
You may need a bigger auxiliary pop bottle. Lol. I think the sound was different. Good video.
i recently tried a skyteam dax with 190cc engine same as this, and i got say holy shit that thing got some serious power, did power wheelies in all 5 gear and a lot of torque
They're insane!!!
Very impressive work !! Thank you for sharing that. I hope you can get a better clutch cable and if you ever have that starter side cover off again, maybe you can hammer out a new gasket with a sheet of gasket material from the automotive store. Or see if Zongshen sells the correct one that actually fits the castings ?
Thanks! I do have to investigate that
Looks like a worthy upgrade to my Trail 90, it already has a Honda 125 engine but it's needing a rebuild. Good video.
Thanks!
Super cool 😎 Mr. Cheez. Hope you’re having a great day. Happy 4th of July. 👍
Thanks you too!
Great video as always... and that's the difference between the U.S and Canada. You guys get all the fun toys.. Id love to be able to get my hands on a hellcat here.
You can't get a version of this there? It's called an icebear too I believe
@@MotoCheez not in ontario that i can find. But it is what it is. But great work on the bikes. Always fun to watch your vids
Thanks😁
Gotta say; You do some cool stuff MC... 👍
Thanks!!
Good video, glad yours wasn't messed up. I fixed mine thankfully, these should be offered w a 190 when new. The swap is totally worth it buddy 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Thanks again! Of course I didn't record the shift selector swap...
@@MotoCheez anytime buddy, lol dont feel bad I didn't video my repair. 😭😭 I didn't realize it was fixed lol. Sucks when that happens.
Nooooo!
Dona video describing it then
@@MotoCheez yea lol best I could do.
You make it seem so easy. You just know what your doing
It's not that hard to do the swap
Always love the video cheezy
This one was awesome! Good overall edit. I especially liked the jumping around instead sped up! Huge difference to the viewer. Hellcougar sounds pretty throaty with stock carb. Bigger carb, pod filter, decent exhaust or even gutted would help. Gear her up a bit maybe 16 possible 17 if it’ll fit easy. Any faster an I’m betting your leaving a** prints in that seat for sure! Looking forward to a proper thrash session once she’s broken in some!!!
Thanks! 😁 I plan on some tweaking for sure
MotoCheez oh I am sure you know exactly what flavor your going with this build. It’s awesome to see more swaps!!! I don’t watch to many more tubers in this area. Mainly your channel an hearing you mention other channels by name had me check them out for sure. I figure if the people I like to watch enjoy them they are worth checking out. So hats off to you sir yet again for spreading the word of others through your channel. Looking forward to whatever happens next... ha never really know what you may drop an when!!
Thanks!😁
I just was looking for this 🙏🙏
Nice! My CSC tt250 is also a Zongshen. Pretty reliable so far.
I’ve got 2500 miles on mine. How many do you have?
I've got the SSR XF250, which i think is similar
@@youngweezy213 I have a little over 1000 miles on mine. Completely stock.
Some quality meme action as usual. Swap looks like it went really well all ways nice to have some more power. I'm sure when you find a bigger header it'll be even better. Hope you keep the stock exhaust, part of the fun with these bikes is keeping it quiet and stealthy in the woods!
I want quiet for sure
Cheez gets things done; nice job!
Thanks!
Aye. 'Dat Hellcat has fire in his blood....now. 😎
my dream huashuashuas 190cc in a 50cc congratulations friend you live in a country that allows you achievements so simple for me so difficult thanks
Where you from?
Lengthen pipe at exhaust shop. BBR just put a 190 engine and had the same problem. I think they have top pipe where it can't get smashed.
sweet epic bro its ganna be fun!
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I hope you start a tend, with cheap adventure/ dual sport minibikes
A camping/ overlanding type of build would be awesome
Would be fun!!!
Great job!
Thanks!
cool ass shit. this is how you build a proper "grom clone" for less than a used grom. you should definately do a video of this vs a grom
Thanks. I will Do a VS soon
Good heads on on the wiring. I'm putting a 125cc pit bike engine on my '65 C100 Honda and mothballing the original 50cc. I just have to figure out the starter button and headlight to swap for a 12V version in the same size.
I'm putting the old 125 on my newer Z50
@@MotoCheez nice. When I figure everything out, I'll make a build video on my channel. I'm used to building bigger bikes. So, learning what all I can do with the small engine stuff is an awesome way to relive my childhood with my son.
Awesome. It why I do it too
I got ya subscribed on this channel as well bro... thanks again
I seriously need that terminal kit.
Great video 👍👍👍🙂
Thanks!
Nice build👍
Thanks 😁
GREAT VIDEO!
Thanks! 😅
Nice video n links!
Thanks!
Yeah buddy! Let me know if you have any starter chain issues! Only thing im concerned about they also say trans are finiky and you shouldnt use kickstart
K, will do! Trans seems good sofar as it breaks in, can't use kick anyway
I found out the hard way with that poor fitting gasket,it filled up with muddy water over a period of time,ended up buying a new stator/flywheel.And made my own gasket in the end.
Thanks alot!!!
I have a 26mm on my 110cc. Runs like a bat outta hell low end and High, definitely look into a 30+mm. These engines love to breath and flow.
Absolutely! I can't believe they don't put a larger carburetor at the factory.
MotoCheez yeah I just watched your more recent videos. Glad you to see you already upgraded! Just saw this video on my recommended and I love the videos. Definitely subscribed💪🏽
Thanks man! 😁
thanks finally found a good test ride with the 190. i would like to see how it handles while stunting, seems like no one has made a video like that, maybe ill be the first.
im thinking about to buy this engine for stunting but i dont have alot of cash so i get anxiety.
Yeah, do one... Be good to see. Have another good ride going up at noon today
@@MotoCheez nice so whats your thoughts about the engine. Does it seem like good quality and will be lasting a long time? Also before going on a ride think about to change the exhaust you need 25mm or bigger diameter exhaust with no restrictors or the engine vill overheat and bog down.
So far it's great, I did break the starter chain (working on video) I know stock exhaust is restrictive. I ordered an aftermarket exhaust and 30mm carb!
Let's go 190CC!!! Wooohooo
put that hellcat 125cc engine on the pit bike..
Z50!
Thank you for this nice and informative video. Can you guide me if can use this engine in my 100 cc honda motorcycle?
If it's a horizontal style engine, yes
Great content. Loved it. Found a suplyer for your merch??
Motoloot said it was almost ready last week so I figured I'd wait...
Great video! Do you remember where you got the RPM signal from on the ZS-190 for your tachometer?
Thanks, not off the top of my head but I'm pretty sure I put it in the video it was the yellow wire possibly
Should try to get the 212 big bore kit for it next. There's no replacement for displacement.
I saw that kit!
How did you wire the gear indicator for the 190 to the the stock quick connect?
I pulled the selector out if the 190 and swapped them. So same plug
Hi wondering if you can help. I’ve ordered same engine for my west pit bike 140 but they also do the Welsh pit bike 190 beast and the engine looks identical to these 190’s. Am i gonna need to do the wiring etc you had to do? (I hope not as I’m not competent) thanks
I basically just done this I kept the loom of my 140 cut the main plug that goes to engine and wire up the same plug that on the zs190 colour match the wire. yellows goes to yellows white/blue to white/blue and red/black to red black and green to green and ya can't go wrong!
Wish I could ship my bike to you and have you install a 190 lol
Oh hell yeah!!!
Im having some performance issuses the engine seems sluggish. Did you add a performance cdi or do you think it could just be my carburetor?
Carb I bet
In my town (Modesto, Ca) craigslist there is a vader with a 212. Do you think you'd have to make some adaptions to get it to fit? Asking because I don't see any on youtube so guessing it's not as easy as the 190
212 is same mounting points as far as I know
I have a question where did you get that box to make a wire hardness. I need one like those to make me some.
If.links good. Should be in description or MotoCheez.com.
Love your content! :~)
Ty😁
Excellent excellent wow that kicked it up a notch.
How much do you have into it between the bike in the 190 motor?
Thanks motocheez for another entertaining video....Brogs Out !
The bike was $1060 (more now) and the motor was $700 so still half the price of a Grom and much faster
Didn't find the link for the Zongshen 190 in the description nor on your website... Am I just missing it?
It info on the guy and group on Facebook. That's all he gave me. He's still selling them.
I have a z125 just blew motor do I need a wiring harness or can just splice some
You can probably splice
Could a splined end (if it's splined) from the kickstart lever be cut off welded on to a tube and welded back on to extend it?
Yes. I thought about doing one for under seat in emergency
Well I think Im gonna pull the trigger on the daytona 190fe 4v 5speed on tbolt for the z125! I just emailed them to make sure its in stock! Do you think its the same motor mount as the zs190 cause steady garage has the bolt it motor mount for the z125 to zs190??
The 4v is 4 valve. The mounts should be same I'd assume but IDK honestly
It seems like that gasket is designed for an other motor, and they went 'good enough!'
Agreed, if it fit correctly it would seal ok
How was the sprocket setup did you like the 15 tooth? or did you go with a 16 or 17? Also did you change the back sprocket at all?
I changed but went back with stock gearing.
i had to do exactly what you did to make my carb fitt backwards. in this video you never put on air filter what did you end up doing abouut that? my cone filter hits the frame but i wonder if the filter with the curved rubber connection would fit and still stay under the plastic fairings? i really dont want to spend 40$ on the clocking flange when i could send my 10$ straight air filter back to amazon and buy the 12$ curved one.
I did put an air filter on. It's in the next episode I believe
Just ordered my zs190 and exhaust from David cant wait to get it and install it in my x20. Did you end up figuring out what clutch cable to use?
No. Still using stock cable, works great!
Black engine FTW 👌🏼
2V, correct ? Seems like you made Easy work of it !
Yes, 2V
I bought a Lifan KP150, my own version of whitey , going get a big bore kit that takes it to 210cc
Nice! Let me know how it goes. I might get one for Florida.
@@MotoCheez so far it's pretty peppy just adding a 28mm pwk and port matching the intake port
Do you know where I can order the original stator for the 125cc
It's a china clone, I see them on eBay, but dealer who sells them should have the stator
will be on a turbo tho?
First thing I gotta say is, your audio is fantastic! What do you use for a mic?
Also was debating whether to buy this motor or a big bore kit for my 125. Do you have any suggestions?
Thanks. When I have a helmet I use mic inside helmet, when assembling I use my Samsung S20. I was going to do a big bore but never found a confirmed fit for the engine. So I did the ZS190 swap 😁
Wish I had the patience to pull this off. I'd be over it in short order though. Maybe you should make a MotoCheez 190 swap kit where all the modifications are done and it's just a bolt on, mark it up a few hundred bucks per engine. 👍
It's only the stator plug and swapping the shift indicator (which I didn't record) rest is bolt in
@@MotoCheez And grinding off the petcock and modifying the exhaust and grinding off the sprocket cover....etc.
Yeah.... I see what you're saying...
@@MotoCheez What you did with the swap would take most people an entire weekend to accomplish. There's a market for mods that people just don't want to spend the time to do. A lot of people have more money than time. I think you'd make a pretty penny if you bought some of those 190 kits, modified them for faster install and then resell them at a nice markup to save people time. Just an idea. Keep up the great vids!
Probably, but I rather do the videos...I have people ask me all the time for mods 😁 it's easier for me to just do videos and not deal with sales and people.
Hey, sorry I didn’t see it in the description. Who’s you get this from?
A guy in Facebook group, it is in description I linked to the group
I have the same motor! From david! 73 no tuck gps. I also paid for the shift star fix. The grom uses the same oil filter.
I used everything from my old bike even the grom performance exhaust bent for the 125 it fit right up.
Sweet! Thanks for the filter info.. is the exhaust loud?
@@MotoCheez your on the zs190 swap page right? I can link you in a video if u want. But its definitely not quite but I do also have the baffle removed from the can.
@@MotoCheez but it's not obnoxious. It definitely sounds like crf250r ish
@@MotoCheez Check this out at Amazon.com
HIFLO FILTRO HF118 Premium Oil... www.amazon.com/dp/B07FZG4T48?ref=ppx_pop_mob_ap_share this is the filter from amazon disregard the fact that it says it's for a can am outlander it definitely is not. But it is the correct size for the atc/grom/zs190
Great job but your audio made me think my earbuds went bad lol almost chunked em till i went to another video
Sorry! The settings were off when I rendered this video. Just got a new laptop.... It's been corrected.
Yep i watched another 1 of your videos to find out it was on your end lol thanks all your other vids are great audio.
Thanks 😁
do u think this can be done to a xpro 125 cc venom? cus i want to buy either this one or the the venom
Should be same on any horizontal 125cc
Can you tell me what wires go to what on the harness from stock wires to z190 wires color to color if you can I would appreciate it brother
I don't recall. Only info I have is in the video. I do put info in the description
@@MotoCheez can u take a pic of it and send it to my ig@ef.sedan91 I would appreciate it if u can
Good install video, did you happen to notice or do you know what the weight difference is if any between the two engines?
Felt very close. Within 10 lbs for sure.
What exhaust did you use for your engine swap? Are there good alternatives to the Kepspeed gp1? That is more or less state side. Cant afford the shipping from the UK. So trying to find out what exhausts I can get that will work as this part has aftuallt made my brain go numb.lol
They make a side exhaust, but I do a lot of offroading so I welded up a high side style to fit. I have parts info in description.
@@MotoCheez sweet thank you very much.
I got the 212cc 4 valve head and legit sounds funny and won’t even start youd think after years of people having trouble with his motor they would’ve fixed it. I mean I paid 2K for this engine what a joke
Sounds funny? Like starter chain? That's really the only issue I've heard of.
30.mm Nibbi will work very well i put it in mine.
What exhaust did you run? Looking for someone quiet if possible.
Great job as always. Hell yeah, I keep watching your videos, I might be able to earn my C.M.E (Chinese Master Engineer) certification just yet...Whitey is on roids, more pep in her step.
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Well you just convinced me to do the 212 swap. My wife isnt gonna be happy 😭
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What oil cooler and hoses did you go with
It came with the engine.
The link for where to buy that engine is gone where can I find it please point me in the direction
Should be a zs190 face book group, guy sells them in there
Got my 190swap in and tried it yesterday and the clutch is stuck, that sucks on a brand new engine.
Mine was too. It's normal, try warming engine up then starting it in gear like I did in my video
Did you use the cdi that came with the engine. I cant figure it out. David told me to use it and the regulator but I cant figure out how to hook up the cdi cause the wiring isnt the same.
I did not use the CDI that came with the zs190, but I thought about making an adaptor to see if it's any better. The regulator that comes with the zs190 is kinda small, I didn't use that either.
@@MotoCheez yeah I figured it out. He didnt know what he was talking about. There is no way to use the cdi unless you redo the whole harness to fit it. Also the regulator kept blowing fuses. I hooked it up to the one that was on the bike and it ran perfect.
Your videos are getting too good dude
Thanks! 😁
Are you replacing this with your 125? And how big is it compared to the old engine ?
It's hardly any larger. Maybe 1/2" and a few lbs heavier.
Yes I replaced it a few thousand miles in it. I LOVE IT! Check out the later videos. I have a whole series on it (playlist) ua-cam.com/play/PLcxhNVEfTm_NLMUhorZPeNVymI2dMgf6I.html
Hey Cheez! Im about to do a 212 swap and im wondering where i can pick up one of these oil coolers i like this one for the fact that it has both ports on one side instead of across from eachother. I cant seem to fine any like this.
Try the guy Dave I listed in the description on boards. Mine came with everything
I would but im not on social media at all. Ill just keep looking.
Thanks though I appreciate it