You CAN’T Have PRO Backhand Form Until You Change THIS // Feat.
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Keeping that hip up is one of the 47 most important things to focus on while you're driving.
Lol exactly. So much goes thru my mind during the run up that I literally get lost
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Oh man this was a small revelation to me. I've practised doing it wrong all this time. No wonder I can't find any continuity in my throws. Thank you!
I am working on the same thing 😂 I didn’t realize how early in my run up I turn my hips back!
Will watch this after work! Played a round yesterday with some friends (they're good, I'm bad) and I kept throwing too high and nose up, they noticed my reach back always started low and outwards away from my body and it makes me pull up at the end of my swing, just can't keep the nose down. Don't want to quit because it's so much fun, I just suuuuuck
Even pros throw nose up sometimes and some took years of practice to not throw nose up. Practice practice practice! Do field work on just the nose angle release.
Also, you may want to look into your grip. A classic power grip can be problematic for nose up throws. Try a 3 finger power grip with your pinky free from the grip.
@@pathape I could not recommend this more. This was a quick fix for my nose-up issues and I’ve been able to toy around with other grips/ switch back to a four finger grip since. But dropping the pinky and using 3 fingers was an amazing help.
What really helped me was thinking about keeping my palm up through the whole throw (you don't really, but it helps to think of it this way). Supinating my wrist really helps me keep the nose down.
Paul Uli had a great clinic video from a few years ago that helped me learn reach back and pull through to help my solve my nose up issues check it out. You’re likely creating to much of a reach back causing more movement this causing more room for error. He breaks it down really well how to load up with out truly reaching back.
This video made me realize how straight up I normally stand!!! I will be implanting this tweak asap!
Imagine this guy on speed.
NO!
Love seeing the progress. We're here for the ride!
If people would stop saying reach back and start saying back shoulder turn everybody would jump ahead 6 months.
Cool vid, nice to see how you're breaking things down. I'm gonna hit my net today and see what I can do! This might be an interesting observation about the forward hip being up and the crow hop to keep it up a bit, I noticed that GG will often put his front foot down toe first which not only helps keep that hip up, but if you're in an athletic position it seems to help initiate getting the back hip around faster.
Simon says the lead foot points backwards a little on the last step when planted actually he said the farther he throws the more he points the lead foot back. The stagger is good and the hip up up down up I'll have to try.
Of course that plant foot toe is pointing back. You're loading the rear foot, glute, hips, back to fire forward and following through on that plant foot heel.
Of course that plant foot toe is pointing back. You're loading the rear foot, glute, hips, back to fire forward and following through on that plant foot heel.
Great video. BUT!!! The tip about the comma and period for slow motion? GAME CHANGER! Thanks!
First!
😡
You just fixed my tilted spiral issue that I’ve been trying to solve for 3 weeks. THANK YOU!
The crazy thing is most of the pros who throw insane distance didn't have any youtube videos to watch, yet they figured it out by themselves or with coaches. GG says him and his brothers just went to the field all the time and just threw and threw and got farther and farther, how he (and other old pros) got so good on their own boggles my mind
I think It's more crazy I watched hundreds of youtube tips on throwing a disc, but still don't get any better
BRRRAAAAAA.... That Comma, Period comment.... HOW DID I NOT KNOW THIS! lol9
Scott Stokely made a video 10 months ago called "How I Add 75ft To My Backhand Throw" where he talks about adding a crow hop of sorts to his backhand to get extra distance, but at the possible cost of accuracy. You might want to watch it for informational purposes (if you haven't already).
THIS IS WHAT I NEEDED! Thanks for making this so simple!
Those are some nice white socks you have Josh. This time of year it’s tough to get those. I am jealous.
Okay if I didn't take anything disc related from this video (Which I did), the comma, period usage for a stopped video, omg! thank you hahahaha I would drop most videos to the slowerst possible and that was still not slow enough and trying to stop, well you know how that goes :) So thanks!
Liked and commented for the frame by frame tutorial using , and .
That corrected form looks better. Reminds me a lot of of how Drew Gibson throws. Who imo has the best form on tour.
Tried this during my round last night and this morning. Makes stepping out on the last/stagger step make much more sense and it’s easier to move the disc along a smooth plain. I find I’m focusing so much on my hip I’m not reaching back as far and not coming through as fast but still getting (slightly)more distance. A lot to work on. My anhyzer shots have suffered a little as It does add a little bit more of a “natural” hyzer to my throw. Still not really following through “up” as much as I’d like but am looking forward to working on it in the field with some slower discs. Great video!
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I know it has been a while since you did this, but did this help mitigate shoulder fatigue and pain at all?
The hip up looks like it gives you more weight transfer.
Your form is looking awesome Anthony. Keep grinding 💪🏻
I did a one-on-one coaching lesson with someone local and I had a similar issue. They tought me to think of having my weight distrubuted 70/30 on the trailing leg. It's essentially doing the same thing but I like the way that @overthrowdiscgolf explained it more. Wild how just a tweak in the way of phrasing the change can make it click.
This video seriously helped things click
I think if you're coming out of the x-step correctly, i.e. smooth step in time and making sure your foot is closed to the target, the hip movement comes quite naturally. Even without a big step, making sure the step takes as long to fall as a big step ensures the hip falls into the coil position.
Nice. Josh is really good at what he does
I can visually see Josh's form review tips translating to your form in this video...Good work. Keep up the grind.
That Josh is a smart boi
Gonna try this TODAY
What practice net do you use brother?
From what I've seen most pros don't crow hop (SOME do though). In my experience, if you have the flexibility, skip it. It will really just become another unnecessary varible in your throw. It might not be so bad on a normal drive, but now think have a crow hop will complicate things in a downhill, uphill or sidesloped runup.
Another thing, which I am sure you are going to skip until you get the hip part right, is the off arm. Not even doing anything special with it, but just keeping it closer to your side makes a lot of difference! Hope to see you improve and play some real big tourneys soon
agree on the crow hop, I'm not doing it or planning on it. honestly the ideal is to get to 475-500+ of distance and then be able to throw essentially every shot at 80% power or less so definitely don't need the extra hop but keeping everything grounded
@@BodanzaDiscGolf I was going through similar changes to what you're now a month ago and agree of that philosophy aswell. I am personally seeing around 450 golf distance atm, still got some off-arm timing left to hit perfectly, but I am getting there! Good luck to you, you got 475-500 in a couple of months for sure!
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So.glad.to.find another form need. I do the exact same thing. I feel like if we hung out we'd never stop talking about disc golf form...lol. Subbed.
Ive been working on not burning my shots out, and when I watch vids when I throw it flat/hyzered vs anyhyzered I noticed my accidental anyhyzer shots looked more off balance but couldn’t figure out what caused it. Watching this I was able to notice the anyhyzer ones had the early dip and the flat/hyzer ones my hips stayed up. Never seen this tip before so thank you 🙌🏼
Soooo this feels amazing! However. Now everything seems more hyzer. Any tips on how to adjust?
Hip up is such a great tip! Thanks for the video. @5:53 would’ve been cooler if you did hit the window, tbh. 😂
I figured the same thing, I was doing that was the way I started facing the basket. Now when I play I start sideways and do my run up. The major problem now is just keeping the arm/shoulder up on the driving hand and tucked back not out at a 90% angle sometimes when I am driving as this loses 20--25% of the power I was using before this fix. It was watching pro players and seeing some start facing sideways on the run up from the start to fix this problem of being overturned I had when coming back in late 2015 after not really playing since 2009. Now I do not really play since 2019--2020 but when I do, I line up sideways. I think I was doing this before in 2000's and facing more forward in some short fairway/long midrange type shots so I could still go harder on the shot and not worry about finding proper speed for the shot as closely.
nice vid! this form trainer is insane ..... we don't have trainers in germany like him! we still need yours and others streamers vids to approve on our form, filming ourself, analize and stuff ...... please send some trainers over here for the new year
And you thought you left those ankle shots behind you when you stopped playing soccer. 😂😂
period and comma trick helped me out fr. good video in general. but that was life changing. lol
Interesting video , thank you . I’m really enjoying your videos as you have great content and obviously put time into your videos. If I could give one bit of feedback , you talk really fast during most of your videos
which makes them hard
to follow at times . I used to get
similar feedback when I used
to run training classes which I think in my case was due to
adrenaline. Keep up the good work
What net you using? I’m thinking of just going to buy a child’s soccer net.
Awesome loved the Bo-nanza! Greatly Job my friend!
Wow. I never would’ve thought of hip angle to be honest. Great video, as you were explaining I realized I’ve noticed Mcbeth doing this and when you watch Mcbeths’s slow motion it almost looks exaggerated when you’re paying attention.
I think having the disc go behind your body is not important. Paul does it and it seems to work ok for him.
Ricky Wysocki said he gets his angle of release strictly from the way he positions his wrist vs using body tilt to do it and you can tell hes not lying when you slowmo his drives
Love the energy! Great vid too, I'm definitely rounding, hopefully this helps.
Literally my biggest issue was addressed in this !!! Thank You
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I find the main benefit of the stagger is that it keeps my chest out of the way of my pull through
Dude, I didnt even know, but I totally do this. huge help. thanks
The comma and dot saved my life, fellow form nerd. Thank you!!!!
Good video ❤😂 great excitement for the game. Seem like a swell fella
This helped me a lot. I’m not so much worrying about distance after this video-I’m focusing on my hips and also after this vid using my left hand to balance disc in correct angle before throwing. Now that I have this vid soon I’ll start getting power
With going from down to up in the last steps, how do you avoid throwing super nose up in that going up motion?
Omg this might be what I need to reach my final form!!!
Literally just order a tripod for my phone and a net so I can start working on my form.
My hips do the same thing as you were doing. I'm going to work on this fix. Thank you!
Dude.... the comma and period trick is a game changer
Can you explain this to me? I’m not sure how to find this
@@shanemurphy7277 While a youtube video is paused, you can rewind and fast forward frame by frame to break down someones form
You mentioned starting the x-step facing the target and continually spinning instead of starting more offset and I tried it in my living room and it feel much more like I am traveling the direction I want if I start of slightly offset. I feel like a lot of my disc golf game is good in less wooded holes but I struggle most with accuracy and not really power/distance etc. Excited to try some of this out as its been my biggest frustration.
Interested to know when this video was filmed?
omg the hip thing is gonna help me so mutch i have the same proplem
Wow can't wait to try this when I get a chance to! Thanks for sharing the info.
Love this. Its so relateable to us «normal» people!!
I’ve been having exactly the same problem, and somehow you explained this soooo well. I have a practice area in my basement, and the improvement was instant.
That comma, period. made my life so much easier
Road to 25k subs josh. Can’t wait to see it!
What is a good net to get to throw into.
I like visionary a lot. I have a couple llinked in the description!
Wow this is amazing stuff.
20k to the top! Great vid!
Hi Bodanza, just wondering if you can link the net you use to practice throw into in the description? Thanks.
Will do! This was a temporary one, I will have a review of the net that I use up within a week or so!
What's the net you throw into
posting a video on it today
@@BodanzaDiscGolf 🤘
I wonder if you'll start to throw less stable discs if you're new form has a more natural hyzer release
excited to try that out. Opens up a much larger range of shots to be confident with different degrees of hyzer
Good stuff man
Looking good man.
Nice progress!
6:44 THANK YOU
What's that net?
I'd watch a net review. Quality vs price. Ease of use. Set up time. Durability. Features. Things for me to look out for in my buying decisions.
Sweet!
Interested in the net, did you settle on the Skilz?
no, just needed something quick. Will have a review up soon of the nets I'll be using!
Yeah you sound more winded just trying to talk fast enough to keep up with your thoughts than from the throwing. Great work keep it up. God bless OT. I'm curious to hear about how it goes in a field / on the course ... Let us know!
It’s so crazy that you released this video today. Cuz yesterday my buddy, who is a lot better than I am, predicted that I’m a very new player because on my reach back I would turn my hips so much that my bum would be facing the target and on my pull through I would automatically drop my front hip. Today, I went out and played a round focusing solely on keeping my front hip up and in-line with the target, I shot my best round ever in my measly 6 month career lol. Finally hit par today which was friggin amazing lol keep up the awesome content brother 🤌🏻🤙🏻
With my field work this season and trying to throw more like the form Simon uses, I learned the smaller x-step and up up down up a little. even just that little bit I learned, all of my drives have felt better and been more accurate, consistent and further on average.
Great video! Glad youtube recommended. Easy decision to subscribe!
The hop in X-step if doing everything right can help with gaining speed or a tripping issue if you have such a one when doing the fast style X--step. I see when watching pro players the Japanese and few other Asian players they tend to have the hop in the X--step when playing and get amazing distance for the size of the player. I saw a Video of worlds of the Pro Players when they did that in Emporium Kansas in 2010's and filmed the drives of every player and the distance on the one monster diving hole.
Slingshot Discgolf is a good channel to review the breakdown of the backhand
However, it is a different style. There are two methods at the extremes, with many players in between.
Overthrown promotes the counterbalance hip-sway method. The front hip does much of the work, strong rotational energy.
Slingshot uses linear force created by the rear leg and hip, with a strong disassociation between rear hip and the shoulders to slingshot the arm.
If you dont realize they are different styles, you will find the advice from each conflicting and confusing.
@@michaelcushmanI watch both. 2 year player that has a lot of time to practice. I love both but overthrow has a lot more. I’ve worked on a lot but can you help with the differences more so I don’t screw myself trying to learn? Thanks for the heads up
The best, Coach T is awesome!
But its not the classic backhand throw, its his own take on it hence the term slingshot
I am a 72-yr old disc golfer. I notice that without a run/walk up I can throw 320 feet. I've been practicing the x-step and watching youtube videos like this one to see how to do it correctly, but using the x-step I can still only throw 250 feet. I must be doing something terribly wrong?
It's weird that I came across you video right now cause I literally just started the process of changing my form from how you WERE throwing this video is EXTREMELY HELPFUL!! thank you!!
This makes a ton of sense. I have been consistently throwing 450 ft, but feel like I’m doing something wrong to not be able to go +500 consistently. Yes 450 is great distance, but I am 6’7 and know there is a lot left in the tank. Thanks for the video, definitely going to work on keeping my hips up.
Awesome! You defintiely got more in the tank!! If I do (at 5'6 throwing around 410), you definitely do! As my distance grows you better get 100+ ft ahead ;)
Have you looked at any Sling Shot Disc Golf content? I feel like it's complimentary to Overthrow. Those two channels have done more for me than anything else.
Even from my first day disc golfing, I didn't like the x-step. I knew it sounds simple, but isn't. So I've ALWAYS just done standstill. Once it warms up again, my shoulder (had surgery) should be ready for me to fix all my errors and try to learn things like this. I'll keep this video in mind in the future. Appreciate it.
I've noticed people that dont feel comfortable with using an x step a lot of time think they have to move their feet fast through the x step or are way too worried about reaching back. I don't think people should actively reach back and the x step should be slowish and under control. Also, try throwing upshots or low power throws with a short x step. Standstill throws can create bad habits. Usually, it creates problems with using way too much arm and flexing the arm too much. The arm needs to be loose and whippy and the power comes from elastic energy and weight transfer.
Shade tree disc golfer, lol. J/K, nice progress.
Thank you for this info. The explanation was one that finally made sense for me. I teach baseball players to hit and nobody had ever put together a good explanation. I tried this out yesterday and while some of the releases were inconsistent, the form was great and when I hit it right everything was so easy and effortless.
Had to stop watching as soon as you mentioned Josh. I can't take someone serious who has a horrible form and everyone calls a "Coach"
He doesn’t pretend to be a pro, he watches what pros do and translates that into drills people can do to learn that
haha this was a recap of the last "form reviews"he did,he gave this answer to about 6 people in a row. but its a great info and it a easy fix for what a lot of people have issues doing.
rofl horrific