@@ulkimion I think you can do both--for example rating the cultist as a composite of how dangerous it is as a solo encounter, in the chosen fight, the 3 cultist fight, and its Awakened appearance. Enemies tend to themselves counter certain playstyles so I don't think the ranking will be too different. (The cultist in all of its appearances tends to be countered by burst damage for example)
Now that you’ve made the tierlist, I would love for you to replay most or all of these mods and see if you agree with your ratings or want to change them around.
The champ is a lot of people’s favorite because it feels very much like the watcher with all the stance changes. However I’m not a fan of stance changing characters all that much so I kinda agree with your placement.
That’s funny, I’m not a big watcher guy but I was a massive champ fan (and downfall fan in general) when I played him. I dunno exactly what it is, but him being one of my favorite bosses might have something to do with it. (Snecko can languish in F tier though)
I think Snecko can be a good time in Archipelago, because then you get to adjust to whichever terrible package you get and not mixin build around cards from packages you can't afford
That's Hexaghost for me. With Snecko, I got the hang of it after 2 runs, while after 5 runs I still haven't reached act 3 on Hexaghost. Dunno why, but the character does not seem to click with me.
I know the reason you don't do many tier lists is that it's not the best streaming material (fiscally) but we do appreciate the work you put into them. Love you dude, keep on keeping on =]
The Rainbow Mod was in the video called "What If You Played All Your Favorite Mods AT ONCE?!" I remember watching it a few months ago so I wanted to go searching for it.
Playing The Automaton is a mess, but it is a *glorious* mess. What cards will you produce? Not a damn clue, but they'll be powerful. Is your deck full of 30+ statuses? Yes, and that's by design, and they make me stronger. It's definitely one of my top modded classes of all time.
Frost, a Top Dozen recommended characters list for those you missed, alphabetically sorted: 100% SpireJuice, Chaser, GoldenGlow, Hierophant, Marisa, Necromancer, Paladin, PotionBrewer, Runesmith, Sage, Senshi, Yuri
My friend who plays Yu-Gi-Oh got the duelist mod and me, him, and another friend played A20 with hard modifiers in together in spire. He made the duelist look INSANELY broken. Like, me and my buddy were just watching him deal 300+dmg in a single turn on act 1. I guess if you understand Yu-Gi-Oh, you'll destroy EVERYTHING, but if you don't, you'll destroy your brain trying to understand.
I enjoy Yu-Gi-Oh very casually, but the Yu-Gi-Oh mod is still my favorite. You absolutely do not need to 'know YGO' to understand it, as the only mechanic it even really had from YGO is summoning and tributing, which is abundantly easy to understand. Can it get crazy and out of hand? Sure. But when you actually just slow down and read, a lot of the decks have very clear builds and synergies to them, with each type of monster having their own decks they can go into. It's complicated, but absolutely learnable with time. I'd say the biggest 'problem' with it is that it isn't a mod that's a '1-2 and done' like most others can realistically be. There's so much to do in it that it really does work best the more and more knowledge you accumulate of the mod itself. It's just a shame to see so many people just dunk on it when it's clearly made with so much effort and has so much to offer as you keep playing and unlocking decks. I don't think it's for everyone because it does require that time investment to learn, but it absolutely deserves some recognition for the ambitious passion project that it is. Perhaps the only thing I could say that would improve it is perhaps the option to separate the decks into their own separate mods so that they're more consumable at a beginner level.
@@matacusa Yea, Ruina is good too. But I feel like Library of Ruina has more interesting contents to offer. Espcially with the switchable Page mechanics, -unless using one of the three unique pages, which I won't spoil.-
@@opatzo9165I think his intent is to use prismatic shard as a worst-case scenario: do the cards from the modded character have synergies with cards of the existing characters? If they do, that means the mod creator went above and beyond to make sure their mod fits in with Slay the Spire’s unique game balance, something EXTREMELY difficult to do if you’re not a designer for the base game already. It also means the mod doesn’t turn the game into something that feels different from the base game, a subjective judgment really hard to nail in terms of aesthetics and visual design. So I see where they are coming from with their idea, but yeah it’s a bonkers way to balance everything 🤣 Just because prismatic shard is a functional relic for a particular modded character does not make it good on its own!
@@boomkruncher325zzshred5 I mean I understand where they are coming from but going above and beyond to balance for other characters are extremely dumb. Take a look at the main game, I wouldn’t say they had any synergy with each other. The reason why prismatic was never a good relic(in terms of power) in the first place is the fact that most cards don’t synergies with each other. Cards that do synergies are simply because they are just powerful on their own. Any cards that are relevant to the characters gimmick are usually instantly ignored in a prismatic run(poison, orbs-we don’t count watcher cards because watcher always has lethal)
I know you said you didn't want to, but I want to echo the sentiment that JoJo gets better after Part 1. I didn't enjoy Part 1 that much, but it's only 9 episodes; after that is Part 2, which has way better pacing and a much more interesting protagonist. Plus from Part 3 onwards it introduces Stands, which is one of the most creative and interesting power systems in just about any fighting-oriented series I've ever seen
It's such a shame that you decided not to ever go back to the Hollow Knight mod, I just picked it up because of you and I'd love to see more content from it, with you really pushing the mod and doing some crazy stuff on A20
Accidentally hit dislike instead of like and immediately was like "Sorry Frost!" Lol, one of my biggest heroes passed away yesterday, I know this may not be the place to be talking about this, so I'll just say, thank you for making the pain that much lighter and I love you Frost ❤️
Having grinded hungry wolf to a16, you can take prismatic on a boss swap or in act 1 easily. Wolf struggles with front loaded damage in act 1 and there's so much exhaust for late game. You cannot take sneko currently.
I deeply agree with Thorton S tier, I only jsut started seeing your videos around when you started playing him and the Thorton cosplay video with all your little skits and A word form our Sponcer stuff is honestly the best youtube video I've ever watched. Also I know the teir lsit video is over, but can we still send you money to move stuff around on this list? How much to move the Rodent one higher again so its two teirs above everything else?
I also used to despise Snecko, but they updated it to reduce the randomness of the cards you get by choosing 3 classes to receive from. After the update, solid D-tier Edit: Tier list forgor Brotato character and The Disciple. Also, proposition to add Somnambulant?
For the duelist, you don't need to know shit about yugioh because other than the card art, names, tributing and a few buzzwords it isn't yugioh at all. I've played so much of it and one thing that's abundantly clear is that it's not supposed to actually emulate yugioh at all and well it can be kinda fun once you figure out what the 10 new terms for your new deck is figuring it all out is a horrid shitshow. The mod deserves F--- teir jesus
Balance is most important in such a game. Modded characters can be fun, but are not good for esport. The company should update the original game more often and create an esport option.
3:18 I don't get this comment honestly If they can't draw well and this isn't for profit then I frankly don't see an issue at all. Appealing to copyright law or 'stealing' is lame for _free mods_ . Feel like people don't understand why they even dislike AI art
Oh I uderstand ass a Yugioh player the game is hard too leard IT does not have a skill climb that game has a skill cliff soo If the mod is like the game that it is based on then I see why you gót frustrated
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I would love an enemies tier list! Like how dangerous they are
Should this be made per encounter or each enemy separately taking into account each encounter they appear in?
@@ulkimion2 option i think
Yesss
@@ulkimion I think you can do both--for example rating the cultist as a composite of how dangerous it is as a solo encounter, in the chosen fight, the 3 cultist fight, and its Awakened appearance.
Enemies tend to themselves counter certain playstyles so I don't think the ranking will be too different. (The cultist in all of its appearances tends to be countered by burst damage for example)
solo jawworm s tier
Now that you’ve made the tierlist, I would love for you to replay most or all of these mods and see if you agree with your ratings or want to change them around.
Landlord mod when?
The champ is a lot of people’s favorite because it feels very much like the watcher with all the stance changes. However I’m not a fan of stance changing characters all that much so I kinda agree with your placement.
That’s funny, I’m not a big watcher guy but I was a massive champ fan (and downfall fan in general) when I played him. I dunno exactly what it is, but him being one of my favorite bosses might have something to do with it.
(Snecko can languish in F tier though)
13:03 "I've never played League of Legends" - FrostPrime 2023
Snecko is the only Downfall character I can't beat ascension 0 with. I don't even think I've beaten act 2
Honestly they're a rough adjustment but they can be a blast
I think Snecko can be a good time in Archipelago, because then you get to adjust to whichever terrible package you get and not mixin build around cards from packages you can't afford
That's Hexaghost for me. With Snecko, I got the hang of it after 2 runs, while after 5 runs I still haven't reached act 3 on Hexaghost. Dunno why, but the character does not seem to click with me.
I know the reason you don't do many tier lists is that it's not the best streaming material (fiscally) but we do appreciate the work you put into them. Love you dude, keep on keeping on =]
The Rainbow Mod was in the video called "What If You Played All Your Favorite Mods AT ONCE?!" I remember watching it a few months ago so I wanted to go searching for it.
Playing The Automaton is a mess, but it is a *glorious* mess.
What cards will you produce? Not a damn clue, but they'll be powerful. Is your deck full of 30+ statuses? Yes, and that's by design, and they make me stronger.
It's definitely one of my top modded classes of all time.
Frost, a Top Dozen recommended characters list for those you missed, alphabetically sorted:
100% SpireJuice, Chaser, GoldenGlow, Hierophant, Marisa, Necromancer, Paladin, PotionBrewer, Runesmith, Sage, Senshi, Yuri
you know I actually want to truly see him do more tierlists in the future like for other stuff i enjoyed all of his tierlists honestly.
The absolute most important part of Bug Knight/Acts of Hallownest: Zote is in StS. Nothing else matters, S tier mod
loved the tear list Frap. You forgot some mods like Marisa. also I'd love to see the Library of Ruina character mod at some point.
My friend who plays Yu-Gi-Oh got the duelist mod and me, him, and another friend played A20 with hard modifiers in together in spire. He made the duelist look INSANELY broken. Like, me and my buddy were just watching him deal 300+dmg in a single turn on act 1. I guess if you understand Yu-Gi-Oh, you'll destroy EVERYTHING, but if you don't, you'll destroy your brain trying to understand.
I enjoy Yu-Gi-Oh very casually, but the Yu-Gi-Oh mod is still my favorite. You absolutely do not need to 'know YGO' to understand it, as the only mechanic it even really had from YGO is summoning and tributing, which is abundantly easy to understand.
Can it get crazy and out of hand? Sure. But when you actually just slow down and read, a lot of the decks have very clear builds and synergies to them, with each type of monster having their own decks they can go into. It's complicated, but absolutely learnable with time.
I'd say the biggest 'problem' with it is that it isn't a mod that's a '1-2 and done' like most others can realistically be. There's so much to do in it that it really does work best the more and more knowledge you accumulate of the mod itself.
It's just a shame to see so many people just dunk on it when it's clearly made with so much effort and has so much to offer as you keep playing and unlocking decks. I don't think it's for everyone because it does require that time investment to learn, but it absolutely deserves some recognition for the ambitious passion project that it is.
Perhaps the only thing I could say that would improve it is perhaps the option to separate the decks into their own separate mods so that they're more consumable at a beginner level.
Hoping for a stream or two on the Library of Ruina Mod.
Agreed! The alternate Act is a permanent part of my rotation because of how unique and well-crafted it is.
@@matacusa
Yea, Ruina is good too. But I feel like Library of Ruina has more interesting contents to offer.
Espcially with the switchable Page mechanics, -unless using one of the three unique pages, which I won't spoil.-
Tier lists are pog and super requested content, I like hearing your thoughts about things
Seeing this vid remind me. You should try Marisa Mod char, really well made, and you should particularly experience with that Rainbow char mod
Oh hell yea
Frost Prime off to the side brings me back nostalgia of old streams where he would cut to himself on a different camera angle
I feel the measure of a good mod is how well you could prismatic shard. Would their cards help the other or can they synergise past calm and divinity
No? Using prismatic shard as a measure is the worse way to do it
@@opatzo9165I think his intent is to use prismatic shard as a worst-case scenario: do the cards from the modded character have synergies with cards of the existing characters? If they do, that means the mod creator went above and beyond to make sure their mod fits in with Slay the Spire’s unique game balance, something EXTREMELY difficult to do if you’re not a designer for the base game already. It also means the mod doesn’t turn the game into something that feels different from the base game, a subjective judgment really hard to nail in terms of aesthetics and visual design.
So I see where they are coming from with their idea, but yeah it’s a bonkers way to balance everything 🤣 Just because prismatic shard is a functional relic for a particular modded character does not make it good on its own!
@@boomkruncher325zzshred5 I mean I understand where they are coming from but going above and beyond to balance for other characters are extremely dumb. Take a look at the main game, I wouldn’t say they had any synergy with each other. The reason why prismatic was never a good relic(in terms of power) in the first place is the fact that most cards don’t synergies with each other.
Cards that do synergies are simply because they are just powerful on their own. Any cards that are relevant to the characters gimmick are usually instantly ignored in a prismatic run(poison, orbs-we don’t count watcher cards because watcher always has lethal)
I know you said you didn't want to, but I want to echo the sentiment that JoJo gets better after Part 1. I didn't enjoy Part 1 that much, but it's only 9 episodes; after that is Part 2, which has way better pacing and a much more interesting protagonist. Plus from Part 3 onwards it introduces Stands, which is one of the most creative and interesting power systems in just about any fighting-oriented series I've ever seen
I was generally not a huge fan of downfall, but the automaton really hit the spot for me. It was amazing.
poor adventurer being the only one that went through the bribe meme, at least that didnt got out of control
It's such a shame that you decided not to ever go back to the Hollow Knight mod, I just picked it up because of you and I'd love to see more content from it, with you really pushing the mod and doing some crazy stuff on A20
Accidentally hit dislike instead of like and immediately was like "Sorry Frost!" Lol, one of my biggest heroes passed away yesterday, I know this may not be the place to be talking about this, so I'll just say, thank you for making the pain that much lighter and I love you Frost ❤️
Ok this is actually super helpful thank you very muchly
The Wanderer from Jorb's Wanderer Trilogy is phenomenal. Even has a little voice acting.
The VUP shion characters are really fun, only downside is that you have to admit to playing with that mod...
Having grinded hungry wolf to a16, you can take prismatic on a boss swap or in act 1 easily. Wolf struggles with front loaded damage in act 1 and there's so much exhaust for late game.
You cannot take sneko currently.
I play a bit more vanilla than frost but the 2 mods that are s-tier imo are pack master and drifter
Rodent(the) and the drifter are my two favorite. Currently attempting to climb to a20 with them
25:35
But why?!
Can anyone from stream explain, thanks?
Goated adding the song currently playing edit.
The Lost on A25 run when?
Would love to see you try The Shade. Fun character that uses undead summons
+2
Cant believe he put Angler to D teir. Truly, we live in a society
Been wanting this for so long!
Was there ever a video on the yugioh mod because i csnt find it
Holy this is how the old setup was for intros I thought I clicked on an old ass video for a second
I deeply agree with Thorton S tier, I only jsut started seeing your videos around when you started playing him and the Thorton cosplay video with all your little skits and A word form our Sponcer stuff is honestly the best youtube video I've ever watched. Also I know the teir lsit video is over, but can we still send you money to move stuff around on this list? How much to move the Rodent one higher again so its two teirs above everything else?
Idk why but I really like the intro camera angle
+1 on Frost is a fucking idiot: that's why we love him.
I rememer seeing the Rainbow modded vid on youtube! Can't find it at the moment, but it was here!
Should play the unchained again to refresh your memory.
Packmaster Woohooo Yaaaay!!!
Oh yeah! I really recommend the rhythm heaven mod.
I haven't played it in like a year, but it was really fun
Play the sidereal. Effectively, you build 2 decks at the same time. Pay attention to the cards color if you play with this character
Okay, but where are the videos for these?
Thanks for rating the constrictor A tier. I'll rate you S tier Frost.
Bull, there's been a video on snecko. I wouldn't know what his schtick is otherwise.
Challenge: Play the mods you thought they were bad and try to enjoy them
Why Frost never tried Marisa? Even though it is a touhou mod, and never played it, I liked the character on almost same level as packmaster
Andrew there was a video on the rainbow mod like multiple but i dont remember what video
You should try the dreggs. I Would be excited to have your opinion on it :)
I also used to despise Snecko, but they updated it to reduce the randomness of the cards you get by choosing 3 classes to receive from. After the update, solid D-tier
Edit: Tier list forgor Brotato character and The Disciple. Also, proposition to add Somnambulant?
You're almost a S tier frost
Tierlist poggy woggy
28:35 this is blatantly incorrect, the Hungry Wolf is ridiculously strong with a prismatic shard because he gets 10 energy
The Buxom S-Tier, if you know you know
I think you'd really like playing The cursed
This is some awesome C O N T E N T. Algorithm gang represent.
I'm amazed chat interfered so little with this ranking.
Wait where's The Watcher on this tierlist? KEKLEO
lost got fixed with the easy infinite btw... still funny to play.
Tierlin poglin
I am indeed very mad at whoever slandered Adventurer.
You gotta try some Touhou characters. There are a lot of very good ones.
day 345 of asking frost to play chess
i have a dog on top of me rn
on chapter 298 of black clover
elden ring is my new favourite game
Ya gotta do all the anime ones now
damn where my problem sleuth enjoyers at
Za Warudo
If the rat isn't S tier I'll riot
I downloaded Downfall for the Sneko
I don't play Downfall much
Curses and/or potions plz?
Chaser mod when
For the duelist, you don't need to know shit about yugioh because other than the card art, names, tributing and a few buzzwords it isn't yugioh at all. I've played so much of it and one thing that's abundantly clear is that it's not supposed to actually emulate yugioh at all and well it can be kinda fun once you figure out what the 10 new terms for your new deck is figuring it all out is a horrid shitshow. The mod deserves F--- teir jesus
poggywoggy
Tierlist.
bad diio low
Nice
Love the tierlist idea, but isn't it kinda pointless if people can just buy Tiers?
If only i had a million dollars to put the yugioh mod at the top
(I hate the yugioh mod)
(But it is also a bit of a guilty pleasure)
poggesr
Day 194 of asking Frost for a run of The Evolution
Balance is most important in such a game. Modded characters can be fun, but are not good for esport. The company should update the original game more often and create an esport option.
IS THAT A SHORT JOKE?
Day 362 of coming from Twitch just to drop a like and a comment for my boy Andrew. SidePrime_ SidePrime_ SidePrime_, also hey I have that shirt!
3:18 I don't get this comment honestly
If they can't draw well and this isn't for profit then I frankly don't see an issue at all. Appealing to copyright law or 'stealing' is lame for _free mods_ . Feel like people don't understand why they even dislike AI art
Oh I uderstand ass a Yugioh player the game is hard too leard IT does not have a skill climb that game has a skill cliff soo If the mod is like the game that it is based on then I see why you gót frustrated
The hermit feels so out of place. A fucking gun wielding cowboy in the spire. Honestly trash tier
mid video!
"its a tier list you can buy!"
its an unsub button i can press!