There are definitely people out there that were made for this bike (maybe not the $16k version). Older people sticking to non techy trails, but need a boost uphill. I could see myself in this area in 10-ish years when I'm retired.
Watched another review of this ebike and the guy was slamming through creek beds and up rooted banks, railing turns, popping jumps everywhere. The bike didn't look overwhelmed at all. $16K is absurd.
That weight is pretty wild. An LT of it with a 150mm fork and angleset would be the ticket...but at that point, just get another bike fit for purpose. Showroom piece of a bike.
Hi guys just watched your review, I have one down in little old New Zealand …which I just love riding …I’m 69 so do a bit of ever thing … nothing extreme for sure .. small battery only issue… motor once you get cadence in sweet spot it’s a awesome ride . I swap my ride between it and Scott Patron to give the body a rest
This would be a good bike for the Midwest crowd. Flattish fast flowy trails with little in the way for steepness or tech (except the man made variety).
The Pivot SL seems to be the obvious superior option to this bike. The Fazua is a better motor, the battery lasts longer, and the bike is more capable. This bike makes the Pivot pricing seem reasonable!
I've ridden both Fazua and TQ and the Fazua is so much worse lol. Power delivery is super unnatural/jerky and it's hard to maintain a steady speed at low cadences. The shitty Fazua controller/screen don't help either. The TQ is so smooth and quiet.
@@whitest_kyle That's interesting. I found the opposite to be true. I found the Fazua to be extremely quiet and smooth on power delivery. I also found the Fazua to produce less drag, especially when pedaling over 20mph.
Agree that the lower end models would add more versatility and capability. Case in point, Andrew Neethling (ex WC downhill racer) swapped his one’s fork to a 140mm Fox 36 and it’s one of his favourite bikes… and a lot more capable than he thought. That said, he has swapped to the new Voltage ! 😀 Just in case you think he’s not that good / capable a rider… google Darkfest 2024, although he didn’t officially compete, he did a few runs with the other riders.
I assume Scott provided their top end model hoping the wow factor would catch your viewer's interest. The $16k price is a non-starter for almost everyone. Unfortunate that you didn't have a lower end model to review that was more adjustable and not as super stiff. That version may have fared a bit better even if a few pounds heavier. I like the low weight but the Lumen seems like it fits a fairly narrow niche versus most of the other bikes in this review.
Scott wasn't alone in wanting to send their top of the line model. It's a beautiful piece but we don't think the spec is so much of why we felt it wasn't right for us. It's just very much an XC bike, and we're not XC riders, and we don't know that XC types are eBike riders or want eMTBs? We think the 150 and up travel category is probably better for eMTBs, but again, sales will dictate whether or not this category grows and we could absolutely be wrong and this is exactly what a ton of people have been waiting for... We're excited to see!
@@TheLoamWolf Good points. e-XC isn't really something that I thought of as a thing but I suppose it could develop. I'm not an XC rider either. As a trail bike the Scott seems limited, which is how I was looking at it until your response clarified for me the intended e-XC niche. Really enjoy these roundup reviews!
I understand the attraction of reviewing the very top of the line - mid teen thousand dollar bikes - because EVRYONE DOES IT. However, it seems as though the 2nd model up from bottom tends to be a sweet spot in these bikes. That is much more useful and the data on that category is hard to come by because VERY FEW DO IT. That's what I'd suggest you concentrate on.
We here you there, and we agree. Often times what we find is that brands want to send their top of the line bikes because of the concern that other reviewers in the past would bash a bike as not being as good as another, without the context of price. For example if a brand sends an affordable bike but 3 others send full Fox Factory XX1 Eagle bikes, reviewers without experience or reference may say the more affordable bike isn't as good, or doesn't shift as smoothly, or is lbs heavier. So, in an effort to level the field, brands probably think, "If we send the top spec, our bikes will all be similarly spec'd and have best bet at similar performance." This is why we often do Shootouts our Group Reviews with a maximum price tag, like our Sub 2k or Sub 3k tests. We expect that as eMTB continues to grow, we'll likely ad a Sub 6k or Sub 7k eMTB Roundup to our production schedule. We'd love to see how they do! It's a challenge and opens up a lot more competition to seeing who can offer a better value to spec at those lower points! Thanks for sharing.
Reason: they want the frame to shine, and none of the components to get in the way of the review. It seems too many forget the frame is but one aspect of the whole picture...
@@rezenclowd3 No one likes live valve, as it consistently does get in the way of the reviews, and it seems to be a common feature in this price category. Additionally, the concept of the one piece stem/bars is generally panned as a bad idea, so that also gets in the way of reviewers' impressions. Manufacturers would almost be better off if they didn't send those out for review, especially given the incredibly limited number of people who can afford to spend more money on hated features. Plus, the "bang for the buck factor" is greatly reduced on these absurdly expensive models.
I actually prefer reviews on higher end bikes. Critiques on brakes, low spec suspension etc. is just a waste of time since that can upgraded. I want to know how the bike overall performs, not how the individual parts perform.
Thank you for sharing and that's very valid point. Entry level bike reviews really are just good for referencing what brands offer the best value/spec for a price tag but may not be best for performance evaluation.
I see you guys doesn't know what to say about this bike... XC with motor! With this price tag anyone could get the lightest sub 20lbs true XC bike which could fly on any trails surpassing most of local riders. It's just shame to get XC ebike...
It is crazy expensive, but they do have models that still ride well and cost much less. But thanks for sharing what your price limit is, that helps give us more info on our viewers and their interested zones.
Shame you spend 60% of the video explaining that it's not for you or your riding style. Why accept it into this comparison when it's completely not for you? Might as well add a children's bike to the mix.
Fair, but they do address who this bike would be good for and mention how fun it was on fast and flowy trails. Seems like the whole point of this series is to give an honest opinion on what bike would work for specific riders and what type of trails it excels on.
We accepted it because we are always open-minded and like trying products that are outside of our normal riding style. If we said no to things we wouldn't open ourselves to the possibilities of having our minds changed, or learning. Furthermore, we absolutely understand that the type of riding we like, and do, is not what the majority of the mountain biking public engages in. So, on top of always wanting to learn and experiment to better ourselves, we felt having this bike would be valuable for people who don't ride the way we do. Which is why we said, this bike, or its more affordable models below it, would be a great option for milder trail riders or XC-focused types.
Exactly right thank you! If we only rode the bikes we thought we'd like, then we wouldn't have our minds changed or learn new things very often...We like having open minds when it comes to experiencing new things.
How do u think they found out that the bike wasn’t for them? They took the bike and test rode it on trails. If they didn’t accept the bike at all, how r they gonna provide an option?? They provided their honest feedback about it to better inform viewers like u and me that wouldn’t necessarily be fortunate enough to try all the amazing bikes coming out these days. It didn’t fit their trails or riding styles, now we have one more piece of information about this bike. They did their job.
Why dont you and all the other reviewers take a stand and refuse to review these stupid expensive bikes? I refuse to buy them and thefore refuse to watch. 0 value
The shootout is really shooting out these videos
I’m glad this bike exists. It shows that e-bikes can be as light (nearly) as analog bikes.
They're getting closer and closer!
There are definitely people out there that were made for this bike (maybe not the $16k version). Older people sticking to non techy trails, but need a boost uphill. I could see myself in this area in 10-ish years when I'm retired.
Watched another review of this ebike and the guy was slamming through creek beds and up rooted banks, railing turns, popping jumps everywhere. The bike didn't look overwhelmed at all. $16K is absurd.
That weight is pretty wild. An LT of it with a 150mm fork and angleset would be the ticket...but at that point, just get another bike fit for purpose. Showroom piece of a bike.
I heard 16k in thr intro, im currently 2:25 into the video and i still cant stop snorting and wheezing from laughter. My face hurts.
Hi guys just watched your review, I have one down in little old New Zealand …which I just love riding …I’m 69 so do a bit of ever thing … nothing extreme for sure .. small battery only issue… motor once you get cadence in sweet spot it’s a awesome ride . I swap my ride between it and Scott Patron to give the body a rest
Thanks for sharing!
This would be a good bike for the Midwest crowd. Flattish fast flowy trails with little in the way for steepness or tech (except the man made variety).
Yes exactly! It's a rocket ship on those trails.
More travel and more torque, would make it absolutely perfect.
I had a Scott scale 930 for a few years it was freaky light and fast and so fun to ride
The Pivot SL seems to be the obvious superior option to this bike. The Fazua is a better motor, the battery lasts longer, and the bike is more capable. This bike makes the Pivot pricing seem reasonable!
I've ridden both Fazua and TQ and the Fazua is so much worse lol. Power delivery is super unnatural/jerky and it's hard to maintain a steady speed at low cadences. The shitty Fazua controller/screen don't help either. The TQ is so smooth and quiet.
@@whitest_kyle That's interesting. I found the opposite to be true. I found the Fazua to be extremely quiet and smooth on power delivery. I also found the Fazua to produce less drag, especially when pedaling over 20mph.
@@pebbleinspector 🤣 Very insightful!
Agree that the lower end models would add more versatility and capability. Case in point, Andrew Neethling (ex WC downhill racer) swapped his one’s fork to a 140mm Fox 36 and it’s one of his favourite bikes… and a lot more capable than he thought. That said, he has swapped to the new Voltage ! 😀
Just in case you think he’s not that good / capable a rider… google Darkfest 2024, although he didn’t officially compete, he did a few runs with the other riders.
The Scott lumen for an older trail rider or xc dude is a wet dream. I’m oozing right now. Lol. 💦
I assume Scott provided their top end model hoping the wow factor would catch your viewer's interest. The $16k price is a non-starter for almost everyone. Unfortunate that you didn't have a lower end model to review that was more adjustable and not as super stiff. That version may have fared a bit better even if a few pounds heavier. I like the low weight but the Lumen seems like it fits a fairly narrow niche versus most of the other bikes in this review.
Scott wasn't alone in wanting to send their top of the line model. It's a beautiful piece but we don't think the spec is so much of why we felt it wasn't right for us. It's just very much an XC bike, and we're not XC riders, and we don't know that XC types are eBike riders or want eMTBs? We think the 150 and up travel category is probably better for eMTBs, but again, sales will dictate whether or not this category grows and we could absolutely be wrong and this is exactly what a ton of people have been waiting for... We're excited to see!
@@TheLoamWolf Good points. e-XC isn't really something that I thought of as a thing but I suppose it could develop. I'm not an XC rider either. As a trail bike the Scott seems limited, which is how I was looking at it until your response clarified for me the intended e-XC niche. Really enjoy these roundup reviews!
eXC does exist it’s just that those riders buy 150mm travel bikes and ride them on XC type trails. They are a few here who do such.
Awesome cool bike lovet
Thanks! 👍
Nino laughs!! Haha! 😂
I understand the attraction of reviewing the very top of the line - mid teen thousand dollar bikes - because EVRYONE DOES IT. However, it seems as though the 2nd model up from bottom tends to be a sweet spot in these bikes. That is much more useful and the data on that category is hard to come by because VERY FEW DO IT. That's what I'd suggest you concentrate on.
We here you there, and we agree. Often times what we find is that brands want to send their top of the line bikes because of the concern that other reviewers in the past would bash a bike as not being as good as another, without the context of price. For example if a brand sends an affordable bike but 3 others send full Fox Factory XX1 Eagle bikes, reviewers without experience or reference may say the more affordable bike isn't as good, or doesn't shift as smoothly, or is lbs heavier. So, in an effort to level the field, brands probably think, "If we send the top spec, our bikes will all be similarly spec'd and have best bet at similar performance."
This is why we often do Shootouts our Group Reviews with a maximum price tag, like our Sub 2k or Sub 3k tests. We expect that as eMTB continues to grow, we'll likely ad a Sub 6k or Sub 7k eMTB Roundup to our production schedule. We'd love to see how they do! It's a challenge and opens up a lot more competition to seeing who can offer a better value to spec at those lower points!
Thanks for sharing.
Reason: they want the frame to shine, and none of the components to get in the way of the review. It seems too many forget the frame is but one aspect of the whole picture...
@@rezenclowd3 No one likes live valve, as it consistently does get in the way of the reviews, and it seems to be a common feature in this price category. Additionally, the concept of the one piece stem/bars is generally panned as a bad idea, so that also gets in the way of reviewers' impressions. Manufacturers would almost be better off if they didn't send those out for review, especially given the incredibly limited number of people who can afford to spend more money on hated features. Plus, the "bang for the buck factor" is greatly reduced on these absurdly expensive models.
This guys are like rally car drivers reviewing a GT racing car... Yeah it's fast but didn't work well on the rally course... 😂
I actually prefer reviews on higher end bikes. Critiques on brakes, low spec suspension etc. is just a waste of time since that can upgraded. I want to know how the bike overall performs, not how the individual parts perform.
Thank you for sharing and that's very valid point. Entry level bike reviews really are just good for referencing what brands offer the best value/spec for a price tag but may not be best for performance evaluation.
I see you guys doesn't know what to say about this bike... XC with motor!
With this price tag anyone could get the lightest sub 20lbs true XC bike which could fly on any trails surpassing most of local riders.
It's just shame to get XC ebike...
I stop watching when he said 16k…..I have a 10k limit.
I'm with you at 10. I had to rewind and make sure I heard 16K the first time he said it.
It's the top of the line model. There are always cheaper models...
It is crazy expensive, but they do have models that still ride well and cost much less. But thanks for sharing what your price limit is, that helps give us more info on our viewers and their interested zones.
@@_Jake.From.Statefarm_does guys all have the brain of a fly, don't even bother ;)
16 k for an e bike is nonsense.
Shame you spend 60% of the video explaining that it's not for you or your riding style. Why accept it into this comparison when it's completely not for you? Might as well add a children's bike to the mix.
Fair, but they do address who this bike would be good for and mention how fun it was on fast and flowy trails. Seems like the whole point of this series is to give an honest opinion on what bike would work for specific riders and what type of trails it excels on.
We accepted it because we are always open-minded and like trying products that are outside of our normal riding style. If we said no to things we wouldn't open ourselves to the possibilities of having our minds changed, or learning. Furthermore, we absolutely understand that the type of riding we like, and do, is not what the majority of the mountain biking public engages in. So, on top of always wanting to learn and experiment to better ourselves, we felt having this bike would be valuable for people who don't ride the way we do. Which is why we said, this bike, or its more affordable models below it, would be a great option for milder trail riders or XC-focused types.
Exactly right thank you! If we only rode the bikes we thought we'd like, then we wouldn't have our minds changed or learn new things very often...We like having open minds when it comes to experiencing new things.
How do u think they found out that the bike wasn’t for them? They took the bike and test rode it on trails.
If they didn’t accept the bike at all, how r they gonna provide an option?? They provided their honest feedback about it to better inform viewers like u and me that wouldn’t necessarily be fortunate enough to try all the amazing bikes coming out these days.
It didn’t fit their trails or riding styles, now we have one more piece of information about this bike. They did their job.
Why dont you and all the other reviewers take a stand and refuse to review these stupid expensive bikes? I refuse to buy them and thefore refuse to watch. 0 value