It’s nice and all, but what the market is really waiting for is a sub 19kg inc 500Wh+ battery, full power, good looks and sub £5k. Whoever gets there first will clean up.
The Whyte E-lyte is almost there. Just not sub £5k. 400Wh + RangeMore 250wh. 16.5KG (or 19KG, depending on the model). 600 watt motor. Just £10k plus, unfortunately.
I'd say 6.5k many would find it worthwhile to stretch the budget to. 8k up is just silly territory. 10k plus is an industry destroyer. Why, well anyone vaguely aware of the world geopolitical state knows we are going into very dicey times and a bike is just a bike, we can't lose our minds over our passion for biking, reality bites and all that.
As an ebike owner and owner of previous Carbon Mtb’s the first major issue with e-bikes is THE COST! And to be honest no mater the brand -there’s no way it justifies the price . The second major issue seems to be the price DEPRECIATION . With new models coming out fairly quickly pre owned bike prices are crashing. Third major issue is - as mentioned- not enough cross compatibility or cross upgrade ability.
Yeah agreed but as Rob said s it the price we pay for cutting edge tech I just find ways to justify it and make the most of the bike enjoy the trails, I do feel the lighter ebikes offer a more all round bike that enables you to ride it even without power or a battery 🤔😊 Arthur
I dont get it with the cost problem, a non e mt bike can cost just as much. Much cheaper workable EMTB's can be had, around 4 K or even less. If thats too much then you have to buy used. All this clap trap about silence and serenity, an e bike that isnt like an e bike, I like my 900WH full powered Canyon EMTB, it hails ass, it will go 60 miles and still have battery. A bike with out good range, or proper power, is a specialty item. The power can be used up in no time.
@@helicopter12345678 I really like my 24lb Intense Sniper, ride it a lot. But I really like my Canyon Spectral ON, I can run it in boost mode for 4 hours and still have good battery left. Its an E bike, it makes power, huge battery. Its good to have choices. Riding an EMTB with not much power or battery..............yeah it can be done. Out of the 7 guys I ride in a pack with, the guy that had the baby motor/tiny battery TREK? Gave it to his wife and bought a full power EMTB.
man I love your videos the footage is just amazing, even though I personally don't care about lightweight ebikes I still watch the full video just because those shots are so pleasing I mean is like an emtb movie, there is even a beautiful horse galloping around and animals on those hills. magnificent I was even wondering when you would release a new video.
I went from a Sworks LEVO full powered to this Mondraker Neat and I am more then happy!!..excellent choice. I was tired of the power of a full eMTB, the weight in tech tight switchbacks etc and the noise! also missed the natural feel and the effort on the climbs...and this bike nailed all of that!!!! its a beauty and so well made
@@KosmicHRTRacingTeam thats wrong. You have the same workout as with a normal bike, but you'll double the descents, which is double the fun. Sorry to point out the obvious
Hey Rob couple of years into my trek fuel EXe and totally agree with your comments, I still ride my regular analog bike as well but when it’s hot or I’m squeezing in a quick after work ride the EXe is my first choice for sure. I ride solo mostly so running in lower power modes no issues for longer rides. When riding with mates on full fat bikes I can rinse my battery super quick trying to keep up so will look at a range extender this year but can usually ride home unpowered without too many issues just slow going. When away I usually hire a full fat bike and enjoy them very much but always glad to get back on the quieter more playful machine round my home trails. Swapped out the standard fox 36 rhythm fork for Fox performance elite 38s originally ran 170 on the front but settled back on 160mm travel which appears to be the bike and myself’s sweet spot regarding steering and handling, installed better tyres as stock options were pretty easy to kill on my rocky loose trails no issues with reliability so far vey happy with the bike all round.
@@davefreeman9347 Hey Dave, definitely worth running the 160mm shock out front I’ve found the Fox 38s fair bit stiffer than 36s. I’d originally wanted to go a rock shox lyric out front but was offered the 38s for a great price. It’s probably over kill on what’s essentially a trail bike but wow the bike is a weapon now on fast technical single track and bombs down all mountain enduro stuff with a lot more poise. Rode it stock for a year to analyse its strengths and weaknesses like most fuels the rear end is very good stock and the plusher longer travel of the fork upgrade was well worth it. Upgraded the rear rim to a DT Swiss FR DH spec as killed original rim in first year of use and running DD spec side walls and insert on rear tyre lots of sharp rocks on my trails. No worries keeping up with the full fats going down just gotta battery manage chasing them up 😁👍
What is your height and weight and what size did you go with? Comparing the Mondraker sizing on the Dune and Neat to my SJ S4 Evo, it makes me thing I really need to size down to a M (like Rob did going from XL on the Dune to L on the Neat and he's 6'3" vs me 6'/183cm) as the M Neat has an identical reach and longer wheelbase than my SJ evo. I really don't like long reach bikes. Also, I'm 190 lbs so your weight would help as I've heard a Fox 38 really doesn't help much until you are well over 200 lbs, or charge really fast through gnarly terrain. We have the gnarly terrain but at 51, and 20+ broken bones, I'm not a hard charger any more. Thanks!
On full-powered I feel like I'm the understudy in the rider-bike relationship, on analog the physical stress often overshadows the fun. I got soaked into riding SL mid-assist last spring and I couldn't agree more with your review👍 5400 miles on my Trek Fuel EXe. I have 2 full-size 360Wh batteries and on long trips the spare (4lbs) gets strapped into my backpack. Range? I went 76.2 mi→ 5230 ft↑ last fall in Taos highland using ECO and a little bit of TRAIL in the steep😄
Kenevo SLhere, easy 7,500 ft of elevation if I keep to 50% or less power, with the extender. Seems Rob’s realised that full fat eebs are really mopeds 😀
Headset cable routing (someone tought that was a good idea three years ago !) and the price are the only reasons I wouldn't buy one. Lovely looking bikes.
Is it possible to power the bike with just the external battery (internal remove). Reason I ask is the external battery is within the limit of 160wh for carryon for the flight. Wish TQ start breaking there 320wh battery into 2 pieces so that we can also put in on carry-on bag in the flight.
Hey Rob, I have been looking at the KTM E-bikes such as the prowler, which have the bosch system with 750wh battery and not a bad price and not alot of reviews, if you get a opportunity it would be nice to get a review
This bike seems great. I have a full fat emtb (Nukeproof Megawatt) and I ended up losing around 13kgs last year from dieting. Now my full fat almost seems like too much power and battery for me because I keep it on eco mode when climbing. The Neat looks like it would give me just enough assist and battery while being 18 instead of 24kgs.
@@hawthornewalker4105 exactly :) we started to ride up local trails which are meant to be downhill only :D (not official one direction ones, just local "illegals" ! )
@@hawthornewalker4105 Yes, true, that is a thing you can do but I can't deny that I love the downhill way more that I do the uphill even still. The only reason I ride an emtb is so that I can do more downhill. To each their own though!
Nice review Rob, love the idea of the TQ motor, at 61 after 30+yrs of riding mtb bought a 2nd hand levo Sl this time last year. Some of my analogue mates don't get it, still call it cheating but the ability to still get a workout but ride further or faster with an Sl bike is the best of both worlds. Like the idea of the removable battery which the levo sl hasn't got. For me where money is tight a well researched low mileage 2nd hand bike is the way forward. £3.5k for my carbon sl expert + a range extender. Since up graded to GX Axs shifting, don't know how I would live without axs now. Keep up the good work. Video on buying 2nd hand maybe?
Great review! Without taking anything from the review itself, Personally I dislike the notion of ANY bike "killing" traditional MTBs. (Not that top XC are exactly traditional, but... oh, well.) Just a short list, people still lift weights, run considerable distances, climb mountains (sometimes deliberately without gear), swim, and cycle without help. Some people (and not few) still want to feel they are 100% responsible for their sporting performance. That will not change in the foreseeable future, and I'd say even hundreds of years to come (as people competed for performance for millenias). Yes, ebikes will dominate amateur enduro (people who like only the downhill) and some other areas. Yes, ebikes are a rising force in many areas. But, "indistinguishable" is far from the only factor when considering ebike vs bike. Cheers, Keep up the good work 🙂
I'm 70, living in San Diego, and have biked my whole life. Every person tells me to start with a used mtb before transitioning to emtb. There are thousands of gravel trails in the area. Suggestions?
I’m about to buy a Trek Fuel Exe with the TQ motor. But won’t be leaving it as standard. It’s good but is lacking about 200w of power. So my plan is to rip the electronics out and replace with a tuneable ESC and get around 500W from it
Hi ! I will not choose this bike because there is a Rotwild RX 375 which weighs 18.5 kg and has a full 85nm Shimano motor and an easily replaceable 360 battery. This is a bike from two worlds. You should definitely try it !
Great video as always Rob. Looking forwards to prices coming down on these as perfect set up for me but can’t justify second and car prices for my weekend hobby!
I have a Fuel EXe and use the fidlock adaptor for the RE, its a really good solution, isnt this Mondraker basically a Fuel EXe? No downside there to have some other options.
I think it’s a little illogical as you need to comment on rider weight, location, effort etc. Eg, I’m 92kg, maybe 90kg trim, or 95 fully loaded with water, clothes and a few tools. On a full fat 750wH bike on a XC trail I can climb on 60% on Eco and end up with 50% battery left on 1000m’s of climbing. If I want to do an extra ride when not 100% rested on my local punchy hills I can burn through 80% on 25km’s and 1000m of climbing. So to do something similar let’s deduct 5kg for an SL and add in a battery extender or two and your pretty close. If your bike is dialled in, has good geo to begin with you just set your sag, tyre pressure and forget the rest and you don’t really notice the weight once your rolling. For me an SL just takes the edge off an analog ride or basically Eco on a full power. I do agree it is a pedal bike with a little assist. Thoughts anyone?
Orbea Rise is 3 years old, lighter more powerful and a larger battery. Also has a range extender. The Mondraker is slacker though but I can see any additional benefit?
The carbon Rise has the same battery size (360Wh). The much heavier alloy H30 at 20.8kg has the 540Wh battery. The Orbea is still a good bike, just has the issues of the Shimano motor that all the Shimano bikes have like the rattle plus the geo is a little dated now.
@@KingLuff and with the 540Wh battery increases the weight to around 19kg for the Carbon frame bike. So still not lighter and still has the issues of the Shimano motor and dated geo.
@@KingLuff Well Vital did a test on the 360Wh carbon MyO Build and that was 17.7 kg, plus you would then add another 500g to that for the 540Wh battery and that's pretty close to 19kg, plus there's heavier builds than that.
Incredible video and that Mondraker is really a nice bike! I am now entering in the emtb world and is Nice to know about the variety of type of bikes and functions. 🤙
I saw one of these in the bike shop this past weekend. What a beautiful bike. Two problems with that one. First, it was $18k US and had to be shipped in from another state, ($18K is the problem, probably free shipping, HAHAHA). Second, it didn't run and the shop it was brought to didn't know what was wrong. The nearest shop that sold this bike was 8 hours away by car. Boutique brands are all well and good, until you need work. These bikes are getting very complicated to work on.
This is a well done ad. Much more of an obvious paid for sales pitch than usual. The music, the serenity, "serenity now!" The bike? Doesnt make enough power, doesnt come with a big enough battery, its for people that want an e bike that doesnt look like an e bike. 85NM is just about enough, I want an e bike that goes like an e bike. I really think credibility is seriously downgraded when a post becomes an ad. Money is money.
Genuine question here. I am considering getting a light weight eMTB. However, on a normal ride on a standard bike, I can climb around 1000m in 2 hours. I only ride for the downhill, so a typical ride is just ups and downs. Would this kind of ebike help at all? The range on these won't do much more than I currently ride. My main reason for getting one would be to get more laps in.
My max is similar to yours but I still ride my road Roubaix and my Sworks stumpjumper. But to keep up with my son I got a trek Fuel EXe. I didn’t want a 600w motorcycle. Nobody can even tell I have an e bike
How much did you pay the compares (deer and the horse)? I hope they got some good treats for these shots ;-) awesome bike, Mondraker just catapulted themselves up to my N°1 and 2 most wanted E-Bikes, with the Neat and the Dune
I have a Trek Fuel EXe with the same TQ motor it lets me ride like I'm in great shape when I'm not. It's awesome! 😂 Seriously though, I haven't had a bad ride on it yet. It never makes you suffer.
Looks really neat and promising I would really like to take it on a test drive as i m missing the nimble and light weight feeling of a regular Enduro bikes. The two things that are bothering me are: 1) Does it have enough power as with the normal eBikes which I have today, I'm riding very different effort level tracks (much longer and steeper). 2) Considering the above (different effort level tracks), does these bikes have enough range - what is the range ratio to a regular 750w ebikes (with the range extender of course)?
How does the assist compare to a full power when running in eco mode? I mostly ride in eco mode to get a good workout, but I have been intrigued by lightweight lower power systems.
When bikes reach this cost, you should get a range extender as part of the bike cost, also manufacturers should fit country/region specific tyres and you shouldn't need to change any parts, due them not being the very best you can get, only change should be personal preference.
Rob, truly enjoyed your review!!! As I followed you back during your Isle of Skye adventure; where did you film this with the animals running in the background? Stellar review!!!! Blue skies...
Cool video, as always! My question - is it possible to charge the battery out of the bike and is it necessary to buy an adapter (for example as it's with Shimano)? Thanks. 👍
I love how understated these look. Mondraker is always on point with aesthetics. On the opposite end of the scale, where are you at with your Haibike review?
Honestly if this was offered in a mullet setup Id def have one, as I have the superfoxy, however for my mid powered fix I purchased the Heckler SL with the Fazua, awesome bike absolutely love riding it, however after only 4 rides the motor has started making the famous fazua rattle,,,, #warranty and still waiting... On the plus side the mondraker Neat is an awesome looking machine for sure, just think that they should have a little more grunt peak 450watts. Killer footage mate.
If you're like me, short kegs and long torso, I don't like full 27.5 five but love a mixed wheel setup. 29er in the rear is absolutely miserable with rear-end buzz. Any bike that's not mix wheel counts me out.
Have you looked at the Mondraker Dune RR? I'm between the Heckler SL and the Dune RR. THe HSL looks like a blast but I think the Bosch (or this TQ) motor is more reliable than the Fazua.
Amazing review Rob, same question for you as I always ask 😂….. Is it better than the Rise ?😂 ( asking for a friend who just bought a 2023 M10 😂)!!! I also noticed that you didn’t like the Dune much . Did you prefer this bike ?
Brilliant video as always Rob, love your videos like this. I noticed that the top tube display speed and distance was in kilometres & mph, do you know if this can be changed to miles & mph?
I love E-MTBs and it puts a smile on my face whenever I see a fellow cyclist riding one.. That said though, unless you're rich, I don't really recommend E-Bikes because of inability to upgrade and service.. The fact that it has a motor with moving gears means that it has to be serviced/maintained every now and then, and most LBS don't have the tools nor the expertise to perform such maintenance or God forbid something breaks.. After two years when a new model comes out that makes you current E-Bike obsolete, good luck finding parts for it.. For people who want to dip their toes on E-MTBs but want to make a safer purchase.. I recommend them to either buy an E-MTB with a Bafang Motor or buy a normal MTB and have it converted..
Looked up some stats on the Neat R-the “more affordable” $7,999 one. It’s 41.7 lbs. But it doesn’t say what size- M or L? Be good to know, bc that makes a difference. Has a Fox 36 and Exo + casing tires and 200 mm rotors instead of a 38 and DD tires and 220 mm rotors that my full power emtb has. And having destroyed two tires this past year just demoing these bikes for an hour, and seeing how much I burn the brakes on mine bc of how fast I’m going, I really think those things are helpful. 36 vs 38- goes to riding style- you def will want to be able to pick your lines and flick the bike more because you’ll want a 38 if you are smashing the way emtbs allow you to. Make those changes and now add the battery extender- you’re close to 50 lbs. Not much below some full power ones. My Large Oso is 53 lbs. And after really being intrigued by this category of bike, but doing the research and finding out these things, and then realizing how I like to ride emtbs (see my other comment) I really don’t understand the point of these. Not yet. They’re not quite light enough yet to fulfill their promises. With one exception- the ones that allow you take out the battery and ride without it. Because the almost zero drag motors are a game changer when riding sans power. To me, that would be my use case for these bikes- one bike I can have to take places and ride it with or without the battery.
I don't have any actual data, but heard some complaints from another youtuber that his friend is already on his 4th or 5th motor and this system isn't out there for a long time, which doesn't sound very appealing. Also another youtuber named "julz nz" claims to be on his third motor already, but his videos are one year old, I don't know if the problems have gone since then or if he has sold his bike due to the problems. Probably also a lot of happy users out there, maybe they have fixed the flaws from the very first generation, I don't have any deep insight, but these reports are a bit discouraging if you consider to spend 8k+ on a bike. Anyhow, at least TQ seemed to be very accommodating in replacing these motors quickly in case of failures. But also the range seems to be relatively disappointing in comparison to other systems (fazua,bosch sx). I would also be interested in buying a light weight e-mtb, but none of the system at the moment is "perfect" and I don't want to make compromises, if I am paying so much money (fazua ugly display/remote, tq disappointing range and maybe unreliable, bosch sx too bulky for a light assist motor and range also not very convincing), so I've decided to wait for the next generation and keep my current full power ebike
The visual was outstanding for the video, Ill comment this, as with 29s its never a bad idea to put bigger tyres on an off road vehicle also lighter mountain bikes the same applying to. sound and waight .My off road 4x4 and dual sport nde desert dirt bikes take extra gas .Il take TWO extra batteries .
My hope is that the over saturation of manufacturers and the difficulties they now face, will result in mergers and acquisitions that will create unbelievably well spec'd bikes. Instead of that horrible choice between different tech platforms, buyers can choose to purchase a bike with both. The sales would sky rocket due to demand for such a desirable bike and consequently a lower RRP and both manufacturers would likely survive the industries current level of insolvencies. A win win as they say
When I was shopping for Levo I thought the lightweight SL emtb’s were silly. Now that I own a Levo and never take it out of Eco, I am way more open to the 50-60 nm class, especially if you can drop 10-15 pounds off the weight.
I'd love an ebike, they are so much fun to ride. Whats keeping me away right now is how difficult it'll be to buy replacement motors and batteries in 5 years time. Knowing these carbon frames will all end up in a landfill seems so wasteful, whereas my regular bike I can keep on going for many more years - provided my knee's can. I really want an ebike, but as things are, I just can't.
Been waiting for this one. Looks great and would suit my needs. Hard to justify the price rn though when most fuel exes seem to be 25 - 30% off. Will it bikepark do you think?
I agree with a 450wh battery taking into account that 50Nm is good enough to climb faster and wont use as much battery as a full power heavy bike, would be compatible with a 650wh battery on a full power. I have my 2021 trek rail which im extremely happy with still, however im waiting for something that really call my attention on the Light weight category.
Great review absolutely spot on Rob about these SL bikes I have the Trek Fuel exe which as you know has the same motor system it’s great for those power hours as I can go at least a third further than I normally would, but I’ve ridden the 40km rides with 900 meters of climbing and I know I’ve had a great workout but I don’t feel beaten up by the trail and bike and done for the day, I can get out and enjoy the rest of the day with the family etc
Lovely video, Rob, where was it shot? On the bike itself - manufacturers need to remember we're not all millionaires. Every car I've owned (prior to my current one) cost less than £5k, and there's just no way I'm going to spend more than that on a bike. Ever. Now, OK, my cars were all 2nd hand, but a car = 2,000 kg of steel and technology, whereas a bike = just 20kg of steel and technology. There's no way a bike should cost more than my car. Ever. £10k for a bike is just ridiculous.
What did you end up doing? I'm 183 cm and am thinking of downsizing to a M because all the geo data of the M is closer or more than my S4 Stumpjumper evo which already feels a little big. I think the L would be too big for me as I noticed Rob sized down from XL to L and he's 6'3".
I stayed with the Large and its perfect. An M maybe would habe been more nimble or playful but for my style of ride and steep fast descents here the Large one feels so stable and able to tackle everyhing. Also on the steep ascents i think this size its better for staying planted
I love the look of this bike but in reality I don’t think I could go from a 600 watt, 750 Wh Mondraker Crafty to a bike that has half the power and battery. I mean I’m sure I would get used to it and I’d probably get fitter but I’d be going a lot slower up the climbs which is part of the reason why I love my ebike and also my GF has a full power ebike so she would just be waiting for me all the time. I think I’ll stick with the full power bikes but I hope that the batteries will get lighter soon and I also hope that Mondraker start selling XL Mondraker Crafty Carbon in NZ because currently they only sell the carbon bikes in M/L size which means I’m stuck with alloy. Not that there’s anything wrong with alloy but carbon is just so nice.
Cheers Rob , good article. What a really interesting bike. I like the idea of it. The advantage of pedalling over the limiter and not noticing any drag is good. Would I buy one . Not at that price.
Very well done as always Rob!! Sure an interesting bike, and it look good ;) I am still debating what size of e-bike to get when it will come to that moment .. Right now I am leaning more towards lighter models.
Well I like the attempt & the evolution 4 lighter bikes. However for 13.2 pounds i’ll take the full⚡️ because range isn’t as important as hill climbing ease. I’m interested in more torque like 75 Nm is a decent compromise
Excellent video as always. I find it. Curious, you didn’t mention the price only that it was expensive. Mondraker really needs to take a look at their pricing because it is expensive. My Crafty RR carbon is a nice bike, but much more of a trail geometry. Actually thinking of putting another degree of slack with offset headset
The price of the Neat is the only reason I wouldn't buy it. 10k+ for the top model, you could buy a well spec'd Crafty RR.. and an anologue Foxy R for that money.. giving you best of both worlds, without the faff of carrying spare batteries for epic long rides. I will say it's a beautiful bike though.. and will sppeal to many 👍. Great vid 👍
👍A real nice bike😄 I realy like my own build Specialized levo SL 35Nm with 170mm Fox Factory fork and everything in carbon so i build one extra bike. So much joy with a light weight Emtb and I have 3 pcs range extender that I never used yet😂
Not sure I get purpose of the range expanders. If you are going to carry all that weight in weird places why not just get a full power ebike? I understand the idea behind the lightweight bikes, there is definitely a market for it, but why try to make it something its not. I love my full power bike. Sure it's heavy but its designed to carry it well. If I want the lightweight experience I will ride my acoustic bike.
It’s nice and all, but what the market is really waiting for is a sub 19kg inc 500Wh+ battery, full power, good looks and sub £5k. Whoever gets there first will clean up.
Not likely to happen. Batteries, motors and frames are not getting much lighter than they already are.
The Whyte E-lyte is almost there. Just not sub £5k. 400Wh + RangeMore 250wh. 16.5KG (or 19KG, depending on the model). 600 watt motor. Just £10k plus, unfortunately.
I'd say 6.5k many would find it worthwhile to stretch the budget to. 8k up is just silly territory. 10k plus is an industry destroyer. Why, well anyone vaguely aware of the world geopolitical state knows we are going into very dicey times and a bike is just a bike, we can't lose our minds over our passion for biking, reality bites and all that.
In my view what “the market “ wants is much better motor reliability and waterproofing………..yes I and my wife have had too many such issues. 😬😕
@@marauder7412 you’d be mad to bet against it. Just look at the speed of technological advancement and innovation. 3 years I’d say.
As an ebike owner and owner of previous Carbon Mtb’s the first major issue with e-bikes is THE COST! And to be honest no mater the brand -there’s no way it justifies the price .
The second major issue seems to be the price DEPRECIATION . With new models coming out fairly quickly pre owned bike prices are crashing. Third major issue is - as mentioned- not enough cross compatibility or cross upgrade ability.
That’s the trade off for access to cutting edge tech. Especially a tech that’s in its infancy stage of development
Yeah agreed but as Rob said s it the price we pay for cutting edge tech I just find ways to justify it and make the most of the bike enjoy the trails, I do feel the lighter ebikes offer a more all round bike that enables you to ride it even without power or a battery 🤔😊
Arthur
Crestline is only $12k retail
I dont get it with the cost problem, a non e mt bike can cost just as much.
Much cheaper workable EMTB's can be had, around 4 K or even less. If thats too much then you have to buy used.
All this clap trap about silence and serenity, an e bike that isnt like an e bike, I like my 900WH full powered Canyon EMTB, it hails ass, it will go 60 miles and still have battery.
A bike with out good range, or proper power, is a specialty item. The power can be used up in no time.
@@helicopter12345678 I really like my 24lb Intense Sniper, ride it a lot.
But I really like my Canyon Spectral ON, I can run it in boost mode for 4 hours and still have good battery left.
Its an E bike, it makes power, huge battery.
Its good to have choices. Riding an EMTB with not much power or battery..............yeah it can be done.
Out of the 7 guys I ride in a pack with, the guy that had the baby motor/tiny battery TREK? Gave it to his wife and bought a full power EMTB.
Bro went from reviewing bikes to producing cinema masterpiece. Sound Effects, image quality and edit is 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Paid for video. Film crew. Nonetheless, lovely job.
Cinematic masterpiece as always Rob 🤌🏻
Deer, ponies and ebikes in a drone shot! What more can I say...Bravo.
Those horses from the background are just...... Amazing 👍
man I love your videos the footage is just amazing, even though I personally don't care about lightweight ebikes I still watch the full video just because those shots are so pleasing I mean is like an emtb movie, there is even a beautiful horse galloping around and animals on those hills. magnificent I was even wondering when you would release a new video.
I went from a Sworks LEVO full powered to this Mondraker Neat and I am more then happy!!..excellent choice. I was tired of the power of a full eMTB, the weight in tech tight switchbacks etc and the noise! also missed the natural feel and the effort on the climbs...and this bike nailed all of that!!!! its a beauty and so well made
I agree. I have the fuel EXe with the same TQ system. I didn’t want a motorcycle I still wanted to work like when I road my Sworks stump jumper
@@jimsteinway695if you really wanted to “work” like that, you wouldn’t be riding any form of ebike. Sorry to point out the obvious.
There are adjustments on your old Levo that dictate power, it doesn’t always have to be in “full power” mode.
@@KosmicHRTRacingTeam thats wrong. You have the same workout as with a normal bike, but you'll double the descents, which is double the fun. Sorry to point out the obvious
@@Manu_Air228its completely imposible to get the same workout as in an analog bike. Its Just a lie that you tell yourself
Some great camera work Rob, looks an interesting bike.
Hey Rob couple of years into my trek fuel EXe and totally agree with your comments, I still ride my regular analog bike as well but when it’s hot or I’m squeezing in a quick after work ride the EXe is my first choice for sure. I ride solo mostly so running in lower power modes no issues for longer rides. When riding with mates on full fat bikes I can rinse my battery super quick trying to keep up so will look at a range extender this year but can usually ride home unpowered without too many issues just slow going.
When away I usually hire a full fat bike and enjoy them very much but always glad to get back on the quieter more playful machine round my home trails. Swapped out the standard fox 36 rhythm fork for Fox performance elite 38s originally ran 170 on the front but settled back on 160mm travel which appears to be the bike and myself’s sweet spot regarding steering and handling, installed better tyres as stock options were pretty easy to kill on my rocky loose trails no issues with reliability so far vey happy with the bike all round.
Interesting what you have done with your bike, I’ve had my Trek exe for a few months now love it 👌
@@davefreeman9347 Hey Dave, definitely worth running the 160mm shock out front I’ve found the Fox 38s fair bit stiffer than 36s.
I’d originally wanted to go a rock shox lyric out front but was offered the 38s for a great price. It’s probably over kill on what’s essentially a trail bike but wow the bike is a weapon now on fast technical single track and bombs down all mountain enduro stuff with a lot more poise.
Rode it stock for a year to analyse its strengths and weaknesses like most fuels the rear end is very good stock and the plusher longer travel of the fork upgrade was well worth it. Upgraded the rear rim to a DT Swiss FR DH spec as killed original rim in first year of use and running DD spec side walls and insert on rear tyre lots of sharp rocks on my trails. No worries keeping up with the full fats going down just gotta battery manage chasing them up 😁👍
Which tires, may I ask?
Great comments!
@@rohankilby4499 that’s great to hear definitely given me sometimes think about 👍 I’ve already upgraded the wheels as stock were terrible
What is your height and weight and what size did you go with? Comparing the Mondraker sizing on the Dune and Neat to my SJ S4 Evo, it makes me thing I really need to size down to a M (like Rob did going from XL on the Dune to L on the Neat and he's 6'3" vs me 6'/183cm) as the M Neat has an identical reach and longer wheelbase than my SJ evo. I really don't like long reach bikes.
Also, I'm 190 lbs so your weight would help as I've heard a Fox 38 really doesn't help much until you are well over 200 lbs, or charge really fast through gnarly terrain. We have the gnarly terrain but at 51, and 20+ broken bones, I'm not a hard charger any more. Thanks!
On full-powered I feel like I'm the understudy in the rider-bike relationship, on analog the physical stress often overshadows the fun. I got soaked into riding SL mid-assist last spring and I couldn't agree more with your review👍 5400 miles on my Trek Fuel EXe. I have 2 full-size 360Wh batteries and on long trips the spare (4lbs) gets strapped into my backpack. Range? I went 76.2 mi→ 5230 ft↑ last fall in Taos highland using ECO and a little bit of TRAIL in the steep😄
was the 76.2 miles using both batteries? I just purchased the exe 9.7 and wondering about a battery or extender?
@@JosephFlood-x8g Yes, both batteries used of course. Batteries down to 0% and 3%.
And what's your weight, bro?
@@829250 5'10", 154 lbs, recreational runner and mountain biker. Not much power in upper body but legs are ok😀
Kenevo SLhere, easy 7,500 ft of elevation if I keep to 50% or less power, with the extender.
Seems Rob’s realised that full fat eebs are really mopeds 😀
Nice review Rob, lovely cinematography
It’s videography. Cinematography is not the same
I believe the transition relay (also an ebike) is available in a spec that is about 18 kilos (39-40 lbs) also.
The price for this bike is $21K AUD. who in their right mind would pay that!
A holes
@@brendansherlock6442fat dentists. 😂😂😂
Less e-bike for more money. If it was an electric car it would be the cheaper model because it doesn’t go as far and takes longer to get there.
Headset cable routing (someone tought that was a good idea three years ago !) and the price are the only reasons I wouldn't buy one. Lovely looking bikes.
Really nice video Rob. The scenery is just amazing! Just one question. Can you compare the Mondraker to the Levo SL or the Kenevo SL?
Is it possible to power the bike with just the external battery (internal remove). Reason I ask is the external battery is within the limit of 160wh for carryon for the flight. Wish TQ start breaking there 320wh battery into 2 pieces so that we can also put in on carry-on bag in the flight.
Sorry Rob ....
2021 Orbea Rise M ltd -series 15.9 kg.....
60 Nm....
Great bike, But not nearly as silent 😊
This is your nicest production yet! I had to check a few times to see if that herd of deer were digital!lol
Haha, good to see someone is doing due diligence!
Hey Rob, I have been looking at the KTM E-bikes such as the prowler, which have the bosch system with 750wh battery and not a bad price and not alot of reviews, if you get a opportunity it would be nice to get a review
This bike seems great. I have a full fat emtb (Nukeproof Megawatt) and I ended up losing around 13kgs last year from dieting. Now my full fat almost seems like too much power and battery for me because I keep it on eco mode when climbing. The Neat looks like it would give me just enough assist and battery while being 18 instead of 24kgs.
You're missing a trick.
Ride your full fat like a enduro Mx bike.
Incorporate super tech, steep as fuck climbs into your rides!
@@hawthornewalker4105 exactly :) we started to ride up local trails which are meant to be downhill only :D (not official one direction ones, just local "illegals" ! )
@@hawthornewalker4105 Yes, true, that is a thing you can do but I can't deny that I love the downhill way more that I do the uphill even still. The only reason I ride an emtb is so that I can do more downhill. To each their own though!
Nice review Rob, love the idea of the TQ motor, at 61 after 30+yrs of riding mtb bought a 2nd hand levo Sl this time last year. Some of my analogue mates don't get it, still call it cheating but the ability to still get a workout but ride further or faster with an Sl bike is the best of both worlds. Like the idea of the removable battery which the levo sl hasn't got. For me where money is tight a well researched low mileage 2nd hand bike is the way forward. £3.5k for my carbon sl expert + a range extender. Since up graded to GX Axs shifting, don't know how I would live without axs now. Keep up the good work. Video on buying 2nd hand maybe?
Simply an epic review Rob!
Wow! Very nice filming
Looks great but tbh when you can still get a levo with 700WH and 90NM for 22kg it just doesn’t make any sense to buy this IMO
Great review!
Without taking anything from the review itself,
Personally I dislike the notion of ANY bike "killing" traditional MTBs. (Not that top XC are exactly traditional, but... oh, well.)
Just a short list, people still lift weights, run considerable distances, climb mountains (sometimes deliberately without gear), swim, and cycle without help.
Some people (and not few) still want to feel they are 100% responsible for their sporting performance. That will not change in the foreseeable future, and I'd say even hundreds of years to come (as people competed for performance for millenias).
Yes, ebikes will dominate amateur enduro (people who like only the downhill) and some other areas.
Yes, ebikes are a rising force in many areas.
But, "indistinguishable" is far from the only factor when considering ebike vs bike.
Cheers,
Keep up the good work 🙂
I'm 70, living in San Diego, and have biked my whole life. Every person tells me to start with a used mtb before transitioning to emtb. There are thousands of gravel trails in the area. Suggestions?
I’m about to buy a Trek Fuel Exe with the TQ motor. But won’t be leaving it as standard. It’s good but is lacking about 200w of power. So my plan is to rip the electronics out and replace with a tuneable ESC and get around 500W from it
My Pivot Shuttle SL is a bit lighter and stronger. I usually just ride it on the lowest setting. I find it enough and it truly rocks
Hi ! I will not choose this bike because there is a Rotwild RX 375 which weighs 18.5 kg and has a full 85nm Shimano motor and an easily replaceable 360 battery. This is a bike from two worlds. You should definitely try it !
Great video as always Rob. Looking forwards to prices coming down on these as perfect set up for me but can’t justify second and car prices for my weekend hobby!
I have a Fuel EXe and use the fidlock adaptor for the RE, its a really good solution, isnt this Mondraker basically a Fuel EXe? No downside there to have some other options.
I think it’s a little illogical as you need to comment on rider weight, location, effort etc. Eg, I’m 92kg, maybe 90kg trim, or 95 fully loaded with water, clothes and a few tools. On a full fat 750wH bike on a XC trail I can climb on 60% on Eco and end up with 50% battery left on 1000m’s of climbing. If I want to do an extra ride when not 100% rested on my local punchy hills I can burn through 80% on 25km’s and 1000m of climbing. So to do something similar let’s deduct 5kg for an SL and add in a battery extender or two and your pretty close. If your bike is dialled in, has good geo to begin with you just set your sag, tyre pressure and forget the rest and you don’t really notice the weight once your rolling. For me an SL just takes the edge off an analog ride or basically Eco on a full power. I do agree it is a pedal bike with a little assist. Thoughts anyone?
Orbea Rise is 3 years old, lighter more powerful and a larger battery. Also has a range extender. The Mondraker is slacker though but I can see any additional benefit?
The carbon Rise has the same battery size (360Wh). The much heavier alloy H30 at 20.8kg has the 540Wh battery. The Orbea is still a good bike, just has the issues of the Shimano motor that all the Shimano bikes have like the rattle plus the geo is a little dated now.
Wrong, the carbon Rise now comes with a 540wh battery
@@KingLuff and with the 540Wh battery increases the weight to around 19kg for the Carbon frame bike. So still not lighter and still has the issues of the Shimano motor and dated geo.
Wrong again 😂
@@KingLuff Well Vital did a test on the 360Wh carbon MyO Build and that was 17.7 kg, plus you would then add another 500g to that for the 540Wh battery and that's pretty close to 19kg, plus there's heavier builds than that.
Watching your videos feels like watching a movie. Amazing quality
Another perfect presentation, magnificent shots and edit!
Incredible video and that Mondraker is really a nice bike! I am now entering in the emtb world and is Nice to know about the variety of type of bikes and functions. 🤙
Hiring wild horses to be in your video... You really outdid yourself!
Great vid looks like my backyard the Quantocs , since riding e-bike I have explored more in 5 years than I did 20 years on analogue😀
Came here to say the same. Awesome XC, and Triscombe.
Great video and the quality of cinematography was awesome!
You can get the Trek fuel exe 9.5 in the uk from various places on sale for £3899 carbon frame same motor lower spec components now that’s a deal
I saw one of these in the bike shop this past weekend. What a beautiful bike. Two problems with that one. First, it was $18k US and had to be shipped in from another state, ($18K is the problem, probably free shipping, HAHAHA). Second, it didn't run and the shop it was brought to didn't know what was wrong. The nearest shop that sold this bike was 8 hours away by car. Boutique brands are all well and good, until you need work. These bikes are getting very complicated to work on.
This is a well done ad. Much more of an obvious paid for sales pitch than usual.
The music, the serenity, "serenity now!" The bike? Doesnt make enough power, doesnt come with a big enough battery, its for people that want an e bike that doesnt look like an e bike. 85NM is just about enough, I want an e bike that goes like an e bike.
I really think credibility is seriously downgraded when a post becomes an ad. Money is money.
Great shots with the deers and horse in the background!
Genuine question here. I am considering getting a light weight eMTB. However, on a normal ride on a standard bike, I can climb around 1000m in 2 hours. I only ride for the downhill, so a typical ride is just ups and downs. Would this kind of ebike help at all? The range on these won't do much more than I currently ride. My main reason for getting one would be to get more laps in.
Amazing love it but these days my Max bpm is 155 I'll stay with my 640w 80nm always enjoy your shows Rob 🙏🇦🇺
My max is similar to yours but I still ride my road Roubaix and my Sworks stumpjumper. But to keep up with my son I got a trek Fuel EXe. I didn’t want a 600w motorcycle. Nobody can even tell I have an e bike
Would love this alongside my full-fat eebs and normal bike -Also ace camera work in these lastest vids man.
How much did you pay the compares (deer and the horse)? I hope they got some good treats for these shots ;-)
awesome bike, Mondraker just catapulted themselves up to my N°1 and 2 most wanted E-Bikes, with the Neat and the Dune
I have a Trek Fuel EXe with the same TQ motor it lets me ride like I'm in great shape when I'm not. It's awesome! 😂 Seriously though, I haven't had a bad ride on it yet. It never makes you suffer.
Looks really neat and promising I would really like to take it on a test drive as i m missing the nimble and light weight feeling of a regular Enduro bikes.
The two things that are bothering me are: 1) Does it have enough power as with the normal eBikes which I have today, I'm riding very different effort level tracks (much longer and steeper).
2) Considering the above (different effort level tracks), does these bikes have enough range - what is the range ratio to a regular 750w ebikes (with the range extender of course)?
Hey rob… just bought a trek slash 2024 what’s your thoughts on them please 😊
Eagerly waiting for you Mondraker Dune full review.
How does the assist compare to a full power when running in eco mode? I mostly ride in eco mode to get a good workout, but I have been intrigued by lightweight lower power systems.
When bikes reach this cost, you should get a range extender as part of the bike cost, also manufacturers should fit country/region specific tyres and you shouldn't need to change any parts, due them not being the very best you can get, only change should be personal preference.
Great video. How far away is re gen. ??
Nice Video, beatiful landscape!
It's funny how the concept of lightweight has changed so much in recent years. Just to be clear: 19kg for a bike is not light.
@RobRidesEMTB - given the choice 1) The Neat, 2) Carbon Crafty or 3) The Crusher?
Rob, truly enjoyed your review!!! As I followed you back during your Isle of Skye adventure; where did you film this with the animals running in the background? Stellar review!!!! Blue skies...
great video. Whereabouts is this filmed ? it looks amazing
Cool video, as always!
My question - is it possible to charge the battery out of the bike and is it necessary to buy an adapter (for example as it's with Shimano)?
Thanks. 👍
Hi - thanks! Yes, battery is removable and can be charged off the bike - no adapter required as far as I can remember
I love how understated these look. Mondraker is always on point with aesthetics.
On the opposite end of the scale, where are you at with your Haibike review?
Honestly if this was offered in a mullet setup Id def have one, as I have the superfoxy, however for my mid powered fix I purchased the Heckler SL with the Fazua, awesome bike absolutely love riding it, however after only 4 rides the motor has started making the famous fazua rattle,,,, #warranty and still waiting...
On the plus side the mondraker Neat is an awesome looking machine for sure, just think that they should have a little more grunt peak 450watts.
Killer footage mate.
If you're like me, short kegs and long torso, I don't like full 27.5 five but love a mixed wheel setup. 29er in the rear is absolutely miserable with rear-end buzz. Any bike that's not mix wheel counts me out.
Have you looked at the Mondraker Dune RR? I'm between the Heckler SL and the Dune RR. THe HSL looks like a blast but I think the Bosch (or this TQ) motor is more reliable than the Fazua.
What’s the range with range extenders on soft trails climbing?
Hey Rob, which drone are you using in this video? Looks great and tracking really well!
Amazing review Rob, same question for you as I always ask 😂….. Is it better than the Rise ?😂 ( asking for a friend who just bought a 2023 M10 😂)!!! I also noticed that you didn’t like the Dune much . Did you prefer this bike ?
Thanks for a nice review Rob! Very interesting, think I'll keep my high powered e-mtb for now but I might go lightweight eventually. 👍
another great review! i bought my wild because your great video of it. What handle bar is on that bike?
thanks
Nice video! I would like to know more about the TQ App. It’s possible to record the ride? What data?? Watts…? Just to use it with trainingpeaks
Hi Alex - stay tuned more more deep dive on TQ soon. I use training peaks / Garmin etc also, so will share how it can all work.
Brilliant video as always Rob, love your videos like this. I noticed that the top tube display speed and distance was in kilometres & mph, do you know if this can be changed to miles & mph?
Hi, sure yes it can be changed, in the TQ app (as well as other things like motor power in the various modes, etc)
looks amazing, where was this filmed? would love to visit....
I love E-MTBs and it puts a smile on my face whenever I see a fellow cyclist riding one.. That said though, unless you're rich, I don't really recommend E-Bikes because of inability to upgrade and service.. The fact that it has a motor with moving gears means that it has to be serviced/maintained every now and then, and most LBS don't have the tools nor the expertise to perform such maintenance or God forbid something breaks.. After two years when a new model comes out that makes you current E-Bike obsolete, good luck finding parts for it..
For people who want to dip their toes on E-MTBs but want to make a safer purchase.. I recommend them to either buy an E-MTB with a Bafang Motor or buy a normal MTB and have it converted..
Looked up some stats on the Neat R-the “more affordable” $7,999 one. It’s 41.7 lbs. But it doesn’t say what size- M or L? Be good to know, bc that makes a difference. Has a Fox 36 and Exo + casing tires and 200 mm rotors instead of a 38 and DD tires and 220 mm rotors that my full power emtb has. And having destroyed two tires this past year just demoing these bikes for an hour, and seeing how much I burn the brakes on mine bc of how fast I’m going, I really think those things are helpful. 36 vs 38- goes to riding style- you def will want to be able to pick your lines and flick the bike more because you’ll want a 38 if you are smashing the way emtbs allow you to. Make those changes and now add the battery extender- you’re close to 50 lbs. Not much below some full power ones. My Large Oso is 53 lbs. And after really being intrigued by this category of bike, but doing the research and finding out these things, and then realizing how I like to ride emtbs (see my other comment) I really don’t understand the point of these. Not yet. They’re not quite light enough yet to fulfill their promises. With one exception- the ones that allow you take out the battery and ride without it. Because the almost zero drag motors are a game changer when riding sans power. To me, that would be my use case for these bikes- one bike I can have to take places and ride it with or without the battery.
Is there any data on the reliability, maintenance, repairs of the TQ motor?
I don't have any actual data, but heard some complaints from another youtuber that his friend is already on his 4th or 5th motor and this system isn't out there for a long time, which doesn't sound very appealing. Also another youtuber named "julz nz" claims to be on his third motor already, but his videos are one year old, I don't know if the problems have gone since then or if he has sold his bike due to the problems. Probably also a lot of happy users out there, maybe they have fixed the flaws from the very first generation, I don't have any deep insight, but these reports are a bit discouraging if you consider to spend 8k+ on a bike. Anyhow, at least TQ seemed to be very accommodating in replacing these motors quickly in case of failures.
But also the range seems to be relatively disappointing in comparison to other systems (fazua,bosch sx). I would also be interested in buying a light weight e-mtb, but none of the system at the moment is "perfect" and I don't want to make compromises, if I am paying so much money (fazua ugly display/remote, tq disappointing range and maybe unreliable, bosch sx too bulky for a light assist motor and range also not very convincing), so I've decided to wait for the next generation and keep my current full power ebike
Nice, but can you test ride the haibike nduro 8 freeride you looked at a couple of weeks ago please ?
The visual was outstanding for the video, Ill comment this, as with 29s its never a bad idea to put bigger tyres on an off road vehicle also lighter mountain bikes the same applying to. sound and waight .My off road 4x4 and dual sport nde desert dirt bikes take extra gas .Il take TWO extra batteries .
My hope is that the over saturation of manufacturers and the difficulties they now face, will result in mergers and acquisitions that will create unbelievably well spec'd bikes. Instead of that horrible choice between different tech platforms, buyers can choose to purchase a bike with both. The sales would sky rocket due to demand for such a desirable bike and consequently a lower RRP and both manufacturers would likely survive the industries current level of insolvencies. A win win as they say
Lack of competition usually means manufacturers control the price, spec and quality...not usually in favour of the buyer!
wildlife shots here are something else. well done
When I was shopping for Levo I thought the lightweight SL emtb’s were silly. Now that I own a Levo and never take it out of Eco, I am way more open to the 50-60 nm class, especially if you can drop 10-15 pounds off the weight.
Curious why you didn’t mention the Fuel Exe once? Is this better?
I love my kenevo sl , love the light weight and getting more exercise. Will never go back to 25kg lump.
Great review! Could you please also test Scott Lumen?
I'd love an ebike, they are so much fun to ride. Whats keeping me away right now is how difficult it'll be to buy replacement motors and batteries in 5 years time. Knowing these carbon frames will all end up in a landfill seems so wasteful, whereas my regular bike I can keep on going for many more years - provided my knee's can. I really want an ebike, but as things are, I just can't.
Been waiting for this one. Looks great and would suit my needs. Hard to justify the price rn though when most fuel exes seem to be 25 - 30% off.
Will it bikepark do you think?
I'm totally not interested in (can't afford) this bike, but man, the shot that starts at about 4:28 is sooo good.
I agree with a 450wh battery taking into account that 50Nm is good enough to climb faster and wont use as much battery as a full power heavy bike, would be compatible with a 650wh battery on a full power. I have my 2021 trek rail which im extremely happy with still, however im waiting for something that really call my attention on the Light weight category.
This or a Specialized Levo SL gen 2? Very similar numbers.
Nice review. I just ordered the Specialized Levo SL Expert Carbon... Makes me think "did I make the right choice?". Also nice drone-shots, Rob!
Dont you worry, youre going to love the SL!
@@brianblessedsbeard thanks 🙏
Great review absolutely spot on Rob about these SL bikes I have the Trek Fuel exe which as you know has the same motor system it’s great for those power hours as I can go at least a third further than I normally would, but I’ve ridden the 40km rides with 900 meters of climbing and I know I’ve had a great workout but I don’t feel beaten up by the trail and bike and done for the day, I can get out and enjoy the rest of the day with the family etc
Lovely video, Rob, where was it shot?
On the bike itself - manufacturers need to remember we're not all millionaires. Every car I've owned (prior to my current one) cost less than £5k, and there's just no way I'm going to spend more than that on a bike. Ever. Now, OK, my cars were all 2nd hand, but a car = 2,000 kg of steel and technology, whereas a bike = just 20kg of steel and technology. There's no way a bike should cost more than my car. Ever. £10k for a bike is just ridiculous.
i am 1.78 mts height...i ordered a Medium but by mistake a Large was sent...but i think it feel its fine. Should i return it or keep it?
What did you end up doing? I'm 183 cm and am thinking of downsizing to a M because all the geo data of the M is closer or more than my S4 Stumpjumper evo which already feels a little big. I think the L would be too big for me as I noticed Rob sized down from XL to L and he's 6'3".
I stayed with the Large and its perfect. An M maybe would habe been more nimble or playful but for my style of ride and steep fast descents here the Large one feels so stable and able to tackle everyhing. Also on the steep ascents i think this size its better for staying planted
@@danehauser8675large would be perfect for you. At 1.83 i thinks M its small for you
I’d like to see a comparison Mondraker Neat vs the Whyte E-Lyte.
I love the look of this bike but in reality I don’t think I could go from a 600 watt, 750 Wh Mondraker Crafty to a bike that has half the power and battery. I mean I’m sure I would get used to it and I’d probably get fitter but I’d be going a lot slower up the climbs which is part of the reason why I love my ebike and also my GF has a full power ebike so she would just be waiting for me all the time. I think I’ll stick with the full power bikes but I hope that the batteries will get lighter soon and I also hope that Mondraker start selling XL Mondraker Crafty Carbon in NZ because currently they only sell the carbon bikes in M/L size which means I’m stuck with alloy. Not that there’s anything wrong with alloy but carbon is just so nice.
Cheers Rob , good article.
What a really interesting bike. I like the idea of it.
The advantage of pedalling over the limiter and not noticing any drag is good.
Would I buy one . Not at that price.
Very well done as always Rob!! Sure an interesting bike, and it look good ;) I am still debating what size of e-bike to get when it will come to that moment .. Right now I am leaning more towards lighter models.
Is that right size bike for you? It looked small.
Well I like the attempt & the evolution 4 lighter bikes. However for 13.2 pounds i’ll take the full⚡️ because range isn’t as important as hill climbing ease. I’m interested in more torque like 75 Nm is a decent compromise
Excellent video as always. I find it. Curious, you didn’t mention the price only that it was expensive. Mondraker really needs to take a look at their pricing because it is expensive.
My Crafty RR carbon is a nice bike, but much more of a trail geometry. Actually thinking of putting another degree of slack with offset headset
The price of the Neat is the only reason I wouldn't buy it. 10k+ for the top model, you could buy a well spec'd Crafty RR.. and an anologue Foxy R for that money.. giving you best of both worlds, without the faff of carrying spare batteries for epic long rides. I will say it's a beautiful bike though.. and will sppeal to many 👍. Great vid 👍
👍A real nice bike😄
I realy like my own build Specialized levo SL 35Nm with 170mm Fox Factory fork and everything in carbon so i build one extra bike. So much joy with a light weight Emtb and I have 3 pcs range extender that I never used yet😂
Not sure I get purpose of the range expanders. If you are going to carry all that weight in weird places why not just get a full power ebike?
I understand the idea behind the lightweight bikes, there is definitely a market for it, but why try to make it something its not. I love my full power bike. Sure it's heavy but its designed to carry it well. If I want the lightweight experience I will ride my acoustic bike.
It's that the majority of the time you don't carry the range extender. Just on really big rides.