This eBike Means The Death of Traditional MTBs?
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- Опубліковано 2 жов 2024
- Mondraker Neat is virtually indistinguishable from a regular mountain bike, and provides 300 watts of motor power, with 50Nm of torque, and a removable 360Wh battery.
Check more on the bike here: bit.ly/3OjK2Ql
ETHICS, DISCLAIMER and TRANSPARENCY: Mondraker hired me to test the bike, review it and to produce a video for on my UA-cam channel, and is such labelled as a paid partnership on UA-cam. Mondraker have had no direct input on this content or any editorial or narrative control over the video. This paid partnership with Mondraker has allowed me time to test the bike and also film and edit over multiple days working with an independent film crew to help capture the bike shots and produce the video content.
It’s nice and all, but what the market is really waiting for is a sub 19kg inc 500Wh+ battery, full power, good looks and sub £5k. Whoever gets there first will clean up.
Not likely to happen. Batteries, motors and frames are not getting much lighter than they already are.
The Whyte E-lyte is almost there. Just not sub £5k. 400Wh + RangeMore 250wh. 16.5KG (or 19KG, depending on the model). 600 watt motor. Just £10k plus, unfortunately.
I'd say 6.5k many would find it worthwhile to stretch the budget to. 8k up is just silly territory. 10k plus is an industry destroyer. Why, well anyone vaguely aware of the world geopolitical state knows we are going into very dicey times and a bike is just a bike, we can't lose our minds over our passion for biking, reality bites and all that.
In my view what “the market “ wants is much better motor reliability and waterproofing………..yes I and my wife have had too many such issues. 😬😕
@@marauder7412 you’d be mad to bet against it. Just look at the speed of technological advancement and innovation. 3 years I’d say.
Bro went from reviewing bikes to producing cinema masterpiece. Sound Effects, image quality and edit is 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Paid for video. Film crew. Nonetheless, lovely job.
Deer, ponies and ebikes in a drone shot! What more can I say...Bravo.
Cinematic masterpiece as always Rob 🤌🏻
As an ebike owner and owner of previous Carbon Mtb’s the first major issue with e-bikes is THE COST! And to be honest no mater the brand -there’s no way it justifies the price .
The second major issue seems to be the price DEPRECIATION . With new models coming out fairly quickly pre owned bike prices are crashing. Third major issue is - as mentioned- not enough cross compatibility or cross upgrade ability.
That’s the trade off for access to cutting edge tech. Especially a tech that’s in its infancy stage of development
Yeah agreed but as Rob said s it the price we pay for cutting edge tech I just find ways to justify it and make the most of the bike enjoy the trails, I do feel the lighter ebikes offer a more all round bike that enables you to ride it even without power or a battery 🤔😊
Arthur
Crestline is only $12k retail
I dont get it with the cost problem, a non e mt bike can cost just as much.
Much cheaper workable EMTB's can be had, around 4 K or even less. If thats too much then you have to buy used.
All this clap trap about silence and serenity, an e bike that isnt like an e bike, I like my 900WH full powered Canyon EMTB, it hails ass, it will go 60 miles and still have battery.
A bike with out good range, or proper power, is a specialty item. The power can be used up in no time.
@@helicopter12345678 I really like my 24lb Intense Sniper, ride it a lot.
But I really like my Canyon Spectral ON, I can run it in boost mode for 4 hours and still have good battery left.
Its an E bike, it makes power, huge battery.
Its good to have choices. Riding an EMTB with not much power or battery..............yeah it can be done.
Out of the 7 guys I ride in a pack with, the guy that had the baby motor/tiny battery TREK? Gave it to his wife and bought a full power EMTB.
Those horses from the background are just...... Amazing 👍
man I love your videos the footage is just amazing, even though I personally don't care about lightweight ebikes I still watch the full video just because those shots are so pleasing I mean is like an emtb movie, there is even a beautiful horse galloping around and animals on those hills. magnificent I was even wondering when you would release a new video.
Sorry Rob ....
2021 Orbea Rise M ltd -series 15.9 kg.....
60 Nm....
Great bike, But not nearly as silent 😊
The price for this bike is $21K AUD. who in their right mind would pay that!
A holes
@@brendansherlock6442fat dentists. 😂😂😂
Less e-bike for more money. If it was an electric car it would be the cheaper model because it doesn’t go as far and takes longer to get there.
I went from a Sworks LEVO full powered to this Mondraker Neat and I am more then happy!!..excellent choice. I was tired of the power of a full eMTB, the weight in tech tight switchbacks etc and the noise! also missed the natural feel and the effort on the climbs...and this bike nailed all of that!!!! its a beauty and so well made
I agree. I have the fuel EXe with the same TQ system. I didn’t want a motorcycle I still wanted to work like when I road my Sworks stump jumper
@@jimsteinway695if you really wanted to “work” like that, you wouldn’t be riding any form of ebike. Sorry to point out the obvious.
There are adjustments on your old Levo that dictate power, it doesn’t always have to be in “full power” mode.
@@KosmicHRTRacingTeam thats wrong. You have the same workout as with a normal bike, but you'll double the descents, which is double the fun. Sorry to point out the obvious
@@Manu_Air228its completely imposible to get the same workout as in an analog bike. Its Just a lie that you tell yourself
I’m about to buy a Trek Fuel Exe with the TQ motor. But won’t be leaving it as standard. It’s good but is lacking about 200w of power. So my plan is to rip the electronics out and replace with a tuneable ESC and get around 500W from it
My Pivot Shuttle SL is a bit lighter and stronger. I usually just ride it on the lowest setting. I find it enough and it truly rocks
Really nice video Rob. The scenery is just amazing! Just one question. Can you compare the Mondraker to the Levo SL or the Kenevo SL?
This is your nicest production yet! I had to check a few times to see if that herd of deer were digital!lol
Haha, good to see someone is doing due diligence!
On full-powered I feel like I'm the understudy in the rider-bike relationship, on analog the physical stress often overshadows the fun. I got soaked into riding SL mid-assist last spring and I couldn't agree more with your review👍 5400 miles on my Trek Fuel EXe. I have 2 full-size 360Wh batteries and on long trips the spare (4lbs) gets strapped into my backpack. Range? I went 76.2 mi→ 5230 ft↑ last fall in Taos highland using ECO and a little bit of TRAIL in the steep😄
was the 76.2 miles using both batteries? I just purchased the exe 9.7 and wondering about a battery or extender?
@@JosephFlood-x8g Yes, both batteries used of course. Batteries down to 0% and 3%.
And what's your weight, bro?
@@829250 5'10", 154 lbs, recreational runner and mountain biker. Not much power in upper body but legs are ok😀
Kenevo SLhere, easy 7,500 ft of elevation if I keep to 50% or less power, with the extender.
Seems Rob’s realised that full fat eebs are really mopeds 😀
You can get the Trek fuel exe 9.5 in the uk from various places on sale for £3899 carbon frame same motor lower spec components now that’s a deal
Looks great but tbh when you can still get a levo with 700WH and 90NM for 22kg it just doesn’t make any sense to buy this IMO
Headset cable routing (someone tought that was a good idea three years ago !) and the price are the only reasons I wouldn't buy one. Lovely looking bikes.
Hiring wild horses to be in your video... You really outdid yourself!
I'm sticking with my 85nm, 750w/hr GIANT........full fat, every time. Great video though.
Cables through the headset?
That's a hard NO!
Nailed it.
I have a Trek Fuel EXe with the same TQ motor it lets me ride like I'm in great shape when I'm not. It's awesome! 😂 Seriously though, I haven't had a bad ride on it yet. It never makes you suffer.
£10495 I think I'll pass.
Hey Rob couple of years into my trek fuel EXe and totally agree with your comments, I still ride my regular analog bike as well but when it’s hot or I’m squeezing in a quick after work ride the EXe is my first choice for sure. I ride solo mostly so running in lower power modes no issues for longer rides. When riding with mates on full fat bikes I can rinse my battery super quick trying to keep up so will look at a range extender this year but can usually ride home unpowered without too many issues just slow going.
When away I usually hire a full fat bike and enjoy them very much but always glad to get back on the quieter more playful machine round my home trails. Swapped out the standard fox 36 rhythm fork for Fox performance elite 38s originally ran 170 on the front but settled back on 160mm travel which appears to be the bike and myself’s sweet spot regarding steering and handling, installed better tyres as stock options were pretty easy to kill on my rocky loose trails no issues with reliability so far vey happy with the bike all round.
Interesting what you have done with your bike, I’ve had my Trek exe for a few months now love it 👌
@@davefreeman9347 Hey Dave, definitely worth running the 160mm shock out front I’ve found the Fox 38s fair bit stiffer than 36s.
I’d originally wanted to go a rock shox lyric out front but was offered the 38s for a great price. It’s probably over kill on what’s essentially a trail bike but wow the bike is a weapon now on fast technical single track and bombs down all mountain enduro stuff with a lot more poise.
Rode it stock for a year to analyse its strengths and weaknesses like most fuels the rear end is very good stock and the plusher longer travel of the fork upgrade was well worth it. Upgraded the rear rim to a DT Swiss FR DH spec as killed original rim in first year of use and running DD spec side walls and insert on rear tyre lots of sharp rocks on my trails. No worries keeping up with the full fats going down just gotta battery manage chasing them up 😁👍
Which tires, may I ask?
Great comments!
@@rohankilby4499 that’s great to hear definitely given me sometimes think about 👍 I’ve already upgraded the wheels as stock were terrible
Is it possible to power the bike with just the external battery (internal remove). Reason I ask is the external battery is within the limit of 160wh for carryon for the flight. Wish TQ start breaking there 320wh battery into 2 pieces so that we can also put in on carry-on bag in the flight.
Some great camera work Rob, looks an interesting bike.
Honestly if this was offered in a mullet setup Id def have one, as I have the superfoxy, however for my mid powered fix I purchased the Heckler SL with the Fazua, awesome bike absolutely love riding it, however after only 4 rides the motor has started making the famous fazua rattle,,,, #warranty and still waiting...
On the plus side the mondraker Neat is an awesome looking machine for sure, just think that they should have a little more grunt peak 450watts.
Killer footage mate.
If you're like me, short kegs and long torso, I don't like full 27.5 five but love a mixed wheel setup. 29er in the rear is absolutely miserable with rear-end buzz. Any bike that's not mix wheel counts me out.
I love how understated these look. Mondraker is always on point with aesthetics.
On the opposite end of the scale, where are you at with your Haibike review?
The elephant in the room? That's right, PRICE! Starts at nearly £7,000! That's the BASE SPEC!
Hey Rob, I have been looking at the KTM E-bikes such as the prowler, which have the bosch system with 750wh battery and not a bad price and not alot of reviews, if you get a opportunity it would be nice to get a review
This bike seems great. I have a full fat emtb (Nukeproof Megawatt) and I ended up losing around 13kgs last year from dieting. Now my full fat almost seems like too much power and battery for me because I keep it on eco mode when climbing. The Neat looks like it would give me just enough assist and battery while being 18 instead of 24kgs.
You're missing a trick.
Ride your full fat like a enduro Mx bike.
Incorporate super tech, steep as fuck climbs into your rides!
@@hawthornewalker4105 exactly :) we started to ride up local trails which are meant to be downhill only :D (not official one direction ones, just local "illegals" ! )
@@hawthornewalker4105 Yes, true, that is a thing you can do but I can't deny that I love the downhill way more that I do the uphill even still. The only reason I ride an emtb is so that I can do more downhill. To each their own though!
Marketing team.
We put less material in..
And get this.
We charge them more!!
😂😂😂
Oh the irony.
It does look a nice package though, those range extenders are a nice feature.
Maybe in two or three years I might pick one up second hand.
Not sure I get purpose of the range expanders. If you are going to carry all that weight in weird places why not just get a full power ebike?
I understand the idea behind the lightweight bikes, there is definitely a market for it, but why try to make it something its not. I love my full power bike. Sure it's heavy but its designed to carry it well. If I want the lightweight experience I will ride my acoustic bike.
It's that the majority of the time you don't carry the range extender. Just on really big rides.
It's funny how the concept of lightweight has changed so much in recent years. Just to be clear: 19kg for a bike is not light.
I believe the transition relay (also an ebike) is available in a spec that is about 18 kilos (39-40 lbs) also.
When I was shopping for Levo I thought the lightweight SL emtb’s were silly. Now that I own a Levo and never take it out of Eco, I am way more open to the 50-60 nm class, especially if you can drop 10-15 pounds off the weight.
It still has a Derailleur, No Thanks, this bike offers nothing new or inspirational.
Great review absolutely spot on Rob about these SL bikes I have the Trek Fuel exe which as you know has the same motor system it’s great for those power hours as I can go at least a third further than I normally would, but I’ve ridden the 40km rides with 900 meters of climbing and I know I’ve had a great workout but I don’t feel beaten up by the trail and bike and done for the day, I can get out and enjoy the rest of the day with the family etc
I think it’s a little illogical as you need to comment on rider weight, location, effort etc. Eg, I’m 92kg, maybe 90kg trim, or 95 fully loaded with water, clothes and a few tools. On a full fat 750wH bike on a XC trail I can climb on 60% on Eco and end up with 50% battery left on 1000m’s of climbing. If I want to do an extra ride when not 100% rested on my local punchy hills I can burn through 80% on 25km’s and 1000m of climbing. So to do something similar let’s deduct 5kg for an SL and add in a battery extender or two and your pretty close. If your bike is dialled in, has good geo to begin with you just set your sag, tyre pressure and forget the rest and you don’t really notice the weight once your rolling. For me an SL just takes the edge off an analog ride or basically Eco on a full power. I do agree it is a pedal bike with a little assist. Thoughts anyone?
When bikes reach this cost, you should get a range extender as part of the bike cost, also manufacturers should fit country/region specific tyres and you shouldn't need to change any parts, due them not being the very best you can get, only change should be personal preference.
I don't mountain bike but i Can't imagine a high maintenance mountain bike and the extra weight 🤔
I also love feeling the burn.
Luckaly I have 6 power levels on my ebike ranging from, you do the work to I will do all the work on this heavy bike.
I have a Fuel EXe and use the fidlock adaptor for the RE, its a really good solution, isnt this Mondraker basically a Fuel EXe? No downside there to have some other options.
Great vid looks like my backyard the Quantocs , since riding e-bike I have explored more in 5 years than I did 20 years on analogue😀
Came here to say the same. Awesome XC, and Triscombe.
How much did you pay the compares (deer and the horse)? I hope they got some good treats for these shots ;-)
awesome bike, Mondraker just catapulted themselves up to my N°1 and 2 most wanted E-Bikes, with the Neat and the Dune
"This eBike Means The Death of Traditional MTBs?"
How much? "£6799-£10499"
No, no it isn't
absolutely agree - we keep saying that the main issue with the eMTB is the price - all these youtubers (including you, Rob) are just keep talking and talking about the tech. Yeah, it is amazing but at such prices?!! No, thanks!
@@finroddd HI fin, I've made a few videos on cheaper ebikes, like the Vitus e-mythique recently, some DIY builds etc and have another lightweight DIY build video coming soon, and I completely agree pricing is super important. The tech helps move things forward, and the latest tech is always usually the most expensive. But it will trickle down eventually, and become cheaper. But we need advances in tech to move things forwards. High price bikes are definitely not for everyone, but I do think there's interesting things to cover, but I will continue to seek out more value based bikes as much as I can. Thanks, Rob.
@@RobRidesEMTB thanks for the balanced answer, Rob, it is very reasonable indeed. keep up with the good work!
@@RobRidesEMTB when you'll have time and opportunity, can you please take a look at Polygon eMTBs, such as Polygon Collosus N8E or Polygon Siskiu T7E?
I am very interested in your opinion about these budget ebikes (thinking about buying one of these for myself).
Thanks in advance!
Excellent video as always. I find it. Curious, you didn’t mention the price only that it was expensive. Mondraker really needs to take a look at their pricing because it is expensive.
My Crafty RR carbon is a nice bike, but much more of a trail geometry. Actually thinking of putting another degree of slack with offset headset
Incredible video and that Mondraker is really a nice bike! I am now entering in the emtb world and is Nice to know about the variety of type of bikes and functions. 🤙
This is exactly the type of bike I have been looking for. A proper electric enduro bike. It's a real shame the price is so high. I hope other manufacturers will bring out cheaper alternatives.
Nice review Rob, love the idea of the TQ motor, at 61 after 30+yrs of riding mtb bought a 2nd hand levo Sl this time last year. Some of my analogue mates don't get it, still call it cheating but the ability to still get a workout but ride further or faster with an Sl bike is the best of both worlds. Like the idea of the removable battery which the levo sl hasn't got. For me where money is tight a well researched low mileage 2nd hand bike is the way forward. £3.5k for my carbon sl expert + a range extender. Since up graded to GX Axs shifting, don't know how I would live without axs now. Keep up the good work. Video on buying 2nd hand maybe?
the only real innovation on this bike is the removable battery
Cheers Rob , good article.
What a really interesting bike. I like the idea of it.
The advantage of pedalling over the limiter and not noticing any drag is good.
Would I buy one . Not at that price.
i need more travel, mid power ebikes other than specialized dont offer that.
Nice review Rob, lovely cinematography
It’s videography. Cinematography is not the same
I agree with a 450wh battery taking into account that 50Nm is good enough to climb faster and wont use as much battery as a full power heavy bike, would be compatible with a 650wh battery on a full power. I have my 2021 trek rail which im extremely happy with still, however im waiting for something that really call my attention on the Light weight category.
I've owned a Trek Fuel Exe for 6 months now with the TQ50. It's definitely missing some of the fun factor you get from a full power ebike and also the range sucks. Honestly I think I would go either full fat or analog bike as the TQ is too much of a compromise.
Orbea Rise is 3 years old, lighter more powerful and a larger battery. Also has a range extender. The Mondraker is slacker though but I can see any additional benefit?
The carbon Rise has the same battery size (360Wh). The much heavier alloy H30 at 20.8kg has the 540Wh battery. The Orbea is still a good bike, just has the issues of the Shimano motor that all the Shimano bikes have like the rattle plus the geo is a little dated now.
Wrong, the carbon Rise now comes with a 540wh battery
@@KingLuff and with the 540Wh battery increases the weight to around 19kg for the Carbon frame bike. So still not lighter and still has the issues of the Shimano motor and dated geo.
Wrong again 😂
@@KingLuff Well Vital did a test on the 360Wh carbon MyO Build and that was 17.7 kg, plus you would then add another 500g to that for the 540Wh battery and that's pretty close to 19kg, plus there's heavier builds than that.
Great video, but couldn't this title and summary have been said about the Orbea Rise 3 years ago?
Appreciate it has a newer motor, but still.... and it's pricier than the old Spanish dog as well
The Orbea is still a good bike, just has the issues of the Shimano motor that all the Shimano bikes have like the rattle plus the geo is a little dated now.
@streddaz yes but it did all of these things 3 YEARS AGO.
Love you Rob, but I don't see how this has moved the game on
@@ForTheDrivers it's not a big leap but you get an almost silent bike, no rattle on descents and more modern geometry. The Orbea also had XC spec wheels and tyres to get the weight down to where it was on the top models. The Shimano motor also doesn't pedal all that well without the assistance or above the speed cut. If the cost of the Mondraker was a few grand cheaper it would be a much better bike than the Orbea, but it's just hard to justify for the price. It will be interesting to see with the downturn in the industry if prices drop much.
For that price I can buy a motorcycle.
When it comes to an emtb im not really looking at weight. Just give me more range and a great motor.
This is a well done ad. Much more of an obvious paid for sales pitch than usual.
The music, the serenity, "serenity now!" The bike? Doesnt make enough power, doesnt come with a big enough battery, its for people that want an e bike that doesnt look like an e bike. 85NM is just about enough, I want an e bike that goes like an e bike.
I really think credibility is seriously downgraded when a post becomes an ad. Money is money.
Having one foot on the motorcycle industry and one on non electric MTB’s, e-bikes seems just silly, both for price and standardization.
I am not even getting close to the e-bike market until it gets some standardization (as you wisely mention in a video last year) batteries, chargers, motors and so on…
Amazing love it but these days my Max bpm is 155 I'll stay with my 640w 80nm always enjoy your shows Rob 🙏🇦🇺
My max is similar to yours but I still ride my road Roubaix and my Sworks stumpjumper. But to keep up with my son I got a trek Fuel EXe. I didn’t want a 600w motorcycle. Nobody can even tell I have an e bike
The visual was outstanding for the video, Ill comment this, as with 29s its never a bad idea to put bigger tyres on an off road vehicle also lighter mountain bikes the same applying to. sound and waight .My off road 4x4 and dual sport nde desert dirt bikes take extra gas .Il take TWO extra batteries .
Wow! Very nice filming
Amazing review Rob, same question for you as I always ask 😂….. Is it better than the Rise ?😂 ( asking for a friend who just bought a 2023 M10 😂)!!! I also noticed that you didn’t like the Dune much . Did you prefer this bike ?
I love the look of this bike but in reality I don’t think I could go from a 600 watt, 750 Wh Mondraker Crafty to a bike that has half the power and battery. I mean I’m sure I would get used to it and I’d probably get fitter but I’d be going a lot slower up the climbs which is part of the reason why I love my ebike and also my GF has a full power ebike so she would just be waiting for me all the time. I think I’ll stick with the full power bikes but I hope that the batteries will get lighter soon and I also hope that Mondraker start selling XL Mondraker Crafty Carbon in NZ because currently they only sell the carbon bikes in M/L size which means I’m stuck with alloy. Not that there’s anything wrong with alloy but carbon is just so nice.
Hi ! I will not choose this bike because there is a Rotwild RX 375 which weighs 18.5 kg and has a full 85nm Shimano motor and an easily replaceable 360 battery. This is a bike from two worlds. You should definitely try it !
Simply an epic review Rob!
Another bike with a smaller motor and battery that costs more than my full fat E-bike. Less motors and batteries on any electric car comes with a cheaper price tag. When the bike industry stops ripping us off on these SL bikes, I’ll be first in line to buy one 😮
No different to any sports car, the lightweight models are the most expensive. There is usually more cost to make something smaller and lighter.
Two things i hate on E-bikes are exactly the sound of the motor, and the look of the bike. I like what i see here...!
Moar powa pweez
Wtf most people riding regular bike dont avoid ebike because they look like ebike. We pedal our bikes because that's what riding bike is about. I enjoy my ebike but I enjoy regular bikini too. Also the range is mostly unlimited with muscles.
i bet those wildlife and horse are special effects :)
I did think that too, probably got the sound of the horse and stuck it in just as the horse is in view. 😂
It's almost as if e-bike manufacturers are ashamed of current e-bikes looking like e-bikes and are trying to disguise them to satisfy the purists.
Great review!
Without taking anything from the review itself,
Personally I dislike the notion of ANY bike "killing" traditional MTBs. (Not that top XC are exactly traditional, but... oh, well.)
Just a short list, people still lift weights, run considerable distances, climb mountains (sometimes deliberately without gear), swim, and cycle without help.
Some people (and not few) still want to feel they are 100% responsible for their sporting performance. That will not change in the foreseeable future, and I'd say even hundreds of years to come (as people competed for performance for millenias).
Yes, ebikes will dominate amateur enduro (people who like only the downhill) and some other areas.
Yes, ebikes are a rising force in many areas.
But, "indistinguishable" is far from the only factor when considering ebike vs bike.
Cheers,
Keep up the good work 🙂
I'm 70, living in San Diego, and have biked my whole life. Every person tells me to start with a used mtb before transitioning to emtb. There are thousands of gravel trails in the area. Suggestions?
great, but that price?!
This Bike is Cool and it has enough Power for me but it needs a bigger Battery.
Hope Batterys getting more Wh in the next years with this Size and Weight.
But for now i have a full Power Bike for the wide Range.
In Future with better batterys this would be the perfect Bike.
I only use max Tour Mode (140%) on my Bosch and this Motor shoud be have the same Power on Max mode or?
I’d like to see a comparison Mondraker Neat vs the Whyte E-Lyte.
Cool. Another underpowered and less capable but slightly lighter option. I suspect when actual weight is closer to 20kg, so 44lbs and that’s with a 360w battery? Let’s be honest, Seems like many of the 50lb e-bikes could reach similar numbers, start with switching out your 700-800w battery with one half its size (and weight) and then carefully pick a few other weight weenie options. (Going from a Fox 38 to a 36 or 34 to start). A sub 45 lb ebike with similar power (in eco mode) could be had with some creativity and $$.
Great video, very professional. I have a channel which I have recently started and can only dream of pro edits like this 😂. One day maybe 🤔
10k.......... nah I'll stick to old school pedalling. Great advert though.
how, just how.. did u get the deer shot, then the horse glowing in the dying sun.... amazing. never mind the bike!!
"...apart from cost...": As I see it, bike manufacturing marketing departments can split cyclists into 2 groups: 1. those that are perfectly comfortable with the bike they have, don't need the latest carbon / tech gizmo to feel better about themselves & for whom cost/value is an actual & meaningful metric, and 2. the N+1 brigade that eat carbon croutons for breakfast, and who feel that annual & flashy new bikes/upgrades are a critical statement of their existance. Guess someone needs to keep the industry going then....🙂
Nothing new then. - Its a trail bike with a small battery and motor.
Looks like a great bike if you want and need this type of bike. Death of my Ibis Ripley weighing in around 27#, I don't think so. In addition, I personally don't need this much travel. Just incredible how much bikes are costing in this day and age. Yes, the technology is there but it's still hard to swallow.
Well I like the attempt & the evolution 4 lighter bikes. However for 13.2 pounds i’ll take the full⚡️ because range isn’t as important as hill climbing ease. I’m interested in more torque like 75 Nm is a decent compromise
This isn’t even close to signalling the death of traditional mtbs. Starting at £6799 it’s way too pricey. Sure there are plenty of traditional bikes that cost as much but there are also plenty of quality bikes that are a lot less. It’s a nice looking bike but I wouldn’t pay that price. Haibike Lyke can be had for under 5k. Might not be as pretty but it’s much better value and from I’ve seen. It can handle everything but the gnarliest with ease.
Compared to a analog bike:
Price, value loss, high potential servicost on motor/ battery/ vires/ drivetrain, future incompatibility for motor/ battery/ chargers and it's not something a home mechanic can wrench on??
Easily removable battery is calling for a full power motor. Giant figured out the 2nd half of this but needs the ability to swap the battery.
My hope is that the over saturation of manufacturers and the difficulties they now face, will result in mergers and acquisitions that will create unbelievably well spec'd bikes. Instead of that horrible choice between different tech platforms, buyers can choose to purchase a bike with both. The sales would sky rocket due to demand for such a desirable bike and consequently a lower RRP and both manufacturers would likely survive the industries current level of insolvencies. A win win as they say
Lack of competition usually means manufacturers control the price, spec and quality...not usually in favour of the buyer!
18kg Isn't light enough IMO full fat bikes are getting to 21KG. Cube One 55 as an example. Easiest way to lose weight is off the rider.
Firstly, want one so bad!
Secodly, with the animals prancing and the scenic views, this clip feels like "what if Disney did a MTB review video?" LOL
Cost, "range" and longevity are 3 things regular bikes will always have over e-bikes.
I love and prefer my ebike, but the sad fact is once the motor or battery gives up and the manufacturer no longer make them, the bike is done.
Oh, if the traditional Mountainbike is dead, mountainbiking in general will be dead within two or three generations. Cause who can afford bikes of that cost for the potential biker of tomorrow, our children???
It's obvious that something is riding in the wrong direction...
Whilst eBikes use proprietary batteries and motors and restricted access to the software and electronics preventing me do my own repairs rather than spending a fortune to some greedy monopoly, no thanks! I want my bikes to last me years, if not decades. Seems like wasteful consumerism having a £7k bike that will be obsolete and for the bin in a few years.
Why does an e-bike have to be sleek and light? It's a bike with an electric motor. If you want sleek and light buy a traditional bike. It's almost like people want an e-bike that doesn't "look" like an e-bike. Why is that?
Man, are people that scared of being judged? I strapped a water bottle cage on the bottom of downtube. I never had clearance issues. Did that on everybike I've owned.
It's not the death because why the hell would I want an electric engine to do my workout for me? I know lots of people have an answer to that question, but others really don't and want cycling as it really is (not a motorized sport).
My problem with e-bikes is lack of standards. Makes me nervous to get involved. This is way too much cash for mere mortals anyway 😂