I was raised a catholic, and did not know anything about the true Christ, and everything that goes along with him, I am now a Christian, and I told my family all about what I’ve learned about loving and living for Christ, my family did not want to hear about my faith anymore, but I’ve lost my parents, one sister and now one brother, and all I can think about is knowing their suffering in hell. How my heart breaks for them God bless ✝️🕊💜🙏🏻
Heidi K. People are so easily sucked in. If it's in the bible then it's GODS TRUTH and if it's not in the bible then it should be disregarded. You are right there. Satan works on deceiving people.
brudyboy58 There is no RAPTURE, nowhere in the bible does it speak about a RAPTURE. It will be JESUS second coming to earth. That's right though those that are alive and believe will indeed be raised upon JESUS second coming.
The entire paradigm of eternal life either in hell or heaven is based on the false premise that we have immortal souls which therefore have to live someplace forever. We do not have immortal souls. *The immortal soul is a lie,* started when Satan said *"ye shall not surely die"* (Gen 3:4). *"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."* (Romans 6:23). _Death_ . . . not eternal life in torment. *Salvation is not about, and never was about - **_where_** you'll spend eternity. You will not even **_have_** an eternity - of any sort any where - unless you receive from God the gift of eternal life!* The immortal soul came down to us through pagan religion. Here's what Plato the pagan Greek philosopher wrote, about 360 BC: _"Do we believe that there is such a thing as death? And is this anything but the separation of soul and body? And being dead is the attainment of this separation; when the soul exists in herself, and is parted from the body and the body is parted from the soul . . . is not the conclusion of the whole matter this? - that the soul is in the very likeness of the divine, and immortal, and intelligible, and uniform, and indissoluble, and unchangeable; and the body is in the very likeness of the human, and mortal, and unintelligible, and multiform, and dissoluble, and changeable . . . beyond question the soul is immortal and imperishable, and our souls will truly exist in another world!"_ (Plato, in _Phaedo,_ about 360 BC) The fate of the unsaved is to perish, through death, specifically in what the Bible calls the "second death" after resurrection for judgement. They are not tortured eternally, in some sort of fiery hell as portrayed by medieval illustrators.
So, are you convinced that one minute after you die you'll (hopefully) be in heaven and meeting Jesus? Are you aware that the apostle Paul taught we'll meet Jesus _after_ we have been resurrected, and that we won't be resurrected until Jesus returns? Consider for yourself what Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17: "For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." That's right. Paul did not teach we go to heaven when we die. A few will immediately say "Hey, wait, didn't Paul say (re: Phil 1:23) he'd prefer to 'depart, and be with Christ'"? Yes, he did say that. But if you think Paul thought he'd meet Christ _when he died,_ then Paul must have made a mistake about meeting Christ after our resurrection at Jesus' return. The _assumption_ that Paul thought he'd meet Jesus when he died is the problem. Paul knew, from the Bible, that when we die our "thoughts perish." Psalm 146:4 describes death: "His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish." We go _to the grave_ when we die and our "thoughts perish" - our consciousness stops. We remain in the grave until we are resurrected. While in the grave we have no consciousness and do not experience the passage of time. When the elect are resurrected at Jesus' return (as Paul described in 1 Cor 15:50-54 and 1 Thess 4:13-17) their consciousness returns and _then_ they meet Christ. It will _seem to them_ like no time had passed since their last conscious moment at death. After departing in death, the next thing Paul would know was that he had been resurrected and was meeting Christ. That's what Paul was referring to when he wrote "For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better" (Phil 1:23). Paul did not believe we go to heaven and meet Christ when we die. No, Paul himself clearly taught that we remain in the grave, "asleep in Jesus," until resurrected, and will meet Christ after we are resurrected: "For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17) Jesus said "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven" (John 3:13). That's right. Abraham, Moses, David, Elijah and the prophets have not gone to heaven. Peter even confirmed David was still in the tomb when he said "Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day . . . For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand" (Acts 2:29,34). They're all still in the grave, waiting for their resurrection at Jesus' return.
Bible//// But we know from the testimony of those that have had NDEs that the souls are not asleep. 1 Samuel 28 :15 "Samuel said to Saul" Samuel was not asleep.
Is it even reasonable to accept the "testimonies" of people who were borderline conscious/functioning as "proof" of anything? So-called NDEs are not good sources of information. Samuel was dead and is still dead. The vision of Samuel called up by the witch/fortune-teller was just that: a vision. Nowhere have I said anything about "soul sleep." The idea that you have an immortal soul - always alive and conscious, always existing somewhere - comes from pagan doctrine and is at the root of the "soul sleep" controversy. Here is a quote from the pagan philosopher Plato; this is an example of where the "immortal soul" doctrine comes from: _"Do we believe that there is such a thing as death? And is this anything but the separation of soul and body? And being dead is the attainment of this separation; when the soul exists in herself, and is parted from the body and the body is parted from the soul . . . is not the conclusion of the whole matter this? - that the soul is in the very likeness of the divine, and immortal, and intelligible, and uniform, and indissoluble, and unchangeable; and the body is in the very likeness of the human, and mortal, and unintelligible, and multiform, and dissoluble, and changeable . . . beyond question the soul is immortal and imperishable, and our souls will truly exist in another world!"_ ( Plato, in _Phaedo,_ about 360 BC) We don't _have_ immortal souls. In the Bible we _are_ souls, but with a different definition: our soul is our being, our self, started when God gave us the breath of life (Genesis 2:7). God knows every detail about each of us, body and self, down to the number hairs we have. Our soul - our self, our "being" - is not immortal and can be terminated by God. Jesus said so: *"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"* (Matthew 10:28). "Destroy" is from the Greek word ἀπόλλυμι ("apollumi") and means just that: fully destroy. "Hell" is from the Greek _geenna,_ a reference to the dump outside Jerusalem. Jesus likened the fate of the unsaved to being thrown into the _geenna_ dump, for permanent, final destruction. It wil be end of their bodies and of their selves: they won't exist any more: "For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be." (Psalm 37:10) "When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that *they shall be destroyed for ever"* (Psalms 92:7). "The way of the LORD is strength to the upright: but *destruction* shall be to the workers of iniquity" (Proverbs 10:29). "As the whirlwind passeth, *so is the wicked no more:* but the righteous is an everlasting foundation" (Proverbs 10:25). "Knowest thou not this of old, since man was placed upon earth, That the triumphing of the wicked is short, and the joy of the hypocrite but for a moment? Though his excellency mount up to the heavens, and his head reach unto the clouds; Yet *he shall perish for ever* like his own dung: they which have seen him shall say, Where is he?" (Job 20:4-7). In Matthew 25:46 Jesus describes the fate of the unsaved: "And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal." When a criminal is executed, his punishment is not "everlasting" in the sense of being ongoing, perpetual punishing. No, the punishment is "everlasting" in the sense that it is permanent, complete and final, standing forever. It will be the same for the unsaved; they will be destroyed - figuratively thrown into the dump, the "lake of fire" - and that will be the end of them. Their punishment is done and stands forever; it is not eternally ongoing punishing. The words "permanent" and "final" are actually never used in the KJV; "everlasting" is often used instead. Beware of assuming "everlasting" means perpetual, ongoing, and unending and never means permanent, finished, done for all time.
The Bible Says You are either mistaken or you are lying - if there is no place of torment for those who die rejecting God's gift of salvation through Jesus our Saviour, God's only Son and they are only annihilated then why did Jesus willingly die such a horrendous death to save us. Your assertions are heresy and you must repent and stop teaching this lie. Keep in mind Luke 16:19ff.
Jesus Way Truth Life: Jesus died to make a ransom available, His life for ours, His death in place of ours (Matthew 20:28). With that ransom Jesus can and will redeem us from the death penalty we have each already earned for sin (Romans 6:23) - IF we will choose to repent, _forsake sin that earned the death penalty to begin with._ Without redemption we each remain hopelessly doomed to perish in death for our past sins. Redemption is GRACE; it is mercy shown on those who confess and forsake sin. *"He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy"* (Proverbs 28:13). Without choosing, committing, to forsake sin we have no grace, no redemption from the death penalty already earned for past sin. And we will surely perish in death as the "wages" of those past sins (Romans 6:23). That's why Jesus warned: *"except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish"* (Luke 13:5). We do not have immortal souls. The immortal soul is a lie, started when Satan said *"ye shall not surely die"* (Gen 3:4). *"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."* (Romans 6:23). _Death_ . . . not eternal life in torment. *Salvation is not about, and never was about - **_where_** you'll spend eternity. You will not even **_have_** an eternity - of any sort any where - unless you receive from God the gift of eternal life!* The entire paradigm of eternal life either in hell or heaven is based on the false premise that we have immortal souls which therefore have to live someplace forever. The parable of Lazarus and the rich man is about belief and repentance. Believing Gentiles (Lazarus) will take the place of the unrepentant rich man - Israel including the Jews - who were rich owing to their covenant with God, promising them national blessings. The Gentiles had been "outside the rich man's gate" - outside of the promises. My UA-cam channel has videos about Lazarus and the rich man, hell, the immortal soul etc.
Soul sleeping is found nowhere in the bible and is false doctrine. Our soul is automatically released upon death. 2 Corinthians 8: We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the LORD.
Erwin Lutzer is right in every respect.
A very good bible-based teaching!
I was raised a catholic, and did not know anything about the true Christ, and everything that goes along with him, I am now a Christian, and I told my family all about what I’ve learned about loving and living for Christ, my family did not want to hear about my faith anymore, but I’ve lost my parents, one sister and now one brother, and all I can think about is knowing their suffering in hell. How my heart breaks for them God bless ✝️🕊💜🙏🏻
Don't forget us down here in Australia!
See victorzammit.com
watching from Kenya 💃
Great message!!!
this interview was very helpful for me, thanks to both!
I struggle with the doctrine of hell, but Dr. Lutzer made clear that the rich man knew his sentence was just.
New Zealand too 👍🏼
What about Edgar Casey , he had vision of past and future ... Some things came true.. Jesus had some decipals that had visions also ..
Casey was a psychic. His evil spirits told him some truths along with lies.
Heidi K. People are so easily sucked in. If it's in the bible then it's GODS TRUTH and if it's not in the bible then it should be disregarded. You are right there. Satan works on deceiving people.
Truly, there is no reincarnation. It is caused by the interjecion of the history of a possessing entity.
Are you forgetting about the rapture. A few will never die.
brudyboy58 There is no RAPTURE, nowhere in the bible does it speak about a RAPTURE. It will be JESUS second coming to earth. That's right though those that are alive and believe will indeed be raised upon JESUS second coming.
The entire paradigm of eternal life either in hell or heaven is based on the false premise that we have immortal souls which therefore have to live someplace forever.
We do not have immortal souls. *The immortal soul is a lie,* started when Satan said *"ye shall not surely die"* (Gen 3:4). *"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."* (Romans 6:23). _Death_ . . . not eternal life in torment. *Salvation is not about, and never was about - **_where_** you'll spend eternity. You will not even **_have_** an eternity - of any sort any where - unless you receive from God the gift of eternal life!*
The immortal soul came down to us through pagan religion. Here's what Plato the pagan Greek philosopher wrote, about 360 BC:
_"Do we believe that there is such a thing as death? And is this anything but the separation of soul and body? And being dead is the attainment of this separation; when the soul exists in herself, and is parted from the body and the body is parted from the soul . . . is not the conclusion of the whole matter this? - that the soul is in the very likeness of the divine, and immortal, and intelligible, and uniform, and indissoluble, and unchangeable; and the body is in the very likeness of the human, and mortal, and unintelligible, and multiform, and dissoluble, and changeable . . . beyond question the soul is immortal and imperishable, and our souls will truly exist in another world!"_ (Plato, in _Phaedo,_ about 360 BC)
The fate of the unsaved is to perish, through death, specifically in what the Bible calls the "second death" after resurrection for judgement. They are not tortured eternally, in some sort of fiery hell as portrayed by medieval illustrators.
The bible doesn't say, Keep telling yourself that and you will end up in torment.
So, are you convinced that one minute after you die you'll (hopefully) be in heaven and meeting Jesus? Are you aware that the apostle Paul taught we'll meet Jesus _after_ we have been resurrected, and that we won't be resurrected until Jesus returns? Consider for yourself what Paul wrote in 1 Thessalonians 4:16,17:
"For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord."
That's right. Paul did not teach we go to heaven when we die.
A few will immediately say "Hey, wait, didn't Paul say (re: Phil 1:23) he'd prefer to 'depart, and be with Christ'"? Yes, he did say that. But if you think Paul thought he'd meet Christ _when he died,_ then Paul must have made a mistake about meeting Christ after our resurrection at Jesus' return.
The _assumption_ that Paul thought he'd meet Jesus when he died is the problem. Paul knew, from the Bible, that when we die our "thoughts perish." Psalm 146:4 describes death:
"His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish."
We go _to the grave_ when we die and our "thoughts perish" - our consciousness stops. We remain in the grave until we are resurrected. While in the grave we have no consciousness and do not experience the passage of time. When the elect are resurrected at Jesus' return (as Paul described in 1 Cor 15:50-54 and 1 Thess 4:13-17) their consciousness returns and _then_ they meet Christ. It will _seem to them_ like no time had passed since their last conscious moment at death. After departing in death, the next thing Paul would know was that he had been resurrected and was meeting Christ. That's what Paul was referring to when he wrote "For I am in a strait betwixt two, having a desire to depart, and to be with Christ; which is far better" (Phil 1:23).
Paul did not believe we go to heaven and meet Christ when we die. No, Paul himself clearly taught that we remain in the grave, "asleep in Jesus," until resurrected, and will meet Christ after we are resurrected:
"For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him.
For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord." (1 Thessalonians 4:14-17)
Jesus said "And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven" (John 3:13).
That's right. Abraham, Moses, David, Elijah and the prophets have not gone to heaven. Peter even confirmed David was still in the tomb when he said "Men and brethren, let me freely speak unto you of the patriarch David, that he is both dead and buried, and his sepulchre is with us unto this day . . . For David is not ascended into the heavens: but he saith himself, The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou on my right hand" (Acts 2:29,34). They're all still in the grave, waiting for their resurrection at Jesus' return.
Bible//// But we know from the testimony of those that have had NDEs that the souls are not asleep. 1 Samuel 28 :15 "Samuel said to Saul" Samuel was not asleep.
Is it even reasonable to accept the "testimonies" of people who were borderline conscious/functioning as "proof" of anything? So-called NDEs are not good sources of information.
Samuel was dead and is still dead. The vision of Samuel called up by the witch/fortune-teller was just that: a vision.
Nowhere have I said anything about "soul sleep." The idea that you have an immortal soul - always alive and conscious, always existing somewhere - comes from pagan doctrine and is at the root of the "soul sleep" controversy. Here is a quote from the pagan philosopher Plato; this is an example of where the "immortal soul" doctrine comes from:
_"Do we believe that there is such a thing as death? And is this anything but the separation of soul and body? And being dead is the attainment of this separation; when the soul exists in herself, and is parted from the body and the body is parted from the soul . . . is not the conclusion of the whole matter this? - that the soul is in the very likeness of the divine, and immortal, and intelligible, and uniform, and indissoluble, and unchangeable; and the body is in the very likeness of the human, and mortal, and unintelligible, and multiform, and dissoluble, and changeable . . . beyond question the soul is immortal and imperishable, and our souls will truly exist in another world!"_ ( Plato, in _Phaedo,_ about 360 BC)
We don't _have_ immortal souls. In the Bible we _are_ souls, but with a different definition: our soul is our being, our self, started when God gave us the breath of life (Genesis 2:7). God knows every detail about each of us, body and self, down to the number hairs we have. Our soul - our self, our "being" - is not immortal and can be terminated by God. Jesus said so:
*"And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell"* (Matthew 10:28).
"Destroy" is from the Greek word ἀπόλλυμι ("apollumi") and means just that: fully destroy. "Hell" is from the Greek _geenna,_ a reference to the dump outside Jerusalem. Jesus likened the fate of the unsaved to being thrown into the _geenna_ dump, for permanent, final destruction. It wil be end of their bodies and of their selves: they won't exist any more:
"For yet a little while, and the wicked shall not be: yea, thou shalt diligently consider his place, and it shall not be." (Psalm 37:10)
"When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is that *they shall be destroyed for ever"* (Psalms 92:7).
"The way of the LORD is strength to the upright: but *destruction* shall be to the workers of iniquity" (Proverbs 10:29).
"As the whirlwind passeth, *so is the wicked no more:* but the righteous is an everlasting foundation" (Proverbs 10:25).
"Knowest thou not this of old, since man was placed upon earth, That the triumphing of the wicked is short, and the joy of the hypocrite but for a moment? Though his excellency mount up to the heavens, and his head reach unto the clouds; Yet *he shall perish for ever* like his own dung: they which have seen him shall say, Where is he?" (Job 20:4-7).
In Matthew 25:46 Jesus describes the fate of the unsaved:
"And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the righteous into life eternal."
When a criminal is executed, his punishment is not "everlasting" in the sense of being ongoing, perpetual punishing. No, the punishment is "everlasting" in the sense that it is permanent, complete and final, standing forever. It will be the same for the unsaved; they will be destroyed - figuratively thrown into the dump, the "lake of fire" - and that will be the end of them. Their punishment is done and stands forever; it is not eternally ongoing punishing.
The words "permanent" and "final" are actually never used in the KJV; "everlasting" is often used instead. Beware of assuming "everlasting" means perpetual, ongoing, and unending and never means permanent, finished, done for all time.
The Bible Says You are either mistaken or you are lying - if there is no place of torment for those who die rejecting God's gift of salvation through Jesus our Saviour, God's only Son and they are only annihilated then why did Jesus willingly die such a horrendous death to save us. Your assertions are heresy and you must repent and stop teaching this lie. Keep in mind Luke 16:19ff.
Jesus Way Truth Life: Jesus died to make a ransom available, His life for ours, His death in place of ours (Matthew 20:28). With that ransom Jesus can and will redeem us from the death penalty we have each already earned for sin (Romans 6:23) - IF we will choose to repent, _forsake sin that earned the death penalty to begin with._ Without redemption we each remain hopelessly doomed to perish in death for our past sins.
Redemption is GRACE; it is mercy shown on those who confess and forsake sin. *"He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy"* (Proverbs 28:13). Without choosing, committing, to forsake sin we have no grace, no redemption from the death penalty already earned for past sin. And we will surely perish in death as the "wages" of those past sins (Romans 6:23). That's why Jesus warned: *"except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish"* (Luke 13:5).
We do not have immortal souls. The immortal soul is a lie, started when Satan said *"ye shall not surely die"* (Gen 3:4). *"For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord."* (Romans 6:23). _Death_ . . . not eternal life in torment. *Salvation is not about, and never was about - **_where_** you'll spend eternity. You will not even **_have_** an eternity - of any sort any where - unless you receive from God the gift of eternal life!*
The entire paradigm of eternal life either in hell or heaven is based on the false premise that we have immortal souls which therefore have to live someplace forever.
The parable of Lazarus and the rich man is about belief and repentance. Believing Gentiles (Lazarus) will take the place of the unrepentant rich man - Israel including the Jews - who were rich owing to their covenant with God, promising them national blessings. The Gentiles had been "outside the rich man's gate" - outside of the promises.
My UA-cam channel has videos about Lazarus and the rich man, hell, the immortal soul etc.
Soul sleeping is found nowhere in the bible and is false doctrine. Our soul is automatically released upon death. 2 Corinthians 8: We are confident, I say, and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the LORD.