Michael Phelps' Secret Catch
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- Опубліковано 31 лип 2012
- In swimming, does the deep catch or sculling stroke propel swimmers faster? More information can be found at www.insidescience.org/?q=conte....
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Total click bait title
This video has nothing to do with Phelps at all, just a click bait. Also, very flawed "research" at best. The deep catch may create more propulsion but also creates a lot more frontal drag in the water, decrease the swimmer's overall efficiency. That's why only sprinters can sustain the deep catch in short bursts, all long distance swimmers use high elbow.
Yeah, I agree with, although I am really just a newbie. I was taught TI some years ago and have been perfecting the stroke. Nowhere is the deep catch ever mentioned in TI videos. So, this video seems without real content.
This is very true. With the deep catch, there is just more strain on the ligaments & more.
More propulsion will necessarily mean more 'stress' somewhere, as noted by other commenters....physics does not allow for more output without more input/less resistance---without "stressing" something---in this case deltoid and rotator cuff ligaments. For example, you can re-tune a car's engine to increase output, but if the transmission is not matched to the new output it will not handle loads placed upon it and fail. Human anatomy and muscle physiology, however, are infinitely more complex and involve multifactorial considerations for optimization, some of which will be basic engineering studies like this one.
Would've been nice had they shown a slow motion underwater video of Michael's stroke. Near the end, the speaker "mentioned" Phelps had a combination of the two styles. But no discussion of the success.
While extremely efficient, this technique applied with significant force over and over, is tough on the rotator cuffs! Take care of those shoulders!
Im a bit confused. Does Phelps swim on his core or his arms?
Totally! What scientists did not take into account was limitations of human body, concretely the shoulders, our arms are not paddles common and shoulders can be really f***ed up from applying too much force over time - so in the end high elbow uses more big muscle groups and is much more safer and efficient way of swimming after all. This is only sprinters thing I guess
Flawed study. True, a deep catch exposes more surface area to push water. However, a deep catch works on the shoulder and upper arm muscles. Elevated elbow stroke works on bigger and stronger back muscles. Furthermore, a deep catch in freestyle will eventually damage your shoulders. A deep catch is wrong. Michael Phelps does some of it because his back is extremely strong and so are his shoulder and arm muscles. Therefore, he can stand to do a lower catch. Do it yourself at your own (shoulder) peril.
That's not true. The deep catch from your elbow above is pretty inefficient and creates drag. The reason why is because your hand and lower part of your arm moves at a higher angular speed and pushes you forward at a higher speed compared to your upper arm angular speed. Phelps catch is not deep nor high elbow. It's a mix. The point is to find the sweet spot in a mix move and that requires lot of practice.
But Phelps doesn't use a deep catch: ua-cam.com/video/hvbGrfpCsjo/v-deo.html
Deep catch is for sprinting, where total connection with the water matters more, plus the moment arm is longer. High elbow is for distance, where efficiency matters, drag reduced as max thrust is reduced. It's not quite reasonable these days to train swimmers to do deep catch while swimming 400s in practice, it will be more tiring.
its all about raw muscle power, try this experiment move an object with bent arm and straight arm, obviously moving an object with bent is much easier
Sorry, I was originally trained using the S pull method with a concentration of pulling with my hands. That was over twenty years ago. Now I scull through the water concentrating on pulling water with an L shape from my forearm to my shoulder. The deeper the sculling, the harder the swim will be for the upper shoulders. You can't do this for long distance swimming. Swimmers that abuse the upper arm pull become landlubbers because they've ruined their swimming muscles from the connections to the bones. Try talking to five-time Olympic champion Missy Franklin why she had to retire in December 2018. She tore her rotator cuff too many times. She was only 23!!!
Deep catch is useless if we wasn´t so physical gifted, which means he has a high VO2 max (80% genetic), less production of lactic acid, better recovery times etc. He was trained in resistance swimming when he was pretty young, making his heart bigger and stronger, that´s the real secret. In the end, is the internal engine what is important for a pro-athlete.
Exactly. Every pro knows the techniques and is strong and has a feel for water. Its other things that separates the best from the pros. Its the same with Cristiano Ronaldo.
exactly. useless video
50 and hundred freestyle you should have a deeper catch something that should come natural with moving your arms faster and not rolling as much. high elbow/ takes less energy and is meant for certain people in the 100 freestyle but mostly for freestyle 200+ events
Click bait. Be careful when choosing the right technique, it depends on what types of swimmers you are
Whats with the voice at the end!
What's better for a long distance test?
Daniel Andrade ik im training long distance, dont know if i should go long and strong or big faster
who can explain what "deep" catch means?
Why are they starting Michael Phelps, they should be studying Nathan Adrian, Anthony Irving, Cesar Cielo, flooring man to do, and people like that (I am too lazy to write this by myself so I did voice typing so some names are spelled wrong and I'm too lazy to switch them)
why does it matter they are all great
Minden idők legnagyobb csalója!
it's like they disregard the fact that michael is 6.3 ft tall, and extremely taleneted in terms of endurance.
Flat palm is better than a cupped palm
human body is not a mechanic creature.
This is not a secret. That’s how you swim faster.
I've swum in this pool
Irrelevant title and sculling, or what used to be called S shape arm path, is still the most effective overall action, except perhaps in 50m flat sprint where some interesting variants on classic arm motion can be seen. Guess what arm path the modern swimming greats like Thorpe Phelps Sun Yang or Lochte are using, its not deep catch straight back for sure! You will lose some of your grip on the water without sculling action and the human body shape doesnt really allow straight actions anyway.
His secret was Gabapentin. Perfect drug for Restless legs, cramps. Experts said no one could recover quick enough between races too win all the gold medals.. in steps a central nervous depressant, pain killer..
unfortunately you cant just analyse catch or skull in isolation as the power is generated by the entire body rotation and core. So looking at these two inputs in isolation from what the rest of the body is doing is COMPLETELY USELESS.
What about EVF vs the deep catch? Don't the best swimmers use the EVF nowadays?
+Allen Hoang yes
Yep. ua-cam.com/video/_DL0aOgOwwg/v-deo.html
So...useless?