Everybody's too hard on Nierman. I feel like the big twist here points less to the player being a monster and more to complete and total moral ambiguity. Would he have been a good person if he let his daughter (for all he know) be kidnapped or die?
It's really more about the fallout of 9/11, the Iraq war. When, as Taro said, news even in Japan kept reporting about attacks there and how who we sympathise with the side (you know, 'mericans who lost a lot of civilians in a sudden attack nobody expected) which does objectively terrible stuff during said war (civilian casualties and stuff). Again, I think it's best to actually watch the interview and draw your own conclusions, whether you agree or not, than to keep repeating Liam's word of mouth.
I just don't really like how abstruse the game gets about struggling to paint your side as the bad guys. Oh look, turns out the fucking WOLVES were TALKING ABOUT MAKING PEACE and then an evil bad guy human murdered the baby wolves oh no. It's just such shallow trite writing.
What is it with all these people saying "you were the villain all along" and how it's stupid. That's not at all the message I got in any of the stuff happening until now. It's about questioning the concept of good and evil and the beliefs of individuals. It's not all black and white. Someone who does horrible stuff is not automatically evil, especially if not knowing any better. It's about tragic misunderstanding and how many conflicts int eh world will be resolved in a bloody way instead of the objectively better peaceful variant. Because that's just not how it works in the world. It's not so easy.
This is a pretty interesting case. Nier is a good guy on playthrough A because he's a man that would do anything to protect his daughter. In the subsequent playthroughs, you find out he's the bad guy because he would do *_anything_* to protect his daughter
welcome back to super best lore cast: the entire world of nier up to the ballroom is actually an illusion. it's implied in grimior nier that niers world is actually a huge under ground bunker, thousands of miles deep n long which resembles a room made by HG Geiger, covered in techno magic cables that all come from the memory tree. everything is an illusion up to the ballroom which is how you have talking pigeons, ghost dancers, and a world where the Sun never sets. this underworld is theoried to simulate the pre-salt world where shades can walk around with out dying because for some reason the real soon actually kills them, hence gestalt yonah killing herself by going into the light.
Griffith as a fronntman Dio on guitar (can you imagine the riffs on timestops) Nier on drums since he's a fucking animal Homura on bass (same reason as Dio)
Griffith only wants to use the band to further his own solo career. DIO thinks he should be the actual frontman. Nier won't stop trying to let his daughter open for the band at all of their gigs. And Homura wants the band to stay Indie so she refuses to let anyone sign a contract.
Furthermore, I'm probably in the minority and think that D is actually the happiest (combined with a little bit of context you get at the end credits of ending... B, I think).
D ending really can be considered the happiest considering the novel addition that gives a story of the Memory Tree doing something that saves a previously assumed dead character too....too bad the loss of the shades on the island you're on means everyone's gonna start getting scrawl....that and those damn aliens. . But hey, considering Automata claims some humans survived and live ont eh moon now it's safe to guess the plan didnt go as all kinds of wrong on all the remaining parts of Earth as they did on Nier and friend's little islet.
Can you imagine if as a final plot twist, the Shadowlord goes, "Oh btw, I trained my minions Shades to blabber about how they're actually people and super sad stuff as psychological warfare. We're all actually super fucking evil here. I actually ate 4 kittens this morning, and that P-33 guy enjoys kick old ladies and to take up two parking spaces with his Audi. We're all super fucking evil here."
Yoko Taro: "Aha! See?! You four are *MONSTERS*! Just as I planned!!!" Kaine: "Fuck you. " Yoko Taro: "Huh...?" Emil: "You set us up in a doomed situation where we had almost none of the information; and even if we did know from the start, there's still the fact that any scenario in which both sides can't stay their hand is bound to be morally ambiguous regardless." Lucky Ted: "Talk English, Emil!" Weiss: "He's saying that this man's use of 'perspective' isn't all that damning towards us as characters at all." Lucky Ted: "I still don't get it." Kaine: "He's spouting bullshit." Lucky Ted: "Now *that* I understand. It's not all black and white Yoko Taro!" Emil: "Or Weiss and Noir." Lucky Ted: "Shut up, Emil." Yoko Taro: "Masaka! You're supposed to feel terrible about yourselves!" Kaine: "Not this time, dumbass." Popola: "No one ever stops!" All: "SHUT UP!"
Kaine did have the info. Nier didn't stop when he received the info. Also that's the point, nier is supposed to be like an extremist terrorist, with a limited perspective that thinks he's doing the right thing because he doesn't have all the data. the point isn't supposed to be that nier is a monster in the first place.
I get the message- I just also find it funny that we're supposed to feel guilty when we knew shit was fucked to begin with. I've already accepted this and am now waiting for shit to get even *more* fucked. How long will it be till that happens, again?
KING OF FACAAAADE ._. Also, did you know that when fight against Popodapolis, you can see Popola dancing on the stage while you fight Devola? Her dancing is even synched with the music! Thanks for that fun detail, Cavia~
Whoa, what!? Hang on... Edit: Yep, dancing Popola: watch?v=yEjOD9ik1nY That's a neat little detail. Kinda goofy considering how dark the story is at the moment, but it's still neat.
Thanatos388 Why not? It's a fun thing to add! There's also that bit where, if you visit the King's mansion after you save the kid, you can see the King spinning his mask around (and his advisor going "masks aren't meant to be spun." Poor guy XD)
***** Indeed! I was watching ChaosShadow's lets play while waiting for Liam/Pat to update and once I found out Popola danced, I couldn't believe my eyes. I was like: _really???_
+Edward "Ringbal" Desiderio Nope, but a purple death sphere created by a creepy skeleton man can... ... yes I know I'm replying to a 3 month old post. I just couldn't resist the temptation. ;-)
Time to knock out multiple weapon stories. Phoenix sword: This is an old story. A beautiful bird with brightly shining feathers lived silently and carefully in the depths of a forest. One day, a child abandoned as a burden wandered into the depths of the forest. The bird took pity on the starved and sunken child, and pecked off one of its feathers to give to the child. The child brought it back and pleased his relatives, and he was able to live with his family again. Hearing the story, people barged into the forest one after another, and told the beautiful bird of how poor, how unfortunate and how unrewarded they were. The beautiful bird took pity on them, and gave them one shining feather after another, and when it gave its last feather, the bird’s beautiful body was reduced to a sorry state. However the ugly bird did not have any regrets. The ugly bird that lost its feathers was freezing in the cold, and the child from before appeared in front of it. He told it that he was searching a brightly shining and beautiful bird to repay his debts. The ugly bird was overjoyed, and told the child of its desire. “That was me. Please, would you not keep me warm in your chest?” But the child merely took one glance at the ugly bird and called it a liar, killing it with a huge sword and eating the burnt bird, afterwards he continued to search for the beautiful bird. Phoenix Dagger: A girl was engaged to a man who roamed the battlefields. The girl held her belief, prayed in the mornings, at noon, on evenings, and hoped that the man would remain safe and sound. Maybe her straightforward prayers did reach - one night, a brightly shining bird appeared in her dreams and left her with these words. “The man shall return safe and sound.” At the bird’s whispered words, the faithful girl cried in joy. “However,” the brightly shining bird continued in its beautiful voice. “His heart won’t return.” Eventually, the man did come back alive, just as the bird predicted. With a plethora of scars across his formidable body and a beautiful stranger at his side. Even then, the girl ran towards the man, her heart filled with her love until this point. The man was surprised and embraced the girl, however, he eventually fell down. Standing beside the fallen man was the girl, her right hand grasping a blood-stained dagger, her left hand holding what resembled a red-black ripened fruit - the man’s heart. His heart shall never wander again. Standing in the pool of blood, the girl kissed the man’s heart with an expression of utmost fulfillment and intoxicated happiness, and gave a prayer of thanks. Iron Pipe: May 21st All the money is gone, because of the food inflation that caused the war. A lot of injured people helped me out at the church. Yonah is slimming down. I want to get her something good to eat. July 15th Some nice ladies were able to get us some food. They are homeless people like us, we can join any countries' salvation groups. They decided to let me go with them as well. Yonah is looking very lively today. August 1st The nice ladies were turned into black monsters by that book. I ran in fear. That old lady isn't human anymore. The adults were all lying. We can't get any money from them, nor can Yonah get any examination for her sickness. This city is barricaded by the high walls and there is no way out. I shouldn't have come here. August 5th It's very cold today. Summer is a lie. There is a white atmosphere. I decided to lose the monsters, so we hid in the supermarket. We ate some left-over canned food, but that's gone too. Yonah kept on coughing. I have a bad feeling about this.
All the talk about how Nierman is a horrible person for what he's doing, kinda forgets the previous playthrough. We sah the entire story from Nierman's POV. Was there any way he could've known all this? Could he avoid all this? He knew NOTHING, and was given nothing, and from the way everything was presented to him, he was fighting MONSTERS. Shades do kill people, they did attack him before he went all Genoside Jack on them. And Popola and Devola knew EVERYTHING and were guiding him along this exact path. They knew, he was killing people, they could've done something differently, but it's all their fault. And Kaine's for not sharing information about "hey, shades are sapient being and I can understand them". Cause, if Shades can understand Nierman and friends, and Kaine can understand them, they could have made a dialogue there and work out something. "Don't take my daughter?" Well, don't take MY daughter. Oh, we were intended to not have sapience and just be stand-ins? Well, YOU fucked up and we do have it. You think, we should just roll over and actually die for the sake of some race of people, that horribly fucked up?
nier is an analogy for a terrorist. thinks he's justified because of a limited perspective. It's usually considered acceptable to hate a bomber even if he is misguided
Actually, the first shades you meet as Nier in the game aren't hostile. Under no circumstance will they attack you, they just stand around. Nier's the one who kills them, and who knows how many others before the game even started. So by that point, it's established that the shades never really were a considerable threat and that from that point on, shades as a whole have more than enough reason to fear and attack Nier for what he's done. He also kills the shade that's capable of thinking and communicating in the forest of myth, even when it tries communicating with him and not fighting back.
Pat not noticing the statues made me finally realize his problem. He's so busy looking at everything in the distance that he doesn't see whats right in front of him. He literally stands on top of items and doesn't notice them because hes too busy looking at the sky.
to be honest, both sides are justified in a way that makes neither side evil. the shades don't view the people as beings with the right to live, and vice-versa. but both want to live, and with a lack of applicable communication between them, the only way to survive is you have to kill the thing that's attacking you. which means the ony REAL bad guy would be some one who understands both languages but does nothing to mitigate the misunderstanding... looking at you kaine.
Welcome to another episode of Nier did nothing wrong. In today's episode - wholesale slaughter of infants, killing people he knew for his whole life, letting the last monarch of a country die and worst of all, a fucking cliffhanger!
Man, that scream at the end juxtaposed over the calm, slightly sad town theme you've been hearing for the whole game...Shit gives me goosebumps no matter how many times I hear it.
I love how the entire plot of this game can just fucking crumble if the shadowlord told Popola and Devola to JUST FUCKING EXPLAIN THIS SHIT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!
Old video but I'll still throw this in for anybody rewatching (like me lol). The shades CANNOT let Nier through. The Shadowlord dying is a death sentence for all of humanity. Without him, the shades will relapse and go insane and when a Gestalt relapses, the corresponding Replicant contracts the Black Scrawl and dies as well. When Nier kills Shadowfax, he's basically doomed everyone to slowly die out. Including himself and his daughter. That sequence when the game throws a fuckton of enemies at you between skellyboys death and the last boss battle? That's humanity basically making its last stand to stop Nier, throwing absolutely everybody it has left at him. At that point, he absolutely knows about what they are. And he paints the walls with their blood. Curbstomps them because he's 100% set on his goal ('I need to save Yonah no matter what, there is nothing more important in the world') and looking back and going 'well... this isn't that great of an idea' just isn't a possibility anymore. Decent people can do terrible things when they think that they're in the right.
""they're just ghosts" meanwhile the shades are going all super robot wars on the dialog and stating htey will fight for the ones they love and that its their last stand
"You'll feel Scalebound when it's in your hands." Aww.... also I am just watching this playthrough now and it makes me wish Liam would come back so he and Pat would do Automata together.
For Weiss not understanding the shades: Weiss was designed for use by replicants. Noir was designed to be used by shades. In fact, the book papa Nier gets in the start, during salt-snow, is a copy of Weiss. It would make sense they wouldn't bother having him understand shades, since why bother when he isn't supposed to be used with them? As for the city appearing out of nowhere: my hypothesis is that the game area you are in is indoor, inside a shelter they made. Lost Shrine takes you out of the shelter, into the outside world. It would have to be a colossal structure, but would explain a fair bit. Finally: the Shadowlord is responsible for shades staying sane. If he dies, they ALL relapse and go insane. He is the only reason any of them are still sane. Neir is going in to kill the Shadowlord, so all the shades in the final area can choose to either throw themselves at this invader and hope they stop him, or watch as he literally murders their sanity and reason.
No, weiss was the decryption key, noir executes the process, and iirc nier was the template for a non-degrading soul. weiss wasn't"for replicants". That said, there's no reason he should have the same abilities as noir, noir is MUCH more complex and a completely different tool
Mille everything aside from the Shadowlord thing you said was incorrect. And no those werent Weiss clones they were Noir clones....you literally get an extreme close-up of his face and his voice.
You sure? It's been years since i read grimoire nier and could have sworn it was weiss clones. I'll take your word for it, since i cant recall well enough anyways. (I actually checked just now, it is indeed a noir clone. In my defense, I read grimoire nier originally as it was being translated, which was years ago, and haven't played nier since it came out) Having said that, there is nothing i know of that invalidates my hypothesis about the game taking place in a giant biodome or something similar isn't possible. There is no definitive proof, but that's why i called it a hypothesis. If you know of some place it states definitively that the game does indeed happen outside and not simply a biodome like structure I'd like to hear it, since i either missed it or managed to forget about it.
"Shouldn't Weiss be able to understand the Shades?" I think earlier, when they were talking about needing to understand the culture and perspective to really 'get' the language of the sand people, and that all the knowledge in the world wouldn't help without context, it applies to Shades as well, which is why Kaine can understand them, and the other three can't.
About FFXIII looking great back in 2010 and still pretty good today, it's not the only one, 2010 is the year where ps3 and xbox360 games started to be beautiful (Bayonetta, Castlevania Lords of Shadows, Alan Wake, Red dead Redemption, God of war III, Heavy Rain...)
"There can be no justice in the slaughter of innocence!" Says the figure who attacks Nier and then watches as the pods release harmful projectiles towards Nier and his companions. Sorry guys, but self defense harms so so much of this revelation. Unless someone's going to come up that proves everyone of those projectiles are tears or some sort of unintentional attack this isn't working at all.
Another thing about the garden that can be said is that maybe the reason you can see skyscrapers in the garden but not outside in the world is maybe because the world you've been playing in is a cage, almost like a ark for the outside world....just a thought.
"Why don't you just let me through, then." Because even if you don't kill them, you will doom them to an eternity of madness. They'll be alive, but they'll lose their sapience, like any other relapsed shade. Their choices are to stop you or die trying, or if they let you through they risk the death of humanity as they know it. They *know* that will happen if Lucky Ted succeeds.
honestly ending humanity screws over both sides. Sure the Replicants will have the world mroe or less to themselves but the instant the shades relapse or die the replicant made for them contracts scrawl and begins to shut down. And without Devola and Popola to direct it the Memory Tree cannot nearly as effectively produce new Replicants to replace the dead ones.
I think that's why she walked RIGHT PAST HIM in that one cutscene(that shit still gets me). If someone commits genocide in my honor, I wouldn't want to be associated with them either.
Vordox So if someone you thought was a good guy killed a whole bunch of people, women and children included, some fresh outta the womb, all in your name, you wouldn't hate them?
No, that was Yonah with Shade inside of her. So nothing strange there and I doubt the copy Yonah (Nier daughter)understands what's going on outside or in the world the same Nier knows shit and just headbutts every problem.
They finished recording so none of this matters but I still wanted to comment some things about the combat in case people wanted to know. The charge attack is a charge combo meaning every single hit in the normal combo can have a elemental charge to it. It's not useless on bosses, robots, or big shades at all and can sometimes finish them off in one blow. Very effective against boars and parents. Lances can only do Lightning elemental attacks. Heavy weapons are really good because they break through defense very easily which is why I say the Captain's Holy Spear is the best weapon in the game also black pearls spawn more frequently than eagle eggs. The only magic spell that is useless is Dark Execution because Whirlwind and Phantasm make it obsolete. Dark Wall is useful until you get huge because it creates a shield you can stand and fight behind or even a invincibility barrier if fully charged. Dark Lance is the most useful in boss fights but against MOST normal enemies it is trash once you get later abilities. The difference in magic orb colors is because Dark Glutton absorbs and discharges red magic energy so black magic is always a threat but if you eat enough red magic you do stupid high damage. Dark Phantasm attacks EVERY enemy in it's AoE and it slows down time making all group battles extremely trivialized.
And yet another episode of the game smacking your nose with a rolled-up newspaper to punish you for not being psychic and playing a linear action game that doesn't allow the player to affect the plot. BAD PLAYER. FEEL BAD.
Pat brings up a good point though. I can't be expected to hate Neir for killing babies if every other one of those babies he's encountered for 5 plus years has actively tried to kill him without remorse, ESPECIALLY when they can't communicate with him. Kaine is a shit for not at least trying to help the situation, but it's established early on that she was fucked up from the get go. If every shade Neir encountered in the temple simply quaked in fear and didn't try to attack him, then his merciless killing would make sense and be immoral (like Caim and the Child soldiers). But I can't bring myself to condemn a man for killing giant sphere monsters that shoot bullets at him, especially when the adult shades could just LET THEM THROUGH! Nier isn't an especially moral person, but nothing here really makes me think the shades have a moral highground. Fuck's sake, they botched the only chance to justify their existence to Neir by attacking him in the Airy.
Also, even if Nier decided to not attack them anymore and go home, the ultimate goal of the shades is to possess the Replicants and force their conciousness to live within their own bodies without being able to control them. He'd essentially be condemning all Replicants to a hellish existence if he stopped fighting.
I've read somewhere that at the beginning of the game, a lot of the small Shades don't actually attack you if you leave them alone. Besides, we don't really for how long this has been going on, so there might have been a point where Shades began to preemptively attack Replicants on sight. Also, I assumed that the Shades that hang around the town are completely relapsed. I mean, if I were a sane Shade, I'd probably stick to safer places, like the Lost Shrine.
the other problem of letting lucky ted through is that, if he kills the shadowlord, than ALL the shades are doomed to losing their minds as he's the only thing stopping the relapse, if what I heard is right. so it's EVEN WORSE for them if they let Ted through and he HAS to die.
All of this could have been prevented if Nierman hadn't hit Weiss hard enough for him to forget everything or if Weiss said something before he hit him.
I agree with Pat on the discussion of games at certain age making lasting impression, I don't think I will ever stop playing Def Jam FFNY. For me that game is a 10 on 10, you can only make 8 char per memory card, so I bought a third memory cards just so I could make more than 16 characters.
Man, I wish Automata warrants enough success to make a current gen port of Drakengard-Nier-Drakengard 3 trilogy, with some tweaks by Platinum. Even on a budget it would be a huge improvement.
I swear that if SE ports the original Nier as well as D3 on PS4, Imma die of happiness. I kinda wish that they do a Bayonetta (include Nier with Automata), but I'm pretty sure that's not gonna happen ._. Oh well
lusteraliaszero Ahhh, you raise a good point! I completely forgot about PS3 emulators! So many opportunities... so many games to play... must not think about it... drooool
Well, this is eastern storytelling, and if papa Plague thought me something about eastern storytelling, it's that if something isn't very logic and doesn't make a lot of sense, "just don't think about it".
Hmm, i thought on my playthroughs that the ball shades babies were the shades of babies, but looking at the dialogue now i guess they are actually the babies of shades. As in created while the shades have long been shades. Interesting.
Well, since the Shadowlord was around for 1300 years its' not unreasonable to think they could be both. After all, who wouldn't want to save their baby from turning into salt?
The first time I experienced Nier is through The Dark Id's screenshot LP. I don't know if that's a better way to experience the game than actually playing it, and I feel bad for saying that.
Oh. Mother Goose. I get it. So. Popola and Devola just let Nier kill all these Shades? Weird. Do they see them as disposable? Do they just want them to weaken Nierman? The party were locked in. BABY MURDER YAY!
The comments are having a war about how justified Nierman was, but the like/dislike bar seems favourable. Weird. Anyway, my takeaway: It's easy to judge people on limited information. Nierman isn't entirely wrong in what he wants and the sane Shades aren't entirely right all the time. I will not attempt to justify Nierman's or my own deeds, but I won't lionise the Shadowlord and some other Shades. Like, even the Gestalt Yonah thought Shadowfax went too far. And Popola and Devola did a lot of harm, too. Sure, they're actions are probably limited due to being androids and programmed to view Replicants as needing to all lose their bodies, but still. And Nier's pretty bloodthirsty because he groups all Shades with Shadman. The whole game is basically taking a basic JRPG plot and asking what do the goblins and dragons think of the player character.
Noir and Weiss are inherently different pieces of software. like an encryption key and an OS, there's no reason they'd share attributes Also Weiss is damaged
It wasn't the replicants though, it was people who turned into living salt statues from White Chlorination Syndrome (aka forced pact from the final boss of Draknegard). And fuck yes, i want to see this in pictures, goddamn.
the soldiers that faced the Legion was made up mostly of attack androids actually i believe while the remaining humans hid in underground labs like the one under the manor. They did however create special human forces that were deployed alongside the machines in some cases...gotta take the fight to the red-eyes after all lol . I think the Legion persisted even after Project Gestalt and eventually the shades had to fight the war themselves. This apparently happened because a Replicant made a deal with a remaining portion of Grotesquirie to give back hsi dead lover or something to that effect...and she came back as a new red eye instead. Could be misremembering that last bit, but there was something about the legion, after being felled, just comes right back due to a lover making a foolish choice.
"I bet that boar is going to turn out to be Gandhi or something" - Pat
And not the Civilization one neither.
Mother Teresa with a bunch of babies strapped to her, basically.
Pat sees all
Pat kills all
"I dunno what it is about Scalebound but I'm just not feeling it"
"Maybe you'll feel it when it's in your hands"
"Maybe"
I cry
Me too -_'
Everybody's too hard on Nierman.
I feel like the big twist here points less to the player being a monster and more to complete and total moral ambiguity. Would he have been a good person if he let his daughter (for all he know) be kidnapped or die?
The point is that sometimes well-intentioned people do terrible things because of their beliefs. it was inspired by 9/11
It's really more about the fallout of 9/11, the Iraq war. When, as Taro said, news even in Japan kept reporting about attacks there and how who we sympathise with the side (you know, 'mericans who lost a lot of civilians in a sudden attack nobody expected) which does objectively terrible stuff during said war (civilian casualties and stuff).
Again, I think it's best to actually watch the interview and draw your own conclusions, whether you agree or not, than to keep repeating Liam's word of mouth.
I just don't really like how abstruse the game gets about struggling to paint your side as the bad guys.
Oh look, turns out the fucking WOLVES were TALKING ABOUT MAKING PEACE and then an evil bad guy human murdered the baby wolves oh no.
It's just such shallow trite writing.
What is it with all these people saying "you were the villain all along" and how it's stupid. That's not at all the message I got in any of the stuff happening until now. It's about questioning the concept of good and evil and the beliefs of individuals. It's not all black and white. Someone who does horrible stuff is not automatically evil, especially if not knowing any better. It's about tragic misunderstanding and how many conflicts int eh world will be resolved in a bloody way instead of the objectively better peaceful variant. Because that's just not how it works in the world. It's not so easy.
This is a pretty interesting case.
Nier is a good guy on playthrough A because he's a man that would do anything to protect his daughter.
In the subsequent playthroughs, you find out he's the bad guy because he would do *_anything_* to protect his daughter
"I wonder what their deal is. Are they ghosts?"
The shades: "WE ARE SHADES"
Strategy guide: "They are shades"
"Yeah, I guess they're just ghosts."
welcome back to super best lore cast: the entire world of nier up to the ballroom is actually an illusion. it's implied in grimior nier that niers world is actually a huge under ground bunker, thousands of miles deep n long which resembles a room made by HG Geiger, covered in techno magic cables that all come from the memory tree. everything is an illusion up to the ballroom which is how you have talking pigeons, ghost dancers, and a world where the Sun never sets. this underworld is theoried to simulate the pre-salt world where shades can walk around with out dying because for some reason the real soon actually kills them, hence gestalt yonah killing herself by going into the light.
That explains why the Shades can walk in the light.
I was wondering about that.
Shades are vampires confirmed.
They die in the lost shrine and on the fields from strong sunlight too, on the fields in only happens during the brightest setting tough
Nier, Griffith, DIO and Akemi Homura should form a band called Nothing Wrong.
Griffith as a fronntman
Dio on guitar (can you imagine the riffs on timestops)
Nier on drums since he's a fucking animal
Homura on bass (same reason as Dio)
In all seriousness, that's a kickass band name.
The fans never forgave Frontman Griffith for leaving and therefore leading to dissolution of Band of the Hawk.
what about yoshikage kira he did nothing worng
Griffith only wants to use the band to further his own solo career. DIO thinks he should be the actual frontman. Nier won't stop trying to let his daughter open for the band at all of their gigs. And Homura wants the band to stay Indie so she refuses to let anyone sign a contract.
Welcome back to 'Oh god I should have stopped at the first ending...'
Actaully the second ending is probably the happiest one, all things considered.
Furthermore, I'm probably in the minority and think that D is actually the happiest (combined with a little bit of context you get at the end credits of ending... B, I think).
D ending really can be considered the happiest considering the novel addition that gives a story of the Memory Tree doing something that saves a previously assumed dead character too....too bad the loss of the shades on the island you're on means everyone's gonna start getting scrawl....that and those damn aliens.
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But hey, considering Automata claims some humans survived and live ont eh moon now it's safe to guess the plan didnt go as all kinds of wrong on all the remaining parts of Earth as they did on Nier and friend's little islet.
Can you imagine if as a final plot twist, the Shadowlord goes, "Oh btw, I trained my minions Shades to blabber about how they're actually people and super sad stuff as psychological warfare. We're all actually super fucking evil here. I actually ate 4 kittens this morning, and that P-33 guy enjoys kick old ladies and to take up two parking spaces with his Audi. We're all super fucking evil here."
Pat is literally killing babies. This must be his favorite game of the decade.
Man, if that's what he's into, drakengard 1 is his JAM
Yoko Taro: "Aha! See?! You four are *MONSTERS*! Just as I planned!!!"
Kaine: "Fuck you. "
Yoko Taro: "Huh...?"
Emil: "You set us up in a doomed situation where we had almost none of the information; and even if we did know from the start, there's still the fact that any scenario in which both sides can't stay their hand is bound to be morally ambiguous regardless."
Lucky Ted: "Talk English, Emil!"
Weiss: "He's saying that this man's use of 'perspective' isn't all that damning towards us as characters at all."
Lucky Ted: "I still don't get it."
Kaine: "He's spouting bullshit."
Lucky Ted: "Now *that* I understand. It's not all black and white Yoko Taro!"
Emil: "Or Weiss and Noir."
Lucky Ted: "Shut up, Emil."
Yoko Taro: "Masaka! You're supposed to feel terrible about yourselves!"
Kaine: "Not this time, dumbass."
Popola: "No one ever stops!"
All: "SHUT UP!"
Kaine did have the info. Nier didn't stop when he received the info.
Also that's the point, nier is supposed to be like an extremist terrorist, with a limited perspective that thinks he's doing the right thing because he doesn't have all the data. the point isn't supposed to be that nier is a monster in the first place.
Alexander Horta m-me? don't be mean.
I get the message- I just also find it funny that we're supposed to feel guilty when we knew shit was fucked to begin with. I've already accepted this and am now waiting for shit to get even *more* fucked. How long will it be till that happens, again?
Alexander Horta Also, don't be rude. We're trying to discuss gen-nier-cide, here.
Roflcopter_launchpad 111 no, you're not supposed to feel guilty. not necessarily at least.
another episode of depression quest
It only strengthens us for Sadness.
+Edward 'Ringabal' Desiderio I got to much rage fore sadness to effect me.
Take your medication!
Nier Another Episode: Despair Girls.
Welcome back to the Undertale Genocide Route
KING OF FACAAAADE ._.
Also, did you know that when fight against Popodapolis, you can see Popola dancing on the stage while you fight Devola? Her dancing is even synched with the music! Thanks for that fun detail, Cavia~
Whoa, what!? Hang on...
Edit: Yep, dancing Popola: watch?v=yEjOD9ik1nY
That's a neat little detail. Kinda goofy considering how dark the story is at the moment, but it's still neat.
But why?
Thanatos388 Why not? It's a fun thing to add! There's also that bit where, if you visit the King's mansion after you save the kid, you can see the King spinning his mask around (and his advisor going "masks aren't meant to be spun." Poor guy XD)
***** Indeed! I was watching ChaosShadow's lets play while waiting for Liam/Pat to update and once I found out Popola danced, I couldn't believe my eyes. I was like: _really???_
Wow, I can't describe how much I love that detail and of course I completely missed it
Welcome back to: Nierman did 911
Salt can't melt steel beams.
Nierman IS 911
Plot twist it was all orchestrated by president Popola.
Welcome back to Pat enjoying 911
+Edward "Ringbal" Desiderio
Nope, but a purple death sphere created by a creepy skeleton man can...
... yes I know I'm replying to a 3 month old post. I just couldn't resist the temptation. ;-)
Time to knock out multiple weapon stories.
Phoenix sword:
This is an old story. A beautiful bird with brightly shining feathers lived silently and carefully in the depths of a forest.
One day, a child abandoned as a burden wandered into the depths of the
forest. The bird took pity on the starved and sunken child, and pecked
off one of its feathers to give to the child. The child brought it back
and pleased his relatives, and he was able to live with his family
again.
Hearing the story, people barged into the forest one after another, and
told the beautiful bird of how poor, how unfortunate and how unrewarded
they were. The beautiful bird took pity on them, and gave them one
shining feather after another, and when it gave its last feather, the
bird’s beautiful body was reduced to a sorry state. However the ugly
bird did not have any regrets.
The ugly bird that lost its feathers was freezing in the cold, and the
child from before appeared in front of it. He told it that he was
searching a brightly shining and beautiful bird to repay his debts. The
ugly bird was overjoyed, and told the child of its desire. “That was me.
Please, would you not keep me warm in your chest?” But the child merely
took one glance at the ugly bird and called it a liar, killing it with a
huge sword and eating the burnt bird, afterwards he continued to search
for the beautiful bird.
Phoenix Dagger:
A girl was engaged to a man who roamed the battlefields. The girl held
her belief, prayed in the mornings, at noon, on evenings, and hoped that
the man would remain safe and sound. Maybe her straightforward prayers
did reach - one night, a brightly shining bird appeared in her dreams
and left her with these words.
“The man shall return safe and sound.” At the bird’s whispered words,
the faithful girl cried in joy. “However,” the brightly shining bird
continued in its beautiful voice. “His heart won’t return.”
Eventually, the man did come back alive, just as the bird predicted.
With a plethora of scars across his formidable body and a beautiful
stranger at his side. Even then, the girl ran towards the man, her heart
filled with her love until this point.
The man was surprised and embraced the girl, however, he eventually fell
down. Standing beside the fallen man was the girl, her right hand
grasping a blood-stained dagger, her left hand holding what resembled a
red-black ripened fruit - the man’s heart. His heart shall never wander
again. Standing in the pool of blood, the girl kissed the man’s heart
with an expression of utmost fulfillment and intoxicated happiness, and
gave a prayer of thanks.
Iron Pipe:
May 21st
All the money is gone, because of the food inflation that caused the war.
A lot of injured people helped me out at the church.
Yonah is slimming down. I want to get her something good to eat.
July 15th
Some nice ladies were able to get us some food.
They are homeless people like us, we can join any countries' salvation groups.
They decided to let me go with them as well. Yonah is looking very lively today.
August 1st
The nice ladies were turned into black monsters by that book.
I ran in fear.
That old lady isn't human anymore.
The adults were all lying.
We can't get any money from them, nor can Yonah get any examination for her sickness.
This city is barricaded by the high walls and there is no way out.
I shouldn't have come here.
August 5th
It's very cold today. Summer is a lie. There is a white atmosphere.
I decided to lose the monsters, so we hid in the supermarket.
We ate some left-over canned food, but that's gone too.
Yonah kept on coughing. I have a bad feeling about this.
"how many shades have you killed?"
Nierman:"how many loafs of bread have you eaten?"
NIEEEEEEEEROOOOOOOO!
All the talk about how Nierman is a horrible person for what he's doing, kinda forgets the previous playthrough.
We sah the entire story from Nierman's POV. Was there any way he could've known all this? Could he avoid all this?
He knew NOTHING, and was given nothing, and from the way everything was presented to him, he was fighting MONSTERS.
Shades do kill people, they did attack him before he went all Genoside Jack on them. And Popola and Devola knew EVERYTHING and were guiding him along this exact path. They knew, he was killing people, they could've done something differently, but it's all their fault.
And Kaine's for not sharing information about "hey, shades are sapient being and I can understand them". Cause, if Shades can understand Nierman and friends, and Kaine can understand them, they could have made a dialogue there and work out something.
"Don't take my daughter?" Well, don't take MY daughter. Oh, we were intended to not have sapience and just be stand-ins? Well, YOU fucked up and we do have it. You think, we should just roll over and actually die for the sake of some race of people, that horribly fucked up?
nier is an analogy for a terrorist. thinks he's justified because of a limited perspective. It's usually considered acceptable to hate a bomber even if he is misguided
Actually, the first shades you meet as Nier in the game aren't hostile. Under no circumstance will they attack you, they just stand around. Nier's the one who kills them, and who knows how many others before the game even started. So by that point, it's established that the shades never really were a considerable threat and that from that point on, shades as a whole have more than enough reason to fear and attack Nier for what he's done. He also kills the shade that's capable of thinking and communicating in the forest of myth, even when it tries communicating with him and not fighting back.
Really, isn't Kaine the worst one?
Emil: "We just murdered an entire city of innocent people."
Kaine: "..."
Nier: "Eh, don't worry about it. It happens."
That final cut from the music change and Popola screaming to the ending card with the boss theme that just played was great.
"are they babies?"
shade: they are just babies, please stop! (pat and liam completely fail to notice that)
Pat not noticing the statues made me finally realize his problem. He's so busy looking at everything in the distance that he doesn't see whats right in front of him. He literally stands on top of items and doesn't notice them because hes too busy looking at the sky.
I'd argue that Noir is the gestalt book while Weiss is the replicant book, so only Noir can understand the shades.
to be honest, both sides are justified in a way that makes neither side evil. the shades don't view the people as beings with the right to live, and vice-versa. but both want to live, and with a lack of applicable communication between them, the only way to survive is you have to kill the thing that's attacking you. which means the ony REAL bad guy would be some one who understands both languages but does nothing to mitigate the misunderstanding... looking at you kaine.
"I'm sure you'll feel it when it's in your hands" -Liam about Scalebound, 2016
Welcome to another episode of Nier did nothing wrong. In today's episode - wholesale slaughter of infants, killing people he knew for his whole life, letting the last monarch of a country die and worst of all, a fucking cliffhanger!
So weird watching though this playthough for the first time.
A world where No Man's Sky wasn't released, and Scalebound wasn't cancelled.
Man, that scream at the end juxtaposed over the calm, slightly sad town theme you've been hearing for the whole game...Shit gives me goosebumps no matter how many times I hear it.
I love how the entire plot of this game can just fucking crumble if the shadowlord told Popola and Devola to JUST FUCKING EXPLAIN THIS SHIT IN THE FIRST PLACE!!
Old video but I'll still throw this in for anybody rewatching (like me lol).
The shades CANNOT let Nier through. The Shadowlord dying is a death sentence for all of humanity. Without him, the shades will relapse and go insane and when a Gestalt relapses, the corresponding Replicant contracts the Black Scrawl and dies as well. When Nier kills Shadowfax, he's basically doomed everyone to slowly die out. Including himself and his daughter.
That sequence when the game throws a fuckton of enemies at you between skellyboys death and the last boss battle? That's humanity basically making its last stand to stop Nier, throwing absolutely everybody it has left at him. At that point, he absolutely knows about what they are. And he paints the walls with their blood. Curbstomps them because he's 100% set on his goal ('I need to save Yonah no matter what, there is nothing more important in the world') and looking back and going 'well... this isn't that great of an idea' just isn't a possibility anymore.
Decent people can do terrible things when they think that they're in the right.
""they're just ghosts"
meanwhile the shades are going all super robot wars on the dialog and stating htey will fight for the ones they love and that its their last stand
Liam's comment about Pat probably enjoying Scalebound when it's in his hands is both sad and hilarious
Well, apparently neither did Microsoft feel it about Scalebound.
"You'll feel Scalebound when it's in your hands." Aww....
also I am just watching this playthrough now and it makes me wish Liam would come back so he and Pat would do Automata together.
For Weiss not understanding the shades: Weiss was designed for use by replicants. Noir was designed to be used by shades. In fact, the book papa Nier gets in the start, during salt-snow, is a copy of Weiss. It would make sense they wouldn't bother having him understand shades, since why bother when he isn't supposed to be used with them?
As for the city appearing out of nowhere: my hypothesis is that the game area you are in is indoor, inside a shelter they made. Lost Shrine takes you out of the shelter, into the outside world. It would have to be a colossal structure, but would explain a fair bit.
Finally: the Shadowlord is responsible for shades staying sane. If he dies, they ALL relapse and go insane. He is the only reason any of them are still sane. Neir is going in to kill the Shadowlord, so all the shades in the final area can choose to either throw themselves at this invader and hope they stop him, or watch as he literally murders their sanity and reason.
No, weiss was the decryption key, noir executes the process, and iirc nier was the template for a non-degrading soul. weiss wasn't"for replicants". That said, there's no reason he should have the same abilities as noir, noir is MUCH more complex and a completely different tool
Mille everything aside from the Shadowlord thing you said was incorrect. And no those werent Weiss clones they were Noir clones....you literally get an extreme close-up of his face and his voice.
You sure? It's been years since i read grimoire nier and could have sworn it was weiss clones. I'll take your word for it, since i cant recall well enough anyways. (I actually checked just now, it is indeed a noir clone. In my defense, I read grimoire nier originally as it was being translated, which was years ago, and haven't played nier since it came out)
Having said that, there is nothing i know of that invalidates my hypothesis about the game taking place in a giant biodome or something similar isn't possible. There is no definitive proof, but that's why i called it a hypothesis. If you know of some place it states definitively that the game does indeed happen outside and not simply a biodome like structure I'd like to hear it, since i either missed it or managed to forget about it.
Mille Feuille never even argued against that tho
sorry, was responding to nakumare. Yeah, it had been too long since i read how the books actually function and remembered some stuff wrong.
No, Liam. If EVERYONE let him through, there'd be no point to him killing anyone. All he wanted was his kid. That really was a totally easy solution.
Except the Shadowlord also wants his kid.
"Shouldn't Weiss be able to understand the Shades?"
I think earlier, when they were talking about needing to understand the culture and perspective to really 'get' the language of the sand people, and that all the knowledge in the world wouldn't help without context, it applies to Shades as well, which is why Kaine can understand them, and the other three can't.
Kaine can hear them because having a shade in her gives her that ability.
About FFXIII looking great back in 2010 and still pretty good today, it's not the only one, 2010 is the year where ps3 and xbox360 games started to be beautiful (Bayonetta, Castlevania Lords of Shadows, Alan Wake, Red dead Redemption, God of war III, Heavy Rain...)
"There can be no justice in the slaughter of innocence!" Says the figure who attacks Nier and then watches as the pods release harmful projectiles towards Nier and his companions. Sorry guys, but self defense harms so so much of this revelation. Unless someone's going to come up that proves everyone of those projectiles are tears or some sort of unintentional attack this isn't working at all.
The mother shade herself says "they're just babies, they're just attacking because they don't know any better" though.
you can tell this is dated because scalebound is still in development and not cancelled
Oh. I didn't realize the end was so Nierby.
Back to feeling dead inside.
Oh shit they called DevPop being in Automata
Ah man. It makes me sad hearing them talk about scalebound.
*NIER DID NOTHING WRONG: THE GAME*
last time i skipped this much content i called it re6
Another thing about the garden that can be said is that maybe the reason you can see skyscrapers in the garden but not outside in the world is maybe because the world you've been playing in is a cage, almost like a ark for the outside world....just a thought.
Almost at the ending!!!! And I totally noticed that almost smooch during my like 2nd or 3rd playthrough of this game.
"Why don't you just let me through, then." Because even if you don't kill them, you will doom them to an eternity of madness. They'll be alive, but they'll lose their sapience, like any other relapsed shade. Their choices are to stop you or die trying, or if they let you through they risk the death of humanity as they know it. They *know* that will happen if Lucky Ted succeeds.
honestly ending humanity screws over both sides. Sure the Replicants will have the world mroe or less to themselves but the instant the shades relapse or die the replicant made for them contracts scrawl and begins to shut down.
And without Devola and Popola to direct it the Memory Tree cannot nearly as effectively produce new Replicants to replace the dead ones.
Snip snip has evolved into super hard cut
The best sound to end this lp off with
final solution, the game.
SALT THE SHADES
RACE WAR NOW
EMIL DID NOTHING WRONG
Undertale, the surface chronicles.
0:17 I just wanted to say it was literally 3:55 in the afternoon when I started watching this.
Welcome back to the TRUE sadness LP
14:06 Do you know how many breads you've eaten in your life?
we now return to "a soulless ginger murdering virtual soulless gingers"
I bet that boar shade will return as a boss in the next game, that is if one of the ending does not feature its death.
There is cutscene that you get that shows the conclusion of the fight between the king and the boar
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Do you guys get the feeling that if Yonah knew what Nier did to get her back she would fucking despise her dad? 'Cause I kinda do.
I think that's why she walked RIGHT PAST HIM in that one cutscene(that shit still gets me). If someone commits genocide in my honor, I wouldn't want to be associated with them either.
The reason she walks past is because it's other, Shadowlord daughter Yonah, but yeah i doubt she'd be a fan of all this genocide.
No.wrong
Vordox So if someone you thought was a good guy killed a whole bunch of people, women and children included, some fresh outta the womb, all in your name, you wouldn't hate them?
No, that was Yonah with Shade inside of her. So nothing strange there and I doubt the copy Yonah (Nier daughter)understands what's going on outside or in the world the same Nier knows shit and just headbutts every problem.
well, you won't be feeling it pat
Emil looks like the goddamn Me Gusta meme
Oh god, cannot unsee.
They finished recording so none of this matters but I still wanted to comment some things about the combat in case people wanted to know.
The charge attack is a charge combo meaning every single hit in the normal combo can have a elemental charge to it. It's not useless on bosses, robots, or big shades at all and can sometimes finish them off in one blow. Very effective against boars and parents.
Lances can only do Lightning elemental attacks.
Heavy weapons are really good because they break through defense very easily which is why I say the Captain's Holy Spear is the best weapon in the game also black pearls spawn more frequently than eagle eggs.
The only magic spell that is useless is Dark Execution because Whirlwind and Phantasm make it obsolete. Dark Wall is useful until you get huge because it creates a shield you can stand and fight behind or even a invincibility barrier if fully charged. Dark Lance is the most useful in boss fights but against MOST normal enemies it is trash once you get later abilities.
The difference in magic orb colors is because Dark Glutton absorbs and discharges red magic energy so black magic is always a threat but if you eat enough red magic you do stupid high damage.
Dark Phantasm attacks EVERY enemy in it's AoE and it slows down time making all group battles extremely trivialized.
And yet another episode of the game smacking your nose with a rolled-up newspaper to punish you for not being psychic and playing a linear action game that doesn't allow the player to affect the plot. BAD PLAYER. FEEL BAD.
Maybe the Sun is always up, cause the area where they all live is just a HUGE building in the middle of the city!
Pat brings up a good point though. I can't be expected to hate Neir for killing babies if every other one of those babies he's encountered for 5 plus years has actively tried to kill him without remorse, ESPECIALLY when they can't communicate with him. Kaine is a shit for not at least trying to help the situation, but it's established early on that she was fucked up from the get go. If every shade Neir encountered in the temple simply quaked in fear and didn't try to attack him, then his merciless killing would make sense and be immoral (like Caim and the Child soldiers).
But I can't bring myself to condemn a man for killing giant sphere monsters that shoot bullets at him, especially when the adult shades could just LET THEM THROUGH! Nier isn't an especially moral person, but nothing here really makes me think the shades have a moral highground. Fuck's sake, they botched the only chance to justify their existence to Neir by attacking him in the Airy.
Also, even if Nier decided to not attack them anymore and go home, the ultimate goal of the shades is to possess the Replicants and force their conciousness to live within their own bodies without being able to control them. He'd essentially be condemning all Replicants to a hellish existence if he stopped fighting.
I've read somewhere that at the beginning of the game, a lot of the small Shades don't actually attack you if you leave them alone. Besides, we don't really for how long this has been going on, so there might have been a point where Shades began to preemptively attack Replicants on sight. Also, I assumed that the Shades that hang around the town are completely relapsed. I mean, if I were a sane Shade, I'd probably stick to safer places, like the Lost Shrine.
I had that experience when I played Drakengard 1. The mechanics was shit but the concept and dark story kept me going.
Dark Whirlwind is not terrible literally only once and it's because it breaks the boxes for you when running from the boar
Even if hes not in the video.
Happy Birthday Matt!!
Yep. Dinner's done, checked the feed and there's Nier yeyeyeyeyeyeyeeye
the other problem of letting lucky ted through is that, if he kills the shadowlord, than ALL the shades are doomed to losing their minds as he's the only thing stopping the relapse, if what I heard is right. so it's EVEN WORSE for them if they let Ted through and he HAS to die.
hearing them talk about scalebound being in their hands is fucking painful but hillarious.
you can't justify pig shaped baby armor.
“I don’t know what it is about Scalebound but I’m just not feeling it”
Yeah Pat, Microsoft didn’t feel it either...
these sad lords are mighty powerful
All of this could have been prevented if Nierman hadn't hit Weiss hard enough for him to forget everything or if Weiss said something before he hit him.
Welcome back to Dark Souls questlines
Getting that twits and crits ad only makes me want a creepy anime bullshit with Liam and Lawrence to happen even more.
I agree with Pat on the discussion of games at certain age making lasting impression, I don't think I will ever stop playing Def Jam FFNY. For me that game is a 10 on 10, you can only make 8 char per memory card, so I bought a third memory cards just so I could make more than 16 characters.
I can't fucking believe Pat missed Popola's dance during the fight... AGAIN!
Drakengard 3 main issue is the frame rate however it is much more fun to play than Drakengard 1
Man, I wish Automata warrants enough success to make a current gen port of Drakengard-Nier-Drakengard 3 trilogy, with some tweaks by Platinum. Even on a budget it would be a huge improvement.
I swear that if SE ports the original Nier as well as D3 on PS4, Imma die of happiness. I kinda wish that they do a Bayonetta (include Nier with Automata), but I'm pretty sure that's not gonna happen ._.
Oh well
Indeed, but almost anything is more fun to play than Drakengard 1.
Drakengard 3 will at the very least be a good time when ps3 emulation becomes better
lusteraliaszero Ahhh, you raise a good point! I completely forgot about PS3 emulators!
So many opportunities... so many games to play... must not think about it... drooool
Well, this is eastern storytelling, and if papa Plague thought me something about eastern storytelling, it's that if something isn't very logic and doesn't make a lot of sense, "just don't think about it".
Hmm, i thought on my playthroughs that the ball shades babies were the shades of babies, but looking at the dialogue now i guess they are actually the babies of shades. As in created while the shades have long been shades. Interesting.
Well, since the Shadowlord was around for 1300 years its' not unreasonable to think they could be both. After all, who wouldn't want to save their baby from turning into salt?
Those birds are likely disciples from Drakengard 3.
Pat still hasn't used dark phantasm the best AOE spell in the game. Also looks the coolest as well.
Kaine just cant get those fetuses put away
More cuts in this video, than me cutting for Harambe...
This better fucking be the prequel to the Automata LP.
Welcome back to "The balls have eyes".
WOO YEAH BRING BACK FARTGAS
Another episode of Nier and the Shadowlord did nothing wrong ever.
Especially the children.
Great... now I'm gonna wait 2 days to watch the shadowlord showdown...
emil is like the y u no guy XD
The first time I experienced Nier is through The Dark Id's screenshot LP. I don't know if that's a better way to experience the game than actually playing it, and I feel bad for saying that.
Oh.
Mother Goose. I get it.
So.
Popola and Devola just let Nier kill all these Shades? Weird. Do they see them as disposable? Do they just want them to weaken Nierman? The party were locked in.
BABY MURDER YAY!
The comments are having a war about how justified Nierman was, but the like/dislike bar seems favourable. Weird.
Anyway, my takeaway: It's easy to judge people on limited information. Nierman isn't entirely wrong in what he wants and the sane Shades aren't entirely right all the time. I will not attempt to justify Nierman's or my own deeds, but I won't lionise the Shadowlord and some other Shades. Like, even the Gestalt Yonah thought Shadowfax went too far. And Popola and Devola did a lot of harm, too. Sure, they're actions are probably limited due to being androids and programmed to view Replicants as needing to all lose their bodies, but still. And Nier's pretty bloodthirsty because he groups all Shades with Shadman.
The whole game is basically taking a basic JRPG plot and asking what do the goblins and dragons think of the player character.
Nier doesn't have any real reason NOT to group all Shades with the Shadaloo, though.
Furymgs3 You're right. With what he's seen and experienced, it's a reasonable conclusion.
Noir and Weiss are inherently different pieces of software. like an encryption key and an OS, there's no reason they'd share attributes
Also Weiss is damaged
DONT SKIP SHIT, there is new stuff even in these last cutscenes!
Was gonna watch this when it came out.....but then I got high?
HWAGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH! *awkward silence from pat then video cuts off*
phoenix spear not good enough to finnish both devola and popola in one episode
Undertale is mad decent.
I feel triggered after Liam said Justice and warriors in the same sentence
I wish we got the Nier back story game about the 1300 year war between the replicants and the Legions of God.
It wasn't the replicants though, it was people who turned into living salt statues from White Chlorination Syndrome (aka forced pact from the final boss of Draknegard). And fuck yes, i want to see this in pictures, goddamn.
+TidusplZUO I thought the monsters that made a pact with God became the Legion, while those who refused became salt.
I would just love to see that animated especially the side story that is all about how noir and Weiss became books
Right. Yes. Fuck my reading comprehension.
I'm still fairly sure that the ones fighting Legion were pure humans or something, not Replicants.
the soldiers that faced the Legion was made up mostly of attack androids actually i believe while the remaining humans hid in underground labs like the one under the manor. They did however create special human forces that were deployed alongside the machines in some cases...gotta take the fight to the red-eyes after all lol
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I think the Legion persisted even after Project Gestalt and eventually the shades had to fight the war themselves. This apparently happened because a Replicant made a deal with a remaining portion of Grotesquirie to give back hsi dead lover or something to that effect...and she came back as a new red eye instead. Could be misremembering that last bit, but there was something about the legion, after being felled, just comes right back due to a lover making a foolish choice.