Why Voyager | "Distant Origin"
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- Опубліковано 6 вер 2024
- Celebrating the 25th Anniversary of Star Trek: Voyager, this is one of 50 episode reviews of the 4th live-action series in the Star Trek franchise.
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The Voth had technology that even the Borg knew to avoid, and they had transwarp drive that could have taken them to Earth in a matter of days, if not hours.
This episode demonstrates that B.S. is a true universal constant.
Chakotay's speech ranks right behind the final log entry of Lt. John Kelly ("One Small Step") when he calls out to his father, facing death, knowing that his father won't be there to catch his son...one last time.
That one makes me cry...
I always loved this idea. There was SO much time for an intelligent species to evolve before us
Of all the Star Trek episodes ever, this is my favorite. Trek at its best!
It’s definitely top tier Trek!
This is in my top #3: *in the blink of an eye* and *emanations* !
One of the best episodes of the series. When issues found in the human condition can be found, connected, and related to in other species in space, is when Star Trek really shines.
You're right! There's so much more that I could've said about this episode. It's one of Voyager's greats!
@@CompletingTheShelf agreed. Another great one was the episode where Tuvok crash landed on the planet with the 3 children who were scared of the cave monster. Fantastic message about understanding different cultures and viewpoonts of aging and death
One of the most fascinating episodes ever. Imagine a Borg attack on earth and they come to the rescue. That would be mean
This is such a fantastic concept that’s so silly but done so well!
The Voth swooping in to save Earth, or any Earth-based ship or crew (better if its outta frickin' nowhere) is a stroke of cathartic genius. Lending gravity to an old and probably forgotten (by many Trekkies) storyline that could tie a great Voyager concept into one of the newer series while being beautifully humbling.
Seriously, as someone who appreciates every Trek series and movie from TOS to Discovery and Picard, now that I've read this i think it's essential.
@@CompletingTheShelf I don't think it's silly whatsoever and I wonder why you do, but I agree with everything else you said that its fantastic, excellently done and a great concept
@@jasonpye4649 Oh just the premise: dinosaurs in space is a silly seed from which this incredible story grew.
@@CompletingTheShelf if you put it like that and let people's minds wander where you don't want them to, yes some people might think it's silly. I still don't see the silly though from the concept/premise alone. This isn't Ray Harryhausen in the 1930s after all or better yet Sid and Marty Krofft; it could have been very silly or even cheesy from that perception. If you only say "dinosaurs in space", some idiots out there are going to go off the chain thinking of an actual fully-formed prehistoric Tyrannosaurus wearing a spacesuit with a bubble helmet from the 1950s sci-fi. But when I think of that premise, that cheesy thought is very much not what I think of first.
In my perspective, this episode was more about law and political power than it was about religion.
Yes the parallel here is Galileo before the inquisition.
But at one point one of the saurians mentions their law is based on this whole idea of being there first.
So even if you were open minded and could accept the Distant Origin theory, there were drastic changes that would have to be made to their law to accommodate this theory.
Oh, it is definitely about law and political power too! The danger is that they were unwilling to even entertain the theory. But isn't it great that an episode of TV can prompt a conversation on such a serious, meaningful issue?
@@CompletingTheShelf sure.
Our Planet Earth in our time line is dominated by three primary middle east cults... cultures that exterminated many other, older beliefs.
Some civilizations are far, far older... ancient and almost lost...
@@helpfulsysops3593 like the Sumerian perhaps?
@@CompletingTheShelf and yes, to think of the implications is quite impressive.
This episode and In the Blink of an Eye are my two favorites
I really need to see this species again!
Agreed!
It would be funny if another species of dinosaur also evolved sentience for example Utahraptors or Deinonychus for them to find the Voth Empire and have the urge to feast upon them because they heard that their ancestors fed upon similar hadrosaurs like them and for the Voth to ask Earth for their aid.
This is one of my favourite Star Trek episodes ever. I love the concept.
I'm glad Star Trek took the path it did instead of being all action adventure...
As a long time Trekkie, and just a fellow, I thought your point of view was thoughtful and one to the wise. :)
Thank you! There is no POV without the rich content Voyager gives us!
I saw this episode last night and it was very good and touching how at the end Gagen has to say he was mistaken in order to save Voyager and it's crew. What a great episode.🖖
This was the one of the best episodes in this series ever! Ive played Star Trek Online for years and I fought against the Voth Culture plenty of times
I wish we could see them in live action!
an intelligent story that evokes goosebumps. science fiction in its best sense. and one of the very best voyager episodes which could be the foundation for many more fantastic stories within the star trek universe. what, if the voth and the humans became allies in the - distant - future. there's so much potential for future writers in this little episode, the possibilities for new awesome stories are endless.
I agree wholeheartedly!
I always felt like this episode was a missed opportunity for the series to add another unique crew member to Voyager in the form of the Saurian scientist. Rather than being forced to rescind his beliefs to save the crew of Voyager, what if he was exiled for his 'heresy' instead? He could be allowed to travel with Janeway and act as a set of eyes for his people as Voyager makes the long journey back home. He could struggle with the crew, catch up on all of the discoveries the Federation has made, see the situation with his religious society being repeated throughout history and the universe like a cruel joke and realizing there was no way to open up his people to free thinking and see them as lost causes. And when he finally sees earth, the birthplace of his people, can you imagine the joy he would feel, the fulfillment of finally reaching the journey's end with Janeway and the others? He would have his irrefutable proof and the ability to call his people home, or at least those that were open to the possibility. Would be considered a hero or a heretic? We will never know, but we can dream.
If it's any consolation, Star Trek Online agrees, and you can get such a character to join your bridge crew when you play through the Voth story arc.
This was one of the best episodes in every aspect! 🖖❤️🖖
'One man's theology is another man's belly laugh.' (Robert Heinlein) Sometimes it's cruel as well as pointless to force them to question it.
People likes laugh at other people beliefs, doing that makes them feel more that what actually are.
There are three paleontological inconsistencies with this episode at about 1:21. They call the creature "Eryops" and claimed it was a reptile that lived in the Devonian period. Eryops was actually an labyrinthodont amphibian that lived during the late Carboniferous period to the early Permian period. The third inconsistency: the creature that was displayed in the holodeck wasn't an Eryops but looked like a Gorgonopsid. Just FYI
Fascinating.
Easily the best episode of Star Trek Voyager.
On a par with "City on the Edge of Forever" from TOS.
This is not only possibly the best episode of Voyager, but among the best from any Star Trek series.
This was my absolute favorite Voyager episode.
It’s pretty brilliant!
The Iguanodon had grasping hands
Man.... i sure hope future Star Trek series (during ST: Picard or, heck, even ST:Discovery) revisits the Voth........ or rather, see the Voth visiting Earth and making proper First Contact with the Alpha Quadrant. (you note, that I stop short of saying 'The Federation'...... because, if the Voth are revisited in ST:D, there probably isn't a 'Federation' anymore.... at least in the 32nd Century). But, should we see the Voth during ST:Picard's season(s), well hey........... alright! (I bite the bullet and get myself a subscription to CBS All Access!) (nah..... i just wait until it comes out on DVD/BluRay)
I love this idea! Voth in Discovery season 3!! I'd love that.
Voth helping the Federation remainings after the Burn
Huge plot hole.Why didn't they have any computer records on the ships that they launched from Earth in?They should have known their trajectory as a civilization with a technology level high enough for interstellar space flight, mere record keeping would be a simple task.Even if they landed somewhere and suffered the loss of tech for generations, they would know about the wreckage & that it was theirs.
Good point, however, somewhere in that time they abandoned the fact of being immigrants. The Voth deleted records and got rid of evidence.
I love this ep!
Me too! It’s profound!
@Completing the Shelf, this is one of my favorite episodes of Voyager.
I have an excellent alternate ending for Gagen the Saurian. Specifically, he, his wife, and his children seek asylum on the Voyager.
Imagine the technological improvements that Gagen could bring to the Voyager and to the Federation.
I’d totally be for that!!!
Even the human remains Voyager leaves behind can impact the Delta Quadrant. Maybe use cremation instead?
Really makes me wish the writers for Voyager could've created at least a few more scenes requiring Chakotay to deliver a big, inspirational, Picard-level speech.
Agreed!
Minister Odala was one bad lady. Gagen folded like a piece of paper.
コンピュータで作られた仮想人物であるドクターが、ホロデッキ内にいるって、実はもの凄い事ですよねえ！
でも、それは彼の家ようにですね？
definitely another one of my favorites!
I always skip this episode because it's so hard 2 watch Voyager & her crew get jerked around so readily! I completely agree with what he says in the video! I may skip it but that don't mean it don't make me think!
Religion, one in particular is responsible for the freedom to question. Careful of falling for what science has become a religion in itself. Perfect example is the saying don't question science. True science is questioning trying to disprove conjecture.
incredible video, good job!
Thank you!
Wonder how this species would have fared against the Borg?
Wow great video.
Thanks!
It's not about religion. I would say it's more about state religion. They treat people the same way if you dare question the "evidence" behind "climate change" (formally called global warming) and the numbers right now for COVID-19. I'm told over and over that this is doctrine - that the "science is settled."
Nice try.
Well done!
Thank you!
Dinosaurs in space. Makes more sense than Noah's arc which is 100% disproven
Who doesn't love irony! The fact that a devout Christian would make a video about alagory and proof is delightfully hilarious.
You've really cheered me up. Thanks 😂 🤣 😂
Faith without questioning is dead. We're fitted with reason to use it. :) Thanks for watching!
@@CompletingTheShelf maybe give it a go some time then? Thanks for the laughs... :-D
What would Q say??
Roar?
We don't know how old the Q Continuum is, or anything about their history. They may not even be from this dimension, let alone this galaxy.
This has to be one of the oldest species in StarTrek, right?
The aliens who seeded all humanoid life in the galaxy in "The Chase" are likely the oldest.
2nd to the Founders...remember when Odo asked the Female Changeling were ever like humanoids and she told him yes Eons ago...that equals Billions of years ago.
@@CompletingTheShelf That was among the best of TNG, along with 'Where No One Has Gone Before.'
@@howardwilliams8181 I always thought The Founders/Changelings were a surviving branch of the Originator race from 'The Chase.'
They sure do look a lot alike.
I wonder if they were raptors
A long time ago , some human did the seeding with a dinosaur.
Never even looked to say this but First!
Why would dinos evolve a humanoid body structure?
Why would that be necessary for intellectual evolution?
Darwin taught us that all animals evolve as a result of changes in their environment. Another factor may be that during the past 65 million years they learned how to manipulate their genome to adapt faster.
Myself, I think it a shame that the Voth only had one episode. There would have had to dedicate a team of writers to properly flesh out the Voth.
@@spaceflight1019 My question was more rhetorical.
There is a conceit among humans that
evolution leads to bipedalism and bipedalism leads to intelligence.
@@wheelinthesky300 , true enough, but as we saw in "Enterprise", the portrayal of the Aquatic species cost a ton of money to CGI. It just wasn't cost-effective.
why are the evo dinos speaking english?
Universal translators.
So the dinos were white christians "settlers."
I wouldn't call them that because of the circumstances that forced them to become an interstellar species.
Yes! Free volition the first institution of God.
Expressing your religious beliefs has caused me to not subscribe. I found it confusing and distracting, especially since Star Trek promotes and demonstrates through their ST characters that - in the future - humans have socially evolved to not need the many ignorance-based and fear-based social norms we have today - like the average person's belief in an imaginary god(s) that controls everything. Thousands of different gods, goddesses and various animals or objects have been worshipped by humans since we started trying to explain our world around us and how we fit in this world. Books of faith was ONE way to do that. If we could focus our efforts more on the ways ALL humans are the same and not keep pointing out how this group of people are different than theses groups of people, we maybe (one day) get to live the wonderful future we all could have and share, like the characters in ST. I realize that Science Fiction writers use contemporary issues like religious strife among cultures as a backdrop for their stories, but it may be better to decide if the goal of your channel is proselytizing or spending all of your efforts on talking about ST because you do great work and your writing is top-notch (better than mine). I'm not attacking your right to express yourself, but I also have the right not to come back. Peace.
Larry, I totally get your position and appreciate your comment. I can only be honest in my reaction to these episodes, and this one connects to my own experience as a believer. 🖖🏻
@@CompletingTheShelf Guys like Larry erroneously believe science & faith are intrinsically mutually exclusive. Edward Leakey the paleontologist was Christian, neither his faith nor his science got in the way of each other. Swedenborg was a brilliant scientist who was also deeply religious. Plenty of doctors, scientists, mathematicians, astronomers and IT people who are also religious.
This episode, was aside from a study of former World leaderships - it was also a harbinger parallel, for the Trump Administration, and how it handles science vs fact vs what nonsense works best for those in power.
Reeeeeeeeeee orange man bad every general moral truth was meant to specifically apply to the current situation
You sound like the people who keep citing various Simpsons episodes as having predicted the future.
All religion is by nature in opposition to science. Belief BEFORE fact. Faith is the antithesis to to the scientific method.
I respectfully disagree. Faith can and does work alongside reason. In fact, many scientists have been religious. More than that, reason itself can be said to be based upon an act of faith whereas it is impossible to prove that what our brains and senses tell us has any true connection to actual reality without relying upon our brains and senses to prove it. In other words, we cannot independently verify anything our brains and senses tell us and thus reason which relies upon what our brains and senses tell us is in fact dependent upon the leap of faith that what our brains and senses tell us are actually true.
@@josephbrown6906 Nope.
An objectively great and well-done episode. I'm sorry that you believe blindly in your particular religious texts, but to each his own. Appreciate your taste in Trek.
This episode is classic Star Trek propaganda.
Dinosaurs in space... and it's STILL less stupid than Threshold.
Not hard to grasp if you study archaeology and the cosmic timeline. For instance, look at the technological progress made by us, Anatomically Modern Humans, in the 300,000 years we've been around. By comparison, Neanderthal humans had 250,000 years before being replaced by AMHs.
The Voth had millions of years worth of evolution before the Chixlub event, plus 65 million years afterwards. Their way of life allowed them to survive, flourish, develop amazing tech, and prevent their society from falling into the kinds of decay that this far have defined our "civilization".
You lost me at "I believe in the inerrancy of scripture. "
It’s just my belief. 😁
@@CompletingTheShelf I understand that, my friend. I'm not trying to be a jerk. I would fight and die for your right to believe as you wish.
It just strikes me as a quite irrational and in many cases extremely dangerous belief. I mean, it's rather easy to prove a great many things written in those old texts as false.
You lost me at "I believe in the inerrancy of scripture. "