Again, I think Jennifer's take on the matter is so sound. She clearly has a good understanding of the balance between sharia, risk, reality on the ground, and tawakkul in Allah. Subhanallah!
In this day and age, I don’t think your complicating marriages by having prenups. With the feminist agenda and the woman taking half her husband’s wealth, I think it’s more important in this day and age to have a prenup.
You can also argue that men financially don't provide for their children after divorce. They only send a small amount of child maintenance which is nothing compared to the cost of their shelter, clothes, schooling etc.. should this also be included in the pre- nup? Would things not balance out to an extent?
This is a mockery of the religion . The niqabi says “I wanted an expensive breed cat.” Does she even know the practice of buying and selling cats was outlawed by the prophet pbuh. If you want to care for a cat , adopt one . There are so many that need a good home
I think if you are divorcee re-marrying and have children from previous marriage and considerable assets, it is natural to want to protect that for your children.
Pre-nups are absolutely necessary. If you want to marry with shariah than you need to divorce with shariah. If you want to marry "according to law of land" you need to divorce according to "law of the land". I know a few guys whose wives wanted to be "shariah wives" where they dont spend a single penny and hoard their own money away in their private bank account and then the husband is expected to pay for rent, food, clothes. bills all on his own.. Ok this is the shariah way. But then on divorce he doesn't get to keep his house according to shariah way, on divoce these women want to do it by "law of the land". Guys need to know this. No matter how pious a woman is, when it comes to divorce they are going to throw islam out of the window and want a secular divorce. A pre-nup sets out the rules of the marriage and divorce. So there are no switcharoos later.
I agree with what you have said. A lot of women are like that but doesn't it balance out. Men don't follow sharia laws after marriage either and never 100% fund their children's cost including shelter, clothing, food, schooling so if she gets some of his weath and pays for that does it not become fair again?
@@rsm5627 well then that's fair, if the couple mananged their finances in an unislamic way during the marriage then why not split the asset in unislmaic way in dovorce. but this is not what I'm taling about here. I know of a brother whose wife was so scrooge with her money (she had a job btw), where she would askthe husband to repay her for buying washing up liquid for the house. becasue that was his role to pay this. she didn't pay a pennt into the household 100% of the moeny came from the guy. now in divorce, she wants 50:50 of the guys assets.
I have my prenup with Allah. If hypothetically this or that etc I will be compensated for whatever anyone takes from me on the day of judgment. Either that or I will have something better as a reward for forgiving the person who took from me unjustly.
Jazakallah Khair for this conversation. Interestingly, upon much reflection, I think Desi's have better nailed this than others. The mahar may be low but the gifts for the woman are high. This way if the woman needs to return the mahar due to khula', she is returning back a low amount. My only qualm with gold is that I wish rather than gold it was £ gift, and I could've invested into Wahed or summa. The re-sale value of gold is rubbish. There's also maybe some unsaid expectation that the gold will be kept if all goes well to the next generation?
Thanks for the great content. I am a revert, my honest opinion is that Islamic divorce law leaves women vulnerable financially. In most cases women spend their lives looking after their families instead of pursuing careers. In the event that she wants to leave the marriage for any valid reason, or the husband decides to let her go, the woman is left with nothing, possibly with kids in tow. Just seems unbalanced.
Even after husband lets go of his wife, under islamic law he obligated to provide for his children. regardless they live with him or their Mother. secondly.. Allah has command man to give gift to women when u divorce her. women still can work, own business. But to take man wealth unjustly and forceing thru courts. is haraam
@farhan K wrong, mothers have rights over children but responsibility for child raising goes to the father. If they are over 7, then to the father and if younger than 7 to the mother but only if she remains unmarried.
It's good so that people don't renege on it and be unjust. The legal enforcement of it will help as deterrance esp. on popular issues like wealth during divorce or death of a spouse.
I don't actually know what Jennifer is talking about with natural separation, I've never heard of it and I've studied Islam and looked into marriage fiqh too. A pre-nup is allowed in the shariah so to me, it is tieing your camel to the needs of the time. The society we live in is not a safe one if marriage goes wrong.
What Nusaiba is saying isn’t good. A divorcee lady is much supported in uk. Doesn’t she know this? Then why is she asking for a prenuptial when she knows the money of her husband is his.
Again, I think Jennifer's take on the matter is so sound. She clearly has a good understanding of the balance between sharia, risk, reality on the ground, and tawakkul in Allah. Subhanallah!
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In this day and age, I don’t think your complicating marriages by having prenups. With the feminist agenda and the woman taking half her husband’s wealth, I think it’s more important in this day and age to have a prenup.
You can also argue that men financially don't provide for their children after divorce. They only send a small amount of child maintenance which is nothing compared to the cost of their shelter, clothes, schooling etc.. should this also be included in the pre- nup? Would things not balance out to an extent?
This is a mockery of the religion . The niqabi says “I wanted an expensive breed cat.” Does she even know the practice of buying and selling cats was outlawed by the prophet pbuh. If you want to care for a cat , adopt one . There are so many that need a good home
I think if you are divorcee re-marrying and have children from previous marriage and considerable assets, it is natural to want to protect that for your children.
Prenuptial to have your marriage in accordance to sunnah apposed to this kufr laws
Pre-nups are absolutely necessary.
If you want to marry with shariah than you need to divorce with shariah.
If you want to marry "according to law of land" you need to divorce according to "law of the land".
I know a few guys whose wives wanted to be "shariah wives" where they dont spend a single penny and hoard their own money away in their private bank account and then the husband is expected to pay for rent, food, clothes. bills all on his own.. Ok this is the shariah way. But then on divorce he doesn't get to keep his house according to shariah way, on divoce these women want to do it by "law of the land".
Guys need to know this. No matter how pious a woman is, when it comes to divorce they are going to throw islam out of the window and want a secular divorce.
A pre-nup sets out the rules of the marriage and divorce. So there are no switcharoos later.
I agree with what you have said. A lot of women are like that but doesn't it balance out. Men don't follow sharia laws after marriage either and never 100% fund their children's cost including shelter, clothing, food, schooling so if she gets some of his weath and pays for that does it not become fair again?
@@rsm5627 well then that's fair, if the couple mananged their finances in an unislamic way during the marriage then why not split the asset in unislmaic way in dovorce. but this is not what I'm taling about here.
I know of a brother whose wife was so scrooge with her money (she had a job btw), where she would askthe husband to repay her for buying washing up liquid for the house. becasue that was his role to pay this. she didn't pay a pennt into the household 100% of the moeny came from the guy.
now in divorce, she wants 50:50 of the guys assets.
@@rsm5627 No its haram and the children will be eating haram. The family will be destroyed consuming haram
Very good discussion. JazakAllah kheir 👍
I have my prenup with Allah. If hypothetically this or that etc I will be compensated for whatever anyone takes from me on the day of judgment. Either that or I will have something better as a reward for forgiving the person who took from me unjustly.
Jazakallah Khair for this conversation.
Interestingly, upon much reflection, I think Desi's have better nailed this than others. The mahar may be low but the gifts for the woman are high. This way if the woman needs to return the mahar due to khula', she is returning back a low amount.
My only qualm with gold is that I wish rather than gold it was £ gift, and I could've invested into Wahed or summa. The re-sale value of gold is rubbish. There's also maybe some unsaid expectation that the gold will be kept if all goes well to the next generation?
Very fruitful information!
Thanks for the great content. I am a revert, my honest opinion is that Islamic divorce law leaves women vulnerable financially. In most cases women spend their lives looking after their families instead of pursuing careers. In the event that she wants to leave the marriage for any valid reason, or the husband decides to let her go, the woman is left with nothing, possibly with kids in tow. Just seems unbalanced.
Even after husband lets go of his wife, under islamic law he obligated to provide for his children. regardless they live with him or their Mother.
secondly.. Allah has command man to give gift to women when u divorce her. women still can work, own business.
But to take man wealth unjustly and forceing thru courts. is haraam
Arent men are given custody of children, during a divorce, according to Islamic law?
@@Z901Z No. its what best inteterst of child.
As prophet mohammad said: mother has 3 times right over child than father.
@farhan K wrong, mothers have rights over children but responsibility for child raising goes to the father. If they are over 7, then to the father and if younger than 7 to the mother but only if she remains unmarried.
@ZM-et7zt this is Hanafi mahab. In others child stays with mother unless she remaries.
It's good so that people don't renege on it and be unjust. The legal enforcement of it will help as deterrance esp. on popular issues like wealth during divorce or death of a spouse.
I don't actually know what Jennifer is talking about with natural separation, I've never heard of it and I've studied Islam and looked into marriage fiqh too.
A pre-nup is allowed in the shariah so to me, it is tieing your camel to the needs of the time. The society we live in is not a safe one if marriage goes wrong.
Reverts need helppppppp! Lol I didn’t know I had to ask what I want I only knew that Hadith where it talks about the least spent is most blessed. 😂😂😂
Prenups dont work
There are other ways
@@OutoftheEchoChamber Nope
But that adds a layer
1. Never get your marriage registered
What Nusaiba is saying isn’t good. A divorcee lady is much supported in uk. Doesn’t she know this? Then why is she asking for a prenuptial when she knows the money of her husband is his.
why don't you never lower your gaze?