First, this is to tell you how much I enjoy your work. Keep going, and never stop answering those letters -- even the dumb ones! Next, I own a Marlin 45-70 made by the previous manufacturer that everyone liked to bad-mouth. I bought it, brought it home and took it apart. I cleaned it and polished all the burrs, etc., made by the CNC process, put it back together and it has worked well ever since. With this rifle I have harvested a 7-foot black bear (in northern part of Vancouver Island, B.C.) and a polar bear shooting from a dog sled (north of Resolute Bay, Nunavut). I shot the black bear from about 20 yards, and the polar bear from about 4-5 yards just last Spring. I think I still have some of the adrenaline from that experience in measurable amounts in my blood stream! My trusty Marlin 45-70 only required one heart/lung shot each using Hornady 320 gr FTX LeverRevolution bullets. I mounted a Skinner rear peep sight on it which makes open sight freehand shooting comfortable. Some people complain about the recoil from the 45-70. For practice shooting I’ve loaded some lighter weight bullets with Trail Boss powder (what some people call bunny farts) and that has kept my shoulder flesh colored rather than black and blue. It is a wonderful rifle and I would never go fishing in the north without it for protection (I need it: I'm 81 years old and can't run very fast any more). All the best to you and your wife; don’t ever stop! Regards, Thomas Pickering Calgary, AB, Canada P.S. - Someone wrote to you about lever actions locking up in cold weather; when I went north (620 miles south of the North Pole) I was told to clean my gun and clean it again until there was NO lubricant on the insides at all, because when the temp gets down to -55C frozen lubricant will cause the action to lock. That’s true.
Thank you for sharing this! I can confirm that not all "Remlins" are bad, I have a 336SS in 30-30 and it runs just fine. Fascinating info on Leverevolution 325gr taking a polar bear. On the lubricant - isn't there some arctic-rated lubricant that stays fluid in those temps? I think that'd be a bit more "peace of mind" vs. running dry.
I smooth out all my guns and am gunsmith trained. I feel all guns need hand fitted at the end after machining and we wouldn't see but 1% of the issues we do in production guns. Never found a non production that didn't shoot like perfection, ever, ... ever... So always tune your gun unless it is a good brand. Esp dangerous game guns.
Now THAT'S what I call modern lever action! All the creature comforts and bells and whistles you want without looking like it's trying to be an AR15. I like the space cowboy builds a lot but this is just next level and Henry, Marlin, S&W should take note.
Yes it is nice. Chiappa also makes a "modernized" 1886 called the Ridge Runner, similar to the Pedersoli showcased here: synthetic coating for the wood, weatherized finish for the metal, threaded muzzle, etc. It is also available as a takedown model.
@@JerryStone-t7q That Lonestar is sweet. But I get it, Winchester's aren't for everyone.. I've had a '76 Bicentennial for I think over 20 years now. Great little carbine. Always liked the model 64 deer rifle... So a few years ago I settled for a CPR in .32WS. Went in the old haunt for .22 ammo - came out with a new mouth to feed!
@@camel7355 Yes it was a beautiful rifle. I had a gunsmith try and tighten it up but to no avail . The action remained loose and noisy . Picked up a blued model 94 made in 1976 at pawn shop tight as a drum . Go figure ?
Ron, this was one of your best. I really like Larry, obviously a good old boy from Montana. I like the lock-up of the Winchesters better than the Marlins. The Winchester locking strength is a bout 10% more than the Marlin's single locking block at the back of the bolt. I think it's great Perersoli uses the same system as the Winchester. The old .45-70 hopefully will never lose it's appeal. Thank you, again for a great episode.
45-70 540 gr Hammerhead for a 16" Ruger Trapper and 44 Magnum 310gr Hammerhead for a 7.5" Super Redhawk. I had a 2-hour phone conversation with Mr. Emerson discussing my particular need for defense ammo. You won't find a better company, better ammo or a finer person than Ashley Emerson!
How do you carry the revolver? I was doing some measurements and I found it would be unlikely I could chest holster anything longer than 6” tops, because of the draw. Was wondering if there’s a way around it.
Instead of a chest holster try a shoulder holster or a cross draw holster. They both can be worn over your gear when needed and should give you the extra draw length needed to carry a larger revolver.
Love my basic factory stock JM Marlin all stainless steel 1895 “Guide Gun” in .45-70. It’s my bear protection gun when I’m fishing and/or exploring in big bruin country. I’ve been using the Underwood 430gr lead hard cast (non “+P”). Heavy hardcast and over pressured loads (+P) are not needed, unless one wants to destroy their firearm.
540gr, I've been preaching the gospel of the 540 Hammerheads since I first read about them in a John Taffin article over 20 years ago and immediately placed an order! My Guide Gun now has over 1000 of them through it(and it's taken 20 years 🤣) and Randy Garrett knew what he was doing! And Ashley Emerson has continued that legacy since buying the company! I also shoot A LOT of Garrett .44 Magnums out of my Dan Wesson 744VH and they cannot be beat for performance either! These are the only cast bullets I've ever fired that can top the performance of Verrill Smiths LBT bullets and my out max power handloads! Everyone out there singing the praises of Extreme defender/penetrator bullets as the best are sadly mistaken.
The 1886 Winchester can handle a lot more pressure than the Marlins, especially the new Winchester 1886 made in Japan, which can hammer up to 50,000 PSI
Yes, the 1886 action is inherently much stronger than the 336 action utilized by Marlin for the 1895. As you say, the Miroku '86s are rated to 50K PSI and some change. That's at least 5K more than the 336 action is rated for. As an aside, the Italian 1886s by Pedersoli, Chiappa and Uberti are also very strong. The Chiappa 1886, for example, uses 4140 steel for receiver and barrel, and incorporates CNC techniques for fitting and evaluating the metallurgy. This makes it at least as strong as an original Winchester Model 71, and therefore considerably stronger than any original 1886s made. So even though the Miroku '86s are rightfully cited as being stronger than the originals, I think it is noteworthy that the Chiappa, Pedersoli and Uberti are just as strong. People tend to relegate such makes to the category of simply "replica," with the insinuation that they are much weaker than the Mirokus; but they are not merely replicating the blackpowder era 1886 or something.
My close in range "bear gun" is Big Horn Armory's Model 90 in 500 S&W Magnum (quite a bit more energy than the 45-70) you need to work the action briskly though.
@-Zevin- the o.p. is shooting the .500 out of a 16 or 18 carbine also...Big Horn makes fine rifles...Im not sure of the .500's ballistics out of a longer barrel...
The load in the video is at 2880 ft/lb *from a 22 inch barrel* per Garrett's website. Buffalo bore has a few "45/70 magnum" loadings generating 3500 ft/lb *22 inch barrel* . The 500 s&w can get into the +3500ft/lb range *from a 16 inch barrel* . With slower burning powder for rifle length barrels you could even exceed that and likely get into the 4000 ft/lb range. All the energys listed on 500 s&w are from revolvers.
@@rileyneufeld7001 I was specifically looking at 16 inch barrels and the vast majority of 500s energy ft/lbs were in the 2,600-2,800 range. Not saying your wrong btw, maybe there are loads out there that can produce more factory or hand loads. However the energy increase from 500 to 45-70 isn't substantial in general it seems. The real advantage of the 500 is it's a full quarter of inch shorter in case compared to a 45-70.
Curious what flaws he thinks the original 1886 had. I have never heard that once before this video and I am not exactly a kid anymore. I have heard of many Pedersoli's having issues, both on the gun boards and in person. Unless something has changed in recent years, the Pedersoli is a mix of the 1886 and the M-71 Win. The 480 in a 475 is sorta like shooting a 44 special in a 44 mag or 38 in a 357. Not as much difference between the 475 and 480 as with the other two sets though.
I never had any reliability issues with the Winchester 94, but I noticed the marlin would jam and misfeed. Not sure I would trust the marlin with my life.
We have a lot of 45-70s here in Mississippi. We don't see many grizzles. I've always liked a 30-30 with a 4 X or peep sights. A 2 size flip peep(no batteries) seems better than a battery powered sight.?🤔
I used to be in that same camp when it came to sights and loved irons. Still do today. I've came to learn that electronic sights are now reliable and durable, still irons are worth having on any field rifle. The best of all worlds is having an rail that supports iron ghost ring sight and the ability to use an quick detach scope and red dot type sight.
@@aaronwilcox6417 Yeah it's hard to pass up modern illuminated sights, I have multiple red dots that are on 24/7 for multiple years, I change the battery once a year just to be safe. Never had one fail me yet.
Yeah , .45/70 can be considerably more potent when loaded for modern guns. The Garret hammerhead ammo shown in video as well as buffalo bore hard cast solids hit harder and have better penetration and less drop than 12 gauge slugs. Though is you have a rifled slug barrel ,brenneke has some pretty potent sabot slugs made for deep penetration .
There are a lot of folks talking about the 12ga slug being inadequate because the standard slug load is basically a very soft lead round ball. They supposedly lack the sectional density and the metallurgic integrity to penetrate far enough to stop a bear charge. They are soft cast, and once they hit anything of substance, they flatten out so quickly they just don’t penetrate, and if they hit bone, they come apart completely. There was a time when a LOT of fisherman carried them, and I think a large part of that was the availability of very cheap shotguns and ammunition, and a misunderstanding of their shortfalls. These days, most folks venturing into the bear woods are carrying heavy for caliber hard-cast, heat treated, or monolithic solids in their choice of rifles and handguns, to make sure they have the integrity and sectional density to penetrate deep enough to reach the vitals, or preferably the central nervous system.
@jm6696 As long as your slugs are a good quality over a hot load there's not alot of difference, with 45-70 being slightly superior, but a proper bear slug load can exceed 3000ftlb, that is more than adequate...biggest issue is loads that are water resistant...
I think it may have been Paul Harrel (RIP) or someone that soaked a bunch of different shotgun shells in a variety of water including salt water for different lengths of time and found it to have very little affect on their reliability
Great vedio awsome lever gun . I have a question. Do you have any advice on a gun Smith on a bolt action design ? I really have a big interest in one . I have a single shot Thompson contender. I would really like to have one in an 18-20in scout rifle . Just courios on your direction or advice. God bless you and your family God-bless America🇺🇲🇺🇲🇨🇱🇨🇱
Ah, yes, fishing rods and waders, nice to see. If I was fishing in the middle of a stream in waders, I don't think I would be carrying a long gun. I'll have a handgun.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Ron, how about a video on carrying pistols when the hands and arms are occupied? That would be a great video! And the hands and arms can be occupied in so many different ways and that means there is not one solution; too many problems. You and your buddies could make several videos to suit the needs. Thanks for all of your fine videos, I look forward to every one.
Unless Garrett has come up with a new load, that Hammerhead is a 540 gr coming out at around 1500 or 1550. Next best choice for a lead alloy used to be Beartooth Bullets 525 gr Piledriver. They went out of business and I haven't been able to find any 500+ gr wide meplat cast bullets since. Lots of RN and .25 or .26 meplat in the upper 400s. Hammerhead and Piledriver both have a meplat around 0.37". That's the special sauce for those bullets. Shooting at paper with either one, they punch through just like wadcutters. I have my Piledrivers coming out at a skosh over 1600 fps out of my 18.5" 1895 GBL. Calculated 40 ft lbs of recoil, not for the faint of heart.
lol I have to laugh I have shot my Marlin in 45-70 hot loads with original hard rubber cap on the butt stock for decades and have never needed a “ recoil “ pad!! I have shot 60 hot rounds straight and no shoulder issues at all. I cannot stand recoil pads they are a pain in the butt. I shoot a double barreled 12 ga shot gun with a steel cap and no problems. But hey to each his own. I lived in AK 22 years so I do have experience with this type of fishing. Just a FYI actually the Marlin 1881 was the first lever gun to chamber the 45-70. Winchesters answer was 1876 scaled up could shoot a 45-60 which only Winchester had ( a 45-70 cut down). Then Winchester asked Browning to design a gun for the 45-70 ,1886 to compete with Marlin. Marlin redesigned their rifle in 1895 to better compete with the 1886 Winchester.
take off the cross and put on the tikka t3x tacA1 will do sub moa, 5 shot groups while smoking hot, "all day" (ive technically only done this all morning, multiple days) i technically dont shoot a cross, but my tikka has never let me down
Isn’t 500 gains at 1600fps a little light for a bear stopper I thought a 12g 1oz slug at 1750 was the standard it gets you close enough to 375 h&h but no where near 458 Lott
1 oz is only 437gr, and that going 1,750 FPS yields just under 3,000 ft/lbs. of energy. These 585gr going 1,650 FPS yields 3,500 ft/lbs. of energy, that's quite a bit more than a 12ga slug.
The +P Hammerhead in question is 540 grains, rated at 1,550 fps out of a 22" barrel. The "normal" (i.e. 28K PSI) 540 grain Garrett load, called the Defender, is rated at 1,400 fps out of a 22". So we are looking at 2,880 and 2,350 ft./lbs., respectively.
Yeah I spent 4 hours rubbing mine with steel wool and then using a furniture lacquer to seal it up. Worked quite well actually and looks pretty good. That was on an xbolt
Nice to see they are making new 45/70. I agree with his choses but have a problem with electronic scopes. Not that they aren't great but " I believe in murphy ". I put a see thru scope rings with a scope on top of it. If it fogs up or is to close for the scope, I can go to iron. Mine is one of the original with CT stamp. Buffalo Bore makes a solid at 500 grains, not to be used on head shots, but double lung. Box has black death on it.
ron, no one mentions the henry 45-70 as a strong action. Is the henry somewhere between a marlin and trapdoor strength. thanks for any input. keep up the great content me and my boys love watching your videos .
Garrett states this is for Marlins and Henry's on their site so I'd assume they're plenty stout. If I recall they do have a very similar bolt design and should be similar in strength.
The Henry action is essentially a 336 action in all but name. As such, it should be good to c. 43K PSI. Garrett Cartridges sets a max average chamber pressure for their +P 45-70 at 35K CUP/PSI, and has said that the Henrys run their ammo fine. The Buffalo Bore +P in what they refer to as their "Magnum Lever Gun" loads is coming in at 43K or less. So the 336 action is being used as the upper limit. As an aside, for modern 1886s, the upper limits are 50K PSI. So a Henry action's strength is considerably less than a modern 1886, but about equal to a Marlin '95.
Sorry ElHomber, but I'm interviewing real people in real time with no rehearsals. These aren't trained actors. Some of us cough and stutter and hem and haw... and some swing a leg. I'll take a distracting leg over the hemming and hawing any day. I can get that from politicians.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Hey Ron!!!! Huge fan!!! I didn't mean any disrespect. I have a very long history in audio and video production so I can be very nitpicky. Keep up the excellent work and keep your talent under control!!! Lol j/k
@@AldoSchmedack I have a long background in film production. It was my job to notice this kind of thing. I never said it raised my blood pressure or even upset me. I simply said it was distracting. I think you are possibly projecting while trying to sound like the cool, calm and collected cowboy lol
The guest in the video is promoting two firearms that both have major flaws: Their barrels are midget sized. Whenever you cut a barrel down from the original caliber/cartridge/firearm design you (the shooter) LOSE velocity and energy. A .45-70 Govt. cartridge rifle should have a much longer barrel at least 22, or 24 inches, and 26 inches is even better. {Rubber is for tires - Wood is for stocks.} The Handgun that he showed chambered in .475 Linebaugh is a silly little 2-inch snub nose. That completely ruins the reason for that monster size cartridge. Massive recoil and deafening muzzle blast with a short-barreled monster cartridge. That handgun should have at least a 6-inch barrel, and an 8-inch would be better to get the full energy-velocity (stopping-k i l l ing power). Years ago, the Handgun-hunting writer at G & A magazine Mr. Bob Milek --- ((he died in about 1993)) --- did an experiment with one of his guns.... iirc- it was long barrel T/C Arms single shot pistol. He fired it at a paper target with a chronograph device recording/measuring the muzzle velocity. Every time that he cut an inch off the barrel, the velocity of the cartridge lost about 100 Feet-Per-Second. And accuracy suffered also.
You are correct, Gus, except you're not considering why one might want such a super shot barrel for bear protection. You sacrifice potential power and accuracy for speed. Getting a bullet on target in a split second is the goal. And having a tool you can carry and access instantly is a big part of that goal. Few anglers, berry pickers, hikers, photographers care to drag a 4-pound, long barreled revolver around. And clearing that barrel from a holster...
I think this is about the most primitive vid I've seen produced. All wildlife have a purpose in our ecosystem. Being a hunter in harmony with nature is better than just destroying things when a non lethal defense would be just as effective. Just ask yourself WHY is this bear attacking me? Maybe the best solution is in the answer to this question. I wish you would use your channel for a higher calling like eco-harmony hunting.
Bent, I applaud your highly evolved perfectionism, but I fear you'll find reality a bit shocking should an irate grizzly ever charge you from 20 yards. While you contemplate its reasons for the attack, it'll be completing said attack and, likely, be rearranging your anatomy. But I agree that hunter-gatherers should be in harmony with nature. Last I checked, however, every other animal of every species uses every talent and/or tool at its disposal to defend against attacks. Bite, claw, rip, shred... We humans just happen to have the uncommon skills of tool use and the foresight to carry said tools. I advocate sustainable use/yield hunting. It is the only solution for maintaining natural biomes and the wild species within them.
"when a non-lethal defense is just as effective". Completely false, you are spreading fake news you goof. Go look at the bear attack handgun database on ammo land. Then read Outside magazines article on bear spray.
@benraprop: Good luck with that. The bears don't know what century this is, so while you may have mid to late 20th century, Post Modern Western World, solipsist sentiments, the bear will tear into you like it's 15,000 B.C.. He doesn't care about your politics.
First, this is to tell you how much I enjoy your work. Keep going, and never stop answering those letters -- even the dumb ones!
Next, I own a Marlin 45-70 made by the previous manufacturer that everyone liked to bad-mouth. I bought it, brought it home and took it apart. I cleaned it and polished all the burrs, etc., made by the CNC process, put it back together and it has worked well ever since.
With this rifle I have harvested a 7-foot black bear (in northern part of Vancouver Island, B.C.) and a polar bear shooting from a dog sled (north of Resolute Bay, Nunavut). I shot the black bear from about 20 yards, and the polar bear from about 4-5 yards just last Spring. I think I still have some of the adrenaline from that experience in measurable amounts in my blood stream!
My trusty Marlin 45-70 only required one heart/lung shot each using Hornady 320 gr FTX LeverRevolution bullets.
I mounted a Skinner rear peep sight on it which makes open sight freehand shooting comfortable. Some people complain about the recoil from the 45-70. For practice shooting I’ve loaded some lighter weight bullets with Trail Boss powder (what some people call bunny farts) and that has kept my shoulder flesh colored rather than black and blue.
It is a wonderful rifle and I would never go fishing in the north without it for protection (I need it: I'm 81 years old and can't run very fast any more).
All the best to you and your wife; don’t ever stop!
Regards,
Thomas Pickering
Calgary, AB, Canada
P.S. - Someone wrote to you about lever actions locking up in cold weather; when I went north (620 miles south of the North Pole) I was told to clean my gun and clean it again until there was NO lubricant on the insides at all, because when the temp gets down to -55C frozen lubricant will cause the action to lock. That’s true.
Thanks Fei! Great information from someone who's been there, done that, and is still doing it! You, man, are da MAN.
Thank you for sharing this! I can confirm that not all "Remlins" are bad, I have a 336SS in 30-30 and it runs just fine. Fascinating info on Leverevolution 325gr taking a polar bear. On the lubricant - isn't there some arctic-rated lubricant that stays fluid in those temps? I think that'd be a bit more "peace of mind" vs. running dry.
@@languagesource355Graphite (lock lubricant).
@@MydicHertz I'm sure some machine lubricants in liquid and grease form can also withstand those temps. Otherwise nothing would run.
I smooth out all my guns and am gunsmith trained. I feel all guns need hand fitted at the end after machining and we wouldn't see but 1% of the issues we do in production guns. Never found a non production that didn't shoot like perfection, ever, ... ever... So always tune your gun unless it is a good brand. Esp dangerous game guns.
Best gun channel on UA-cam!!!! This channel is a national treasure!
Now THAT'S what I call modern lever action! All the creature comforts and bells and whistles you want without looking like it's trying to be an AR15. I like the space cowboy builds a lot but this is just next level and Henry, Marlin, S&W should take note.
Yes it is nice. Chiappa also makes a "modernized" 1886 called the Ridge Runner, similar to the Pedersoli showcased here: synthetic coating for the wood, weatherized finish for the metal, threaded muzzle, etc. It is also available as a takedown model.
I had a Winchester 94 that if ya didn't operate the action like it owed you money it would spit 2 shells out of the tube and jam .
My lone star Commembrative was like that right out of the box ! That's why I hunt with a marlin .
@@JerryStone-t7q I've since sold it , just to noisy to hunt with .
@@johnferguson185 Same here. But I do have a regular 94 that works just fine.
@@JerryStone-t7q
That Lonestar is sweet. But I get it, Winchester's aren't for everyone.. I've had a '76 Bicentennial for I think over 20 years now. Great little carbine. Always liked the model 64 deer rifle... So a few years ago I settled for a CPR in .32WS. Went in the old haunt for .22 ammo - came out with a new mouth to feed!
@@camel7355 Yes it was a beautiful rifle. I had a gunsmith try and tighten it up but to no avail . The action remained loose and noisy . Picked up a blued model 94 made in 1976 at pawn shop tight as a drum . Go figure ?
After a long day of engineering classes a blazing saddles reference was all I needed!
Ron, this was one of your best. I really like Larry, obviously a good old boy from Montana. I like the lock-up of the Winchesters better than the Marlins. The Winchester locking strength is a bout 10% more than the Marlin's single locking block at the back of the bolt. I think it's great Perersoli uses the same system as the Winchester. The old .45-70 hopefully will never lose it's appeal. Thank you, again for a great episode.
The gun talk is fascinating, but can I just comment on the beauty of the background.
45-70 540 gr Hammerhead for a 16" Ruger Trapper and 44 Magnum 310gr Hammerhead for a 7.5" Super Redhawk. I had a 2-hour phone conversation with Mr. Emerson discussing my particular need for defense ammo. You won't find a better company, better ammo or a finer person than Ashley Emerson!
How do you carry the revolver? I was doing some measurements and I found it would be unlikely I could chest holster anything longer than 6” tops, because of the draw. Was wondering if there’s a way around it.
Ashley is the real deal!
Instead of a chest holster try a shoulder holster or a cross draw holster. They both can be worn over your gear when needed and should give you the extra draw length needed to carry a larger revolver.
@@Joe___R Hmmm, interesting.
@@Joe___R That sounds like an idea
The parent case for the 475 Linebaugh is actually the 45-70. That snubby 475 looks mighty interesting.
Love my basic factory stock JM Marlin all stainless steel 1895 “Guide Gun” in .45-70. It’s my bear protection gun when I’m fishing and/or exploring in big bruin country. I’ve been using the Underwood 430gr lead hard cast (non “+P”). Heavy hardcast and over pressured loads (+P) are not needed, unless one wants to destroy their firearm.
Pedersoli makes one of the finest 45-70 Lever Action Rifles!!
Among other Fine Rifles 👏💯👏❗👍👍👍
Those are some pretty nice guns but i want to take a second to appreciate the panerai watch that stole the show for me. Nice watch
One of the things we like about your channel is the lack of obnoxious opening music theme, which many other channels use.
K pop music please
If there's a big brown bear bearing down on you.I don't think you're going to notice the recoil
I’ve got the Boarbuster mark II and absolutely love mine. They are excellent & quality firearms.
540gr, I've been preaching the gospel of the 540 Hammerheads since I first read about them in a John Taffin article over 20 years ago and immediately placed an order! My Guide Gun now has over 1000 of them through it(and it's taken 20 years 🤣) and Randy Garrett knew what he was doing! And Ashley Emerson has continued that legacy since buying the company! I also shoot A LOT of Garrett .44 Magnums out of my Dan Wesson 744VH and they cannot be beat for performance either! These are the only cast bullets I've ever fired that can top the performance of Verrill Smiths LBT bullets and my out max power handloads! Everyone out there singing the praises of Extreme defender/penetrator bullets as the best are sadly mistaken.
That guy's a hoot! You should have him more often!
I never thought I would see the day you praised the 45-70.
This gentleman has great taste in guns and watches… 👍🏻 well done.
That was a good one!! Thanks guys!
That was a great video
The 1886 Winchester can handle a lot more pressure than the Marlins, especially the new Winchester 1886 made in Japan, which can hammer up to 50,000 PSI
Yes, the 1886 action is inherently much stronger than the 336 action utilized by Marlin for the 1895.
As you say, the Miroku '86s are rated to 50K PSI and some change. That's at least 5K more than the 336 action is rated for.
As an aside, the Italian 1886s by Pedersoli, Chiappa and Uberti are also very strong. The Chiappa 1886, for example, uses 4140 steel for receiver and barrel, and incorporates CNC techniques for fitting and evaluating the metallurgy. This makes it at least as strong as an original Winchester Model 71, and therefore considerably stronger than any original 1886s made.
So even though the Miroku '86s are rightfully cited as being stronger than the originals, I think it is noteworthy that the Chiappa, Pedersoli and Uberti are just as strong. People tend to relegate such makes to the category of simply "replica," with the insinuation that they are much weaker than the Mirokus; but they are not merely replicating the blackpowder era 1886 or something.
Garrett 540-gr SuperHardCast Hammerhead +P
Could you make a video on adding iron sights to a scoped rifle please. I have yet to find a good youtube on the subject. Thanks.
My close in range "bear gun" is Big Horn Armory's Model 90 in 500 S&W Magnum (quite a bit more energy than the 45-70) you need to work the action briskly though.
What load...the load he's carrying is 33-3500+ftlbs...
@@thestcroixkid Yeah from lookin the 500 S&W Magnum is less ft/lbs than that 45/70 load and that's out of a 16in barrel.
@-Zevin- the o.p. is shooting the .500 out of a 16 or 18 carbine also...Big Horn makes fine rifles...Im not sure of the .500's ballistics out of a longer barrel...
The load in the video is at 2880 ft/lb *from a 22 inch barrel* per Garrett's website. Buffalo bore has a few "45/70 magnum" loadings generating 3500 ft/lb *22 inch barrel* .
The 500 s&w can get into the +3500ft/lb range *from a 16 inch barrel* . With slower burning powder for rifle length barrels you could even exceed that and likely get into the 4000 ft/lb range. All the energys listed on 500 s&w are from revolvers.
@@rileyneufeld7001 I was specifically looking at 16 inch barrels and the vast majority of 500s energy ft/lbs were in the 2,600-2,800 range. Not saying your wrong btw, maybe there are loads out there that can produce more factory or hand loads. However the energy increase from 500 to 45-70 isn't substantial in general it seems. The real advantage of the 500 is it's a full quarter of inch shorter in case compared to a 45-70.
Those rounds are like 12ga magnum slug power...good lord!!! 👍
Very cool guns there.
Wait, is the receiver hard chrome or anodized? Because one you do you steel. The other to aluminum.
That gun is basically a modern take on a safari rifle. Short, quick, and a ton of stopping power.
Will it work in the guide gun?
Curious what flaws he thinks the original 1886 had. I have never heard that once before this video and I am not exactly a kid anymore. I have heard of many Pedersoli's having issues, both on the gun boards and in person. Unless something has changed in recent years, the Pedersoli is a mix of the 1886 and the M-71 Win. The 480 in a 475 is sorta like shooting a 44 special in a 44 mag or 38 in a 357. Not as much difference between the 475 and 480 as with the other two sets though.
Yeah the 1886 was a perfected design even back in the day.
Great video!!
I never had any reliability issues with the Winchester 94, but I noticed the marlin would jam and misfeed. Not sure I would trust the marlin with my life.
where can i get that loop system? tried to google it but to no avail
Proprietary to Pedersoli, and only available on their rifles.
We have a lot of 45-70s here in Mississippi. We don't see many grizzles. I've always liked a 30-30 with a 4 X or peep sights. A 2 size flip peep(no batteries) seems better than a battery powered sight.?🤔
I used to be in that same camp when it came to sights and loved irons. Still do today. I've came to learn that electronic sights are now reliable and durable, still irons are worth having on any field rifle. The best of all worlds is having an rail that supports iron ghost ring sight and the ability to use an quick detach scope and red dot type sight.
@@aaronwilcox6417 I have had the same 2-7 x 33 Leupold on 3 rifles. No batteries.🤔😮🤩
@@aaronwilcox6417 Yeah it's hard to pass up modern illuminated sights, I have multiple red dots that are on 24/7 for multiple years, I change the battery once a year just to be safe. Never had one fail me yet.
which would you recommend for elk in 6.5 creedmoor nosler partition or hornady cx
Great video
Looks like a no nonsense guy.
$2440 on midwest gun works sight, I think it is wood stocked too. says wood, looks like the one you have.?
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Is there a reason to go .45 70 if you already carry 12 ga w slugs? Ballisticaly?
Yeah , .45/70 can be considerably more potent when loaded for modern guns. The Garret hammerhead ammo shown in video as well as buffalo bore hard cast solids hit harder and have better penetration and less drop than 12 gauge slugs. Though is you have a rifled slug barrel ,brenneke has some pretty potent sabot slugs made for deep penetration .
There are a lot of folks talking about the 12ga slug being inadequate because the standard slug load is basically a very soft lead round ball. They supposedly lack the sectional density and the metallurgic integrity to penetrate far enough to stop a bear charge. They are soft cast, and once they hit anything of substance, they flatten out so quickly they just don’t penetrate, and if they hit bone, they come apart completely. There was a time when a LOT of fisherman carried them, and I think a large part of that was the availability of very cheap shotguns and ammunition, and a misunderstanding of their shortfalls. These days, most folks venturing into the bear woods are carrying heavy for caliber hard-cast, heat treated, or monolithic solids in their choice of rifles and handguns, to make sure they have the integrity and sectional density to penetrate deep enough to reach the vitals, or preferably the central nervous system.
Lots of dead bears and breathing woodsmen say no.
@jm6696 As long as your slugs are a good quality over a hot load there's not alot of difference, with 45-70 being slightly superior, but a proper bear slug load can exceed 3000ftlb, that is more than adequate...biggest issue is loads that are water resistant...
I think it may have been Paul Harrel (RIP) or someone that soaked a bunch of different shotgun shells in a variety of water including salt water for different lengths of time and found it to have very little affect on their reliability
Great vedio awsome lever gun . I have a question. Do you have any advice on a gun Smith on a bolt action design ? I really have a big interest in one . I have a single shot Thompson contender. I would really like to have one in an 18-20in scout rifle . Just courios on your direction or advice. God bless you and your family God-bless America🇺🇲🇺🇲🇨🇱🇨🇱
Ah, yes, fishing rods and waders, nice to see. If I was fishing in the middle of a stream in waders, I don't think I would be carrying a long gun. I'll have a handgun.
I'm with you, David.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Ron, how about a video on carrying pistols when the hands and arms are occupied? That would be a great video! And the hands and arms can be occupied in so many different ways and that means there is not one solution; too many problems. You and your buddies could make several videos to suit the needs. Thanks for all of your fine videos, I look forward to every one.
@@DAVIDMILLER-nc9vo ...and it wouldn't be no goddamned 10mm either...lol
Between 3300 and 3500ftlbs depending on the bullet weight...serious medicine...
What do you think about a browning bar for bear defence ? 30-6 or 300wm ? Assuming it doesn’t jam 😂
Unless Garrett has come up with a new load, that Hammerhead is a 540 gr coming out at around 1500 or 1550.
Next best choice for a lead alloy used to be Beartooth Bullets 525 gr Piledriver. They went out of business and I haven't been able to find any 500+ gr wide meplat cast bullets since. Lots of RN and .25 or .26 meplat in the upper 400s. Hammerhead and Piledriver both have a meplat around 0.37". That's the special sauce for those bullets. Shooting at paper with either one, they punch through just like wadcutters.
I have my Piledrivers coming out at a skosh over 1600 fps out of my 18.5" 1895 GBL. Calculated 40 ft lbs of recoil, not for the faint of heart.
lol I have to laugh I have shot my Marlin in 45-70 hot loads with original hard rubber cap on the butt stock for decades and have never needed a “ recoil “ pad!! I have shot 60 hot rounds straight and no shoulder issues at all. I cannot stand recoil pads they are a pain in the butt. I shoot a double barreled 12 ga shot gun with a steel cap and no problems. But hey to each his own. I lived in AK 22 years so I do have experience with this type of fishing. Just a FYI actually the Marlin 1881 was the first lever gun to chamber the 45-70. Winchesters answer was 1876 scaled up could shoot a 45-60 which only Winchester had ( a 45-70 cut down). Then Winchester asked Browning to design a gun for the 45-70 ,1886 to compete with Marlin. Marlin redesigned their rifle in 1895 to better compete with the 1886 Winchester.
9.37 I think he said Peugeot - sarcasm as Peugeot is French and not Italian..
How much does that 1886 rifle weight?
So basically the ballistics of a 12ga shotgun slug?
Yeah roughly but a smaller surface area and deeper penetration.
take off the cross and put on the tikka t3x tacA1 will do sub moa, 5 shot groups while smoking hot, "all day" (ive technically only done this all morning, multiple days) i technically dont shoot a cross, but my tikka has never let me down
Peugeot is not an Italian car. They are French.
Would you buy a short or long barrel (and thus capacity changing) lever for Alaska Ron? @Ron Spomer Outdoors
Always shorter. No reason to be hunting with a rifle longer then 20 inches
2 454's stolen! Ouch! Maybe do something a little differently?
Isn’t 500 gains at 1600fps a little light for a bear stopper I thought a 12g 1oz slug at 1750 was the standard it gets you close enough to 375 h&h but no where near 458 Lott
Can’t push lead any faster or lead the barrel. Shotty doesn’t have that issue
That load he's talking about approaches 3500ftlb...that's plenty...
The one ounce is a bit less than seventy grains lighter than 500. So it stands to reason it would move a bit faster for some loads.
1 oz is only 437gr, and that going 1,750 FPS yields just under 3,000 ft/lbs. of energy.
These 585gr going 1,650 FPS yields 3,500 ft/lbs. of energy, that's quite a bit more than a 12ga slug.
A 1 oz slug is less weight and they arent hard cast, so they won't penetrate
500 grains + 1600 ft/sec is just about unbelievable! How many ft . lb?. I want one!
2 grand is a great price.
The +P Hammerhead in question is 540 grains, rated at 1,550 fps out of a 22" barrel. The "normal" (i.e. 28K PSI) 540 grain Garrett load, called the Defender, is rated at 1,400 fps out of a 22".
So we are looking at 2,880 and 2,350 ft./lbs., respectively.
Hope that rubberized stock doesn’t turn out like browning dura touch. I got a bps 12 with dura touch and it’s horribly gummy and peeling off yuck!!
Yeah I spent 4 hours rubbing mine with steel wool and then using a furniture lacquer to seal it up. Worked quite well actually and looks pretty good. That was on an xbolt
@@Mountain-Man27 maybe someone could strip mine and hydro dip it?
Nice to see they are making new 45/70. I agree with his choses but have a problem with electronic scopes. Not that they aren't great but " I believe in murphy ". I put a see thru scope rings with a scope on top of it. If it fogs up or is to close for the scope, I can go to iron. Mine is one of the original with CT stamp. Buffalo Bore makes a solid at 500 grains, not to be used on head shots, but double lung. Box has black death on it.
ron, no one mentions the henry 45-70 as a strong action. Is the henry somewhere between a marlin and trapdoor strength.
thanks for any input.
keep up the great content me and my boys love watching your videos .
Garrett states this is for Marlins and Henry's on their site so I'd assume they're plenty stout. If I recall they do have a very similar bolt design and should be similar in strength.
Underwood also lists Henry's as safe for their 45-70 +P loads. It seems to be on par with Marlin.
The Henry action is essentially a 336 action in all but name.
As such, it should be good to c. 43K PSI.
Garrett Cartridges sets a max average chamber pressure for their +P 45-70 at 35K CUP/PSI, and has said that the Henrys run their ammo fine.
The Buffalo Bore +P in what they refer to as their "Magnum Lever Gun" loads is coming in at 43K or less. So the 336 action is being used as the upper limit.
As an aside, for modern 1886s, the upper limits are 50K PSI.
So a Henry action's strength is considerably less than a modern 1886, but about equal to a Marlin '95.
In a few years that rubberized finish will be junk ruining the gun!
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Peugeot is french not Italian
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Him shaking his leg all the while was kind of distracting...i realise he was nervous.
Cool story Seymour
Can you do an episode on the 30-3 78 weather be?
Him kicking his leg was low-key distracting as hell
Never paid attention to it until I read your comment. Now I can’t unsee it 😅
Sorry ElHomber, but I'm interviewing real people in real time with no rehearsals. These aren't trained actors. Some of us cough and stutter and hem and haw... and some swing a leg. I'll take a distracting leg over the hemming and hawing any day. I can get that from politicians.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors Hey Ron!!!! Huge fan!!! I didn't mean any disrespect. I have a very long history in audio and video production so I can be very nitpicky. Keep up the excellent work and keep your talent under control!!! Lol j/k
Don't bug me none. World wouldn't raise ur blood pressure if ya let more slide in life.
@@AldoSchmedack I have a long background in film production. It was my job to notice this kind of thing. I never said it raised my blood pressure or even upset me. I simply said it was distracting.
I think you are possibly projecting while trying to sound like the cool, calm and collected cowboy lol
The guest in the video is promoting two firearms that both have major flaws: Their barrels are midget sized. Whenever you cut a barrel down from the original caliber/cartridge/firearm design you (the shooter) LOSE velocity and energy. A .45-70 Govt. cartridge rifle should have a much longer barrel at least 22, or 24 inches, and 26 inches is even better. {Rubber is for tires - Wood is for stocks.}
The Handgun that he showed chambered in .475 Linebaugh is a silly little 2-inch snub nose. That completely ruins the reason for that monster size cartridge. Massive recoil and deafening muzzle blast with a short-barreled monster cartridge. That handgun should have at least a 6-inch barrel, and an 8-inch would be better to get the full energy-velocity (stopping-k i l l ing power).
Years ago, the Handgun-hunting writer at G & A magazine Mr. Bob Milek --- ((he died in about 1993)) --- did an experiment with one of his guns.... iirc- it was long barrel T/C Arms single shot pistol. He fired it at a paper target with a chronograph device recording/measuring the muzzle velocity. Every time that he cut an inch off the barrel, the velocity of the cartridge lost about 100 Feet-Per-Second. And accuracy suffered also.
You are correct, Gus, except you're not considering why one might want such a super shot barrel for bear protection. You sacrifice potential power and accuracy for speed. Getting a bullet on target in a split second is the goal. And having a tool you can carry and access instantly is a big part of that goal. Few anglers, berry pickers, hikers, photographers care to drag a 4-pound, long barreled revolver around. And clearing that barrel from a holster...
I think this is about the most primitive vid I've seen produced. All wildlife have a purpose in our ecosystem. Being a hunter in harmony with nature is better than just destroying things when a non lethal defense would be just as effective. Just ask yourself WHY is this bear attacking me? Maybe the best solution is in the answer to this question. I wish you would use your channel for a higher calling like eco-harmony hunting.
Bent, I applaud your highly evolved perfectionism, but I fear you'll find reality a bit shocking should an irate grizzly ever charge you from 20 yards. While you contemplate its reasons for the attack, it'll be completing said attack and, likely, be rearranging your anatomy. But I agree that hunter-gatherers should be in harmony with nature. Last I checked, however, every other animal of every species uses every talent and/or tool at its disposal to defend against attacks. Bite, claw, rip, shred... We humans just happen to have the uncommon skills of tool use and the foresight to carry said tools. I advocate sustainable use/yield hunting. It is the only solution for maintaining natural biomes and the wild species within them.
"when a non-lethal defense is just as effective". Completely false, you are spreading fake news you goof. Go look at the bear attack handgun database on ammo land. Then read Outside magazines article on bear spray.
@benraprop: Good luck with that. The bears don't know what century this is, so while you may have mid to late 20th century, Post Modern Western World, solipsist sentiments, the bear will tear into you like it's 15,000 B.C.. He doesn't care about your politics.
Nice background, and two rather annoying people.
It's not bears you have to worry about .
Larry Pancake ?... WTF kinda name is that 😂
@@FranzAntonMesmer shut up Franz, ya fuckin nerd
Mdog has never been to Alaska….
@@djeff-d2g mdog thinks mdog is a cool name. That answers all my questions about him.
Great video!!