The B58B30TÜ1, which is in the Supra and 840i, has 30% less friction in the chain drive for the cams, a 2kg lighter but stronger forged crankshaft and the new cylinder head has better cooling, too.
@@dtprodrive You can't thank what's already a mess mid way and B58 has no 10+ of reliable and tuning capability like 2jz or even better Smokey Nagata swapped a Supra with Toyota Century 1gzfe and thats a V12
Name one of those companies. You can't, because it's not true. MHD, PTF, Mission, DME etc had all released their B58 flash tunes prior to the release of the MK5 Supra.
The B58 as you say is a awesome engine my friend has this engine in his 340IX G20 he has already been in touch with G-Power who say it is safe at least to 550-600 BHP without to much engine work Omar your channel rocks
I own a 2019 BMW 540i with the B58 engine. I am currently running Dinan software and this thing is a beast and great sleeper. It is easily as fast as the 2017 BMW 650i twin turbo V8 that I sold.
My M240i with the B58 is the first car I’ve owned where I haven’t immediately thought that some more power would be good. It’s so easy and cheap to get more power from it but it already feels like such a balanced car already, I don’t want to mess with that. Besides, it can already struggle to get the power down sometimes with it being RWD. Adding another 100bhp would probably just be beneficial when doing high speed motorway pulls. Did anyone else feel the same way but still tuned it? Thoughts?
Newer Bmw's also have the internal setup like the supra....all b series engines 3 and 4 cyl even have technical update engines where its that internal setup
I am about to buy a 3 or 4 series bmw (m performance is a must) with either n55 or b58 engine. What do you think is the best move regarding price to value? (Lately I have seen too many n55s with blown engines riding on a trailer at 70k kms).
I also have 8 built-in parts, the meaning of which, to be honest, is not entirely clear to me. Since the BMW is a left-hand drive vehicle in Germany, I have to imagine things being adjusted by 180 degrees. Unfortunately I have different colors and at two points completely different plugs. Could it be because I caught the last upgrade of the model, namely LC II? The engine has noticeably more power and is more economical. A friend of mine works on a test bench of the TÜV. (In Germany, an official place that you have to visit every two years, because they check the chassis, tires, illegal tuning, etc.). It gives me the opportunity to check the performance of my cars for free. After 5000 km, i.e. after the car had run in) I measured the performance on 3 days with different outside temperatures. Measurement 1: about 5 degrees, cloudy, light rain: 374 hp at 6200 rpm, 604 Nm - are 34 hp more top speed 275 km / h Measurement 2; 18 degrees, slightly cloudy, dry: 372 HP at 6100 rpm, 589 Nm - 32 HP more are Top Speed 275 km / h Measurement 3; Over 27 degrees, dry, sun shines: 366 HP at 6300 rpm, 550 Nm - 26 HP more are Top Speed 275 km / h The test results are there. Measured three times because the engine as a turbo strongly depends on the outside temperature. The cooler the air, the more oxygen. Especially the sultry summer weather of 27 degrees costs performance. In Germany, a car is considered standard when it has up to 10% more or 10% less power. Means that all values are completely in line, measurement 1 was at the limit, because 340PS + 34PS (10%) then result in 374 PS. V-Max only regulated at 275 km / h instead of 250 km / h, which I measured several times using GPS. The speedometer then goes to 1, i.e. to the point where the tank is full. The tires are the runflats from the factory. They were on my 125i too, but the vehicle drove like wooden wheels. Still wanted to change, but my hander called that the m140i will no longer receive a four-cylinder as a straight six-cylinder and with front-wheel drive. I didn't want that. In passing: BMW is a ripped off company. They bought up Rover, RR and Mini!? Rover was simply pushed away, the Mini sold easily, especially to young women. Limited edition as a two-seater with the B 58 engine. Unfortunately only 400 copies. Because the 340 PS are opposed to about 800 kg, what should I do with my other plugs or better said pin assignments? All friends who drive the m140i or m240i have the appearance of those shown in the video. My guess is that only the LC II in connection with the last major software update have this arrangement. My workshop didn't see that in the form either ....... thanks in advance, and everyone stays healthy!
B58 is awesome, but what I’m truly looking fwd to is what fca turbo in-line 6 will be like, also hear Lexus will be sharing the b58 in some of their vehicles also
Don’t know for sure if it’ll be the b58, but the talks were about partnering with bmw to cut down development cost, Toyota/Lexus na v6 engines are maxed out, hence it’ll profit both companies to just share specific parts, I see a lot of companies doing this in the future to cut down on R&D
To me, the N55 M engine edition was the most practical street BMW engine of all time. I say street, because I don't need much more than 600hp. The N55 M engine is way more practical. BMW shot themselves in the foot by making the B58's cooling system way more complex than needs to be. ESS has the best version of a simple, effective and efficient air to water intercooler. Aside from adopting ESS intercooler system, the only upgrade the N55 M engine could use is a semi open deck design and an ESS/Lysholm type supercharger. Approximately 4 minutes into this video, you can some shops removed BMW"s counterintuitive cooling system to a more coherent solution. Moving the timing chain to the rear on the B58 looks impractical, too. As you can see, the N55's engine looks much more compact and easier to work around. The B58 would have to be customized to to the 555's logical, sensible and practical approach to be worthy replacement for be a worthy replacement. The N55's high quality aftermarket water pumps are good for an excess of 100,000 miles. It would be good to focus a video of more about...shops that removed and replaced BMW's cooling system with a better solution. Also, notice that the most reliable BMW engines of all recent time went up by threes: N52 N55 B58
I understand where you're coming from but most B58's have already proven to be much stronger and more reliable than the N55. Just look at the manner in which Toyota adopted this powerplant for the Supra. The cooling system is fantastic and has proven to be quite robust on track and with higher mileage cars. Closed deck, and extreme efficiency
@@SimplyCarThings Toyota adopted the B58 ...with their own implemented customizations. They started with the B58B3001 (the best B58) and highly likely integrated the most sensible features of the N55. If I had to replace a N55 M engine, I would highly consider the B58B3001, but can't help it the N55 engine looks amazing. The design is awesome, plus it sounds amazing, too! The N55 is an inline 6 engine that features a pivoted layout ... looking almost like a V engine. Plus, the N55 can accept the N52 exhaust cams for more power. Sounds like an interesting topic. :) Since Toyota has adopted the B58, it is unquestionably king. Future aintenance seems like much costly proposition compared to the simplicity of the N55. Finding shops that can customize the B58 to port injection and other cylinder head customizations would definitely work for me. Not that would get port injection for the street, however, it will be good to list shops that customized B58 heads, components, etc.
I wonder how the timing chain is going to hold up over time, with the timing chain in the rear that raises a big concern if i were to buy one of these cars in 10 years time
@@TucsonDude 2 things I gotta say to that. 1: you gotta pay to play with any Euro car. You can't just expect to pay 10 grand for a once 50-100k car and expect rainbows and sunshine. You gotta know your machine. You gotta be good with a wrench and don't be frugal. Do the things you know you can do yourself. Buy a BMW scan tool. BimmerGeeks protool or MHD. 2: don't over step your bounds. Have some money in the bank. If car terminology makes your head spin go buy a gutless kia. If car talk interest you then stick around and do some homework and always get a pre purchase inspection. Follow the trends don't be the trend setter. The trend setters are the ones who are gunna pay 4x what I will, so let 'em burn their money while i use my money to make it the best it can be. If you can't afford to fix it, walk and go buy a Toyota Corolla.
What about the new s58, feels like the supra got the mid range engine while the new m3s will have the s58, so which has more modding and reliability capabilities?
@@moham1287 possible, but highly doubt it, would be actually a loss for the guys who bought the current b58 supra, doubt Toyota will do that to their loyal fans, honestly feel Toyota has lost the plot, audi, bmw and Mercedes is on a completely different competitive level
@@moham1287 lol, no unless the Supra is 90k. You think bmw would allow use of the S58 in a car 30k less than the m3/m4. Toyota will never out spec the actual manufacturer at a lower price.
Closed block and arc jet coated cylinder walls you can't polish or sleeve them, any scoring and it's full engine replacement. If BMW decides you were running a tune they won't cover it either (few guys on forums already learned the hard way). The only thing budget/poor enthusiasts can hope for is that they sell a boatload of these cars so junk yard engines stay available for years.
Last week my m240 suffered am injector failure replaced under warentee. I've had it back a few days and my first attempt over 50% throttle and it just happened again. I am not amused.
@@6.3amgt70 Turned out to be a faulty cam cover resulting in coolant leak and misfire. BMW fixed under warentee but refused to put an endoscope camera into the engine to check for bore damage.
@@ronaldov09 I hear the BMW models are ok with the B48 but I hear from here and there that minis with the B48 have electronic issues. I don't know too much about the B48 but I do know it's still reliable while the B58 is basically the big brother that is more built towards power and was a continuation of the next gen i6s for BMW to make for the next S motor(the S58 which is now being used in a few models out RN)
Simply Car Things yea I heard they can easily push 380whp with simple bolt on’s and stage 2 bm3, while still being reliable. Hopefully the b58 proves to be reliable over for long run, after the 4 year factory warranty is over, cause I think they’ve been out since like mid 2016 so like 3 and a half years now
B58-more reliable,can make easy power like the S55,higher compression ratio S55-reliable but has a crank issue that has been solved,makes more power because it has a bigger aftermarket,lower compression ratio.
@@juijgentan1281 well it'd practically save u the trouble from making the car break down. Theres already a decent bunch of S55s pulling 600-1000whp out there. The only con for the S55 is that it's just expensive.
Dude great video - flowed very well - very concisely written. I’ve done an e36 n54 swap and am currently working n54 e30 on my YT channel. But I’ve heard great things about b58 and your channel video came up as suggested on my feed. Now a b58 will be my next swap!! Thanks for the inspiration. Check me out!!
From what I've heard it's only a problem once u get in numbers in 730-800hp range and cooling becomes a possible problem but there really aren't that many to really say that yet but there are very few companies making new intercoolers for it.
The n54 already did 600hp on 100% stock block and head like 12 years ago (more than a 2JZ can claim), but the hype is real people are only learning about the potential of BMW engines now that they've put it in a Supra.
The only thing stopping the B58 from making better reliable power are the cast pistons. It needs forged pistons for peace of mind, because sooner or later cast pistons will crack.
wow this was such an informative and high quality video. great job. this was refreshing to see. most videos on youtube are complete fucking trash but this was great. thank you
You want to experience "punchy" turbo feel? go back to single scrolls lol.. power almost dead between 1-3K, but 3.5K to 5K it's a straight kick to the back lol
I'm amazed that so many automotive journalists/bloggers apparently miss or gloss over this North American market specific detail. Fact is, that the 382HP US variant of the B58 block deviates quite a bit from the lower HP Toyota/BMW version in a number of significant engine parts, i.e to only point out the different cylinder head (of the 382HP version) with a full external exhaust manifold (versus the often quoted B58 cylinder head with integrated exhaust manifold) and the larger turbo, as well as different pistons and connecting rods. Easy to see on realoem.com, when you compare any BMW model with a 340HP B58 engine (e.g. a Euro Z4 M40i) to a BMW with a 382HP engine (e.g. a US Z4 M40i). Still, enjoyed the video - good work!
@@SimplyCarThings Great video. I'd revisit the # of updates in Technical Update 1. More than slight hardware tweaks, IMHO. They redesigned the crank case (block). Lighter weight crank, forged pistons now, higher pressure high pressure fuel system that flows more fuel now . Rear Chain design changed and moved from 2 chains to 1 with a 30% reduction in friction- the labor costs if this chain needs replaced out of warrantee, is astronomical. New Cooling system: cylinder walls run warmer on one circuit, cylinder head same as TU0. The TU1 engines also get paired with the newer ZF 8HP51 transmission vs. the 8HP50, too. -Many of the updates from TU1 were moved forward to the S58.
@@emanymton5191 wow! that's way more changes than I would've expected to be honest. Do you have a source or link that also lists this information? Id like to make a video on this topic possibly
@@billamota basically, plus since its mostly BMW parts are interchangeable kinda making things like problems and repairs easy(well not For the cars body wise.)
Sales of 2 door 2 seater enthusiast cars are falling. It would be financially unwise or even a suicidal to build the all new Supra from scratch on it's own, meaning fanboys will never see a Supra again.
hey, this went right over the top of my head and I am a technician by trade (elect) Now what I want to know is I am going to buy an Ineos Grenadier it comes in a b58 or a b57 the 58 has better fuel economy but my mechanic is anti-diesel so guys, please can I have your opinion I would be eternally grateful and may Allah grant you a hundred camels.
no, sorry you cant replace the 2jz with a german motor in the supra. Japanese engineering over german always. A german motor is blasphemy in a supra. This is no real supra!
Lone Wolf I agree with u on that it’s not a real Supra but the retired 2jz Toyota doesn’t or didn’t have future plans to put a actual Supra motor in there Supra that’s something we have to live with
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The B58B30TÜ1, which is in the Supra and 840i, has 30% less friction in the chain drive for the cams, a 2kg lighter but stronger forged crankshaft and the new cylinder head has better cooling, too.
Just bought a 2019 m240i. Out of the box, it's an insanely fast daily. So much fun to drive.
Currently leasing an 2020 M340i, the performance is incredible.
rode in one recently and was blown away by how quick they are, great cars
Please update in the future on how she's holding up! I'm currently about to bite and make a flat-out purchase for one.
Yup I’m loving mine!!
Watching videos like this one really makes me happy that I bought my m140i !!! Thanks for all the great information bro !!!
anytime brotha! thank you!
It's weird how they put it in a Toyota and all of a sudden theres wayyy more tuning companies messing with BMW's now.
yea I agree, just goes to show the hype around the Supra name
You can thank fast and furious for that 😆
@@dtprodrive You can't thank what's already a mess mid way and B58 has no 10+ of reliable and tuning capability like 2jz or even better Smokey Nagata swapped a Supra with Toyota Century 1gzfe and thats a V12
Name one of those companies. You can't, because it's not true. MHD, PTF, Mission, DME etc had all released their B58 flash tunes prior to the release of the MK5 Supra.
Amano Yuuji lol greek tuner pushing 1000hp on b58 supra caling it the new 2jz
Keep making vids on the b58 please! It’s a hot topic
i'd really like to! thanks for watching!
The B58 as you say is a awesome engine my friend has this engine in his 340IX G20 he has already been in touch with G-Power who say it is safe at least to 550-600 BHP without to much engine work Omar your channel rocks
Thanks Paul! I'm sure his car is crazy fast!
B58 is also the HUSTLER!
Wish my m2 had the b58 instead of the n55 but I still love the looks and sound of it.
I thought the m2 had the S55 engine?
@@Zack_Axel 2016 to 2018 was n55
Man the B58 is amazing.
it really is!
Bro, you’re killing it with all the BMW content you’re putting out. Pure fire 🔥 BTW, Epstein didn’t kill himself. Keep up the good work!
thanks man!
I agree he didn't and I love my mk5 b58 tuned and pushing 550 plus
I got my Z4 with N58 4 months ago. I think there's no need to enhance power, it's just smooth and powerful enough. Love it.
Had my 2016 340i for about 3 months now and I must say the b58 is an absolute beast I’m loving it everyday
That’s awesome to hear man! glad you’re enjoying your daily 🤙🏼
I love my b58. Monster engine. Can't wait to upgrade the fuel pump and turbo.
I got my intake last lol. Went with the BMS because of you. Thanks man!
So glad to hear it man! Thank you for your feedback!
Great video brotha!
Thanks for watching, Jonathan! 🙏
I own a 2019 BMW 540i with the B58 engine. I am currently running Dinan software and this thing is a beast and great sleeper. It is easily as fast as the 2017 BMW 650i twin turbo V8 that I sold.
My M240i with the B58 is the first car I’ve owned where I haven’t immediately thought that some more power would be good. It’s so easy and cheap to get more power from it but it already feels like such a balanced car already, I don’t want to mess with that.
Besides, it can already struggle to get the power down sometimes with it being RWD. Adding another 100bhp would probably just be beneficial when doing high speed motorway pulls.
Did anyone else feel the same way but still tuned it? Thoughts?
Good video man! It's always interesting to hear the differences. Only connection I had to,any of these is when I,had my 2017 M2.
nice, those M2's are so much fun to drive!
Excellent content. Well described and presented.
Ed Pradeep Thank you so much!
My X3 M49i is sick. Had it for two days and already scheduled tuning next week. Adding 100hp
Early b58 turbos have external exhaust manifolds like that first picture you showed👍
i noticed that as I was editing the video! is it only the supras that have the internal setup?
Newer Bmw's also have the internal setup like the supra....all b series engines 3 and 4 cyl even have technical update engines where its that internal setup
@@matthewsandstrom7116 interesting, that makes a lot of sense. Thank you for your insight!
Love the BMW Supra thumbnail 🤣!!
exactly why i used it for the thumbnail 😎
What about the *M140i* 🤔
yep, it has the B58 as well so much of what's said here is applicable
Been watching your videos for awhile. I traded the m235 for the supra. Couldn’t have been happier.
nice man! that's a solid upgrade, gotta love the new supra
Impressive info. Way to go 👍👍👍
Glad it was helpful!
While I'm at the lower end of the OEM power range, love this motor in my 2019 M40i.
I am about to buy a 3 or 4 series bmw (m performance is a must) with either n55 or b58 engine. What do you think is the best move regarding price to value?
(Lately I have seen too many n55s with blown engines riding on a trailer at 70k kms).
was planning to get the veloster N but now iheard about this b58 engine and kinda want to go for this 340i bmw :)
THANK YOU KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK.
Nice informational video 👌
Thank you very much!
I also have 8 built-in parts, the meaning of which, to be honest, is not entirely clear to me. Since the BMW is a left-hand drive vehicle in Germany, I have to imagine things being adjusted by 180 degrees. Unfortunately I have different colors and at two points completely different plugs.
Could it be because I caught the last upgrade of the model, namely LC II?
The engine has noticeably more power and is more economical. A friend of mine works on a test bench of the TÜV. (In Germany, an official place that you have to visit every two years, because they check the chassis, tires, illegal tuning, etc.).
It gives me the opportunity to check the performance of my cars for free. After 5000 km, i.e. after the car had run in) I measured the performance on 3 days with different outside temperatures.
Measurement 1: about 5 degrees, cloudy, light rain: 374 hp at 6200 rpm, 604 Nm - are 34 hp more top speed 275 km / h
Measurement 2; 18 degrees, slightly cloudy, dry: 372 HP at 6100 rpm, 589 Nm - 32 HP more are Top Speed 275 km / h
Measurement 3; Over 27 degrees, dry, sun shines: 366 HP at 6300 rpm, 550 Nm - 26 HP more are Top Speed 275 km / h
The test results are there. Measured three times because the engine as a turbo strongly depends on the outside temperature. The cooler the air, the more oxygen. Especially the sultry summer weather of 27 degrees costs performance. In Germany, a car is considered standard when it has up to 10% more or 10% less power. Means that all values are completely in line, measurement 1 was at the limit, because 340PS + 34PS (10%) then result in 374 PS.
V-Max only regulated at 275 km / h instead of 250 km / h, which I measured several times using GPS. The speedometer then goes to 1, i.e. to the point where the tank is full. The tires are the runflats from the factory. They were on my 125i too, but the vehicle drove like wooden wheels. Still wanted to change, but my hander called that the m140i will no longer receive a four-cylinder as a straight six-cylinder and with front-wheel drive. I didn't want that.
In passing: BMW is a ripped off company. They bought up Rover, RR and Mini!? Rover was simply pushed away, the Mini sold easily, especially to young women. Limited edition as a two-seater with the B 58 engine. Unfortunately only 400 copies. Because the 340 PS are opposed to about 800 kg, what should I do with my other plugs or better said pin assignments? All friends who drive the m140i or m240i have the appearance of those shown in the video. My guess is that only the LC II in connection with the last major software update have this arrangement. My workshop didn't see that in the form either ....... thanks in advance, and everyone stays healthy!
B58 is awesome, but what I’m truly looking fwd to is what fca turbo in-line 6 will be like, also hear Lexus will be sharing the b58 in some of their vehicles also
interesting! I didn't know Lexus cars were gona get it as well
Don’t know for sure if it’ll be the b58, but the talks were about partnering with bmw to cut down development cost, Toyota/Lexus na v6 engines are maxed out, hence it’ll profit both companies to just share specific parts, I see a lot of companies doing this in the future to cut down on R&D
Lexus are switching to turbo charged engines???
To me, the N55 M engine edition was the most practical street BMW engine of all time. I say street, because I don't need much more than 600hp.
The N55 M engine is way more practical. BMW shot themselves in the foot by making the B58's cooling system way more complex than needs to be.
ESS has the best version of a simple, effective and efficient air to water intercooler.
Aside from adopting ESS intercooler system, the only upgrade the N55 M engine could use is a semi open deck design and an ESS/Lysholm type supercharger.
Approximately 4 minutes into this video, you can some shops removed BMW"s counterintuitive cooling system to a more coherent solution.
Moving the timing chain to the rear on the B58 looks impractical, too. As you can see, the N55's engine looks much more compact and easier to work around.
The B58 would have to be customized to to the 555's logical, sensible and practical approach to be worthy replacement for be a worthy replacement.
The N55's high quality aftermarket water pumps are good for an excess of 100,000 miles.
It would be good to focus a video of more about...shops that removed and replaced BMW's cooling system with a better solution.
Also, notice that the most reliable BMW engines of all recent time went up by threes:
N52
N55
B58
I understand where you're coming from but most B58's have already proven to be much stronger and more reliable than the N55. Just look at the manner in which Toyota adopted this powerplant for the Supra. The cooling system is fantastic and has proven to be quite robust on track and with higher mileage cars. Closed deck, and extreme efficiency
@@SimplyCarThings Toyota adopted the B58 ...with their own implemented customizations.
They started with the B58B3001 (the best B58) and highly likely integrated the most sensible features of the N55.
If I had to replace a N55 M engine, I would highly consider the B58B3001, but can't help it the N55 engine looks amazing. The design is awesome, plus it sounds amazing, too!
The N55 is an inline 6 engine that features a pivoted layout ... looking almost like a V engine.
Plus, the N55 can accept the N52 exhaust cams for more power. Sounds like an interesting topic. :)
Since Toyota has adopted the B58, it is unquestionably king.
Future aintenance seems like much costly proposition compared to the simplicity of the N55.
Finding shops that can customize the B58 to port injection and other cylinder head customizations would definitely work for me. Not that would get port injection for the street, however, it will be good to list shops that customized B58 heads, components, etc.
Just got my 340i xdrive today, coming From a slow Scion FR-S. It’s kinda scary how fast it accelerates being stock
congrats man! its definitely a big step up in power
I’m just here to learn more about the engine going into the ineos grenadier 🤣
I'm offended how he didnt mention the fact that it's also in the 540i lol
How competent is the LPFP on the b58?
it seems highly competent based off what tuners are able to squeeze from it
Depends on the car. The Supra has a higher flowing lpfp than the Z4
F30 340i have the same engine right?
yes
I wonder how the timing chain is going to hold up over time, with the timing chain in the rear that raises a big concern if i were to buy one of these cars in 10 years time
me too, that's a big concern since engine removal is required if it needs to be serviced
BMW does not make these cars for 2nd & 3rd hand buyers. Reliability to last thru the prospective 1st ownership is all that matters.
@@TucsonDude 2 things I gotta say to that. 1: you gotta pay to play with any Euro car. You can't just expect to pay 10 grand for a once 50-100k car and expect rainbows and sunshine. You gotta know your machine. You gotta be good with a wrench and don't be frugal. Do the things you know you can do yourself. Buy a BMW scan tool. BimmerGeeks protool or MHD. 2: don't over step your bounds. Have some money in the bank. If car terminology makes your head spin go buy a gutless kia. If car talk interest you then stick around and do some homework and always get a pre purchase inspection. Follow the trends don't be the trend setter. The trend setters are the ones who are gunna pay 4x what I will, so let 'em burn their money while i use my money to make it the best it can be. If you can't afford to fix it, walk and go buy a Toyota Corolla.
Great information on the b58!! I personally drive a 2019 M240i located in socal. It's stock rn haha 😂
great video. thanks
Thanks for watching bro!
Looking at purchasing a 2021 X3 M40I. Thoughts?
Awesome SUV. I think it's a great pick for what it offers
I just bought mine and I love it. Movesssssss
Can you explain the valve cover leaks and sensor issues with the N58 engine
I am in a market for a X3 or 340i
Just curious of reliability
I'm going between a 16 340xi or a 16 S4... Any suggestions on which direction I should go?
Cone filters like that break down on me in the summer; you should cut one open and see the inside, not much filtration.
Currently drive a 2019 m240i and I agree that the b58 is an amazing engine
I bet man, if youre in SoCal i would love to do a review on an M240 haha
Love the M240i but the rear diffuser looks gash. Trying to find one with huge fins that looks cool.
looking forward to the xdi pump
its gona be insane once people get their hands on it
i have a b58 with cpi kit and fbo would it do good with 100 octane ? instead of e60/
Big you can I would love a brake down with visuals one the composition of the B58
the b58 is in the 440i right?
Yes, it is!
N54 for life
What about the new s58, feels like the supra got the mid range engine while the new m3s will have the s58, so which has more modding and reliability capabilities?
I'll make a video on this, right now there isn't a whole lot of info on the S58 since it's only in the X3M/X4M models.
I’m sure there’ll be an S58 Supra at some point...
@@moham1287 possible, but highly doubt it, would be actually a loss for the guys who bought the current b58 supra, doubt Toyota will do that to their loyal fans, honestly feel Toyota has lost the plot, audi, bmw and Mercedes is on a completely different competitive level
@@moham1287 lol, no unless the Supra is 90k. You think bmw would allow use of the S58 in a car 30k less than the m3/m4. Toyota will never out spec the actual manufacturer at a lower price.
Its crazy the fact that the B58 is competing w/ S55 assuming you upgrade the HPFP.. WOW
Is the B58 biturbo? Or can someone explain what does twin power-turbo means. Im confused
Twin turbos on one turbo
@@bigpapi88 you made it more complicated
Closed block and arc jet coated cylinder walls you can't polish or sleeve them, any scoring and it's full engine replacement. If BMW decides you were running a tune they won't cover it either (few guys on forums already learned the hard way). The only thing budget/poor enthusiasts can hope for is that they sell a boatload of these cars so junk yard engines stay available for years.
Last week my m240 suffered am injector failure replaced under warentee. I've had it back a few days and my first attempt over 50% throttle and it just happened again. I am not amused.
ChipZilla69 I guarantee it’s sparks/ coils over injectors
@@6.3amgt70 Turned out to be a faulty cam cover resulting in coolant leak and misfire. BMW fixed under warentee but refused to put an endoscope camera into the engine to check for bore damage.
I have 2018 BMW 440I. I only put a JB4 chip so far. I don't want to lose my warranty
The high power B58, the B version, O1, also in Supra, does NOT have exhaust header intergraded into manifold.
I love my f31 340i mperformance with stage 1. Its a real sleeper and makes a lot of fun on the german Autobahn.🤣
How much to convert to an air to air port injection set up?
im not entirely sure, i bet if you searched through the forums you could find someone who's done it
I have the 2019 440 x drive GC with the B58.. how come no one mentions my car when reviewing this engine lol💀
let me review your car! and i'll make a whole detailed video on the 440i haha
😂😂😂
Simply Car Things Im down!
@@discountauto5487 are you located in socal? and if you have an instagram dm me! @simplycarthings_
I have a 2019 440 coupe w/xdrive and the MPPSK. Awesome combo. Friggin thing takes off.
B58 is super popular in the Uk.
How does the B48 hold up? Is it similar to the B58 (just 2 cylinders/1 litre less)?
I hear that there reliable. Buuuuutt depending on what cars there in tho.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 Can you elaborate on that, which cars are good/bad?
@@ronaldov09 I hear the BMW models are ok with the B48 but I hear from here and there that minis with the B48 have electronic issues. I don't know too much about the B48 but I do know it's still reliable while the B58 is basically the big brother that is more built towards power and was a continuation of the next gen i6s for BMW to make for the next S motor(the S58 which is now being used in a few models out RN)
Damn I had the chance to get the 240i... guess the 235i gotta do for now.
same haha, but i dont really care for huge power so im happy with the 235i
Simply Car Things yea I heard they can easily push 380whp with simple bolt on’s and stage 2 bm3, while still being reliable. Hopefully the b58 proves to be reliable over for long run, after the 4 year factory warranty is over, cause I think they’ve been out since like mid 2016 so like 3 and a half years now
Which is better? S55 Or B58?
B58-more reliable,can make easy power like the S55,higher compression ratio
S55-reliable but has a crank issue that has been solved,makes more power because it has a bigger aftermarket,lower compression ratio.
@@carboydorifutoparty3976 so S55 would be better after upgrading the crank.
@@juijgentan1281 well it'd practically save u the trouble from making the car break down. Theres already a decent bunch of S55s pulling 600-1000whp out there. The only con for the S55 is that it's just expensive.
Loving my 2017 M140i, remapped to 411bhp/576nm and can't think of a better daily driver.
Must be a total blast to drive around!
@@SimplyCarThings It's still very comfortable, quiet, and smooth in comfort mode, but yes, in sport+ it's a bit of a beast now heheh :-)
Just like x3 m40i with b58
Chris R exactly!
Dude great video - flowed very well - very concisely written. I’ve done an e36 n54 swap and am currently working n54 e30 on my YT channel. But I’ve heard great things about b58 and your channel video came up as suggested on my feed.
Now a b58 will be my next swap!! Thanks for the inspiration. Check me out!!
thanks so much man! glad you liked it! just went thru your channel and love the content! you have another subscriber 👍
Oil consumption is rarely discussed
I feel like the b58 would just be more of a headache having that intercooler.... If you upgrade to a big turbo that coolers gonna have to go
From what I've heard it's only a problem once u get in numbers in 730-800hp range and cooling becomes a possible problem but there really aren't that many to really say that yet but there are very few companies making new intercoolers for it.
Vortech and Kennebell support 1000 hp with liquid
I feel insulted😭, n54 gang
love my N54 homies
The n54 already did 600hp on 100% stock block and head like 12 years ago (more than a 2JZ can claim), but the hype is real people are only learning about the potential of BMW engines now that they've put it in a Supra.
@@BigUriel facts, BMW tuner engines like the N54 always flew under the radar until recently
M50 as well,that engine can hold 500+ all stock. Very remarkable for a commuter engine
SICK INTEGRATED HEAD MANIFOLDS BRO!
These things suck compared to an old ass barra lol.
I like to think my volvo t6 3.0 I6 is a cousin of the B58
I'm sure the B58 will have allot of stage 2 stuff in a few years !
oh yea it already does!
someone should make a red Monster energy drink logo for the supra engine cover
The only thing stopping the B58 from making better reliable power are the cast pistons. It needs forged pistons for peace of mind, because sooner or later cast pistons will crack.
wow this was such an informative and high quality video. great job. this was refreshing to see. most videos on youtube are complete fucking trash but this was great. thank you
You want to experience "punchy" turbo feel? go back to single scrolls lol.. power almost dead between 1-3K, but 3.5K to 5K it's a straight kick to the back lol
LS for the win!
Fo sho
I don't even care if someone swapped the A90 supra with an LS anymore it not even worh what Smokey Nagata want it to be
Are you aware that the 2020 X3 M40i and possibly other M40i models come with a new B58D? up from 355HP to 382HP. Surprised you did not mention this.
Yea I am but it is inherently the same engine with some slight hardware tweaks and software revisions
I'm amazed that so many automotive journalists/bloggers apparently miss or gloss over this North American market specific detail. Fact is, that the 382HP US variant of the B58 block deviates quite a bit from the lower HP Toyota/BMW version in a number of significant engine parts, i.e to only point out the different cylinder head (of the 382HP version) with a full external exhaust manifold (versus the often quoted B58 cylinder head with integrated exhaust manifold) and the larger turbo, as well as different pistons and connecting rods. Easy to see on realoem.com, when you compare any BMW model with a 340HP B58 engine (e.g. a Euro Z4 M40i) to a BMW with a 382HP engine (e.g. a US Z4 M40i). Still, enjoyed the video - good work!
@@bernie-k agreed. As I understand it, it is quite an improvement from 2019.
@@SimplyCarThings Great video. I'd revisit the # of updates in Technical Update 1. More than slight hardware tweaks, IMHO. They redesigned the crank case (block). Lighter weight crank, forged pistons now, higher pressure high pressure fuel system that flows more fuel now . Rear Chain design changed and moved from 2 chains to 1 with a 30% reduction in friction- the labor costs if this chain needs replaced out of warrantee, is astronomical. New Cooling system: cylinder walls run warmer on one circuit, cylinder head same as TU0. The TU1 engines also get paired with the newer ZF 8HP51 transmission vs. the 8HP50, too. -Many of the updates from TU1 were moved forward to the S58.
@@emanymton5191 wow! that's way more changes than I would've expected to be honest. Do you have a source or link that also lists this information? Id like to make a video on this topic possibly
High compression inline 6 engine. 👍💪
Two things that made Supra a legend: the 2JZ engine and the cock pit. Toyota managed to lose both.
It obviously worked for Toyota, using BMW parts saves alot of money and has gotten everyones attention cause it's a "supra"
@@billamota basically, plus since its mostly BMW parts are interchangeable kinda making things like problems and repairs easy(well not For the cars body wise.)
Sales of 2 door 2 seater enthusiast cars are falling. It would be financially unwise or even a suicidal to build the all new Supra from scratch on it's own, meaning fanboys will never see a Supra again.
My b58 (440i) with 630 hp rules 70000 Kilometer WITH OUT PROBLEM.
hey, this went right over the top of my head and I am a technician by trade (elect) Now what I want to know is I am going to buy an Ineos Grenadier it comes in a b58 or a b57 the 58 has better fuel economy but my mechanic is anti-diesel so guys, please can I have your opinion I would be eternally grateful and may Allah grant you a hundred camels.
I can’t wait to own an affordable better looking Supra 😎
No ones going to buy a supra with a pos german engine.....keep putting 2jz and rb26 in your bmws you clowns.
MR TRUMP MR FARAGE MR JOHNSON nahh lmao i think i’ll keep my german engine
Does it really ? asking for MB 2 l - 4 cyl generating over 400 hp. B58 with two extra cylinders should be producing 600 hp
B58 is the next 2JZ we all respect the legendary 2JZ as a BMW fan❤️ good shit BMW!
no, sorry you cant replace the 2jz with a german motor in the supra. Japanese engineering over german always. A german motor is blasphemy in a supra. This is no real supra!
Lone Wolf I agree with u on that it’s not a real Supra but the retired 2jz Toyota doesn’t or didn’t have future plans to put a actual Supra motor in there Supra that’s something we have to live with
@@rafaelgrullon11 very true, something is better than nothing.
They are trying so hard to push this junk box onto the public..
I put a simple PCM upgrade on my 17 CLS 550.. It gave it 540 hp / 715 TQ... $1500
👍👍👍👍
Two exhaust ports are only Supra. BMW B58 has individual exhaust ports
the new M340i and Z4 M40i have twin exhaust ports also i believe
Actually the new 2021 Supra also has 6 ports like the Z4 does
Stroke is king
m140i also has this engine
yessir, I wish we had it in the states
@@SimplyCarThings the M240 has this same engine but it's a two door coupe.
@@babajungLA yep, gotta love the M240
Can’t wait to see the S58 on the M3/4
gona be an incredible engine!
The BMW Supra! So this isn’t really a Toyota Supra at all.
I want one...BMDuBra 2020😁🙏
hahahaha, i want one too!
@@SimplyCarThings hell yes🔥🙏
Because it’s a BMW, starting with a M50, crazy cheap power can be had.
true true, good point
Such a shame they didn’t put this in the M2 😢
S55
@@Dickusification I prefer the b58
you went to sema i’m jealous lmaoo
i had to do it bro!
great overview. Too bad its not a Supra!
Spool Performance already has a B58 HPFP upgrade