It was fun. On the one hand I'm glad I went because it was certainly something special to be a part of. And it worked out well given the technical difficulties with the online stream lol. But TBH it may have actually hindered my initial analysis because I didn't have the benefit of the insight provided by the commentators and I wasn't close enough to see any detail on these guys in the flesh and had to rely on the jumbotrons anyway. I might go again for 2019 because it's poised to be an epic show but I'm not so sure it's in the best interest of this channel.
@@Tomn8er you watched a legend get dethroned and saw the crowd go crazy, that was an amazing feat on its own. But i agree with you, next year's mr. O will bring tons of hype because we are 99.9% getting a new champion. You are a great raw commentator, good job on your end.
@@Tomn8er how so? I mean how is it not in the best interest of the channel? I mean your subscribers are in a way living vicariously through your experience and appreciate the credibility you gain by your attendance. I live in Australia and can only dream of attending the event myself. It was the experience of a lifetime when I attended in 2009 & saw history being made. You stand the chance to see it being made for the second time if Phil were to come back next year and regain the title. Or even saw someone else take it from Shawn. It's an exciting time in bodybuilding. I have loved watching the Olympia every year since I was 10 years old (35 times) either on video, DVD, or more recently by FREE webcast. I used to have to wait 6-months after the event to pay $70 to by a vhs of the competition just to see who had won. You have a truly golden opportunity, and your subscribers would love it.
Lets say 75% then. Phil, Kai, Ramy, Bonac, Roelly...5 guys who can surely dethrone him, not to mention that if Cedric ever nails his conditioning _really_ well, then he is an automatic top 3 imo.
I think Rhoden really did his homework. He knew where he could own Phil. He knew what just to do. Phil just couldn’t keep his stomach in and Rhoden knew it. I like Rhoden as Champ. Phil is great though
Watch again at 3:35 IMO it started as a staredown, but there was some concern for Phil. Watch all the way until after Roelly says something and Phill replies with the thumbs up.
Your honesty and openness is so much more rewarding to watch than Nick's videos, where he is trying to please everyone by not saying anything at all. Keep on doing Your thing!!
I know right? Nick apologizes for every fucking word or comment he is about to make, its getting downright annoying. Every time '' Now i'm not saying that '' or, '' However i gotta say ''. Like the dude is scared to death to say some criticism. You never hear him say '' He looked like complete shit '' Its always '' He looked a little bit off but the rest is very impressive''. Grow some balls will ya? Maybe it has got something to do with his sponsors or something idk. All i know is he is the same pussboy like some of commentators themselves. For strength and power in his name he is still pretty weak opinion wise.
@@Mocroskate if he does take the approach that he does for the sake of Sponsoring, then its safe to say all of us would take the safe route as well if we had the opportunities that come his way
Fair enough, but i wont take him seriously as a critic anymore then. It defeats the whole purpose of criticizing someone if it's not your honest opinion. Enough people in the BB world who sugarcoat shit because their afraid of their sponsors/contractors. Don't need more of those kind on the internet.
@@BTCministries7 Not to mention that his fanbase is growing exponentially and you know say the wrong/right thing on UA-cam and you're pretty much a target.
Yeah I have noticed him changing his words like crazy. For example Wesley analysis, in his first video he says “Wesley was way way off”now second video it’s like “His conditioning wasn’t horrible it was just off”. What the fuck, be a man and stick to your comments or if not sure don’t pass loose comments unless sure.
Unsportsmanlike? Really? When I first saw Rhoden stare down heath, it almost looked like he was worried Heath was going to collapse from being so out of breath. Also in 2017 heath stared down ramy in the back double bicep when he got moved to the outside. All that is just showmanship and playing the game. True unsportsman like conduct in my opinion is taking off the 2nd place medal walking halfway across the stage and refusing to do any interviews. Lol
"True unsportsman like conduct in my opinion is taking off the 2nd place medal walking halfway across the stage and refusing to do any interviews." LOL true! I was disappointed the way he handled that defeat. Almost as bad as Flex Wheeler in 99. Although to be fair when he did speak afterwards he was full of humility.
Rhoden was seeing if Phil was ok. You can see that Roelly was looking at him too, and then Phil nodded that he was. I don't think he was doing it to try and intimidate him or anything.
+Dimitri Landis Excellent observations. At 3:35 Rhoden does stare at Heath, and Heath keeps staring straight ahead, then Winklaar seems to ask if Heaths ok, to which Heath nods to the affirmative(while staring directly ahead) then even gives a "thumbs up" with his right(stage left) hand. Non of this was caught during stills, I;m glad you brought it to the forefront Dmitri.
Phil's breathing problems are really starting to worry me. Could be cardiomegaly, could be something else. There are moments here where he looks like Dallas McCarver did at his final show.
Luch The effect of tren on breathing is temporary and acute. He would not have shot some tren right before the show. Gotta be something chronic, like an enlarged heart.
To make watching this match my experience, I paused it every 15 seconds for a minute and a half, refreshed the video, pause after a minute, cooked a meal, came back and refreshed again...
Thanks for taking time to do an additional video. I think quite a bit of fan judging is done in terms of a general impressions. If we're going on looking better on stage there are about 100 contests I want to overturn. People like Charles Clairmonte and Shawn Ray should have been able to step on stage without posing and won.
Shawn rhoden and roeally winklar brought it and that put more pressure on Phil he didn't look as impressive as usual for that reason. and he was a little off.
As for Shawn, he came out like his was Mr. Olympia from pre-judging. He was comfortable, and extremely confident. If any of you met Shawn in person, you'll quickly realise that he's always calm, he's very, very relaxed. He held his poses with ease. He just brought it and knew it was his year. He'll repeat imo, but it'll be hard
I think a lot of people, even the judges would agree with me that Phil wasn't awful or anything, It's just that his game, the fullness and roundness with finer details, looked unimpressive next to a guy with better lines, a lot better conditioning, aesthetics, better presentation, and another guy who is 2 inches shorter yet 50 pounds heavier than him, with a small midsection and wide shoulders, and has pretty good flow and great conditioning despite being a massmonster. The fact is in every single aspect either Roelly or Shawn was blowing away Phil, while bringing their own strength to the stage in addition. Even on the HD pictures, in poses like the back double biceps, my eyes were drawn to Shawn's extremely well conditioned lower body and torso, then Roelly's shoulders and arms. About the finer details btw, Phil wasn't far ahead, not at all. In certain poses he looked smooth compared to Shawn. I know you like Phil, because he kinda resembles Shawn Ray, and brings similar qualities, but this year, Roelly and Shawn made Phil look unimpressive. P.S. Shawn Ray is better than Phil.
he had less detail this year. he was off. a little flat a little less conditioned. if were to put a number on it id say he was about 85%. still gave a 110% shawn a good fight. If phil shows up 95% next year he will destroy shawn like he did in 2016. There, it was the other way round, shawn looked extremly unimpressive standing next to full to the brim phil. Thats the problem with shaun he needs to be diced and sliced if he wants to have any chance of standing next to a close to 100% phil, otherwise he will not just lose to phil, but other guys will overtake him as well. Phil can afford to be off and still hang, shawn off is whole another story he will struggle to be in top 5 like in 2017.
+Levan I disagree, Rhodens conditioning was superior to Phils. Phils inability to control his abdomen during heavy breathing was worth a couple points, but his conditioning was off. He left the door open and someone was there to step in. Phils abdomen looked better than 2017 so far as his umbilical hernia not protruding, but when hitting abs and thighs, his abdomen looked very flat. Even if Phil could have controlled his breathing, thus controlling his abs, he was down on conditioning to Rhoden. Phils front double bicep looked odd as well. Its going to be interesting in 2019.
yeah back is a huge body part, that's almost half of your body.I guess anyone can be mr olmpia now as long as they have details. Morel could win it without legs. Johnny jackson should've won a couple. Judging system is all messed up now. Also, people gung ho about rhoden's aesthetics. What about the x man tony freeman, he was aesthetic af in his prime. And he was HUGE. 280lbs. But they always chose the freaks over him. Even bracnh warren the worst aesthetics of them all consistently beat him. All of sudden shaun's like the messiah of bodybuilding. Give me a fucking break. At best he is a poorman's x man. Kinda harsh but its true.
I think Phil was still the only guy who should have won. Don't get me wrong, I don;t like him as a champion, but he had only one weakness: the gut. Yes he was off compared to previous years but his conditioning was still enough for today's standards. Other than this Phil actually doesn't have any weaknesses, and Shawn's body is a whole weakness. He is not aesthetic at all and I don't get why they call him aesthetic. If you wanna see aesthetics go see guys like Flex Wheeler, Lee Labrada etc.
I like Shawns shape better everywhere over Phil except his hamstrings and side triceps. Shawns shoulders, chest, abbs, quads, biceps all look better to me. Shawn is also naturally wider. Phil relaxed has a waist wider than his rib cage.
Yeah he just needs to add a little more size to his legs and also more detail to the back, but he looked insanely wide in the front relaxed, fdb and fls...
I was there at the finals and know what I saw. It was one of the best versions of Ramy, if not his best ever. His posing routine was undoubtedly his best ever. He was hitting classic poses and all towards the end. The amount of improvements he brought to the final from the day before was unbelievable - tighter, dry and detailed. I certainly thought he did enough to get to that top 4 callout and be compared with. But sadly the judges had their minds made already. He has improved his calves, traps, shoulders are 3D, width, back. It is just matter of time before he can be undeniable.
That front lat spread...god...Roden just killing it. Winkler looking good also. Dexter starting to blow his lines out now. Rear double bicep from Rammy is out of this world in the upper body. Curry looks great but needs legs.
In a way it is good that they didn't give to Phil Heath, even so i think he deserves to win this time too. It is a wake-up call for Phil to fix his problems, i don't know why, but i am 99% sure that Phil will win next year, of course if he fix his problems, his problems are his midsection his stomach, he have to learn to control it, to keep it tight, and he need to have a better condition, his condition wasn't that good this year, he is only 38, he still can win. Shawn Rhoden is 43. Thx for the video brother.
thanks for a nice revisit. great job on not being too stubborn. i mean, if Phil makes a comeback - go to fucking town on us! but right now. we were all just watching him gasp on stage. it was not a great look.
Based on the front shots Rhoden just had a more polished look. Side and back shots still go to Phil. Phil has more muscle and is more round but he didn't look crisp. His conditioning was off, but it wasn't THAT off. His gut though, has grown and along with that hernia, I see why the judges made their decision. If Phil can correct the stomach issue and come in again conditioned ( I think he just missed his peak) I think he can easily retake the title. Shawn was awesome but Phil is a beast I think a lot of people have gotten used to how good he really is. Given the circumstance I think Shawn was the rightful winner. Hopefully he can retain it.
Ramy's structure is so good. That's a shame he couldn't do better. Even though they judge the mandatory poses, the video footage is actually really helpful in order to judge the guys: best example is the christmas tree of Shawn that you don't really see when he hits the pose. Shawn's smart because he hides somehow his gut with his arm when not hitting the pose. Then he hits it with a flat belly.
His structure yes. But he's not taking a smart approach. He needs to stop training quads almost altogether and focus on bringing up his calves and even hamstrings a bit. He needs to practice his posing more. And for god sakes he needs to stop playing the size game already and focus on coming in peeled to the bone for once!
I agree regarding the quads. He would still have one of the most if not the most impressive quads. Now last year (if I'm not mistaken), he came a little smaller (at least at the prejudging) and it felt weird. As for Nathan, I really think he has the worst "physique" of all the guys from the 1st and 2nd callout. His lats are way too high and it looks really weird from the front. The fact that he's stretching so much his abs when hitting the pose doesn't help also. I was expecting something from Sergio this year, I guess that didn't happen (last if I'm correct). I would be interested to see the footage as well. Unless you're not in the front seat row, I don't think you could really make a fair statement of everyone's from so that's cool that you reviewed the show again with this particular footage. Of course the hype when you heard "and new Mr. Olympia..." must have been epic nonetheless :-) This year was so refreshing. Roelly looked great. He's bringing a mix of all the other guys, with mass, structure, aesthetic (as you can be) without being too blocky (as compared to William). William's midsection is way too blocky, not sure he can reproduce his second placing in the future. His back is really is assurance to the final callout.
@@Tomn8er - I was there at the finals and know what I saw. It was one of the best versions of Ramy, if not his best ever. His posing routine was undoubtedly his best ever. He was hitting classic poses and all towards the end. The amount of improvements he brought to the final from the day before was unbelievable - tighter, dry and detailed. I certainly thought he did enough to get to that top 4 callout and be compared with. But sadly the judges had their minds made already. He has improved his calves, traps, shoulders are 3D, width, back. It is just matter of time before he can be undeniable.
The Amazing Lucas has an amazing video about the recent olympia. Shawn Rhoden winning is...confusing to say the least. He's got a classic like physique.
Phil was certainly winded a normal respiratory rate is 12-20 breaths per minute at rest. Heath was breathing at 44 breaths/minute, Rhoden at about 28 bpm, Roelly at approx 48bpm and Bonac approx. 40 breaths per minute. When your brain detects an increase in Carbon Dioxide in your blood, caused by physical straining such as flexing almost every muscle in your body as hard as you can, while attempting to hold your abdomen as tight as possible, which limits the ability to breathe, increased cardio vascular output is required. The sensation to breath more deeply and rapidly is best described as air hunger. For the lungs this entails increased amounts of air to be breathed in and out by the lung, in other words, increased ventilation volume is required. The lungs can accomplish this in a few different ways. a)One is to increase your respiration rate, or have an increase of complete inspiration and expiration (breath in and breath out) cycles per minute, or b) you can keep the rate of respirations constant while increasing the volume of each inspiration and expiration cycle, in other words your breath deeper. c)The most efficient manner in which to increase Oxygen(O2) intake and increase Carbon Dioxide(CO2) output is to increase both the rate AND the depth of respirations simultaneously. All this extra gas exchange is a waste if its delivery rate remains constant, this is where the heart must increase its volume of delivered blood. It does this by increasing both its heart rate, the number of contraction and relaxation cycles per minute and its stroke volume(amount of blood pumped for each full contraction and relaxation of both the Atria and Ventricles of the heart). Rhoden appeared to be the most relaxed breathing-wise on stage, both from his lower breathing rate and shallow depth of breathing. Roelly and Bonac were showing more signs of air hunger, and they were consciously controlling their breathing by breathing faster, but not breathing deeply. This allowed both of them to take on more O2 and blow off more CO2 while at the same time keeping tension in their lower abs. You could really see Roelly concentrating on taking shallow quick breaths in between poses.For some reason Phil is experiencing some very pronounced air hunger. His rising levels of CO2 in his blood are forcing him to breath not only faster, but very deeply. In doing so, he is forced to lose tension in his lower abs in order to breath. He is fighting it very hard, but the drive to breath when depleted is overwhelming. While Phils umbilical hernia surgery was successful in that it no longer protrudes like it did in 2017, his abs muscles, his 6-pack was more flat this year with abdominal distention both outwards towards the front, and increased waist width to the sides is more evident and is only compounded with his more narrow shoulder width. There were certain poses where his abdominals were barely visible and appeared "washed out" or "soft". When compared side by side with Shawns wider shoulders, narrower waist, creating a more pronounced V-taper coupled with sharply shaped abdominals and more controlled abdominal distention and better overall conditioning, with an excellent Christmas tree(visible at times) great glute, hamstring and calve conditioning was just enough for Shawn to take the win. IMO all the hoopla about Phils abdominal distention is undeserved. His protruding navel(bellybutton) caused by an umbilical hernia is improved, but that improvement was lost due to his overall deficit in crispness and conditioning. When all 4 finalists were group posing, every single athlete at one time or another while onstage could be viewed with his abdomen distended out further than his chest. Phil's abdomen didn't lose him the Sandow, his lack of overall conditioning compounded by Rhodens best presentation did. Phil's worst got him a 2nd place to Rhodens best. That's how close the competition is, for Olympia competition, it's the best man on that day. This was clearly evidenced during the 2018 edition of the worlds best bodybuilding competition, the Mr Olympia. I can't wait for 2019.
Hey just noticed this but does Cedric have a knarley ab split around 7:40 just before he flexes into abs n thighs ..... has that always been like that ... cuz its like a doughnut
Good breakdown. Phil's best points by far are his arms, aside from the arms and possibly side-chest, he doesn't bring much to the table of visual appeal. Nonetheless he looks great when conditioned and in shape. However, Rhoden was clearly superior overall bar the arm development in contrast to Phil. Shawn's victory here is well deserved, and further reiterates why Phil would have had issues standing next to Flex Wheeler and others from the golden age.
I have a question. Why do Mr. Olympias come heavier each year? I mean whu couldn't Phil Heath stay in his 2011 look? (same with ronnie, dorian etc). Is it something that come naturally from chronic steroid use, the added size, or is ti something they do on purpose? A frame can hold just as much muscle before it loses definition from overly muscle physiques.
I think it's just human nature to strive to progress. To be fair, Phil's brought up his back and legs considerably since 2011 (even though his overall shape has been compromised in the process).
Agreed with everything u said exept for when u said phill and Shawn are matched on hamstrings. Look again phill is miles ahead in all shots from the back
I hope Roelly wins himself a Mr. Olympia soon. His abs are really starting to spread apart..... I really don't want to wake up one morning, and read/watch any news about him dying from his insides busting through his abdomen.
Rhoden reminds me of frank Zane of today. He beat him on shredz and cardiovascular shape. Mr Olympia can’t look like he’s about to have an asthma attack on stage and a clear bowling ball gut. He will get it back I bet this year though.
Phil reminded me of an Old Lion struggling to take down the new Lions in his Territory. They're too strong for him to defeat. He can only hang in there for a little while before he winded and can no longer keep up. In all seriousness though, Phil will sit this year out and he'll be back next year. If he comes in tight and conditioned, he'll kill everyone. He needs to downsize a little and start looking more like his 2011/2012 package.
Times change and I guess that Shawn Roden's physique is now the one that the judges are going for. Plus, he's come in super shredded and has zero gut. Phil Heath's problem, apart from the gut and the inferior conditioning, is that he's neither big like Roelly Winklaar nor aesthetic like Roden. He's neither one thing nor the other. To win a Mr O you have to tell the judges "Hey, this what you looking for?" Roden did. He just oozed confidence..... BTW don't understand why Bonac doesn't tone down and go into the 212 for an almost certain 1st place....
Bonac stands to make way more money placing 4th in Open than 1st in 212. He was 3rd last year and won the 2018 Arnold lol so while his short stature may be more well-suited to 212 on paper, he's doing pretty damn well for himself!
Here's the problem with too many people when assessing and judging bodybuilding. They see everything from a fragmented perspective with emphasis placed on individual body parts. Comparisons are made on an individual body part to individual body part basis. Most people have lost the ability to assess and judge a physique from a holistic perspective. They simply don't have the ability to see and explain the parts of the body in reference to the whole. Some typical comments to exemplify this include "on a per body part to body part comparison", "besides the gut, every other body part is better", "the Olympia is won from the back" and there's many more. Based on this every bodybuilder has strengths and weaknesses and what should ultimately separate the best from the rest is the OVERALL PACKAGE. Just because Phil's back shots were better, it shouldn't be rewarded with the Sandow. Conversely, just because Rhoden's front shot were better it shouldn't be rewarded with the Sandow. OVERALL, Rhoden well and truly deserved the title. Phil Heath should've placed way less than 2nd. That gut ruined the WHOLE package.
It’s hard to take the Tomn8er seriously as an analyst now after listening to his first reaction after prejudging. The Phil Heath fanboy “it’s not as close as you think video”
Big Ramy should really think about loosing a ton of weight. If he’s just screwing around, its time to think about his health. 300+ guys don’t hang around very long.
If we zoom in on Phil vs. Shawn, it's basicly a question of preference. To me there's no clear cut winner - they both have strong points and weak points in their physique. It really comes down to what the judges put more emphasize on. Phils overall muscularity is still ahead of Shawns in several bodyparts, but Shawn has the more pleasing silhouette with a better v-taper and a more controlled and shredded midsection. It seem like the agenda of the judging criteria has changed this year, and I personally welcome it.
wwwstol phil has one weakness and thats his stomach. Rhoden on the other hand has multiple flaws. I dont know whats worse his back, his non existent tris or his flat smooth synthol bis
Dude, all 3 were looking at Phil, not just RHoden, pause at 3:44 Phil was a mess, if anything he was probalby concerned for Phil....Shawn is caring person...
The only reason why I feel lost because of his stomach. You can say rodent one this shot that shot Rhoden was good enough so they could give it to him I believe he deserved the win Phil is going to take the year off get the proper procedure done on his stomach and then we will see how he comes out
"Phil heath doesn't have the best structure or best frame, he has to make up for it with detail", I disagree I reckon without the stomach issues he actually takes Rhoden. He's quite narrow but a lot of compact muscle. Details like no other, how many times have we seen a narrow guy win from the back, he's the GIFT. Not a Phil Heath fan and was in absolute agreement with this year's results.
What exactly is it you disagree with? You just said yourself he’s quite narrow (aka his structure / frame). So you agree. He also states he overcomes that flaw with detail, you then point out his incredible detail, so you agree. Must I keep going lol
@@MrXennon1 three years late. What do I disagree with? I mean that's a pretty steep ask, I don't really give a shit tbf, The Olympia has shifted since. Bodybuilding being an opinionated "Sport". Just because he has narrow shoulders this is not completely definitive of his structure. It's definitive of his frame. When you take the definition of structure put simply "the arrangement between parts" - Phil Heath has probably one of the best that three dimensional look His symmetry is certainly up there. But his frame isn't the best. I was encompassing the quote so "frame" was part of the quote.
Did you enjoy the experience of watching it in person? Will you attend 2019?
It was fun. On the one hand I'm glad I went because it was certainly something special to be a part of. And it worked out well given the technical difficulties with the online stream lol. But TBH it may have actually hindered my initial analysis because I didn't have the benefit of the insight provided by the commentators and I wasn't close enough to see any detail on these guys in the flesh and had to rely on the jumbotrons anyway. I might go again for 2019 because it's poised to be an epic show but I'm not so sure it's in the best interest of this channel.
@@Tomn8er you watched a legend get dethroned and saw the crowd go crazy, that was an amazing feat on its own. But i agree with you, next year's mr. O will bring tons of hype because we are 99.9% getting a new champion. You are a great raw commentator, good job on your end.
@@Tomn8er how so? I mean how is it not in the best interest of the channel? I mean your subscribers are in a way living vicariously through your experience and appreciate the credibility you gain by your attendance. I live in Australia and can only dream of attending the event myself. It was the experience of a lifetime when I attended in 2009 & saw history being made. You stand the chance to see it being made for the second time if Phil were to come back next year and regain the title. Or even saw someone else take it from Shawn. It's an exciting time in bodybuilding. I have loved watching the Olympia every year since I was 10 years old (35 times) either on video, DVD, or more recently by FREE webcast. I used to have to wait 6-months after the event to pay $70 to by a vhs of the competition just to see who had won. You have a truly golden opportunity, and your subscribers would love it.
Tomn8er the energy must have been crazy when Shawn won😆
Lets say 75% then. Phil, Kai, Ramy, Bonac, Roelly...5 guys who can surely dethrone him, not to mention that if Cedric ever nails his conditioning _really_ well, then he is an automatic top 3 imo.
Big Ramy is so freakin' wide he should be the stage next year.
No the stage still is bigger and works better than walking on a human
I think Rhoden really did his homework. He knew where he could own Phil. He knew what just to do. Phil just couldn’t keep his stomach in and Rhoden knew it. I like Rhoden as Champ. Phil is great though
Rhoden COMPLETELY stared him down.....and I LOVED it!!!
We all did.
Totally! That wasn't poor sportsmanship as Tomn8r says, Rhoden was just confidently claiming the title. A bit of provocation benefits the show.
Larsbutnotleast 💯
Watch again at 3:35 IMO it started as a staredown, but there was some concern for Phil. Watch all the way until after Roelly says something and Phill replies with the thumbs up.
Yeah he was gasping. All of them were waiting on him to regain composure.
Your honesty and openness is so much more rewarding to watch than Nick's videos, where he is trying to please everyone by not saying anything at all. Keep on doing Your thing!!
I know right? Nick apologizes for every fucking word or comment he is about to make, its getting downright annoying. Every time '' Now i'm not saying that '' or, '' However i gotta say ''. Like the dude is scared to death to say some criticism. You never hear him say '' He looked like complete shit '' Its always '' He looked a little bit off but the rest is very impressive''. Grow some balls will ya? Maybe it has got something to do with his sponsors or something idk. All i know is he is the same pussboy like some of commentators themselves. For strength and power in his name he is still pretty weak opinion wise.
@@Mocroskate if he does take the approach that he does for the sake of Sponsoring, then its safe to say all of us would take the safe route as well if we had the opportunities that come his way
Fair enough, but i wont take him seriously as a critic anymore then. It defeats the whole purpose of criticizing someone if it's not your honest opinion. Enough people in the BB world who sugarcoat shit because their afraid of their sponsors/contractors. Don't need more of those kind on the internet.
@@BTCministries7 Not to mention that his fanbase is growing exponentially and you know say the wrong/right thing on UA-cam and you're pretty much a target.
Yeah I have noticed him changing his words like crazy. For example Wesley analysis, in his first video he says “Wesley was way way off”now second video it’s like “His conditioning wasn’t horrible it was just off”. What the fuck, be a man and stick to your comments or if not sure don’t pass loose comments unless sure.
Unsportsmanlike? Really? When I first saw Rhoden stare down heath, it almost looked like he was worried Heath was going to collapse from being so out of breath. Also in 2017 heath stared down ramy in the back double bicep when he got moved to the outside. All that is just showmanship and playing the game. True unsportsman like conduct in my opinion is taking off the 2nd place medal walking halfway across the stage and refusing to do any interviews. Lol
"True unsportsman like conduct in my opinion is taking off the 2nd place medal walking halfway across the stage and refusing to do any interviews." LOL true! I was disappointed the way he handled that defeat. Almost as bad as Flex Wheeler in 99. Although to be fair when he did speak afterwards he was full of humility.
@@Tomn8er Full of humility? I think not, it seemed more like self pity to me.
Yeah that wasn't humility. That was a cocky guy faking to be graceful in well deserved defeat, rather unsuccessfully.
Rhoden was seeing if Phil was ok. You can see that Roelly was looking at him too, and then Phil nodded that he was. I don't think he was doing it to try and intimidate him or anything.
+Dimitri Landis Excellent observations. At 3:35 Rhoden does stare at Heath, and Heath keeps staring straight ahead, then Winklaar seems to ask if Heaths ok, to which Heath nods to the affirmative(while staring directly ahead) then even gives a "thumbs up" with his right(stage left) hand. Non of this was caught during stills, I;m glad you brought it to the forefront Dmitri.
Phil's face when he hits the front lat spread gets me everytime. He looks like a constipated joker lol
Unsportsmanlike? That was pure theatre and will become an iconic shot representative of one of the most memorable Olympia's in the last 20 years.
Phil's breathing problems are really starting to worry me. Could be cardiomegaly, could be something else. There are moments here where he looks like Dallas McCarver did at his final show.
Adam Ragusea too much tren
Luch The effect of tren on breathing is temporary and acute. He would not have shot some tren right before the show. Gotta be something chronic, like an enlarged heart.
I always finding myself coming to watch your videos when it's time to wrap up Mr O. Very good videos man.
Shawn just flows so nice. Thx for the vid!
Glad to see that you can view these things both from the pictures, video, and in person.
Roelly holds his hands behind his back for the side tricep hahah
Your analysis is spot on this time.
To make watching this match my experience, I paused it every 15 seconds for a minute and a half, refreshed the video, pause after a minute, cooked a meal, came back and refreshed again...
you are like doctor breaking down the physiques and poses. you show what is going through the judges minds and i feel like one watching your videos
Brandon curry back double is insane !
Thanks for taking time to do an additional video. I think quite a bit of fan judging is done in terms of a general impressions. If we're going on looking better on stage there are about 100 contests I want to overturn. People like Charles Clairmonte and Shawn Ray should have been able to step on stage without posing and won.
Shawn rhoden and roeally winklar brought it and that put more pressure on Phil he didn't look as impressive as usual for that reason. and he was a little off.
3:35 Phil Heath is gasping for air.....Shawn Rhoden, William Bonac, and Roelly Winklaar are all looking at him.
As for Shawn, he came out like his was Mr. Olympia from pre-judging. He was comfortable, and extremely confident. If any of you met Shawn in person, you'll quickly realise that he's always calm, he's very, very relaxed.
He held his poses with ease. He just brought it and knew it was his year. He'll repeat imo, but it'll be hard
Btw, was this one of the best second callouts ever? Wow.
I think a lot of people, even the judges would agree with me that Phil wasn't awful or anything, It's just that his game, the fullness and roundness with finer details, looked unimpressive next to a guy with better lines, a lot better conditioning, aesthetics, better presentation, and another guy who is 2 inches shorter yet 50 pounds heavier than him, with a small midsection and wide shoulders, and has pretty good flow and great conditioning despite being a massmonster. The fact is in every single aspect either Roelly or Shawn was blowing away Phil, while bringing their own strength to the stage in addition. Even on the HD pictures, in poses like the back double biceps, my eyes were drawn to Shawn's extremely well conditioned lower body and torso, then Roelly's shoulders and arms. About the finer details btw, Phil wasn't far ahead, not at all. In certain poses he looked smooth compared to Shawn. I know you like Phil, because he kinda resembles Shawn Ray, and brings similar qualities, but this year, Roelly and Shawn made Phil look unimpressive.
P.S. Shawn Ray is better than Phil.
he had less detail this year. he was off. a little flat a little less conditioned. if were to put a number on it id say he was about 85%. still gave a 110% shawn a good fight. If phil shows up 95% next year he will destroy shawn like he did in 2016. There, it was the other way round, shawn looked extremly unimpressive standing next to full to the brim phil. Thats the problem with shaun he needs to be diced and sliced if he wants to have any chance of standing next to a close to 100% phil, otherwise he will not just lose to phil, but other guys will overtake him as well. Phil can afford to be off and still hang, shawn off is whole another story he will struggle to be in top 5 like in 2017.
+Levan I disagree, Rhodens conditioning was superior to Phils. Phils inability to control his abdomen during heavy breathing was worth a couple points, but his conditioning was off. He left the door open and someone was there to step in. Phils abdomen looked better than 2017 so far as his umbilical hernia not protruding, but when hitting abs and thighs, his abdomen looked very flat. Even if Phil could have controlled his breathing, thus controlling his abs, he was down on conditioning to Rhoden. Phils front double bicep looked odd as well. Its going to be interesting in 2019.
yeah back is a huge body part, that's almost half of your body.I guess anyone can be mr olmpia now as long as they have details. Morel could win it without legs. Johnny jackson should've won a couple. Judging system is all messed up now. Also, people gung ho about rhoden's aesthetics. What about the x man tony freeman, he was aesthetic af in his prime. And he was HUGE. 280lbs. But they always chose the freaks over him. Even bracnh warren the worst aesthetics of them all consistently beat him. All of sudden shaun's like the messiah of bodybuilding. Give me a fucking break. At best he is a poorman's x man. Kinda harsh but its true.
I think Phil was still the only guy who should have won. Don't get me wrong, I don;t like him as a champion, but he had only one weakness: the gut. Yes he was off compared to previous years but his conditioning was still enough for today's standards. Other than this Phil actually doesn't have any weaknesses, and Shawn's body is a whole weakness. He is not aesthetic at all and I don't get why they call him aesthetic. If you wanna see aesthetics go see guys like Flex Wheeler, Lee Labrada etc.
I like Shawns shape better everywhere over Phil except his hamstrings and side triceps. Shawns shoulders, chest, abbs, quads, biceps all look better to me. Shawn is also naturally wider. Phil relaxed has a waist wider than his rib cage.
Great breakdown
I may sound like a broken record but if curry dries up even more with more grainines, he will be fighting for top 3 next year.
Yeah he just needs to add a little more size to his legs and also more detail to the back, but he looked insanely wide in the front relaxed, fdb and fls...
Edmund Choy and 1 year on he wasn’t as crisp but won. Mainly due to lack of competition
He is
Great vid!
I was there at the finals and know what I saw. It was one of the best versions of Ramy, if not his best ever. His posing routine was undoubtedly his best ever. He was hitting classic poses and all towards the end. The amount of improvements he brought to the final from the day before was unbelievable - tighter, dry and detailed. I certainly thought he did enough to get to that top 4 callout and be compared with. But sadly the judges had their minds made already. He has improved his calves, traps, shoulders are 3D, width, back. It is just matter of time before he can be undeniable.
Wow. Nice call
Nice response to the critics. Held your stance on what you felt strongly about while listening to the valid arguments for rhoden
That front lat spread...god...Roden just killing it. Winkler looking good also.
Dexter starting to blow his lines out now. Rear double bicep from Rammy is out of this world in the upper body. Curry looks great but needs legs.
In a way it is good that they didn't give to Phil Heath, even so i think he deserves to win this time too. It is a wake-up call for Phil to fix his problems, i don't know why, but i am 99% sure that Phil will win next year, of course if he fix his problems, his problems are his midsection his stomach, he have to learn to control it, to keep it tight, and he need to have a better condition, his condition wasn't that good this year, he is only 38, he still can win. Shawn Rhoden is 43. Thx for the video brother.
He hasn't deserved it for a couple years.
thanks for a nice revisit. great job on not being too stubborn. i mean, if Phil makes a comeback - go to fucking town on us! but right now. we were all just watching him gasp on stage. it was not a great look.
11:02 - why are we acting like Roelly didn't hit at conventual side triceps and crushed everybody?
Phill looks solid even with his blotted stomach his muscle meturity is on a different level
Always love "expert" Analysis
Based on the front shots Rhoden just had a more polished look. Side and back shots still go to Phil. Phil has more muscle and is more round but he didn't look crisp. His conditioning was off, but it wasn't THAT off. His gut though, has grown and along with that hernia, I see why the judges made their decision. If Phil can correct the stomach issue and come in again conditioned ( I think he just missed his peak) I think he can easily retake the title. Shawn was awesome but Phil is a beast I think a lot of people have gotten used to how good he really is. Given the circumstance I think Shawn was the rightful winner. Hopefully he can retain it.
yea ty for that bro!
I am from future and love how william bonac used to be without any nerve damage in his legs and gyno issues
Ramy's structure is so good. That's a shame he couldn't do better.
Even though they judge the mandatory poses, the video footage is actually really helpful in order to judge the guys: best example is the christmas tree of Shawn that you don't really see when he hits the pose. Shawn's smart because he hides somehow his gut with his arm when not hitting the pose. Then he hits it with a flat belly.
His structure yes. But he's not taking a smart approach. He needs to stop training quads almost altogether and focus on bringing up his calves and even hamstrings a bit. He needs to practice his posing more. And for god sakes he needs to stop playing the size game already and focus on coming in peeled to the bone for once!
I agree regarding the quads. He would still have one of the most if not the most impressive quads. Now last year (if I'm not mistaken), he came a little smaller (at least at the prejudging) and it felt weird. As for Nathan, I really think he has the worst "physique" of all the guys from the 1st and 2nd callout. His lats are way too high and it looks really weird from the front. The fact that he's stretching so much his abs when hitting the pose doesn't help also. I was expecting something from Sergio this year, I guess that didn't happen (last if I'm correct). I would be interested to see the footage as well. Unless you're not in the front seat row, I don't think you could really make a fair statement of everyone's from so that's cool that you reviewed the show again with this particular footage. Of course the hype when you heard "and new Mr. Olympia..." must have been epic nonetheless :-)
This year was so refreshing. Roelly looked great. He's bringing a mix of all the other guys, with mass, structure, aesthetic (as you can be) without being too blocky (as compared to William). William's midsection is way too blocky, not sure he can reproduce his second placing in the future. His back is really is assurance to the final callout.
@@Tomn8er It seems pretty obvious Ramy doesn't like the rigours of a hard diet.
@@Tomn8er - I was there at the finals and know what I saw. It was one of the best versions of Ramy, if not his best ever. His posing routine was undoubtedly his best ever. He was hitting classic poses and all towards the end. The amount of improvements he brought to the final from the day before was unbelievable - tighter, dry and detailed. I certainly thought he did enough to get to that top 4 callout and be compared with. But sadly the judges had their minds made already. He has improved his calves, traps, shoulders are 3D, width, back. It is just matter of time before he can be undeniable.
Trill will very good assessment good video WE want more
The Amazing Lucas has an amazing video about the recent olympia. Shawn Rhoden winning is...confusing to say the least. He's got a classic like physique.
Rip legend shawn RHODEN,😢🕊️🙌🏻
Roelly looking at Phil before the ab and thigh pose like, “dude, u ok? U gonna collapse?”
Phil was certainly winded a normal respiratory rate is 12-20 breaths per minute at rest. Heath was breathing at 44 breaths/minute, Rhoden at about 28 bpm, Roelly at approx 48bpm and Bonac approx. 40 breaths per minute. When your brain detects an increase in Carbon Dioxide in your blood, caused by physical straining such as flexing almost every muscle in your body as hard as you can, while attempting to hold your abdomen as tight as possible, which limits the ability to breathe, increased cardio vascular output is required. The sensation to breath more deeply and rapidly is best described as air hunger. For the lungs this entails increased amounts of air to be breathed in and out by the lung, in other words, increased ventilation volume is required. The lungs can accomplish this in a few different ways. a)One is to increase your respiration rate, or have an increase of complete inspiration and expiration (breath in and breath out) cycles per minute, or b) you can keep the rate of respirations constant while increasing the volume of each inspiration and expiration cycle, in other words your breath deeper. c)The most efficient manner in which to increase Oxygen(O2) intake and increase Carbon Dioxide(CO2) output is to increase both the rate AND the depth of respirations simultaneously. All this extra gas exchange is a waste if its delivery rate remains constant, this is where the heart must increase its volume of delivered blood. It does this by increasing both its heart rate, the number of contraction and relaxation cycles per minute and its stroke volume(amount of blood pumped for each full contraction and relaxation of both the Atria and Ventricles of the heart).
Rhoden appeared to be the most relaxed breathing-wise on stage, both from his lower breathing rate and shallow depth of breathing. Roelly and Bonac were showing more signs of air hunger, and they were consciously controlling their breathing by breathing faster, but not breathing deeply. This allowed both of them to take on more O2 and blow off more CO2 while at the same time keeping tension in their lower abs. You could really see Roelly concentrating on taking shallow quick breaths in between poses.For some reason Phil is experiencing some very pronounced air hunger. His rising levels of CO2 in his blood are forcing him to breath not only faster, but very deeply. In doing so, he is forced to lose tension in his lower abs in order to breath. He is fighting it very hard, but the drive to breath when depleted is overwhelming. While Phils umbilical hernia surgery was successful in that it no longer protrudes like it did in 2017, his abs muscles, his 6-pack was more flat this year with abdominal distention both outwards towards the front, and increased waist width to the sides is more evident and is only compounded with his more narrow shoulder width. There were certain poses where his abdominals were barely visible and appeared "washed out" or "soft". When compared side by side with Shawns wider shoulders, narrower waist, creating a more pronounced V-taper coupled with sharply shaped abdominals and more controlled abdominal distention and better overall conditioning, with an excellent Christmas tree(visible at times) great glute, hamstring and calve conditioning was just enough for Shawn to take the win. IMO all the hoopla about Phils abdominal distention is undeserved. His protruding navel(bellybutton) caused by an umbilical hernia is improved, but that improvement was lost due to his overall deficit in crispness and conditioning. When all 4 finalists were group posing, every single athlete at one time or another while onstage could be viewed with his abdomen distended out further than his chest. Phil's abdomen didn't lose him the Sandow, his lack of overall conditioning compounded by Rhodens best presentation did. Phil's worst got him a 2nd place to Rhodens best. That's how close the competition is, for Olympia competition, it's the best man on that day. This was clearly evidenced during the 2018 edition of the worlds best bodybuilding competition, the Mr Olympia. I can't wait for 2019.
Hey just noticed this but does Cedric have a knarley ab split around 7:40 just before he flexes into abs n thighs ..... has that always been like that ... cuz its like a doughnut
Who's here after watching the 2019 Prejudging? Damn Shawn looked so awesome in 2018, Roelly ans Bonac looked better here even.. Bummer
Good breakdown. Phil's best points by far are his arms, aside from the arms and possibly side-chest, he doesn't bring much to the table of visual appeal. Nonetheless he looks great when conditioned and in shape. However, Rhoden was clearly superior overall bar the arm development in contrast to Phil. Shawn's victory here is well deserved, and further reiterates why Phil would have had issues standing next to Flex Wheeler and others from the golden age.
RIP Rhoden
Phil's stomach really messes up his whole look, if he had a small waist and perfect abs , he would still be champ
it sure doesn't hurt that Rhoden is naturally darker.
Not sure why you completely ignored Cedric on the 2nd call out but he looked pretty damn good and probably the best of that group.
"Nail in the coffin." Absolutely, why not when it's all on the line!? And it certainly adds a little Flair to the same old thing. Whooo!
I know you was a little way back but what is closer to real life. Photos or the video?
Was too far to tell but I would go with photos because they are clearly higher quality, though colour-wise I feel the stream hit closer to the mark.
Classic physique analysis pls, special mention to Wesley, Regan & Hoffman.
I have a question. Why do Mr. Olympias come heavier each year? I mean whu couldn't Phil Heath stay in his 2011 look? (same with ronnie, dorian etc). Is it something that come naturally from chronic steroid use, the added size, or is ti something they do on purpose? A frame can hold just as much muscle before it loses definition from overly muscle physiques.
I think it's just human nature to strive to progress. To be fair, Phil's brought up his back and legs considerably since 2011 (even though his overall shape has been compromised in the process).
Shawn roden..the best Mr. olympia histories
i like these Hulks
Rhoden was amazing
phil won the posing .just hid mid section was off.phil and rolly got crazy hams
Ay Tom, do you think if Phils gut would have been in check he would have won?
100%
Could Dexter do classic physique ?
Agreed with everything u said exept for when u said phill and Shawn are matched on hamstrings. Look again phill is miles ahead in all shots from the back
I agree Phil's ahead on hamstrings but the edge is very slight - and almost non-existent going by this lower quality footage
@@Tomn8er true, the footage this year has been very confusing I thought phill was ahead from pre judging pics but not video
roelly is a fricken monster. if he comes in conditioned, wow.
I agree. Phil is LUCKY to have had 2nd place. I felt Roelly beat him fair and square .
Cedric did bring it, feel like he could have moved up quite a few places
Whoah, Roelly hit an actualy side tricep for a bit there!
fuck he's big
I hope Roelly wins himself a Mr. Olympia soon. His abs are really starting to spread apart..... I really don't want to wake up one morning, and read/watch any news about him dying from his insides busting through his abdomen.
Rhoden reminds me of frank Zane of today. He beat him on shredz and cardiovascular shape. Mr Olympia can’t look like he’s about to have an asthma attack on stage and a clear bowling ball gut. He will get it back I bet this year though.
Did Bonac sell his torso to DeAsha?
Phil won all the posses except abs and front lat spread
Phil reminded me of an Old Lion struggling to take down the new Lions in his Territory. They're too strong for him to defeat. He can only hang in there for a little while before he winded and can no longer keep up.
In all seriousness though, Phil will sit this year out and he'll be back next year. If he comes in tight and conditioned, he'll kill everyone. He needs to downsize a little and start looking more like his 2011/2012 package.
I believe that Phil trying to beat Ramy and play the size game has caught up to him.
7:11 dexterzz lats are d0rianesque, right 0n br0ther
All I can stare at is Phil’s rotund gut. His abs are almost nonexistent. He shouldn’t even have placed ahead of Bonac.
the vid is hella diff from pics dam. also i think currys and ramys tan doesnt do him justice its not shiny enough imo
Times change and I guess that Shawn Roden's physique is now the one that the judges are going for. Plus, he's come in super shredded and has zero gut.
Phil Heath's problem, apart from the gut and the inferior conditioning, is that he's neither big like Roelly Winklaar nor aesthetic like Roden. He's neither one thing nor the other.
To win a Mr O you have to tell the judges "Hey, this what you looking for?" Roden did. He just oozed confidence.....
BTW don't understand why Bonac doesn't tone down and go into the 212 for an almost certain 1st place....
Bonac stands to make way more money placing 4th in Open than 1st in 212. He was 3rd last year and won the 2018 Arnold lol so while his short stature may be more well-suited to 212 on paper, he's doing pretty damn well for himself!
Hmm Rhoden did not have zero gut. It is distended just not as bad as Heath's.
Phil knew he had problems with his midsection, l wonder if he didn't fix it, maybe he can't, he could have a bad long term problem
Had to laugh when Ramy hits the Front or back latspread. His height to width Ratio is so unreal Even his head is wide
Here's the problem with too many people when assessing and judging bodybuilding. They see everything from a fragmented perspective with emphasis placed on individual body parts. Comparisons are made on an individual body part to individual body part basis. Most people have lost the ability to assess and judge a physique from a holistic perspective. They simply don't have the ability to see and explain the parts of the body in reference to the whole. Some typical comments to exemplify this include "on a per body part to body part comparison", "besides the gut, every other body part is better", "the Olympia is won from the back" and there's many more. Based on this every bodybuilder has strengths and weaknesses and what should ultimately separate the best from the rest is the OVERALL PACKAGE. Just because Phil's back shots were better, it shouldn't be rewarded with the Sandow. Conversely, just because Rhoden's front shot were better it shouldn't be rewarded with the Sandow. OVERALL, Rhoden well and truly deserved the title. Phil Heath should've placed way less than 2nd. That gut ruined the WHOLE package.
long story short the needle of aesthetics blew bubbles of mass
Dexter had a huge gut.
4:20 im pretty sure phil roelly and shawn's heads are smaller than their shoulders haha
I cant give roely an edge over rodhen in front dbl coz roely hasnt the quad sweep and mid section sharpness like shawn.
Man maybe it's my eyes but to me the second line up looks better than the top 4
This was for Roelly
Bonac is so underrated
It’s hard to take the Tomn8er seriously as an analyst now after listening to his first reaction after prejudging. The Phil Heath fanboy “it’s not as close as you think video”
Looking at it again there could be an argument for Roelly coming in ahead of Phil
Big Ramy should really think about loosing a ton of weight. If he’s just screwing around, its time to think about his health. 300+ guys don’t hang around very long.
If we zoom in on Phil vs. Shawn, it's basicly a question of preference. To me there's no clear cut winner - they both have strong points and weak points in their physique. It really comes down to what the judges put more emphasize on. Phils overall muscularity is still ahead of Shawns in several bodyparts, but Shawn has the more pleasing silhouette with a better v-taper and a more controlled and shredded midsection. It seem like the agenda of the judging criteria has changed this year, and I personally welcome it.
wwwstol phil has one weakness and thats his stomach. Rhoden on the other hand has multiple flaws. I dont know whats worse his back, his non existent tris or his flat smooth synthol bis
It was a question of Bronzed Statute or Water Buffalo.
Roelly is insane 1:07 and 2:51 also 3:44 is epic🤢
All All Star Shawn Rhoden Best Physiqe
Looking back at this after the 2022 Olympia, I think Hadi would've beaten this lineup too
Dude, all 3 were looking at Phil, not just RHoden, pause at 3:44 Phil was a mess, if anything he was probalby concerned for Phil....Shawn is caring person...
Damn all of these guys are doing the front relaxed pose badly.... They look like robots or like they would be driving a motorcycle :D
Shawn’s glutes and hams looked more conditioned in the first video
The only reason why I feel lost because of his stomach. You can say rodent one this shot that shot Rhoden was good enough so they could give it to him I believe he deserved the win Phil is going to take the year off get the proper procedure done on his stomach and then we will see how he comes out
Phill Heath is the Winner of 2018, Impossible to compare with any one in this year
How the fuck the little guy Ponca beats rammy and Jackson wow some judges needs to get there eyes 👀 check
We need more physiques like Shaun’s in the top 5, fuck those balloon guts.
"Phil heath doesn't have the best structure or best frame, he has to make up for it with detail", I disagree I reckon without the stomach issues he actually takes Rhoden. He's quite narrow but a lot of compact muscle. Details like no other, how many times have we seen a narrow guy win from the back, he's the GIFT. Not a Phil Heath fan and was in absolute agreement with this year's results.
What exactly is it you disagree with? You just said yourself he’s quite narrow (aka his structure / frame). So you agree. He also states he overcomes that flaw with detail, you then point out his incredible detail, so you agree. Must I keep going lol
@@MrXennon1 three years late. What do I disagree with? I mean that's a pretty steep ask, I don't really give a shit tbf, The Olympia has shifted since.
Bodybuilding being an opinionated "Sport".
Just because he has narrow shoulders this is not completely definitive of his structure. It's definitive of his frame.
When you take the definition of structure put simply "the arrangement between parts" - Phil Heath has probably one of the best that three dimensional look His symmetry is certainly up there. But his frame isn't the best. I was encompassing the quote so "frame" was part of the quote.