I'd totally let it slide for a trick I knew my buddy couldn't do properly, it's hype if somebody learns on the job. But we know Peterson can do the trick so it's definitely a redo
Right, and BATB has become so much more than a friendly competition. In my opinion the winner of BATB reigns as the top skater for the entire year. We're all friends at the end of the day, but the stakes are high AF now
Someone remembered how Sewa redo (and miss, loosing the final against joslin) a trick for a nanometric touch that the referee did not see (and was barely seen at the replay)? That is how a champion behaves. Peterson not proposing a redo after a clear wrong referee call, but pretending nothing happened speaks much about this guy: he does not deserve the finals, neither the trophy.
Yea most skaters wouldn’t even do that to the boogery kid at the park that challenges you to a game. Tyler’s a crybaby tight ass and berras sticking it in him at their church for the top spot I guarantee you that
Tyler keeping his mouth shut and Chris placing his hands on his shoulders at the end of the game most likely telling him to "loosen up" speaks volumes about their personalities. Props to good guy Joslin for not engaging in an argument with Ladner over the call, but let's be real, we all wish he would have. What an embarrassment to the world of skateboarding this type of sportsmanship (or lack there of) and reffing is.
Joslin arguing would make him look bad and Tyler look good/powerful. If Joslin was actually annoyed with the call, it was smart to not say anything to just have the ref look bad.
Embarrassment to the world of skateboarding? My guy has misunderstood the whole idea of this tournament big time 😂 It's a have fun tournament and referees can make their own rules if they feel like it.
@@saureeeegogo Regardless of there being a happy go lucky make your own rules ref, Tyler totally ignoring his shitty sw back heel is opposite the general mindset of a skater. I guess we're not all the same, but any wholesome dude would have called himself out on that, ref present or not. Dude's got too much pride and is taking the "have fun" tournament too seriously - surprised you don't agree with that point given your argument.
@@RobL350 I hear what you're saying. He leaves it to the spectators to call out the bs. Actions > words. I'm sure Joslin understands that potentially losing isn't going to ruin his career, whereas Tyler plays like his life depends on it.
@@T_Law92 Ye I'm with you on the fact that Peterson should've called himself out on that. But people should stop making this about the ref since the ref in BATB can do whatever the fuck they feel like because it's an unofficial funtime contest.
I said it on the original video and I’ll say it here: Tyler should’ve had more self-respect for his craft and re-did it without the ref agreeing. I’ve called myself out for less in games of skate because I’m not a self-obsessed jerk off. Fact is, if he happens to go all the way and win the whole thing, a lot of people are not going to take it seriously because anyone with a brain could see Joslin’s desire and effort deflated after the ref didn’t even *consider* the flag to watch the replay. Chris gave up the second he was brushed off.
I don't think joslin cared all that much from the start. He's already won one. But Tyler should definitely have a higher standard for himself. Although this is far from the worst call I've seen in batb, especially given it's defense.
Who gives a fuck what ppl think, you're all a bunch of nobodies anyway 😅 Tyler is one of the most consistent flat skaters in batb, all popped, all so clean, he has one bad trick and everyone shitting on him, grow the fuk up 😅
Personally I don't give a damn about Cariuma, but as long as their athletes are good in a flatground competition, I'm all for it. Tyler Peterson is a beast. Apart from that story, the problem with the match is that Chris Joslin is injured and can't hold on.
You gotta think that having a dude obviously know he didn't make the trick, tick-tacking away with the facial expression of a guilty dog, while wearing your brand's shirt is not excellent advertising for your shoe. It just isn't a good look...
Unfortunately the wider majority will only ever see the percentage of Cariuma riders who have made/won a finals night than they will that specific match
Joslin response makes it look like he realize how rigged this tourney is right after that flag and just stopped caring about this. Carriumasperacy confirmed?
@@killmonger4169 sorry you lost me with Berra* I thought you were correcting my spelling as you used the star. But you meant Steve. I think you are having a different conversation with me. As your Eric's comment doesn't fit the context either.
We have a FLAG for a reason. For refs missing calls and needin a 2nd look. I dont get why ppl hate on the flag. We ALL have told our homeboys to do their tricks again and clean them up. And even Friendly argue both cases in games. We need the flag
Berra was graceful enough to give the rematch to Davis/Hover in BATB12, if there’s any chance he values the credibility of the tournament over his sponsorship with Cariuma he will do the same here
It seemed like Joslin forgot for a sec that he played a Cariuma game, throw the flag, Ladner reminded they had talked about this last night and Joslin was like "oh, yeah, I forgot I must lose"
Joslin gets to go back to being an A list pro skate with an actual street career and lots of money. Tyler Peterson gets to stay at the Berrics and hear about Lord Xenu. Let him have it .
That's a great idea! Although it would take about three games before people start concocting some paranoid conspiracy about who that ref is secretly taking checks from. That's one benefit to having rotating refs. At least we can be reasonably sure that paying off every one of them and making them stay quiet is far less plausible.
@@PatheticStan if you ever go back and watch videos over the last 8months (my blurry memory ballparked there, but I could way off), notice how they end. Some fade out slowly on seemingly off-topic tangents, some hit hard and cut to commercial half a second later, etc. They’ve become smart, deliberate, and unconventional.
the fact that the landing is significantly uphill (although some might not notice at first glance) makes anything done on that gap that much crazier to roll alway from
Tyler definitely should have called himself out, but the ref should be the one to blame. The whole point of having a ref is to prevent the competitors from breaking the rules. What's the point when the ref doesn't understand the rules and is unwilling to even reconsider his decision. If you have a rule, it is fare game to use it. This was one of the only times when the challenge flag was used the right way. Joslin had full right to get mad and call out the ref. But it is nice to see him being the bigger person in this situation.
That wouldn’t have counted on defense in any game of skate I’ve ever played. I think you perfectly summed up what BATB is at its best near the end of the video.
Exactly. Me and my friends never gave each other leeway lmfaoo that would definitely be a letter lol. If you toe touch that's not a make and if you can't do the trick then you just can't do the trick.
One of the most irritating things about that egregious ref move was the flippant dismissal of the notion that Chris Fuckin Joslin might… a. have a clear sense of the BATB rules (he’s been in it for years and was competing under a giant championship banner with his name on it) b. have the experienced eyes that know what skateboarding looks like and Exactly what he is looking at The point is not whether anyone should be a Chris Joslin fan, but that there are few humans more qualified to explain what Is and Is Not a make in that exact competition. For some douche to be like “nAH BrO iTs dEfEnSe!!!” is just insulting. The other day a question was asked that led to a lot of people talking about who would make a good finals night ref. One clown whose name I won’t mention said Steve Berra because he’d be most fair (lol don’t worry - that preposterous answer was mostly handled appropriately by those without their heads in their asses). The real answer?: Chris Joslin, Sewa Kroetkov, Luan Olivera, Chris Cole, Mikemo Capaldi, Jamie Griffin, PJ Ladd, Paul Rodriguez… ^^^ There’s a pattern here. Just pretend you have an ounce of acknowledgement that the person who mastered the event more than anyone else Might actually know how it works better than you, at least enough that you can take a second and ask a couple people “is this guy right? he doesn’t agree with me, but I’m standing under a banner with his name on it…”
The problem is Joslin actually was the actual referee in one of Justin Ladner games... Against Mikey Whitehouse in BATB 12. Joslin did 2 atrocius calls against Ladner... Mikey missed the tricks, hands on the ground and everything. Joslin allowed him to redo the tricks because it was defense lol... a blatant bad call by Chris. I'm pretty sure it was a revenge call against Joslin... since they talked about it at one time...
@@skamarfire Ok, fair. I re-watched that inconsequential match just for context for your comment, and there were a couple noteworthy calls, neither of which seem to apply here (other than Ladner, who’s not even qualified to be in BATB let alone Ref it, maybe being butthurt because his opponent was forced to re-do defense instead of immediately being denied and given a letter, which is the smallest of possible ref failings because it simply asks for another look before deciding if the defender can do it) - he made Whitehouse re-do two landings where hands touched to prove he can land the trick - he totally let Whitehouse tailskid a landing without a redo where most refs would demand one I will note that the hand-touch thing is a rule that most famously came up when Joslin was a finals night competitor, specifically in a way that he overtly acknowledged it that night …but I don’t know if he just saw himself as acknowledging that it met That Night’s Particular Refs’ standards for the final rounds of maximum significance, or if he interpreted the “hands” thing as an unwritten rule. Regardless, the Written rules are pretty clear: “defensive toe drag has a bigger margins for error”, indicating that Some toe drag can be allowed but that there Is a line. Unarguably Beyond that line is everything Beyond toe drag territory, where the weight falls and plants So Far off the board that all motion stops. There is no reading of the “toe drag” nuance rule that doesn’t automatically fail someone who can’t even get enough of a fraction of their weight on the board to let the toe drag. Tyler blatantly did not make his trick per the rules, and the instant replay that Ladner refused to exercise in service or competitor demand would have absolutely confirmed that, even if he was so blind (or confused about how skateboarding works) as to not see it with his own eyes. Thus, when he was reffing that irrelevant match my morning dump could’ve reffed, it doesn’t seem like Joslin was unclear at all about what constitutes a Make (at worst just taking a forgiving stance in the grey area of what’s allowed a demanded re-do) …and he certainly didn’t completely refuse to even Consider a video review when anyone threw a challenge flag (nobody disputed any of his calls even though it was BATB12 which was during the current era of challenge flags) So, I don’t see anything hypocritical in Joslin’s part from the one match to the other, or even any reason for Ladner to be butthurt. However, I do acknowledge that being butthurt is not a rational thing and people can be butthurt for any reason, and without any good reason. [note: this is where my reply tangented into a rant that is absolutely not a reply or statement to you. you made a great observation I appreciate. l just apparently had additional stuff to talk about…] The point isn’t that Joslin was right or wrong, but that: 1. Joslin was right (ok sorry I said it) 2. Ladner didn’t understand the rules 3. Despite the rules, Ladner doesn’t understand what a Make is even in the most casual and informal sense, to the point where it is only video evidence that convinces me he’s probably ridden a skateboard before 4. Ladner didn’t even rule on the challenge, but instead invented a rule where all defense is always successful (such that even challenging defense immediately struck him as “wasting” a challenge. 5. Ladner didn’t even look at a video review in case he’d been blind or confused, despite the flag compelling him to do so (ANOTHER rule he proudly had zero comprehension of) 6. Ladner didn’t even ask anyone present what to do in what might have been a confusing grey area (because he was too arrogantly mistaken to question whether he was being a moron) 7. Berra watched it all and knew exactly what happened and said nothing (Berra’s gotta Berra) 8. Peterson missed the trick and then tic-tacked away with a bitch-ass “I didn’t land it but daddy said to take what I can get” expression Regardless, it doesn’t matter who reffed that match because neither of those skaters were even close to among the top 64 flatground skaters in the world nor had any business being in a premiere flatground competition. They were just roped into the BATB12 “community” (lol) concept designed to optimize service of business objectives by max incorporation of (a) the Cariuma team, and (b) social media influencers who could bring sizable audiences of children in the Cariuma target demographic. Remember when the Berrics produced a joke skit video with MikeMo as a ref trainer, based on the idea that referees were trained to understand the rules and make good calls, and the premise of the joke was that Berra would ever care enough to expect referees adhering to the rules, or want a legitimate competition enough to demand it? Yeah. That was funny. 10/10 God I wish anyone other than the stupidest dumpster fire in the skateboarding world could and would assemble world-class flatground skaters for head-to-head competition. One (Berra) could say “Oh yeah? Well, haters gotta hate, and everyone thinks running a competition is easy until they do it themselves, and sports refereeing always seems simple til reality sets in…” …but tell me, after the last hundred controversies about shamelessly (and suspiciously corrupt) BS reffing at BATB: What’s the last ref controversy you remember in King/Queen of MACBA? What’s the last ref controversy you remember in Slides and Grinds? What’s the last ref controversy you remember in éS Game of Skate? These violations of basic competitive legitimacy aren’t on a nuanced level where opinionated haters nit-pick arbitrary details. Everyone’s just saying: “Please just have an ounce of fucking dignity. Please just don’t use your (dwindling) audience to make a point of how much of a steaming shit you can take on the skaters in that audience, rubbing their face in the fact that their views are nothing to you more than a sponsor-rewarded buck. Please just barely do enough that we can lie to ourselves and pretend we’re fans of a non-joke run by people who aren’t POSs. Please.” /rant
Batb is the most long winded competition in sport. Several months to do a skate tournament that could be done in a weekend. Should be sponsor free, no bias with one referee for the whole competition. Not refs who are friends with the competitors or work with the sponsor.
Defense is bigger margin for error. That means you get benefit of the doubt if there is doubt over a make but this clearly was not in doubt. Doesn't mean you get a free pass or else every trick on defense would be an automatic make lol. Shocking that Tyler didn't call a redo himself even after Joslin threw the red flag. Joslin would have called a redo on himself there, instantly, without needed to be told. Sewa too. While its not Tyler's job to call it in or out its dissapointing. Ref made an awful call and was an ass about it too.
Ref not considering the flag throw was such a joke, I don't even understand how this could happen. Better to have a group of selected people reffing that know what they are actually doing.
I 100% agree. People always talk about skating being over 90% mental (I don’t think is that high, but that’s besides the point). This is a perfect example on how the ref’s actions can affect a players skating. Dumb data is right, that if the ref did not challenge Chris when throwing the flag, then the results might have been different. This is because Tyler now possibly feels safer/more confident, while Chris feels like everyone (Cariuma) is against him, including Tyler for not owning up to what I would call a foot drag, not a toe touch.
That was well beyond the territory of anything that can be construed a “toe drag”. He landed in a complete stop with the his weight entirely off the board. Nothing dragged. He just landed with one foot’s weight on the board and one foot’s weight very much not. This is not rocket science.
i agree it was a bad call and a bs game but i want to add some context. joslin i think sprained his ankle. iirc he even mentioned that it could get in the way of his flip tricks, i think thats why he even started with the basic 180s. game couldve gone either way honestly especially with the double flips, i still dont think he wouldve made them if he defended at any other point. ref and joslin are also "besties". i think the bias couldve also gone either way but who knows. anyways, berrics should get consistent refs. whether their reffing would be shit or not at least thered be consistency. prolly also minus any bias if u got someone outside of cariuma / berrics network.
Having previous cariuma riders as referees in BATB matches involving current cariuma riders is comparable to how former CEO's of large companies find themselves in favorable positions of power within the government and vice versa.
I am glad that this video was made. Even as somebody who is completely unbiased towards any skater, I was so mad at that call. Peterson not speaking up is similar to someone refusing to call their hit in paintball or airsoft.
He probably has some sketchy contract where he has to follow along with their scheme. They want him to win so he can be a billboard for Carruma. Not excusing it at all, if he is playing along he is complicit Remember how angry Berra was when he lost last year? Clearly their 'golden goose'
Yeah this was a dry ass game and Joslin is one of my fav skaters! Like theres a toe touch where ur toe barely touches, then theres a toe touch where u completely stop, re set, then tic tac away...like a lil toe touch on def is ok but to do a trick, stop with 1/2 your foot on the ground, then hide on the other side of the park while its sorted is what that was
That wasn’t the worst call. Worst call was counting mark sucius nollie bs 3 heel on defense. His whole foot was on the ground and he picked his foot off the ground so I don’t even think it’s a land but it counted no redo
Someone else should come up with the tournament that has at least a minimum standard when it comes to cleaning tricks up and more focus on style when it comes to choosing the contestants.
Berra lookin like stoop kid before he left his stoop, and that damn cariuma logo gives me nightmares. This is what happens when you take something entertaining and make it completely unwatchable. Also dumb data I like these breakdowns, I think you got something with this
I remember I skated in a skate contest back in 1996. The judges weren't skaters (soccer moms,.etc). When I kicked flip the side of the pyramid, they didn't even realized the board "flipped".
Since watching battle of the berrics since the beginning it was cool see the best skaters have fun and hold each other to a high standard. Now there’s a ref, a challenge flag and it still feels like the standard drops. It should be on the skaters like the Sewa championship where there’s honor in doing the trick correctly. Now it’s so serious that Joslin has to hype the crowd up? People want to win so much it’s taking the joy out while we watch bad sportsmanship in general season after season. Berrics was a vibe back with reda and Donovan were there. Now it feels that it’s becoming everything people were against skating to be in the beginning.
Ladner is an absolute nobody refereeing two batb VIPs. When he makes such an obvious error in judgment, some burden falls on the VIPs to maintain the standards of the game. Peterson did not rise to that occasion.
Idk if J Ladd making that call had anything to do with him being a Cariuma rider, I just believe it was a terrible call, the fact that nobody stepped in to stop it is more on the Berrics, the camera man or somebody needs to step in, his whole foot dragged across the ground that wasn’t just a toe drag, I thought bigger margin meant you could land a little sketchy not drag your foot across the ground, It’s a shame because I was hoping for Chris to win and Luan beat Jamie so we could see Chris and Luan play again
The replay looks like the worst attempt to make it look like a valid landing but just slowmo the full color take and it’s more than obvious this was rigged 😂
he thinks if he wins, that he'll get real sponsors not Berra's shoe and deck companies😅 but Thrasher would NEVER give this kook ass kid a cover or even a spread. honestly the entire industry needs to ban anything Cariuma. and someone needs to be at the hell out of Steve at Tampa pro or sum shit
At this point the berrics is so corrupted by cariuma and a gross track record of nepotism I think somebody else needs to step in and organize a new yearly game of SKATE. Doubt anyone’s jumping at the idea but someone could do it.
A variable is missing in this analysis: Joslin was injured. If you watch the pre-game interview, Chris said he couldn't flick properly. As soon as I heard that, knew he was done for, bad call or not.
It is probably part of cariuma sponsorship deal that at least one cariuma skater makes final. It's probably why batb12 was stacked with so many cariuma skaters.
I know, these tik tok skaters got 12 year olds thinking they're the best when they can't even do the standard opening 16 tricks half the time😅 but hey he has it on video that he landed a frontward circus back footed late underfip bruh! gorilla flip! reverse colonoscopy flip! and other DUMB shit. I fvcking hate my kids generation so bad dude
Imagine being so bad at reffing that you get a dumb data episode dedicated to you
Lol
Crazy right? -_-
Just thinking this, I hope ladner responds
Ya know what.. Imagine why dumb data would turn down 9 club's invite to their show
@@TheBlakus420 done. there’s 100 imaginable reasons. is that something that happened, as you see it?
Even in a friendly game, your ego makes you redo such a ugly landed trick
Not even ego, just straight up integrity
Yep Tyler Peterson should have called himself out. But he did the coward move and said nothing and did nothing.
I'd totally let it slide for a trick I knew my buddy couldn't do properly, it's hype if somebody learns on the job. But we know Peterson can do the trick so it's definitely a redo
facts
Right, and BATB has become so much more than a friendly competition. In my opinion the winner of BATB reigns as the top skater for the entire year. We're all friends at the end of the day, but the stakes are high AF now
Someone remembered how Sewa redo (and miss, loosing the final against joslin) a trick for a nanometric touch that the referee did not see (and was barely seen at the replay)?
That is how a champion behaves.
Peterson not proposing a redo after a clear wrong referee call, but pretending nothing happened speaks much about this guy: he does not deserve the finals, neither the trophy.
Well said.
Tyler did not show any humility or grace in his miss of the trick. A gentleman would redo it out of courtesy, as you rightly said.
fuck yes sir practically is an impostor
They are paid to follow a script or push that narrative. Any real skateboarder with a soul would have redone that.
Yea most skaters wouldn’t even do that to the boogery kid at the park that challenges you to a game. Tyler’s a crybaby tight ass and berras sticking it in him at their church for the top spot I guarantee you that
Tyler keeping his mouth shut and Chris placing his hands on his shoulders at the end of the game most likely telling him to "loosen up" speaks volumes about their personalities. Props to good guy Joslin for not engaging in an argument with Ladner over the call, but let's be real, we all wish he would have. What an embarrassment to the world of skateboarding this type of sportsmanship (or lack there of) and reffing is.
Joslin arguing would make him look bad and Tyler look good/powerful. If Joslin was actually annoyed with the call, it was smart to not say anything to just have the ref look bad.
Embarrassment to the world of skateboarding? My guy has misunderstood the whole idea of this tournament big time 😂 It's a have fun tournament and referees can make their own rules if they feel like it.
@@saureeeegogo Regardless of there being a happy go lucky make your own rules ref, Tyler totally ignoring his shitty sw back heel is opposite the general mindset of a skater. I guess we're not all the same, but any wholesome dude would have called himself out on that, ref present or not. Dude's got too much pride and is taking the "have fun" tournament too seriously - surprised you don't agree with that point given your argument.
@@RobL350 I hear what you're saying. He leaves it to the spectators to call out the bs. Actions > words. I'm sure Joslin understands that potentially losing isn't going to ruin his career, whereas Tyler plays like his life depends on it.
@@T_Law92 Ye I'm with you on the fact that Peterson should've called himself out on that. But people should stop making this about the ref since the ref in BATB can do whatever the fuck they feel like because it's an unofficial funtime contest.
I said it on the original video and I’ll say it here: Tyler should’ve had more self-respect for his craft and re-did it without the ref agreeing. I’ve called myself out for less in games of skate because I’m not a self-obsessed jerk off. Fact is, if he happens to go all the way and win the whole thing, a lot of people are not going to take it seriously because anyone with a brain could see Joslin’s desire and effort deflated after the ref didn’t even *consider* the flag to watch the replay. Chris gave up the second he was brushed off.
Didn’t sewa in the finals against Joslin call himself out for toe dragging? That’s just honour right there.
@@yobro6053my respect for
him skyrocketed that day
I don't think joslin cared all that much from the start. He's already won one. But Tyler should definitely have a higher standard for himself. Although this is far from the worst call I've seen in batb, especially given it's defense.
@@dakotasir9849
Yeah… Jolson didn’t seem too preoccupied with winning this one.
Brand new complete and switching shoes mid game?
Who gives a fuck what ppl think, you're all a bunch of nobodies anyway 😅 Tyler is one of the most consistent flat skaters in batb, all popped, all so clean, he has one bad trick and everyone shitting on him, grow the fuk up 😅
The fact that Tyler didn’t want to willingly redo that trick kind of shows his personality imo.
He lost a lot of respect from the skateboard community after that ego bs.
They can throw as much money as they want at it, I’m never buying Cariuma.
I saw a pair in the wild. 🤢🤮
Personally I don't give a damn about Cariuma, but as long as their athletes are good in a flatground competition, I'm all for it. Tyler Peterson is a beast. Apart from that story, the problem with the match is that Chris Joslin is injured and can't hold on.
I hope they go bankrupt for being such dirtbags.
This is a gross comment all around. “Athletes” flat ground beast. Jesus bro.
You gotta think that having a dude obviously know he didn't make the trick, tick-tacking away with the facial expression of a guilty dog, while wearing your brand's shirt is not excellent advertising for your shoe. It just isn't a good look...
Counterpoint: wear these shoes, they help you land tricks while planted on the ground! 😂
Boycott Cariuma!
Unfortunately the wider majority will only ever see the percentage of Cariuma riders who have made/won a finals night than they will that specific match
but it's Berra.....
Frfr that’s exactly what made me burn my Cariumas😂
Joslin response makes it look like he realize how rigged this tourney is right after that flag and just stopped caring about this. Carriumasperacy confirmed?
Exactly what I was thinking
Facts
Berrics is losing more face game by game.
Berra*
@@killmonger4169 you knew what I meant.
@@itisjustacomment I just can’t involve my boy koston in that name, my bad 😥
@@killmonger4169 sorry you lost me with Berra* I thought you were correcting my spelling as you used the star. But you meant Steve.
I think you are having a different conversation with me. As your Eric's comment doesn't fit the context either.
@@killmonger4169 on your topic, I didn't have a clue which member of the team is managing this downturn of good format.
We have a FLAG for a reason. For refs missing calls and needin a 2nd look. I dont get why ppl hate on the flag. We ALL have told our homeboys to do their tricks again and clean them up. And even Friendly argue both cases in games. We need the flag
Berra was graceful enough to give the rematch to Davis/Hover in BATB12, if there’s any chance he values the credibility of the tournament over his sponsorship with Cariuma he will do the same here
That ain’t happening
Berra cares more about Cariuma than integrity or grace lol
We need someone with integrity to create a replacement competition. Maybe the braille guys?
Money always ruins art. BATB is no exception
It seemed like Joslin forgot for a sec that he played a Cariuma game, throw the flag, Ladner reminded they had talked about this last night and Joslin was like "oh, yeah, I forgot I must lose"
We all saw this coming. Get'em DumbData
Fr. They asked for it
Tyler shoulda got a letter for not calling it on himself
Dude doesn’t have a career outside these games of skate. He cares way to much about winning
Joslin gets to go back to being an A list pro skate with an actual street career and lots of money. Tyler Peterson gets to stay at the Berrics and hear about Lord Xenu. Let him have it .
I lost a lot of respect for tyler after this game.
@@OatwayProductionslots of skill, 0 integrity
The berrics should have the same ref for every game. Someone who has demonstrated they actually care about the quality of the product.
That's a great idea! Although it would take about three games before people start concocting some paranoid conspiracy about who that ref is secretly taking checks from. That's one benefit to having rotating refs. At least we can be reasonably sure that paying off every one of them and making them stay quiet is far less plausible.
That ending line was pretty cold
Dumb Data’s attention to ending writing/editing has been unique and impressive for quite some time now.
@@frozennorth3426 I need to pay more attention
@@PatheticStan if you ever go back and watch videos over the last 8months (my blurry memory ballparked there, but I could way off), notice how they end. Some fade out slowly on seemingly off-topic tangents, some hit hard and cut to commercial half a second later, etc. They’ve become smart, deliberate, and unconventional.
I had to go watch Joslin tre flip Davis gap clip that always puts me in a good mood after this game
the fact that the landing is significantly uphill (although some might not notice at first glance) makes anything done on that gap that much crazier to roll alway from
Tyler definitely should have called himself out, but the ref should be the one to blame. The whole point of having a ref is to prevent the competitors from breaking the rules. What's the point when the ref doesn't understand the rules and is unwilling to even reconsider his decision.
If you have a rule, it is fare game to use it. This was one of the only times when the challenge flag was used the right way. Joslin had full right to get mad and call out the ref. But it is nice to see him being the bigger person in this situation.
The bad double flips were because he's injured, he says it in the battle rewind video (I guess that's why he changed shoes too)
Hey! A reasonable explanation! How refreshing
Tyler got that Incrediboy energy
Just hire a permanent ref damn
That wouldn’t have counted on defense in any game of skate I’ve ever played. I think you perfectly summed up what BATB is at its best near the end of the video.
I would have given them a redo since it’s close and on defense. I can’t switch back heel so I’d count it.😂
Exactly. Me and my friends never gave each other leeway lmfaoo that would definitely be a letter lol. If you toe touch that's not a make and if you can't do the trick then you just can't do the trick.
You didn’t see the preview video? Joslin said he couldn’t do double flips because his ankle was hurt
My bad
They also mentioned he was riding a new board, trucks and all... So there's that
@@dumbdata34 can't believe you never mentioned that
Which made Petersons double flip barrage all the more lame
@@ashleybrown4754 💯
One of the most irritating things about that egregious ref move was the flippant dismissal of the notion that Chris Fuckin Joslin might…
a. have a clear sense of the BATB rules (he’s been in it for years and was competing under a giant championship banner with his name on it)
b. have the experienced eyes that know what skateboarding looks like and Exactly what he is looking at
The point is not whether anyone should be a Chris Joslin fan, but that there are few humans more qualified to explain what Is and Is Not a make in that exact competition.
For some douche to be like “nAH BrO iTs dEfEnSe!!!” is just insulting.
The other day a question was asked that led to a lot of people talking about who would make a good finals night ref. One clown whose name I won’t mention said Steve Berra because he’d be most fair (lol don’t worry - that preposterous answer was mostly handled appropriately by those without their heads in their asses).
The real answer?: Chris Joslin, Sewa Kroetkov, Luan Olivera, Chris Cole, Mikemo Capaldi, Jamie Griffin, PJ Ladd, Paul Rodriguez…
^^^ There’s a pattern here.
Just pretend you have an ounce of acknowledgement that the person who mastered the event more than anyone else Might actually know how it works better than you, at least enough that you can take a second and ask a couple people “is this guy right? he doesn’t agree with me, but I’m standing under a banner with his name on it…”
Real as fuck
Great take bro
The problem is Joslin actually was the actual referee in one of Justin Ladner games... Against Mikey Whitehouse in BATB 12.
Joslin did 2 atrocius calls against Ladner... Mikey missed the tricks, hands on the ground and everything. Joslin allowed him to redo the tricks because it was defense lol... a blatant bad call by Chris.
I'm pretty sure it was a revenge call against Joslin... since they talked about it at one time...
@@skamarfire Ok, fair. I re-watched that inconsequential match just for context for your comment, and there were a couple noteworthy calls, neither of which seem to apply here (other than Ladner, who’s not even qualified to be in BATB let alone Ref it, maybe being butthurt because his opponent was forced to re-do defense instead of immediately being denied and given a letter, which is the smallest of possible ref failings because it simply asks for another look before deciding if the defender can do it)
- he made Whitehouse re-do two landings where hands touched to prove he can land the trick
- he totally let Whitehouse tailskid a landing without a redo where most refs would demand one
I will note that the hand-touch thing is a rule that most famously came up when Joslin was a finals night competitor, specifically in a way that he overtly acknowledged it that night
…but I don’t know if he just saw himself as acknowledging that it met That Night’s Particular Refs’ standards for the final rounds of maximum significance, or if he interpreted the “hands” thing as an unwritten rule.
Regardless, the Written rules are pretty clear: “defensive toe drag has a bigger margins for error”, indicating that Some toe drag can be allowed but that there Is a line. Unarguably Beyond that line is everything Beyond toe drag territory, where the weight falls and plants So Far off the board that all motion stops. There is no reading of the “toe drag” nuance rule that doesn’t automatically fail someone who can’t even get enough of a fraction of their weight on the board to let the toe drag. Tyler blatantly did not make his trick per the rules, and the instant replay that Ladner refused to exercise in service or competitor demand would have absolutely confirmed that, even if he was so blind (or confused about how skateboarding works) as to not see it with his own eyes.
Thus, when he was reffing that irrelevant match my morning dump could’ve reffed, it doesn’t seem like Joslin was unclear at all about what constitutes a Make (at worst just taking a forgiving stance in the grey area of what’s allowed a demanded re-do)
…and he certainly didn’t completely refuse to even Consider a video review when anyone threw a challenge flag (nobody disputed any of his calls even though it was BATB12 which was during the current era of challenge flags)
So, I don’t see anything hypocritical in Joslin’s part from the one match to the other, or even any reason for Ladner to be butthurt. However, I do acknowledge that being butthurt is not a rational thing and people can be butthurt for any reason, and without any good reason.
[note: this is where my reply tangented into a rant that is absolutely not a reply or statement to you. you made a great observation I appreciate. l just apparently had additional stuff to talk about…]
The point isn’t that Joslin was right or wrong, but that:
1. Joslin was right (ok sorry I said it)
2. Ladner didn’t understand the rules
3. Despite the rules, Ladner doesn’t understand what a Make is even in the most casual and informal sense, to the point where it is only video evidence that convinces me he’s probably ridden a skateboard before
4. Ladner didn’t even rule on the challenge, but instead invented a rule where all defense is always successful (such that even challenging defense immediately struck him as “wasting” a challenge.
5. Ladner didn’t even look at a video review in case he’d been blind or confused, despite the flag compelling him to do so (ANOTHER rule he proudly had zero comprehension of)
6. Ladner didn’t even ask anyone present what to do in what might have been a confusing grey area (because he was too arrogantly mistaken to question whether he was being a moron)
7. Berra watched it all and knew exactly what happened and said nothing (Berra’s gotta Berra)
8. Peterson missed the trick and then tic-tacked away with a bitch-ass “I didn’t land it but daddy said to take what I can get” expression
Regardless, it doesn’t matter who reffed that match because neither of those skaters were even close to among the top 64 flatground skaters in the world nor had any business being in a premiere flatground competition. They were just roped into the BATB12 “community” (lol) concept designed to optimize service of business objectives by max incorporation of (a) the Cariuma team, and (b) social media influencers who could bring sizable audiences of children in the Cariuma target demographic.
Remember when the Berrics produced a joke skit video with MikeMo as a ref trainer, based on the idea that referees were trained to understand the rules and make good calls, and the premise of the joke was that Berra would ever care enough to expect referees adhering to the rules, or want a legitimate competition enough to demand it?
Yeah.
That was funny.
10/10
God I wish anyone other than the stupidest dumpster fire in the skateboarding world could and would assemble world-class flatground skaters for head-to-head competition.
One (Berra) could say “Oh yeah? Well, haters gotta hate, and everyone thinks running a competition is easy until they do it themselves, and sports refereeing always seems simple til reality sets in…”
…but tell me, after the last hundred controversies about shamelessly (and suspiciously corrupt) BS reffing at BATB:
What’s the last ref controversy you remember in King/Queen of MACBA?
What’s the last ref controversy you remember in Slides and Grinds?
What’s the last ref controversy you remember in éS Game of Skate?
These violations of basic competitive legitimacy aren’t on a nuanced level where opinionated haters nit-pick arbitrary details. Everyone’s just saying: “Please just have an ounce of fucking dignity. Please just don’t use your (dwindling) audience to make a point of how much of a steaming shit you can take on the skaters in that audience, rubbing their face in the fact that their views are nothing to you more than a sponsor-rewarded buck. Please just barely do enough that we can lie to ourselves and pretend we’re fans of a non-joke run by people who aren’t POSs. Please.”
/rant
Oh this is the channel for scary people🤡
Batb is the most long winded competition in sport. Several months to do a skate tournament that could be done in a weekend.
Should be sponsor free, no bias with one referee for the whole competition. Not refs who are friends with the competitors or work with the sponsor.
Cariuma is a prime example of what is wrong with the world.
Defense is bigger margin for error. That means you get benefit of the doubt if there is doubt over a make but this clearly was not in doubt. Doesn't mean you get a free pass or else every trick on defense would be an automatic make lol. Shocking that Tyler didn't call a redo himself even after Joslin threw the red flag. Joslin would have called a redo on himself there, instantly, without needed to be told. Sewa too. While its not Tyler's job to call it in or out its dissapointing. Ref made an awful call and was an ass about it too.
Ref not considering the flag throw was such a joke, I don't even understand how this could happen. Better to have a group of selected people reffing that know what they are actually doing.
Yea it was pretty bloody random for him to be so insistent on his arrogance.
I 100% agree. People always talk about skating being over 90% mental (I don’t think is that high, but that’s besides the point). This is a perfect example on how the ref’s actions can affect a players skating. Dumb data is right, that if the ref did not challenge Chris when throwing the flag, then the results might have been different. This is because Tyler now possibly feels safer/more confident, while Chris feels like everyone (Cariuma) is against him, including Tyler for not owning up to what I would call a foot drag, not a toe touch.
That was all the toes
@@ashleybrown4754 and ball of foot! For sure
@@ashleybrown4754 hahaha, I’m surprised his shoe didn’t come off.
@@killmonger4169 100%
@@7plyTherapylmao
they need to bring back slides n grinds...
I wanted Chris to win!! Hands down my favorite skater
His chillness is contagious.
His face shows up in the dictionary under tenacious 💚
Defense means you can redo a toe drag. Offence is a no make on a toe drag. Toe drag never counts.
Edit at least thats how i think it should be.
That was well beyond the territory of anything that can be construed a “toe drag”. He landed in a complete stop with the his weight entirely off the board. Nothing dragged. He just landed with one foot’s weight on the board and one foot’s weight very much not.
This is not rocket science.
@@frozennorth3426 you ain't wrong.
When I want to hear a robot talk about skating, this channel is my go-to.
a question more pressing than whether or not that should have been called a re-do is, who's justin radner??
Lmao right just a nobody I've never heard of tbh 😂
Toe touch? MF dragged half his damn foot! Ref f#kd that up for real.
Legit breakdown D.D. No excuses/ Only reasons.
s.o. to Joslin for not punching in the face anyone in that warehouse
There were rigging allegations BEFORE this.
The jomboy dumb data reference is crazy
i agree it was a bad call and a bs game but i want to add some context. joslin i think sprained his ankle. iirc he even mentioned that it could get in the way of his flip tricks, i think thats why he even started with the basic 180s. game couldve gone either way honestly especially with the double flips, i still dont think he wouldve made them if he defended at any other point. ref and joslin are also "besties". i think the bias couldve also gone either way but who knows. anyways, berrics should get consistent refs. whether their reffing would be shit or not at least thered be consistency. prolly also minus any bias if u got someone outside of cariuma / berrics network.
Surely this pleases the cariuma overlords.
Yeah yeah even that dog was a betta reff!!😂
Thank you, brother.
Just thank you.
Seriously.
If he was consistent with his judging in this battle I think it’s valid.
Having previous cariuma riders as referees in BATB matches involving current cariuma riders is comparable to how former CEO's of large companies find themselves in favorable positions of power within the government and vice versa.
the ref really just threw the biggest middle finger to chris joslin in this one
I am glad that this video was made. Even as somebody who is completely unbiased towards any skater, I was so mad at that call. Peterson not speaking up is similar to someone refusing to call their hit in paintball or airsoft.
He probably has some sketchy contract where he has to follow along with their scheme. They want him to win so he can be a billboard for Carruma.
Not excusing it at all, if he is playing along he is complicit
Remember how angry Berra was when he lost last year? Clearly their 'golden goose'
I won't argue that a redo was necessary but personally, I don't think it would of changed the outcome of the game that much.
wrong, i peterson redid the back heel the perception of him as a skater would higher, guys a wimp.
Remember sewa repeating a perfect trick and saying "no bullshit n this one"?
Scientology Steve Berriuma just loves to have BATB tow the line between an absolute joke and a serious competition.
Yeah this was a dry ass game and Joslin is one of my fav skaters!
Like theres a toe touch where ur toe barely touches, then theres a toe touch where u completely stop, re set, then tic tac away...like a lil toe touch on def is ok but to do a trick, stop with 1/2 your foot on the ground, then hide on the other side of the park while its sorted is what that was
Peterson not doing a redo on his own is enough to be upset with the outcome.
justin ladner is fried
Finals night with Tyler will be an interesting vibe. Nothing to like about him. Wonder if he'll get boo'ed by the crowd lol
Ok but can we talk about how tight Tyler’s trucks are?
That wasn’t the worst call. Worst call was counting mark sucius nollie bs 3 heel on defense. His whole foot was on the ground and he picked his foot off the ground so I don’t even think it’s a land but it counted no redo
nope
@@frozennorth3426 explain why, literally guy’s whole foot came off the board, THATS not even a land. At least Tyler had part of his foot on the bord
That one was pretty rough
The Cariuma Conspiracy is real
I was waiting for this video from you.
J Lad got a Venmo notification from Cariuma for an undisclosed amount as soon as Tyler “landed” the sw bs heel.
Someone else should come up with the tournament that has at least a minimum standard when it comes to cleaning tricks up and more focus on style when it comes to choosing the contestants.
i dont even watch BATB anymore, i just watch Dumb Data's coverage
Joslin knew he might get screwed
Even as a casual fan like myself, that foot kickstand i mean touch was absolutely egregious whether or not that was “defense” pure fookery on that one
I’m just waiting on gifted hater
bro took inspo from jomboy💀honestly respect
Get Steve back to ref so we can also have a 15 minute monologue about how steve loves steve
Berra lookin like stoop kid before he left his stoop, and that damn cariuma logo gives me nightmares. This is what happens when you take something entertaining and make it completely unwatchable. Also dumb data I like these breakdowns, I think you got something with this
I remember I skated in a skate contest back in 1996. The judges weren't skaters (soccer moms,.etc). When I kicked flip the side of the pyramid, they didn't even realized the board "flipped".
While watching the game and seeing this happen. I already hoped there will be a Dumb Data video about it.
Since watching battle of the berrics since the beginning it was cool see the best skaters have fun and hold each other to a high standard. Now there’s a ref, a challenge flag and it still feels like the standard drops. It should be on the skaters like the Sewa championship where there’s honor in doing the trick correctly. Now it’s so serious that Joslin has to hype the crowd up? People want to win so much it’s taking the joy out while we watch bad sportsmanship in general season after season.
Berrics was a vibe back with reda and Donovan were there. Now it feels that it’s becoming everything people were against skating to be in the beginning.
Bought and payed for cariuma batb and they still can’t beat Jamie.
Great content!
“Clean it up for the kids!!”
“Coach Frank!!”
Was waiting for this😅
“This cursed game”
Ladner is an absolute nobody refereeing two batb VIPs. When he makes such an obvious error in judgment, some burden falls on the VIPs to maintain the standards of the game. Peterson did not rise to that occasion.
Idk if J Ladd making that call had anything to do with him being a Cariuma rider, I just believe it was a terrible call, the fact that nobody stepped in to stop it is more on the Berrics, the camera man or somebody needs to step in, his whole foot dragged across the ground that wasn’t just a toe drag, I thought bigger margin meant you could land a little sketchy not drag your foot across the ground, It’s a shame because I was hoping for Chris to win and Luan beat Jamie so we could see Chris and Luan play again
Biggest margin for error I’ve ever seen
Joslin had an injury preventing him from doing double flips as stated in the pre game video.
Agreeee totally Cariuma definitely has been a big part of the last 2 batb.
i wonder if this would've gone differently if tyler was on etnies and joslin on cariuma
Rules say no feet on the ground, that is at all times… ever, no not feet on the ground except on defense
How many black cariuma shirts do you reckon Tyler owns?
wait, who is tyler peterson?
Thank you Dumb Data for calling him out.
The replay looks like the worst attempt to make it look like a valid landing but just slowmo the full color take and it’s more than obvious this was rigged 😂
At this point it feels like Tyler Peterson doesn't even want to be liked anymore
he thinks if he wins, that he'll get real sponsors not Berra's shoe and deck companies😅
but Thrasher would NEVER give this kook ass kid a cover or even a spread.
honestly the entire industry needs to ban anything Cariuma.
and someone needs to be at the hell out of Steve at Tampa pro or sum shit
doesn't surprise me that a cariuma rider is a kook
At this point the berrics is so corrupted by cariuma and a gross track record of nepotism I think somebody else needs to step in and organize a new yearly game of SKATE. Doubt anyone’s jumping at the idea but someone could do it.
Dumb data you are a king
They need to run it back without that ref
The should change the title of the tournament to CARIUMA AT THE BERRICS.💯
Nah he straight up put his foot on the ground. Next they’ll be doing layback slides down clipper hubba and saying it’s good. Oh wait.
A variable is missing in this analysis: Joslin was injured. If you watch the pre-game interview, Chris said he couldn't flick properly. As soon as I heard that, knew he was done for, bad call or not.
berrics is just begging for someone to put up some money and produce a legit skate tournament.
It is probably part of cariuma sponsorship deal that at least one cariuma skater makes final. It's probably why batb12 was stacked with so many cariuma skaters.
6:47 😂
I came here looking for this😂
Watch these guys pull out their whack double flips and related nasty tricks because they know the pros got a better/deeper bag of tricks.
I know, these tik tok skaters got 12 year olds thinking they're the best when they can't even do the standard opening 16 tricks half the time😅
but hey he has it on video that he landed a frontward circus back footed late underfip bruh!
gorilla flip!
reverse colonoscopy flip!
and other DUMB shit.
I fvcking hate my kids generation so bad dude
It amazes how little respect this dudes have for Chris Joslin.