"It wasnt intended to be a race thing" Um....literally all hollywood talks about for years now has been race and sex. Its why art has become so bland. Because these people lost the art of subtlety.
They don't' see the irony in saying that when they literally have an episode/arcs about race. It's only okay when they talk about race, not us. They're better than us and were sent to help us be better.
I always think Star Trek is the best barometer from this. TNG: Let's setup an allegory and then look at all sides of the issue even if we strongly come down on one NuTrek: ICE BAD ICE BAD POLICE BAD (move on without actually saying anything)
"Subtlety and Naunce, the Beauties of concept and thought... how they inspire us. Unfortunately, dull minds of the ignorant cast it aside for their blind devotions." The hooded figure sighs. "How I miss double talks, the secrecy of traitorous, and the irony of life."
@@BlazingOwnager "Well, thank you." The figure bows. "Being a literary character such as I, tend to improvise our own. How I miss the Shakespearean dialect. The talks of devils, Nyarlathotep, or simply those who dabble in the shades of grey... brings such joy." Set removes his hood. "Feel free to spread such a quote at your leisure. After all, it's free."
In my country, this issue is literally tearing it apart. “Black = good, White = bad”. Which leads to a whole load of unqualified black people in government positions and various other positions. Now our infrastructure is falling apart, we have frequent power outages, we sometimes don’t get water for weeks. People are suffering much more now than they ever did in Apartheid. And there is a crazy new movement growing (EFF) which seeks to commit genocide on all the “whites” in the country.
Not joking, recently in England the national trust; the agency which manages environmental issues such as preserving plants and forests, actually issued a report calling the country side of the UK racist because it has so many white people! That report saw a lot of push back, but not from the likes of Davies. So yes, according to Russel T Davies, any place which just has white people in it is racist! Then again, this is the same man who thinks using a wheel chair makes a person evil, and that only "queer", people can express lightness and joy. I wonder who is guilty of the stereotyped views here!
Almost as if people who immigrate to this country or are descendants of immigrants move to and stay in the big towns and cities... but that's preposterous! Everyone knows that every race is evenly distributed all over the world. In all seriousness, I swear people forget that the native population of the European Countries are white
What exactly do they expect people to do? By that logic they shouldn’t live in that area because they might get attacked yet they’re still encouraging it. Absolutely no thinking.
Cant forget the Japanese, Italians and South Americans if we are speaking of just the US. But outside of it? I think a lot of ethnic groups have some kinda story to tell. Cant forget that a certain moustached man wanted to kill all slavs. Or how the Koreans were treated by their neighbours. And a lot of examples that i dont even know about. If anybody wants to make a movie about racism maybe they could make one about the examples i dont know about because then they could share parts of human history that many people might not even know about
Well it's not like indian, black and brown people have been in england the last 500 years or anything... Everyone knows the UK never did slavery or have a well known history of it
I have always hated this recent idea of "Not seeing colour is racist!" I grew up in the 90's/early 00's and we didn't see a person as their skin colour or sexuality ( Mostly on the second one to a degree.) we just got on with people because of who they are. That's how I live now, and I have been called out multiple times by people for "Why don't you care about this person is colour/sexuality/gender indentity?!" and they hate when I answer "Well I care WHO they are, not WHAT they are." It's such a dumb world we live in now.
Rascism is only possible because of judging people by physical appearances. The END of racism will only come when NO ONE notices skin color, and just see other humans. Of course, we'll still have misanthropy... but at least then, the misanthropist is hating everybody equally! ;D
Yeah the notion "not seeing colour is racist" is very stupid and i feel like the people who say that want you to see colour and be like "see? White people racist". It goes against their narrative that there are white people who dont give a fuck if youre the colour of terracotta or likestone. I do not see a reason to care about anybodys ethnicity or sexual orientation. This isnt the same as to not acknowledge it. If your friend is gay it doesnt change anything about who he is and that hes your friend. You can acknowledge he is gay, and you can give him assurance that he could show up with his boyfriend and you wouldnt judge him. A friend can share that shes mixed latina and asian and you can say "wow thats cool." "You have an interesting background" but also doesnt change that she is a good person you like. Maybe if you say "i dont see colour/gender/sexuality" some people view that as if you were dismissing them but honestly its not that. I will call my trans friend by what they prefer but idc if theyre trans if theyre nice people
That is literally the cornerstone of CRT. It's unfortunate that the detractors of CRT are often quite ignorant and don't really know how to articulate the argument, so they look very poor in media (or are legitimately doing it for the wrong reasons). But this stuff is *deeply* ingrained into this ideology. The moment I really turned against it was when segregation got put back on the CA ballot as a *progressive* measure. That is not progress.
That is a major cornerstone of CRT. It's unfortunate that the detractors of CRT are often don't really know how to articulate the argument, so they look very poor in media (or are legitimately doing it for the wrong reasons). But this stuff is deeply ingrained into this ideology. The moment I really turned against it was when segregation got put back on the CA ballot as a progressive measure. That is not progress.
That is literally the cornerstone of CRT. It's unfortunate that the detractors of CRT don't really know how to articulate the argument, so they look very poor in media (or are legitimately doing it for the wrong reasons). But this stuff is deeply ingrained into this ideology.
As you mentioned, tribalism will always be a part of the human condition. In the past we tried to reduce racism by understanding it was bad for society. This people have gone full circle to being racist but justifying their racism as good because they are using their racism towards certain people as means to end racism towards others. And just creating more racism overall.
as one of the leaders of the current "anti-racism" crowd said a few years ago: "the only answer to past racism is present racism, the only answer to present racism is future racism" This is the same group that RTD and many people in leadership roles in entertainment and many politicians (mainly democrats and Labour) ascribe to
I mean that was pretty much the mindset behind the mid-century Germans and look how that turned out: as long as X race exists, they will always subject Y race to their oppression.
Same, it’s almost impossible to get attached to any new good shows because I always have to worry some idiot will worm their way into the franchise and ruin it. Like I’m still shocked how good CSI: Vegas was, I truly expected it to be as bad as criminal minds is now.
@@questworldiangreenknight7455 still pissed that they canceled that show. I am terrified the only thing left will be shows that have you know, the Message.
They could learn a thing or two from Deep Space 9 and their portrayal of the series first black captain; he was never "The Black Captain", he was just "The Captain" and happened to be darker than most of the rest of the cast.
Ironically Disparu mentioned the same thing about seeing it through a different lens, that being English, and not realizing because to him nothing seemed off with being white
I noticed the pastels. I mean...the colors, color grading were these soft pastels that.... Well, very few can pull it off, but it also felt like this is some twisted image of "the white community". I then noticed that not one man was masculine. And finally, they choose to pile up ever 'blond' stereotype into one irritating package. In a way, it was horrifying. Which really, the slugs were supposed to be horrifying ones, right?
@vilena5308 But what makes it worse is they were obviously alien with black blood and odd eyes, not humans. So, how could we assume their history of interaction with other species had been perfect. Perhaps they had had run ins with aliens before that hadn't gone well and the Dr and Ruby were aliens to them. Maybe it was nothing to do with colour. Just experience.
As a black dude, I've always looked up to Malcolm X. His most iconic line that still sticks with me to this day is, "Beware of the White liberal." Basically, racism comes in many forms. Liberal racism is easy to spot. Usually, they hide behind the minority and use them as a mouthpiece to further their agenda. The writer(s) of the doctor who series is a prime example.
He wasn't wrong. Talk to one and they have the most racist beliefs I've ever heard about us. We're too dumb to know how to use a computer, or get a state ID card or a driver's license. Wtf?
The more I look back, the more I wish Malcom was the big hero. He wanted to just separate, and I genuinely think that would have been healthier, looking at the state of things.
@@great-wyrmII iirc, Malcom wanted to leave white America to let blacks rule themselves. I do think that was his opinion after the CR, though could be wrong either way
People forget that Europeans are more racist to other Europeans that they our to other racist. The Irish, Welsh, and Scottish people would be more racist to an English that someone from Africa & an English would be more racist to the France. The Irish word francach means both Rat and French.
In the early 2000's and late 90's most people were cool with each other in the states. If there was any type of prejudice being portrayed it was from one or two individuals vs 50 individuals of every ethnicity to band together and defend the person who received the prejudice behavior. *Sigh* I miss those days.
I swear, we're in a sort of cycle, where one side is oppressed, then they have a revolution of some sort, then after a few decades, everyone's chill, but then the race who were the former oppressors become the oppressed, then they have a revolution of some kind, and the cycle continues. Either that or it'll end with blood. I hope as a species, we can catch this sooner rather than later and just stay chill
It's all about politics. The left try to split people apart by race, sex, and sexuality them unite them against a common perceived enemy with pandering and false promises. Sooner or later the scheme has to fall apart, either when people realize they're being duped and will never get what's been promised, or when the various united factions start infighting over their fundamentally opposing views and goals.
@@That_Random_British_Dudeit’s not a cycle of oppression. It’s a lie about oppression being the source of inequality. People were told we’re only unequal because of oppression, but we can fix that. they were told that lie for 60 years while the inequalities remained stubbornly unfixed, no matter how many policies were passed into law to create more equality. Now the bill is coming due. The people who thought equality could be created by their policies are blaming everyone else for the failures of those policies, and the rest of us are fed up with taking the blame for other people’s failures. Things are just going to get increasingly unstable until we suck it up and start having mature, realistic conversations about what actually causes inequality in all human societies and what can be done to make life better for everyone.
Don't look at me, I gave up all mine when I started watching Doctor Who in 1979 with a rerun of Sarah Jane Smith getting harassed by potato-headed aliens in an English castle in the early years of the Middle Ages. Where all these new series fans got theirs from... I dunno, maybe it was a free gift with their BBC licence fee or Disney+ subscription.
I just realized that Godzilla Minus One has NO DANISH PEOPLE IN IT. I am so deeply closeted racist against Danes (apparently) that I did not notice. I'll go cancel myself now.
You're right! And there were no Mexicans either! It's SUPER-racist! And we were all ULTRA-racist for not realizing it! *GASP!* There were no Native Americans or Uyghurs either! SO MUCH RACISSSSSSISMS!!! *cuts self in despair*
My problem is that Davies seems to think he has the right to make people his lab rats. It's dehumanizing. This episode is a weird test and people are supposed to feel bad if they didn't pass it. It proves Davies' arrogance, his elitist attitude and his disdain for people that think differently than him.
People like him truly believe they're better than you. They think that they can do whatever they feel is right because they're special, and you don't really matter. It's the same screwed up mindset that led so many people to support eugenics back in the early 20th century.
When I was a teenager in the 90's race relations were headed in the right direction. I used to think that by the time I had kids, which would be current day, animosity between races would be mostly gone. Instead, for the last 10-15 years its only gotten worse.
You know, I remember when I first started watching this series, staring at the very beginning with Rose and the 7th doctor I believe. Looking back, I remember Roses then boyfriend at the time was black, and when I first saw that, I thought nothing of it. He seemed like a normal guy caught in something way bigger than him or anyone.
I grew up watching shows like the magic school bus where it had a diverse ser of characters and no one really cared or noticed. I hate how everything is racism these days and it's perpetuated by crap like this episode.
@@wayward11 Look, the Ninth Doctor is the 10th, the 9th Doctor is only eventually recognised as a Doctor and doesn't even get a number, the Tenth Doctor is actually the 11th, 12th and 16th, the Eleventh is 13th, the 14th is the first of a new cycle but supposedly the Twelfth Doctor, the 15th supposedly the Thirteenth is told apparently she's the INFINITIETH Doctor and the First Doctor IS NOT THE 1ST and the 17th Doctor who's named either the Fifteenth or WHO KNOWS BECAUSE APPARENTLY THIS IS NOW THE THIRD SEASON 1 AGAIN and we used to think it was bad because we didn't know if the Tom Baker UNIT stories were set in the 1970s or 1980s You don't know why you got that wrong? Jesusweepingblood I don't know how ANYBODY HAS A HOPE OF TRACKING ANY OF THIS RIDICULOUS MESS. Or for that matter, why they'd bother any more when it's so horrifyingly bad and nonsensical now.
It doesn’t look anything like Doctor Who anymore either. The effects, the vibe, the writing, I honestly could never tell this was Doctor Who until I saw that blue police box. I know this is weird but I actually preferred when the effects looked kinda fake, honestly I think it’s because I’ve only seen the advanced effects in the badly written episodes 😂.
@@joshuacr well said. It really proved you don’t need realistic effects to get people invested in a good story. The Tennant Era was especially good at this, especially in the very first Ood Episode with The Devil!
I started watching during the Pertwee/Baker era so for me part of what I loved on Dr Who was the low budget effects. When new Who started up, I just couldn't get into it because it was too polished for lack of better words.
Same as in the oldest episodes, where foam "rocks" merrily bounced around, alien worms were made with green painted bubble wrap and the green screen had clear chromakey problems. The effects were often lacking but the stories and characters were so fun and interesting. Most really made you think about moral issues without slapping you in the face with them. The daleks are one of the best examples. They had grander plans for them, but construction was so expensive/hard they had to settle for everyone's favourite malicious pepper pots. Villains that would normally be very silly, except for some great writing and voices making them absolutely terrifying.
I will quote a reviewer I enjoyed watching. "It's not progression if you're progressing to where the rest of us already are." So many of the "progressives" seem to seek old issues to resurect in order to overcome them... again.
I thought it was like they all looked alike because they are all trapped in the same shallow media bubble and had no other things to form their personalies. And that's why they resembled Barbie like beings. I would assume that there were also dark skinned communities exactly like this because, surprise, social media bubbles tend to filter you to hang around in spaces try to pairyou with people that look and think like you.
We already know Russell T Davies is unable to see past immutable characteristics to view people as full individual human beings as he told us already that seeing a villain in something that looks like a wheelchair makes him think all disabled people are evil.
I feel like Stargate SG-1 did what they were going for here way, way better. They were helping this one alien faction, who kept treating Teal'c very badly and not wanting him around. Everyone assumed it was because he wasn't human, so they let it slide. Then slowly they realized that wasn't it at all, and the whole war they were fighting was over race. It was done in a really subtle way so when you realized what was happening, it recontextualized everything you saw before. I also loved the fact Teal'c was probably the least offended person by the revelation, since he didn't even really understand the context. I guess that's in the 90s, when sci-fi was good.
Wasn't that the episode where, after finding that out, they just dialed the gate back home and left them to die? That was such a cathartic moment. If I remember correctly, I'm pretty sure that SG-1 also left without even saying a word. An interesting thing to note is how, whilst SG-1 abandoning the racist planet is something we can all agree was a good move, or at least an acceptable one, the sheer concept of the _Doctor_ doing the same thing is something that _must_ be criticised, and I know why. As a group of humans who're from a planet that has already experienced attempts at eugenics, SG-1 is _allowed_ to let their disgust and emotions inform their actions. The Doctor, on the other hand, is an alien from a planet that doesn't _care_ about race or gender, and he's also dedicated himself to doing everything he can to protect people, no matter who they are; it has already been explored in _great_ detail that the Doctor is willing to help _anyone_ in need, regardless of who they are or what they've done, so the fact that Fifteen _didn't_ try to say anything beyond "bUt yOu'Ll DiE" is so out-of-character that it should've never even been _considered_ as a possible ending.
@@Jackson-ub1uv Before they left, to even the score on the damage they inflicted earlier piloting drones, they flew them again and turned them on the creators, then left them as the whole place was getting carpet bombed. Going the extra mile I think was warranted because SG-1 unknowingly fueled and operated them against their enemies earlier.
when Jack Harkness was introduced into Doctor Who (and then further Torchwood), his sexuality wasn't hidden at all, but you know why no one cared? because it wasn't the only part of his character, it was just a small part of who he was, and he was a pretty great character overall. if Jack was introduced today, he'd be oppressed for being bisexual, because that's the only way they know how to create characters nowadays
Alterori you mentioned white people being a majority in places like Sweden and Denmark, we're a majority in the UK, we're around 80% of the population (as in native born British), but you wouldn't know that watching our media. Working class Brits have basically no representation in media and we're becoming tired of it, things are going to change soon
Someone told me a story, that a kid saw a black person on the street in the UK and said: "Look dad, its one of the people from commercials" Insinuating that White people have little representation in their own media. This not only degrades black people but it is ultimately so racist.
I mean the UK, or specially Britain is basically just London to the rest of the world, and would you guess teh one place white people arent the majority
I live on an island with 9000 people... There's only 1 black person here cause he married a woman here... and there was a black woman, she was adopted, but she married to someone not living here... And I can't think of any asians of the top of my head... Because it's "only" 9000 people, everyone knows everyone... and I wonder if RTD would think we're racist if he spent a summer here... cause we're a vacation spot... people come here during the summer from all races, and we don't tell them to leave the island... Now, are there racists on the island... sure... if you look i'm sure you could find them... but it's silly to focus on those few people...
It's not just about an emphasis on race with Russel T Davis, the villain character Davros who is primarily shown being in a wheel chair was made body able to in Russel's word "not associate evil with disabled people" and is one of the reasons they made a good guy disabled person later on. These people view everything from a lens of victim culture and race before anything else and look at everyone normal as if they're the problem.
For 90% of Doctor Who's run, the alien and future human populations have mostly been white people who, strangely enough, speak with a distinctively English accent. 😂
@@randallbesch2424 Well, I already said they were mostly white, so that part was redundant. Heterosexual? Most likely, by default. Christian? Not really. You pulled that one out of your back door ;)
@@staszaxarov4930 Indeed. I don’t think that I articulated my point clearly. The “aliens” and future humans on the show have mostly been white people throughout the show’s run, so I don’t see why the writers of this episode would expect the audience to find anything odd about the future folks being all white.
Doctor who had no reason to make an episode with this plot, not only was this plot handled worse than a gas station robbery at 6pm but trying to put racism in the last 5 minutes of the episode just came out of nowhere and was very off-putting.
The basic idea has the grounds for some good sci-fi. But then it's handled as poorly as it possibly could be. The 'twist' at the end should be material that essentially is it's own episode. What happens when the doctor is faced with a group of people that refuse his help? Moreover what lengths will he got to to try and save them even though they spurn him. You could make them 'bad' people or not, depending on how you want to take the idea, but here this is handled with all the subtlety and grace of a quadriplegic cow.
I mean, they're also doing it based on what racist human interactions seem to be. Or did they conveniently forget the Doctor is an alien? As are these guys? What about that type of an interaction? Despite both looking exactly like humans, they can pick up on each other being aliens, but that requires being alien, I suppose. ....
Its also comes out of nowhere when you consider the doctor was chilling with all these other racists in the basement for the entire time and not once did he pick up on the fact they were racist. Like make your plot make sense Russel
@@RoseBaggins > Or did they conveniently forget the Doctor is an alien? ALL THE TIME Fun story: in the novels between the classic and modern series, they explored some of Gallifrey's history. The Gallifreyans were rendered sterile, no children. Reproduced a completely different way. But people have been talking about how the Doctor crying is a normal healthy (human) method of expression, finally undoing all that War trauma... ... which is just headcanon, rather than being really in the story; because otherwise you'd have to explain why in the classic series with no War, the Doctor cried about... ONCE.
I suddenly find myself wondering why the people screaming "Where are the black people in Shogun" aren't asking "Where are the black people in fine town"? Why is it a problem that a show featuring Japanese history at a point with limited outside contact having no black people is a problem but a show featuring an alien colony of all white aliens is fine with them?
I was baffled by that like really???? I was watching an ancient fantasy Chinese drama. Someone said it was racist because it's not diverse (I hope they were trolling), but good thing I didn't need to say anything as others did the work for me.
I remember when I was watching Ace as a female companion back in ye old days. I wasn't thinking. "Oh wow! Look, *another* female companion! Let's talk about how she'll be oppressed as a woman!" No, I was just thinking she was really cool.
@@nvfury13 well technically he had two and called her his granddaughter but she wasn't. People also forget that. Ironically because of The actor's health, we have the regeneration bit as well.
Nah they completely meant for it to be a race thing, other wise they all wouldn't had look like a planet of the Aryans. The fact that the doctor has repeatidly over the decades ran into different species that always treat humans or human looking beings like crap, but this time they had to make him react like it never happens and it only happened to THIS doctor and this doctor only.
They even did a terrible job with *that* if you pay attention to the pictures flowing by in the bubble, it’s like they forgot to give the person in charge of that effect and the one in charge of getting non-speaking extras that everybody was supposed to be white there.
Looking at Star Trek my fav Captain of all time is Captain Benjamin Sisko, played by the one and only Avery Brooks. The problem is there is no way they could write the Character properly now. Just sad that both Trek, Star Wars and Doctor Who have fallen so far. Great video as usual.
Well first off you would actually need writers with, I don't know: the ability to write. That has long been gone to make a checklist of other diversity requirements (except experience.) But I digress....
he’s actually my third favourite captain, Im not the biggest “trek” fan, But my favourite captain’s in order, Archer, Janeway and Sisko. Janeway played a female role and I dont think I heard her character mention it once out of school. She also drove her fucking ship Halo style into an enemy ship. I mean idc where you from thats pretty damn hardcore
What's interesting is contrasting how DS9 handled it and where we are now. Sisko got grumpy because the holoprogram was "inaccurately" representing the past and Yates asked him why he'd want to continue to perpetuate it. Would he rather enjoy participating in it as an equal or avoid it because things were different in the past? Yates won and Sisko showed up. You're correct. I shudder to think how that would have been written today.
Yep. It's DEI - and one thing I keep thinking every time I see a company or product that is DEI oriented, I think to myself "Now I'd HATE to be one of these marginalized races trying to work at this company because now everyone who works here will think I'm a diversity hire instead of being hired for my merit. In fact, there's no way I can ever know for sure that I wasn't!" and it would drive me insane.
What I don't get is the way modern activists and people who are striving to be activists don't seem to understand that to create an inclusive society one would need to encourage a mindset of not focusing on these unimportant characteristics about an individual. In that vein they are doing the absolute opposite of that by actually highlighting and focusing on these things and sometimes being extremely obnoxious about it. I have a friend who absolutely wishes that they would stop featuring non-heterosexual attraction in such inorganic ways because it's actually creating resentment towards people like himself where he lives. Societies were actually on the way to general acceptance but now everybody is just getting turned off or pissed off because everything now is about labels and identity.
@@paulanderson2963 It's short-term thinking. Creating an actual inclusive harmonious society would be difficult, complicated, and take a long period of hard work and dedication. On the other hand, using race, sex, gender and sexual orientation as a wedge can get activists immediate gains both financially and politically. Some folks are just too ignorant to understand that it's going against their longer-term goals, others just don't care because it was always about grifting a quick gain for them.
@@SunwardRanger83 Honestly I do generally believe the higher ups of these activist groups are in it for the money and political power, notice how many them end up in powerful positions or quite wealthy? It never was about fighting for the cause, but to gain power. Look at b l m for example, the leadership got rich and brough house. As for the lower ranks well just useful tools who are indoctrinated.
Exactly, this American concept of "White" doesn't even make sense for Europe, since there are mainly 2 large groups being the Germanics / Anglo-Saxons, and Greek-Romans / Mediterraneans, specifically and especially such as Spain Italy and Greece Also on the other note, besides discrimination against Indigenous and Latino Americans; another clear examples is, Anti Asian racismo, in the past century, which broadly it's openly not even acknowledged, and in the few cases when it is, barely anything has ever been done about it. And now what's even more egregious the most disgusting part is that a group a portion of these "progressives" and so on, have gone as far as openly being even more racist again, going as far as practically openly condoning and promoting it, calling labeling Asians as "White adjacent" in their racist ideological views, as being "privileged" Pretty obvious but still to be said. All only because Asians by family influence and culture tends to put high importance in respectability and civility, and consequently tend to do better financially and chooses not to commit crimes (or at least not violent crimes) Without taking a single moment to consider a nanosecond to take into account the cost, how much time and effort, and sacrifices the same Asians have to make; it's through 12-16 Hours work days 6 days a week for a whole decade, with no time for much else at all, to get to that point of achieving what they've earned through such discipline and work. Of course those regressive ideologues don't like to think or talk about any of that. Seriously it's truly beyond disgusting all of it.
THANK YOU! I'm sick of this, too. Why are USAmericans and recently people from the UK, too, so obsessed with race (it's not really even about skin colour because plenty of "poc" have a similar skin tone to Europeans)? Which is a completely made up concept, there is only one human race. Literally the kind of bs na zis believed in. I'm from Finland, and yeah, people in my country on average have a pretty light skin tone. We didn't have many immigrants from countries other than our immediate neighbours until like twenty years ago (contrary to what people may think, we were pretty poor until fairly recently, so it's not like people wanted to come and not like we could offer much). I grew up being told that it's rude to refer to a person with a colour like black/brown/white/etc (so I still really dislike being called white, even though these terms are now used even by our media because of influence from the English language) and to not focus on people's looks above their character. I find it crazy that there is so much focus on grouping people into ridiculous, meaningless boxes based on their skin colour or made up race. As if all black people are the same. As if all white people are the same. All brown people are the same. That's just insulting. It erases cultures and ignores history. Not all people who sort of look the same think the same. Not all of them have the same history. Not all of them even want to be lumped into the same box. Considering how much these people supposedly care about opression, it's pretty funny that they happily group together opressors and the oppressed because they happen to look kinda same.
I didn't realise this is what they were going for at the end of the episode until I went on Twitter and read what other people were saying about that ending scene. Just thought because he was an outsider, not from their culture/civilisation, they didn't want to go with him. And what you said in your other video, about him not fighting to save them despite their prejudice, is so true. Other Doctors would've fought harder to get them out of there. I don't want to view my entertainment through the lens these people are using to view the world, but I feel like it's inevitable. I just want to enjoy fun sci-fi stories. :/
You'll find a lot of the people behind stuff like this don't believe black people can actually be racist or that racism towards white people isn't even racist to begin with, typically blind to the irony of their claims. Just like with black slavers, few would ever (intentionally) include a racist black person in modern shows; that's a whites-only thing in modern media.
Only seen clips, not the episode itself, nor do I intend to.. But here's what I've reacted to (and I might be off bec of above reason) Noone seems to bat an eye, these people have supposedly never seen a colored person before, there's no pointing, no staring, screaming, being upset. Nothing.
2:05 I'm sorry Davis but I don't obsess over skin colour when I go into a WORK OF FICTION, so I didn't notice any racism up until that lukewarm jab at the end. Without the 'Voodoo' comment this episode could easily be about any dividing factor.
That voodoo comment doesn't even make sense because if the people aren't earthlings and the planet isn't Earth, why do they know what voodoo is or have black stereotypes that are identical to the ones on Earth at all? RTD basically gave up on this being a sci-fi story halfway into the script. 🤦🏽♀️
That's the thing. TV/cinema is not putting minority character in equal roles. they always seem to need to fight against the majority ones. The same thing happened in Star Trek Discovery where everyone had to jump around Burnham like if she was the only competent member of the crew.
That was ridiculous. I've seen a couple of seasons of Discovery, and most of the bridge crew is so underdeveloped that I don't remember their names. Like, come on, don't make Michael do everything. Give the other characters skills she doesn't have and opportunities to use them. And give them episodes to develop them and delve into their backstories. Otherwise, they're just African girl, cyborg lady, Asian guy, etc.
I started watching doctor who again starting with the 2005 reboot and the difference with how the show was back then and how it's now is night and day. I watched the whole first season and not once was I pulled out of the world of the show due to forced CURRENT_YEAR bullshit. There was stuff referencing events and politics of the era it aired, and the settings the episodes took place in, but it was integrated into the show itself in a way that didn't feel forced or out of place.
the ironic thing is there have been multiple story lines over the 60 years of Dr Who that have covered razizm, opression, xenophobia even classism the difference is they did it through the entire story they didn't just change the end on you the entire episode of dot and bubble told a story about classism isolationism and agism at no point did it touch on skin tone but you were the bad one for not noticing that it was the doctors skin the whole time and had nothing to do with his actions
While blurry images of others in the network flowed behind him, some with skin tones barely lighter than his. I honestly think the race thing was something the writer came up with at the last second, after production of the rest of the episode was already done, including the bubble effect extra head shots had been finalized.
@@nvfury13I am a 68 year old white woman who has been watching Dr Who forever.. I noticed very early on in this episode it was like “Hollywood Squares” only everyone is white! I turned off early in the episode because it was shallow boring tripe. I don’t like racist boring shows.. This is not the Doctor! I’m back to watching classic who.
Imo if they made an episode where humanity loses the ability to distinguish gender would be really good. Imagine the sorts of problems that would occur? Imagine you fall in love with a person, you date them and you feel like they're perfect, but then you learn they cannot have children because they're a man, or they learn you're a man and cannot have children, or visa versa (could be two women). But they wouldn't write an episode like that because it destroys woke arguments based on sexuality and gender. The human animal brain naturally sees difference subconsciously, but we as people can see beyond that
Dr Who is really just them in thier death throws. It's sad really, so much progress lost. As the majority rejects them "that" group was always expected to become increasingly radicalized. I have a feeling the whiplash may take them back to a pre 1950's standing very soon.
I superfixated on how the white man was killed off after outliving his usefulness and no guilt or remorse from that creature called the main character.
I'm stuck on that, too. The man was good and decent and lost his life protecting a despicable person and nobody gave a sht. So when that despicable person goes on to be obviously r/cist to what's his face, it's not some "she's so evil!!" moment. That guy dying was the climax. Watching what's his face trying so hard to save such detestable creatures became confusing. Why is he even trying? It makes him seem odd for being that invested. Why would it bother him to begin with? He's not really a black man, he's a Doctor. None of this made sense.
What I want to know is, _why_ didn't Fifteen pull out a "Zygon Inversion" speech to convince the people to go with him? Instead of trying to find something that works, Fifteen was just mashing the same square peg into the round hole.
Yeah, in hindsight after watching the episode sgain, this episode felt very 1984, NOT 2024, where it’s like the only thing you can contribute to any form of demographic is the stereotypes that go along with said demographics, where there’s never an out to progress; it’s always a state of regression to get some point across, that we all learned 30+ years ago!!!
You just blew my mind. I knew there was something off that was bugging me about the character. Your comment about him acting like a modern day black person was spot on. He is doctor who. He is over 2000 years old and most of that time he was a white dude. Yet he has experienced a lifetime of racism for being black. He is not acting like Doctor Who he is acting like himself and its jarring.
You know as a black dudeI find it strange that in a long-lasting IPs. Shows like Star wars and Doctor who instead of focusing on diversity on new alien species or new planets new sci-fi ideas to explore They instead went to the most generic thing ever. Why can't They just have Doctor who be sci-fi Doctor who stuff and don't focus on racism on skin tone if they had no problem doing this before why is this a problem now. Do they really think we just get up everyday and look around and say "oh no a group of white men! Oh how terrible!" No wonder why this joke of the show is dying.
Ironically, this version of the doctor is only half of the doctor because he was split in half during the regeneration phase or something. I can’t ignore how that decision feels like a hand-me-down where we follow the black doctor while the other white doctor is just out of the picture.
If I had a nickel for every time the Tennant Doctor split into two during a regeneration, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird it happened twice.
the problem is identity is the only trait for these people to write about for whatever reason i have written characters who have been mentally physically and sexually abused and besides being f'd in the head from cranial trauma from nearly dying as a child nearly two decades ago i have never personally dealt with any of the subjects that i write about BUT i take the time to write them to a "Passable degree" which in my world means if someone can poke a hole in it i f'd up somewhere hell it is the reason I RESEARCH EVERYTHING I WRITE ABOUT from the psychological effects of sexual trauma to the mythos of wukong and journey to the west to the point where i've mentioned before on other videos that I COULD WRITE A COLLEGE PAPER ON EVERY DAMN SUBJECT I HAVE EVER DELVED INTO because i actually gave a damn to make decent stories and not token representation like a lot of media is sadly wholly focused on
it is a new form of blaxploitation. so you're quite right when you said it's not progressive, but regressive and degrading. funny enough, there's some nunsploitation too for a bit, the latest example is the omen prequel. and it can be argued that any movie these days where great and benevolent women are being oppressed by the bad and evil men is a new form of women in prison genre. what exploitation do you think it's going to be next? another nazisploitation, or brucesploitation? lol
Warrior Nun season two went hard with this sht. It actually had promise but it was not women empowerment enough, anti male enough, or gay enough because they added that in spades. Shipping characters with zero chemistry. Killing off male characters like red shirts. Going full "somewhere a MAN would never find it." It was so cringe.
I thought the new "-sploitation" (feminismploitation?) was series like "The Handmaid's Tale". Not a judgement on quality btw, it just strikes me as hypocritical condemning media for showing violence against women, even if framed totally negatively, but praising what barely differs from torture porn (even adding grisly details not in the source material) because it validates some masochistic desire to see some crushing patriarchy in action.
1:56 What is this, him trying to create a "gotcha" moment in the show? Now I'll admit - I do not watch Doctor Who. Used to be interested, now...not so much. But I think I can still answer this question as I watch other TV shows and movies that do tend to have predominantly white people in it. And as a black person I....don't...care. I never really sat there and thought about it unless the medium in question is specifically trying to have race as part of its story. I don't care what color or race these people are. I care about what they're doing, what their personalities are, what their motives may be, what they have to do with the plot, etc. Their race means very little to me. So to the question of "Why didn't you think about why there are more white people than other races" my answer is: Because it doesn't matter to me, and it shouldn't matter so much in the first place. Edit: 12:30 *THIS*. Oh man I've been saying this ever since this sudden push for "diversity and inclusion" began. These showrunners and execs don't seem to understand all they're doing is painting targets on our backs, especially when their version of "diversity" is transforming a white character into a black one. I've always seen a little bit of resentment in comment sections towards my race due to stereotypes, but lately it's been so extremely bad that I fear actually revealing my race under certain videos (not that I do it willy nilly. I only do so when it's part of the topic at hand). This is only gonna get worse the more this stuff continues to happen.
At this point, I think the target painting is intentional. they've done this so much and so many of the people involved are some kind of activist. activism never wants to be out of a job, so I think they are using things like skin tone as a battering ram in order to look like the fight is never over. intentional pot stirring at peoples expense.
Well said. Loving your videos. I am really fed up of this season. I'm a caucasian Brit, but have brown eyes and dark brown hair. All I thought - well, everyone has very blue eyes. To be honest, I thought it was a colour-palatte thing. The kind of colouring portrayed in the episode looks more Scandinavian. Which is very insulting of RTD... to other caucasian nations. And where is this episode set anyway? Is it an earth colony? Who knows? BECAUSE RTD DOESN'T HAVE THE INTELLIGENCE TO WORLD BUILD. One episode at a time, RTD continues to insult our intelligence, seeking to divide. I've lived in Japan, by the way, for the last 30 years... This is regressive sci-fi. Every blinking episode.
*Clap-clap-clap* I agree with ALL your points, Alteori! It's all so tired and bland, greatly reminding me of Doublespeak from George Orwell's 1984--they SAY that they're for DEI, yet where is it? Why give the opposite take?! Ugh... 🤦🏻♀️
Not even close to what he said. But good job at projecting what u are doing where yall get called out for your racism then claim it isn't about him being black when it is
@@kuggacouragegx6093 how is it NOT what he basically said, don't you notice all the white folk?! If you don't, what's WRONG WITH YOU!? you white supremacist capitalist!
@Alteori can you do videos on Torchwood? Sort of the adult spinoff of DW. The first season was hit or miss, but I don't remember it being as badly received as DW is now.
This is the sad reality for people who have a limited and distorted perception of the world because they lack actual life experiences to see how flawed their perceptions really are. It's honestly sad how people like this are so ignorant that they make everything about people's physical characteristics or preferences in partners. Unfortunately, people like this are so dissociated with other people that they can't see how this is counterproductive to its intended goal. Also, trust me on Ghost In The Shell. If you already love anime, you are going to love that one.
At 14:12 if you're not sure what to call this slop, its propaganda. Throughout history every regime has co-opted art and entertainment to push their ideology or ambitions. Its not about legacy or passion or fun. Its about the message.
i'm black and i didn't even notice it until i saw a review. after years of watching show my mind just didn't go there because the show never went there before. usually when they tackle racism it's not subtle but direct, like when the 12th doctor attacked sutcliffe for making racial comments about billie, or the rosa parks episode(which was kind of cringey). even ben 10 alien force handled topics like this better. i don't know what rtd is doing now with these forced messages. it's not how he wrote the 9th and 10th doctor's stories. i remember martha was worried about being black when they went to new york and the doctor said something like "just walk around like you belong and you'll be fine". he made it seem like these issues that humans have with race and social issues are miniscule in the grand scheme of things in the universe. but if they want to do a story about race, they should revisit journey to the center of the tardis, because that was the most racist episode of doctor who that i've ever seen, and the way black people were portrayed in it was messed up. i don't mind episodes like this, just write it well. they could have made it so that he has to go undercover in the 1800's, puts his consciounsess in a fob watch and chameleon arch, becomes human and has to work on a plantation undercover for some reason. ruby is undercover there too but works as a maid or something like martha did in human nature, and she sees what the doctor goes through and it hurts her because she can't stop it. the doctor gets his memories back but still remembers all the pain he went through while being enaslaved and he has a new perspective of what that time era was like for people that had the same skin color as him in america and other countries where the slave trade took place, and he gets it and sympathizes. i'm not saying it's an original or better idea for an episode, but it would be better than what they did. i think ncuti deserves to have an episode to express situations like this that he might have been through as the doctor, like how the actor that plays arlong in the one piece live action show is black and might be able to relate to arlong's fishman backstory about discrimination, because is passionate acting at the end was very moving, but this episode wasn't the right way to go about it.
I don’t think Doctor who ever should have any race issues brought up unless it happens to play a small role in story based on historical context of a timeframe on earth. The show should be about alien races obviously
Growing up in the 80's and 90's we never thought about race in the way like today. Yeah we would "high side" on each other about different racial things but it was universally done back and forth. We all hung out no matter what color we were. Hell as children we fought over who got to be storm from X-Men. We didn't care she was black. It's sad seeing younger people who see color before anything else about another person.
This episode will only ever come up when we are looking back on how bad this season was. Nothing about this episode was stand out or eye-openning, it was a boomer facebook meme(Oh look at all those youngin' with their tictacs and their instagrams) with a tip of a pinkie toe dip in the pool of racism conversation
This is not about colour, it about being about being lgbtw alphabet followers. If you listen to a word they say, you just have to cringe, this is not how real people with respect interreact with each other. Doctor Who was a person of unknown origin, and began and wild adventure in time and space. The Doctor had so many great companions, not everyone of them white, Martha Jones was as strong as the Doctor. The cast had so many different cultures and people cast in it, but the story line made you want to watch it. Now it has seemed to have angered people on so many different levels, yeah I am white and straight, I can't change that. But what this show has become isn't scfi, it is an assault on our intelligence... RTD is part of an elite bubble, Who cares what they project now. RIP Dr Who. Thanks for the review, I look at everyone as just who they are....
i think its the sickness of obsession.. when someone start obsessing about something even if its in terms of rejecting its , that things gains control over theme .. Racism can become self fulfilling prophecy
We are living in a time of Regression. Though, I am hopeful things will eventually recorrect as it seems like people are starting to smarten up to this kind of behavior.
The more I am hit with this media from America. Yes I'm counting this Dr. Who season as an American product because Disney is corrupting it. But I honestly hate that we went from an age where you grew up hearing treat everyone the same. Color does not matter just be respectful of everyone. Or that you can break the standards of your gender without having to be treated differently for it. We quite literally went from "accept everyone" to "treat these groups as victims and this group as villains" We quite literally have gone backwards so far that we are basically inverting the societal situation we had in the bad times.
I think RTD just lost his talent. Or been drinking the progressive koolaid for too long. I remember when Utopia had that scene with Jack and the Doctor where the Doctor is called prejudiced by Jack (somewhat jokingly) because being a fixed point makes it hard for the Doctor to be with him. The Doctor coyly admits that he never thought about it that way and is less of a dick to Jack from then on. It was small, simple and more nuanced than "you hate me cause I'm black/gay/whatever hot topic modern-day victimhood". Compared to modern RTD where it's all "you suck because you are a man/black", as subtle as a sledgehammer to the face.
I think you are giving Gatwa too much credit. They aren't forcing "everything about his race" on him, he ASKED and WANTED that to be a major aspect of "Disney's Doctor Who". He's not a passive observer in the creation process, he's been an active participant.
"....You could make a case that the world has already ended. Art is dead. We're exhausted. Instead of art we have pop culture. Daytime TV .. Women who were r by their dentists confiding in Oprah. An exploration in depth to why women cut off their husband's [junk.]" Jack Nicholson / Wolf / 1994 Although used to make a bunch of elite snobs uncomfortable in a movie, I sometime feel this quote becoming all too true.
In the 1990s when the show was seemingly gone, just in books and audios, the BBC Doctor Who novels had a story arc about some badguys called "Faction Paradox". After a dispute with the BBC, the creator took his ball and made his own better stories with blackjack and you get the point. "Faction Paradox" became its own Doctorless spinoff; with walking-talking Timeships and the Time Lords getting made into something terrifyingly more powerful. the key introductory book was a story written in the form of an encyclopedia and included bits like these: "Predictably, as communications and technology improved the rate of development increased: progress is usually exponential in hominid cultures. The period between 1700 and 1800 AD saw a greater level of innovation than any other age in history, the period between 1800 and 1900 saw the speed of progress increase once again, and the period between 1900 and 2000 was faster still. It soon became obvious that if the rate of change continued to increase, then logically, the human species had to reach a point of catastrophe - not necessarily a negative one - where it would simply no longer be able to function at an animal level. By the end of the twentieth century there was sufficient technology on the planet to begin shifting human consciousness into alternative forms; hundreds of millions of humans were already spreading themselves, or at least their information-selves, across the globe on a daily basis; scientific research was mere months away from developing a method of biologically "mainlining" data; and to any anthropologist it would have seemed that humanity was about to reach its crisis point and fulfil its genetic programming, abandoning the biological model forever. And then, suddenly, everything stopped. By the early-to-mid twenty-first century, intelligence-form technology was certainly in existence. All humanity needed was the will. But somehow, after millions of years of effort, the will had unexpectedly vanished. On the brink of finding its own personal kind of enlightenment, it was as if the human species had backed down and decided to enter a period of stagnation instead." ... classic Doctor Who writers saw this horror coming before it happened. And now, we're lost. Notice Musk is still struggling to get to the moon even though we did it in the 1960s? Notice we produce more but there's still world hunger? Notice how Doctor Who has 60 years to draw on and instead they're producing garbage?
Doctor WHO is the one TV show where the actor whom plays the lead can just have fun! There have been many Fear based monsters so they could have made a Hate monster or Pettiness monster!
Maybe it was a coincidence since it's on sale now and I've seen a few "essay" channels in recent videos that have used the same video game gameplay as background but whether it was done purposely or not it's very appropriate to have Bioshock Infinite gameplay in the background when talking about racism. It was just a nice detail that I don't know if it was done intentionally but still pretty cool.
And that wasn't even the 60s episode we've seen clips of so there might be yet again another episode focused on racism, and it's just becoming a broken record. But I was skeptical of Davies return from the start thanks to the articles surrounding him and his quotes. This run started out okay but with a bit of red flags. Now I'm out again, not going to bother watching from here on out. They lost me again after previous of more singing. Doctor Who is not a damn musical, and I like musicals, but it's not a damn musical.
i genuinely think the doctor would HELP THEM ANYWAYS, he's done it before, trying to protect hateful/terrible people because that's part of the doctor. it's because he cares, he'll let some die on his watch when he's done all he could to try and keep them alive. so far in the new season, there there's been maybe 1 scene where Ncuti actually feels like the doctor and that was in boom... Russel needs to stop pushing whatever message at this point and just write entertaining television, and if he can't then bring in some new blood, someone completely new with foreknowledge of the show and is eager to write something actually entertaining.
💯That's what I remember of him. Maybe there was ONE instance where he told Rose (or whatever companion he might have been with at that time) that they shouldn't interfere. However, when they DO interfere he is ALL in!
alteori, I love your videos, I've been watching them for a while. I hope you continue making these videos and have fun doing so!:D have an AMAZING DAY/NIGHT
Also Italians and Skandinaviens are both considered “white” but they don’t have the same skin color do they? Why do all the white people look exactly the same Russel!?
In reference to what you're saying at the start at the cashier job, it's apparent that when someone does that, casts a form of "other" on to you or anyone else for any reason they feel justified with, it's a type of stereotype that allows that person to feel special in some way towards the "other" they are projecting towards you. Whether that "special" is "I struggled more (even though I literally know nothing about your struggles and for whatever reason, I see it as a race to see who can make the greater claim as a way of titling genuineness to our claim to MY tribe...)," or as anything else including the standard race lines most people associate this with, it's always with a purpose of legitimizing their own specialness towards the idea of a more negative "other". I can see where this is handy in a situation where we all live in tribal huts and kill each other over food and land like we did tens of thousands of years ago, but for it to still be a standard of expectations today is a horrible hindrance to our ability to stop being assholes to each other for stupid reasons. Yet for whatever reason, its still a badge of honor everywhere you look. Sheesh. Edit: you are awesome! Don't you ever forget that!
I'm sorry, but every time I hear his name, I hear it as "Shitty Gacua". Also, I think that he's all in on RTD's writing instead of doing a more classically played Dr. Who ep.
I didn't really think about it until you said it but, yeah. Apart from John Redcorn (an animated character) from King of the Hill, I really can't think of that many movies I've seen where Native American actors were just allowed to play an average person. It's really creepy. And it's equally creepy what gets done to black actors. They're either given race-swapped characters or the stereotypical role where they are constantly being kept down because of their race. Edit: "I don't know what it is." I do. It's propaganda. RTD all but said it when he said, "Do you not notice everyone is white? If you don't? Why not?" He's admitting he and other people in entertainment have been *actively* trying to propagandize us. Why would he expect us to notice how everyone was white unless he and others have been trying to make us constantly notice race?
"It wasnt intended to be a race thing"
Um....literally all hollywood talks about for years now has been race and sex.
Its why art has become so bland. Because these people lost the art of subtlety.
They don't' see the irony in saying that when they literally have an episode/arcs about race. It's only okay when they talk about race, not us. They're better than us and were sent to help us be better.
I always think Star Trek is the best barometer from this.
TNG: Let's setup an allegory and then look at all sides of the issue even if we strongly come down on one
NuTrek: ICE BAD ICE BAD POLICE BAD (move on without actually saying anything)
"Subtlety and Naunce, the Beauties of concept and thought... how they inspire us. Unfortunately, dull minds of the ignorant cast it aside for their blind devotions." The hooded figure sighs. "How I miss double talks, the secrecy of traitorous, and the irony of life."
@@uzunaruMelonness What is that from? That's a great quote.
@@BlazingOwnager "Well, thank you." The figure bows. "Being a literary character such as I, tend to improvise our own. How I miss the Shakespearean dialect. The talks of devils, Nyarlathotep, or simply those who dabble in the shades of grey... brings such joy." Set removes his hood. "Feel free to spread such a quote at your leisure. After all, it's free."
In my country, this issue is literally tearing it apart. “Black = good, White = bad”. Which leads to a whole load of unqualified black people in government positions and various other positions. Now our infrastructure is falling apart, we have frequent power outages, we sometimes don’t get water for weeks. People are suffering much more now than they ever did in Apartheid. And there is a crazy new movement growing (EFF) which seeks to commit genocide on all the “whites” in the country.
Holy crap! 😳
South Africa?
As to be expected, people from Third World countries are for the most part mindless savages little better than medieval tyrants
That is to be expected third world countries for the most part are filled with mindless savages UA-cam stop deleting my comments, freedom of speech
That is to be expected Third World countries are filled mostly with mindless savages
Not joking, recently in England the national trust; the agency which manages environmental issues such as preserving plants and forests, actually issued a report calling the country side of the UK racist because it has so many white people!
That report saw a lot of push back, but not from the likes of Davies.
So yes, according to Russel T Davies, any place which just has white people in it is racist!
Then again, this is the same man who thinks using a wheel chair makes a person evil, and that only "queer", people can express lightness and joy.
I wonder who is guilty of the stereotyped views here!
That's it, as someone form eastern Europe, I always knew I was racist for not being former colonial empire and not bringing any black people here.
Almost as if people who immigrate to this country or are descendants of immigrants move to and stay in the big towns and cities... but that's preposterous! Everyone knows that every race is evenly distributed all over the world.
In all seriousness, I swear people forget that the native population of the European Countries are white
@@cola98765 that cos we where conquered alot, we payed our blood tax
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What exactly do they expect people to do? By that logic they shouldn’t live in that area because they might get attacked yet they’re still encouraging it. Absolutely no thinking.
Modern media: Black people are the only people who experienced racism.
Irish, Indian & Chinese: am I a joke to you?
It's funny how they made the Doctor black when they could have made him Indian. Black is the go-to race to portray racism, and I'm sick of it.
They think Asian people are whit Europeans and thus part of the white person problem.
No seriously they have gotten that bad.
And Native Americans as well, can't forget them.
But the most prevalent idea is that only white people can be racist, and this is even more stupid and hateful.
Cant forget the Japanese, Italians and South Americans if we are speaking of just the US. But outside of it? I think a lot of ethnic groups have some kinda story to tell. Cant forget that a certain moustached man wanted to kill all slavs. Or how the Koreans were treated by their neighbours. And a lot of examples that i dont even know about. If anybody wants to make a movie about racism maybe they could make one about the examples i dont know about because then they could share parts of human history that many people might not even know about
Imagine watching a K drama and complaining there's too many Koreans in it
RTD is so full of himself aye aye aye
Aye aye aye aye *pillerman theme plays
Well it's not like indian, black and brown people have been in england the last 500 years or anything... Everyone knows the UK never did slavery or have a well known history of it
I have always hated this recent idea of "Not seeing colour is racist!" I grew up in the 90's/early 00's and we didn't see a person as their skin colour or sexuality ( Mostly on the second one to a degree.) we just got on with people because of who they are. That's how I live now, and I have been called out multiple times by people for "Why don't you care about this person is colour/sexuality/gender indentity?!" and they hate when I answer "Well I care WHO they are, not WHAT they are." It's such a dumb world we live in now.
Rascism is only possible because of judging people by physical appearances. The END of racism will only come when NO ONE notices skin color, and just see other humans.
Of course, we'll still have misanthropy... but at least then, the misanthropist is hating everybody equally! ;D
Yeah the notion "not seeing colour is racist" is very stupid and i feel like the people who say that want you to see colour and be like "see? White people racist". It goes against their narrative that there are white people who dont give a fuck if youre the colour of terracotta or likestone. I do not see a reason to care about anybodys ethnicity or sexual orientation. This isnt the same as to not acknowledge it. If your friend is gay it doesnt change anything about who he is and that hes your friend. You can acknowledge he is gay, and you can give him assurance that he could show up with his boyfriend and you wouldnt judge him. A friend can share that shes mixed latina and asian and you can say "wow thats cool." "You have an interesting background" but also doesnt change that she is a good person you like. Maybe if you say "i dont see colour/gender/sexuality" some people view that as if you were dismissing them but honestly its not that. I will call my trans friend by what they prefer but idc if theyre trans if theyre nice people
That is literally the cornerstone of CRT. It's unfortunate that the detractors of CRT are often quite ignorant and don't really know how to articulate the argument, so they look very poor in media (or are legitimately doing it for the wrong reasons). But this stuff is *deeply* ingrained into this ideology. The moment I really turned against it was when segregation got put back on the CA ballot as a *progressive* measure. That is not progress.
That is a major cornerstone of CRT. It's unfortunate that the detractors of CRT are often don't really know how to articulate the argument, so they look very poor in media (or are legitimately doing it for the wrong reasons). But this stuff is deeply ingrained into this ideology. The moment I really turned against it was when segregation got put back on the CA ballot as a progressive measure. That is not progress.
That is literally the cornerstone of CRT. It's unfortunate that the detractors of CRT don't really know how to articulate the argument, so they look very poor in media (or are legitimately doing it for the wrong reasons). But this stuff is deeply ingrained into this ideology.
As you mentioned, tribalism will always be a part of the human condition. In the past we tried to reduce racism by understanding it was bad for society. This people have gone full circle to being racist but justifying their racism as good because they are using their racism towards certain people as means to end racism towards others. And just creating more racism overall.
Oh look, treating the disease with a dose of the disease, brilliant.
as one of the leaders of the current "anti-racism" crowd said a few years ago: "the only answer to past racism is present racism, the only answer to present racism is future racism" This is the same group that RTD and many people in leadership roles in entertainment and many politicians (mainly democrats and Labour) ascribe to
As long as some people are allowed to be proud of who they are while other people are not, the cycle will continue.
I mean that was pretty much the mindset behind the mid-century Germans and look how that turned out: as long as X race exists, they will always subject Y race to their oppression.
Didn't certain mustachioed despots justify their actions like this?
The show is now not written for humans ... it's written for activism.
I’m tired of Hollywood doing this crap
Same, it’s almost impossible to get attached to any new good shows because I always have to worry some idiot will worm their way into the franchise and ruin it. Like I’m still shocked how good CSI: Vegas was, I truly expected it to be as bad as criminal minds is now.
EXCELLENT WORK. AITEORI HOLLYWOOD STUDIOS ABOUT RACIST,
It's the BBC not Hollywood, but at this point there isn't much difference...it's the same progressive brain rot taking over both.
@@questworldiangreenknight7455 still pissed that they canceled that show. I am terrified the only thing left will be shows that have you know, the Message.
@@BrandonScott-mi5pz just for clarification, this is a BBC studio. It's just partnered with Disney plus as well.
They could learn a thing or two from Deep Space 9 and their portrayal of the series first black captain; he was never "The Black Captain", he was just "The Captain" and happened to be darker than most of the rest of the cast.
Sisko also had the most based take about not liking the Holodeck to pretend the past was roses. Definitely my favorite Captain.
Just adding that I think Kira is my ideal template of how to write a strong totally badass female character. It's sad we're doing worse than the 90s.
And they did tackle racism in a couple of episodes, but they were quite far down the line, iirc, and it wasn't constantly.
Ironically Disparu mentioned the same thing about seeing it through a different lens, that being English, and not realizing because to him nothing seemed off with being white
I noticed the pastels. I mean...the colors, color grading were these soft pastels that.... Well, very few can pull it off, but it also felt like this is some twisted image of "the white community". I then noticed that not one man was masculine. And finally, they choose to pile up ever 'blond' stereotype into one irritating package.
In a way, it was horrifying.
Which really, the slugs were supposed to be horrifying ones, right?
@vilena5308 But what makes it worse is they were obviously alien with black blood and odd eyes, not humans. So, how could we assume their history of interaction with other species had been perfect. Perhaps they had had run ins with aliens before that hadn't gone well and the Dr and Ruby were aliens to them. Maybe it was nothing to do with colour. Just experience.
As a black dude, I've always looked up to Malcolm X. His most iconic line that still sticks with me to this day is, "Beware of the White liberal." Basically, racism comes in many forms. Liberal racism is easy to spot. Usually, they hide behind the minority and use them as a mouthpiece to further their agenda.
The writer(s) of the doctor who series is a prime example.
He wasn't wrong. Talk to one and they have the most racist beliefs I've ever heard about us. We're too dumb to know how to use a computer, or get a state ID card or a driver's license. Wtf?
Malcolm X is more relevant than ever today.
The more I look back, the more I wish Malcom was the big hero. He wanted to just separate, and I genuinely think that would have been healthier, looking at the state of things.
@@great-wyrmII iirc, Malcom wanted to leave white America to let blacks rule themselves. I do think that was his opinion after the CR, though could be wrong either way
@@great-wyrmII Yes, and the sad fact is that modern progressives are fighting for it now.
People forget that Europeans are more racist to other Europeans that they our to other racist. The Irish, Welsh, and Scottish people would be more racist to an English that someone from Africa & an English would be more racist to the France. The Irish word francach means both Rat and French.
people like to act like every single white skinned person is the same. its racist
I dunno the Irish catholic in me thinks the English are pretty rotten 8) “my freedom!”
In the early 2000's and late 90's most people were cool with each other in the states. If there was any type of prejudice being portrayed it was from one or two individuals vs 50 individuals of every ethnicity to band together and defend the person who received the prejudice behavior. *Sigh* I miss those days.
I swear, we're in a sort of cycle, where one side is oppressed, then they have a revolution of some sort, then after a few decades, everyone's chill, but then the race who were the former oppressors become the oppressed, then they have a revolution of some kind, and the cycle continues.
Either that or it'll end with blood. I hope as a species, we can catch this sooner rather than later and just stay chill
It's all about politics. The left try to split people apart by race, sex, and sexuality them unite them against a common perceived enemy with pandering and false promises. Sooner or later the scheme has to fall apart, either when people realize they're being duped and will never get what's been promised, or when the various united factions start infighting over their fundamentally opposing views and goals.
@@That_Random_British_Dude no lies told
@@That_Random_British_Dudeit’s not a cycle of oppression. It’s a lie about oppression being the source of inequality. People were told we’re only unequal because of oppression, but we can fix that. they were told that lie for 60 years while the inequalities remained stubbornly unfixed, no matter how many policies were passed into law to create more equality. Now the bill is coming due. The people who thought equality could be created by their policies are blaming everyone else for the failures of those policies, and the rest of us are fed up with taking the blame for other people’s failures. Things are just going to get increasingly unstable until we suck it up and start having mature, realistic conversations about what actually causes inequality in all human societies and what can be done to make life better for everyone.
The demand for racism is far higher than the supply.
Don't look at me, I gave up all mine when I started watching Doctor Who in 1979 with a rerun of Sarah Jane Smith getting harassed by potato-headed aliens in an English castle in the early years of the Middle Ages.
Where all these new series fans got theirs from... I dunno, maybe it was a free gift with their BBC licence fee or Disney+ subscription.
Well, there's plenty in China... but the left ironically need the China bucks, otherwise they can't afford their own BS.
Soooo true!
*Goes to Mars
"OMG everybody is martian? Sooo very racist"🤣
I just realized that Godzilla Minus One has NO DANISH PEOPLE IN IT.
I am so deeply closeted racist against Danes (apparently) that I did not notice.
I'll go cancel myself now.
You're right! And there were no Mexicans either! It's SUPER-racist! And we were all ULTRA-racist for not realizing it! *GASP!* There were no Native Americans or Uyghurs either! SO MUCH RACISSSSSSISMS!!! *cuts self in despair*
Now if it was in Denmark that might matter.
My problem is that Davies seems to think he has the right to make people his lab rats. It's dehumanizing. This episode is a weird test and people are supposed to feel bad if they didn't pass it. It proves Davies' arrogance, his elitist attitude and his disdain for people that think differently than him.
People like him truly believe they're better than you. They think that they can do whatever they feel is right because they're special, and you don't really matter. It's the same screwed up mindset that led so many people to support eugenics back in the early 20th century.
When I was a teenager in the 90's race relations were headed in the right direction. I used to think that by the time I had kids, which would be current day, animosity between races would be mostly gone. Instead, for the last 10-15 years its only gotten worse.
You know, I remember when I first started watching this series, staring at the very beginning with Rose and the 7th doctor I believe. Looking back, I remember Roses then boyfriend at the time was black, and when I first saw that, I thought nothing of it. He seemed like a normal guy caught in something way bigger than him or anyone.
* 9th Doctor
@@indiajohnson Ah, right. Yeah, I don't know why I got that wrong.
I grew up watching shows like the magic school bus where it had a diverse ser of characters and no one really cared or noticed.
I hate how everything is racism these days and it's perpetuated by crap like this episode.
@@wayward11 Look, the Ninth Doctor is the 10th, the 9th Doctor is only eventually recognised as a Doctor and doesn't even get a number, the Tenth Doctor is actually the 11th, 12th and 16th, the Eleventh is 13th, the 14th is the first of a new cycle but supposedly the Twelfth Doctor, the 15th supposedly the Thirteenth is told apparently she's the INFINITIETH Doctor and the First Doctor IS NOT THE 1ST and the 17th Doctor who's named either the Fifteenth or WHO KNOWS BECAUSE APPARENTLY THIS IS NOW THE THIRD SEASON 1 AGAIN
and we used to think it was bad because we didn't know if the Tom Baker UNIT stories were set in the 1970s or 1980s
You don't know why you got that wrong? Jesusweepingblood I don't know how ANYBODY HAS A HOPE OF TRACKING ANY OF THIS RIDICULOUS MESS.
Or for that matter, why they'd bother any more when it's so horrifyingly bad and nonsensical now.
Same
It doesn’t look anything like Doctor Who anymore either. The effects, the vibe, the writing, I honestly could never tell this was Doctor Who until I saw that blue police box. I know this is weird but I actually preferred when the effects looked kinda fake, honestly I think it’s because I’ve only seen the advanced effects in the badly written episodes 😂.
This. The effects were fake. The message was real.
@@joshuacr well said. It really proved you don’t need realistic effects to get people invested in a good story. The Tennant Era was especially good at this, especially in the very first Ood Episode with The Devil!
I started watching during the Pertwee/Baker era so for me part of what I loved on Dr Who was the low budget effects. When new Who started up, I just couldn't get into it because it was too polished for lack of better words.
Same as in the oldest episodes, where foam "rocks" merrily bounced around, alien worms were made with green painted bubble wrap and the green screen had clear chromakey problems.
The effects were often lacking but the stories and characters were so fun and interesting. Most really made you think about moral issues without slapping you in the face with them.
The daleks are one of the best examples.
They had grander plans for them, but construction was so expensive/hard they had to settle for everyone's favourite malicious pepper pots.
Villains that would normally be very silly, except for some great writing and voices making them absolutely terrifying.
@@MSinistrari I would argue the problem is that it DIDN'T HAVE BETTER WORDS. It has all that polish, but no decent substance.
I will quote a reviewer I enjoyed watching.
"It's not progression if you're progressing to where the rest of us already are."
So many of the "progressives" seem to seek old issues to resurect in order to overcome them... again.
I thought it was like they all looked alike because they are all trapped in the same shallow media bubble and had no other things to form their personalies.
And that's why they resembled Barbie like beings.
I would assume that there were also dark skinned communities exactly like this because, surprise, social media bubbles tend to filter you to hang around in spaces try to pairyou with people that look and think like you.
That would make sense, but I think a darker skinned community bubble would somehow be good and non prejudiced
This is why people who didn't even know the lore of Dr. Who objected to changing his sex and race. We knew this is why these changes were made.
We already know Russell T Davies is unable to see past immutable characteristics to view people as full individual human beings as he told us already that seeing a villain in something that looks like a wheelchair makes him think all disabled people are evil.
Look at how he treated Mickey "The Idiot" Smith. He has said Mickey deserved to have his girlfriend stolen. 👀
I feel like Stargate SG-1 did what they were going for here way, way better. They were helping this one alien faction, who kept treating Teal'c very badly and not wanting him around. Everyone assumed it was because he wasn't human, so they let it slide. Then slowly they realized that wasn't it at all, and the whole war they were fighting was over race. It was done in a really subtle way so when you realized what was happening, it recontextualized everything you saw before. I also loved the fact Teal'c was probably the least offended person by the revelation, since he didn't even really understand the context. I guess that's in the 90s, when sci-fi was good.
Wasn't that the episode where, after finding that out, they just dialed the gate back home and left them to die? That was such a cathartic moment. If I remember correctly, I'm pretty sure that SG-1 also left without even saying a word.
An interesting thing to note is how, whilst SG-1 abandoning the racist planet is something we can all agree was a good move, or at least an acceptable one, the sheer concept of the _Doctor_ doing the same thing is something that _must_ be criticised, and I know why. As a group of humans who're from a planet that has already experienced attempts at eugenics, SG-1 is _allowed_ to let their disgust and emotions inform their actions. The Doctor, on the other hand, is an alien from a planet that doesn't _care_ about race or gender, and he's also dedicated himself to doing everything he can to protect people, no matter who they are; it has already been explored in _great_ detail that the Doctor is willing to help _anyone_ in need, regardless of who they are or what they've done, so the fact that Fifteen _didn't_ try to say anything beyond "bUt yOu'Ll DiE" is so out-of-character that it should've never even been _considered_ as a possible ending.
@@Jackson-ub1uv Before they left, to even the score on the damage they inflicted earlier piloting drones, they flew them again and turned them on the creators, then left them as the whole place was getting carpet bombed. Going the extra mile I think was warranted because SG-1 unknowingly fueled and operated them against their enemies earlier.
@@BlazingOwnager Oh yeah. I forgot that'd happened (obviously).
when Jack Harkness was introduced into Doctor Who (and then further Torchwood), his sexuality wasn't hidden at all, but you know why no one cared? because it wasn't the only part of his character, it was just a small part of who he was, and he was a pretty great character overall. if Jack was introduced today, he'd be oppressed for being bisexual, because that's the only way they know how to create characters nowadays
Alterori you mentioned white people being a majority in places like Sweden and Denmark, we're a majority in the UK, we're around 80% of the population (as in native born British), but you wouldn't know that watching our media.
Working class Brits have basically no representation in media and we're becoming tired of it, things are going to change soon
And when working class brits do appear in movies and TV, typically we're treated as some kind of joke
Not to mention, the US is majority white too as well..
Someone told me a story, that a kid saw a black person on the street in the UK and said: "Look dad, its one of the people from commercials"
Insinuating that White people have little representation in their own media.
This not only degrades black people but it is ultimately so racist.
@@sev1120 Edmund Blackadder was not a joke. Except maybe the first in his line. But it's not his fault he was only smart person in the room
I mean the UK, or specially Britain is basically just London to the rest of the world, and would you guess teh one place white people arent the majority
I live on an island with 9000 people... There's only 1 black person here cause he married a woman here... and there was a black woman, she was adopted, but she married to someone not living here... And I can't think of any asians of the top of my head...
Because it's "only" 9000 people, everyone knows everyone... and I wonder if RTD would think we're racist if he spent a summer here...
cause we're a vacation spot... people come here during the summer from all races, and we don't tell them to leave the island...
Now, are there racists on the island... sure... if you look i'm sure you could find them... but it's silly to focus on those few people...
It's not just about an emphasis on race with Russel T Davis, the villain character Davros who is primarily shown being in a wheel chair was made body able to in Russel's word "not associate evil with disabled people" and is one of the reasons they made a good guy disabled person later on. These people view everything from a lens of victim culture and race before anything else and look at everyone normal as if they're the problem.
For 90% of Doctor Who's run, the alien and future human populations have mostly been white people who, strangely enough, speak with a distinctively English accent. 😂
And were automatically Christian, white, heterosexual and are male or female.
@@randallbesch2424 Well, I already said they were mostly white, so that part was redundant. Heterosexual? Most likely, by default. Christian? Not really. You pulled that one out of your back door ;)
As a British tv series filmed in Britain while talking about British values and problems - i think it is only natural.
@@staszaxarov4930 Indeed. I don’t think that I articulated my point clearly. The “aliens” and future humans on the show have mostly been white people throughout the show’s run, so I don’t see why the writers of this episode would expect the audience to find anything odd about the future folks being all white.
Doctor who had no reason to make an episode with this plot, not only was this plot handled worse than a gas station robbery at 6pm but trying to put racism in the last 5 minutes of the episode just came out of nowhere and was very off-putting.
The basic idea has the grounds for some good sci-fi. But then it's handled as poorly as it possibly could be. The 'twist' at the end should be material that essentially is it's own episode. What happens when the doctor is faced with a group of people that refuse his help? Moreover what lengths will he got to to try and save them even though they spurn him. You could make them 'bad' people or not, depending on how you want to take the idea, but here this is handled with all the subtlety and grace of a quadriplegic cow.
@@chucklebouf5379 Don't forget that all their disbelief could've been handled by him simply opening the door for them to look inside.
I mean, they're also doing it based on what racist human interactions seem to be. Or did they conveniently forget the Doctor is an alien? As are these guys? What about that type of an interaction? Despite both looking exactly like humans, they can pick up on each other being aliens, but that requires being alien, I suppose. ....
Its also comes out of nowhere when you consider the doctor was chilling with all these other racists in the basement for the entire time and not once did he pick up on the fact they were racist. Like make your plot make sense Russel
@@RoseBaggins
> Or did they conveniently forget the Doctor is an alien?
ALL
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Fun story: in the novels between the classic and modern series, they explored some of Gallifrey's history. The Gallifreyans were rendered sterile, no children. Reproduced a completely different way.
But people have been talking about how the Doctor crying is a normal healthy (human) method of expression, finally undoing all that War trauma...
... which is just headcanon, rather than being really in the story; because otherwise you'd have to explain why in the classic series with no War, the Doctor cried about... ONCE.
I suddenly find myself wondering why the people screaming "Where are the black people in Shogun" aren't asking "Where are the black people in fine town"? Why is it a problem that a show featuring Japanese history at a point with limited outside contact having no black people is a problem but a show featuring an alien colony of all white aliens is fine with them?
I was baffled by that like really???? I was watching an ancient fantasy Chinese drama. Someone said it was racist because it's not diverse (I hope they were trolling), but good thing I didn't need to say anything as others did the work for me.
@@key-s6507 Sadly I think they were serious.
funny how the older dr whoville was more diverce
I remember when I was watching Ace as a female companion back in ye old days. I wasn't thinking. "Oh wow! Look, *another* female companion! Let's talk about how she'll be oppressed as a woman!" No, I was just thinking she was really cool.
Dr whoville lol 😂
@@joshuacrThe Doctor’s first companion was his granddaughter. They keep forgetting that.
@@nvfury13 well technically he had two and called her his granddaughter but she wasn't. People also forget that. Ironically because of The actor's health, we have the regeneration bit as well.
@@joshuacr No, she was his granddaughter, child of his child from Gallifrey.
Nah they completely meant for it to be a race thing, other wise they all wouldn't had look like a planet of the Aryans. The fact that the doctor has repeatidly over the decades ran into different species that always treat humans or human looking beings like crap, but this time they had to make him react like it never happens and it only happened to THIS doctor and this doctor only.
They even did a terrible job with *that* if you pay attention to the pictures flowing by in the bubble, it’s like they forgot to give the person in charge of that effect and the one in charge of getting non-speaking extras that everybody was supposed to be white there.
Yeah I heard what the showrunner said. You're right Alteori. Also possibly one of the first commenters but not intended.
Looking at Star Trek my fav Captain of all time is Captain Benjamin Sisko, played by the one and only Avery Brooks. The problem is there is no way they could write the Character properly now. Just sad that both Trek, Star Wars and Doctor Who have fallen so far. Great video as usual.
Well first off you would actually need writers with, I don't know: the ability to write. That has long been gone to make a checklist of other diversity requirements (except experience.) But I digress....
Sisko is f-ing awesome.
Sisko 1st, Janeway 2nd
he’s actually my third favourite captain, Im not the biggest “trek” fan, But my favourite captain’s in order, Archer, Janeway and Sisko. Janeway played a female role and I dont think I heard her character mention it once out of school. She also drove her fucking ship Halo style into an enemy ship. I mean idc where you from thats pretty damn hardcore
What's interesting is contrasting how DS9 handled it and where we are now. Sisko got grumpy because the holoprogram was "inaccurately" representing the past and Yates asked him why he'd want to continue to perpetuate it. Would he rather enjoy participating in it as an equal or avoid it because things were different in the past? Yates won and Sisko showed up.
You're correct. I shudder to think how that would have been written today.
Yep. It's DEI - and one thing I keep thinking every time I see a company or product that is DEI oriented, I think to myself "Now I'd HATE to be one of these marginalized races trying to work at this company because now everyone who works here will think I'm a diversity hire instead of being hired for my merit. In fact, there's no way I can ever know for sure that I wasn't!" and it would drive me insane.
What I don't get is the way modern activists and people who are striving to be activists don't seem to understand that to create an inclusive society one would need to encourage a mindset of not focusing on these unimportant characteristics about an individual.
In that vein they are doing the absolute opposite of that by actually highlighting and focusing on these things and sometimes being extremely obnoxious about it.
I have a friend who absolutely wishes that they would stop featuring non-heterosexual attraction in such inorganic ways because it's actually creating resentment towards people like himself where he lives.
Societies were actually on the way to general acceptance but now everybody is just getting turned off or pissed off because everything now is about labels and identity.
@@paulanderson2963 It's short-term thinking. Creating an actual inclusive harmonious society would be difficult, complicated, and take a long period of hard work and dedication. On the other hand, using race, sex, gender and sexual orientation as a wedge can get activists immediate gains both financially and politically. Some folks are just too ignorant to understand that it's going against their longer-term goals, others just don't care because it was always about grifting a quick gain for them.
@@SunwardRanger83
Perfectly stated.
Short-term gratification long-term suffering.
@@SunwardRanger83 Honestly I do generally believe the higher ups of these activist groups are in it for the money and political power, notice how many them end up in powerful positions or quite wealthy? It never was about fighting for the cause, but to gain power. Look at b l m for example, the leadership got rich and brough house.
As for the lower ranks well just useful tools who are indoctrinated.
The focus on race, like in this episode, has reached the level of fetish.
No it isn't. U are just mad cause u got called out on your racism
Exactly, this American concept of "White" doesn't even make sense for Europe, since there are mainly 2 large groups being the Germanics / Anglo-Saxons, and Greek-Romans / Mediterraneans, specifically and especially such as Spain Italy and Greece
Also on the other note, besides discrimination against Indigenous and Latino Americans; another clear examples is, Anti Asian racismo, in the past century, which broadly it's openly not even acknowledged, and in the few cases when it is, barely anything has ever been done about it.
And now what's even more egregious the most disgusting part is that a group a portion of these "progressives" and so on, have gone as far as openly being even more racist again, going as far as practically openly condoning and promoting it, calling labeling Asians as "White adjacent" in their racist ideological views, as being "privileged"
Pretty obvious but still to be said. All only because Asians by family influence and culture tends to put high importance in respectability and civility, and consequently tend to do better financially and chooses not to commit crimes (or at least not violent crimes)
Without taking a single moment to consider a nanosecond to take into account the cost, how much time and effort, and sacrifices the same Asians have to make; it's through 12-16 Hours work days 6 days a week for a whole decade, with no time for much else at all, to get to that point of achieving what they've earned through such discipline and work.
Of course those regressive ideologues don't like to think or talk about any of that. Seriously it's truly beyond disgusting all of it.
THANK YOU! I'm sick of this, too. Why are USAmericans and recently people from the UK, too, so obsessed with race (it's not really even about skin colour because plenty of "poc" have a similar skin tone to Europeans)? Which is a completely made up concept, there is only one human race. Literally the kind of bs na zis believed in.
I'm from Finland, and yeah, people in my country on average have a pretty light skin tone. We didn't have many immigrants from countries other than our immediate neighbours until like twenty years ago (contrary to what people may think, we were pretty poor until fairly recently, so it's not like people wanted to come and not like we could offer much). I grew up being told that it's rude to refer to a person with a colour like black/brown/white/etc (so I still really dislike being called white, even though these terms are now used even by our media because of influence from the English language) and to not focus on people's looks above their character.
I find it crazy that there is so much focus on grouping people into ridiculous, meaningless boxes based on their skin colour or made up race. As if all black people are the same. As if all white people are the same. All brown people are the same. That's just insulting. It erases cultures and ignores history. Not all people who sort of look the same think the same. Not all of them have the same history. Not all of them even want to be lumped into the same box.
Considering how much these people supposedly care about opression, it's pretty funny that they happily group together opressors and the oppressed because they happen to look kinda same.
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I didn't realise this is what they were going for at the end of the episode until I went on Twitter and read what other people were saying about that ending scene. Just thought because he was an outsider, not from their culture/civilisation, they didn't want to go with him. And what you said in your other video, about him not fighting to save them despite their prejudice, is so true. Other Doctors would've fought harder to get them out of there. I don't want to view my entertainment through the lens these people are using to view the world, but I feel like it's inevitable. I just want to enjoy fun sci-fi stories. :/
Let's be real here, if it was about race black people would definitely be included. Some of the most racist people I've ever known have been black.
On the other hand, it’s another planet. How do we know there are any black people there at all?
@@luckybag6814because the creators are as creatively bankrupt as the video game industry investors.
You'll find a lot of the people behind stuff like this don't believe black people can actually be racist or that racism towards white people isn't even racist to begin with, typically blind to the irony of their claims.
Just like with black slavers, few would ever (intentionally) include a racist black person in modern shows; that's a whites-only thing in modern media.
SPOT ON!!!! Fantastic perspective!!! Bravo!
Only seen clips, not the episode itself, nor do I intend to.. But here's what I've reacted to (and I might be off bec of above reason) Noone seems to bat an eye, these people have supposedly never seen a colored person before, there's no pointing, no staring, screaming, being upset. Nothing.
2:05 I'm sorry Davis but I don't obsess over skin colour when I go into a WORK OF FICTION, so I didn't notice any racism up until that lukewarm jab at the end. Without the 'Voodoo' comment this episode could easily be about any dividing factor.
That voodoo comment doesn't even make sense because if the people aren't earthlings and the planet isn't Earth, why do they know what voodoo is or have black stereotypes that are identical to the ones on Earth at all? RTD basically gave up on this being a sci-fi story halfway into the script. 🤦🏽♀️
That's the thing.
TV/cinema is not putting minority character in equal roles. they always seem to need to fight against the majority ones.
The same thing happened in Star Trek Discovery where everyone had to jump around Burnham like if she was the only competent member of the crew.
That was ridiculous. I've seen a couple of seasons of Discovery, and most of the bridge crew is so underdeveloped that I don't remember their names. Like, come on, don't make Michael do everything. Give the other characters skills she doesn't have and opportunities to use them. And give them episodes to develop them and delve into their backstories. Otherwise, they're just African girl, cyborg lady, Asian guy, etc.
I started watching doctor who again starting with the 2005 reboot and the difference with how the show was back then and how it's now is night and day. I watched the whole first season and not once was I pulled out of the world of the show due to forced CURRENT_YEAR bullshit. There was stuff referencing events and politics of the era it aired, and the settings the episodes took place in, but it was integrated into the show itself in a way that didn't feel forced or out of place.
the ironic thing is there have been multiple story lines over the 60 years of Dr Who that have covered razizm, opression, xenophobia even classism the difference is they did it through the entire story they didn't just change the end on you the entire episode of dot and bubble told a story about classism isolationism and agism at no point did it touch on skin tone but you were the bad one for not noticing that it was the doctors skin the whole time and had nothing to do with his actions
While blurry images of others in the network flowed behind him, some with skin tones barely lighter than his. I honestly think the race thing was something the writer came up with at the last second, after production of the rest of the episode was already done, including the bubble effect extra head shots had been finalized.
@@nvfury13I am a 68 year old white woman who has been watching Dr Who forever.. I noticed very early on in this episode it was like “Hollywood Squares” only everyone is white! I turned off early in the episode because it was shallow boring tripe. I don’t like racist boring shows.. This is not the Doctor! I’m back to watching classic who.
Imo if they made an episode where humanity loses the ability to distinguish gender would be really good.
Imagine the sorts of problems that would occur?
Imagine you fall in love with a person, you date them and you feel like they're perfect, but then you learn they cannot have children because they're a man, or they learn you're a man and cannot have children, or visa versa (could be two women).
But they wouldn't write an episode like that because it destroys woke arguments based on sexuality and gender.
The human animal brain naturally sees difference subconsciously, but we as people can see beyond that
Dr Who is really just them in thier death throws. It's sad really, so much progress lost. As the majority rejects them "that" group was always expected to become increasingly radicalized. I have a feeling the whiplash may take them back to a pre 1950's standing very soon.
I superfixated on how the white man was killed off after outliving his usefulness and no guilt or remorse from that creature called the main character.
I'm stuck on that, too. The man was good and decent and lost his life protecting a despicable person and nobody gave a sht. So when that despicable person goes on to be obviously r/cist to what's his face, it's not some "she's so evil!!" moment. That guy dying was the climax. Watching what's his face trying so hard to save such detestable creatures became confusing. Why is he even trying? It makes him seem odd for being that invested. Why would it bother him to begin with? He's not really a black man, he's a Doctor.
None of this made sense.
@@sianais I wouldn't think it be out of character for the Doctor to try saving them, but definitely not begging them.
snake has finally eaten, too much of its own tail
Man, that’s a legit good quote
Remember Ricky was caring so obviously he got red shirted. Plus he was likable.
What I want to know is, _why_ didn't Fifteen pull out a "Zygon Inversion" speech to convince the people to go with him? Instead of trying to find something that works, Fifteen was just mashing the same square peg into the round hole.
Yeah, in hindsight after watching the episode sgain, this episode felt very 1984, NOT 2024, where it’s like the only thing you can contribute to any form of demographic is the stereotypes that go along with said demographics, where there’s never an out to progress; it’s always a state of regression to get some point across, that we all learned 30+ years ago!!!
You just blew my mind. I knew there was something off that was bugging me about the character. Your comment about him acting like a modern day black person was spot on. He is doctor who. He is over 2000 years old and most of that time he was a white dude. Yet he has experienced a lifetime of racism for being black. He is not acting like Doctor Who he is acting like himself and its jarring.
You know as a black dudeI find it strange that in a long-lasting IPs. Shows like Star wars and Doctor who instead of focusing on diversity on new alien species or new planets new sci-fi ideas to explore They instead went to the most generic thing ever.
Why can't They just have Doctor who be sci-fi Doctor who stuff and don't focus on racism on skin tone if they had no problem doing this before why is this a problem now. Do they really think we just get up everyday and look around and say "oh no a group of white men! Oh how terrible!"
No wonder why this joke of the show is dying.
Filmmakers from the earlier days of blacks in movies look at modern cinema like "Dude, that's a bit much, Chill out."
Ironically, this version of the doctor is only half of the doctor because he was split in half during the regeneration phase or something. I can’t ignore how that decision feels like a hand-me-down where we follow the black doctor while the other white doctor is just out of the picture.
If I had a nickel for every time the Tennant Doctor split into two during a regeneration, I’d have two nickels. Which isn’t a lot, but it’s weird it happened twice.
Also, it shows how even Russel T has so little faith in his own work that he created a backup Doctor to take over in case this one fails.
Sacha Dhawan, Master during Jodie's run. Indeed he is more Doctor than Ncuti is. Really prefer him more.
the problem is identity is the only trait for these people to write about for whatever reason
i have written characters who have been mentally physically and sexually abused and besides being f'd in the head from cranial trauma from nearly dying as a child nearly two decades ago i have never personally dealt with any of the subjects that i write about
BUT i take the time to write them to a "Passable degree" which in my world means if someone can poke a hole in it i f'd up somewhere hell it is the reason I RESEARCH EVERYTHING I WRITE ABOUT
from the psychological effects of sexual trauma to the mythos of wukong and journey to the west to the point where i've mentioned before on other videos that I COULD WRITE A COLLEGE PAPER ON EVERY DAMN SUBJECT I HAVE EVER DELVED INTO because i actually gave a damn to make decent stories and not token representation like a lot of media is sadly wholly focused on
it is a new form of blaxploitation. so you're quite right when you said it's not progressive, but regressive and degrading.
funny enough, there's some nunsploitation too for a bit, the latest example is the omen prequel. and it can be argued that any movie these days where great and benevolent women are being oppressed by the bad and evil men is a new form of women in prison genre.
what exploitation do you think it's going to be next? another nazisploitation, or brucesploitation? lol
Warrior Nun season two went hard with this sht. It actually had promise but it was not women empowerment enough, anti male enough, or gay enough because they added that in spades. Shipping characters with zero chemistry. Killing off male characters like red shirts. Going full "somewhere a MAN would never find it." It was so cringe.
@@sianais i forgot that series exist lol.
alteori should try reviewing it too :p
I thought the new "-sploitation" (feminismploitation?) was series like "The Handmaid's Tale". Not a judgement on quality btw, it just strikes me as hypocritical condemning media for showing violence against women, even if framed totally negatively, but praising what barely differs from torture porn (even adding grisly details not in the source material) because it validates some masochistic desire to see some crushing patriarchy in action.
@@kostantza1 that is another one yep. like combination of women in captivity, rape-revenge, and nunsploitation
1:56 What is this, him trying to create a "gotcha" moment in the show? Now I'll admit - I do not watch Doctor Who. Used to be interested, now...not so much. But I think I can still answer this question as I watch other TV shows and movies that do tend to have predominantly white people in it. And as a black person I....don't...care. I never really sat there and thought about it unless the medium in question is specifically trying to have race as part of its story. I don't care what color or race these people are. I care about what they're doing, what their personalities are, what their motives may be, what they have to do with the plot, etc. Their race means very little to me.
So to the question of "Why didn't you think about why there are more white people than other races" my answer is: Because it doesn't matter to me, and it shouldn't matter so much in the first place.
Edit: 12:30 *THIS*. Oh man I've been saying this ever since this sudden push for "diversity and inclusion" began. These showrunners and execs don't seem to understand all they're doing is painting targets on our backs, especially when their version of "diversity" is transforming a white character into a black one. I've always seen a little bit of resentment in comment sections towards my race due to stereotypes, but lately it's been so extremely bad that I fear actually revealing my race under certain videos (not that I do it willy nilly. I only do so when it's part of the topic at hand). This is only gonna get worse the more this stuff continues to happen.
At this point, I think the target painting is intentional. they've done this so much and so many of the people involved are some kind of activist. activism never wants to be out of a job, so I think they are using things like skin tone as a battering ram in order to look like the fight is never over. intentional pot stirring at peoples expense.
Well said. Loving your videos. I am really fed up of this season. I'm a caucasian Brit, but have brown eyes and dark brown hair. All I thought - well, everyone has very blue eyes. To be honest, I thought it was a colour-palatte thing. The kind of colouring portrayed in the episode looks more Scandinavian. Which is very insulting of RTD... to other caucasian nations. And where is this episode set anyway? Is it an earth colony? Who knows? BECAUSE RTD DOESN'T HAVE THE INTELLIGENCE TO WORLD BUILD. One episode at a time, RTD continues to insult our intelligence, seeking to divide. I've lived in Japan, by the way, for the last 30 years... This is regressive sci-fi. Every blinking episode.
Alteori is a Safa 🇿🇦.
I feel your pain girl. 😢
Edit: I'm assuming y'all. I don't know for sure.
You think she's South African?
I assumed somewhere in the Caribbean, but your insight probably has more value than mine.
Officially you do know where in Europe she's from right? Unofficially, If you're talking in spirit, I fully understand.
@@joshuacr No. Where?
*Clap-clap-clap* I agree with ALL your points, Alteori! It's all so tired and bland, greatly reminding me of Doublespeak from George Orwell's 1984--they SAY that they're for DEI, yet where is it? Why give the opposite take?! Ugh... 🤦🏻♀️
RTD: "We're NOT SAYING it's about race, BUT it's about RACE!"
Not even close to what he said.
But good job at projecting what u are doing where yall get called out for your racism then claim it isn't about him being black when it is
@@kuggacouragegx6093 how is it NOT what he basically said, don't you notice all the white folk?! If you don't, what's WRONG WITH YOU!? you white supremacist capitalist!
@Alteori can you do videos on Torchwood? Sort of the adult spinoff of DW. The first season was hit or miss, but I don't remember it being as badly received as DW is now.
This is the sad reality for people who have a limited and distorted perception of the world because they lack actual life experiences to see how flawed their perceptions really are. It's honestly sad how people like this are so ignorant that they make everything about people's physical characteristics or preferences in partners. Unfortunately, people like this are so dissociated with other people that they can't see how this is counterproductive to its intended goal. Also, trust me on Ghost In The Shell. If you already love anime, you are going to love that one.
✨ Alteori ✨ Have you ever seen "Being Human"? It has a Werewolf, Vampire, and Ghost as roommates. It was my favorite show at one time.
Pretty good
At 14:12 if you're not sure what to call this slop, its propaganda.
Throughout history every regime has co-opted art and entertainment to push their ideology or ambitions.
Its not about legacy or passion or fun. Its about the message.
Nelson mandela and Matin Luther King are rolling in their graves rn how has entertainment literally gone BACKWARDS 💀
i'm black and i didn't even notice it until i saw a review. after years of watching show my mind just didn't go there because the show never went there before. usually when they tackle racism it's not subtle but direct, like when the 12th doctor attacked sutcliffe for making racial comments about billie, or the rosa parks episode(which was kind of cringey). even ben 10 alien force handled topics like this better.
i don't know what rtd is doing now with these forced messages. it's not how he wrote the 9th and 10th doctor's stories. i remember martha was worried about being black when they went to new york and the doctor said something like "just walk around like you belong and you'll be fine". he made it seem like these issues that humans have with race and social issues are miniscule in the grand scheme of things in the universe.
but if they want to do a story about race, they should revisit journey to the center of the tardis, because that was the most racist episode of doctor who that i've ever seen, and the way black people were portrayed in it was messed up.
i don't mind episodes like this, just write it well. they could have made it so that he has to go undercover in the 1800's, puts his consciounsess in a fob watch and chameleon arch, becomes human and has to work on a plantation undercover for some reason. ruby is undercover there too but works as a maid or something like martha did in human nature, and she sees what the doctor goes through and it hurts her because she can't stop it. the doctor gets his memories back but still remembers all the pain he went through while being enaslaved and he has a new perspective of what that time era was like for people that had the same skin color as him in america and other countries where the slave trade took place, and he gets it and sympathizes. i'm not saying it's an original or better idea for an episode, but it would be better than what they did.
i think ncuti deserves to have an episode to express situations like this that he might have been through as the doctor, like how the actor that plays arlong in the one piece live action show is black and might be able to relate to arlong's fishman backstory about discrimination, because is passionate acting at the end was very moving, but this episode wasn't the right way to go about it.
I don’t think Doctor who ever should have any race issues brought up unless it happens to play a small role in story based on historical context of a timeframe on earth. The show should be about alien races obviously
Everyone born in America is a native. Not everyone born in America is an American Indian.
Arguably, there isn’t even such thing as an indigenous human outside of specific areas in africa, but that *really* splits hairs to the Nth degree.
Growing up in the 80's and 90's we never thought about race in the way like today. Yeah we would "high side" on each other about different racial things but it was universally done back and forth. We all hung out no matter what color we were. Hell as children we fought over who got to be storm from X-Men. We didn't care she was black. It's sad seeing younger people who see color before anything else about another person.
this isn't dr who
it's dr whoville
It's Dr.Who-Gives-A-Fuck
Nurse what
Of this I agree as I adapt in a pinch: This wokeness is cruel and mean, like a Grinch! (Apologies to Dr. Seuss.)
This episode will only ever come up when we are looking back on how bad this season was. Nothing about this episode was stand out or eye-openning, it was a boomer facebook meme(Oh look at all those youngin' with their tictacs and their instagrams) with a tip of a pinkie toe dip in the pool of racism conversation
This is not about colour, it about being about being lgbtw alphabet followers. If you listen to a word they say, you just have to cringe, this is not how real people with respect interreact with each other. Doctor Who was a person of unknown origin, and began and wild adventure in time and space. The Doctor had so many great companions, not everyone of them white, Martha Jones was as strong as the Doctor. The cast had so many different cultures and people cast in it, but the story line made you want to watch it. Now it has seemed to have angered people on so many different levels, yeah I am white and straight, I can't change that. But what this show has become isn't scfi, it is an assault on our intelligence... RTD is part of an elite bubble, Who cares what they project now. RIP Dr Who. Thanks for the review, I look at everyone as just who they are....
The only reason you shouldn't respect someone is if they are a bad person, respect and love each other guys!:D
i think its the sickness of obsession.. when someone start obsessing about something even if its in terms of rejecting its , that things gains control over theme .. Racism can become self fulfilling prophecy
We are living in a time of Regression. Though, I am hopeful things will eventually recorrect as it seems like people are starting to smarten up to this kind of behavior.
The more I am hit with this media from America. Yes I'm counting this Dr. Who season as an American product because Disney is corrupting it.
But I honestly hate that we went from an age where you grew up hearing treat everyone the same. Color does not matter just be respectful of everyone.
Or that you can break the standards of your gender without having to be treated differently for it. We quite literally went from "accept everyone" to "treat these groups as victims and this group as villains"
We quite literally have gone backwards so far that we are basically inverting the societal situation we had in the bad times.
Oh the fall of doctor who. Never thought we would see it. RIP
I think RTD just lost his talent. Or been drinking the progressive koolaid for too long. I remember when Utopia had that scene with Jack and the Doctor where the Doctor is called prejudiced by Jack (somewhat jokingly) because being a fixed point makes it hard for the Doctor to be with him. The Doctor coyly admits that he never thought about it that way and is less of a dick to Jack from then on. It was small, simple and more nuanced than "you hate me cause I'm black/gay/whatever hot topic modern-day victimhood". Compared to modern RTD where it's all "you suck because you are a man/black", as subtle as a sledgehammer to the face.
I think you are giving Gatwa too much credit. They aren't forcing "everything about his race" on him, he ASKED and WANTED that to be a major aspect of "Disney's Doctor Who". He's not a passive observer in the creation process, he's been an active participant.
I'm surprised that they haven't had him visit a slavery time period yet.
"....You could make a case that the world has already ended. Art is dead. We're exhausted. Instead of art we have pop culture. Daytime TV .. Women who were r by their dentists confiding in Oprah. An exploration in depth to why women cut off their husband's [junk.]" Jack Nicholson / Wolf / 1994 Although used to make a bunch of elite snobs uncomfortable in a movie, I sometime feel this quote becoming all too true.
In the 1990s when the show was seemingly gone, just in books and audios, the BBC Doctor Who novels had a story arc about some badguys called "Faction Paradox".
After a dispute with the BBC, the creator took his ball and made his own better stories with blackjack and you get the point.
"Faction Paradox" became its own Doctorless spinoff; with walking-talking Timeships and the Time Lords getting made into something terrifyingly more powerful. the key introductory book was a story written in the form of an encyclopedia and included bits like these:
"Predictably, as communications and technology improved the rate of development increased: progress is usually exponential in hominid cultures. The period between 1700 and 1800 AD saw a greater level of innovation than any other age in history, the period between 1800 and 1900 saw the speed of progress increase once again, and the period between 1900 and 2000 was faster still. It soon became obvious that if the rate of change continued to increase, then logically, the human species had to reach a point of catastrophe - not necessarily a negative one - where it would simply no longer be able to function at an animal level.
By the end of the twentieth century there was sufficient technology on the planet to begin shifting human consciousness into alternative forms; hundreds of millions of humans were already spreading themselves, or at least their information-selves, across the globe on a daily basis; scientific research was mere months away from developing a method of biologically "mainlining" data; and to any anthropologist it would have seemed that humanity was about to reach its crisis point and fulfil its genetic programming, abandoning the biological model forever.
And then, suddenly, everything stopped.
By the early-to-mid twenty-first century, intelligence-form technology was certainly in existence. All humanity needed was the will. But somehow, after millions of years of effort, the will had unexpectedly vanished. On the brink of finding its own personal kind of enlightenment, it was as if the human species had backed down and decided to enter a period of stagnation instead."
... classic Doctor Who writers saw this horror coming before it happened. And now, we're lost. Notice Musk is still struggling to get to the moon even though we did it in the 1960s? Notice we produce more but there's still world hunger? Notice how Doctor Who has 60 years to draw on and instead they're producing garbage?
Doctor WHO is the one TV show where the actor whom plays the lead can just have fun! There have been many Fear based monsters so they could have made a Hate monster or Pettiness monster!
Why is the doctor running away from invading aliens? Wouldn't he normally be fighting them off?
The people running that show are - unequivocally - bigoted.
They _freaking_ *invented* a prejudice against people in wheelchairs, FFS.
What
Maybe it was a coincidence since it's on sale now and I've seen a few "essay" channels in recent videos that have used the same video game gameplay as background but whether it was done purposely or not it's very appropriate to have Bioshock Infinite gameplay in the background when talking about racism. It was just a nice detail that I don't know if it was done intentionally but still pretty cool.
And that wasn't even the 60s episode we've seen clips of so there might be yet again another episode focused on racism, and it's just becoming a broken record. But I was skeptical of Davies return from the start thanks to the articles surrounding him and his quotes. This run started out okay but with a bit of red flags. Now I'm out again, not going to bother watching from here on out. They lost me again after previous of more singing. Doctor Who is not a damn musical, and I like musicals, but it's not a damn musical.
i genuinely think the doctor would HELP THEM ANYWAYS, he's done it before, trying to protect hateful/terrible people because that's part of the doctor. it's because he cares, he'll let some die on his watch when he's done all he could to try and keep them alive. so far in the new season, there there's been maybe 1 scene where Ncuti actually feels like the doctor and that was in boom...
Russel needs to stop pushing whatever message at this point and just write entertaining television, and if he can't then bring in some new blood, someone completely new with foreknowledge of the show and is eager to write something actually entertaining.
💯That's what I remember of him. Maybe there was ONE instance where he told Rose (or whatever companion he might have been with at that time) that they shouldn't interfere. However, when they DO interfere he is ALL in!
alteori, I love your videos, I've been watching them for a while. I hope you continue making these videos and have fun doing so!:D have an AMAZING DAY/NIGHT
Also Italians and Skandinaviens are both considered “white” but they don’t have the same skin color do they? Why do all the white people look exactly the same Russel!?
Also they did the same thing with Jody's Doctor, their identity is only their characteristic and they make stories to validate that
In reference to what you're saying at the start at the cashier job, it's apparent that when someone does that, casts a form of "other" on to you or anyone else for any reason they feel justified with, it's a type of stereotype that allows that person to feel special in some way towards the "other" they are projecting towards you. Whether that "special" is "I struggled more (even though I literally know nothing about your struggles and for whatever reason, I see it as a race to see who can make the greater claim as a way of titling genuineness to our claim to MY tribe...)," or as anything else including the standard race lines most people associate this with, it's always with a purpose of legitimizing their own specialness towards the idea of a more negative "other".
I can see where this is handy in a situation where we all live in tribal huts and kill each other over food and land like we did tens of thousands of years ago, but for it to still be a standard of expectations today is a horrible hindrance to our ability to stop being assholes to each other for stupid reasons. Yet for whatever reason, its still a badge of honor everywhere you look. Sheesh.
Edit: you are awesome! Don't you ever forget that!
I'm sorry, but every time I hear his name, I hear it as "Shitty Gacua". Also, I think that he's all in on RTD's writing instead of doing a more classically played Dr. Who ep.
I didn't really think about it until you said it but, yeah. Apart from John Redcorn (an animated character) from King of the Hill, I really can't think of that many movies I've seen where Native American actors were just allowed to play an average person. It's really creepy. And it's equally creepy what gets done to black actors. They're either given race-swapped characters or the stereotypical role where they are constantly being kept down because of their race.
Edit: "I don't know what it is." I do. It's propaganda. RTD all but said it when he said, "Do you not notice everyone is white? If you don't? Why not?" He's admitting he and other people in entertainment have been *actively* trying to propagandize us. Why would he expect us to notice how everyone was white unless he and others have been trying to make us constantly notice race?