“All Racism References” has to be the funniest title for a video I’ve ever seen in my life, like I get it, but gives the vibe of like, an Easter egg video lmao
@@FelipeA81 And yet things are getting worse. Women's rights are being lowered. Racism is becoming more and more common. LGBTQ rights are being lowered. Society is devolving when it comes to minorities
Because having a thing against black people in 1000 years time would be as odd as having a thing against Vikings today? I mean there might be racism in the future but it would likely be against different groups.
@@FelipeA81 LMAO. We've improved? Really? UA-cam keeps recommanding me videos from conservatives even if I put "do not recommand", some with 10k views, some with 100k. Look at the title and thumbnail of these videos, it reeks of hate
When she asked "You're in the same room??" I thought it was another jab at people being so consumed by social media that they don't even socialize in the same room in this society. But, nope, racial segregation. This is one of those episodes that is incredibly rewarding to re-watch.
@@milky7257nah it can’t be both as we know Lindy works in a room with three other people and two of her friends are twins who share a bubble. It’s pure racism but the social media commentary helps disguise it
@@mrcritical6751Which makes the episode clever. It challenges your assumptions and makes you go back for a re-watch to see what you missed. The kids all are spoiled rich assholes and they literally bleed blue blood. Not a detail you notice until the second viewing.
I like how, mid-way through the lecture about how the TARDIS is "voodoo" Ruby looks away from them. She knew instantly what was happening, she's seen it before.
@@joekreissl4499I honestly have this horrible image in my head where years ago some nosey Karen calls the cops during a shopping trip cause she thought Carla was kidnapping Ruby, whenever I think about that
@@Zestieee Yeah this whole episode was shit you didn't pick up easily until the rewatch. It's crazy how subtle a decent chunk of it was and it just seemed like she was a spoiled brat.
I didn't even notice the racism until they showed it on the Doctor Who UA-cam channel. Even though most people have been calling this season "woke" and stuff, this really felt like a powerful way to show these problems. If I was a more emotional person, I would be emotional right now. This was a really good episode.
Does anyone else think the "you will obey me" was a subtle nod to the Daleks? Not as in teasing their return or involvement in the episode, but to show the similarities in behaviour.
I stopped the episode at the "I know he looks weird" part and asked my friends if I was looking too far into it that they were treating him differently and at the end I was disgusted to realize I was right.
Ricky was actually exactly like the Doctor in words and action, and Lindy accepted him, but when the real Doctor did EXACTLY the same, she rejected him.
There had been talk from some viewers who said if Ricky had not ☠️, then he might have been able to convince the others to listen and go with the doctor or they even blindly follow him as an “influenster”, but without the voice of someone willing to see logic and understand history, now instead they are going to do their own thing, no matter how little it makes sense, no matter the consquences.
How could you tell? Is there a line which implies he’s met the Doctor? Has he met a non-white person? Well asking it already sounds so because he don’t have his bubble.
I was lowkey hoping he would become a temporary companion or at the least turn down the doctor in favor if being able to steer this twisted society in the right direction
I got that Lindy was racist quite quickly. It wasn't until the end that I realized her society was white-supremacist when I say that everyone else acted the same way.
One thing overlooked is that when Lindy enters the "safe area," she sees Ruby and The Doctor and has a "freaked out" expression and goes out of her way to avoid them...not go to them and thank them for saving her...but appalled that HE is allowed to be there. I know it's mentioned when they are face to face, but there also is that initial moment where they Could meet, but she skirts away ASAP.
NGL they hid the twist well. I thought her avoiding them was because she was worried they knew what she did to Ricky somehow. Rewatching the episode they were brilliantly subtle about how much of racist pos the FineTime community was.
@@InfiniteProductions123 "Ruby, meet my former self. Yes, I was white once. And old. And Scottish. This version of me is known for punching racists, playing an electric guitar and having lots of weird stuff in his browser history"
"Because you, sir, are not one of us..." I read somewhere that Russell T Davies made a small change to the twist. What if the change was small, even smaller than six words? Just one word. I think he had to tone it down with one word, which would have made it a hundred times more offensive to The Doctor if it were kept in the script. "Because you, boy, are not one of us..."
Remind anyone of “no you’re right, not a single word. Just six” This comment can be summarised as: “No, you’re right, not six words. Just a single word”.
A lot of these aren't necessarily directly hinting towards "racism", but rather "isolationism" - a lot of those points do go hand-in-hand as the latter can influence the development of racist views
@@danielkiran8174 yes, but there's a lot of things brought up here that are purely just dependence on the Dot and Bubble without any reference to interacting with the Doctor / Ruby Not saying the list is incomplete, but just not precise
Yes it's difficult to unpick the two. It's hard to be racist without being isolationist and it's hard to be isolationist without being racist, both are about demonizing groups of people
After watching this episode and these kinds of breakdowns a few times, the most haunting and horrible aspect (that no one is really talking about) is that she expects him to be "punished.". That may imply that people of color (if there are any left) are "punished" regularly in their society. Just thinking about that may may be like is sickening and chilling.
@@mrcritical6751 Had Slavery. The AI purged it. Now my belief is that the non white part of the population survived, as they wouldn’t have been allowed to use the Dot and Bubble. But they did nothing to help when the AI decided to purge the Racists. As for the Homeworld being reduced to a population of 0, well the homeworld might only register the White part of its population.
Some of those things I wouldn´t consider racist but just being entitled which isn´t good either. It actually took me until the end to understand why she didn´t like the Doctor but considering that she also didn´t like Ruby very much (calling her stupid and being annoyed) I simply thought Lindy doesn´t like interacting with people she doesn´t know.
Yeah, a lot of these probably aren’t intentional and are just common traits in racists, but I found it really fun in a way this episode watching it back and picking up on these
I’m glad I’m not the only one who picked up on that. It’s like that Star Trek episode, The Drumhead. Guilt by association is not a crime. If someone has an otherwise innocuous or stupid trait that racists often have, that doesn’t make them racist. We as a forward thinking society often cast too wide a net for our own good. Also, if blindly obeying parents is racist, then heaven help us, and heaven help all the toddlers of 2024. Who’s got the conch?
@@benjaminstock5334 it’s just that those traits are common in racists and therefore it builds them up as one. It’s not just 1 reference or 1 trait, there’s blatant racism on top of multiple of these. I’m not saying that following influencers and being a hypocrite makes you racist, but when you have 20 of those correlated traits on top of the knowledge that they’re massively racist, it just paints a pictue
Disclaimer: Some of these likely aren’t intentional or might need more explaining, obscure references and stuff. There’s a few demonstrations of arrogance, refusal and stuff that while don’t directly display racism, are common traits in racists. Oh, and those rIpDoCtOrWhO people who think it’s suddenly gone woke, please consider what you comment on this video especially because, yk, if you keep supporting Lindy it’s really not a good look 😂
Nothing sudden about it, of course. Doctor Who always had this sort of agenda. In some cases it was done more subtly, in others more blatantly, but it was always there
Your video isnt really actually exploring msot of the racism, especially in the beginning its just talking about how shes unable to be independant and are really not needed. Could've been way more concentrated and shouldve removed parts like that and kept parts like the doctor in the beginning being "unsolicited"
@@ugolomb I don't know, I don't seem to remember every episode being about sex or race before. Most of the episodes now make me feel uncomfortable because every episode is about sex or race regardless of being gay or straight. While there are some instances in older episodes most I could watch with my family. While you are right, Doctor Who has had gay characters like Captain Jack in the past, or mixed race couples, like Rose and Mickey, they didn't bother anyone because they didn't rub it in our face and tell us every 10 seconds he was gay or that he was black, and most of all it didn't compromise story to get the point across. People accept things that are normalized. We don't have an issue with these themes, no one is homophobic or racist, we just dislike bad writing or not being inclusive of straight or white people (like news outlets getting on-board with the direction and not realizing saying the show "isn't for straight white males anymore" is actually a racist headline). I am, myself, gay and have a partner. My mother, is also gay. This show, makes gay or trans people uncomfortable. This show is for not for anyone.
Well, you picked the right video to make that comment. Personally, I think Gold is perfectly capable, but he doesn't do anything special. His music is fine, but it could have been written for any programme. Whereas Segun Akinola not only showed the same level of technical competence, but also re-introduced the musical innovation we often heard in classic Who. Akinola's scores push the envelope, and when you listen to them you know this is not just another soap opera.
One thing that jumped out at me through reading thr transcript was how Lindy responded to Ruby even though she was annoyed with her, she still paid attention. When the doctor talked to her or tried to encourage her, she called him condesending, etc.
I first thought it was a classism thing, given that Finetime given that it was populated by only rich kids, but on reflection that does just fold into the racism and the effects of systemic racism.
@@Yduno29 Well that obviously can't say that, though a workaround to emphasize how Lindy felt about him would be constantly calling the Doctor 'outsider' or something of that nature
I guess you've never experienced contemptuous over politeness before. That use of 'Sir' others and denigrates the Doctor while maintaining a veneer of faux civility.
I watched some _Quantum Leap_ episodes on Syfy and another network a couple years back. They censored the N-word and both the R-word and the R-ed word for what's now called "autistic." I guess when it first came out live in the 1990s people could understand the context and deal with it, but not now.
The singer said there was still thousands being eaten that day. But it looked like the Doctor and Ruby didn't stick around to try to save them too. Too bad if there was anyone decent with a last name of Q-Z.
The gut punch from this episode, as The Doctor faced Lindy, when I suddenly realised every kid in FineTime was white. And the fact that I'd only just noticed. Because these things aren't subtle. The flags are super obvious in hindsight. I'd just dismissed them. I hadn't noticed. Which is what happens in real life. Privileged people don't see the little aggressions. The little aggressions that can be just as damaging as a slur. And this was an intensely powerful way to show that.
They could do shows where everyone is south-Asian or east-Asian or African, but they don't because it probably would cost too much. By contrast _Lost_ did an episode in Hawaii (where the series was filmed) with an African town for Eko's stories.
most of these aren’t racism specifically, but general examples of groupthink. i think that’s kind of the point they’re making. racism is basically another kind of groupthink, much like doomscrolling
1:16 wow, i analysed this episode before and never realised that. But that's an interesting answer to why tje doctor and ruby can't reach the inside of the bubble
dude this episode was so insanely good and when I realized what was happening with them being racist and not going with him to the Tardis I got literal chills. Not being able to save them because of THAT is just so sad
The absolute worst part about this episode for me personally was I did not even notice or flinch at any of the blatantly obvious racism that was being dangled in front of me. Only after seeing the end of the episode and after going back and rewatching did I realize how obvious it was. Really made me feel icky. But at the same time that's why I enjoyed the episode I don't consume media just so I can feel think and learn nothing
The line that made me start to predict where this was going was "he's not as stupid as he looks" it's not a line that would normally make me think really at all just the fact that everyone else was white and she's basically saying the only person who isn't looks stupid was a huge red flag
This is some really great meta-commentary, because as a white guy I'll admit that a lot of these moments went right over my head at first. I didn't realize that the racism was foreshadowed until the end of the episode. But to a black person, these types of aggressions are easily recognized. This episode forces the viewer to examine their own biases, because even if you may not personally be racist, you might still be unaware of racism happening around you, because it's not happening _to_ you. Even Ruby didn't notice the racism until it was literally in front of her face. Also having a 2 hour work shift would be a _godsend_ for us commoners. That doesn't have to do with anything, I just wish I could work for 2 hours and be able to afford my own home.
Don't mind me saying this, but not all black people would notice a so-called "micro-aggression." Also, you're forgetting that racists come from ALL ethnic groups, not just white people. 😟 I know us whities are probably less likely to notice racism, probably genetically, but if that's the case, then we naturally can't help it, can we? 🤔 We can only do as much as treat everybody exactly the same, regardless of ethnicity, gender and sexuality and be kind and polite to everyone. 🙂 Also, being cheerful, confident and smiling really helps, too, of course! 😁 Yeah! 😁 Best of luck, buddy! Have a fab day! 😁👍✌️
I've seen some chatter that these are the ancestors of the Kaleds and Daleks. Part of me thinks that would be a really cool, appropriate origin story, but another part of me just wants to see these people sail off and go extinct due to their own incompetence. Which is essentially the end result of racism.
@@OliverSmithson-ir9fi There’s a deeper meaning. Racist societies are trapped in their own little bubbles, that’s what the bubble enclosing the city represented in FineTime, they’re secluded from the home world with a largely privileged demographic. Her not being able to function without her bubble shows how cut off she is and how she’s lost such basic abilities because she’s been blinded by prejudoce
But that may be a coincidence, not having a non-white friend does not have to be related to racism. She is racist towards people who are different from her and less wealthy, there is no more talk
@@Zestieee i didnt notoce it either and god do i feel like a massive asshole. This episode really holds up a mirror to us like, forcing us to realise our own ignorance and privellage (to non poc viewers especially)
They seem to make a lot of shows inclusive or multicultural like modern London, but sometimes a character pops out at you, like the soldier-lady in the ambulance/landmine episode being of south-central Asian descent. I do sometimes think that (like the Time magazine article) if current trends continue and more people mix, then a show like this should have a society with mixed-race people that you can't quite tell what their parentage is, so can't fit them into a category.
I think a lot of this flew over the heads of people. It’s not just about racial segregation it’s a critique about the racism inherent in social media influencer culture. Young, pretty, rich, white and with that recipe, you easily amass thousands of followers who just care about seeing that. These influencers surround themselves with the same and they create a bubble of the same kind of people. Everyone else is only able to look in, even empathize with you as the main character, pay you for your content, but the reality being they will never able to be in their world.
It's not just racism but classism, privilege and xenophobia. Coupled with the, obnoxious arrogant insincere positive vibs and obsession with screens and technology that makes it a very despicable society.
@@Gothic7876 The A.I. also may have created those creatures on Homeworld since they were there too. But according to the computer, there were no survivors.
Blue blood is quite a niche racist term that is about noble bloodlines and stuff, being so white you can see the blue veins. I’ll let you look up SS, just search SS racism or something It was a nazi state
@@Hercules_Flexing Schutzstaffel, the major paramilitary organization under Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party. The SS was responsible for the genocidal murder of an estimated 5.5 to 6 million Jews and millions of other victims during the Holocaust.
People are way too focused on this agent thing people were so mad about two guys kissing when the bigger issue is that the doctor and that dude were not even the same species.
I know he was still a part of Finetime but do we think Ricky was racist too? I mean he was the only one who was happy to listen to the Doctor and didn’t show any adverse reactions during their interaction…
@@joefreeman3087 I think he represents an identical copy of the Doctor but just white, that’s why everybody idolises him because the Doctor has such amazing qualities, but nobody on finetime would like him because he’s black Ricky says he doesn’t really use his bubble much, his has “burst” and he’s not confined to the racist society, he reads up on history etc Lindy still betrays him though to show that it’s not just about race but racists are innately bad people
@@NotAgnor yeah I agree, I think if he’d have survived he would have been the only one to go with the Doctor, and despite his influencer status I don’t think he’d have been able to convince everyone else. The Doctor, Ruby and Ricky would have made a cute trio tbh, seeing Gatwa and Gibson fight over him more is something we were robbed of 😂
Yk the bubble is metaphorical. Racist societies live in bubbles and are unable to do basic fundamental and natural human things without the support of the bubble
"Ricky obeys the Doctor"? Even with the biggest stretch of imagination, that has nothing to do with racism "[Lindsey] looks like fun because she's white"? They're all white
I'll quickly add to this chain of comments that yes, I agree that some lines are clear references. I just think you should have focused on them instead, this video could have been a lot shorter
@@NotAgnor What do you mean "racist societies are unable to do basic fundamental and natural human things?" - you can use the bubble metaphor and link it to racism (although that is just a dystopian black mirror-esque idea imo), but using being unable to walk is another enormous stretch of the imagination
what really threw me off here is using the "rings of akhaten" music throughout the whole vid. very off-putting(yeah, no, sorry, bro. its just wrong usage of the music itself). everything else? fine(time) 😂
Some of this isn't racism, notice how they all look 'pretty' with their bright materialism, their social media personality appearance, no one even looks white and ugly, they've got their 'painting' as Shakespeare would say, their rose-tinted glasses. Censoring what you have to hear, not what you want to hear. In fact I was more disgusted by the cartoon design and bright colours, and cartoon-looking people. In the end I did think, 'why are they all white?' But it was their cake face appearance I was more grossed by. In truth I only came 10 minutes into the episode so I thought the Doctor did the whole 'hello, I'm the Doctor, I'm a timelord,' you know. Alienism- discrimination of non-humans.
I knew when Gatwa was announced as The Doctor they were gonna have some form of rasicm against him in an episode. There were similar moments with Martha, Bill, Yaz and Ryan in their respective seasons but with The Doctor I knew it had to be a whole episode. While Dot and Bubble is not one of my favorites, it definitely was a solid way to introduce The Doctor facing Racism.
It seemed a few days ago everyone hated this show for its sucky writing. Now we've all gotten used to it like I knew we would, so can we all please shut up?
I doubt many racists would have chosen to watch this episode, so I struggle to see who this message was for. It would have been more interesting had the antagonist been a political leader making questionable judgements/policies with race being the driving factor, like Trump or Priti Patel. This was pretty much preaching by numbers.
As others have pointed out in various discussions, part of the message is how insidious prejudice is (not just racism, there are others forms of prejudice as well, of course): even people who oppose it might miss it when it's right in front of them. Which is an important lesson for those of us who regard themselves as non/anti-racists. We might miss the cues in real life just as we did in this episode. Another point is that supremacism and racism are harmful to the racists, not just to those they act against. These people are basically going to die because of their own racism, not because of racism directed against them. Which is a point that even anti-racists don't always get
In addition to the (very good) reply above mine, it’s also worth remembering that Doctor Who isn’t just for adults! I can see this episode being a really good way to teach older children about racism, as well as teaching younger teens who are just starting to use social media how to spot common dogwhistles used by reactionary groups (like the ‘taming the wilderness like our ancestors’ rhetoric).
@@ugolomb I think its great when a white showrunner/writer looks to teach us about blatant or subliminal prejudice in a show of which the hand-picked production main staff of his are a white script editor, white director, 5 white producers, 2 white cinematographers, white casting director, white editor, white 2nd unit director, white production designer, white main camera and dolly operator, both white makeup artists and all the 7 white heads of the art departments. If the episode wins an award it’ll be fascinating seeing all of those faces up on stage holding the award wagging their finger at society. Or maybe they should have approached it from the Morgan Freeman view who famously said “How are we going to get rid of racism? Stop talking about it” But what would he know about it, RTD knows best🙄
I think that's a reference to colonizers or something. It didn't make much sense, after they had been told their whole lives (or since they got to the colony) not to go into the forest.
It’s a reference to a common eugenicist dogwhistle. There’s a specific type of far-right internet user who idolises a heavily fictionalised version of pre-medieval European history, specifically because they like the idea of a society where everyone is white, women never do anything except have babies, and anyone who isn’t ablebodied or neurotypical is left to die (none of which matches the archaeological data we actually have, but they throw a fit if you tell them that haha). So if you see someone online talk about ‘taming the wilderness like their ancestors,’ there’s about a 99.999% chance that’s what they’re talking about.
So when casting this episode they said, sorry we can’t have any POC in this episode and we can’t tell you why. Sorry but this is b*llsh*t. They looked back at the episode and retrofitted a woke story to create controversy.
Being woke is a good thing, look up the definition lmfao It’s very telling that you’re criticising the criticism of racism in the name of dismissing social injustice
The opposite of "woke" is "sleep" and those who want a white-supremacist, male chauvinist society (or ethnic equivalent in the Philippines or India) want good people to go back to sleep so they won't stop it.
@@NotAgnor The show sucks. It's bad writing. "White people are racist" is the message, because, hey, it's Disney. And what did we learn today? Disney is racist!
2014: All Classic Who References
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@@WDBlackMamba 🤦
“All Racism References” has to be the funniest title for a video I’ve ever seen in my life, like I get it, but gives the vibe of like, an Easter egg video lmao
"big callback to racism right here"
@@frostpatch2347 as featured in The Two Doctors, of course
As Russell T Davies said: "Most people assume racism happens in the past, but what makes you think it can't happen in the future?"
Hope, I guess. But alas, history is famous for repeating itself.
Hope, we improved to much in the last few years, why can't we keep improving?
@@FelipeA81 And yet things are getting worse. Women's rights are being lowered. Racism is becoming more and more common. LGBTQ rights are being lowered. Society is devolving when it comes to minorities
Because having a thing against black people in 1000 years time would be as odd as having a thing against Vikings today? I mean there might be racism in the future but it would likely be against different groups.
@@FelipeA81 LMAO. We've improved? Really? UA-cam keeps recommanding me videos from conservatives even if I put "do not recommand", some with 10k views, some with 100k. Look at the title and thumbnail of these videos, it reeks of hate
When she asked "You're in the same room??" I thought it was another jab at people being so consumed by social media that they don't even socialize in the same room in this society. But, nope, racial segregation. This is one of those episodes that is incredibly rewarding to re-watch.
OHHHHHHHH I thought it was because they all lived in their own bubble and didn't interact with anyone physically eg: "that was my first hug"
@@QueerCoral I think it's both and that's why it's so clever!
@@milky7257nah it can’t be both as we know Lindy works in a room with three other people and two of her friends are twins who share a bubble. It’s pure racism but the social media commentary helps disguise it
@@mrcritical6751Which makes the episode clever. It challenges your assumptions and makes you go back for a re-watch to see what you missed.
The kids all are spoiled rich assholes and they literally bleed blue blood. Not a detail you notice until the second viewing.
I like how, mid-way through the lecture about how the TARDIS is "voodoo" Ruby looks away from them. She knew instantly what was happening, she's seen it before.
With a milli-second perfect cut to Ncuti as those words hit home. Powerful.
she's lived with it. her mum's black
@@joekreissl4499I honestly have this horrible image in my head where years ago some nosey Karen calls the cops during a shopping trip cause she thought Carla was kidnapping Ruby, whenever I think about that
Also the fact that when the doctor appeared it was an unsolicited request but when ruby appeared it wasnt, interesting 🤔
yoooo I just noticed that
that was the only one of those i did notice, most other ones really flew over my head
It flew over my head 💀
@@Zestieee Yeah this whole episode was shit you didn't pick up easily until the rewatch. It's crazy how subtle a decent chunk of it was and it just seemed like she was a spoiled brat.
Love that Ruby knows what's going on right away, as she's probably seen this happen to her mum all the time.
"I can't even...."
I didn't even notice the racism until they showed it on the Doctor Who UA-cam channel. Even though most people have been calling this season "woke" and stuff, this really felt like a powerful way to show these problems. If I was a more emotional person, I would be emotional right now. This was a really good episode.
Doctor was "woke" from 2005. Anyone who pretends otherwise didn't pay attention.
"I didn't even notice" says a lot about the bubble you live in yourself.
@@micbln8967 The "bubble" I expect to live in is one without racism.
@@danielkiran8174 on skibidi
@@danielkiran8174Oh...oh sweetie it's been woke since 1963 nevermind 2005
Does anyone else think the "you will obey me" was a subtle nod to the Daleks?
Not as in teasing their return or involvement in the episode, but to show the similarities in behaviour.
Or the master
I stopped the episode at the "I know he looks weird" part and asked my friends if I was looking too far into it that they were treating him differently and at the end I was disgusted to realize I was right.
Ricky September deserved better! I just know he would've happily gone with the Doctor 😢
Ricky was actually exactly like the Doctor in words and action, and Lindy accepted him, but when the real Doctor did EXACTLY the same, she rejected him.
There had been talk from some viewers who said if Ricky had not ☠️, then he might have been able to convince the others to listen and go with the doctor or they even blindly follow him as an “influenster”, but without the voice of someone willing to see logic and understand history, now instead they are going to do their own thing, no matter how little it makes sense, no matter the consquences.
How could you tell? Is there a line which implies he’s met the Doctor? Has he met a non-white person? Well asking it already sounds so because he don’t have his bubble.
Ricky would’ve been a cool companion!
I was lowkey hoping he would become a temporary companion or at the least turn down the doctor in favor if being able to steer this twisted society in the right direction
Am I the only one beating myself over the head or not realizing the twist earlier?
I got that Lindy was racist quite quickly.
It wasn't until the end that I realized her society was white-supremacist when I say that everyone else acted the same way.
Just shows how excellently her character was written
Nah, the episode was written to cleverly show how people overlook minor acts of racism until its in their face.
One thing overlooked is that when Lindy enters the "safe area," she sees Ruby and The Doctor and has a "freaked out" expression and goes out of her way to avoid them...not go to them and thank them for saving her...but appalled that HE is allowed to be there. I know it's mentioned when they are face to face, but there also is that initial moment where they Could meet, but she skirts away ASAP.
I noticed that right after I finished 😂
Every time I rewatch there’s something new, it’s such a fascinating episode
NGL they hid the twist well. I thought her avoiding them was because she was worried they knew what she did to Ricky somehow. Rewatching the episode they were brilliantly subtle about how much of racist pos the FineTime community was.
12 should have made a cameo in this episode just to punch Lindy in the face
i have a feeling 15th would just watch in relief, meanwhile ruby is just confused to why there is an old man punching lindy.
OMG That'd be hilarious! 😂
Just the idea of him saving himself is funny to think about!
@@InfiniteProductions123 "Ruby, meet my former self. Yes, I was white once. And old. And Scottish. This version of me is known for punching racists, playing an electric guitar and having lots of weird stuff in his browser history"
"Because you, sir, are not one of us..."
I read somewhere that Russell T Davies made a small change to the twist. What if the change was small, even smaller than six words? Just one word. I think he had to tone it down with one word, which would have made it a hundred times more offensive to The Doctor if it were kept in the script.
"Because you, boy, are not one of us..."
Remind anyone of “no you’re right, not a single word. Just six”
This comment can be summarised as: “No, you’re right, not six words. Just a single word”.
A lot of these aren't necessarily directly hinting towards "racism", but rather "isolationism" - a lot of those points do go hand-in-hand as the latter can influence the development of racist views
yeah isolationism naturally paves the way to xenophobia which easily turns into fully fledged racism
True, but she clearly tolerated Ruby much more than Doctor.
@@danielkiran8174 yes, but there's a lot of things brought up here that are purely just dependence on the Dot and Bubble without any reference to interacting with the Doctor / Ruby
Not saying the list is incomplete, but just not precise
do you think segregation wasn't directly racist?
Yes it's difficult to unpick the two. It's hard to be racist without being isolationist and it's hard to be isolationist without being racist, both are about demonizing groups of people
After watching this episode and these kinds of breakdowns a few times, the most haunting and horrible aspect (that no one is really talking about) is that she expects him to be "punished.". That may imply that people of color (if there are any left) are "punished" regularly in their society. Just thinking about that may may be like is sickening and chilling.
If it helps they are humanoid aliens and not humans, so with any luck might just be a small sect like the ultra fundies in the southern US.
It implies that Homeworld might still have slavery
@@mrcritical6751 Had Slavery. The AI purged it. Now my belief is that the non white part of the population survived, as they wouldn’t have been allowed to use the Dot and Bubble. But they did nothing to help when the AI decided to purge the Racists.
As for the Homeworld being reduced to a population of 0, well the homeworld might only register the White part of its population.
"I was right to hate you" should've been a dead giveaway.
Some of those things I wouldn´t consider racist but just being entitled which isn´t good either. It actually took me until the end to understand why she didn´t like the Doctor but considering that she also didn´t like Ruby very much (calling her stupid and being annoyed) I simply thought Lindy doesn´t like interacting with people she doesn´t know.
Yeah, a lot of these probably aren’t intentional and are just common traits in racists, but I found it really fun in a way this episode watching it back and picking up on these
I’m glad I’m not the only one who picked up on that. It’s like that Star Trek episode, The Drumhead. Guilt by association is not a crime. If someone has an otherwise innocuous or stupid trait that racists often have, that doesn’t make them racist. We as a forward thinking society often cast too wide a net for our own good.
Also, if blindly obeying parents is racist, then heaven help us, and heaven help all the toddlers of 2024. Who’s got the conch?
@@benjaminstock5334 it’s just that those traits are common in racists and therefore it builds them up as one. It’s not just 1 reference or 1 trait, there’s blatant racism on top of multiple of these. I’m not saying that following influencers and being a hypocrite makes you racist, but when you have 20 of those correlated traits on top of the knowledge that they’re massively racist, it just paints a pictue
@@benjaminstock5334did you have to put "blindly" in there?
@@benjaminstock5334 It's not just racist people who blindly obey, but racists often inherit their racism from parents.
Disclaimer: Some of these likely aren’t intentional or might need more explaining, obscure references and stuff. There’s a few demonstrations of arrogance, refusal and stuff that while don’t directly display racism, are common traits in racists.
Oh, and those rIpDoCtOrWhO people who think it’s suddenly gone woke, please consider what you comment on this video especially because, yk, if you keep supporting Lindy it’s really not a good look 😂
Nothing sudden about it, of course. Doctor Who always had this sort of agenda. In some cases it was done more subtly, in others more blatantly, but it was always there
On Skibidi
Your video isnt really actually exploring msot of the racism, especially in the beginning its just talking about how shes unable to be independant and are really not needed. Could've been way more concentrated and shouldve removed parts like that and kept parts like the doctor in the beginning being "unsolicited"
@@UryIsReal the bubble is a metaphor, racist societies live in bubbles, echo chambers. A lot of them are more indirect references
@@ugolomb I don't know, I don't seem to remember every episode being about sex or race before. Most of the episodes now make me feel uncomfortable because every episode is about sex or race regardless of being gay or straight. While there are some instances in older episodes most I could watch with my family. While you are right, Doctor Who has had gay characters like Captain Jack in the past, or mixed race couples, like Rose and Mickey, they didn't bother anyone because they didn't rub it in our face and tell us every 10 seconds he was gay or that he was black, and most of all it didn't compromise story to get the point across. People accept things that are normalized. We don't have an issue with these themes, no one is homophobic or racist, we just dislike bad writing or not being inclusive of straight or white people (like news outlets getting on-board with the direction and not realizing saying the show "isn't for straight white males anymore" is actually a racist headline).
I am, myself, gay and have a partner. My mother, is also gay. This show, makes gay or trans people uncomfortable. This show is for not for anyone.
I'm so glad Murray Gold came back. Another awesome score for the scene right here.
Well, you picked the right video to make that comment.
Personally, I think Gold is perfectly capable, but he doesn't do anything special. His music is fine, but it could have been written for any programme.
Whereas Segun Akinola not only showed the same level of technical competence, but also re-introduced the musical innovation we often heard in classic Who. Akinola's scores push the envelope, and when you listen to them you know this is not just another soap opera.
One thing that jumped out at me through reading thr transcript was how Lindy responded to Ruby even though she was annoyed with her, she still paid attention. When the doctor talked to her or tried to encourage her, she called him condesending, etc.
I first thought it was a classism thing, given that Finetime given that it was populated by only rich kids, but on reflection that does just fold into the racism and the effects of systemic racism.
I'm surprised that Lindy and Bugle girl address the Doctor as "Sir". I would expect something more derogatory.
Thank god they couldn't say the n-word on the BBC
I suspect in that case, calling him sir was out of pragmatism out of anything else.
@@Yduno29 Well that obviously can't say that, though a workaround to emphasize how Lindy felt about him would be constantly calling the Doctor 'outsider' or something of that nature
I guess you've never experienced contemptuous over politeness before. That use of 'Sir' others and denigrates the Doctor while maintaining a veneer of faux civility.
I watched some _Quantum Leap_ episodes on Syfy and another network a couple years back. They censored the N-word and both the R-word and the R-ed word for what's now called "autistic." I guess when it first came out live in the 1990s people could understand the context and deal with it, but not now.
Well… Lindy is a Karen
The Doctor should have let them all get eaten by the Slugs!
The singer said there was still thousands being eaten that day. But it looked like the Doctor and Ruby didn't stick around to try to save them too. Too bad if there was anyone decent with a last name of Q-Z.
The blue blood!
Am I color blind or is it more dark turquoise?
@@BritneyLaZonga Eh close enough
The future is Bowlestrek and Nerdrotic.
The gut punch from this episode, as The Doctor faced Lindy, when I suddenly realised every kid in FineTime was white.
And the fact that I'd only just noticed.
Because these things aren't subtle. The flags are super obvious in hindsight. I'd just dismissed them. I hadn't noticed.
Which is what happens in real life. Privileged people don't see the little aggressions. The little aggressions that can be just as damaging as a slur.
And this was an intensely powerful way to show that.
They could do shows where everyone is south-Asian or east-Asian or African, but they don't because it probably would cost too much. By contrast _Lost_ did an episode in Hawaii (where the series was filmed) with an African town for Eko's stories.
most of these aren’t racism specifically, but general examples of groupthink. i think that’s kind of the point they’re making. racism is basically another kind of groupthink, much like doomscrolling
Looking back, I'm so glad that this episode caused such a massive talking point immediately after broadcast.
Ty for this!
I didn't get it at all when I saw it.
1:16 wow, i analysed this episode before and never realised that. But that's an interesting answer to why tje doctor and ruby can't reach the inside of the bubble
dude this episode was so insanely good and when I realized what was happening with them being racist and not going with him to the Tardis I got literal chills. Not being able to save them because of THAT is just so sad
"You _sir,_ are not one of us." I didn't pick up on the "sir" bit thinking it was because both were outsiders.
I love all these references to my favourite thing in Doctor Who!
Also, the song "Itsy Bitsy Teeny Weeny Yellow Polka Dot Bikini" is a song from the year 1960!
One of the best episodes in decades.
She makes Davros look like a saint in comparison
The absolute worst part about this episode for me personally was I did not even notice or flinch at any of the blatantly obvious racism that was being dangled in front of me. Only after seeing the end of the episode and after going back and rewatching did I realize how obvious it was. Really made me feel icky. But at the same time that's why I enjoyed the episode I don't consume media just so I can feel think and learn nothing
Really wish we got to see the die or hear their screams of horror.
The line that made me start to predict where this was going was "he's not as stupid as he looks" it's not a line that would normally make me think really at all just the fact that everyone else was white and she's basically saying the only person who isn't looks stupid was a huge red flag
I think Davros would love her if she were a dalek.
This is some really great meta-commentary, because as a white guy I'll admit that a lot of these moments went right over my head at first. I didn't realize that the racism was foreshadowed until the end of the episode. But to a black person, these types of aggressions are easily recognized. This episode forces the viewer to examine their own biases, because even if you may not personally be racist, you might still be unaware of racism happening around you, because it's not happening _to_ you. Even Ruby didn't notice the racism until it was literally in front of her face. Also having a 2 hour work shift would be a _godsend_ for us commoners. That doesn't have to do with anything, I just wish I could work for 2 hours and be able to afford my own home.
Don't mind me saying this, but not all black people would notice a so-called "micro-aggression." Also, you're forgetting that racists come from ALL ethnic groups, not just white people. 😟 I know us whities are probably less likely to notice racism, probably genetically, but if that's the case, then we naturally can't help it, can we? 🤔 We can only do as much as treat everybody exactly the same, regardless of ethnicity, gender and sexuality and be kind and polite to everyone. 🙂 Also, being cheerful, confident and smiling really helps, too, of course! 😁 Yeah! 😁 Best of luck, buddy! Have a fab day! 😁👍✌️
The whole episode is just Rich people stereotypes with a hint of racism. I'm pretty sure about it.
Russell clarified a few things on unleashed and bts, it’s sort of a mix of both
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I've seen some chatter that these are the ancestors of the Kaleds and Daleks. Part of me thinks that would be a really cool, appropriate origin story, but another part of me just wants to see these people sail off and go extinct due to their own incompetence. Which is essentially the end result of racism.
I thought the "complaining about 2 hours a day" was more a reference to the Gen Z stereotype.
How is it racist that she can't move without the bubble, that's because she hasn't lived without it for ages
@@OliverSmithson-ir9fi There’s a deeper meaning. Racist societies are trapped in their own little bubbles, that’s what the bubble enclosing the city represented in FineTime, they’re secluded from the home world with a largely privileged demographic. Her not being able to function without her bubble shows how cut off she is and how she’s lost such basic abilities because she’s been blinded by prejudoce
you missed right at the beginning where all friends are white.
But that may be a coincidence, not having a non-white friend does not have to be related to racism. She is racist towards people who are different from her and less wealthy, there is no more talk
but it does look out of place on a show in 2024 to only see white characters like that.
i'm shocked i didn't actually notice it while watching
@@Zestieee i didnt notoce it either and god do i feel like a massive asshole. This episode really holds up a mirror to us like, forcing us to realise our own ignorance and privellage (to non poc viewers especially)
They seem to make a lot of shows inclusive or multicultural like modern London, but sometimes a character pops out at you, like the soldier-lady in the ambulance/landmine episode being of south-central Asian descent.
I do sometimes think that (like the Time magazine article) if current trends continue and more people mix, then a show like this should have a society with mixed-race people that you can't quite tell what their parentage is, so can't fit them into a category.
"For land's sake" - blood and soil?
I think a lot of this flew over the heads of people. It’s not just about racial segregation it’s a critique about the racism inherent in social media influencer culture. Young, pretty, rich, white and with that recipe, you easily amass thousands of followers who just care about seeing that. These influencers surround themselves with the same and they create a bubble of the same kind of people. Everyone else is only able to look in, even empathize with you as the main character, pay you for your content, but the reality being they will never able to be in their world.
they made the daleks look good
That's because of her I'm not watching the episode again.
I watched the whole episode and didn’t know she was a racist I was like why did she not get in the tardis
It's not just racism but classism, privilege and xenophobia. Coupled with the, obnoxious arrogant insincere positive vibs and obsession with screens and technology that makes it a very despicable society.
No wonder the AI that managed their social media grew to hate them.
@@Gothic7876 The A.I. also may have created those creatures on Homeworld since they were there too. But according to the computer, there were no survivors.
@@sandal_thong8631 That may be the official population count. I bet the deeply racist society didn’t count the non-white population.
I just assumed this was a jab at online beauty influencers.
That too
You're going to pull something with all the stretching you're doing here.
What was the blue blood about?
Also what does SS mean?
Blue blood is quite a niche racist term that is about noble bloodlines and stuff, being so white you can see the blue veins.
I’ll let you look up SS, just search SS racism or something
It was a nazi state
Blue blood is a term to refer to nobility, or the upper class. So it’s a hint to what their status was in their society.
@@Hercules_Flexing Schutzstaffel, the major paramilitary organization under Adolf Hitler and the Nazi Party. The SS was responsible for the genocidal murder of an estimated 5.5 to 6 million Jews and millions of other victims during the Holocaust.
People are way too focused on this agent thing people were so mad about two guys kissing when the bigger issue is that the doctor and that dude were not even the same species.
What about her cold blooded murder
@@OliverSmithson-ir9fi Lindy’s? We don’t know if she did die but what about it? It’s hardly cold blooded
She told the A.I. to kill the singer first. Pretty rotten.
I know he was still a part of Finetime but do we think Ricky was racist too? I mean he was the only one who was happy to listen to the Doctor and didn’t show any adverse reactions during their interaction…
@@joefreeman3087 I think he represents an identical copy of the Doctor but just white, that’s why everybody idolises him because the Doctor has such amazing qualities, but nobody on finetime would like him because he’s black
Ricky says he doesn’t really use his bubble much, his has “burst” and he’s not confined to the racist society, he reads up on history etc
Lindy still betrays him though to show that it’s not just about race but racists are innately bad people
@@NotAgnor yeah I agree, I think if he’d have survived he would have been the only one to go with the Doctor, and despite his influencer status I don’t think he’d have been able to convince everyone else. The Doctor, Ruby and Ricky would have made a cute trio tbh, seeing Gatwa and Gibson fight over him more is something we were robbed of 😂
The vast majority of these "references" are not to racism - like how is not being able to walk without the bubble thing a reference to racism?
Yk the bubble is metaphorical. Racist societies live in bubbles and are unable to do basic fundamental and natural human things without the support of the bubble
Or remembering she blocked the doctor? How the fuck did you draw "only looks the same because he's black" from that?! Omw
"Ricky obeys the Doctor"? Even with the biggest stretch of imagination, that has nothing to do with racism
"[Lindsey] looks like fun because she's white"? They're all white
I'll quickly add to this chain of comments that yes, I agree that some lines are clear references. I just think you should have focused on them instead, this video could have been a lot shorter
@@NotAgnor What do you mean "racist societies are unable to do basic fundamental and natural human things?" - you can use the bubble metaphor and link it to racism (although that is just a dystopian black mirror-esque idea imo), but using being unable to walk is another enormous stretch of the imagination
what really threw me off here is using the "rings of akhaten" music throughout the whole vid. very off-putting(yeah, no, sorry, bro. its just wrong usage of the music itself).
everything else? fine(time) 😂
It’s the dark variant of 15’s theme from the ending of dot and bubble!
Some of this isn't racism, notice how they all look 'pretty' with their bright materialism, their social media personality appearance, no one even looks white and ugly, they've got their 'painting' as Shakespeare would say, their rose-tinted glasses. Censoring what you have to hear, not what you want to hear. In fact I was more disgusted by the cartoon design and bright colours, and cartoon-looking people. In the end I did think, 'why are they all white?' But it was their cake face appearance I was more grossed by. In truth I only came 10 minutes into the episode so I thought the Doctor did the whole 'hello, I'm the Doctor, I'm a timelord,' you know. Alienism- discrimination of non-humans.
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I don’t care this is way better than chibnalls era by a lot.
Yikes
I knew when Gatwa was announced as The Doctor they were gonna have some form of rasicm against him in an episode. There were similar moments with Martha, Bill, Yaz and Ryan in their respective seasons but with The Doctor I knew it had to be a whole episode. While Dot and Bubble is not one of my favorites, it definitely was a solid way to introduce The Doctor facing Racism.
The video is stretching it with the references. 😆
It seemed a few days ago everyone hated this show for its sucky writing. Now we've all gotten used to it like I knew we would, so can we all please shut up?
this looks like cancel culture to me, that being said, racism and cancel culture are pretty similar
I doubt many racists would have chosen to watch this episode, so I struggle to see who this message was for. It would have been more interesting had the antagonist been a political leader making questionable judgements/policies with race being the driving factor, like Trump or Priti Patel. This was pretty much preaching by numbers.
As others have pointed out in various discussions, part of the message is how insidious prejudice is (not just racism, there are others forms of prejudice as well, of course): even people who oppose it might miss it when it's right in front of them. Which is an important lesson for those of us who regard themselves as non/anti-racists. We might miss the cues in real life just as we did in this episode. Another point is that supremacism and racism are harmful to the racists, not just to those they act against. These people are basically going to die because of their own racism, not because of racism directed against them. Which is a point that even anti-racists don't always get
In addition to the (very good) reply above mine, it’s also worth remembering that Doctor Who isn’t just for adults! I can see this episode being a really good way to teach older children about racism, as well as teaching younger teens who are just starting to use social media how to spot common dogwhistles used by reactionary groups (like the ‘taming the wilderness like our ancestors’ rhetoric).
@@ugolomb I think its great when a white showrunner/writer looks to teach us about blatant or subliminal prejudice in a show of which the hand-picked production main staff of his are a white script editor, white director, 5 white producers, 2 white cinematographers, white casting director, white editor, white 2nd unit director, white production designer, white main camera and dolly operator, both white makeup artists and all the 7 white heads of the art departments. If the episode wins an award it’ll be fascinating seeing all of those faces up on stage holding the award wagging their finger at society.
Or maybe they should have approached it from the Morgan Freeman view who famously said “How are we going to get rid of racism? Stop talking about it” But what would he know about it, RTD knows best🙄
taming the wild isn't racest is it it more in the context of fine time I guess
I think that's a reference to colonizers or something. It didn't make much sense, after they had been told their whole lives (or since they got to the colony) not to go into the forest.
It’s a reference to a common eugenicist dogwhistle. There’s a specific type of far-right internet user who idolises a heavily fictionalised version of pre-medieval European history, specifically because they like the idea of a society where everyone is white, women never do anything except have babies, and anyone who isn’t ablebodied or neurotypical is left to die (none of which matches the archaeological data we actually have, but they throw a fit if you tell them that haha). So if you see someone online talk about ‘taming the wilderness like their ancestors,’ there’s about a 99.999% chance that’s what they’re talking about.
So when casting this episode they said, sorry we can’t have any POC in this episode and we can’t tell you why.
Sorry but this is b*llsh*t.
They looked back at the episode and retrofitted a woke story to create controversy.
Being woke is a good thing, look up the definition lmfao
It’s very telling that you’re criticising the criticism of racism in the name of dismissing social injustice
The opposite of "woke" is "sleep" and those who want a white-supremacist, male chauvinist society (or ethnic equivalent in the Philippines or India) want good people to go back to sleep so they won't stop it.
What a stupid show. It's like bad preaching. No one is converted, but it makes the choir happy.
Tf you on about
@@NotAgnor The show sucks. It's bad writing. "White people are racist" is the message, because, hey, it's Disney. And what did we learn today? Disney is racist!
We need Steven back RTD makes these so cringe
What part of this do you NOT understand??? I say this to the genius l have the thumbs down to.
You seem like the type of person who this episode was particularly directed for
Agreed, the 60th was supposed to fix Doctor Who this constant political message crap is beyond a joke
@@absolutechap3961 this wasnt even noticeable till it was mentioned tho lol and doctor has been policitcal since it started
Did you not watch Boom...