Does Natural Immunity protect well against Omicron?
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- Опубліковано 21 тра 2024
- I review the recent peer-reviewed Cleveland clinic study which is a follow-up to their original study looking at natural immunity in all employees at the Cleveland clinic. They look at rates of infection in people who are vaccinated, have natural immunity as well as hybrid immunity in their population through the alpha, delta and omicron waves.
Cleveland clinic study: academic.oup.com/cid/advance-...
Lancet correspondence: www.thelancet.com/journals/la...
00:00 Intro
00:24 Original Cleveland Study
01:50 New Cleveland Study + Omicron
05:30 Reinfections + Boosters
06:40 Hospitalizations
07:14 Study Strengths
07:37 Study Weaknesses
08:17 Immunity + Summary
09:27 Author Summary
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Dr. Keith Moran MD, RCPSC, DABIM, RCS, NBE Biography:
I am a consultant in Internal Medicine with special medical interests in gastroenterology, cardiology, and echocardiography. I am a a full-time practising physician in these areas. I was an undergraduate at the University of Toronto, Trinity College where I received a number of scholarships including one for top student at Trinity College. I attended medical school at the University of Toronto graduating with a gold medal. My internship was completed at McMaster University in Hamilton followed by a residency in Internal Medicine at the University of Western Ontario in London. I then completed a fellowship in General Internal Medicine at the University of Western Ontario. I am an active echocardiographer who has been certified and recertified by the National Board of Echocardiography. I am certified in cardiac sonography and have trained and completely educated a number of cardiac sonographers. I am the medical director of my cardiology laboratory which was established in 2001. My laboratory performs echocardiography and stress echocardiography amongst other tests. I maintain my certification in the American Board of Internal Medicine. I have over 27 years of experience as a hospital-based consultant in internal medicine and intensive care unit attending physician.
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love you doctor :)
im full grown real man kinda man and im saying that. a brute you could say..
so its kinda odd and a big compliment.
...literally on the ground helping us. thank you bud. you could just be sitting in a cushy chair of money. yapping some bullshit like Faulci has done to us.
im also rather against doctor care btw. i believe in whats naural. if the body can fix it self, it should be allowed to try and fix it and if can't, ist sadly...fate. with minor doctor care being the exception of course. but so..its not often at all i find a doctor that i will actually go to...you are earning that from me :)
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The stark contrast between the messaging in this video, discussing the logical acceptance of 'protected' (whether natural or via vaccination), as opposed to the messaging coming out of the CDC and political figures, is remarkable. The institution tasked with providing policy guidance based on the most complete understanding possible seems to be experiencing a different pandemic from the 'real world' experience captured by basically every legitimate study. To recap, the CDC claims cloth masks are 56% effective, natural immunity doesn't count, and boosting is good for everyone ages 5 and up. The CDC needs to be held accountable for this level of incompetence.
The contrast I find even starker is the contrast between what doctor Moran is presenting (which clearly shows the value of vaccination), verses so many idiots in the comments section that seem to interpret this info otherwise.
@@gavinmcewen5896 I'm not sure one is more stark than the other but I can understand the point. That's where nuance comes into play.
Agreed. Real world studies based on micro aerosol infectious spreads, which is exactly what Covid is, show that cloth and surgical masks are only 13% effective, and N95 23% effective. The micro aerosols that spread Covid travel far and wide and live a long time, and are too small for even a properly fitted N95 to stop. An N100 respirator, the kind with a rubber face mask and inch thick canisters are better suited to stopping the inhalation of the micro aerosols, but some can still get through. This is from peer reviewed studies, not cherry picked reviews to fit the narrative.
@@gavinmcewen5896 But the data also clearly shows that if you were previously infected, and not vaccinated, your risks are lower than those who just had the vaccine and were never sick. The vaccines prevent hospitalizations far more than not getting one, but your risks are still greater of hospitalization than unvaccinated previously infected. IOW if you got it, you don't need a booster nor do you NEED to be vaccinated. If you never had it, then you should get the vaccination.
@@acdii Can you please post your references that show N95 masks are only 23% effective against covid? I would be very interested to see and verify this thanks. Because on the surface of it this claim of N95s being only 10% better than cloth masks, and covid "micro aerosols" being too small to be caught in N95s sounds like uneducated BS. Especially seeing as N95s are electrostatically charged so that they actually attract aerosol droplets and particles to be caught and stuck in their material (a bit like how a magnet attracts iron filings). So I'm really keen to see your info thanks!
I had 3 co-workers who all got covid in the past couple of months, and when they came back from work, they all felt like they had their teeth kicked in. All 3 were vaccinated. When my supervisor came back, he worked on 2 cars in the shop and went home for 2 more days before he could come back. One of my other co-workers took a couple hours to slowly work his way into even attempting to do anything, and my shop manager stayed out of the shop the whole first day, except to have a team meeting for 5 minutes.
I got covid in October 2020, and a week ago today, I tested positive. A day later my wife tested positive and a couple days after that my daughter was positive. None of us had been vaccinated, but both my wife and daughter were exposed to me in 2020 when I had it, and both were asymptomatic. My wife was tested several months afterwards and was positive for the covid antibodies, and I suspect my daughter would have tested positive for the antibodies as well, though we never had her checked.
All 3 of us basically had a head cold. Sinus issues, cough, runny nose, sore throat. My daughter and I had a low-grade fever for a day or so, my wife never had a fever. Inside of a week, we're doing fine, and I went back to work Monday and worked a full day in the auto care shop where I work and felt fine the whole day.
My wife is a type 2 diabetic and had 2 stints put in her heart in January 2020, just before covid hit.
Covid is beaten, and in a couple of years, I suspect it will be listed as one of the "common cold" viruses.
My wife and I are both 55 years old, and at this point, we have no intention of getting the vaccine, ever.
Thanks for sharing
If you loved your wife you would have protected her instead of taking a gamble with her life with her getting a low viral load.
@@GeorgiesGirlFPV I got covid originally in 2020 before the vaccine became available. We live in a 1066 Sq ft apartment and qete quarantined together. It's not like I had another place to go. It's not as if I had a basement to go stay in away from the 2 of them. We had no idea at the time there could be any possible complications for her. I thank my Lord God both of them were asymptomatic. I wouldn't have wanted either of them to go through what I did.
But in retrospect, what would you have had us do?
To if you loved your wife! What about her making her own decision, and if he would’ve forced her and she died this is a decision every individual has to make for themselves
Sorry for misunderstanding my comment was directed towards tornado
I'm unvaxed I had alpha, I did not catch delta or omicron, I think natural immunity is much better then even vaxed people because of the B cell and T cell memory.
My kids and I had the variant before Delta (Charlie?) and 12 months later got Omicron. The symptoms of Omicron were nothing (edit: barely would register as a cold) and lasted 2-3 days. Seems like the shot is growing more unnecessary if you've had the infection already... No plans to get any.
I sneezed 5 times.... 🙄
@@GlennRiccobono The vaccine risk is worst if you already had Omicron & the previous variant.
@@bernardtan1 that's my thinking too
Do you realise the vaccine also provides B and T memory cells - one of the key reasons vaccines work and reduce the chances of you getting severe illness!
I had the first strain before it was even identified (December 2019), tested positive for antibodies in April 2020, and haven't had it since. We moved during 2020 (NC to CT, I know, not the wisest decision), and while I've had other sinus infections; the test always comes back negative.
That doesn't really mean much. I have had the virus at all until i got omicron last week.
@@bakirev same!!!!
Protected or vulnerable, now that is clarity. Using the terms vaccinated or unvaccinated disregarded the variable of natural immunity.
Good job!👍
That's exactly why Big Pharma pays you if you use their terms - or else...
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Thank you for your kind words.
I did not know that skipping ads detracts from credit given to video presenter....please explain....because I always skip ads (hate them)
@@BCSTS I believe monetized videos make more money for the channel author if you don’t skip the ad.
I got Covid in September ( believe to be Delta) and it was a severe case , sick for 20 days with all the symptoms and Covid Pneumonia. Then tested positive again On February 7th ( Omicron ), I got it from my son who was not vaccinated and no previous infection. He was sick for 10 days with high fever ( 103) and all the normal symptoms. I was sick for 3 days with a really stuffed up nose and sneezing ( those are the only symptoms I had ). I tested with both Antigen and PCR , both were positive. I tested then with antigen day 3 ( still positive ) day 4 and 5 I was negative. I'm sure that previous infection kept my symptoms very mild this time.
Are u vaccinated
@@MariaOrtiz-il9fq No I am not
I sneeze a lot and have stuff nose since beginning, 2020. I guess i never cured my cv19, if...my badge of honor never being tested
@@anairenemartinez165 have you had any ear problems??
1 thing that should also be factored in when vaccinating after covid infection is that you will most likely get ill from the shots since you already have antibodies.
My husband was forced to get the shot ( he chose J&J) to keep his job ( I was against it but it was his "choice") . His side effects were worse than his symptoms when he had Covid...
@@milenalm5288 My wife, who is a nurse also had to take the shot and got ill, the J and J was what she took too because she didn't have time to wait 2 weeks as she would have been suspended til the 2nd shot. They made her take it 40 days after having Delta variant covid in September, she contracted Omicron in January....lol... We were all asymptomatic with that 1. After taking the J&J shot she was on workmans comp for 16 days as they thought she had a possible clot in her calf which resolved in about a week, oddly enough though, 1 of her symptoms when we had Delta was sore calvs... go figure.
Another great video! Thanks for,sharing the study. The graphics depicting the infected groups were really useful.
Yes.... The human body comes with an imunity system built right into it.
It has done its job very well for many tens of thousands of years.
No you must get untested gene therapy shots, doesn't matter if you don't need it! How is big pharma supposed to make money? Don't you care about their profits? How are they supposed to make big donations to the government and fight their lawsuits?
@@atodaso1668 The vaccines are not gene therapy. How about looking up what gene therapy actually is.
You, the immune system does not always fight off pathogens and people die. The system was not too good at preventing the estimated 500+ million people that dies of smallpox. No smallpox anymore because of a vaccine! 5+ million people have died of covid. The immune system was not too good in protecting them!
@@Memphis2010GFC no traditional vaccines are not gene therapy, where did I say they were?
@@Memphis2010GFC Do you think I'm against all vaccines for some reason? I have all the proven shots. This virus is highly survivable for anyone under 60. That's why the average age of death from covid is higher than the average life expectancy.
Thank you, Dr. Moran. Thank you for explaining various terms as you progress through your presentation. It's meaningful to learn how doctors understand a given term versus how the general public largely understands them.
Also, I am encouraged to learn that "protected" vs "vulnerable" ('immune' vs 'non-immune') is emerging as a more accurate description of COVID risk (by some) than "vaccinated" vs "unvaccinated".
Thanks for kindness and clarity
Very informative. Thank you. I love what you said about the way we categorize people. I dislike the categories: vaxxed or unvaxxed bc its adversarial and one side is a scapegoat for why the pandemic continues. But If you have survived it with your own natural immunities why should you be made to take it?!
Agreed, which is more dangerous, an overconfindent but licensed vaxxed super-spreader or an unvaccinated but asympomatic previously infected individual?
@@haroldwilkes6608 we do not know long term anything yet.. but we are starting to hear a lot about injuries?
Maybe first in line isn’t always the best thing?
Anybody see the huge bonus the boss at Pfizer got?? tells you all you need to know about the money involved to keep this farce going as long as possible. TALK ABOUT THE GOLDEN GOOSE.
@@kennethdavies8610 True and liability was waived so they can't be sued.
I had COVID in June 2020 with mild symptoms for 12 days and contracted Omicron in January 2022 and had low grade fever for less than 36 hours and had the sniffles for another 4-5 days or so. I am 57 with no underlying medical issues and not vaccinated.
I had covid in December 2020 with mild symptoms. For about 12 days also. I'm 66 with no underlying conditions and unvaccinated. I never got delta or omricon. I have natural immunity also
I am not vaccinated and prior infected. Just to share our experience: Today I / we recovered officially from omnigron after having my first Infection of COVID (. With alfa Maybe delta) 10 month ago. Last weak I tested my self....more with the idea to be beter safe than sorry ......as I had a Business appointment....and I tested positive. Without having symptoms....the official PCR was also positive.......The same for my wife and children....this weak We all developed only very minor symptoms/ almost asymmetric. ....so I conclude: one of the best ways to get protection is by natural infection. And vaccination have to stay a free choose of will and not mandated.
Do you know your VitD3 blood level?
Thanks for sharing.
2 data points is not enough for a proper conclusion. Thanks for sharing an anecdote but it isn't really how studies work sorry.
And you need to have in mind that the PCR test gives positive even to plants and fruits, and that is not a joke. The PCR is not by far a test in which people can trust. And yes, you are right, natural immunity is the strongest and the only wise way to give possibilities to the community. Be dependent of vaccines turns our perfect system into a weak. Obviously, we are talking about some kind of virus, not all, but corona is the case.
@@DavidNietoM You didn't look at the data from the study. The number of people infected with natural immunity is only slightly under those vaccinated, despite 7 times as many people vaccinated as had natural immunity. Natural immunity is around 7 times worse at protecting you than the vaccine is.
thank you for posting Dr. Moran * thumbs up *
Greetings from Malaysia Dr. Thanks your variant reports, I always like to share your video on my FB friends, may God bless you Amen
Thanks for sharing!
Very nice talk, doc! I'm a physician who is pretty selective in whom I'm recommending the vaccine for and am very willing to work with patients who decide NOT to get the vaccine. It's amazing that not long ago, to argue for natural immunity was to be written off as a stooge or a 'denier' or another such derogatory terms. Glad the studies are finally catching up with medical/ evolutionary common sense. Curious about your thoughts on something, please. Now that we're in the age of Omicron. If someone has been infected with Omicron is there a benefit to being vaccinated? I ask, because the vaccines were done with the older variants in mind, but I'm not so sure they will have as much of an impact moving forward. Thanks, again for a very good, straightforward, video.
Thanks for commenting Cayenne. I have been talking about natural immunity for a long time on my channel and probably have the most extensive Playlist of videos reviewing it on UA-cam. It's still early to know if What sort of protection someone would have who has been infected by omicron. I would think that the protection against symptomatic reinfection for a time would be good against very similar variants and extremely high against severe disease but this remains to be seen. If the next transmissible variant is very different from omicron such as one that has similarity to delta then you're going to see a degree of immune evasion from their "omicron natural immunity" leading to symptomatic reinfection. The hope would be that severe disease would still be preserved. The most important thing, and always has been, is preventing severe disease and the best way of accomplishing this given a virus that is going to continue to mutate probably for years to come and hopefully less virulent. Best regards to you and thank you for all the work you do.
Answer your own question of you are indeed a doctor. Of course NOT! The symptoms are very mild except for those already in horrible shape so the vaccine only delivers risk not any real benefit to protect against the mild Omicron - mild with or without prior infection or so called “vaccination”. Glad your work with people and THEIR choices as any doctor should.
@@entrequest76 good morning, smarty-pants. I’m asking, because it makes perfect sense to you and me, but there are many hospital workers who have documented infections who are being coerced into getting vaccinated. The reason given is that natural immunity is “too variable,” which, to me sounds like hospital leadership more intent on forcing people to get shots rather than following the science. Hope that clarifies.
@@cayennepeppa707 I couldn’t agree more! Until we squarely face the science (including RCT studies) for profit and drugs for profit dilemma along with regulatory capture and buying two bit slimy politicians we simply aren’t going anywhere. Many are dead for ZERO reason.
@@cayennepeppa707 I am having a challenge when it comes to trusting doctors. Whether they realize it or not they have been managed by powerful actors which include the government in the form of the CDC and NIH and their own “leadership”, and licensing authorities, etc.
The science and art of medicine has been severely compromised.
I had an elderly relative at Loyola Medical Center here near Chicago who died from SARSCoV2. While she was dying (no one predicted anything but and she was not given early treatment just sent home like so many) I argued for use of ivermectin and high intensity vitamins, flumoxamine, etc.
Here is who I argued with as she lay dying and without visitors of course: the doctor on duty, the ID crowd (the absolute worst) etc. and finally the head of medical for this university hospital and the two others they own and manage.
He was polite, even gracious and accepted the studies I provided around the awful drug Remdesivir. He admitted the studies and the WHO are correct and the drug provides little to no benefit. He then refused to allow any deviation form the NIH protocol.
This is NOT medicine this is malpractice.
He made clear all Trinity hospitals would continue to follow this protocol that has such a disastrous record.
He strongly resisted the idea that there was a legal issue (he is a liar). I contacted legal and they were very careful to couch everything word and phrase to, of course, protect their client.
All agreed at that time, last January 2021) that the NIH protocol and no early treatment was the way to go.
Worse than snake oil as it simultaneously prevents early let alone preventative measures and blocks any treatment that could work.
I feel sorry for you and the other doctors that have allowed one of the most important and noble professions to be taken over by slimy politicians and researchers with zero clinical experience (Fauci is an example) who are steered by corporate interests.
Disgusting not to mention deadly.
One GOOD ID doctor (a woman which I think matters) tried to write a
Script and reported that for the first time in her career an FDA approved drug was blocked in the hospital system - she couldn’t try ivermectin even if she wanted to.
ALL completely true.
So forgive my smarty pants attitude as someone has to see through this absolute propaganda aka bullshit!
Thank you so much for this great video. I had Delta in November, unvaccinated. I did have a minor case of pneumonia but made it it through. My drs keep pushing me to get vaccinated so I'll have " super immunity" they say. I have thought about exactly what you taught in the video. I have immunity.
If you had already Delta, Omicron is a piece of cake.
Not reason to take a vax now if you didn't before.
@@fabiano6408 oh yes so true. My whole household had it including my children. Each child literally just had a headache and one had a fever. Their doctor is bugging me to get them vaccinated and I told her to mind her business. Not necessary. They had very minor cases thank God.
Ask what they base super immunity off of. Is it some total number of antibodies, or are they just expecting people live with maxed out antibodies at all times? We don't do that for any other pathogens that we use vaccines for. What if you only need 5 times the amount the tests show as a positive antibody count? Why would we need so much overkill? Our immune system aren't designed to maintain max counts all the time.
@@warrenkbaum thank you for that. That's very informative. I will definitely talk to my doctor.
@@jennychavez2436 it's unfortunate they are prescribing yet not basing anything of scientific studies. Ask what the titer count needs to be for protection. Bet the dr won't know, because there isn't any data studying it yet. You may have plenty of antibodies, so if you ram up more, for no reason, it may trick your immunsystem, or confuse it, so it actually won't perform correctly when. You really need it to. They are beginning to study what happens when people take x amount of boosters, because of this. We normally take a booster because the antibodies drop so low, and memory cells almost completely go away, thus we need a booster, since the body wouldn't know how to respond to an infection. Remember, these boosters are not adjusted for new variants the same way the flu shot is. They know ramp you up for a variants tha no longer is current, and hoping it's good enough to help your body. Plus it's only for the spike protein protection, which is very limited compared to how the recovered immunity protects.
I had Covid in August 2020. So did most of my family. We all live in the same house. None of us got Delta. My wife and daughter got Omicron in January. Both recovered. I did not get Omicron even though we were in close quarters. I still had high antibody levels in Sept. 2021. I don’t know if this was a factor. I can say that my wife took Therapeutics when she first got Omicron. She fully recovered in about three days without any lingering fatigue. She went from lying in bed with a fever to shoveling snow for hours without fatigue. I know this is anecdotal but we believe it helped her. My daughter recovered without therapeutics as well but not as dramatically.
It's self-evident from this and other data that the vaccines are not prophylactic, providing only temporary therapeutic value. Which declines because the virus evolves. Why is the focus on developing the next mRNA vaccines without fully knowing, as with past vaccines, the risks from these vaccines? Given this data, should there not also be an effort to develop and use monoclonal antibody therapies for viral mutations having significant health risks for individuals? What's the downside to monoclonal antibody therapies?
Thank you once again for a very unbiased, data-based video which is invaluable for so many of us.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you for everything.💫
Thanks for sharing this informative view Dr. Moran
I had Delta in September. Was achy two days and lost my taste/smell for four days. Other than that, being tired was my only symptom. (Caught it from a double vaxxed family)
Two days ago I caught Omicron (from my triple vaxxed brother) and had two HOURS of achy, and nine HOURS of lost taste/smell. Meanwhile, my triple vaxxed brother was still sick (and spreading) eleven days after he tested positive. Neither of us were hospitalized but His case was far far worse than both of mine combined.
"Symptomatic Covid" does not mean the same thing as you think it means.
Thanks for sharing 🙂
There has been little discussion on acquired immune disorders from the jab.
Thank you, Dr Moran.
Thanks for watching!
Blessings Dr Moran I had Covid in march of 2020 not vaccinated had really bad symptoms headaches chest pain chills body aches about 2 weeks sick then was fine I’m still not vaccinated and now have Omicron been sick for about 5 days but nothing like the first time i have sore throat a little cough chills and back pain but I’m able to do my housework and I’m fine 🙂 I’m healthy and young not planning to get vaccine 💉 too much bad side effects
Speedy recovery 🙏
On top of that, we need to take into account fitness in determining whether someone is vulnerable.
The fact that health units, governments, study authors, and doctors have to mention not getting infected to get immunity just shows how misunderstood and politicized this is.
All those of us that have been infected want is recognition that our bodies have made anti-bodies to the virus (exactly what the vaccine does) and that we should be “allowed” to participate in society and god forbid-be able to provide for our families.
For a doctor (mine specifically) to flat out say I “am not protected” because I’ve had c-19 is to deny biology. If I “wasn’t protected” then how did I recover? I would either be perpetually sick with covid, or dead.
This is why people are losing trust in government/pharma/medicine.
All we ask is that doctors do what you do, actually look at new information and discuss it. Not try to gaslight and railroad us like most others.
You may want to look for a new medical practitioner. The one you have now seems to be paid by the big pharma.
This is a real doctor , thanks for sharing
Thanks for watching!
Wish you covered all aspects of the news😊 Thanks so much.🐾🇨🇱🇺🇲
I have tried covering more aspects of the COVID news with more videos in January and February but unfortunately there's not much of an appetite for that on my channel.
Hi Dr Moran. Great Channel Thanks for all the information. - QUESTION - Is there a PROBLEM with LONG TERM PERSISTANCE of mRNA Spike Proteins in the body following vaccination? Thank You
@Will R Thomson Thanks...
Thank-you. THANK-YOU. Thank-you.
I am a HEALTHCARE HERO turned into ZERO “resigned with cause” by “governor “ Hochul in NYS for non-compliance. I had COVID, recovered and have NATURAL IMMUNITY with no further reinfection despite close contact with DELTA in July 2021 and January 2022.
My infection was March to April 2021 with no previous or subsequent vaccination and NO intention to ever do so.
Basically, I am the “grandma” you didn’t kill.
Thank you for these accurate data !
Thank you Dr.Moran,God bless you🇲🇽
Thank you Dr Moran
You are welcome!
thank you so much doctor! I got delta last may, not severe symptoms, just two days of low fever. I wanted to wait for the vaccine hoping here in Italy can we have an inactivated virus vaccine and not only the mRNA ones
Hi Doctor Moran.
Could you look at the study in 'Vaccine' (jan2022 I think) that showed, based on US dept of Vet Affairs data, a 1 in 1000 chance of being hospitalised if vaxxed after infection? If so there seems a real risk to being vaccinated if you already are safe due to adaptive immunity. Thanks.
:) Dr. Moran, thank you for your videos!
Could you please investigate what is going on with Covid antibody testing in USA? Why are we not allowed to check our antibodies? I tried to schedule CVS appointment, they called me day before and cancelled my appointment, because I was vaccinated half a year ago. We also can't buy any lateral flow AB tests in US, even as a lab (we are not CLIA, just regular lab). It's very strange.
you're welcome.
I can't speak to what's happening in your community and it's obviously going to be different in different communities and countries. Some tests need to be requisitioned by a physician and other tests have "rules" over who qualifies. In some instances, you can directly pay out-of-pocket for the tests with or without a requisition.
@@MedicinewithDrMoran :) Thank you! I'm in Massachusetts, and I can't get home test or CVS test for some reason. I will investigate more!
Have you checked LabCorp? I paid $6 in Sept and Nov to check antibodies. You answer a handful of questions and then approve/deny your request. It's a walk in appt and you get your results in 1-3 days.
Because the higher ups don't want the truth to come out?
Lab Corp runs AB test
I am 23 months out from my previous infection. My Labcorp antibodies are 776. I had had the cytokine storm. Compared to my friend who had delta in October and only has 250 antibodies. I'd like to hear more about this. I wonder if long haulers have higher antibodies?
I'd also like to know how many people lose feeling in their legs. I have 3 close friends/relatives that know someone who lost the ability to walk. 2 had pervious infection then vaccinated. My client just had vaccine.
My favorite part about Dr. Moran's UA-cam videos is that he seems to avoid politics.
Dr. Moran, this is what I am serious and certain to say: through all of this "pandemic" I have had no symptoms, and nothing that might even be considered anything like a symptom. I'm certain that my type O blood has definitely been the main thing that makes me entirely more immune to any of the COVID-19 virus and all it's variants. I appreciate your time and information on your videos. Thank you, and keep it up!
jeez what the hell makes you think that
I'm 0+ and caught covid twice as unvaxed. very mild flu, but i think there is more in your body protecting you than the simple blood type
wow who knew that type O people never got ill, LOL please at least keep it vaguely scientific
I have seen studies showing a protective effect against serious covid-19 for people with blood type O. However, this should not be viewed as immunity to the pathogen. Plenty of people with type O blood have gotten Covid-19 and and died. It is interesting that some people seem to sail through life without getting the usual head colds, flu, etc. I too have been fortunate in this regard. I’m in my 50s and I occasionally have had a scratchy throat during cold and flu season. I haven’t ever called in sick to work in 30 years. I attribute my good fortunate to random luck.
@@samuelbonacorsi2048 I've seen many studies showing that if you are a healthy weight, exercise regularly do not have co morbidities and not vit D deficient you will barely notice you had it or get it V mildly
Thank you for your in depth analysis. I recently saw the JAMA study showing increase myocarditis is elevated 133x, so confused on you comment regarding “ minimal risk” of myocarditis. I don’t think VAERS reporting is accurate as it’s always been pretty bad. Thank you.
I wish my physician at Cleveland Clinic had read this study.
Their research does not translate into their own hospital policy or patient care.
I have natural immunity. Got omicron from my girlfriend. Very direct and prolonged contact. Was “sick” aka swollen lymph nodes and tired for 2 days. She was vaccinated and sick for 2 weeks. Seems like it works well against bad outcomes
Same here. I had a runny nose for 2 days, my triple vaxxed roommate had a full fever and sounded like he got deep throated by a horse.
I think I just recovered from it (not test) and I had a stuffy nose for days, that's it. I had Delta last summer.
@@eddystar9816 I had Alpha before the vaccines were even available, I was tired for 3 days and had some muscle pain, that was it! My coworkers that were fat smokers that got out of breath walking up 4 steps, and ate fast food for lunch everyday also got it. Zero went to hospital, although a few were sick for over a week.
Good to know. I'm still **100% un-jabbed** even tho my age & demographics place me at high risk. I caught Alpha prior to vax, and needed to nap for four days, other than that I felt normal. I think I just caught Omicron, and it was FAR milder than even the lightest Cold. This entire time: I have been doing daily doses of: Zinc, D3, Ascorbic Acid (Vit C or apple cider vinegar) pink salt and electrolytes. p.p.s I was planning on getting vax'd before winter virus season, but now that we are half way through and Omicron illness was so VERY MILD, I don't think I will. Why solve a non-problem? Why take the slight risk that is inherent? p.p.p.s I get out everyday and do mild to moderate exercise in Sunny Cali. Landscaping. Mtn biking. Dog training. Bumping elbows with other geriatrics. All while avoiding gender entanglements ;)) lol
you can't compare two data points with the massive study described in the video
got the first edition of covid quite early on april 2020, barely felt any symptoms other than lost of smell for few weeks. exposed several times after that to people who got infected, including delta variant. none got me reinfected as far as I know since I didn't felt any symptoms or whatsoever.
around 3 weeks ago, spent time together with relative. few days later, we got similar symptoms like headache, sore throat, light cough, and bit tired. she tested positive, while I turned out negative.
my symptoms gone around a day after the test.
while she still had it, still tested positive week after.
she was fully vaccinated.
while I chose to not taking the jabs knowing I already infected previously and barely felt thing.
You are lucky you have a no consequence choice.
Hundreds of thousands of New Zealanders were mandated, and tens of thousands have lost their jobs, by the PM who in late 2020 said there will be no consequences of refusing the jab.
If the spike protein has changed so drastically what is the point of boosting with the vaccine which is for the original spike protein? Also as omicron is so mild why vaccinate at all if you've had a previous infection?
Hey so I’m a 24 year old male with two Pfizer doses, last dose in July 2021. Uncertain whether I’ve been infected yet or not. I have not gotten boosted yet as I worry about the myocarditis risk. Based on the data I’ve seen soo far, a yearly booster appears to be appropriate for my situation but I wonder if you can address this topic in a future video (if there is evidence to back it) as to booster frequency for different age groups and other relevant criteria. Thank you!
quality information... no spin!!
"Protected", or immune, can also be extended to those with...
1. A good healthy immune system
2. Fit and healthy diet
3. Lots of sunshine
4. Protective treatments readily available.
Jabbing therefore in those ppl would be a waste of time, and much higher risk of vax injury.
This is the best, long term protection, and you physicians are NOT clearly elucidating this often enough.
Good job 😊
As I understand, with most traditional vaccines, there is usually 3% of individuals vaccinated that will not have an immune response to the vaccine. They will believe they are safe and vaccinated but are not. The only way to confirm an immune response is to do a titre for antibodies which is rarely done.
Thanks for commenting. The argument that some have had against natural immunity is that it can be variable with respect to antibody response but it's no different with vaccination as you point out. We don't understand everything about how our immune system response to antigens. Antibody levels which are neutralizing are helpful to providing reassurance but you can in fact have undetectable antibody levels after natural immunity and still be protected. I made one video on that previously. The cellular arm of the immune system (T cells) are what protects against severe disease and that is much more difficult to measure.
only 3%🙄
Very good. Thank you
Is there any studies regarding adverse effects of the double jab? Was there any particular group who suffered more? Also would a regular annual influenza jab help to fight omicron rather than having the third jab? What is the risk of further adverse reaction to a booster after getting a bells palsy after the second jab?
What if I had a Sinopharm vaccine after recovering from Covid? Does it render similar protection?
Unfortunately we dont have access to mrna vaccines.
You are Fortunate not to have access to them imho
I wonder if this trend of variants kind of breaking apart from eachother (mutations?) And getting worse than the other will continue? It seems alpha was ok with vaccination then delta came and maybe stuff would be ok but omicron came midway delta and wiped that out, what if something wipes out omicron? This seems to be a trend. Do you think Omicron will keep mutations similar to now? I understand the virus is different but is it different enough is the question for mutation?
Thanks for an excellent summary of the current state of affairs. Of course, there will now be plenty of people who having had a previous infection will now have also had a very mild Omicron infection. I would expect that these people will now have very robust natural immunity, and once again derive absolutely no benefit from vaccination.
Very well described doctor.
I hope that the health pass that many country uses to access public spaces will be also given to previously naturally infected people. Recognition alone it will not help that category for social life.
Had Covid last July during a Delta wave (sick 10 days), got vaccinated by November (Sinopharm) and just got Covid again this February during an Omicron wave (sick 3 days).
Vaccinated is not 100% either
I did not hear about a massive campaign to enforce the immune system instead this lucrative of vaccination with 2, 3, 4 (and counting) doses. All we that survived to the first (my case), second or whatever variant, without vaccination, was because of a good immune system. Pharmafia always wins: prevent a disease is prevent their millionaire profit, health does not care.
Thank you doctor!!🙏🏻
How about covid x 2 mild cases with recovery? How strong is that vs just one covid case vs vaxed and covid?
The weaknesses in this study, as you have so correctly pointed out, would have been mitigated by blanket testing of all CC employees.....but only partially mitigated. Long term results of vax are an area of interest, and we're just beginning to learn some of the answers. Lastly, the US CDC has a political agenda that often results in less than appropriate recommendations to the public they are entrusted to protect. Thank goodness for doctors like you. Stay strong. Keep up the great work. We need you!
When will the liability shield be lifted?
I'm 30. I had my booster about a year after my primary series due to myocarditis. My sister was sort of upset and dismissed those concens.
Perhaps an argument can be made for vaccination six months after infection can be made, for higher risk groups, but is that still the case for younger people? Don't forget we're not bothered about preventing mild, but severe disease.
Thanks for valuable information. Im trying to find answers to my dillema by listening to experts. Im not vaccinated by choice. I got extremely sick in January 2020 and the doctor prescribed antibiotics .Over 6 months of pains. Today I'm fine. Im l overconfident by trusting natural immunity until endemic stage combined with updated vaccines arrives. By the way never went to the doctor again. These are difficult times.
Tank you
69-year-old (M) Aorta heart valve bio replacement double bypass 2014. Tested + last week of January 2020 (A) symptomatic zero symptoms. Wife moderate symptoms 67 years old moderate smoker double vacation October 2022 forced or lose the job. I will not take boosters. If forced I will take whatever retirement has to offer. Most likely will require social assurances. Or do jail time. As elder care. I'm done paying for political criminals. With large pensions after 7 years. WTF?
Thanks for your information. Are all the variants of Covid out there? That Is, can we get sick from the very first one and also the new ones?
This gives the different distributions of the COVID variants in the US as an example. Scroll down part way down the page. covid.cdc.gov/covid-data-tracker/#variant-proportions
thanks. what was the death rate?
Did they do all these studies before covid when ppl got the regular flu in flu season ??
Subscribe and am going to make sure to be sharing this channel.
its obvious that the world needs more of Doctor Moran!! :)
Agreed!! We’ll said.
But one point I’d like to make is:
the myocarditis risk after mRNA is not small. If you investigate the group of patients getting it: male, 18-30yrs of age, you’ll end up at a much higher risk of 1:2800 with post vaccination myocarditis.
I didn’t get reinfected with omicron so I assume natural immunity is better than artificial immunity.
@@CrisusAttucks I’m not afraid and I was fine when I acquired Delta back last year. I barely had any mild symptoms. I prefer natural immunity versus a V that no one knows the long term Ill health effects.
@@Delgitana There isn't any health effects from the vaccine unless you are allergic Arctic and natural movie that's not as good as vaccine you guys are 2 times more likely to Is covin multiple times compared to someone who's actually vaccinated, And you guys don't get as many antibodies as someone who's vaccinated and there be some represent don't even get antivirus after getting covid.
@@torryncoufal1847 less antibodies but a broad spectrum, igA which is only from recovery,T and B cell better trained as exposed to the whole patogen, and longlalsting IgG levels. having more antispike/19 antibodies is not helping you with new variants, having more diverse abodies pool will
I got covid in 2020 and again in 2021 and again last month - so whatever immunity takes place it did not work for me,,, and I have been vaccinated 3 times - so I have no idea what is going on. I got sick all three times pretty much the same. I just wonder what is coming next?
Be nice if there was a study showing the semi Quant AB counts at various time frames, after recovery. Show 2 weeks, so likely maxed on their scale, then every 3 months after. Break it down by the same, just vaccinated, recovered immunity only, and with both vaccination and recovery.
Would like to see the drop off rates, then if someone tests positive, they should have a record of their count within a 3 month time frame. Collect data about whether or not they show symptoms. If they are exposed, with no symptoms, they should show a major increase in their counts. Maybe we can learn how the counts can protect people, on average. Currently, they tell photo take a booster, but what is the scientific basis for that? Seems to me it's a guess, but we could be scientifically studying the process.
If you’ve had covid and then are exposed to the virus again months or a year later, does that act the same as a booster?
Yes, because your immune system will kick in very quickly ( memory t cells) and produce antibodies
I'm not vaxxed....my parents are both fully vaxxed and are incensed that I won't have it. I have hugged them nor been in their house ( where I spent many happy years) for nearly 2 years. Their source of information is independent sage. Personally this has tore our previously strong family apart. My parents seem to think that the unvaxed are not thinking about public health.....I can't see when I'll be able to hug them again. I'm tired and sad.... apologies for the personal nature of this....I just need an outlet.... thankyou and keep up the great work ❤️
You are not alone, my family are unvaccinated and have had covid and we have been treated like rejects from family and friends. I have never seen a vaccine do this before in my life.
I haven't seen my sister or my nephew's in two years because of the same reason. It hurts, alot. I've had Covid and refuse to get a vaccine for something I already have antibodies too. I'm also not vaccinating my kids! They've had two direct exposures to Covid now and haven't gotten sick or tested positive! Hopefully when all this is over (I have hope!) our families will see reason. Hugs! Your not alone!
"God heals doctor takes the fee" when my younger sister graduated from her study to be a doctor I gave her that advice to remind her of the essence of being a doctor. A doctor is someone who provides services and information to a patient for the patient to make an informed decision regarding their health/medical issues.
Doctors should never take away their patient's rights and freedom to make their own medical decision.
Doctors help their patients to make decisions and actions based on the truth, by giving the patients information based on the doctor's experiences and expertise.
When decisions and actions are made based on the truth it will lead to peace, prosperity, and life in medical terms will lead to cure and health.
When decisions and actions made are not based on truth it will lead to pain, suffering, and death in medical terms will lead to illness.
Decisions and actions made based on truth are what "God heals" means. Doctors got the privilege to become partners of God is what "Doctors takes the fee" means.
Amen.
And this agrees with the Israel, New York, and California studies. I do have a couple of points though regarding all this data that might be worthy of a discussion:
1) When they say they measure the incidence of symptomatic cases, it never seems to be stated how bad the symptoms are. Because surely at this stage, having 100 people whose symptoms are just a sore throat and tiredness isn't as bad as say 10 people who are having difficulty breathing and need to be put on oxygen therapy. I think some sort of stratification by symptom severity might make this even more accurate, e.g. mild, moderate, severe.
2) This brings me to the second point. If the re-infections or breakthrough infections are mild, does this really provide a compelling evidence to go and get vaccinated/boosted? At the end of the day we can never prevent re-infections or breakthrough infections as the virus will keep mutating and surely the realistic end goal always has been to get the disease down to a manageable level where it can be treated at home. So surely after exposure to COVID or getting two jabs of a vaccine is enough to protect a person against severe illness (so long as they're not immunocompromised).
Who as long as you're not I'm Uncompromised the vaccine will protect you, And will lower chance of getting covid and will also lower your chances of getting severely ill as long as you're not I'm I'm the only compromise so you're right about that and viruses mutate the more viruses mutate the harder it is for your immune system natural means system or vaccine immune system to fight off the virus.
So as long as you are not Is immune compromised you are protected.
@@torryncoufal1847 Yeah. For majority of people, after the first exposure to the virus, they have the right B- and T-cells in the blood, so they have protection against severe disease. Reinfection may happen with a variant such as Omicron that has a lot of mutations in the spike protein, but those reinfections are likely to be mild and short-lived.
WHERE was this natural immunity at the last pandemic, the black plague, small pox etc, some knobs will say these weren't viruses, no matter, the immune system is to attack any and all invaders, so where was it for these other outbreaks?????????????????????
Maybe I missed it in the video but did he say how many people in each group died?
Tested positive in late December asymptomatic tested negative 10 days later. Had a negative Antibody test 1 month later
I’m still not sure why vaccinations are forced upon people who are not in high risk groups. Your best chances are to get infected while you are young and strong, which can provide long-term immunity. The lower infection in vaccinated people is short-lived, as we have seen. Besides, mass vaccinations give rise to new variants, which has been shown by many studies now, something which has been accepted by the CDC now. The pushers (“doctors”) are still hard at work, extolling the “benefits” of vaccination. It’s like they are afraid to bite the hand (big pharma) that feeds them.
Maybe only one dose should be given to those who've already been infected? That might help reduce the risk of myocarditis, which tends to occur on the second dose. In the UK a lower dose of Moderna is used for the booster and isn't associated with myocarditis, so perhaps that should considered for those with prior infection.
or nothing as it is not necessary, i mean what do you think will be achieved?
I saw an interview on Dr Campbell's channel. He was interviewing a healthy active 22 year old guy who had horrible vaccine damage after the first shot of Pfizer. He had it 6 months ago and still isn't well. All sorts of chest pain dizziness and numbness. His doctors keep dismissing it as anxiety. Just another strike against the vaccine. I'll never get it. No way lol
GREAT reporting Dr Moran. The CDC refused due to the possibility, doing so, MAY reduce PROFITS.
finally covid vaccination explanation from a scientific point of view , not a political point of view
Im the only unvaxxed in my family. And the only one not to have gotten omicron...
One quibble, shouldn't the unvaccinated who became vaccinated during the test period be a separate subset? Good info though.
Harold, people in this situation were counted as unvaccinated for the number of days that they were unvaccinated and then once they became vaccinated (14 days after their 2nd vaccine) they were counted as being vaccinated. Many trials in medicine have people that cross over into other groups and we have to statistically account for that which they did here.
@@MedicinewithDrMoran Thank you, that clarifies it.
Dr Moran, are you aware of any studies of unvaxxed yet built up using vitamins?
I’m a 67yo who has spent over a week in company with symptomatic Covid cases. I am still Covid free!
I can share my regimen if you’re interested, and maybe you could comment or base a video on different testimonies of alternative methods of preventing Covid-19
I had the delta variant last year and this year I don't catch omicron yet... and I don't have any vaccine.
You should get the vaccine.
Good suggestion about using the terms 'protected or vulnerable'. Much less divisive than vaccinated and unvaccinated.
Dr. Moran for head of NIH.
Small objection to your analysis, wasn't the largest group at the start of the study vaccinated but not ill? Wouldn't that mean that as a percentage of the population of the study, they did significantly better than the covid infected but unvaccinated by percentage according to this study? The population infected twice but unvaccinated is a subset of the dark orange group is it not?
I have had Covid once when Covid went through roof in nsw like 100k a day and haven’t had it again and I catch public transport to and from work
Ah ha
The study has given lots of data
But it seems to me
It lacks information(maybe by design )I would be really interested in the number of people who died of covid only during this exercise
Vaxed
Unvaxed
And how many died of covid only
And how many died of covid and other complications
What side effects from vaxed
Don’t understand why this was excluded
Is ivermectin good for helping with bad omicron ?
I am full vaxx got covid not very mild then 5 weeks later got it again it was different symptoms and much stronger pain, very scary second time. Were was the immunity? I suppose to have. Hopping not catch it again.
Sounds like you're a immune compromised, Because most people only get mild symptoms That are fully vaccinated.
Not jabbed had Alpha 2 years ago then omicron more recently.
Omicron last 2 days very mild cold and a sore back.
Having natural immunity definitely lasts and is superior.