As another medical professional, this is exactly how we should have presented this information. The MSM/tech censoring the medical profession is what is most concerning.
How exactly is this unquantified "thing" you refer to as "MSM" and this other unquantified "thing" you call "/tech" preventing scientists from publishing science?
@@helmutsilver5006 Counter to narrative science still gets published, or at least pre-printed, even if it's harder to get support but at such an important time for science communication and with a need for accurate, balanced health risk analysis (for individuals or for groups), mainstrean media definitely sidelined (or eliminated) certain conversations and favored public policy messaging in lieu of free exchange of information, even from bona fide experts. Basically, some scientists and medical professionals weren't trusted to speak to the pubic, even with hard, balanced data while others preferentially were, and this was often enforced by policies and mindsets from tech and media companies. People weren't trusted, in general, to think critically or take a nuanced perspective on risk-benefit analyses. People weren't generally allowed to consider (without being shunned or digging through alternative media and capricious charges of misinformation) "things" like 1) possible lab-leak, 2) wear masks/don't wear masks 3) various possible and confirmed risks of newly developed "prophylactic interventions" vs actual IFR from COVID-19 for each risk group 4) "alternative therapies" and support for studies on these 5) early talk on nat. imm. 6) the changing calculations on group benefits with supposedly immunized people still spreading at similar rates as others 7) and a whole lot of other issues.
@@icygood101 Interesting... I've made two posts in two hours responding to responses to my comments and both posted... and then got deleted by Nurse John's people. Seems they worried that someone might write something rational. Super though, because the documentary evidence of censorship by Nurse John's people is quite revealing...
I am from austria but i never heard of Dr Pilz bc our government put the entire media under strict dystopic message control...very reassuring for natural immunity..the new israeli study seems to have the usual bias on the one dose....the WHO confirmed early 2021 over 90% had effective antibodies after natural infection..anyway you know story..now we have mandatory vaccinations in austria in a complete clown show our capital vienna just started to covid test the animals in the zoo.(...nope its not satire..the CT values are probably as transparent as with humans...
@@martincahill5622 bc they just check them for positive or negative to quarantine them and we have crazy masstesting every day in vienna with labs that have zero Quality assurance but direct gov Ties while costing the taxpayers billions
Thank you sir. This is why I signed The Great Barrington Declaration. All of this division among the vaccinated and unvaccinated and school closures could have been mitigated. I am from Ottawa🇨🇦 and my country is a mess right now. I am not sure for what at this point. Thank you for this interview
The country is a mess because third parties are behind the protesters trying to cause civil unrest. It's called "Divide and Conquer" and is a legit tactic for overthrowing governments. I'm taking my money out of Canada before it gets any worse :(
Again, fantastic show. Had Alpha in Feb.2020, Skated through Delta even while travelling extensively to Mexico an d the Carribbean and mingling with people from all over the world. Last month presumably Omicron infected, mild symptoms only. My wife and I both Unvaxxed.
I had 'something like flu' for 3 days in Jan 2020 and coughing up mucus for next 5 weeks. Heard about 'Covid' by then and started taking vit D (5000IU per day), vit C, Vit K2, zinc, as did my 90 & 91 yr old parents. No idea if any of us have been infected since - no symptoms. They (and my son) are jabbed - I am not. I'm 61, no co-morbidities, not obese, eat healthy and exercise daily (jog over Glastonbury Tor most days). I haven't worn a mask or 'distanced' anywhere - though often see masked people coughing, sneezing and sniffing in the supermarket. It all just makes me think that if there was the political motivation and we had been testing for Coronavirus to find 'cases' in previous years, we'd probably have been 'locking down' since my grandparent's days. The world would be even more crazy than it currently is! 😕
Wow, you two sound like you're living life in the way it was meant to be lived. If you ever come to New Zealand I have a room for you both. I'm unvaxed and perfectly comfortable letting my microbiome natural immune system deal with covid. To be honest as an outdoor adventure and motorsport enthusiast id be very surprised if it was a virus that buried me.
The saddest part to me is that most of what you discussed here has been know for over a year and as your guest pointed out, some before covid. Yet our public health institutions collectively ignored it or are ignorant in thier own fields.
The conclusion I've come to is, there is the science, there is the way the media chooses to convey the science and there is the politics. Thank you Dr Campbell for giving a evidence based approach to the science , which makes navigating this pandemic much more interesting and informative.
I think if you believe that media "chooses" to convey certain things you are at the very least naive. It's not the media that chooses what to say and what to censor. There is something much, much bigger behind media
@@Agiyi Hi, I am looking for some help from some people in this comment section that perhaps have seen more data than I have. Can someone who has had previous infection/natural immunity to covid... But in that initial infection they developed very mild pneumonia; can that lerson encounter covid again and develop pneumonia again? What I want to know is, if there is a reduced likelyhood of such a symptomatic infection occuring if the person does have prior natural immunity/infection.
@@DeltiBecker I don't know if you tagged me for a specific reason or you just tag people but anyway. I am not a doctor so I can't know, nor have I heard about a study on this exact question. But from what I've learned from Dr Campbell's videos, I would say that it's very unlikely. If someone developed pneumonia from covid I assume that they got infected by the Wuhan variant or delta. Natural immunity seems very strong so I wouldn't expect them to get reinfected with delta. But, we know that those delta antibodies aren't enough for the omicron, so they can get infected and be symptomatic with omicron. But omicron doesn't target the lungs, it's more like a cold, so I wouldn't be worried about getting pneumonia again. Again, I'm not a doctor, I'm just trying to piece together the studies I've seen, I could be very wrong.
Why risk horrible disease and death when you can gain immunity from vaccines? If 10% of people were immune to bullets, would you test that the hard way or wear a bullet resistant vest.
I don't think anyone who has had the vaccine would underrate natural immunity, but with natural immunity you have to take the risk of catching the disease in the first place and many people have died when they have failed to recover. People who have been vaccinated have preferred to acquire immunity in a safer way. And before you go on about vaccine damage, I have people in my family and friends who have had Covid damage and are still affected. You just have to weigh up the risks.
Not sure about Dr. Pilz, who is very far from a leader in the field of viral immunology (I'll take Dr. Shane Crotty, thank you very much), but the senior author on this review (i.e. this is only a review not a scientific paper with original research to substantiate a hypothesis) is the illustrious Dr. John Ioannidis who famously got it so very, very wrong early in the pandemic by positing public health officials were overreacting. Yes, he was correct to say we need more data (epic failure not to have the qPCR working by January or February of 2020) but with so much unknown, those making policy were wise to error on the side of caution. He chuckled at the notion that 10,000 deaths would be an overestimate and how would we not be able to tease out whether these deaths were due to SARS CoV-2 or Influenza. Then he chortles that it's science fiction for anyone to contemplate a scenario where the 68 deaths in mid March 2020 could in any way accrue to 680, much less, 6,800, 68,000, or 680,000. Yet here we sit with >1 million excess deaths in the U.S. in the last two years and realize that number would be higher had the SARS CoV-2 not become available in early 2021. So I would take "happy talk" that the virus is now endemic and life will be getting to normal from Dr. Ioannidis with a very large grain (boulder?) of salt. www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/
@@jaymorgenstern525 Interesting piece. Our response to C19 is one of the most bizarre things I've witnessed. I'm at a loss for words. The suppression of science and the silencing of scientists and Drs at the top of their field makes me want to go full rough conspiracy theorist. Mass incompitance.; but this can't be can it???
@@dr.stefanpilz1876 Why, when you can vaccinate an entire population without wasting time on calculating risks and prioritising risk profiles in defiance of the randomness of invisible risk factors, and everyone benefits from the augmented immunity... Do explain.
I am really enjoying this new format of interviewing professionals with the educational and practical background to give a more informed opinion of this pandemic. Thank you.
150,000 U.S. veterans a year after natural immunity: 72% increased risk of heart failure. 52% increased risk of stroke. 63% increased risk of cardiac arrest. Nature Medicine just published these findings. Let's see how long before Dr. Campbell devotes an entire video to this significant finding on the immense risks of natural immunity. ua-cam.com/video/n7j73GNIOTQ/v-deo.html
I had an antibody test done at a hospital in NY after 7 1/2 months from the original disease. No one was doing this yet (!). I was very glad to get it done there, as the test was first-rate and very detailed. At the time I had it, I only had .06 antibodies left. No vaccines had come out yet, and didn’t for another 2-3 months. I consistently got negative tests and traveled. At that point, I wanted to get a T-Cell test done. None were approved until May 2021. I had a blood test done for this when I finally could get one, but that usually only lasts in the blood for 6 months until it goes into the bone marrow. I’m convinced my antibodies have now gone into the bone marrow T-Cells (not sure that’s medically correct, lol). But it does seem as though I’ve been protected all this time by the natural immunity. I live with 5 people, some have gotten Omicron, but I haven’t, and I have a weak immune system to begin with. (CFS/ME). So, thanks for talking about this. I’ve felt like I’ve had these thoughts for years now, and no one was talking about this except you, Dr. Campbell! So, thank you both for this podcast tonight. Very encouraging!
i'm still getting positive antibody test as much as 16 months later. My next test is this month (I am part of a study). My antibody levels have hardly waned during this time frame.
I get antibody tests every 2-3 months. I had infection in March 2021. Last test at end of Dec 2021 (9.5 months later) says that I still have high antibodies.
Eric Presser you do not have to do test and test .. after a while u do nit have antibodies but since u were sick like me last April.. we have the Lymphocytes memory T and B .. if we get sick within 24 hrs they react and create the antibodies!
That was an absolutely great discussion!! So encouraging and positive. Thank you both for the straightforward explanations, and the clarity on the somewhat confusing stage of the pandemic that we are in now. All the mis- and disinformation has muddied the waters, and added uncertainty for the vast majority of us, who are not immunologists! So thank you for finding reliable data, and people who can make it easy to understand, and spending the time to lay it out for us.
@@renweb1332 most likely. I hear so much misinformation from people watching TV or listening to radio. And there's no point in trying to reason or question these pseudoscientific narrative. I am learning about human mind more than any other time in my whole life.
This was so fascinating. The ease and comfort and clear mutual respect the two of you display in the conversation was like sitting in a pub, listening wide eyed to the two of you as we all shared a beer! 😊🍻 Much gratitude to you both! Cheers!
It's so sad that you both have to be careful of every word you say. I find it so ridiculous that "cancel culture" has silenced so many intelligent doctors and scientists who have so much to contribute!! Thank you to ALL who are trying to put out honest information and data.❤
@@MsGarnet77 People do get harmed by the vaccine? Who? Who specifically has been harmed "by the vaccine." I can point you to someone harmed by not having the vaccine... Scottish video game developer Stewart Gilray... He was harmed very, very badly by not having the vaccine. His wife and children are pretty harmed too.
Question from a 61 year old curious Canadian. If I as a layman can understand this, what is the issue with our public health officials and policy makers? I have spent the last 2 years seeking and finding easily imformation from honest sources like yourselves, thank you. With a big dose of common sense, minimal effort, and a belief that we are most responsible for our health my 65 year old wife and myself managed to stay C-19 free until the o-cron hit. Other than instituting a vitamin regimen and making maybe a 30% imrovement in our diet we have taken no other preventative measures. I am confident we have immunity at least equal to any man made immunity. I don't understand why our rights are more restricted than other members of our society.
Don't you have to have had the virus in order to become immune to it? If you haven't had it, then you can't be immune to it. Of course you might have had it very mildly, but how would you know? I did not want to be a carrier of the virus to my 90 yr old MIL so have been triple vaxxed and apart from a 3 day cold in Jan 2020 and a three day cold in Jan 2022, have kept really healthy, still gone shopping all the way through, with a mask though. I am nearly 70. Haven't even bothered with vitamin regime as we always eat a balanced healthy diet.
@@patriciaboies8298 "just take the vaccine" is a lot like: "brexit means brexit" or "Build back better" they are now just meaningless slogans endlessly repeated by people who do not understand the full implications of these statements.
Thanks for the wonderful discussion once again, and the reminder of how wonderful our immune system is created to be, to tackle diseases in efficient, coordinated, intelligent and wholistic ways. I find it very sensible that a multi-pronged approach is advocated, where individual responsibility for health is emphasised, because that translates to better quality of life with robust natural immunity overall to face off myriad diseases that may present themselves in our lifetimes. Thanks once again for hope and illumination during this period of time, Drs! Though you are drs in different disciplines, I am really inspired by your quest for knowledge and understanding, and your use of your professional expertise to educate and share your knowledge and insights with us. I am also deeply touched by your humility in acknowledging the complexity of our immune system which scientists and medical professionals are still discovering to this day, and for striving to understand and appreciating it. It is so refreshing and edifying to see medical professionals like you who respect the wonders of our body's complex systems to deal with diseases and threats to our well- being! Thanks once again for an informative and enlightening session.
Excellent viewing as usual. Thank you to you both. As an aside, I'm always absolutely astounded by other nations capability of speaking our language so well, particularly when the subject is so technical. I hold my head in shame!
This pandemic is trying to end but our leaders can't take yes for an answer. Why they want to prolong it is not due to science or medicine, and that leaves only 1 thing.
@UCOeKfLtmx2Dvja0JVB6zFdw Politics. The politicians want the power to reward friends and punish enemies. This is a rare weapon in a free country, and they don't want to give it up.
I had the "original" in July of 2020 with the only symptom being losing taste and smell. Never had a vax. Actually, no vax since the childhood smallpox and polio vaxes in the 1950s. I am now 74 years old and work a cashier job being exposed up to 1000 people per week> I live in a part of the USA that has really not done anything in the way of masks, barriers social distancing. Only 36% of my county have been vaxxed. If I was going to be reinfected, I think I would have been by now
This was one of the most informative discussions I have seen regarding the stage of the pandemic we have reached. The discussion regarding the natural immunity is one ALL government health advisors would do well to listen to.
Thank you both. I'm impressed by Dr Pilz not dishing out information on things he doesn't claim to be an expert at. It makes all his other statements believable
Thank you so much for sharing this eminent doctors time and expertise with us, I personally have been nudged into taking my pre diabetic warning more seriously, so I am grateful to you and the good doctor for that.
Thank you Dr. Campbell! Your focus and information has been remarkably valuable since the onset of the C-19. Keep educating the masses - natural immunity continues to be ignored by the global leadership and needs to be part of the consideration and programs for treatment.
All the things we weren't allowed to talk about. All along the vaccines should have been for the vulnerable and it should always be a choice. Hello from a second class Canadian citizen ✌️
@@julieleduc631 and it was fairly obvious even at the beginning of the “pandemic” that the vaccines should have been only for the vulnerable. And now the vaccine is totally superfluous. Stay strong!
I am a female 58 my fiancé 63 year old male. Neither vaccinated. Both of us tested positive in mid January. I ended up with a secondary sinus/ear infection. Both of us are fine.....here is to natural immunity!
Similar, wife and I mid 60s, not vaccinated. Severity was like a bad cold. We have been taking vitamins and had access to IVM. Despite what the doctor said, I do think Omicron is intrinsically milder than previous variants, as friends infected with Delta were much sicker, as the virus got into their lungs which was never the case for us.
@@originalkk882 Hi so glad both of you are also in good health. We did not have IVM. I am thankful we did not get any of the other variants. So sorry for all that have suffered with covid complications. I had to use an albuterol inhaler but I have mild asthma. I think it is hopeful for others to hear that us, in the 60 age range made it through omicron with no vaccines.
Dr. Campbell you were right this was a very informative and interesting discussion. I'm a big fan of vitamin D3 with K2 M7. It helped me alot when I had covid.
You should tell the world's research scientists that, because they found it makes no discernible difference and most people have been pointlessly overdosing on it to no effect...
@@helmutsilver5006 For them it is convenient to say nothing really worked. I use also some cheap cures, but tell that to science. They also had reports that my cure does not really works. But hey...as long it works for me, it is good.
@@heide-raquelfuss5580 Well, if you want to use useless treatments that don't work and prefer to be deluded that they do, good for you. Enjoy the delusions.
Excellent science-based discussion from accumulating research data, with confirmation of immunity benefits, and reinforcement of personal responsibility to optimize our own immunity function. Sadly, I hear very little about this last important factor in the USA media.
Once again, thank you for everything you do John!!! I always tell everyone to watch your UA-cam Videos 📹👌 You are my Go To Covid19 Guru 😊👏👏 ... without the MSM hype & fear mongering & have helped me process a lot of the information in amoungst the noise!!! 🙏🥰👌 Thank you for having Dr Stephen on your channel, his information was very interesting & reassuring!!! 🙏🙏🙏 I will definitely share this with anyone who'll listen!!! 🥰🙏
We're still not talking enough about early treatments in these conversations about effectiveness of immunity. Especially when determining the cost-benefit of expensive vaccination programmes. Thanks again John.
Erm... What early treatments? Vaccine... Universal benefit... Reduce number of people getting seriously ill and dying... Big part of problem solved. Well done BionTech, Moderna, AZ, Novavax and so many others... Good job!
@@MrsMarks What "prevents" COVID infection and serious illness or death, then? Tell you what... You tell me what would have kept Scottish video game developer Stewart Gilray safe... You know... A case that your nurse Campbell has covered up even though he was just a few miles away...
Hi. Great information. Thank you. I was born and raised in Salzburg, Austria in 1950. My mom married an American GI in 1954. In 1965 my American father got me naturalized and my mom got her American Citizenship and we moved to the U.S. I was tested a few months ago (blood test) and I have natural immunity .. I haven’t had a cold in years. I also lost my spleen in 1978, I have diabetes and I have not got the shot. So I’m impressed with what my homeboy Dr. says. Thank you!
So informative, Thank You! I’m holding onto hope that previous infection will soon be recognized & acknowledged by our US govt leaders for the incredible benefit it gives us! This will give us the path to end the horrible division in our communities, states & nation. 🙏
This would be a good time to put COVID in perspective with the other major killers like cardiovascular and cancer. Particularly with emphasis on the prevention measures and life habits that can be changed. You have a large audience and plenty of historical content already online.
Or how about smoking? The problem is we have similar oppositional vested interests at work here. For smoking you have the tobacco industry giants with limitless funds for lawyers to obfuscate evidence in court. For Covid you have big pharma giants with limitless funds for lawyers to obfuscate evidence in court. Always follow the money.
@@stmarysvirus5139 How so ? It's simple things that can be implemented in small steps and literaly cost you nothing. Like walking to your wallmart instead of taking the car. Taking the stairs instead of the elevator. Pay attention at what goes in your body while staying away as much as possible from highly processed foods. Drink plenty of water and get a good quality sleep. Combined, at a national level these steps would reduce covid deaths by at least 30%
@@CaimAstraea they did encourage walking and cycling in he UK through low traffic neighbourhoods and the expansion of cycle paths. However such interventions are unlikely to change risk factors in enough people or in a short enough timescale to change the course of the pandemic.
I had three variants over the last few years and never got hit in the same way so I believe the natural immunity is working, yeah and never had a vaccine since I had the Alpha in November of 2020. Thanks for sharing this I appreciate it and I am grateful for the virus even if it was hard, my immune system is stronger for it I believe. Thanks and keep up the great work!
Thank u please Dr. C And Dr. P hope we get mor shows like this to keep us all informed On future medicines Proceedures....the Indepth views u show us...brillant thank u
I guess certain questions should be asked to only certain professionals to get specific answers that your looking for Dr. Campbell. Thanks for your continued efforts.
Thank you once again for keeping us informed with up-to-date scientific data. It’s such a relief knowing that you are studying this on an ongoing basis and transmitting this extremely valuable information to us in such a timely. As far as I know there’s nothing like this here in the United States, unfortunately.
@@analoguesoul4594 Don't entertain the trolls. If someone has a legitimate issue with Dr Campbell they would articulate it more than just calling him names.
Uplifted Life I’ll articulate it. He refuses to acknowledge the jabs are shite and he refuses to directly state that Eye Vee Emm works wonderfully. Instead he chose to allude to the aforementioned fact by marveling at what was deemed the Japanese miracle. Where they had “inexplicably” lower cases after they began allowing use of the unmentionable compound. All that being said, I get it. I understand why John has to be careful. It’s still deceptive though.
I have been fighting about natural immunity since the beginning of the pandemic. I got COVID early on in the pandemic and had blood work done every 3 months so had my own data but my country and my communities absolutely would give no credence to natural immunity. I am so glad for the research being done to substantiate the value f natural immunity.
As another medical professional, this is exactly how we should have presented this information. The MSM/tech censoring the medical profession is what is most concerning.
How exactly is this unquantified "thing" you refer to as "MSM" and this other unquantified "thing" you call "/tech" preventing scientists from publishing science?
@@helmutsilver5006 Counter to narrative science still gets published, or at least pre-printed, even if it's harder to get support but at such an important time for science communication and with a need for accurate, balanced health risk analysis (for individuals or for groups), mainstrean media definitely sidelined (or eliminated) certain conversations and favored public policy messaging in lieu of free exchange of information, even from bona fide experts.
Basically, some scientists and medical professionals weren't trusted to speak to the pubic, even with hard, balanced data while others preferentially were, and this was often enforced by policies and mindsets from tech and media companies. People weren't trusted, in general, to think critically or take a nuanced perspective on risk-benefit analyses.
People weren't generally allowed to consider (without being shunned or digging through alternative media and capricious charges of misinformation) "things" like 1) possible lab-leak, 2) wear masks/don't wear masks 3) various possible and confirmed risks of newly developed "prophylactic interventions" vs actual IFR from COVID-19 for each risk group 4) "alternative therapies" and support for studies on these 5) early talk on nat. imm. 6) the changing calculations on group benefits with supposedly immunized people still spreading at similar rates as others 7) and a whole lot of other issues.
@@icygood101 Interesting... I've made two posts in two hours responding to responses to my comments and both posted... and then got deleted by Nurse John's people.
Seems they worried that someone might write something rational.
Super though, because the documentary evidence of censorship by Nurse John's people is quite revealing...
Helmut Silver This is how ua-cam.com/video/jvUMVDdogXE/v-deo.html
@@helmutsilver5006 $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Very interesting. How lucky we are to have access to these brilliant minds and their work. Thank you, Dr. Pilz.
well put.we are very fortunate.nice to meet you.
I am from austria but i never heard of Dr Pilz bc our government put the entire media under strict dystopic message control...very reassuring for natural immunity..the new israeli study seems to have the usual bias on the one dose....the WHO confirmed early 2021 over 90% had effective antibodies after natural infection..anyway you know story..now we have mandatory vaccinations in austria in a complete clown show
our capital vienna just started to covid test the animals in the zoo.(...nope its not satire..the CT values are probably as transparent as with humans...
@@thomashauer6804 why shouldnt they test animals to check mutations on a global mutating virus?
I also have never heard of dr pilz. So I tried find anything about him.....there is nothing lol
@@martincahill5622 bc they just check them for positive or negative to quarantine them and we have crazy masstesting every day in vienna with labs that have zero Quality assurance but direct gov Ties while costing the taxpayers billions
Thank you sir. This is why I signed The Great Barrington Declaration. All of this division among the vaccinated and unvaccinated and school closures could have been mitigated. I am from Ottawa🇨🇦 and my country is a mess right now. I am not sure for what at this point. Thank you for this interview
Much appreciated, from a fellow Ontarian!
The country is a mess because third parties are behind the protesters trying to cause civil unrest. It's called "Divide and Conquer" and is a legit tactic for overthrowing governments. I'm taking my money out of Canada before it gets any worse :(
We love Canada! We live in Texas and we are praying for all of you in Canada!! You are a free people.
@@dottiebachtell8029 no one is free, just depends on how far the leash extends. Hello to Texas
heather more like exposing corrupt governments. The protestors are legitimate and have legitimate concerns. Stop the crazy mandates
Again, fantastic show.
Had Alpha in Feb.2020,
Skated through Delta even while travelling extensively to Mexico an d the Carribbean and mingling with people from all over the world.
Last month presumably Omicron infected, mild symptoms only. My wife and I both Unvaxxed.
I had 'something like flu' for 3 days in Jan 2020 and coughing up mucus for next 5 weeks. Heard about 'Covid' by then and started taking vit D (5000IU per day), vit C, Vit K2, zinc, as did my 90 & 91 yr old parents. No idea if any of us have been infected since - no symptoms. They (and my son) are jabbed - I am not.
I'm 61, no co-morbidities, not obese, eat healthy and exercise daily (jog over Glastonbury Tor most days). I haven't worn a mask or 'distanced' anywhere - though often see masked people coughing, sneezing and sniffing in the supermarket.
It all just makes me think that if there was the political motivation and we had been testing for Coronavirus to find 'cases' in previous years, we'd probably have been 'locking down' since my grandparent's days. The world would be even more crazy than it currently is! 😕
Wow, you two sound like you're living life in the way it was meant to be lived. If you ever come to New Zealand I have a room for you both. I'm unvaxed and perfectly comfortable letting my microbiome natural immune system deal with covid. To be honest as an outdoor adventure and motorsport enthusiast id be very surprised if it was a virus that buried me.
The saddest part to me is that most of what you discussed here has been know for over a year and as your guest pointed out, some before covid. Yet our public health institutions collectively ignored it or are ignorant in thier own fields.
Follow the money!
Deliberately ignored to pad their pockets with vaccine funding….our money!
No kidding? Good to wake up!
Follow the WEF!
EXACTLY (It's good for those making money)
The conclusion I've come to is, there is the science, there is the way the media chooses to convey the science and there is the politics.
Thank you Dr Campbell for giving a evidence based approach to the science , which makes navigating this pandemic much more interesting and informative.
I think if you believe that media "chooses" to convey certain things you are at the very least naive. It's not the media that chooses what to say and what to censor. There is something much, much bigger behind media
@Potension absolutely agree with you, not naive at all. Media/political world order Narrative is powerful & very dangerous
@@Agiyi Hi, I am looking for some help from some people in this comment section that perhaps have seen more data than I have.
Can someone who has had previous infection/natural immunity to covid... But in that initial infection they developed very mild pneumonia; can that lerson encounter covid again and develop pneumonia again?
What I want to know is, if there is a reduced likelyhood of such a symptomatic infection occuring if the person does have prior natural immunity/infection.
@@DeltiBecker I don't know if you tagged me for a specific reason or you just tag people but anyway.
I am not a doctor so I can't know, nor have I heard about a study on this exact question.
But from what I've learned from Dr Campbell's videos, I would say that it's very unlikely. If someone developed pneumonia from covid I assume that they got infected by the Wuhan variant or delta. Natural immunity seems very strong so I wouldn't expect them to get reinfected with delta. But, we know that those delta antibodies aren't enough for the omicron, so they can get infected and be symptomatic with omicron. But omicron doesn't target the lungs, it's more like a cold, so I wouldn't be worried about getting pneumonia again.
Again, I'm not a doctor, I'm just trying to piece together the studies I've seen, I could be very wrong.
Excellent video, so reassuring that there are still medics out there acknowledging natural immunity
Why risk horrible disease and death when you can gain immunity from vaccines?
If 10% of people were immune to bullets, would you test that the hard way or wear a bullet resistant vest.
@@nosuchthing8 You don't inject a vest
I don't think anyone who has had the vaccine would underrate natural immunity, but with natural immunity you have to take the risk of catching the disease in the first place and many people have died when they have failed to recover. People who have been vaccinated have preferred to acquire immunity in a safer way. And before you go on about vaccine damage, I have people in my family and friends who have had Covid damage and are still affected. You just have to weigh up the risks.
@@nosuchthing8 we give people who are most at risk of bullets bullet proof vests. The other 99.98% of people do without.
You didn't get your MMR, Polio, Hepatitis etc etc vaccines as a kid then?
Brilliant discussion. We are very lucky to have access to all these great minds on this channel. And thank you Dr Pilz!
Unfortunately, great minds are not in charge of the response to Covid-19
@@James-zu1ij says who? You? That is definitely not what was presented here so? He never said don’t listen to your Immunologist doctor did he…? Nope!
@@JohnGKeogh He has never done this. Give me the date of the video please
Not sure about Dr. Pilz, who is very far from a leader in the field of viral immunology (I'll take Dr. Shane Crotty, thank you very much), but the senior author on this review (i.e. this is only a review not a scientific paper with original research to substantiate a hypothesis) is the illustrious Dr. John Ioannidis who famously got it so very, very wrong early in the pandemic by positing public health officials were overreacting. Yes, he was correct to say we need more data (epic failure not to have the qPCR working by January or February of 2020) but with so much unknown, those making policy were wise to error on the side of caution. He chuckled at the notion that 10,000 deaths would be an overestimate and how would we not be able to tease out whether these deaths were due to SARS CoV-2 or Influenza. Then he chortles that it's science fiction for anyone to contemplate a scenario where the 68 deaths in mid March 2020 could in any way accrue to 680, much less, 6,800, 68,000, or 680,000. Yet here we sit with >1 million excess deaths in the U.S. in the last two years and realize that number would be higher had the SARS CoV-2 not become available in early 2021.
So I would take "happy talk" that the virus is now endemic and life will be getting to normal from Dr. Ioannidis with a very large grain (boulder?) of salt.
www.statnews.com/2020/03/17/a-fiasco-in-the-making-as-the-coronavirus-pandemic-takes-hold-we-are-making-decisions-without-reliable-data/
@@jaymorgenstern525 Interesting piece. Our response to C19 is one of the most bizarre things I've witnessed. I'm at a loss for words. The suppression of science and the silencing of scientists and Drs at the top of their field makes me want to go full rough conspiracy theorist. Mass incompitance.; but this can't be can it???
Yay, a Dr that actually speaks in terms of Absolute and Relative risk reduction
Thank you! Absolute risk reductions and the numbers needed to treat are indeed extremely important!
@@dr.stefanpilz1876 Why, when you can vaccinate an entire population without wasting time on calculating risks and prioritising risk profiles in defiance of the randomness of invisible risk factors, and everyone benefits from the augmented immunity...
Do explain.
I am really enjoying this new format of interviewing professionals with the educational and practical background to give a more informed opinion of this pandemic. Thank you.
So true. How long till "they" react to Dr. John Campbell doing this, like he is Joe Rogan?
@yes we will shut up with that islam garbage
@@williamlong8859 "they" don't actually exist.
150,000 U.S. veterans a year after natural immunity: 72% increased risk of heart failure. 52% increased risk of stroke. 63% increased risk of cardiac arrest. Nature Medicine just published these findings. Let's see how long before Dr. Campbell devotes an entire video to this significant finding on the immense risks of natural immunity.
ua-cam.com/video/n7j73GNIOTQ/v-deo.html
@@porscheoscar unfortunately he rarely corrects his frequent errors. I'd like to see some serological studies regardless.
I had an antibody test done at a hospital in NY after 7 1/2 months from the original disease. No one was doing this yet (!). I was very glad to get it done there, as the test was first-rate and very detailed. At the time I had it, I only had .06 antibodies left. No vaccines had come out yet, and didn’t for another 2-3 months. I consistently got negative tests and traveled. At that point, I wanted to get a T-Cell test done. None were approved until May 2021. I had a blood test done for this when I finally could get one, but that usually only lasts in the blood for 6 months until it goes into the bone marrow. I’m convinced my antibodies have now gone into the bone marrow T-Cells (not sure that’s medically correct, lol). But it does seem as though I’ve been protected all this time by the natural immunity. I live with 5 people, some have gotten Omicron, but I haven’t, and I have a weak immune system to begin with. (CFS/ME). So, thanks for talking about this. I’ve felt like I’ve had these thoughts for years now, and no one was talking about this except you, Dr. Campbell! So, thank you both for this podcast tonight. Very encouraging!
i'm still getting positive antibody test as much as 16 months later. My next test is this month (I am part of
a study). My antibody levels have hardly waned during this time frame.
I get antibody tests every 2-3 months. I had infection in March 2021. Last test at end of Dec 2021 (9.5 months later) says that I still have high antibodies.
@@Presserp do you have to pay for your antibody test?
Eric Presser you do not have to do test and test .. after a while u do nit have antibodies but since u were sick like me last April.. we have the Lymphocytes memory T and B .. if we get sick within 24 hrs they react and create the antibodies!
You have the lymphocytes memory T and B as u said ..if u get sick with In 24 hrs you get the antibodies through T B etc
Give the Doc his due, he asked some great questions here! Kudos!
That was an absolutely great discussion!! So encouraging and positive. Thank you both for the straightforward explanations, and the clarity on the somewhat confusing stage of the pandemic that we are in now.
All the mis- and disinformation has muddied the waters, and added uncertainty for the vast majority of us, who are not immunologists! So thank you for finding reliable data, and people who can make it easy to understand, and spending the time to lay it out for us.
I had a women at work today tell me natural immunity from omicron only lasts 2 weeks. 🙄 This pharma driven hysteria is out of control.
If natural last 2 weeks then from vaxx its 2 mins 😂
That’s classic!
Omg. Where did she get that data and disinformation?
@@MsGarnet77
TV? 😕
@@renweb1332 most likely. I hear so much misinformation from people watching TV or listening to radio. And there's no point in trying to reason or question these pseudoscientific narrative.
I am learning about human mind more than any other time in my whole life.
This was so fascinating. The ease and comfort and clear mutual respect the two of you display in the conversation was like sitting in a pub, listening wide eyed to the two of you as we all shared a beer! 😊🍻
Much gratitude to you both! Cheers!
Thank you!
Gratulieren Dr Pilz für diese wunderbare podcast mit Dr Campbell. Vielen Dank.
Vielen herzlichen Dank!
It's so sad that you both have to be careful of every word you say. I find it so ridiculous that "cancel culture" has silenced so many intelligent doctors and scientists who have so much to contribute!! Thank you to ALL who are trying to put out honest information and data.❤
@@MsGarnet77 People do get harmed by the vaccine?
Who?
Who specifically has been harmed "by the vaccine."
I can point you to someone harmed by not having the vaccine...
Scottish video game developer Stewart Gilray...
He was harmed very, very badly by not having the vaccine. His wife and children are pretty harmed too.
Question from a 61 year old curious Canadian. If I as a layman can understand this, what is the issue with our public health officials and policy makers?
I have spent the last 2 years seeking and finding easily imformation from honest sources like yourselves, thank you.
With a big dose of common sense, minimal effort, and a belief that we are most responsible for our health my 65 year old wife and myself managed to stay C-19 free until the o-cron hit.
Other than instituting a vitamin regimen and making maybe a 30% imrovement in our diet we have taken no other preventative measures.
I am confident we have immunity at least equal to any man made immunity. I don't understand why our rights are more restricted than other members of our society.
Just take the vaccine
Don't you have to have had the virus in order to become immune to it? If you haven't had it, then you can't be immune to it. Of course you might have had it very mildly, but how would you know? I did not want to be a carrier of the virus to my 90 yr old MIL so have been triple vaxxed and apart from a 3 day cold in Jan 2020 and a three day cold in Jan 2022, have kept really healthy, still gone shopping all the way through, with a mask though. I am nearly 70. Haven't even bothered with vitamin regime as we always eat a balanced healthy diet.
@@nosuchthing8 , stupid remark
Data seem to suggest that o-cron infection and survival imparts natural immunity going forward.
@@patriciaboies8298 "just take the vaccine"
is a lot like:
"brexit means brexit"
or
"Build back better"
they are now just meaningless slogans endlessly repeated by people who do not understand the full implications of these statements.
Practical, informative and easy to grasp even if your not medically minded. 😁👍
Yes. But unfortunately not if you are the CDC medically minded! ;)
Thanks for the wonderful discussion once again, and the reminder of how wonderful our immune system is created to be, to tackle diseases in efficient, coordinated, intelligent and wholistic ways. I find it very sensible that a multi-pronged approach is advocated, where individual responsibility for health is emphasised, because that translates to better quality of life with robust natural immunity overall to face off myriad diseases that may present themselves in our lifetimes. Thanks once again for hope and illumination during this period of time, Drs! Though you are drs in different disciplines, I am really inspired by your quest for knowledge and understanding, and your use of your professional expertise to educate and share your knowledge and insights with us. I am also deeply touched by your humility in acknowledging the complexity of our immune system which scientists and medical professionals are still discovering to this day, and for striving to understand and appreciating it. It is so refreshing and edifying to see medical professionals like you who respect the wonders of our body's complex systems to deal with diseases and threats to our well- being! Thanks once again for an informative and enlightening session.
Excellent viewing as usual. Thank you to you both.
As an aside, I'm always absolutely astounded by other nations capability of speaking our language so well, particularly when the subject is so technical. I hold my head in shame!
This pandemic is trying to end but our leaders can't take yes for an answer. Why they want to prolong it is not due to science or medicine, and that leaves only 1 thing.
@UCOeKfLtmx2Dvja0JVB6zFdw Politics. The politicians want the power to reward friends and punish enemies. This is a rare weapon in a free country, and they don't want to give it up.
Yes. Here in BC, Canada our cases are down, hospitalizations are down but our officials still don't want to end restrictions until summer.
@@joanna0988 I have a feeling that infections will be near zero long before summer, so we'll see how they react.
@@Bob_Adkins Yes hopefully.
2 to 3 K Americans Dead Daily doesn't sound like ending?
We are all experts on some things witch is important to talk to the right people. I love it when experts are being honest also .
The beauty of a humble genius is a gift to mankind😊
A huge thank you to you both👍🏼
I had the "original" in July of 2020 with the only symptom being losing taste and smell. Never had a vax. Actually, no vax since the childhood smallpox and polio vaxes in the 1950s. I am now 74 years old and work a cashier job being exposed up to 1000 people per week> I live in a part of the USA that has really not done anything in the way of masks, barriers social distancing. Only 36% of my county have been vaxxed. If I was going to be reinfected, I think I would have been by now
I only had childhood vaccines..63yr old and had covid and flu type A on Christmas Eve..
Tennessee here
Look up tetanus. It’s no joke, and you only need the shots every 10 years. Obviously your choice 🙂
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You've most likely been reinfected. You just never became ill from it.
Thank you for hard work and consistency, Dr Campbell!
He's a snake
🇨🇦 Dr. Campbell, you have been a gift to so many with your information and guidance. Thank you and Dr Pilz for todays enlightening talk.
This was one of the most informative discussions I have seen regarding the stage of the pandemic we have reached. The discussion regarding the natural immunity is one ALL government health advisors would do well to listen to.
Thank you very much!
John, you are a natural broadcaster, excellent interview as always, asking coherent and relevant questions.
Excellent work Dr. John. This kind of natural immunity information needs to be mainstream... as it should have been from day 1!
Thank you so much for having this conversation in such a truthful and non-bias way 🙏🏽
Thanks Dr. Campbell! Your enthusiasm when you talk to another person is cheery and a pleasure to watch.
Thank you both. I'm impressed by Dr Pilz not dishing out information on things he doesn't claim to be an expert at. It makes all his other statements believable
So pleased work is being done around natural immunity its certainly needed well done
Vielen Dank Dr Pilz und Dr Campbell für dieses fantastisches Webinar!
Danke!
John you are fabulous keeping us informed. Thank you. Much appreciated.
as a 26yr old I was debating wether I should get my third dose but after getting this info I’ve decided to pass on it.
I agree with your decision
Just don't fall for the bait. Pretty straightforward.
Thank you so much for sharing this eminent doctors time and expertise with us, I personally have been nudged into taking my pre diabetic warning more seriously, so I am grateful to you and the good doctor for that.
And what I get from this interview is that 'it's all over, done'.
Depends if your a politician and need it for your platform, or a bureaucrat making money on fear.
Great information and wonderful conversation between two experts. Thank you.
Thank you Dr. Campbell! Your focus and information has been remarkably valuable since the onset of the C-19. Keep educating the masses - natural immunity continues to be ignored by the global leadership and needs to be part of the consideration and programs for treatment.
Fascinating. Natural immunity is entering mainstream discourse as it should.
About time!
All the things we weren't allowed to talk about. All along the vaccines should have been for the vulnerable and it should always be a choice. Hello from a second class Canadian citizen ✌️
@Rose Not that much. It's always a focus on the vaccines. Wonder why? 😉ua-cam.com/video/4uexqgkyFmo/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/4uexqgkyFmo/v-deo.html
@@julieleduc631 and it was fairly obvious even at the beginning of the “pandemic” that the vaccines should have been only for the vulnerable. And now the vaccine is totally superfluous.
Stay strong!
Just love how John is just as invested in finding out data not only for us but also for himself. That's what I like about his videos.
I am a female 58 my fiancé 63 year old male. Neither vaccinated. Both of us tested positive in mid January. I ended up with a secondary sinus/ear infection. Both of us are fine.....here is to natural immunity!
Similar, wife and I mid 60s, not vaccinated. Severity was like a bad cold. We have been taking vitamins and had access to IVM. Despite what the doctor said, I do think Omicron is intrinsically milder than previous variants, as friends infected with Delta were much sicker, as the virus got into their lungs which was never the case for us.
@@originalkk882 Hi so glad both of you are also in good health. We did not have IVM. I am thankful we did not get any of the other variants. So sorry for all that have suffered with covid complications. I had to use an albuterol inhaler but I have mild asthma. I think it is hopeful for others to hear that us, in the 60 age range made it through omicron with no vaccines.
Thank you Dr Campbell and Dr Pilz, this is a great video and easy to understand even for someone who doesn't have a medical background
Thank you for that excellent discussion with your very knowledgeable guest. Dr. Pilz presented some very encouraging data going forward.
Dr. Campbell you were right this was a very informative and interesting discussion. I'm a big fan of vitamin D3 with K2 M7. It helped me alot when I had covid.
You should tell the world's research scientists that, because they found it makes no discernible difference and most people have been pointlessly overdosing on it to no effect...
@@helmutsilver5006
For them it is convenient to say nothing really worked.
I use also some cheap cures, but tell that to science. They also had reports that my cure does not really works.
But hey...as long it works for me, it is good.
@@heide-raquelfuss5580 Well, if you want to use useless treatments that don't work and prefer to be deluded that they do, good for you. Enjoy the delusions.
Great information, thank you both very much for sharing. May The God of Peace, Grace, and Truth Bless you and your loved ones...
Thank you Dr. Piltz you speak so clear very easily understood.
Thank you very much!
The biggest problem with natural immunity is that it's effective and for free.
Bingo .
Natural immunity comes at a massive cost. LONG COVID. 1 out of 5 end up with LONG COVID.
@Martin Ginsburg turn off CNN buddy
@@rumcajs009 for real people who watch this channel are all like him they think the vaccine will save them they swear by them
Yet again, the very cool Dr. John Campbell has rounded up a very cool friend to talk to and we are all the better for it.
This is public service broadcasting 2022 style! Informative, knowledgeable speakers who are not coming to the discussion from a commercial angle.
Wow, Dr. Pilz is working in Graz, where I currently live. Glad to know we have such great researchers in Austria!
Thanks to both Doctors..this was such an informative discussion and very much appreciated
Thank you so much for all you do . From Israel.
Amaziing episode. Thank you, John, and a special thanks to Stefan Pilz.
Excellent science-based discussion from accumulating research data, with confirmation of immunity benefits, and reinforcement of personal responsibility to optimize our own immunity function. Sadly, I hear very little about this last important factor in the USA media.
Such respect for this video coverage.I am forever grateful.
Brilliant👍 discussion Dr John and Dr Pliz.
Once again, thank you for everything you do John!!! I always tell everyone to watch your UA-cam Videos 📹👌
You are my Go To Covid19 Guru 😊👏👏 ... without the MSM hype & fear mongering & have helped me process a lot of the information in amoungst the noise!!! 🙏🥰👌
Thank you for having Dr Stephen on your channel, his information was very interesting & reassuring!!! 🙏🙏🙏
I will definitely share this with anyone who'll listen!!! 🥰🙏
Excellent. Thanks to you both.
Absolutely brilliant discussion, certainly gives a confidence boost for the future.
Thank you, Dr. Campbell & Dr. Pilz ✌🏼🤓♥️
I’m forwarding this one to everyone - Thank you for helping us understand this critical information!!!
Great DR. Thank YOU so much for this interview.
We're still not talking enough about early treatments in these conversations about effectiveness of immunity. Especially when determining the cost-benefit of expensive vaccination programmes. Thanks again John.
And preventatives.
Erm...
What early treatments?
Vaccine...
Universal benefit...
Reduce number of people getting seriously ill and dying...
Big part of problem solved.
Well done BionTech, Moderna, AZ, Novavax and so many others... Good job!
@@MrsMarks What "prevents" COVID infection and serious illness or death, then?
Tell you what...
You tell me what would have kept Scottish video game developer Stewart Gilray safe...
You know...
A case that your nurse Campbell has covered up even though he was just a few miles away...
OMG Amazing guy with such a great great way to explain our situation. Thank you both.
Thanks John this Dr is a Great Guest really enjoyed his opinions✔
Great guest with helpful info and perspective.
Danke für dieses tolle Interview!
Hi. Great information. Thank you. I was born and raised in Salzburg, Austria in 1950. My mom married an American GI in 1954. In 1965 my American father got me naturalized and my mom got her American Citizenship and we moved to the U.S. I was tested a few months ago (blood test) and I have natural immunity .. I haven’t had a cold in years. I also lost my spleen in 1978, I have diabetes and I have not got the shot. So I’m impressed with what my homeboy Dr. says. Thank you!
So informative, Thank You!
I’m holding onto hope that previous infection will soon be recognized & acknowledged by our US govt leaders for the incredible benefit it gives us! This will give us the path to end the horrible division in our communities, states & nation. 🙏
Wow, that is amazing information! Thank you.
Best video by far wish this info came out 2 years ago but not available then..
Two doctors thinking in an unbiased way giving the word useful info and much better understanding of the situation we are in. Anyone CDC 👀?!
This would be a good time to put COVID in perspective with the other major killers like cardiovascular and cancer. Particularly with emphasis on the prevention measures and life habits that can be changed. You have a large audience and plenty of historical content already online.
Heart disease and cancer are not highly contagious diseases. Covid is.
Or how about smoking? The problem is we have similar oppositional vested interests at work here. For smoking you have the tobacco industry giants with limitless funds for lawyers to obfuscate evidence in court. For Covid you have big pharma giants with limitless funds for lawyers to obfuscate evidence in court.
Always follow the money.
@@stmarysvirus5139 birds aren't real
@@stmarysvirus5139 How so ? It's simple things that can be implemented in small steps and literaly cost you nothing. Like walking to your wallmart instead of taking the car. Taking the stairs instead of the elevator. Pay attention at what goes in your body while staying away as much as possible from highly processed foods. Drink plenty of water and get a good quality sleep. Combined, at a national level these steps would reduce covid deaths by at least 30%
@@CaimAstraea they did encourage walking and cycling in he UK through low traffic neighbourhoods and the expansion of cycle paths.
However such interventions are unlikely to change risk factors in enough people or in a short enough timescale to change the course of the pandemic.
Fabulous interview, thanks to both of you and very much appreciate your work.
Excellent informative discussion. Greatly Appreciate sharing the truth and facts. Thank you.
This was absolutely delightful, thanks to both of you!
Good work Dr Campell information is king, hopefully some politicians are watching. No covid warning label flagging video. Thankyou.
I had three variants over the last few years and never got hit in the same way so I believe the natural immunity is working, yeah and never had a vaccine since I had the Alpha in November of 2020. Thanks for sharing this I appreciate it and I am grateful for the virus even if it was hard, my immune system is stronger for it I believe. Thanks and keep up the great work!
Thank u please Dr. C
And Dr. P hope we get mor shows like this to keep us all informed
On future medicines
Proceedures....the
Indepth views u show us...brillant thank u
A wonderful inspiring and hopeful discussion that will give more confidence to a great many people.
Great discussion, answered a lot of questions I had. Thanks to both of you.
I guess certain questions should be asked to only certain professionals to get specific answers that your looking for Dr. Campbell. Thanks for your continued efforts.
Brilliant discussion. thank you.
thank you both! Wonderful interview.
Thank you once again for keeping us informed with up-to-date scientific data. It’s such a relief knowing that you are studying this on an ongoing basis and transmitting this extremely valuable information to us in such a timely. As far as I know there’s nothing like this here in the United States, unfortunately.
I got the vaccine card and QR code for I and my family with some friends without been vaccinated. Text me if interested.
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@@christhompson6160 No one wants them anymore they are getting tossed in garbage, many countries are throwing them out of use.
Great talk. Thank you both!!
Thanks Dr John great discussion.
AS everyone below has said. What a great informative interview. You should be known as SIR Dr John Campbell.
brilliant! Thanks from Austria!
Thank you, Dr. Pilz. Very good information for all of us.
Thank you
I've learned so much from your channel and your conversations with others. Thanks for taking the time! Dave J
Best video on a true explanation of what is medically going on 👍 ....
Thank you!
Not to take away from your amazing work When you smile even your eyes light up … & I know this is going to be a great podcast
HES A SNAKE 🐍
It shows how thrilled and happy this news is
@@analoguesoul4594 Don't entertain the trolls. If someone has a legitimate issue with Dr Campbell they would articulate it more than just calling him names.
Get a room 😒 j/k 😂
Uplifted Life I’ll articulate it. He refuses to acknowledge the jabs are shite and he refuses to directly state that Eye Vee Emm works wonderfully. Instead he chose to allude to the aforementioned fact by marveling at what was deemed the Japanese miracle. Where they had “inexplicably” lower cases after they began allowing use of the unmentionable compound. All that being said, I get it. I understand why John has to be careful. It’s still deceptive though.
Dr. Stefan Pilz - what a great name for a doctor. Far more attractive than Campbell.
I have been fighting about natural immunity since the beginning of the pandemic. I got COVID early on in the pandemic and had blood work done every 3 months so had my own data but my country and my communities absolutely would give no credence to natural immunity. I am so glad for the research being done to substantiate the value f natural immunity.
Smart and informative discussion. Thank you so much Dr. John and Dr. Pilz. ☀
Fascinating stuff. Thank you both very much.