I remember reading Fate/Stay Night vn for the first time. When Archer warned Shirou about his ideals very early on during the Fate route I was like "These 2 think the same way yet they can't seem to get along... Are they...?" and immediately went to the wiki to spoil myself about Archer's real name. I f*cking knew it.
I feel like the corrupted Grail War itself is the greatest plot twist for magi society. When it's corrupted it's kind of funny because these high society magi go through an entire war, something way more than I think a typical magi is prepared for, they go through all this tribulation only to win and you find out from the beginning it was all for nothing and your wish is either not gonna happen or it's gonna be one hell of a monkey's paw. Risking death and worse all for nothing in the end. I've always loved Salter just because of the contrast when she's Shirou's servant constantly held back in every way possible and then she comes back corrupted and completely off the chain with how she should actually be at least in battle prowess.
To be fair, many magi go into it for the fame and they dont care for the wish, Rin included. And you have crazies like Ryuonusuke that are _just_ having fun.
Here is a twist that didn’t get revealed until Nasu got fed up that no one caught it in Hollow Ataraxia. The prologue of the FSN VN is actually from Archer’s perspective, remembering the ingrained image of Saber’s summoning when he was alive/Shirou.
Yeah! Which is funny, considering he's probably the only version of Gil who'd do that. His younger and older versions would have used everything in their disposal.
@@piercingmoon24 yeah caster Gil from Babylonia literally worked himself to death for his people, then just walked out of the underworld like nothing happened
It's like some teenager not being able to see he will lose in a fight with an entire army because he feels like rambo and he'll never be defeated, then proceeds to get destroyed
Honestly my favorite part of zero was kayneth showing off his entire arsenal of defenses and kiritsugu just blows up the entire building with him in it.
Yes but No, accord by the games, teen-adult Gil sealed his clairvoyance because "was boring" He unsealed it after enkidu's death, when he becames his most mature version (Caster Gil)
Man the amount of hints throughout ubw pointing towards Archer being Shirou and I missed every single one of them and only worked it out just before they outright said it 🤣
Waver was amazing on Zero. One of my favorite moments was when his teacher was calling him crap but Iskandar went all proud of him and declared his master was who he has accepted because he, unlike with Diarmud, dared to stand in the battle at his side. Even Gilgamesh grew some respect for Waver when he saw he accompanied Iskandar not as his master, but as his loyal subject.
This whole thing with Diarmuid in Zero made me curious about his myth. I looked on google and I found two versions of the story: First one is where Fionn wanted a second wife after his first one died. He proposed to Grainne who was hailed as the most beautiful woman at the time, and she agreed. She met Diarmuid during the party and both of the fell inlove. Grainne wanted to elope with Diarmuid, and it took much convincing before he agreed. Fionn once realizing this, went in pursuit; less about his fiancé leaving him and more about Diarmuid betraying him. They went years on the run before Grainne got pregnant and they had to hide in a cave. They were apparently followed by a boar into the cave, and Diarmuid got severely wounded trying to protect his wife; but he killed the boar in the process. Fionn and his knights arrived soon after. Grainne begged Fionn to save Diarmuid. Fionn can apparently heal people by letting them drink from the palm of his hand. Fionn refused out of spite. His knight then urged him to help, but again he refused. After which Fionn's son Oisin insisted, and finally he relents. Unfortunately Diarmuid was dead at that point. The second one is where Fionn was feeling melancholic due to growing old, and outliving his wives. He asked his knights what he should do about it, and they told him to marry Grainne (for the same reason as the other version). He was shy about asking her due to their gap in age, so he had emissaries do it for him. Grainne thinking that the proposal was for her and Oisin , agreed. Once realizing she was actually marrying Fionn, she opted to back out. She spiked Fionn's drink, and once he's asleep, she started asking Oisin and the other knights if anyone would be willing to run away with her. Everyone refused her including Diarmuid. Probably out of desperation, she placed a geass on Diarmuid, which forced him to elope with her. Fionn similar to the other version, was mad about the betrayal and gave pursuit. Diarmund left pieces of fish as a signal to Fionn that nothing has happened between him and Grainne. But eventually after being chided by Grainne for his lack of "courage", Diarmuid gave in and stopped leaving fish. They evaded Fionn for years with the help of a god of love. Fast forward, and Diarmuid and Grainne now has 4 kids, so they decided to make amends. Fionn, more or less forgives them and accepts them back. Fast forward a bit more and Fionn issued a hunt for a boar terrorizing his lands, Diarmuid came along with his weaker short sword and spear. Unfortunately Diarmuid was under another geass, and the boar was actually a reincarnation of a kid his father accidentally killed; so Diarmuid cannot pierce its skin. After beating the boar to death with the blunt side of his weapons, Diarmuid was severely wounded. Fionn immediately went to fetch water to heal his friend, but on his way back was reminded of Diarmuid's betrayal, and the water slipped away. He tried again but the same thing happened. He succeeded at the third attempt by reminding himself of the good times they had, but Diarmuid was dead at that point. I'm not really sure which version Fate used, but I personally liked the second one.
If I remember correctly Deen/Stay Night was my first exposure to Fate. I know people didn't like it at the time but I really enjoyed it. A part I consider a plot twist is when Gilgamesh showed up. I knew nothing of Fate at the time so I didn't expect an 8th servant to show up and was equally surprised how easily Gil dominated Shiro and Saber. If the Fate route got a remake at some point I wonder if the same thing could happen again considering how popular Fate is now?
Meanwhile my first exposure was Fate/Extella. Getting into the series was incredibly cursed because the game both set completely wrong expectations for what the rest of the series is like, aswell as making inconsistencies between titles easier to swallow.(As in, I had no trouble understanding that Stay Night 06 is not literally the same world as in the anime I just watched and the one I was about to watch right afterwards, because I was already introduced to parallel timelines)
The west really liked Deen/Stay Night when it aired until the original VN got fully fan translated years later and they realized how far off script the adaptation went. Deen/Stay Night was also my first exposure to Fate so the VN was a real eye opener and the perfect primer for when Zero aired.
@@DiogenesTheCynic. There was a time when it got appreciation? Honestly a bit unbelievable with how it only has an incredibily niche fanbase these days.
My introduction to fate was the 1st anime And i remember i revealed all the servant names (except the original character aka. Faker! and kojiro, since i know nothing about japanese history) just by little hints my cousin gave me I think he later went to a wiki to confirm those answers It was an hilarious moment
@@lpfan4491 Like it stated, right at the beggining probably Since the idea itself is great, but when the source material arrived everyone realized while the idea was good the implementation wasn't
GOD thank you for your continued Fate and Nasuverse content. I always love hearing your perspectives, and I also 100 percent agree 'edgy' is way overused, ill-understood, and really just seems to be used by people to say 'oh this is darker than puppies, sparkles, and kitties so it must be bad'.
I love the twist of the grail being corrupted as it sustains itself on human thoughts, desires and wishes which also lends it the power to screw the rules because it responds to longings more than logic, proving that the characters with the strongest thoughts are the crazy bad ones. The protagonists have to get lucky when the grand prize is trying to gift itself to the baddest baddies before the game starts. 😄
Well F/SN can be summarized as being about mages, so it's not exactly surprising that a ritual to obtain power to reach utopia goes wrong from the start, since they humans in the end just with cheat codes. Historically fitting as well, given the utopian movements of the time.
Thing is... Why does Fate/ Apocrypha Grail was different than Fate/ Stay Night Grail...? Fate/ Apocrypha is the Fuyuki Grail getting stolen before it could be corrupted by Angra Maingyu... It should have been capable of anything without limits... But that Grail still got corrupted by Yggdmillenia...
With shrou and archer I also think is shows with there clothes. Shirou top is blue and white while archer has red and black white the sleeves being blue and red and the chest area is white and black even there bottom half show this shirou white blue jeans and archer with his cloak which is red
I shit you not that plot twist is the entire reason why i am this deep in the nasuverse. When watching ubw i was like "i wish it was better, the archer confrontation is some of the best thing i've ever watched, i really want to like the show but it's so sloppy in so many regards" I learned about the vn being much better and jumped the boat... ubw is perfect actually.
Honestly one thing I don't like about Fate is we never see Illya's grandfather do anything in the 5th war. I assume he would need a sneaky strategy to actually win the war since Illya would grow weaker overtime.
That's the "worst" thing about it. They dont have any other plans if Ilya fails. And Ilya has the maids for that reason, to help her as she gets weaker. Dont forget that the Leys, the "dumb" one that attacks Gil in UBW, is the dress that Ilya wears in HF.
Ilya's grandfather isn't a normal person or even a normal homunculus. He doesn't show up because he lacks the capacity of thought even more than Zouken, who is completely degrading in mind and soul, especially since he can't leave the castle
Correct me if am wrong but Heaven's feel was also a plot twist since it wasn't about the Holy Grail war but rather more of a relationship. Illiya wanting to protect Shirou, Rin protecting Sakura, Shirou being the Hero of Justice for Sakura
Fate zero is bumped up to one of my fav animes. Jesus that Greek tragedy hits hard but good! Every character was spot on perfectly developed and had depth!
"Every character was spot on, perfectly developed and had depth" This honestly reads like a joke, if you truly did watch Zero you'd know that only a few of the characters are actually well written with the rest being average to actual garbage tier writing (Saber).
I like the dark aspect of fate, it makes it more realistic. Also one plot twist I liked was how strong Madusa is when she has a proper master and not shinji 😅
The biggest plot twist in fate is that Kadoc Zemlupus went from a stand in for NTR protags in doujins to Ritsukas gay lover. You love to see it. Jk the best plot twist is when Nagayoshi tells Shinji in Koha Ace/Redline that he's not Miyamoto Musashi. Is what I would say if most people didn't already play FGO and saw this twist coming from miles away. Still a good twist simply by the novelty of a shinjifaces's ego being violently knocked to rock bottom when it turns out his ace in the hole wasn't THE Miyamoto Musashi but just some guy with a spear and an appetite for slaughter
I mean, even if we didnt know what Musashi looks like, male or DATA LOST, huge guy with spear and metal armor is pretty far from what you think when you hear Miyamoto Musashi. At the very least we would be suspicious of it.
You know I know how big and dramatic the whole twist surrounding Shirou and Archer is but thanks to my love of the tales series specifically tales of the abyss, every time I look at these 2 I keep thinking of: Meaning of Birth. Archer and or Shirou calling the other a replica. And a cool fight happens. I mean yeah the cool fight does indeed still happen but now I am imagining if we play meaning of birth in the background.
The plottwists and larger developments were honestly some of the best parts of these animes(Context being that I am an anime only who went through these titles in chronological and route-order, so Zero to Stay Night 06 to UBW. And eventually the older UBW movie as a bonus). Archer and Shirou, Shirou having avalon, the huge shifts in dynamics in Zero that move at a rapic pace...it's just pretty good. I eventually stopped following because of getting overly stressed over the fanbase being sorta obnoxious about certain things and it being pretty inconsistent on if I liked a bit of content from the series, but I think I should get back into it as I was a bit too emotional, probably from getting into it with scuffed expectations and binging every animated content available at the time. I think I will watch Heavens Feel sooner rather than later because it is the one thing I am still current missing mainline. Well, besides the fateroute anime I obviously can't watch because it still doesn't exist yet.(Which sucks. I know there are no new reveals in there left for me, but I would still like to watch it. Ufotable, plz.)
Awesome video I have the unpopular opinion that even Gilgamesh knew that he couldn't kill the monster Gilles summoned via clairvoyance in Fate/Zero and gave that responsibility to Saber. Afterall, Excalibur does surpass Ea at least in regards to its functionality for killing monsters or world threatening things, that's its specialty. Kind of like the whole situation with Excalibur being the only NP being able to kill Sefar. The monster Gilles summoned is highly underrated, the thing was literally a Cthulhu, if you ever studied Cthulhu, they are Outerversal even as a concept; lowly creature or not. I thought that's why Gil seemed so impressed and even praised her a bit, telling Iskandar as well. I could be wrong but that's what I got from it, Prelati's spellbook and all specialized in that sort of thing. Not to mention that the higher tier outer gods aren't any lower than outerversal+ in the current cosmology of the nasuverse so this one that Gilles summoned was probably lower but not lower than low outerversal. Just my hot take.
It was mentioned in Material that Gil is the strongest character in both FSN and Fate Zero. Logically, this is a comparison that includes all the characters at their peak, so Gil > Gilles. It was mentioned that one sword from GoB, which is "Gram", is equal to the power of the strongest holy sword, "Excalibur". Then we have "Merodach", which is the prototype of "Gram". According to what was mentioned in the FSN visual novel, the prototypes are stronger than the replicas. Therefore, "Merodach" is stronger than Exceller. In short, Gilgamesh was able to defeat Gilles monster easily and without even having to use Ea It was never mentioned that "Excliper surpass Ea", on the contrary, all sources say that Ea is stronger than the unsealed Excliper (sources such as FGO-law of creation and Fate strange fake) Exclibur is not the only NP capable of killing Sefar. Gil mentioned in Extella that Ea is capable of defeating Sefar in the final stage. Also, Sefar did not fight Mesopotamian gods in the first place. On the contrary, Sefar spared Gilgamesh’s father and made a contract with Mesopotamian gods. It was mentioned in Babylonia that aliens (such as Sefar) cannot defeat Tiamat, so Tiamat > Sefar. In LB7 hooves of the Bull of Heaven are capable of damaging ORT, so logically the bull will crush Sefar, without forgetting Alter Eresh, which is above Sefar. It was mentioned in the BB Matrix that Ishtar (in her prime) represents one of the mothers goddesses (like Tiamat) and that she even has “Potnia Theron.” Add to that the Bull of Heaven, and Ishtar will be able to deal with Sefar easily. This is without mentioning the rest of the major gods, such as Marduk...etc. It is mentioned in Extella material that the god Ea is the outrank of all the gods in fate and also the oldest of them all. This means that his sword (sword of rupture) is the strongest divine weapon.
@@thegamerfe8751 I don't think so because according to FGO and the Fate strange fake, The Gilgamesh Matrix, Ea is stronger than the unsealed Exclibur. I will only give one source. FGO-law of creation: The most mystifying treasure among the countless relics from the King of Heroes' collection. The three stone tablets on the blade each symbolize heaven, earth, and the underworld... As such, it is said to represent the universe and so affects not only the bodies of those it faces, but the entire world itself. It's the *strongest* and *oldest* Noble Phantasm man has ever laid his hands on
@@E0ns Nice breakdown but a lot of the references you used aren't taking into account an unsealed Excalibur such as the comparison to Merodach. They're not equal by any means when one or more seals is used and Merodach had no way of fully destroying Gilles monster because it is identical to Caliburn in power. F/SN & FGO Artoria both have seals, so it really isn't different from prototype version of Excalibur either, that whole thing has been retconned. I think the point of my comment at the time was to say that Excalibur is the strongest even over Ea vs invading threats because it scales with its niche use of defending the planet at all costs. Also, in LB7 it took a juiced up version of Excalibur mounted on the Storm Border to even begin to do damage to ORT. That's something Ea could never do. I will say that Ea in terms of overall destruction can probably go as far as reaching several textures in the world but not destroying the Reverse Side of the World which is still something Excalibur can never do. If you study the cosmology of the Nasuverse even without the counter-force restrictions it wouldn't be able to reach that deep. When we are discussing direct attack potency of Ea vs unsealed Excalibur, Excalibur is much stronger. Since we know Avalon is the realm of the soul and not unconsciousness like a reality marble which Ea is specialized in destroying, that's much deeper than what Ea or the Five True Magics can reach. So that statement of destroying the world seven times is really just saying the outer-most layers up to or maybe the linch-pin, Rhongomyniad but not beyond. Main takeaway is that because Avalon/Reverse Side of the World is the domain of the soul, it surpasses consciousness, subconsciousness, unconsciousness, it’s metaphysical and is not affected by something capable of destroying time-space, physical matter, energy and potentially even thoughts outside of awareness. Finally, Mystery can only be powered by the collective unconsciousness of The World which we know to be already metaphysical and where Jungian Archetypes reside.
@@cmartin1409 Nope the context was referring to the unsealed Exclibur, I will quote Description of Gram from VN: "Der Ring des Nibelungen", composed later in Middle Ages Germany, is the story of a knight equal to the legend of King Arthur, and the sword Gram changes its name and appears in it as Balmung. As the "strongest demonic sword" equaling the "strongest holy sword", it even possesses the special characteristic of dragon slayer" We also get that "Merodach" is considered a prototype of "Gram", which makes it stronger than "Gram". I will quote "Children cannot defeat their parents. An imitation that deteriorates every time it is renewed cannot match the original model" Result:- Merodach > Gram = Unsealed Exclibur Gil has both "Merodach" and "Gram" Give me the source in which it was stated that "Merodach" cannot destroy the Gilles monster? While on the other hand, random, unknown swords from GoB were able to kill divine spirits as if they were nothing Ea is superior to Exclibur in all aspects, whether Mystery, power, or concept. I want to tell you that the counterforce will not work against Ea either, because in Strange Fake Enkidu drained the counterforce to block one attack from *servant* Gil. Ea was not present in LB7 in first place and cannot be reproduced, so I do not understand your point here. When we are discussing direct attack potency of Ea vs unsealed Excalibur, Ea is much stronger and this is what Nasu himself said "The most mystifying treasure among the countless relics from the King of Heroes' collection. The three stone tablets on the blade each symbolize heaven, earth, and the underworld... As such, it is said to represent the universe and so affects not only the bodies of those it faces, but the entire world itself. "It's the *strongest* and oldest Noble Phantasm man has ever laid his hands on" This statement is in 2019-2020 and the unsealed Exclibur was already known before this time. Notice how the NPs themselves are compared, and Ea is placed at the top of all the NPs Ea is not anti-reality marble but anti-world, I will quote *Enuma Elish* "It's true power is not meant to be used against one individual, but the *World itself.* Apparently it does not just produce pseudo-fissures in space-time, but it outright influences the flow of space-time and distorts space" Base Gil was able to destroy the mooncell reality with Ea, which is stated to be 8D-9D, much higher than the lower dimension Avalon, which is 6D. Not only that, but Mooncell is able to observe the lower dimensions as if it just a book, so Mooncell is able to create Avalon's territory in its reality. Just by being discovered moon cell by humans in Extra it literally downgraded The Third True Magic to a mere magecraft (called the Third Magecraft). It also can grant Sliding ability which allows parallel world hopping to anyone it wants and can even decide which world to prune or lock, just like Zelretch who is the user of the Second. It could even send BB to FGO timeline. Furthermore it utilizes the Blue Particles to reduce summoning cost of servants which might be related to the Fifth. One attack from Ea brought the planet close to death. So destroying the world seven times is a nightmare, so don't try to downplay this It was mentioned in Strange Fake that Ea is older than the *stars* and planet. Not only that, but it was also mentioned that Ea existed long before all the gods in Fate. This makes Mystery his own above Excalibur and Avalon.
My favorite became the Emiya one, i remember reading that part of the novel, and literally saying "could it be archer, that you are also a hero of justice?" and then when it was revealed i was shocked cuz i thought my random comment wasn't relevant to the point i forgot it lol
13:09 yeah and they still haven’t made a remake of the Fate route they could add current lore and knights that we haven’t seen yet and most of all the Shirou x Saber in modern day
Fate zero gotta be one of the greatest stories of all time. I fucking loved it, it was super refreshing and unique. Troll this day I haven't found many or really anything as good as zero
You know, hearing “The birth of Anjra that would have destroyed the entire world” really makes me think about how that would happen. I don’t know much about Fate/Atraxia or however you spell it, and only a little about him from F/GO, but I have to assume he would have been a Beast class if that would have happened, with “Evil” being a big part about him. If not, how else would he have the ability to do that? MAN NOW I REALLY WANT TO SEE A SPIN-OFF WHERE HE DOES COME OUT AND A MASTER HAS TO FIGHT HIM WITH THE GRAND SERVANTS WTF THAT SOUNDS SICK
when i first started fate i confused it with apocrypha and thought gilgamesh was in the anime because he was a ruler class because he was with kotomine
Well, one of the reasons Kiritsugu was allowed to lose was because it was a prequel. The thing about prequels, is that they need to set of for the main story. Like with the Star Wars prequels, they needed to set up for the Empire ruling the galaxy.
I see that You all had a good time when you watched UBW, while my bland a** here is thinking about how good i would've felt if i didn't already knew Archer's identity in the first place 😭😫
The best Twist in all of Nasuverse are the friends we made along the way, and the amount of NTR doujinshi we get, my brother in Chris that's a lot of them... And kinda Hot ngl 🥵🔥🔥
I seriously wish we had a proper Fate route. I almost feel like it's obligatory at this point, because Deen's version did not do the job to introduce this franchise. I learned a lot from this video.
But you're wrong, because of DEEN Fate, the Fate franchise is a franchise in the first place instead of being a niche Visual Novel made by a few friends. It totally did introduce what did become the franchise, hell it was the cause of the franchise's existence. I bet you didn't even watch Fate, it's more accurate to the VN than Ufotable's Fates.
@@thegamerfe8751 I did start with Deen's Fate series. It's just been a few years so my memory is a little hazy, but I stand by the idea that we need a pure Fate route rather than the weird amalgamation Deen provided.
@@gluebreeza1999 Exactly. Lol the video itself. Would be him. Getting railed by every servant in every fight..... in any form. Upside.... he's pretty decent at killing humans & uses the grail pretty effectively.
@@gluebreeza1999 intentional or not. It still kinda worked (not really). Angra just overall sucks. Bazett beat him as well.. & in servant terms that speaks volumes.
I don’t hate zero I know most of the ideas come fsn Wat I hate are zero only fans who disregard all of fsn cuz it’s not as quote unquote as edgy as zero Urobutchi did wat he always does I know that 90% of zero is all ideas from nasu While the the actual story is all urobutchi Zero fans disregard fsn cuz they think its a show abt high schoolers and it can reach the supposed levels that zero does
When you find out about a slice of life Doujinshi Series that features an "Emilia" who is Post-HF Shirou in Ilya's body... Who is one of the Prototypes for Chloe "Kuro" von Einzbern from Fate/ Kalleid... And the dude who made those doujin now works on Fate/ Grand Order... Nasuverse be Wild...
I always found it funny when I read on Reddit a translate in regard on Shirou and Emiya’s character design Takashi said he wanted to make the foreshadowing of they’re relationship clear and in your face but still to not be nowhere near overt And you may be asking what’s similar in they’re designs? they look like two different people And the answer is….. The eyebrows The mother flipping eyebrows are the same!!!! I’m laughing because that was it???? The thing I never pay attention in character design???? Genius I tell you on Takashi’s part
Sakura's route is about a bf finding out their girl is for community use, and struggling with himself to abandon her or not. She finds out she's pregnant with another's child and then the bf fight it out with the local pro-life doctor regarding abortion ethics. The sin of killing another, is then washed away by jesus's sacrifice. wtf even is this?
@@LongSinceDead1 The two are as unrelated as you saying "That's a male? That's an interesting to say that's a horse!" If you have neither the literacy to read, the eyes to watch, or the brain to think, please refrain from having that much confidence. But if you must exhibit the confidence to bestow judgement, please game over yourself.
Top 5 hated anime characters: Shingi: piece of worthless trash Griffith: wee all know why Tom tucker full metal: not the daughter man Zoken: poor cariya moto Devil man: that show is just God awful its not even on Netflix anymore
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Alternate title: Top 10 times Nasu broke the reader's ankles
More like the best title
And Urobutcher sticking a knife in your back
@@5L1G_Zeref c'est cool mais où est ma vidéo sur Mash Don't sleep on Mash pls 2 an
@@borislegoute4657 uhhh
@@5L1G_Zeref what he said is "It's cool but where is my video on Best Girl please don't sleep on Best Girl."
Before it even starts. Finding out Archer (Emiya) was actually Shirou. Gilgamesh being in the Gilgamesh class. It was nice.
finding out archer was shirou is one of my favorite plot twists of all time, especially since it was handled so well in ubw route
Gilgamesh being the only spirit in the Gilgamesh class... unless Enkidu shows up.
@@MagnakayViolet Enkidu is in the Psuedo Gilgamesh class
A container such as Archer could never describe his magnanimity and power over all things.
I remember reading Fate/Stay Night vn for the first time. When Archer warned Shirou about his ideals very early on during the Fate route I was like "These 2 think the same way yet they can't seem to get along... Are they...?" and immediately went to the wiki to spoil myself about Archer's real name. I f*cking knew it.
I feel like the corrupted Grail War itself is the greatest plot twist for magi society. When it's corrupted it's kind of funny because these high society magi go through an entire war, something way more than I think a typical magi is prepared for, they go through all this tribulation only to win and you find out from the beginning it was all for nothing and your wish is either not gonna happen or it's gonna be one hell of a monkey's paw. Risking death and worse all for nothing in the end.
I've always loved Salter just because of the contrast when she's Shirou's servant constantly held back in every way possible and then she comes back corrupted and completely off the chain with how she should actually be at least in battle prowess.
To be fair, many magi go into it for the fame and they dont care for the wish, Rin included. And you have crazies like Ryuonusuke that are _just_ having fun.
Here is a twist that didn’t get revealed until Nasu got fed up that no one caught it in Hollow Ataraxia. The prologue of the FSN VN is actually from Archer’s perspective, remembering the ingrained image of Saber’s summoning when he was alive/Shirou.
wow, really?
So the first Saber we see is Archer's Saber?
Damn, now I understand what EMIYA feel everytime he enter a new timeline and meet a new Saber.
Imagine having clairvoyance but never really using it or flat out ignoring the future you see…
Gil just built different 😂
Yeah! Which is funny, considering he's probably the only version of Gil who'd do that. His younger and older versions would have used everything in their disposal.
@@piercingmoon24 yeah caster Gil from Babylonia literally worked himself to death for his people, then just walked out of the underworld like nothing happened
@@jamesmcmillin796 Let's be honest, that was basically just a vacation for him.
Man really just went "I can see the future...except the futures where I lose. Not because I am incapable of it, but because I block it out."
It's like some teenager not being able to see he will lose in a fight with an entire army because he feels like rambo and he'll never be defeated, then proceeds to get destroyed
Honestly my favorite part of zero was kayneth showing off his entire arsenal of defenses and kiritsugu just blows up the entire building with him in it.
The way I’m still not over the fact that Gilgamesh had clairvoyance. Like he knew from the JUMP what was gonna go down and was STILL chillin 🤣
Yes but No, accord by the games, teen-adult Gil sealed his clairvoyance because "was boring"
He unsealed it after enkidu's death, when he becames his most mature version (Caster Gil)
Well he didnt know. He doesnt use it because he believe he is gonna win and any future where he loses is some kind of mistake.
Man the amount of hints throughout ubw pointing towards Archer being Shirou and I missed every single one of them and only worked it out just before they outright said it 🤣
Waver was amazing on Zero.
One of my favorite moments was when his teacher was calling him crap but Iskandar went all proud of him and declared his master was who he has accepted because he, unlike with Diarmud, dared to stand in the battle at his side. Even Gilgamesh grew some respect for Waver when he saw he accompanied Iskandar not as his master, but as his loyal subject.
That time when Archer ask Shirou if Batman should kill Hitler
This whole thing with Diarmuid in Zero made me curious about his myth. I looked on google and I found two versions of the story:
First one is where Fionn wanted a second wife after his first one died. He proposed to Grainne who was hailed as the most beautiful woman at the time, and she agreed. She met Diarmuid during the party and both of the fell inlove. Grainne wanted to elope with Diarmuid, and it took much convincing before he agreed. Fionn once realizing this, went in pursuit; less about his fiancé leaving him and more about Diarmuid betraying him. They went years on the run before Grainne got pregnant and they had to hide in a cave. They were apparently followed by a boar into the cave, and Diarmuid got severely wounded trying to protect his wife; but he killed the boar in the process. Fionn and his knights arrived soon after. Grainne begged Fionn to save Diarmuid. Fionn can apparently heal people by letting them drink from the palm of his hand. Fionn refused out of spite. His knight then urged him to help, but again he refused. After which Fionn's son Oisin insisted, and finally he relents. Unfortunately Diarmuid was dead at that point.
The second one is where Fionn was feeling melancholic due to growing old, and outliving his wives. He asked his knights what he should do about it, and they told him to marry Grainne (for the same reason as the other version). He was shy about asking her due to their gap in age, so he had emissaries do it for him. Grainne thinking that the proposal was for her and Oisin , agreed. Once realizing she was actually marrying Fionn, she opted to back out. She spiked Fionn's drink, and once he's asleep, she started asking Oisin and the other knights if anyone would be willing to run away with her. Everyone refused her including Diarmuid. Probably out of desperation, she placed a geass on Diarmuid, which forced him to elope with her. Fionn similar to the other version, was mad about the betrayal and gave pursuit. Diarmund left pieces of fish as a signal to Fionn that nothing has happened between him and Grainne. But eventually after being chided by Grainne for his lack of "courage", Diarmuid gave in and stopped leaving fish. They evaded Fionn for years with the help of a god of love. Fast forward, and Diarmuid and Grainne now has 4 kids, so they decided to make amends. Fionn, more or less forgives them and accepts them back. Fast forward a bit more and Fionn issued a hunt for a boar terrorizing his lands, Diarmuid came along with his weaker short sword and spear. Unfortunately Diarmuid was under another geass, and the boar was actually a reincarnation of a kid his father accidentally killed; so Diarmuid cannot pierce its skin. After beating the boar to death with the blunt side of his weapons, Diarmuid was severely wounded. Fionn immediately went to fetch water to heal his friend, but on his way back was reminded of Diarmuid's betrayal, and the water slipped away. He tried again but the same thing happened. He succeeded at the third attempt by reminding himself of the good times they had, but Diarmuid was dead at that point.
I'm not really sure which version Fate used, but I personally liked the second one.
Pretty sure Fate used the second one too. It's a lot neater imo and I think the more commonly used one anyway.
On FGO game, in the pieces of lore they give kinda give away is the second version
If I remember correctly Deen/Stay Night was my first exposure to Fate. I know people didn't like it at the time but I really enjoyed it. A part I consider a plot twist is when Gilgamesh showed up. I knew nothing of Fate at the time so I didn't expect an 8th servant to show up and was equally surprised how easily Gil dominated Shiro and Saber. If the Fate route got a remake at some point I wonder if the same thing could happen again considering how popular Fate is now?
Meanwhile my first exposure was Fate/Extella. Getting into the series was incredibly cursed because the game both set completely wrong expectations for what the rest of the series is like, aswell as making inconsistencies between titles easier to swallow.(As in, I had no trouble understanding that Stay Night 06 is not literally the same world as in the anime I just watched and the one I was about to watch right afterwards, because I was already introduced to parallel timelines)
The west really liked Deen/Stay Night when it aired until the original VN got fully fan translated years later and they realized how far off script the adaptation went.
Deen/Stay Night was also my first exposure to Fate so the VN was a real eye opener and the perfect primer for when Zero aired.
@@DiogenesTheCynic. There was a time when it got appreciation? Honestly a bit unbelievable with how it only has an incredibily niche fanbase these days.
My introduction to fate was the 1st anime
And i remember i revealed all the servant names (except the original character aka. Faker! and kojiro, since i know nothing about japanese history) just by little hints my cousin gave me
I think he later went to a wiki to confirm those answers
It was an hilarious moment
@@lpfan4491 Like it stated, right at the beggining probably
Since the idea itself is great, but when the source material arrived everyone realized while the idea was good the implementation wasn't
GOD thank you for your continued
Fate and Nasuverse content. I always love hearing your perspectives, and I also 100 percent agree 'edgy' is way overused, ill-understood, and really just seems to be used by people to say 'oh this is darker than puppies, sparkles, and kitties so it must be bad'.
I love the twist of the grail being corrupted as it sustains itself on human thoughts, desires and wishes which also lends it the power to screw the rules because it responds to longings more than logic, proving that the characters with the strongest thoughts are the crazy bad ones. The protagonists have to get lucky when the grand prize is trying to gift itself to the baddest baddies before the game starts. 😄
Can u explain I didn't understand
@@archer433 the strongest players thinking they’re the good guys or doing a good thing.
That's just Gilgamesh's bs tho. It just happens to fit in with what the grail will do regardless of who wins.
Well F/SN can be summarized as being about mages, so it's not exactly surprising that a ritual to obtain power to reach utopia goes wrong from the start, since they humans in the end just with cheat codes. Historically fitting as well, given the utopian movements of the time.
Thing is...
Why does Fate/ Apocrypha Grail was different than Fate/ Stay Night Grail...?
Fate/ Apocrypha is the Fuyuki Grail getting stolen before it could be corrupted by Angra Maingyu...
It should have been capable of anything without limits...
But that Grail still got corrupted by Yggdmillenia...
Biggest plot twist:people die when they’re killed
The Aaron headbutt video was hilarious
Gigguk Tsiah Aaron Dai
The four horsemen of Fate
With shrou and archer I also think is shows with there clothes. Shirou top is blue and white while archer has red and black white the sleeves being blue and red and the chest area is white and black even there bottom half show this shirou white blue jeans and archer with his cloak which is red
I shit you not that plot twist is the entire reason why i am this deep in the nasuverse.
When watching ubw i was like "i wish it was better, the archer confrontation is some of the best thing i've ever watched, i really want to like the show but it's so sloppy in so many regards"
I learned about the vn being much better and jumped the boat... ubw is perfect actually.
Honestly one thing I don't like about Fate is we never see Illya's grandfather do anything in the 5th war. I assume he would need a sneaky strategy to actually win the war since Illya would grow weaker overtime.
This is why I want Illya have a route and have her grandfather make an appearance in her story more.
Agreed even Zouken got time to shine and we saw dark Sakura give zouken his just deserts. Now imagine if Illya gave her grandfather his just desserts
@@thirdplanet4471Don’t forget Irisviel had her moment too
That's the "worst" thing about it. They dont have any other plans if Ilya fails. And Ilya has the maids for that reason, to help her as she gets weaker. Dont forget that the Leys, the "dumb" one that attacks Gil in UBW, is the dress that Ilya wears in HF.
Ilya's grandfather isn't a normal person or even a normal homunculus. He doesn't show up because he lacks the capacity of thought even more than Zouken, who is completely degrading in mind and soul, especially since he can't leave the castle
24:08
The only reason I know about this fact I because of the Bazette thing is because of Unlimited Codes.
Correct me if am wrong but Heaven's feel was also a plot twist since it wasn't about the Holy Grail war but rather more of a relationship. Illiya wanting to protect Shirou, Rin protecting Sakura, Shirou being the Hero of Justice for Sakura
Fate zero is bumped up to one of my fav animes. Jesus that Greek tragedy hits hard but good! Every character was spot on perfectly developed and had depth!
"Every character was spot on, perfectly developed and had depth"
This honestly reads like a joke, if you truly did watch Zero you'd know that only a few of the characters are actually well written with the rest being average to actual garbage tier writing (Saber).
Best twist was people die if they are killed.
I'm so happy I started with fate/zero because the ending was just the perfect way to get me hooked on fate.
7:13 the Catholic version of "fuck around and find out?"
Only guts from berserk had a worst childhood than kiritsugu. Sheeeeesh the darkness levels are strong with this one!
A lot of interesting points and they sound really good to me
I like the dark aspect of fate, it makes it more realistic. Also one plot twist I liked was how strong Madusa is when she has a proper master and not shinji 😅
Good video as always Tsiah! Much love man as a fan ❤. Keep it up with these quality content
What you say about saber being not explored reminded me on how FGO have Saber as the App icon yet she never appeared in the main story at all.
The biggest plot twist in fate is that Kadoc Zemlupus went from a stand in for NTR protags in doujins to Ritsukas gay lover.
You love to see it.
Jk the best plot twist is when Nagayoshi tells Shinji in Koha Ace/Redline that he's not Miyamoto Musashi. Is what I would say if most people didn't already play FGO and saw this twist coming from miles away.
Still a good twist simply by the novelty of a shinjifaces's ego being violently knocked to rock bottom when it turns out his ace in the hole wasn't THE Miyamoto Musashi but just some guy with a spear and an appetite for slaughter
Lmao ryio is great but i love that he becomes his gay lover he's basically the opposite male fujimaru
Yeah if you played fgo some redline plot twists are obviously seen from an alternate universe of distance
I mean, even if we didnt know what Musashi looks like, male or DATA LOST, huge guy with spear and metal armor is pretty far from what you think when you hear Miyamoto Musashi. At the very least we would be suspicious of it.
After Gordon Ramsey I lost it :D
Your essays are awesome as always, love it! Keep it up!
I like how if it wasnt for archer , shirou would not have lived to the end of 2 routes, so much for hating him
You know what would be a cool topic. Everyone's favorite class, the saver class. Ngl I just remembered that it existed
You know I know how big and dramatic the whole twist surrounding Shirou and Archer is but thanks to my love of the tales series specifically tales of the abyss, every time I look at these 2 I keep thinking of:
Meaning of Birth.
Archer and or Shirou calling the other a replica.
And a cool fight happens.
I mean yeah the cool fight does indeed still happen but now I am imagining if we play meaning of birth in the background.
Is finding out Saber was actually King Arthur a plot twist? Cause that's my favorite twist.
It was when it first came out. Pretty funny to think that people thought she was Jeanne d'Arc at first.
@@melissaredburm9483 Saber, from a certain Abridged series: "Do I look remotely French to you!?"
Well taking out the fact that genderbend in fate exists and she's a king, not a queen... YES, it is
I'll never forget watching DEEN Fate and seeing Saber yell out "EXUCALIBAH!", I was totally shocked that she was THE King Arthur.
The plottwists and larger developments were honestly some of the best parts of these animes(Context being that I am an anime only who went through these titles in chronological and route-order, so Zero to Stay Night 06 to UBW. And eventually the older UBW movie as a bonus). Archer and Shirou, Shirou having avalon, the huge shifts in dynamics in Zero that move at a rapic pace...it's just pretty good.
I eventually stopped following because of getting overly stressed over the fanbase being sorta obnoxious about certain things and it being pretty inconsistent on if I liked a bit of content from the series, but I think I should get back into it as I was a bit too emotional, probably from getting into it with scuffed expectations and binging every animated content available at the time. I think I will watch Heavens Feel sooner rather than later because it is the one thing I am still current missing mainline. Well, besides the fateroute anime I obviously can't watch because it still doesn't exist yet.(Which sucks. I know there are no new reveals in there left for me, but I would still like to watch it. Ufotable, plz.)
Awesome video
I have the unpopular opinion that even Gilgamesh knew that he couldn't kill the monster Gilles summoned via clairvoyance in Fate/Zero and gave that responsibility to Saber. Afterall, Excalibur does surpass Ea at least in regards to its functionality for killing monsters or world threatening things, that's its specialty. Kind of like the whole situation with Excalibur being the only NP being able to kill Sefar. The monster Gilles summoned is highly underrated, the thing was literally a Cthulhu, if you ever studied Cthulhu, they are Outerversal even as a concept; lowly creature or not. I thought that's why Gil seemed so impressed and even praised her a bit, telling Iskandar as well.
I could be wrong but that's what I got from it, Prelati's spellbook and all specialized in that sort of thing. Not to mention that the higher tier outer gods aren't any lower than outerversal+ in the current cosmology of the nasuverse so this one that Gilles summoned was probably lower but not lower than low outerversal. Just my hot take.
Well... It's not that Excalibur is better than Ea at handling specific enemies, the unsealed version is just flat out stronger than Ea.
It was mentioned in Material that Gil is the strongest character in both FSN and Fate Zero. Logically, this is a comparison that includes all the characters at their peak, so Gil > Gilles.
It was mentioned that one sword from GoB, which is "Gram", is equal to the power of the strongest holy sword, "Excalibur". Then we have "Merodach", which is the prototype of "Gram". According to what was mentioned in the FSN visual novel, the prototypes are stronger than the replicas. Therefore, "Merodach" is stronger than Exceller. In short, Gilgamesh was able to defeat Gilles monster easily and without even having to use Ea
It was never mentioned that "Excliper surpass Ea", on the contrary, all sources say that Ea is stronger than the unsealed Excliper (sources such as FGO-law of creation and Fate strange fake)
Exclibur is not the only NP capable of killing Sefar. Gil mentioned in Extella that Ea is capable of defeating Sefar in the final stage. Also, Sefar did not fight Mesopotamian gods in the first place. On the contrary, Sefar spared Gilgamesh’s father and made a contract with Mesopotamian gods.
It was mentioned in Babylonia that aliens (such as Sefar) cannot defeat Tiamat, so Tiamat > Sefar. In LB7 hooves of the Bull of Heaven are capable of damaging ORT, so logically the bull will crush Sefar, without forgetting Alter Eresh, which is above Sefar. It was mentioned in the BB Matrix that Ishtar (in her prime) represents one of the mothers goddesses (like Tiamat) and that she even has “Potnia Theron.” Add to that the Bull of Heaven, and Ishtar will be able to deal with Sefar easily. This is without mentioning the rest of the major gods, such as Marduk...etc.
It is mentioned in Extella material that the god Ea is the outrank of all the gods in fate and also the oldest of them all. This means that his sword (sword of rupture) is the strongest divine weapon.
@@thegamerfe8751 I don't think so because according to FGO and the Fate strange fake, The Gilgamesh Matrix, Ea is stronger than the unsealed Exclibur. I will only give one source.
FGO-law of creation:
The most mystifying treasure among the countless relics from the King of Heroes' collection.
The three stone tablets on the blade each symbolize heaven, earth, and the underworld... As such, it is said to represent the universe and so affects not only the bodies of those it faces, but the entire world itself.
It's the *strongest* and *oldest* Noble Phantasm man has ever laid his hands on
@@E0ns Nice breakdown but a lot of the references you used aren't taking into account an unsealed Excalibur such as the comparison to Merodach. They're not equal by any means when one or more seals is used and Merodach had no way of fully destroying Gilles monster because it is identical to Caliburn in power. F/SN & FGO Artoria both have seals, so it really isn't different from prototype version of Excalibur either, that whole thing has been retconned. I think the point of my comment at the time was to say that Excalibur is the strongest even over Ea vs invading threats because it scales with its niche use of defending the planet at all costs.
Also, in LB7 it took a juiced up version of Excalibur mounted on the Storm Border to even begin to do damage to ORT. That's something Ea could never do. I will say that Ea in terms of overall destruction can probably go as far as reaching several textures in the world but not destroying the Reverse Side of the World which is still something Excalibur can never do. If you study the cosmology of the Nasuverse even without the counter-force restrictions it wouldn't be able to reach that deep. When we are discussing direct attack potency of Ea vs unsealed Excalibur, Excalibur is much stronger. Since we know Avalon is the realm of the soul and not unconsciousness like a reality marble which Ea is specialized in destroying, that's much deeper than what Ea or the Five True Magics can reach. So that statement of destroying the world seven times is really just saying the outer-most layers up to or maybe the linch-pin, Rhongomyniad but not beyond.
Main takeaway is that because Avalon/Reverse Side of the World is the domain of the soul, it surpasses consciousness, subconsciousness, unconsciousness, it’s metaphysical and is not affected by something capable of destroying time-space, physical matter, energy and potentially even thoughts outside of awareness. Finally, Mystery can only be powered by the collective unconsciousness of The World which we know to be already metaphysical and where Jungian Archetypes reside.
@@cmartin1409 Nope the context was referring to the unsealed Exclibur, I will quote
Description of Gram from VN:
"Der Ring des Nibelungen", composed later in Middle Ages Germany, is the story of a knight equal to the legend of King Arthur, and the sword Gram changes its name and appears in it as Balmung. As the "strongest demonic sword" equaling the "strongest holy sword", it even possesses the special characteristic of dragon slayer"
We also get that "Merodach" is considered a prototype of "Gram", which makes it stronger than "Gram". I will quote
"Children cannot defeat their parents. An imitation that deteriorates every time it is renewed cannot match the original model"
Result:- Merodach > Gram = Unsealed Exclibur
Gil has both "Merodach" and "Gram"
Give me the source in which it was stated that "Merodach" cannot destroy the Gilles monster? While on the other hand, random, unknown swords from GoB were able to kill divine spirits as if they were nothing
Ea is superior to Exclibur in all aspects, whether Mystery, power, or concept. I want to tell you that the counterforce will not work against Ea either, because in Strange Fake Enkidu drained the counterforce to block one attack from *servant* Gil.
Ea was not present in LB7 in first place and cannot be reproduced, so I do not understand your point here. When we are discussing direct attack potency of Ea vs unsealed Excalibur, Ea is much stronger and this is what Nasu himself said
"The most mystifying treasure among the countless relics from the King of Heroes' collection.
The three stone tablets on the blade each symbolize heaven, earth, and the underworld... As such, it is said to represent the universe and so affects not only the bodies of those it faces, but the entire world itself.
"It's the *strongest* and oldest Noble Phantasm man has ever laid his hands on"
This statement is in 2019-2020 and the unsealed Exclibur was already known before this time. Notice how the NPs themselves are compared, and Ea is placed at the top of all the NPs
Ea is not anti-reality marble but anti-world, I will quote
*Enuma Elish*
"It's true power is not meant to be used against one individual, but the *World itself.* Apparently it does not just produce pseudo-fissures in space-time, but it outright influences the flow of space-time and distorts space"
Base Gil was able to destroy the mooncell reality with Ea, which is stated to be 8D-9D, much higher than the lower dimension Avalon, which is 6D. Not only that, but Mooncell is able to observe the lower dimensions as if it just a book, so Mooncell is able to create Avalon's territory in its reality.
Just by being discovered moon cell by humans in Extra it literally downgraded The Third True Magic to a mere magecraft (called the Third Magecraft). It also can grant Sliding ability which allows parallel world hopping to anyone it wants and can even decide which world to prune or lock, just like Zelretch who is the user of the Second. It could even send BB to FGO timeline. Furthermore it utilizes the Blue Particles to reduce summoning cost of servants which might be related to the Fifth.
One attack from Ea brought the planet close to death. So destroying the world seven times is a nightmare, so don't try to downplay this
It was mentioned in Strange Fake that Ea is older than the *stars* and planet. Not only that, but it was also mentioned that Ea existed long before all the gods in Fate. This makes Mystery his own above Excalibur and Avalon.
Sasaki Kojiro will always be in my headcannon the #1 candidate for Grand Saber
It's officially confirmed that Grand Saber has Excalibur, what we don't know if it's Artoria or Proto Arthur (or even someone else).
@@thegamerfe8751 source??
My favorite became the Emiya one, i remember reading that part of the novel, and literally saying "could it be archer, that you are also a hero of justice?" and then when it was revealed i was shocked cuz i thought my random comment wasn't relevant to the point i forgot it lol
Exactly what i was looking for, video essay to listen to while doing dishes
The moment I found out emiya was shirou was his eye brows
13:09 yeah and they still haven’t made a remake of the Fate route they could add current lore and knights that we haven’t seen yet and most of all the Shirou x Saber in modern day
Salter vs Heracles isn't a fight. It's a murder.
Fate zero gotta be one of the greatest stories of all time. I fucking loved it, it was super refreshing and unique. Troll this day I haven't found many or really anything as good as zero
You know, hearing “The birth of Anjra that would have destroyed the entire world” really makes me think about how that would happen. I don’t know much about Fate/Atraxia or however you spell it, and only a little about him from F/GO, but I have to assume he would have been a Beast class if that would have happened, with “Evil” being a big part about him. If not, how else would he have the ability to do that?
MAN NOW I REALLY WANT TO SEE A SPIN-OFF WHERE HE DOES COME OUT AND A MASTER HAS TO FIGHT HIM WITH THE GRAND SERVANTS WTF THAT SOUNDS SICK
You're totally wrong about him actually, you really should read Hollow Ataraxia after all cause you really wouldn't expect the plot twist
when i first started fate i confused it with apocrypha and thought gilgamesh was in the anime because he was a ruler class because he was with kotomine
Nice video
I am the bone of my sword.
But I already knew that.
Well, one of the reasons Kiritsugu was allowed to lose was because it was a prequel. The thing about prequels, is that they need to set of for the main story. Like with the Star Wars prequels, they needed to set up for the Empire ruling the galaxy.
I love Aron headbut 😭
Archer being Shirou is one of the greatest twists in all of anime
Make a Don't sleep on Chiron
"Shiro & Emilia"
"Kiyosugu"
"Zulken"
"Sasuke"
Bro, this is some major autocorrect issue 😭
Great video!
I see that You all had a good time when you watched UBW, while my bland a** here is thinking about how good i would've felt if i didn't already knew Archer's identity in the first place 😭😫
My sister thought that Archer was aheroic spirit of Robin Hood lol
If Gilles had a proper master he probably would've won.
The Fate Route bad ends beat into my mind Ilya is not someone to fuck with.
The best Twist in all of Nasuverse are the friends we made along the way, and the amount of NTR doujinshi we get, my brother in Chris that's a lot of them... And kinda Hot ngl 🥵🔥🔥
Sakura best girl
4:02 didn’t the Shadow eliminate Emiya cause he is a counter guardian that would have eventually took it down?
you literally just made this up
But, counter guardians are suppose to eliminate threats to the world. Surely the Shadow would know what counter guardians are.
I seriously wish we had a proper Fate route. I almost feel like it's obligatory at this point, because Deen's version did not do the job to introduce this franchise.
I learned a lot from this video.
But you're wrong, because of DEEN Fate, the Fate franchise is a franchise in the first place instead of being a niche Visual Novel made by a few friends.
It totally did introduce what did become the franchise, hell it was the cause of the franchise's existence.
I bet you didn't even watch Fate, it's more accurate to the VN than Ufotable's Fates.
@@thegamerfe8751 I did start with Deen's Fate series. It's just been a few years so my memory is a little hazy, but I stand by the idea that we need a pure Fate route rather than the weird amalgamation Deen provided.
First and don't sleep on angra mainyu video
@@gluebreeza1999 Exactly. Lol the video itself. Would be him. Getting railed by every servant in every fight..... in any form. Upside.... he's pretty decent at killing humans & uses the grail pretty effectively.
@@gluebreeza1999 intentional or not. It still kinda worked (not really). Angra just overall sucks. Bazett beat him as well.. & in servant terms that speaks volumes.
I don’t hate zero
I know most of the ideas come fsn
Wat I hate are zero only fans who disregard all of fsn cuz it’s not as quote unquote as edgy as zero
Urobutchi did wat he always does
I know that 90% of zero is all ideas from nasu
While the the actual story is all urobutchi
Zero fans disregard fsn cuz they think its a show abt high schoolers and it can reach the supposed levels that zero does
Growing up is realizing both zero and fsn are peak
Who's Eren headbutt, tryna watch their video
Aron Headbutt video is this one ua-cam.com/video/A7UH3NZERnw/v-deo.html
@@redstrat5976 ur a goat, I've been subscribed to them so idk how i couldn't find it
How tall is archer
Shirou and Emilia? The freak?
make a video don't Sleep on Chiron you made almost all your disciples but not their master
Shirou and Emilia
When you find out about a slice of life Doujinshi Series that features an "Emilia" who is Post-HF Shirou in Ilya's body...
Who is one of the Prototypes for Chloe "Kuro" von Einzbern from Fate/ Kalleid...
And the dude who made those doujin now works on Fate/ Grand Order...
Nasuverse be Wild...
please is ubw the canon route for shirou
if Zero was a VN all endings are bad lawlz
I always found it funny when I read on Reddit a translate in regard on Shirou and Emiya’s character design Takashi said he wanted to make the foreshadowing of they’re relationship clear and in your face but still to not be nowhere near overt
And you may be asking what’s similar in they’re designs? they look like two different people
And the answer is…..
The eyebrows
The mother flipping eyebrows are the same!!!!
I’m laughing because that was it???? The thing I never pay attention in character design????
Genius I tell you on Takashi’s part
What do you ean the Shadow wasn't supposed to be in game?
I'm curious as to why the shadow showed up in HF and not the ubw or fate
This was never said. The only info we have is that Ilya route and Sakura route were merged.
Sakura's route is about a bf finding out their girl is for community use, and struggling with himself to abandon her or not. She finds out she's pregnant with another's child and then the bf fight it out with the local pro-life doctor regarding abortion ethics. The sin of killing another, is then washed away by jesus's sacrifice.
wtf even is this?
Wait is that actually what happens
Pro life priest vs pro choice high schooler lol
“For community use”? That’s a pretty disgusting way of saying “was repeatedly sexually abused for most of her life”.
@@LongSinceDead1 it's not that deep
@@LongSinceDead1 The two are as unrelated as you saying
"That's a male? That's an interesting to say that's a horse!"
If you have neither the literacy to read, the eyes to watch, or the brain to think, please refrain from having that much confidence. But if you must exhibit the confidence to bestow judgement, please game over yourself.
Nice ❤️
Top 5 hated anime characters:
Shingi: piece of worthless trash
Griffith: wee all know why
Tom tucker full metal: not the daughter man
Zoken: poor cariya moto
Devil man: that show is just God awful its not even on Netflix anymore