Wonder Woman Got It Wrong. Did You?
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SPOILERS AHEAD.
Wonder Woman 1984 will be hitting theaters (or streaming services) soon. Gal Gadot was fantastic as Diana in 2017’s Wonder Woman, but… she didn’t get her worldview quite right. She had to learn a powerful lesson about how humanity actually works, and it’s time to explain what Wonder Woman got wrong and why it matters to you.
It’s tempting to oversimplify both great things and terrible things by assigning responsibility to one important player. Diana was convinced that Ares, the God of War, was the mastermind behind World War I. So, logically, killing Ares meant ending the war.
Unfortunately, Diana found out that it just doesn’t work that way.
And whether you’re celebrating or blaming Obama, Trump, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden or Jeff Bezos, chances are it’s a lot more complex than that. Understanding that it’s not as straightforward as ‘your guy = good, their guy = evil’ is something Diana had to come to terms with… and she almost got there.
We’ll see whether she’s refined her understanding of the world in Wonder Woman 1984, but you can solve this problem right now by recognizing that almost nothing is as simple as it seems.
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Produced by Sean W. Malone
Written by Sean W. Malone
Edited by Arash Ayrom & Sean W. Malone
Asst. Edited by Jason Reinhardt
Thanks to Matt Tabor & Tim Webster
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"If only it were so simple! If only there were evil people somewhere insidiously committing evil deeds, and it were necessary only to separate them from the rest of us and destroy them. But the line between good and evil cuts through the heart of every human being. And who is willing to destroy a piece of his own heart?"
-Alexander Solzhenitsyn: The Gulag Archipelago, volume 1
+ Prussian Nights ...
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I gotta read this book.
it call conflict of intereast..
@@hariman7727 We all do. But it can be boring if you're not prepared for it. Just remember to keep going once you start. I'm sure a library local to you will have a copy, and if not you could use the inter-library loan program.
If it comes down to it (and you have a VPN and are personal security conscious) you can download it. Just make that your last effort. Buy it if you can, rather than downloading, but read the book.
EXACTLY!!!
How am I supposed to have constructive dialogue with friends and colleagues, especially my fellow law students, when they think that I am a fascist if I disagree with them about, say, minimum wage or the BLM protests?
I really do want to disagree and have a constructive conversation, but I'm terrified of being labeled a certain way and it impacting my future career along with my grades.
This video is as much for those folks as it is for you... if not more so. But my general advice is to try your best to keep having conversations with whomever is willing.
For what its worth, your friends and colleagues (i.e., the ones who think you're a fascist if you disagree with them) are too stupid to deserve to be law students. They should go learn about what fascism actually is before doing anything else.
As always, LARA -- Listen, Affirm, Respond, Add. If they say they want a higher minimum wage, agree with them that people aren't paid enough, that we should change things to help the least productive workers, and then add that you're worried that they might lose their jobs if the employer is forced to raise their wages.
You're NEVER going to change minds by correcting people's mistakes. You have to get inside their protective sphere first by finding something you can agree with.
Yes, it's fucking hard to do. Fucking hard.
A really good example of the Socratic method, which is essentially wat has been suggested, is crowder's "change my mind" videos. Break the ice by finding common ground and connecting with them, if u attack in anyway this will fail. U know wat its like to be challenged and wat ur response was afterward, thats the essential thing to avoid.
@@RussellNelson Excellent suggestion! I occasionally see it done but never thought of it as an actual tactic to use.
“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.” - C. S. Lewis.
No truer words have been spoken by Man in our entire History, & now we as a nation are besieged by people the think that THEY"Are On The Right Side Of History" & that there are no limits on their actions "Because They Are RIGHT".
"They may be more likely to go to heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "Cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals."
Except the communists/fascists don't care about American citizens.
@@MetaKnight964 Well let's be fair here, Fascists don't care about CERTAIN American citizens.
Particularly the ones who create the kind of books they burned.
One of the problems the US has is that you don't have a strong 3rd choice. If you had (and probably also a strong 4th and 5th choice) it would mean that Democrats and Republicans would need to make compromises to form a working government. It's not a good idea to demonize your political opponent if you might have to form a coalition with said opponent in four years to form a government.
@@MyRegardsToTheDodo That's nice, but in actual practice countries with multiple parties are just several Left Wing parties with a single Conservative party.
In these countries the left wing parties ACTIVELY work together to suppress the Right Wing party.
I agree. The ending could have been so much more powerful if she didn't fight Ares at the end. He revealed that complex problems don't have simple solutions and than Steve sacrificed himself to save others.
And I hope they don't bring Steve back in the next movie or it'll cheapen his sacrifice and the lesson she learned there.
@@jennted Well it's clear that he is back from all the trailers, however since it's connected to the Monkey Paw my guess is that he either a) is only back for a limited time (Onward style) or b) in order to stop the villian she'll have to destroy the Monkey Paw and thus kill him
I do agree though, if he ends up surviving it would cheapen his sacrifice.
Yeah but it was a fun fight to watch tho
It would be boring if there's no fight scene. You know, who else would she fight in the end.
@@har5814 It's boring in the hands of a shit writer.
I like how WWI started as explained by Blackadder: “It just became too hard not to have a war”.
I thought it was because some guy named Archy Duke killed an Ostrich?
@@als3022 actually Alucard accidentally killed the Arch Duke and blamed it on some other guy
@@regiman222 aaah Gavrillo Princip, you and your cospirator made one hell of a boom with only a pistol and a home made grenade
@@als3022 Nah, the war started because of the vile Hun and his empire-building.
WWI the biggest family fight in history
Small story to share with you all... My mom grew up in communist Czechoslovakia. One day during 80s she was seen, by her high school teacher, throwing rice on communist riot police during what was called "peace demonstration" (think hippies but with more focus on the government than society and more focus on classical liberalism). Obviously the teacher made a huge affair over it and even wrote this incident into her "personnel report" (the list of incidents that might prove or dissaprove your loyalty or lack there of) - 2 years later my mom is applying for medical school to be a nurse and even though she had almost perfect knowledge of the topic, her application has not been accepted. Today she works 12h shifts for a minimal wage, with 1 hour commute, with only every second week free... just thought to share this with y'all as in my eyes it is an example of people believing in their cause as the only just one and through this belief being capable of massive damage on lives of many individuals.
I was given some family history this year. Some of my ancestors were Germans that were invited to start a colony off the Volga river by Saratov when Catherine the Great (a German) married into the Russian royalty. For a few centuries it was basically a "little Germany". Then when the Bolsheviks took over, they gave the Volga Germans what the Germans thought was a free choice by the Bolsheviks. That was to continue their way of life, or to work on a commune. They chose to continue their way of life. The Bolsheviks then sent them to Siberia without being able to take property as punishment. Some of my ancestors were able to escape to Germany, and some went to America. Many of the descendants that were sent to Siberia are still there.
@@12vscience My grampa's grampa was born in Kansas, but with a little shift of factors, I'd be a Wolgadeutsche, living in Kazakhstan or Siberia.
There was still middle-aged people speaking German in 1920's Kansas.
Aren't the choices people make interesting? The whole butterfly effect, you know? From what information I have gathered, before WW1, the British felt threatened that Germany would be too powerful. So they built up an alliance against it. The Great War was triggered. Lots of death and destruction happened. Germany was punished hard. This gave an opportunity for Hitler to rise. Germany and others helped send Lenin with a bunch of gold to Russia to destabilize it. The Bolsheviks took over. They oppressed, starved, and killed many people in their own country and destabilized many regions in the world. Many more people suffered and died. Then the communists took the "long march through the institutions" in America. Now America has communists shaping the minds of young people in school, refusing to uphold good laws (private property protection), and are enacting bad laws (mandating no new gasoline vehicle be sold in California by a certain date). Here are some links to what I am talking about:
Ideological Subversion ua-cam.com/video/KLdDmeyMJls/v-deo.html
2020 Economic Outlook ua-cam.com/video/p6lskdFH76M/v-deo.html
Lenin on the Train ua-cam.com/video/VIgqGQmsmUM/v-deo.html
Lenin & Trotsky ua-cam.com/video/CPoJ6raesow/v-deo.html
WW1 ua-cam.com/video/tclAbWvBt70/v-deo.html
Rules for Radicals freedomoutpost.com/all-the-reasons-you-need-to-know-to-vote-out-the-democrats/
@@12vscience "This gave an opportunity for Hitler to rise"
High school level research. No, the Communist Weimar Republic caused Hitler to rise.
Label someone as evil, and you can do whatever atrocities you want with this person.
*"The Path to Hell is Paved with Good Intentions"*
True, but also the road to heaven is narrow and the unrighteous won’t be allowed in.
I was going to type the same thing 😆❤❤
Der Weg zur Hölle ist gepflastert mit guten Absichten
"How dare you challenge my likes!"
"There can be only one ruler of the comment section!"
To quote Hot Fuzz, "the greater good."
I'm kinda done with all of Hollywood's BS
This year put things in perspective
@@JailanSimon that is one good thing I think we can all take from 2020
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo touché
Been done a long time ago. Saved money for me.
@Kvothe Windrunner Greece, Turkey, Ethiopia, Italy, Spain, and North Africa were all very well-connected; there were colonies of all sorts of people in about every major city. Black people are common in Greek mythology as well--if my memory serves me, Memnon was Ethiopian and very dark-skinned.
"Here's why WWI was one of the most destructive events in history based on its effects on politics and economics and had lasting effects for the next 100 years. But we're not talking about that today."
Why? Why do you tease us like this?
Cause the History channel exists :P
@@FEEonline I'm old enough to remember when the History Channel aired actual history programming. Now it is all reality BS and Ancient Aliens....
@@iamshawngriffin they did air the lie that Shermans were shit back then though
@@FEEonline I'd propose to give "The Great War" a try (ua-cam.com/users/TheGreatWar) or "The Great War BBC 1964" (ua-cam.com/video/TWJlv8hy0jQ/v-deo.html)
Foundation for Economic Education Actually, what you said is right. Some little thing we do today could unexpectedly make a huge impact to the people in the next 100 years.
Politics ruins everything.
-Viva Frei
Politics is how we settle arguments by talking instead of bashing each other's brains out. - Heinlein, paraphrased, Podkayne of Mars
@@jkknight9209 Politics is power in application. Conversations are about exchanging information. Arguments are about exchanging ignorance.
Politics is the activity of running a state, but to a less common and less literal degree, organizations like companies, clubs, agencies, etc. The latter uses are less literal because they do not concern the state ("polis" or city, the origin of "politics"). Companies have managers, clubs are exclusive and don't need to care about the rights of citizens, etc etc etc.
Arguments are not politics or ignorance, but expressions of disagreement. They are not good or bad unless the people arguing are doing so well or poorly.
Politics may only be defined as power in application if referring to "political" power, which would be a circular definition (politics is political power in application).
Politics does not ruin anything because it is not something that states can choose to have or do - it is just a description of something that exists. Similarly, we wouldn't say that schools are ruined by education or that economies are ruined by economics.
What ruins everything is political games / politicking and politicians themselves.
More true now than ever. Politics is a dirty game of lies deceit.
@@acatwithafancyhat5782 Certainly. It also tends to attract sociopaths and psychopaths. That makes it dangerous to ignore.
The movie version of Wonder Woman is analogous to a college student; Naive, brainwashed by educators, entering the larger world for the first time only to find out things are very different from what she expected.
And she failed her primary goals because she misidentified her obstacles.
"But goodness alone is never enough. A hard, cold wisdom is required for goodness to accomplish good. Goodness without wisdom always accomplishes evil."
-Robert A. Heinlein, _Stranger in a Strange Land_
That reminds me of, "It is not enough to do good, you must also do it well."
"For the greater good" is the most evil phrase in the English language from my perspective.
It's also vague. What's this greater good? Who will benefit from it? Most of the times, the greater good for some becomes the greater evil for many.
Agreed, because that is usually one of the lies people use to "justify" evil actions.
Next to heretic and follow by burn the witch.
Vern Eblestien. I think it depends on the situation that its used in. Just look at the trolley problem; the person who pulls the switch to save the five workers at the cost of the one worker "for the greater good" isn't necessarily evil for doing so.
@@alaskamark4562 There is a HUGE difference between a hero willingly sacrificing his life to save others and some evil bureaucrat sacrificing many lives to enrich their own. One is noble and chosen by the individual who was negatively affected, the other is wicked.
I volunteered and am setting up a UA-cam channel for my Church so those too elderly or at risk can stay home but still be a part of the community.
Nice!
Very nice! I'm about to give my church a Christmas gift in the form of a nice camera that can be remotely controlled, allowing us to operate with one less volunteer each week. I'm actually watching this video while procrastinating, cause it's a lot of money for me 😅
The video is good encouragement tho. Time to spend some money to save ~200 man-hours over the next year spent doing a boring job.
"Out of frame" is simply an awesome series
indeed. don't always agree with what he says, but most of the time i do.
I'm reminded of Roman Triumphs near the end of this video.
A conquering general who gained new territory for Rome would be granted a Triumph, a military parade.
But before the procession begins, the generals Second was meant to whisper in his ear "Momento Mori"
Roughly translated in that context to mean "Remember thou art mortal"
Its interesting to see how ancient cultures and societies seemed to understand very well the destructive influence of power, as well as many other things. The ways they dealt with them may seem silly today, but we don't have our own ways that are as effective.
Whispering "momento mori" into the ear of a conquering general, being paraded through the streets of what many in the empire may have considered "the greatest city on earth" and being showered with love and praise by its people; was probably very corrupting.
Who wouldn't let all that go even a little bit to their head? The words held such significance to them. "You're mortal. You can die. You're *not* a God. And if you let it all go to your head, they *will* kill you."
No better was this seen history, than Julius Ceasar.
The politicians and people with power aren't gods. They are mortal, flesh and bone and all that implies. Flawed.
No side is wholly good or evil, and probably doesn't have the power or knowledge to solve everything.
Caesar was not killed by the people though. He was killed by the Senators because he took their power away and the people hated his assassins and wanted to kill them, even killing a poet named Cinna because he shared a name with one of the conspirators. Caesar did many good things, he gave citizenship to the people he conquered, he expanded the rights of the plebeians (specifically he passed reforms which benefited the poor in matters of land ownership), he reduced debt, unemployment, and poverty, a smaller, but dearer to me, reform was protection for Jews, he redistributed empty public land to the poor, he rebuilt Carthage and relocated poor homeless plebeians there, and he passed laws which protected the poor from extortion by tax collectors. The people who truly hated him was the aristocracy and the oligarchs who lost power because of his policies.
@@codieomeallain6635 I didn't say it was the people that killed ceasar.
As for the love they had for him, he knew very well how demagoguery worked, and many of his reforms for the poor had motivation rooted in political gain against those very opponents. Obviously the motivations behind a good deed don't exactly nullify it, but it taints the character of the man.
Ceasar want wholly killed because a bunch of plutocrats and oligarchs were butthurt though. Remember who started the plot, they were Republicans. Those who believed in a republic. Ceasar towards the end wanted to crown himself King, he effectively had made himself dictator for life by that point thoroughly abusing an emergency power for years. He plunged them into civil war for power. The man was insanely corrupt. Charismatic to hell and back, but still corrupt.
Does Hollywood indulge in conspiracy plots because movie goers demand happy, simple endings or do people indulge in conspiracy theories because Hollywood tells them that's how the world works?
Hollywood is conspiring to get us all to believe ck sliracy theories
How about neither? Conspiracy theory stories fit an easy to explain and construct narrative framework. Movies especially need to be able to communicate their ideas quickly and simply in order to then get the plot moving. Having a singular antagonist makes for a much simpler and easier to both write, film, and follow story structure and then allows the film to follow basic storytelling motion of set up, rising action, climax, and ending. Explain complex multilayered problems that people struggle against simply doesn't work with the typical length of a film, as simply setting the stage in a way that provides understanding can takes hours on it's own... which nobody really wants to sit through.
It's actually a combination of the path of least resistance and cognitive dissonance that causes people to see the world in black and white.
Mutual feedback. Its both.
A conspiracy is simply when two or more people work together to carry out an illegal or immoral act. Conspiracies are real and happen all the time. A theory is simply an effort to explain some observation. A "conspiracy theory" is nothing more than an effort to explain an illegal or immoral act carried out by more than one person. There's nothing nefarious about conspiracy theories. Some people who make a living coming up with theories about conspiracies include: police detectives, investigative journalists, etc.
The term was coined in it's current usage by the CIA after the assassination of JFK. It was meant as a label to smear or marginalize anyone who had doubts about the government's "official" story ... even though that version of events couldn't possibly be true.
"The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "Cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals."
-CS Lewis
I don't know man. I mean a robber baron's cruelty would be just as bad as that of someone who's cruel for the so called greater good and not less than that.
@@kingdon7795 Not quite. A prime example of a robber baron is Edison, who is beloved for his efforts in electricity despite being someone who aggressively attempted to ruin his opponent's lives by electrocuting small animals to demonstrate how "dangerous" their 'product'--alternating current--was.
Edison pales in comparison to the USSR, who happily sent millions of Russians to their deaths for not being patriotic enough, or the CCP, who will happily remove your organs for being an 'enemy to the Chinese people'.
@@ZeroNumerous yeah but still he ruined someone's life and tortured animals. He just never got to be a part of a group similar to the USSR or something like that or else he would have done things like what they did. And guess what those people who show that they are heroes who are fighting for the greater good actually don't care about the greater good at all otherwise they would have never been so sadistic and evil.
This was from my favorite quote in Code Geass (an anime that I highly recommend anyone to check out if they haven't) "Forcing your good intentions on others is no different from an evil act".
It took me a long time to understand this, but it's like wrapping a pile of crap in a present. You give it like a present, you have something masked as a gift, but you ultimately gave someone a pile of crap.
Code Geass is the greatest work of fiction.
Yes, people _are_ individuals. That some people are independently turning to violence and that some people are supporting that rioting from behind the curtain can both be true. The logistics of supplying frozen water bottles, bricks, matching shields, food, bail funds, etc. suggest that these events are not random nor are they of grass roots origins.
Note that this sort of rioting didn't happen during the Great Depression when much of the country was out of work.
Here's what scares me about this:
A large scale behind the scenes effort has to have a lot of supporters who keep donating for the cause, and therefore people who aren't merely unhappy with the current system, but want to see it gone - if necessary, by violence.
(And no, I absolutely don't believe that the radical part of the BLM movement cares about black lives at all, because they are about as effective at improving the situations of black people as things like:
War on Terror, War on Drugs, Prohibition, blowing up an Oil tanker to demonstrate for climate change, etc.)
Now keep in mind that the last time a democracy was hated by 40-60% of the population in my country, the results weren't pretty.
I reckon what happens to Kyle Rittenhouse will determine which why this goes.
@@alexandererhard2516
"I absolutely don't believe that the radical part of the BLM movement cares about black lives at all"
all you have to do is ask them to denounce the death of David Dorn, an ex police man who happen to be black. he was shot and killed by looters.
they loot and destroy small businesses owned by minorities.
they destroy the lives of hard workers that slaved for years to get those businesses up and running.
they will NEVER care for the lives of the minorities that were fired from the police due to cutting the $ for police
they are led by "trained marxists". they never cared for black lives.
communism is theft.
communism is the new slavery
communism is death
@@bluefmi Well said.
If you guys want to get some info on communists plots, listen to this:
Ideological subversion: ua-cam.com/video/KLdDmeyMJls/v-deo.html
Saul Alinsky's Rules for Radicals: freedomoutpost.com/all-the-reasons-you-need-to-know-to-vote-out-the-democrats/
None Dare Call it Conspiracy: ua-cam.com/video/XhxpIFTkxMk/v-deo.html
This is why you should judge ideas based on their means and not their stated intentions. Those who do the opposite are just plain evil.
Judge based on their actions and their goals. The direction they are going rather than the destination they claim to be traveling too
When I watched the film I was so happy when that scene came on, only to have my happiness snatched from me in the following scenes. I'm convinced that the realistic explanation was the original ending, but then someone higher up thought that they needed to "dumb it down for the masses" (a stupid idea held only be condescending people) and so they added the ares ending at the last minute.
Maybe it's because he's been a long running foe of wonder woman for like 50+ years, maybe.
*"but then someone higher up thought that they needed to "dumb it down for the masses" (a stupid idea held only be condescending people)"*
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You say that, yet what have the masses done to prove otherwise?
@@wakkaseta8351 The masses are the way they are because of long term conditioning. The problem is not the people themselves (especially since you and I would likely be included as part of "the mass") but the society which forces them into docility and suppresses their intelligence without them having the chance to even try and resist, since they are conditioned from birth. Blaming people for shitty conditions imposed upon them is a weak form of elitism, and historically elitists have proven time and again that they are no better than the people they step over.
A very good video on Wonder Women and as for helping another person just the other day I was at 7-Eleven and I ordered 2 pepperoni pizzas. Then another person who looked like he did a full days work came in and it was around 1 PM anyway he ordered the same thing but the thing is it was the last of the pepperoni pizzas so I changed my order to two cheese pizzas instead and the person thanked me and the cashier said I was a good person for changing my order. And I said I wasn't I just think people need to help people out in any way they can during these times.
I know it wasn't the greatest story that will be posted on comments but hey its something.
Keep up the great work on these videos I don't agree with all of them but they are thought-provoking in one way or another.
Dukect
Respect.
Zeus: "I'ma goona create wamen to protect teh worlt."
Wamen: "War? What war? It's fought by man but we don't even know what a man looks like..."
Yeah, they don't seem very good at their jobs.
I think the directors wanted to portray a world where if it's only women then it's a paradise unravaged by war and other terrible things...except they managed to make them into ignorant people that have no purpose in their lives....
@@DocsDota yeah, they portrait her in a naive way. Which is fine as a direction. But, seems they went overboard with that. Making her look a bit stupid. It should be more like instead of a question, rather be a realization that their purpose is being called upon. Perhaps being too eager to go to war to do some good but not understanding that war is always horror.
She should be like super man. Physically very strong, but of course still emotionally vulnerable. You may not kill her, but you can kill what she loves, still. And that could destroy her from the inside. And she should learn that the hard way as she goes to war, wins, but still loses, by losing a friend.
That's how the movie actually ended. But I'm afraid, next time her friend is back and well... Hollywood being shallow again. What else is new? At least they could have kept him dead until the third movie. Marvel did that so well with Caption America's friend Bucky Barns.
@John Rivera It's current year. In the future we'll look back on pop culture from this era and wonder what we were thinking.
They should’ve stuck more with George Perez’s version of the Amazons instead. The Amazons weren’t created to be a warrior race meant to save the world. Just wokeness disguised in a well written story. I’m sure Patty Jenkins had a lot to do with this. I really wish the Hollywoke elite and Hollyweird in general would keep their politics out of entertainment. It just ruins everything.
Trivia note: Steve Trevor was an American on loan to the Brits.
Ares isn't presented as a "malicious" god, he explains why he thinks he's in the right and tries to convince Diana to side with him. Furthermore, he's a savage god, in that he's effectively just a really powerful dood, as opposed to a capital-G God that exists on a more metaphysical level.
In other words, he's just a foil of Diana, so if his inclusion ruins the theme, then hers should too.
Additionally, he explains that all he had to do was help people to complete goals that they had set for themselves completely of their own volition.
He didn't make dr. poison into the woman we see in the film, he found her as is and helped her complete her research. So while he IS a negative influence, he is not responsible for the war, nor for the involvement of any particular parties. He's just doing what he can to make the situation worse.
Finally, the movie isn't trying to play off any of these events as historical situations that really happened, but with an alternate explaination. IRL, the great war played out differently than it did in the film. (for example, ludendorf never gassed a room-full of german brass)
Thus, the audience can compare the war from the film to the real great war in order to see exactly what Ares's impact on the war was. That is to say, the war would've still happened and still have been awful, even in his absence.
In conclusion, i don't think his inclusion in the film, nor the cheesy CGI fight sequence at the end of the film "ruined" the movie's themes at all.
Also when he says, "THEN I WILL DESTROY YOU" with his goofy mustache its absolutely hilarious and I love it.
You make some of the best videos on UA-cam. Absolutely fantastic, please don’t stop doing what your doing 👍🏻
*"For The Greater Good"*
THE GREATER GOOD.
How can this be for the greater good?
THE GREATER GOOD
THE GREATER GOOD
THE GREATER GOOD
@@DrD00M3 "THE GREATER GOOD" is the most braindead thing i have ever heard.
Honestly one of my favorite videos. Cant wait to come back to this video later and see the comments
Chris Pine is a magnificent actor, and this was a magnificent essay.
Who dislikes these videos.... WHO??
Great video, I love how you can talk about history, politics, etc. and remain somewhere in a middle ground stance that can keep everyone (almost everyone) interested without being too offended. (And yes, I watched your video "This Movie Offends You? Good.")
I'm a Wonder Woman fan and appreciate this insightful commentary. I opine that the imperfection in Diana's worldview is part of her growth in character. "Wonder Woman," after all, is just the first installment of her story. I trust that director Patty Jenkins has allowed Diana to mature intellectually and socio-emotionally during her several decades of living in Man's World.
Thoughtful. Much appreciated. Made the neighborhood better by getting out and chatting (at a social distance) with a recent widower about our love for Shih Tzu dogs, by giving my next door neighbor a portable batter-jumper to get her car going until she can repair it, and by picking up my dog’s poo ;)
All you said is the equivalent to throwing a glass of water into a raging forest fire. The water will instantly evaporate before it can reach the flames and make any difference.
It is all good intention and it's ridiculously admirable, but in this cold cynical world. It's every man for themselves.
@@ajanaya8055 Hi Aj, I don't know what horrible things have gone on in your life to help make you so jaded, but a cursory look at the world proves it is not "every man for themselves" or else we'd never have formed tribes much less corporations.
@@baahcusegamer4530 I've heard Jonathan Haidt remark that it's so interesting that ants and bees are traditional symbols of cooperative production, but the scientific fact is that these bugs can only cooperate in roles that their families programmed them into. They're also programmed to fight and war against their cousins - they only coexist with direct siblings.
Compare this behavior to the variety of human beings. Some of us can treat a stranger like a brother, some of us won't ever leave the nest, and some of us can only get some work done if we don't have to work with our families. Humans aren't blank slates, but we're the blankest slates biology has produced, and part of the warp that can't be programmed away is an incredible power of empathy and imagination.
tl:dr - Humans are the most cooperative beings on the planet. We only envy the 'harmonious' productivity of bugs because we overlook how small their goals are, and underappreciate our own accomplishments.
I would have preferred that Ares not control it but gains strength from it regardless. A kind of "I don't have to do anything and they all worship me in my way!"
When you are robbed of your income, silenced online and locked in your home for a pandemic, is pretty hard to see politicians on equal grounds :(
Leaving you at home to read articles condemning current government for not imposing enough restrictions. 😭
Look harder
Politicians still getting paid while they shut down people's work.
@@rachelrasmussen1101 The alternative is people die, global trade slows down since no one wants to bring in more sick people and either way the economy goes down the toilet. If only humans weren't self destructive monsters and followed simple guidelines we would be done with this crap by July.
@@pxrxy it's a novel virus. We weren't getting rid of it.
Great video Sean. I am friends with you on Facebook and finally got around to watching one of your videos. I should have subbed sooner. Great content and keep it up!
I'm inclined to vote for the first politician who utters the words, "I will leave you the hell ALONE !"
Hurricane Sally rolled over my city a couple weeks ago. Once it was safe to be outside I was out in my neighborhood assessing the destruction, and I walked down my block helping my neighbors drag trees out of the road and driveways so it'd be possible to leave for supplies or for emergency services to get into the neighborhood quickly. A lot of my neighbors were out doing the same thing, asking if others were okay, how their houses were. Inspiring stuff.
Iron Harvest has the exact same problem. They actually did try to minimize Fenris' influence on the war but it fell short in my opinion.
I remember a dialogue from Metal Gear Rising Revengence between Sundowner and Raiden
Sundowner: "We don't create the market for war."
Raiden: "Then who does? The Patriots are gone."
Sundowner: "Those guys just managed the war economy -- they didn't invent it. Didja think every battle in history was all part of some big ol' conspiracy? Bull****! War is just part'a who we are. Why fight it?"
"It was just too much trouble NOT to have a war..." Black adder on the start of WW1
This was so inspiring! I am 20 and have always loved politics, economics, and history. I've always wanted to make a difference in some way and this really inspired me to do everything I can. I'm on a 2 year mission for my church right now but when I get home I want to find a way to help people, thanks so much for this episode and this channel, it's truly inspiring and I love watch it!
I can't help myself from loving you videos, it's seriously well made, not to mention I a lot of books I'm looking forward to read.
Thank you for your videos Sir
Absolutely fantastic video. I had my 15 yr old son watch it. I randomly came across this video and love to see that common sense material is still being made on you tube. You have a new subscriber.
HOT damn, a film thesis shouldnt be this damn moving
Now that my children are in college and I have time to focus on things outside of my family, I have joined many local boards. I am looking forward to volunteering with groups connecting those in distress to those willing to help!
Replace the evil king with a nicer one: this takes place in the heart, not the physical world.
Totally agree. The last battle was a standardized CGI battle and the movie would have been better without it.
How I helped without voting? Volunteer at a food bank.
To quote Dr. Grant in JP3, "Some of the worst things imaginable, have been done with the best intentions."
"No Gods of matter are going to do it for us" exactly.
If that’s the case why God exists?
The one good thing I did was that even during this crappy pandemic I keep teaching. Worried about passing it on because I see everyone. We have a county that attempts to belittle us and backstab is, but WE try to stay positive and keep our game face. 😊
I ignored my neighbors... which is exactly what I hope they'll do for me. ;)
This is an absolutely solid video. Thank you so much for expressing these ideas and concepts. Please keep up the good work!
Actually it is about getting rid of the bad King and replacing him with a good one.
The issue is that every man is a king, and he must clean up his own household. The king of fable is a metaphor for ourselves.
Dude, your channel has been one of the best channel discoveries this year, for me. Thanks for that!
Unfortunately, I am the opposite of most people my age. I heard that young people are helping the elderly at rates not seen since the 1950s now. I am normally like this. I always try to help my elderly neighbors and grandparents, but during this pandemic and especially now that I have returned to college and am close to dozens of people all the time I no longer do this out of fear of possibly giving an elderly person coronavirus so I try to keep my distance and to myself.
That sucks dude
Thanks for the video essay. Liked how you look at Wonder Woman in a new way.
I organised self-help groups for math problems at our collage.
God speed sir , God speed .
I love all your videos. This video gets at the fact that any power you give to someone you believe in can and will be used by someone you don't believe in somewhere down the road.
@5:45 this is why I love this chanel. It is sadly, rare today to see our fellow human beings with such grace. To look at the deaths of world war 1 and feel the lose of such potential, and intellectual diversity and character this is something that is not heard today. I have not seen a religious slant to this chanel, but it reminds me of a Christian world view of how everyone is unique and special and sovereign. This is what made the American people and military great we fought HARD to save one life or two. We risked lives to save lives, it was not cold hard math to us. While statistically we may lose more people and materials (some of the time) overall I think it is right, moral, and integral to our character, and to western civilization.
I once heard "Be the change you want to see in the world.".
While i can't follow that by the letter, i tried to change my social circle by recording videos that teach some of the subjects we get in classes. Not the most ambitious project, but its something.
Being nice and when possible offering help is also a good move, you may even inspire others to do so.
A virtuous goal can be reached only by virtuous means.
with all seriousness, this is one of the best yt videos I saw.... from wonder woman to Balkan wars... great research and script!
Let's just completely skip over the fact that Ferdinand's death was the spark that ignited the entire flame.
He didn't skip over that fact, he mentions it towards the end of the video
You are 100% this also helped my way of thinking of things too, it’s us not a specific person and even if that person who is said to be bad is gone nothing really changes
Politics is not divisive merely because people "become wrapped up in ideas." It is, by its nature, divisive. There are three, and only three, modes for all human associations: coercive, manipulative, and connected. Only the third is rooted in persuasion and reason, and occurs by mutual consent. The other two are vestiges of humanity's evolution from a more primitive animal nature. They are rooted in fear and deception. They are non-consensual means of association. Politics is the systematic approach to coercive and manipulative associations among human beings, hence, it is about power, and power, unlike trade, is a zero-sum game. Power is inherently divisive because it is inherently win-lose. Politics is Sauron's Ring: no ultimately good end can be accomplished with it because its means are inherently evil. There are always corruptions, and perverse incentives, and unintended consequences, when free will and consent are violated, even for "the best of reasons."
Trade and cooperative production, on the other hand, are a positive-sum game, because where there is consent and voluntary cooperation there is enthusiastic participation, and each side obtains more value from their effort than they had to invest to acquire or produce it, and there is no need to waste energy and resources imposing violation and domination upon other wills that do not consent.
Insects, like ants and bees, are connected, but their own biology limits their ability to live peacefully. A colony or an anthill can only coexist as a family of siblings. They don't even tolerate near-cousins. This is were connectivity and manipulation start to blend together.
Humans, on the other hand, are capable of living peacefully and making amazing accomplishments with strangers. We often demonstrate the capacity to be more cooperative than insects; it's only because we overlook bug-on-bug genocide that we imagine that we're less productive than a beehive.
Great video. Never expected such insights from a superhero film analysis.
I agree that the movie's message was undercut by Ares. But damn was that fight in the end not one of the coolest scenes in DC history.
It'd take a long time to explain, but I always saw the battle between Diana and Ares as a continuation of Diana's internal conflict, rather than an excuse for the external conflict.
Other than that, I agree with the video's overall sentiment.
It does accentuate the earlier point. She finds the real Ares, kills him, and still the war doesn't stop.
@@GodwynDi She didn't kill Ares. She only thought she had. That's why nothing stopped.
Did you even watch the movie?
Such a great video, as always! I wish they showed these videos in high schools. Maybe then we wouldn't have a bunch of young people on the poisonous extreme political left.
And then maybe those students wanting to hear a viewpoint that's not leftist wouldn't be tempted to go to the extreme right in order to hear it.
Meh, there are poisonous toxic extremists on both sides, saying just the "left" is a bit biased but I agree with your overall message
The video sucked. Patty Jenkins put forth a false philosophy of "it don't matter, none of it matters" and FEE is just playing inadvertent simp.
WWI and the BLM riots BOTH have higher interests behind them.
@@Shockguey ...did you even watch the first _Wonder Woman_ movie? That wasn't the point in the slightest.
The point was just that you can't just blame all the world's problems on a single evil force. That's practically the opposite of "none of it matters" -- _everything_ matters.
I'd argue with the idea of the mere existence of Ares undercutting the point of the second act. It seems more like it was making sure not to discount that some people do actively seek to make things worse because it benefits them.
I’ve recognized this amazing aspect of the Wonder Woman film since day one, waiting to see who was going to recognize it, I wouldn’t be surprised to find out if the director belonged to a specific Christian denomination that understands a greater influence. Ephesians 6:12 “We struggle not against flesh and blood, but against evil rulers and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world, against “spiritual wickedness”... another testament to the depth of the Bible, and every time a film adopts its concepts, whether fully aware or not it usually makes a compelling story.
The mistake that is easy to make is to not recognize that there may be both a spiritual and secular cause to our world’s problems. I believe the devil and his demons do hold some sway-we will not know how much this side of heaven-but also the human heart is deceitful. In any event, we deceive ourselves all the time into thinking that God’s ideas of right are wrong and what He calls wrong is right.
Baahcuse Gamer I agree to a degree, certainly man plays a part, he allows himself to be manipulated through the corruption of his own heart, but ultimately there is a war going on that is greater than any war here on earth, a spiritual war. This war will determine the future of all life, the affairs of man is minuscule in this regard, and has no end. But the spiritual war will bring an end to every and all evil.
Many people think life is a battle between good people and bad people, but it’s the opposite. Life is a battle between the good and the bad within each and every one of us.
"The vision of the anointed"
Bro, this gotta be one of the best channels I came across today. Thank you!
If she truly believed that these men were just being controlled by Ares, then why did she slaughter them indiscriminately? That and the whole "the truth is what you believe" is why I didn't like the movie.
She is a warrior. They may be mostly innocent but it was still a war.
@@GodwynDi yes but if any other of the big super heroes believed these men were being essentially mind controlled... They would do their best to incapacitate them without killing them while seeking to take out the one who was controlling them.
@@zuko9085 War is hell.
@@GodwynDi a fine excuse for a soldier, but our super heroes are supposed to be models of virtue.
@@GodwynDi No, War is War and Hell is Hell. To quote Mash.
Your videos are one of the best things o internet by far. I also was disappointed with the Ares twist... thank you so much for your work. Thank you for being a beacon for freedom.
The sweet poisonous allure of “the greater good”
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💀 no step on Snek! 🇺🇸🇭🇰
I say, do watch where you tread, old chap!
The first WW movie was stupid from the start. I walked out after the Amazons started jumping around like Zena Princess Warrior, when fighting the Germans on the beach.
Even if I think indeed Ares was kind of innecesary, I'm actually inclined to watch this movie someday as it seems Wonder Woman it's a pretty solid character there. Perhaps one weekend I'll give myself the time. Nice video, keep up the good job FEE.
Love the walk in at the end concept, and it really hinted that the royal rumble was happening faster than what humans can bear witness to. Other than the classic hero defeats the master mind troop that is stander fare.
After the movie Thor and the Avengers, people what to see a god battle, and WW was not a let down. But, . I would have like to see a cliff hanger of did WW defeat Ares and he fled. Or Ares just sigh and transport away from fighting her cause despite being the god of war, that battle with WW wasn't really giving him a thrill.
*unnecessary
Sorry, had to do it.
@@sarasunshinemt4444 Its ok. English is not my first language.
Thanks.
Finally it has been said....people who believe they are right and the only ones right are disturbing....ego is the one thing that they have in common
To ignore that powerful people, devoid of care for others, instigate and foment conflict between peoples for their own self gain and twisted satisfaction is naïve at best. It's the battered housewife's logic on a geopolitical scale.
I fairly regularly go on long walks up and down the sidewalk. I _mostly_ pick up discarded beer and soda containers because I can cash them in for a 10 cent deposit but it has the side effect of making the community a cleaner, tidier place.
Sometimes when I go to my local Wal-Mart to cash them in, I find some of them are associated with stores elsewhere or I was mistaken about their deposit status or that they're just too damaged to be readable. It's only mildly frustrating and I can at least be happy to have made the place a little tidier.
Very rarely, I'll take care of other obvious trash that's lying around.
I feel like the studios want so much surprise the audience that they turn the story into shit instead of just making what people imagine it will happen, i see that a lot
God I love Out of Frame...just hearing "let's get into this edition of Out of Frame", makes my whole day better
18:00 Personally I wished Ares didn't make himself manifest. I wished he was an idea whispering in the ears of those he was able to manipulate. Turning man against man. Rather than shapeshifting into all the 'bad guy' leaders.
Then how would Diana have defeated him? And when did he shapeshift into anyone, other than Sir Patrick Morgan?
@@joycehill2591 She wouldn't have defeated him, at least not directly. She would have learned he was an _influencing_ power rather than a direct controller. An intangible concept pulling on the strings of reality rather than some tangible old guy in armor that she can punch.
Maybe I'm just weird but I think an existential interpretation of Ares would have been a better send-off.
But sadly trying to broker peace and acting as a diplomat isn't as fun to watch as two people in silly costumes doing wire-fu in front of a greenscreen.
@@joycehill2591 And I could be wrong (memory foggy) but I was under the impression he was shapeshifting into leaders to make claims to try and spark off the war.
If he wasn't then my apologies, I just really wish the film took an "he was an influence corrupting many, rather than a single badguy you can punch" approach.
@@Ultrox007 Ares in the movie was very much essentially the Biblical Lucifer/Satan. He goes around the world tempting people to do evil and create discord. He didn't do it himself, he just whispers the idea and lets the hearts of men choose to follow that advice. The whole Wonder Woman movie despite being based on Greek mythology... was a very good analogy for the Bible. Zeus/God, Ares/Lucifer, Diana/Jesus... God creates man, Satan convinces men to sin and rebel... God creates a 'chosen' people who the world persecutes and he gives a promised land... God has a child who will redeem the world and ultimately defeat Satan. Heck they even acknowledge original sin and the depravity of man. Steve tells her men don't deserve to be saved, they are evil all on their own even if Ares tempted them to it. And Diana accepts they don't deserve to be saved, but she will save them anyways just because she and her father loved them. It really had a Milton-Christian mythology message more than a Greek one despite using the Greek figures.
@@Fordo007 That doesn't make it better for me though. The whole issue of the point of the video is that things aren't as easy as "there's just one big bad guy who when beaten makes all things better again"
They almost did just that, but then surprise wonder woman was right all along.
Thank you for this!!Your videos are always dope and Entertaining and really get me to think or rethink about things 😊❤👍🏾
"What did you do to make your neighborhood a better place"
I frequently perform community service, I make a point of shopping at local businesses if I may, I'm one of many who operate a historic cinema in the area restoring it after an earthquake and showing "ye olde" films at ye olde prices for non-profit.
Oh, called 911 yesterday on a tweaker vandalizing and assaulting everything that got in his way as he wandered aimlessly down the road, but hey, who am I to question the democrats decision to give welfare to non-citizens and treat violent addictions as 'mental health' instead of a danger to society.
I was talking to a girl once and was going through those sites that had questions and one of them was, "If there was a way to tell that people that had a certain gene that made them more likely to commit a crime would you throw them all in jail prematurely." Or something along those lines, I said no, and she said yes. I thought it was weird and yet watching this video made me remember that moment and wondered, what does she believe, and if people are willing to throw regular people in jail just because the chance of them breaking a law was greater without them actually doing something, what does that lead to.
I believe that the root of the problem is the idea of "Good" and "Evil," now don't get me wrong... I do believe that they exist, but not in the way that mankind all too often imagines them to exist. Humans all to often don't truly get what Good and Evil are and this is due to the fact that mankind all to often, to use your phrase, loves to oversimplify things. But life, rarely, if ever, is simplistic and I don't believe that the concepts of Good and Evil are any more simple than what life is. However, I don't believe that the desire to simplify things is necessarily a bad thing... in fact, I would say that quite the opposite is true. It's actually a good thing to simplify things as a good entry point of engagement so that people can gain a better understanding of the subject at hand. This is because it's in peoples' proclivity to favor simplicity, because simplicity is easier to understand and this proclivity can be a way to help others gain a much deeper understanding of a specific subject.
I love the irony.
The Daniel Webster quote you shared is incredibly impactful!!
The movie actually portrayed the allies as the ones under Aries' control, which was honestly closer to the truth.
Wonderful video with a wonderful message. Thank you
"Politics has too much power in society."
Only in such a fragmented and disenfranchised era is it so easy to forget that politics is the method by which groups of people (two or more) determines who gets what resources, when, and how. Politics is society.
History has shown, without external war taking up to 60% of the male population from time to time. A nation will then go into Civil War.
Another sad truth, after studying Europe history for more than a few years. Ever hundred years or so. A given nation will go into civil war just to kill off their weakest members & the stupid. Please look up the Ship of Fools.
Please watch the build up to all the English religious civil wars, and if you like reading check out Italy's civil wars between their city states.
@@krispalermo8133 Do you have any specific books in mind? Other than Ship of Fools. Those are very broad topics.
@@Argonnosi I am sorry but I have no book titles for you. I just read a lot of books back in the 1990's with hard to pronounce titles my grandparents collected. Then in the pass six years just watch as many videos on YT in English or with subtitles in French & Italian. Some reason very little for Germany, then again after two World Wars and their numerous civil wars they lost a lot of churches and other record buildings. But they still have some very sweet gems.
I am mostly Sicilian/ German so I worked on reading up what the 1700's & 1800's of those two countries to see what my ancestors life was like. End result was there was always some feud/ little civil war going on.
Most history has been clean/ scrub to be seen as more " less bloody " then what it was. As any random search, on Renaissance City State civil wars will bright up some good stuff to view.
One fun video is along the line of " 1800's Sicily mafia war over lemons farms."
So you guys think that all war is a biological function? That any kind of ideological differences you might see between the sides affects the outcome as much as different colors of paint change the speed and handling of a sports car? That the amount of preceding years of peace does nothing but adds kindling to the conflagration? Or is my understanding of your positions an exaggeration?
Because if you guys are right, then why hasn't the PRC eaten itself alive?
@@MRCKify I had to look up PRC. Turns out that acronym is fairly popular, so I still don't know who that is, but... yes. That's roughly accurate. Humans are territorial, tribal, and need resources. The solution to many problems in a society are often found in violent conflict. See The Rape of the Sabine women, a foundational myth of the city of Rome, or the real life activities of the Vikings. Kill some people and take their stuff has always been a solution on the table until very recent history.
I bought a new set of four 12V batteries for the "steam" train in Eldridge Park. Fixed the seat switch so it ran reliably. I've started to level out the track (it's a bit wiggly) but I'm thinking that I may as well wait until the spring, because the freeze-thaw cycle might just change it all. Dug away the gopher hole that deposited dirt on the tracks. Finally, removed the batteries and stored them in my basement where they won't freeze over winter and get ruined.
Age old evils repeating themselves... over and over
The greatest trick that the devil played was to trick people into thinking that he wasn’t real, but just because there is a devil doesn’t justify simply saying ‘the devil made me do it.
Thank you FEE for making a video on the Wonder Woman Movie. Back when you made your video on "Civil War" and "Thanos" video I had requested that you make a video on the Wonder Woman movie, so thank you for that.
Unfortunately you didn't address the topic I wanted you to address. I enjoyed the action sequences of the movie but every time the characters spoke they propagated all of the common lies of the social justice movement you hear today, which every time I would hear it was like someone scraping a chalkboard to my ears, cause I would be aware of the real history . I was hoping you would fact check and debunk all of the Social Justice Propaganda cause people believing those lies directly results in the destruction of the Country that you see these riots of ignorant children doing now.
But the topic you did address was just as important, so hopefully you can make another video in the future addressing the issue I requested.
great video, very thought provoking, opened me upto some introspection and there hasn't really been much wisdom out there to inspire that for a while.. great work, great insight, i suppose you are probably right to a large degree