This Movie Offends You? Good.
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From new movie releases like JoJo Rabbit to modern classics like Blazing Saddles, The Producers, and Team America: World Police -- and, of course, centuries-old landmark works such as Jonathan Swift’s “A Modest Proposal” -- satire has helped us examine real social and political topics using humor that’s often absurd… and sometimes offensive.
Satire and its cousins like irony allow us to grapple with some of our most dangerous, difficult ideas, and the audio-visual medium of film gives ample opportunity to explore complex, and often uncomfortable, themes. Films like JoJo Rabbit, in which a young German boy has an imaginary friend in the form of a murderous dictator, can employ stinging jokes, ridiculous plots, and farcical characters that address serious issues.
It is, in a word, speech -- and the freedom of speech that allows for satirical novels and boundary-pushing movies is critical to our using creativity to advance the social and political dialogue that improves our world.
And yes, many times that speech can be offensive. It can be inappropriate. It can upset us. But its importance is why we're going to get into the complex and hotly debated subject of freedom of speech… on this episode of Out of Frame.
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Here's the thing: I agree with your thesis. However, I don't think Taika's speech was a betrayal of his free-speech beliefs. I think it was more of a commentary on the rise of Neo-Nazis, and the fact that the basic ideas the world agreed upon at the end of the war have, in some parts of the country, been largely lost. Taika is simply expressing many of our fears that history may, in some form, repeat itself, in part because this conversation has been censored. The point of the movie was, in part, to bring to light just how ridiculous Nazi ideas are, and how dangerous they can turn out to be. Ignoring them and making them this cultural taboo gives them a kind of respect that they don't deserve. That's what Taika was saying; we have, by shoving down the Nazi conversation, legitimized it, and without raising the points found in films like Jojo Rabbit, we allow neo-Nazis to march without the backlash that they should receive.
He's not saying we should literally lock up anyone with Nazi beliefs; he's saying we should fight against them culturally. He's saying that we aren't doing enough, not to silence them, but to debunk them, to make fun of them, to prove that what they're doing is dangerous bullshit. We shouldn't be silent bystanders, not with this.
I hope you're right.
And the dude's Jewish also.
Yes, and by keeping films being made involving nazis that will:stop neo-nazis.
Got it.
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 Every ww2 movie involves Nazis. You prefer silencing people as a solution? When does it stop. Those neo nazis might take control and use legislation against you. You must make a world where everyone is content and prosperous. We can't solve the issues plaguing our world with hate, and vitrol. We must make a prosperous world. Crime and hate is caused by income disparity, and lack of control over ones life. We can't let it take root. Banning movies cause they have nazis does nothing. The CCP is currently genociding people. But, there is more backlash against nazis then them. What does that say? The same people in 1930's didn't call out their behavior because money was being made. No one is cancelling apply, samsung, or any other big corporation that willingly allows this.
@@FEEonline just as you say that free speech is legal and a good thing, people who critisise you also have to do it, so here I go
So first regardless of your personal feelings or opinions on socialism (which i already by watching the video know you are not in favor of it and Even call it a dictatorship), Nazi Germany isn't socialism, it's imperialism and even if they call themselves socialists that doesn't mean they are, north Korea is called "people's democratic republic off Korea" and we both know they aren't democratic, and the reason they aren't socialists is because socialism is supposed to be about equality and for people to earn a similar amount off Money (whether the Sistem is good or manages to do that is irrelevant as even if it doesn't manage to do it the Nazi weren't trying to achieve what socialists were), the Nazi only cared for white people which they considered German they didn't care about money equality at all, so they we'rent socialists
Now as I've pointed out you seem to believe all socialism is dictatorship but regardless of your personal opinion on the matter this is factually incorrect, as socialism isn't a government system but an economical one which means that you could have socialism with dictatorship but also with democracy, and that is also true off capitalism as it is also an economical system and not a political one, like for example, china is capitalistic yet has a dictatorship where free speech isn't allowed, they are capitalists because they trade with money and use a system where the companies are free to do whatever they want, and there's also socialism which isn't from dictatorship like the one on countries like Bolivia or the one on Norway or Finland (some people might say that Norway or Finland aren't socialists and that's maybe true but Bolivia is still an example off democratic socialism as the president was chosen by vote)
And yeah there can be democratic capitalism and non democratic socialism (often called stalinism or communism) so if you really want to warn people about dictatorship then just say dictatorship and not capitalism or socialism cause they don't have to do with the people on the government
Free speech is great, it allows people to say horrible things, and then let other people criticise them for saying that.
Sometimes the people who criticise never show up and their assholery continues unchecked
Yet Antifa and BLM is supported by all governments and big companies. It's sickening to see people who spread hate and lies be accepted and controlled by the establishment.
Ryan 8191 Yeah, that’s what you gotta pay for free speech.
@@Ryan-wu1oi the us government showing it's support by calling you a terrorist...yeah nevermind that sounds about right.
@@Ryan-wu1oi Are you saying the BLM and Antifa are supported by government and corporations? What a horrendously bad take.
Corporations only released BLM support to get more money from BLM sympathizers. Capitalism has no morals. They'll support anything as long as they make money.
Antifa isn't even an organization. It's an ideology and has no centralized leadership so how can that even be supported by any government? It's like saying governments support democracy. It's implicit. When governments become anti antifa that's the time to be scared.
If you are anti antifa then you're pro fascist. Simple.
Germany released a movie a while ago called "He's back." or "Er ist wieder da" It's about what if Hitler would be resurrected in our modern world and it's a comedy. He notices the peaceful times we live in and wants to incite the fires of war anew. But people think he's just a really good imitator and then he becomes a TV star xD
I wanna watch that
I watched it a few times it was even on netflix US at one point
That's so unrealistic. He would be arrested immediately.
@Vien Avenido
You wrote: that movie was really good, you should try and watch it.
What do you mean exactly by "Try to watch it" ?
One either watches it or one does not.
There is NO TRY about it.
Perhaps you mean when one is in a sleepy state and one has to prop
one's eyelids to prevent them from closing.
Fucking _what?_ I really want to see this.
My grandma is german/Austrian and lived through the war, and even she fell in love and understood this film
Given that it very clearly shows German people who resisted, it shows a lot more nuance than most allied propaganda movies that paint the Germans as a monolith of monstrosity.
@@Justanotherconsumer couldn’t put it better myself
the matter of the fact is, most Germans didn't agree with the Nazis. they just managed to get a lot of Germans on their side with Nationalistic propaganda.
Based
@@Velvexic that's false, most germens even if they didn't fully agree with it still complied with the Nazis
I’m Jewish, I have relatives who were killed in the Holocaust, and I absolutely loved this film. It showed the faults in the Nazi regime, in an understandable format of a drama about a 10 year old boy, that most would be able to understand.
I'm partly Jewish, my great grandfather and grandmother were about half Jewish, I really wish to see this movie. It looks very interesting.
@@Vewtle It’s very funny, it shows how stupid the Nazi’s are and the bad stuff they did.
@@jdub2722 That too, like I’m german, and I can say that I am ashamed of my relatives on my German side
#metoo
@@tostik7068 Unless they were in the NSDAP, you shouldn't be. Wehrmacht soldiers and ordinary civilians were just regular people trying to survive a war.
"Oh I don't like you making jokes about Hitler" y'know who else didn't like jokes about Hitler? Adolf bloody Hitler
The thing a dictator fears most is a joke about themselves.
Boom
As somebody else said on this comment section: Funny how this movie criticizes the far right, and the far left are the ones offended.
A ww2 comedy just doesn’t sit right with me tho. I don’t know what the fuck is so funny about genocide and 50 million deaths
hmmm...
"Free speech is my right to say what you don't want to hear."
George Orwell.
@Peek- At -Ch'you Amazing how well, Orwell, an avowed socialist, understood his own ilk.
@@fearthehoneybadger He died before (1950) he could see the end result of the socialist experiments. 40 million starved to death in China in just four years under Mao. I choose to believe Orwell would have changed his mind after Stalin, Mao and the fall of the USSR (and several more).
@@JensHove He did understand something about the evils of socialism. His books- Animal Farm and 1984 proved that. It's strange that he could still call himself a socialist in light of his realization of his beliefs' totalitarian and murderous nature.
@@fearthehoneybadger Well, you got me on Animal Farm. That's definitely socialism. 1984, I think, is more on the totalitarian end game of collectivism in general. While left- and right wing collectivism may play out differently, they pretty much end up the same nasty way. One of the primary reasons I consider myself a Libertarian.
But its my right to disagree with it
But not surpress it
A famous chess podcast just got deleted on UA-cam. Shows you how bad the algorithms is, when saying black and white a 100 times gets you deleted
Lmao that’s actually funny
LOL wow ok.
chess is wayciss, why does white get to move first
@@snappyone 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡
@@snappyone okay sissssss let's cancel chess
I’m Jewish and I learned to like this movie. Hitler is dead, we can’t cancel him.
Tell that to the ppl who tried to cancel lincoln
@@henrikschieke1474 wait wut?
@@OK-cp8qw and the people that tried to cancel Genghis Khan
@@daspotato895 what?
@@daspotato895 when and why?
Getting offended on the Internet is like seeing dog shit and choosing to step in it instead of walking around it
Did you just assume I walk?!”?
Reported
Unsubscribed
Canceled
Did...did you just assume ALL dogs shit?????
Sorry sweetie but ur cancelled 💅💅💅💅💅💅💅💅💅💅💅💅💅💅💅
Unless if your being racist, like REALLY racist
@@ballsosaurus_sex Crabs have fingernails?
@@dkkanofkash8798 they have some sharp ass nails then
"If you are going to tell the truth, you better make them laugh or they will kill you." -Mark Twain
fun fact mark twain is responsible for too many quotes
the fact that this is true scares me.
@Pål Andreas yeah
Funny
Wow
"Censorship is telling a man he can't eat a steak, because a baby can't chew it."
- Mark Twain
Bryan Black
First: Why is that your reaction to this quote?
Second: I don't give a crap.
@@officekuroro who the hell is we, go cry in a corner like a baby if you want but I sure as hell won't join you
Huh reminds me of the Sugar Tax in the UK (my wonderful Authoritarian Country where you can get arrested for jokes and mean tweets, even swearing)
Basically sugar tax is nobody should drink sugary drinks because fat kid's
@@aydenstockham1143 40% of the worlds population
"Who are the oppressors? The few, the King, the capitalist and a handful of others overseers and superintendents"
- Mark Twain
I convinced my History teacher to let us watch this when learning about WW2, the best subject.
The brats of the class got extremely offended and still call me a Nazi lol
Meanwhile in my 6th grade classroom: *what remains of the class follows along watching "Der Untergang" waiting for their fetchers after a late class suspension*
ayy that's good on your teacher!! this is definitely a must watch movie ^v^
but like. brats getting offended over a satire? there are movies that can indict someone of being racist or whatever, and this is not one of them. they need to learn how to think outside of trying to pick apart what's "problematic" and what's not.
I'd rather focus on the fascism of social justice and critical race theory - make a movie about that, and put a comedy entered around the ridiculousness of that and see how offended people get.
Really? Out of all the movies on WWII, this was the film you thought your class should watch?
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 cRiTiCaL rAcE tHeOrY
I watched Jojo Rabbit. It was a good movie. The people who say "it's offensive. It shouldn't exist and should be banned' never watched the movie.
o2smartmouth happened with "unplanned" movie too. And "the red pill " movie by Cassie Jaye. And "Death of a Nation" and...?
Never watched it, or are the target of it?
It shouldn't be banned. It should be openly mocked and called out for the hypocrisy of the actors.
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo Funny how the sjw's prop up and praise a movie made by sjws praising hitler and making him seem like a likable guy.
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo so you're telling me it was a "JoJo's Bizarre Adventure"
free speech isnt saying what you want without being critizised. its saying what you want without being arrested. thats kind of a big difference
This is what people wailing about cancel culture seem to miss.
Free speech doesn't protect anyone from being criticized, it's just there for you to voice out anyone's opinion
@@Justanotherconsumer yeah I hate cancel culture but I realize that it have nothing to do with free speech
@@vibez2806 that's the problem, cancel culture often stamps out free speech. They drown out the voices of people they disagree with in entirety. Someone says something they don't like and now that person is in real physical danger. It creates a fear of voicing your opinion that should never exist in free society. Now don't misunderstand me, racists and bigots should have thier views challenged, however they need to be allowed to have a view for it to be challenged in the first place. If we start allowing these blatantly awful opinions such as those of the Nazi party and the KKK to be full stop stamped out by law or violence and not by genuine debate pulling apart thier worldview, it could open a path to create a deeper and deeper hole where nothing accept the 1 opinion exists and censorship is like that of toltataranism everywhere.
TL:DR, listen to the bigots. They're giving you the ammunition you need to destroy thier opinion just by having it. You don't have to like thier words, but you do have to accept they exist in the world.
@@KomradeDoge
The thing is free speech only have to do with the government so people disagreeing with you ain't stopping free speech. Since the beginning of time if people don't like what you are saying then they can tell you.
Cancel culture don't really have to do with something hitting you. To make sure are you talking about america with being arrested?
Alternative title:
This movie offends you? Then you’ve missed the whole point.
"I'm offended" the only reply that should be occurring in a strong culture "And that matters?"
The "good" thing seem passive aggressive and that's annoying. Maybe id be more open to what they're saying If they weren't so passive aggressive
@@GLeee14 right? It feels so much like theyre just talking down to us lowly youtube commentors.
Kaila Y It’s meant to draw people in, guess it worked, right?
Kaila Y nah. He drives the point perfectly with his title
"If we dont allow freedom of speech, how we will know who are the assholes?" - A wise guy i saw on a pinterest pin
That mr
If we respect the past and plan for the future , why make comedy about it to lessen the horrific impact of what should've never been allowed to occur in the first place?
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 it's not to do that watch the video
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 it's making fun of Adolf Hitler who doesnt like jokes about Adolf Hitler fucking adolf
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 You've got a point. However, the film wasn't meant to downplay the Nazi regime, but to satirize it and make its ridiculousness easier to grasp for the common folk because of its simple format - a drama centered around a kid
fun fact: in the movie Hitler offers jojo cigarettes many times, but hitler was against cigarettes in nazi germany
Huh what does that mean?
varnika chandrasekara basically hitler thinks cigarettes bad but he offers jojo cigarettes
@Nigga Bean He was a massive druggie: morphine and meth ruined his health. It's pointing out the hypocrisy of his words without making him offer class A substances to a child, which would probably get the film an 18 rating massively reducing profits
Nigga Bean obviously not. This movie doesn’t give a shit about making Hitler look worst . The only scene it’s visible the director gave a middle finger was his death, which is exaggerated and ridiculous (and funny ofc).
Given that Hitler is just Jojo’s subconscious- every dilema he has , one side of his thoughts is Hitler- , I’d say it’s just him thinking about doing stuff that adults do for relief , since he tries so hard to act like one and mature for most of the movie. Tbh I just think they didn’t use alcohol as the think Hitler offered cause... well... it’s much more casual and normal for a person to offer a cigar. So in short, it’s Jojo thinking “I should use a cigar/drink wine cause that’s what adults do when they are stresses. Oh, but I am 10, I cant”
@Nigga Bean Smh, what are you on? "the Jewish director wanted to make him look as bad as possible". Are you kidding me? The guy literally committed a genocide and you're worried that a little historical inaccuracy is going to ruin his good image?
A few years back when I was in 10th grade, I had to fight my school district. For years, they used "All Quiet On The Western Front" as one of the books in the curriculum, but in my year they announced that it would not be used because it "was written by a German soldier and humanizes the soldiers on the German side". To which I pointed out that that's exactly the point of reading it. While it is up to schools to decide reading material, but their reasoning was blatantly out of line with their own rules and regulations. (and it's one of my favorite books, which motivated me).
Being able to understand and empathize with people with whom you share little in common and who may even be your enemies is one of the most valuable benefits of reading, and of art in general.
@@FEEonline They don't want to empathize with others because it will cause them to reflect on their own actions and beliefs and discover they have flaws of their own.
I watched both movies. Flags of our Fathers and Stories from Iwo Jima. For me, I liked Stories from Iwo Jima better. So, I can understand what you mean.
Well your school obviously needs a better history teacher because that book isn't even about Nazis it's about World War 1 they weren't even called Nazis back then it was still the German Empire
Schools always talk about treating people the same but then don't read a book because a German made it he is not even a nazi he just talks about how war is bad you would think schools would like that
Having subtitles that read "[Redacted by UA-cam]" in a video about the overuse of censorship.
We really are in a bad place.
What timestamp was it?
@@nicollomatt 11:37
@@Lucas-ty5ph did it change? because i can still see it
/woosh
[Eleonor's voice] THIS is the Bad Place!
"I'm not talking about money, I'm talking about economics!"
We're not standing on the floor, we're standing on the ground!
It's not Leviosa it's LevioSA
Ah yes the floor here is made out of ground
Im not rising, the ground is getting away from my hot air balloon
The fact that this video is demonitized speaks volumes about the point you're making. Great video. It made me genuinely grin.
UA-cam doesnt have to monetize him though.
UA-cam has a terrible censorship system
With the new social media as editorial site will make some interesting changes.
How can you tell something like that? That it's been demonetized?
@@realemetic1 there is no ads
"Dark humour is like food, not everyone will get it."
-Joseph Stalin
Edit: wow thanks for the likes. The ones who disliked will be sent to the gulag.
It hurts to think that Stalin might actually have had a sense of humor like that. But at least it's not Mao.
Even evil people can have humour, although it tends to be very dark. Still would prefer that over a snowflake trying to make a joke.
Depends who is saying it, if its a bunch of kids saying n***a than sure thats not all that funny. But some people still do tell dark humour jokes that are actually funny. People like isaac butterfield or diesel patches.
@@Sorain1 It was a joke in Ukraine during Soviet occupation (I think?)
Dark humour is like a young kid with cancer it never gets old
11:56 "It HUMANISES Hitler" - I'd prefer that over the always grumpy, yelling lunatic that he's portrayed as in nearly every movie.
We must face that it's human to be cruel, and that evil people may be relatable, charming and well mannered 99% of the day. Hitler could never have gotten a nation to worship him if he wasn't in touch with its human elements. One day, you may encounter a monster with the most pleasant demeanor, and you'll be tricked, because media taught you that evil dictators are obvious raving animals. And always grumpy.
Sercil he wasn’t even humanized. He was barely in the movie, and when he was he was seen as stupid or completely comical. Except for the one scene about mojo being a rabbit
Totally agree, but also, that wasn't even Hitler! That was a boy's fantasy of what Hitler was like. The actual man is never portrayed in this movie.
Pol Pot, everybody who knew him said he was a well mannerd and polite guy. He got almost half of the population of Cambodia murdered.
The best part of the movie is “Fack off hitler”
There is a fucked up Soviet Movie called Come and See that ends with the main character shooting a picture of Hitler, and he has visions of a child and infant Hitler with his mother, realizing that Hitler isn’t a demon he’s just a man, who was once an innocent child. And he was a man who committed great evil, just like the boys own soviet partisans have done
Hoping one day a Korean director will do a comedy about the Imperial Japanese during WWII
ngl i'd pay to see that
I'm Korean, I'm on that shit right the hell now.
I really hope something like that happens
Hopefully Mr. Bong
They are busy on kpoping the mass
Ironic that same people who are against bullying are the VERY ONES who bully anyone who disagree with their ideas
My dad likes to scream at jars mayonnaise when we go shopping
That irony is getting really old. I can only laugh for so long.
Not entirely. A big part of the left, if not the majority, also recognizes that cancel culture is shit.
ua-cam.com/video/OjMPJVmXxV8/v-deo.html
Contrapoints is a popular left wing youtuber, and she made a whole 2 hour video on why it sucks.
Yep - like the leftist totalitarian west.
Rules for thee but not for me
"The great thing about freedom of speech is it lets you know who the jerks and morons are."
Bill Whittle
Yeah, that's my take on holocaust denial censorship in Germany. I wanna know who the deniers are. They should be allowed to be bold and unsympathetic, just like the ideology they advertise. In our times a smooth-talking diplomatic nazi is far more dangerous. Outright lies are easier to spot than euphemisms.
@@fjordrig6264 and then when we get familiar identifying the characteristic marks of Nazism, we can tell when the smooth-talkers are dipping into it
*Picking on someone's culture and ethnicity instead of actually studying a dictator's silly policies and writing witty jokes for them,* and then being criticized for being a lazy hack, and then hiding behind the counter-virtue signalling "you are attacking muh freedom of speech!" is just childish. No one is attacking any freedom. Criticism = attacking freedom? Why that just sounds exactly like an SJW!
The problem with smart films is dumb viewers.
Are*
Sorry, had to do it.
@@paxe9401 it's actually "is", cause they're talking about *the* problem
An example would be the lady that got on a soap box on BBC radio or something and said that Toy Story 4 was anti-feminist. They entirely missed the point of Bo Peep finding her own life as a lost toy. She still liked Woody and wanted to be with him, but she convinced him to join her in the life she chose to live since it was time for Woody to move on. The viewers that make this kind of stretchy nitpick aren’t necessarily dumb, they’re just too focused on finding what’s wrong with it than the good-hearted, well-thought-out message behind it.
@@coco-ro9pb but is you sure?
@@alessioarbustini5533 I think they're right. "The problem with smart movies are dumb viewers" doesn't work. They are talking about the viewers as a whole
"we are germans which means we can't attack germany"
all the civil wars in history: am i a joke to you?
Which is hilarious because the first country the Nazis conquered was their own. People forget that not everyone in Germany agreed with them. Many actually actively opposed them. It's just that they were silenced, jailed, sent to concentration camps, and eventually murdered for their opposing views. Ergo, you never hear about them.
@@matthewcastleton2263 and not to mention most of the common soldiers the wehrmach HATED the SS with a passion so much so that near the end of the war they activeley fought against them with americans
Exactly, I think some people forget that Adolph Hitler attacked his own countries (Germany and Austria) to gain power, before he attacked other nations. I can think of a German citizen. Dietrich Bonhoeffer, but he was in no way a Nazi, he hated Nazism. He actively helped Jews and tried to sabotage the Nazis. He was even involved with a plot to assassinate Hitler. Dietrich was arrested and executed for being involved with assassination attempts.
But i guess Austria and Luxembourg are fair game
@@matthewcastleton2263 I'd assume many were just incredibly scared and fearful for what would happen if they opposed. My english teacher told me a story over her father who is around 98 or so years old I believe and is Italian so was taken over by Germany in WWII and thus he had to fight on Germany's behalf and he said he did it because he had too.
Jojo Rabbit is just like Thunderbolt: criticizing and making fun of the stereotypes it portrays. The people that don't get that and get offended by both those movies continue to amaze me.
It requires intelligence to get satirical humor.
"Everyone agrees with free speech until they hear something they don't like." - Ricky Gervais
Once your speech becomes an action then it is no longer free.
Some nazi cyborg soldier in the distance:
"JOOOOJOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!"
You utter fool, German engineering is the greatest in the world!!!!!!!!!!!
Ofc there'd be a jojo reference here and I'm happy.
Speedwagon Foundation for Economic Education
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JOJO!
*"This angered Hitler's father who punished him severely"*
Dude very cool
Dude...so cool
Dude.... Cool
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Dude very cool
*"Demand* to be challenged! To be offended! To be treated like *thinking,* *reasoning,* *adults!* And raise your kids to be the same! Don't let a comedian, a network, a congressional committee, or an evil genius take away your freedom to laugh at whatever you want."
- Duckman (1994)
Duckman was ahead of its time
Who the hell is Duckman and who chose his name?
I always said people need to be offended, it's the only way to grow. Those who fear it have weak stances on just about everything.
damn that's an inspirational quote
Duckman sounds like an nazi
"I disapprove of what you say, but will defend to the death your right to say it" -Voltaire
Except he never said that. ;)
@@hedninggp1728 Wasn't it someone else basically summing up Voltaire's stance on civil discourse?
Or that one episode of community where britta defends the right for a comedian she hates to perform
@@nickholt3898 Yeah it was Evelyn Beatrice Hall describing his philosophy
Not anymore, Angie...
"Know yourself and your enemy, you will never have to fear the battle. Know yourself but not the enemy and for every victory gained, you will suffer a loss. Know neither yourself nor the enemy and you will succumb to every battle." Can be applied here for debates.
The sheer volume of everyday shit you can apply Sun Tzu to is amazing.
Kvothe Windrunner THATS THE ART OF WAR
The art of war right? Haven't read it for quite sometime
Đức Lê yes
I knew my enemy but I didn't knew the stupidity of my own.
“If one is saying it’s raining, and another says it’s sunny, it’s not your job to attack one of them, it’s your job to look at the window and see which one is which”
-tumblr, idk, vague memory
Thanks for sharing this, I appreciate it. A very cool analogy for something so simple but clouded by human judgement.
There... are ... FOUR... LIGHTS!!
This is a very eye opening quote.. damn..
Turns out it's snowing
:)
What those "woke people" didn't get is, that humor and comedy isn't about unicorns and rainbows, but about making tragic things more bearable to the human mind.
The thing is, most dark humour nowdays is people making fun of tradgedies that dont effect them and are usually punching down. Thats the kind of stuff i personally hate because its just mean: eg, making fun of a fat person tellingthem to justloose weight or making fun of a POC calling them 'ratchet',
@@Flowertot that's not dark humor
This is:
"You know that guy who lost both his left arm and left leg? It's okay! He all *right* now!"
@@Flowertot and yes I would judge a fat person
@@Flowertot bruh you don't know what a REAL black humour is black humour is for example a video of some women getting ran over by a motorcycle with sabaton's "Primo Victoria" in the background as he ran into them or a deepfake of some terrorist in a process of shooting someone singing to baka mitai or a duolingo owl's face being cut on some old ass kkk member burning some cross face and on the bottom of the screen was "POV: you didn't do your test so dulingo guessed he needs to test your fire resistance". This is the REAL black humour and all these videos are examples i saw on simply being on discord and twitter for 30 mins
An example of what you mean: "How many cops does it take to screw in a light bulb? Zero. Because they would just beat the dark room for being black." A funny joke that deals with actual issues in our country. Not my joke though. You think too much of me kid. I'm not that clever.
"Yohki, you're my second best friend. First place is reserved for the Fuhrer."
Golden line.
“How can you truly understand your own worldview if you aren’t actually allowed to engage with ideas that might contradict it?”
Holy shit that’s good
“Have you ever had butter on a pop tart? It’s so frickin good” -Peter griffin
Damn that's frickin' deep bro I think I join Antifa now
Knocks Schiller lmao
Well said
This comment made me strangle my firstborn child
Mr. Fancypants damn bro, that’s deep
If one of hitlers ancestors hadn’t changed his last name jojo rabbit would have said “heil schickelgruber”
😂
“He was a monster, and his name... Adolf Schickelgruber... what a monster..” 😂
how would he even get into office with a name like that lmao
Imagine being known as the great great grandfather of Hitler, and everyone just wants to kill you for a son you couldn't think of
His stepfather's name is Hitler i im correct
Even if an idea is so bad no one should hold it, the fact that some do hold bad ideas means they ought to be debated.
@Mr. 8-Bit Doggo It's not so much about convincing the deluded but showing the delusion for what it is that others might not follow. Truth enables us to contend with the full range of complexity that reality brings, even if the whole population deny it, we and those who also seek it will be healthier for the pursuit. And if through debate we influence others to join in that pursuit, then they too can share in the benefit.
People do what they think is the best thing given their perspective and understanding. If someone has a reprehensible view, it is probably due to a reprehensible perspective and understanding. We might be able change that understanding, but remember the leap method for dealing with schizophrenics. It basically states that you can't use facts to change someone's understanding unless they feel like you listen to them, love them, and are working with them to help them. Simply telling someone they are not allowed to say certain things destroys that foundation.
@@vlc-cosplayer we got philosophers on the top comments, then this smug anime girl ruining the thread. And then this weeb who is not contributing anything to this.
luckily marxism just needs a history book for one to know it's a bad idea..
Exactly! truth and putting the spotlight on someone with terrible ideologies is a great sanitizer. Don't shut them down let them speak they will out themselves.
when you don't let any thing offend you, the world is your safe space
That's so true person of non assumed identify
Is this a quote? Since I want to know if o should quote you when i use this.
I hate JoJo Rabbit, because now when I try to search "JoJo nazi", I keep getting this movie instead of my man Stromheim
stroheim*
God dammit.
German science is the best in the world
Braka mono ga
BRRRRRAKA MONOGA! DOITSU NO KAGAKU WA SEKAI ICHI!
Just one more video to thank FEE for. I live in Venezuela, I know what is living under a totalitarian regime. Every time I see people in the US, specially public figures and influencers, use their free speech to attack blindly their own right to free speech, I suffer.
You, American people, you are the land of the Free, remember that you are an example for the world in democracy.
*republicanism
Qwerty very, very slowly. Our socialist Government has some particularities because until 20 years ago, we were free. People had free speech, private property and so on. And Chavez’s dictatorship wasn’t willing to show his true colors one day to the next so we got mass internet when the rest of the world did, we got used to it and now taking it from us is a gambit the government is not going to take. That said, out internet is soooo slow. At home my broadband top speed is 1Mbps and it is luckily stable. Some people got 10Mbps services and it is highly unstable. Some other got no internet from years because the bought from the government internet provider and it is so bad, they never fix anything unless you bribe them hard. And in the last year satellite internet became a fairly common service that do have speeds up to 50Mbps but it is so expensive only companies and rich people can afford it.
@Qwerty VPNs
I will pray for you and your country. 🙂🇻🇪🇺🇸
All the people of the world deserve freedom of choice, equality of opportunity, and the rule of just law.
I'm Jewish and I told some of the hilarious jokes from the movie to my Jewish friends, and they found it offensive wtf
Same, mom got mad at me for "thinking nazis are funny"...
Maybe it was your timing?
@@teej783 I really don't think so, bc they were all talking about how Hitler had bad breath or something, so I decided to continue joking about nazis
Did you explain what movie they came from?
Me and my close friends a lease joke about racial things but I try to filter some of my jokes around my other friends who I feel are more sensitive toward offensive or dark jokes.
You pointed out something very important, it’s the context that matters. My Great Grandfather and Grandfather were both living in Nazi Germany, and I was told that my great grandfather used it more as a slur, and if he was saluted in the streets, he would actually do a “boy-scout” salute instead of the Nazi salute to point out how foolish they were all acting
A German marching song called Erika was deleted for "Hate Speech". If you look up the lyrics you will laugh so hard
I love that song
Actually a bop tbh
People hate flowers, aren't they?
I can't even find the problem tbh
That song is great and it’s not even about Nazism
Title: This movie Offends You? Good.
Twitter: *Let us introduce ourselves*
“If you want to shine like sun first you have to burn like it.”
When i was a lad in the 60s, my third grade teacher told us America was special because every one had free speech. When we protested that communists shouldn't, she said in America, EVEN communists, who would destroy the system, even they had the right to speak. I'm guessing they don't teach that anymore.
Joseph McCarthy was cancelling "communists" throughout the 50's though.
Cancel culture bullshit isn't new.
@Vortex x My grandparents were russian and lived in communism.
They said it was poggers indeed.
Not kidding
@Vortex x you prefer what you have lived with your enitre life
Not officially, but all good teachers find a way to work it in one way or another.
I wasn't born in the the 1960s or never went to school during that time. But I was told I do young age that everybody has the right to speak up their mind. But if you're going to speak your mind make sure that you use the correct grammar and don't get violent with it.
Back at the school that I used to go to we would actually have a new could say a debate Club where we would literally disgust ideas and problems and try to peacefully solve it without making one side the complete winner. Come up with a compromise.
Now I don't even see this being taught in schools at all. Instead it's all your white and you're all bad all your different colors you're all good go and attack the white people. Oh what's this Jimmy said a little mean word to you now he's expelled from school and his whole entire life is going to get destroyed and now he's going to get on drugs and drink and get arrested and be concert thrown in jail for the rest of his life because he was kicked out of school for saying one mean word.
How fucked up is that
“Condemning free speech is like saying “You can do whatever you want as long as its what i want””
-me, just now.
Yet they cancel Gina Carano for her politics ..so whatever. Their a Bunch of hypocrites just spouting my art is right and yours isn't. And a bunch of people agreeing with them to keep their jobs. - see Mandalorian/Gina Carano/K.Kennedy.
“Trying to prevent the rise of authoritarian ideologies by engaging in authoritarian policies of our own doesn’t make any sense.”
Well put
Our current methods don't seem to be working. Simple methods never do, as they are not the replacement for a backbone and strong moral structure. We have spent the last sixty years tearing down that structure. And now we scratch our heads and wonder what's going on.
While watching this movie, I felt like it was a non offensive movie disguised as an offensive movie.
That's 100% right
It's really an inoffensive movie disguised as an offensive movie
“Offensive speech” is exactly what the right of “free speech” is intended to protect. There is no need to protect “inoffensive” speech.
Nobody cares about "inoffensive" speech, but the issue is what qualifies as offensive. Most of my life, I've had my very existence treated as more offensive than the nazis my great grandfather beat to death with a shovel. At least in my sphere of existence, satire of obviously wrong people seems to be more protected than the lives of the people the nazis sought to exterminate.
Satire is at risk, but so is genuine expression of mere existence which is how we get shit like the easily-editable lesbian cop troll in Onward(lesbian cop troll is a product of corporate censorship). Every time I see an expression of a marginalized person hit mainstream audiences, I can't help but feel like I have to batten down the hatches for another storm of harassment.
@@AlexMint You COMPLETELY missed the point of my post. I said in my post, “There is no need to protect ‘inoffensive’ speech” (i.e. nobody cares about it) and your first point of rebuttal is to assert agreement with that. Then you go on to say, “the issue is what qualifies as offensive”. This implies you want to stomp out all “offensive speech”…in other words, you want to completely eliminate the *very concept* that ultimately allowed you to be treated as an equal.
That is NOT the issue. The issue is, "should we even HAVE free speech?"
Let me clarify and speak slowly so you don’t miss the point: The concept of “free speech” is SOLELY to protect that speech which is found to be offensive. If you are arguing to end “offensive speech” you are arguing for an end to “free speech” and the implementation of an authoritarian regime to enforce it…under a threat of violence. There are no shades of gray here…it is black and white.
Me denouncing your pathetic victim-hood game isn’t me dismissing your existence. Quite the contrary, by taking issue with your positions, I am ACKNOWLEDGING your existence.
All my life I’ve been told I can’t go to a particular school…I can’t have a particular scholarship…I can’t have a particular job…I can’t get a loan, a government grant, a government contract…all because the color of my skin is wrong or I have the wrong gender. Every time I thought, “their loss, not mine” (i.e. THEY are the victim…not me). But, unlike you, I didn’t whine like a little pansy-ass…I moved on! If I were to whine about it and you were to denounce my whining, that would NOT be you dismissing my existence. It would be you ACKNOWLEDGING my existence. BTW, I am incapable of dismissing your existence. No one is… except you.
I find it ironic that you make the false claim that your “very existence [has been] treated as more offensive that the nazis” (who tortured and murdered 6 million people)…all the while the left is literally calling people who merely disagree with them “Nazis”. The outlandishness of your claim is only surpassed by the sheer stupidity of it.
But, projection and hypocrisy are standard principles of the left.
Now, I don’t give a crap where on the victim-hood hierarchy you fit…I don’t care what combination of gender/sexuality/race/creed/mental disorder describes you. In an expansion of Martin Luther King’s quote, “Judge a man/woman not by gender/sexuality/race/creed/mental disorder, but by the content of the man/woman’s character”.
Let’s take transgenderism. I don’t give a crap if you are transgender (in fact, if you are, I will fight to the *death* to protect your right to speak freely, i.e. say things that offend others like “gender is fluid”). I will also wish you the best in dealing with your mental disorder however you see fit. And if that means mutilating your body to conform to whatever your mind believes/pretends you are, so be it! Where I will draw the line is when you try to use authoritarianism (such as Nazism) to deny science, stomp out free speech, and force innocent people under the threat of violence to conform to a radical ideology and speech codes which are a product of that mental disorder. I will also fight to put an end to the obscene exploitation and abuse of children to perpetuate that radical ideology.
Let me be clear...the transgender movement isn't trying to assert their own rights...they are trying to stomp out the rights of others. I'll make a deal with them...I'll let them pretend/believe whatever they want to about themselves if they stop trying to force me to deny basic biology and live in their imaginary world.
I think the insane whack-job members of the LGBTQIAA+LMNOPQRSTUVWXYZ movement should have their incredibly offensive speech protected. I also believe the insane whack-job members of the Neo-Nazi movement should have their incredibly offensive speech protected. That way people like me can see how insane and whack-job they are and make our own judgments about them. Let the marketplace of ideas work rather than put the decisions of what you can say and cannot say into the hands of a small set of bureaucrats (like Pelosi and Trump). The line is drawn where speech is an incitement of violence.
One final point of clarification. I really don't give a rip how many intersectional ribbons you wear...I really don't give a rip where on the political spectrum you reside...if you are of good character, I will treat you with respect and defend you. If, however, your act like a friggin moron, I will call you out on it. And, if I call you out, it won't be because of your ribbons, it will be because you're a moron.
@@davidvana3730 honestly, i didn't even understand alex's comment, so i couldn't tell if it was an argument or an agreement. it's also weird you made the original comment with 1 account, but responded with a different 1. now on to my clarification (which is what i intended before reading the both of your comments)... some time ago, the court decided that certain words (fighting words) weren't protected under free speech, because their sole point was to get a rise out of someone & were essentially verbal assault. wait hold on, ik some trans chick or whatever riley dennis is said the same thing & misrepresented it to make it more vague than it was, but that's not where i'm going. actually, i was going the opposite way, just to mention that the exact reason for that case in the first place was someone randomly calling some other guy a nazi & then getting his ass kicked for it. that's all, thanks for reading this garbage can of a comment i made
@@davidvana3730 People calling out others for being racist or transphobic IS the marketplace of ideas working. I haven't seen anyone advocate for literal government censorship, I've only seen it used as a strawman of the left.
If you're talking about transgenders when you say "deny basic biology", I think you're confused. This has nothing to do with biology. Sex is biological. Gender refers to cultural/societal norm typically attributed to a sex. Sorry if you want to deny basic definitions.
@@glorious_cashew21 Putting out strawmen and falsely accusing people of being racist and phobic isn't marketplace of ideas. It is stupid people who can't coherently argue their point resorting to ad hominems, and usually engaging in projection and hypocrisy. And YOU are the one that is confused. Sex/gender is biological. FACT: you can't change your sex/gender. You can't change your race. You can't change your age. You can't change your species. People who believe so have a mental disorder or are misinformed. I don't really care that they have a mental disorder, I just don't want them forcing their disorder onto others. It's completely asinine.
So about the algorithm filters:
Yesterday I was browsing guitars on Pinterest, because I wanna have some inspiration for maybe building myself a guitar once, and therefore I typed in "gypsy jazz guitar" because that's how that type of guitar is called, and Pinterest wouldn't let me search for it, because Pinterest bans hatred and such. So yeah, that sucked. I had to find a way around it, just searching for "jazz guitar" and hoping that specific type of guitar would pop up (it has a very specific shape that I wanted to see some pictures of) and then I hoped for the algorithm to find some "similar ideas" that also featured those guitars.
that sucks
"We have strong legal protections for our freedom of speech"
This aged well.
Also only really relevant to the one country.
Aged like milk
What happened
@@stinkingyeti which one?
@@xaracen7207 BLM.
“A related quote that supports free speech”
-Some famous guy
funny
Same
A reply in support of the sentiment expressed by the quote.
OK, someone had to do it.
"Red Pineapple Juice is a funny name for a funny guy!" - Mark Twain.
It's right above the comment you're making fun of, got me good
Personally I didn't think the Count Dankula Pug thing was that tasteless of a joke, I mean the joke behind the gag is irony of something as cute as a pug expressing Nazi views, he made that pretty clear.
I had an uncle wounded at D-day. I still thought that Pug was funny as hell.
Nah, it was tasteless. It was quite a poor joke. With the full context it's sort of funny, but only to the intended original audience - his and his then girlfriend friends. The video itself? Boring as shit. His new repertoire (starting around the time he started doing Absolute Mad Lads) is much better, though.
@Kvothe Windrunner It was funny for the first minute, then it got repetitive and boring, like any joke said too many times. Worthy of fast exhale through the nose, maybe a little chuckle.
I can enjoy tasteless and poor quality jokes, while still admitting that they're tasteless and poor quality, but over 2mins of the same 3-5s skit? Nah.
@@rubbers3 And that's the irony part that people actually took it seriously while the rest of us are laughing it off as one of them tik tok shenanigans
I didn't really care for it, but that's really the point -- we are all going to disagree on the definition of "good taste". Mel Brooks' comedy was routinely criticized for pushing the boundaries of good taste, and people like George Carlin and Lenny Bruce crossed that line for most people all the time. But that's perfectly ok in a free society. We all *can* disagree about that kind of thing in a free society and still get along just fine.
JoJo Rabbit blew me away. I didn’t think that the establishment/Hollywood could unwittingly allow that genius Taika Waititi.
There's a big difference between hearing an idea, and agreeing with that idea.
And some people should really learn the difference instead of staying inside their own little bubble. Expose themselves to ridiculous ideas to get an understanding of WHY it's ridiculous.
yes, I WILL get an understanding of WHY it's ridiculous, but what about a kid like Jojo? who just wants to fit in, and the neonazis down the block are being really nice and i'm really impressionable so i hang with them and before you know it, you have charlottoesvile all over again.
freedom of speech is important, but it's also a paradox. If you let hatefull ideas have a platform, those hatefull ideas will remove it for their oposition once they get to power
@@J33zas Without free speech to challenge those ideas and the culture to support it, your hypotherical irl Jojo would never be allowed to explore other worldviews. He would be stuck with his clan without recourse due to authoritarian control. But if free speech and the culture of exploring new ideas and concepts exists, by others exposing truth and lies through different perspectives your Jojo has a chance to choose how he'll live his life by being exposed to better ways of thinking and living.
As a recent politcal saying goes, "Sunlight is the best disinfectant." Free speech can and does lead to horrible things when a few misuse it, but even worse is limiting thought and expression for everyone.
Yeah and not being so head strong on them being right
You should never look at an idea with your mind already made up that its ridiculous.
@@J33zas You hear an idea and consider what's being said and evaluate it for yourself. You don't blindly accept the idea as being true, especially if you have reason to believe that it isn't, you question it, you try to get the right answers ect.
There's no reason that limiting free speech will make this easier, it actually does the opposite. And that's ignoring the fact that you can't ever fully silence and idea, because anyone can think anything at any given time...
On the subject of tone of voice, there's a very interesting yet seemingly mundane sentence I once was taught:
"I didn't say he stole my wallet."
Add emphasis to any one word in the sentence, and it completely changes the meaning.
....i tried that and after emphasising My I just went like "hollow shit"
I guess that's how sarcasm works. Emphasise specific words and it will feel like you mean something else. I wonder how sarcastic remarks would sound without shifting tones.
@@dgdalt1518 That's why sarcasm doesn't really work that well in the internet.
I got one up on ya.
it was totally destroyed
you will always be emphasising totally, but you can say it in a way that sounds like it was destroyed completely, or not destroyed at all.
@@EmeraldEmsiron Or you could emphasize "was" implying incredulousness because you thought it was totally destroyed but it wasn't, or that it was in fact totally destroyed but has been rebuilt. Or frustration that it has been rebuilt, or any number of things based on context.
"The Death Star WAS totally destroyed!" Could be someone having a hard time believing the Empire has a Death Star after Ep IV, or someone explaining to the person who can't believe the Empire has a Death Star by emphasizing the past tense.
YoU Cant shOW sarcASM THROUugH TeXt.
I see what you did there..
@@KarlSnarks I didn't. Would you mind explaining?
@@Ddken93 he was using sarcasm to make a comment about sarcasm
We need a sarcasm punctuation mark.
@@howardcitizen2471 YES PLEASE
“Freedom is the freedom to say that two plus two make four. If that is granted, all else follows.”
-1984, George Orwell
Ironically someone’s probably going to find this vid and try to cancel the creatours for it.
So British that you put a U in "creators".
@@bradley5210 I was about to say lmfao. I'm gonna spell it like that for memes now
Yes, Cancel culture is coming .... especially the Joker film!
UA-cam: YES
This is a Marxist and multicultural problem.
Jojo Rabbit is a stand user, and Adolf Hitler is his stand.
Illuminati: STAY RIGHT WHERE YOU ARE
I like where this is going
Z-Statistic Joseph Jostar was friends with a nazi
so you can kill your own stand?
That explains why no one can see Hitler
I think as well its worth mentioning the ideology of the nationalism in the movie is deliberately made ridiculous in contrast to the actual love story that blossoms with its characters. It demonstrates that love is worth far more than the childish falsehoods based in fear...over a clear understanding and empathy that evolves into love. I think that's beautiful.
I think its well worth mentioning that absurdist theatre is meant to make a past evil "ridiculous" ..when it really wasnt ..people actually followed this and this actually is worse as it lessens the events and excuses the perpetrator as buffoons. This was real and real people including children died.
I have been living in the UK for 9 years now. First time I saw the German stereotype was in the Fawlty Towers episode called "The Germans" when I was 10 and I never laughed so hard.
My British cousin was so eager to show me this episode because she wanted to see how I react. I loved it!
That is one of the FUNNIEST things I ever saw. Especially with Basil Fawlty goose-stepping around!
Of course, John Cleese is the master of silly walks?
"I REJECT MY HUMANITY JOJO!"
-Dio Brando 2012
Reject humanity.
Embrace monke.
@@joshnic2412 nice variant the most in this memes is like monke orang chimpus forgot et al
@@joshnic2412 "becomes beast titan"
hell yeah
German here, hello. Jojo Rabbit primered in germany. I talked to friends who've been there in Berlin and took selfies with Taika Waititi in the background. So no Jojo Rabbit was not banned in Germany.
They said that is could not have been made in Germany.
@@thamas_420 why not?
@@outann2546 freedom of speech restricting laws
@@thamas_420 There is a law to specifically protect the freedom of satire in germany so it actually could have been made there; I dont know which law you are talking about.
@@outann2546 people can make the case “iT’s NoT sAtIrE” and the fact that that has happened makes people do it less, i would much rather make a film in a country which their is no threat on my freedom of speech
"Jojo Rabbit is Springtime for Hitler without the framing device"
so it's... out of frame?
I wasn't offended by the movie ... I just thought it was crap
@@pablorages1241 this is completely irrelevant to my comment.
@@Lenny-ue8hk it's all about framing
"Fuck your feelings!" should be the official motto of any artist.
When those kpop stans tried to cancel Filthy Frank on twitter it kinda broke my heart
Well, that might be a different conversation. I see nothing wrong with him getting cancelled. Yes, he has the right to free speech and the right to say the n word but those people also have the right to get mad at him for saying it. Obviously anything more than just yelling at him over twitter is stupid though.
@@carsonbell1354 Nah just like Jojo rabbit it was in a completely satirical sense. But to be fair if people got mad it is what it is
Yeah,Filthy Frank was a character created by George that represented the worst in/of all people
@@carsonbell1354 I do agree with you there, saying the N word was a stretch for the character
@@PatchOfMoss iddubbz after surström and ethan bald became shrimp after also after word speech then ancient keem alex starring and it all trickle from descartes masouleum poêlle unrelated meto holo mero nyms of his quotes on social groups from a curated self on copy pasta good read
I love how Jojo rabbit ironically talks about how propaganda and censoring can lead anyone into believing the darkest of lies, and this is what we are currently experiencing with the amount of censorship in the media. The media is trying to censor this movie not because of it's "offensive" jokes, they are censoring this movie for exposing them
hm
"How can you truly understand your own worldview, if you aren't actually allowed to engage with ideas that might contradict it?" Couldn't have said it better. 7:07
This succeeded where cuties fail so miserably.
If cuties was going for that...
Yes, seduction of children or murder of children in wars ..an the absurdity of it, while still either showing it or excusing the perpetrators as buffoons. Wow. Cool
When it comes to offensive ideologies, the greatest disinfectant is sunlight.
The Bolshevik Jews in the USSR killed 120 Million people, at least. 7 Million Christians in Ukraine through forced collectivism.
@@isorokudono Those numbers are from the Black Book of Communism, which has been debunked numerous times and even criticized by the very people who contributed to it. In fact, if you use the same disingenuous methods the book used to measure communism's death toll to measure capitalism's death toll, you'll find that capitalism has *far* more blood on it's hands. Please educate yourself.
@@greenorion6501 come again? Are you denying the Holodomor?
@@greenorion6501 Your thumbnail describes the size of your brain. Birdy.
The Holodomor (Ukrainian: Голодомо́р; Голодомо́р в Украї́ні;[a][2] derived from морити голодом, "to kill by starvation")[3][4][5] was a man-made famine in Soviet Ukraine in 1932 and 1933 that killed millions of Ukrainians. It is also known as the Terror-Famine and Famine-Genocide in Ukraine,[6][7][8] and sometimes referred to as the Great Famine[9] or the Ukrainian Genocide of 1932-33.[10] It was part of the wider Soviet famine of 1932-33, which affected the major grain-producing areas of the country. During the Holodomor, millions of inhabitants of Ukraine, the majority of whom were ethnic Ukrainians, died of starvation in a peacetime catastrophe unprecedented in the history of Ukraine.[11] Since 2006, the Holodomor has been recognized by Ukraine[12] and 15 other countries as a genocide of the Ukrainian people carried out by the Soviet government.[13]
Early estimates of the death toll by scholars and government officials varied greatly.[14] According to higher estimates, up to 12 million[15] ethnic Ukrainians were said to have perished as a result of the famine. A U.N. joint statement signed by 25 countries in 2003 declared that 7-10 million perished.[16] Research has since narrowed the estimates to between 3.3[17] and 7.5[18] million. According to the findings of the Court of Appeal of Kiev in 2010, the demographic losses due to the famine amounted to 10 million, with 3.9 million direct famine deaths, and a further 6.1 million birth deficits.[19]
The term Holodomor emphasises the famine's man-made and intentional aspects, such as rejection of outside aid, confiscation of all household foodstuffs, and restriction of population movement. Whether the Holodomor was genocide is still the subject of academic debate, as are the causes of the famine and intentionality of the deaths. Some scholars believe that the famine was planned by Joseph Stalin to eliminate a Ukrainian independence movement.[11][20][21] The loss of life has been compared to that of the Holocaust.[22][23][24][25] However, some historians dispute its characterization as a genocide.[26][27] en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
@@greenorion6501 How about you commies stop killing people. Eh?
"Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it"
Winston Churchill
Words of wisdom from a man that knew the dangers Hitler would bring, and argued against The Appeasement that only made things worse. A man that helped England hold back, and fight the German forces.
@@zoebrugg7594 Clueless...
"Germany's unforgivable crime before the second world war was her attempt to extricate her economic power from the world's trading system and to create her own exchange mechanism which would deny world finance its opportunity to profit"
- Winston Churchill, letter to Lord Boothby
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"Germany becomes to powerful. We have to crush it."
- Winston Churchill to US-General Robert E. Wood, November 1936
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"The enemy is the German Reich and not Nazism, and those who still haven't understood this, haven't understood anything."
- Churchill's chief counselor Robert Lord Vansittart to foreign minister Lord Halifax, September 1940
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"The war wasn't only about abolishing fascism, but to conquer sales markets. We could have, if we had intended so, prevented this war from breaking out without doing one shot, but we didn't want to."
- Winston Churchill to Truman, March 1946
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"During the entire period of the telegram war, in 1939-1940, lengthy negotiations took place between the German and British foreign ministries, in which the British suggested to cancel the war if Germany would reinstate the gold standard and reintroduce interest rates."
- Lieutenant-Colonel J. Creagh Scott, 11th August 1947, Chelsea Town Hall, London
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"Hitler, this uneducated and elementary man, has restored thanks to his natural intuition and even against the technical opinion of Schacht, an economic system of a very dangerous kind. [...] He has eliminated international and private finance, something so completely counter-revolutionary (i.e. anti-Bolshevist) that, as you already see, he has by means of magic, as it were, radically eliminated unemployment among more than seven million technicians and workers. If Hitler reached this despite all the bourgeois economists who surround him, then he was quite capable, in the absence of the danger of war, of applying his system also to peace time production... There is only one solution - war."
- Christian Rakovsky, the Soviet emissary to Paris and the liaison between the Soviet elite and high finance, when questioned by the GPU officer Gabriel Kuzmin in Moscow on 26 January 1938
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"We made a monster, a devil out of Hitler. Therefore we couldn't disavow it after the war. After all, we mobilized the masses against the devil himself. So we were forced to play our part in this diabolic scenario after the war. In no way we could have pointed out to our people that the war only was an economic preventive measure."
- US foreign minister James Baker, 1992
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"Not the political doctrine of Hitler has hurled us into this war. The reason was the success of his increase in building a new economy. The roots of war were envy, greed and fear."
- Major General J.F.C. Fuller, historian, England
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“Germany issued debt-free and interest-free money from 1935 on, which accounts for Germany’s startling rise from the depression to a world power in five years. The German government financed its entire operations from 1935 to 1945 without gold, and without debt. It took the entire Capitalist and Communist world to destroy the German revolution, and bring Europe back under the heel of the Bankers.”
- Sheldon Emry, Billions for the Bankers, Debts for the People (1984)
IF Churchill ever said this..... then he is actually misquoting someone else entirely, the original meaning of the message was the same but had some alternate words, Churchill saw the wisdom in it and appropriated the message for a new audience
Or learn how to perfect it
"Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." George Santayana (1905)
UA-cam : delete a german song Erika about flowers for being a "nazi song"
Me : sound like a censorship to me
"Hollywood makes movies for 16 year olds and China." - Anthony Mackie source red carpet news
I am offended by the image they have of 16 years olds
@Rechordian I was referring to the video discussion about Hollywood in comparison this. But thanks, knowledge posted warms the heart.
i am offended too fuck it
Well, I have to say something in defense of Chinese people, it's CCP censorship we talk about :)
"The further society is drifting from the truth, the more those who speak it will be hated."
Why Dr. Fasci needs a security detail.
Posting that in this context implies that there is actual truth going on and not a lot of lies.
That sort of view might be right at times. But it might also be wrong. It's quite a convenient view for someone to take that wants to convince themselves they are right because no one wants to hear them. For example, a neo-nazi could use that logic to decide that the negative reactions they receive is proof they are correct. It's just not good reasoning.
I speak a lot of truth, and sometimes, people even admit I'm right, but I'm still often hated for telling the truth.
@@thefox1901 It's a quote from Orwell and it's not reasoning nor logic. It's just a general description of human nature. Read 1984 and you'll understand it.
Favorite quote from this movie is when Jojo asks what the people had done to be hung, and his mom responds "All they could" That shit hit me hard af, gave me chills
Nice comment and all, but when we're talking about people it's *hanged.
Kill traitors before enemies
Especially after what ends up happening to her.
@@thetamaximum1901 nahhhh, that may be true but at the same time it sucks therefore it is not
In a world with South Park and Family Guy, i doupt that satire is going anywhere
People: "I'm so glad JoJo Rabbit proved, that you can still make smart, offensice satire today!"
The Death of Stalin: "Am I a joke to you?"
Michael Heyness yeah and no one got offended by that because the right wingers in the U.S. cum off of anything anti communist and the left wingers don’t care because it’s not “fascism”
Pez look in this comment section and you'll find plenty of people who are offended because of "the anti-white propaganda from the jews"
@@Norce555
I found those too.
Why do right wing libertarians always attract nazis?
@@carmelopearman5721 Russian government got offended and banned it. Also they banned Jojo Rabbit.
Lesh Lesh yeah they also tried to ban bohemian rhapsody
There’s no such thing as “the right not to be offended”.
@Smoke Tree Let me repeat what is said above: There is no right not to be offended. What is "society's greatest good" anyway and more importantly who fucking decides this? Think about it.
@@b.w.s.k.3894 its subjective and could be manipulated
@Smoke Tree I think polygamy could help society quite a bit.
@@realemetic1 Polygamy is useful for a country at war, thats how it came to be in the first place. The men go to war and not all of them return, which means there are more females than males. So if a man has for example 3 wives, he can come back from the front line for a month or two, impregnate them and go back to the war and even if he dies, he still possibly created 3 new soldiers. The Ottoman empire for example used this to its full advantage. Why would that help any country today?
@@Krelion1 I think there's some religions that allow it do you want a link?
"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - Evelyn Beatrice Hall (1906)
didn't someone say that in the 18th century?
@@mappsmappings4025 Voltaire
@@gnarly.bulblax yeah that person, not whoever the hell evelyn hall is
Finally someone quoting this statement correctly. This is a summary of Voltaire's philosophy, not something he actually said.
@@mappsmappings4025 It's not Voltaire. It was Hall, as something Voltaire COULD have said
If something like this ever offends me, good. Human creativity is far more important than my feelings.
As long as cancel culture is eradicated, good creativity and free speech of opposing politics is far more important than their feelings.
Movie: "Mocks and criticises regime that censors dissenting speech!"
Director: "We should censor dissenting speech."
My Brain: *confuz* -_o
@MrBlueD3V1L most of them did not go to jail though, hell most of them got the same job under a new name.
@@PattyOflan88 yeah most were just genocided
@Esben M don't have anything specific, well this is the first thing I saw that isn't wikipedia so
www.chronicle.com/article/The-European-Atrocity-You/132123
estimates go from half a million of deaths to 2,5 or something like that
@CNN is Fake News More like "Republicans"
@CNN is Fake News I'm not woke at all, quite the contrary. I was just mocking the moron that said Socialists are Nazis "IT'S IN THEIR NAME!" That's quite a dumb thing to say.
The Inquisition (Let's begin!)
The Inquisition (Lookout sin!)
We have a mission...
...to convert the [Redacted by UA-cam]
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@Kurt Barryman jewtube
The worst thing about censorship is _[This Comment Has Been Moderated by The People's Republic of China]_
@Kurt Barryman aight here I go
Jewtube
@Kurt Barryman Well, that's ironic. My comment criticizing yours was the one that disappeared within hours! LOL! Guess you were very wrong.
Epstein
"Don't listen to these people, they're crazy"
Vs.
"Listen to these people, they're crazy"
Hello and welcome back to a new tutorial on how to offend someone on social media.
Step 1: Type the words exactly as shown: "I have an opinion"
Step 2: Hit post
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This movie offends me.
There’s no jojo references in the movie
I knew I would find one of you here
Nowl Wane the whole movie is a jojo reference , nazi times , the fact that the main character has a stand and is named jojo , etc
Hitler is a literal stan for the kid one could argue.
I'm offended that the second part wasn't a thunder cross split attack.
A man of culture has arrived
So I was living in Germany when the trailer came out for JoJo Rabbit, and I was scared of laughing at it until I saw nearly everyone else in the theatre was laughing at the film so much that it became infectious. Sadly I still haven’t seen it, but I can’t wait to.
Yes, like people were scared of being accused of hiding Jews . See? If everybody else does it, its ok. Hell, some neighbouring countries even did it. This is social consent .. conscience by consensus. This made all the bad things Hitler did "understandable" or "absurd" but still horrible and unconscionable. Only by laughing at it , can we FORGET it. But some cant as it is just as evil, horrifying and detestable now, as it was then. That children are in it, is the truly pathetic part.
"We are germans, that means we can not attack germany!"
The people laughing are the americans who invaded themselves because of travel restrictions
“Because of travel restrictions the Americans started a coups domestically this year.” - The Internet
Or the people laughing because of the restrictions , lockdowns and forced vaccinations. But whose laughing now? Big Pharma all the way to the bank.
@@SuperOmnicronsj44 shut up and don't try to make everything into a stupid argument about how Big Pharma is controlling the world. Yeah obviously they get money because they make products that are needed right now. If there was a world war, weapon companies would make profit.
@@mo-s- nah, big Pharma is controlling the world because i said so. if you disagree i will cancel you! >:(
@@guadobobey5785 Oh no, he is right :O
I'm 32 years old and have watched the world change a lot from when I was a kid to now. One thing I noticed is that there used to be this commonly held, distinct separation between adult and non-adult. It was like this shared value that we all assumed certain things are for adults, and you have to be an adult to be able to process and handle whatever was in that content. If something had the Parental Advisory CD label or was a M-rated video game, it was really common for parents to not buy it for you. Everyone had that one friend who's parents didnt know or didnt care and yeah you listened to Blink-182 at his house and yeah you mighta borrowed his CD to burn a copy on CD-R and label it "Rock Mix 6" but you had to work for it.
Then you crossed that line and became 'adult'. Society saw you as being able to handle things and make up your own mind. It was known that an adult can see something and not have all their values and lives changed/influenced by a piece of media. You're an adult now, we think you're capable of seeing/hearing/reading this.
The odd thing is that it's starting to get blurred so much that people now talk about what society can and can't handle, adults included, the same way they used to talk about what children can and can't handle. There is no longer this understood 'finish line' that you want to get to and cross so you can be one of the club who can handle 'adult' stuff. People will speak casually about what the entire population should have access to or not the same way Tipper Gore spoke about the evil of metal music. At the very least... even Tipper wanted to put 'Advisory' labels on stuff... she was still leaving it up to the parent.... the conversation has drifted towards people openly deeming certain pieces of media acceptable or incapable of being seen by the actual adults.
To be fair, really bad movies offend me too. Films like the Emoji Movie, Transformers: Age of Extinction, the Last Airbender, and the Last Jedi. *_shudder_*
...the rise of skywalker. sorry, you forgot one
@@aurumjust5539 by all means be offended, nothing is going to happen of you beeing offended :D
Obi-Wan, you should be aware that this channel is funded by climate change-denying billionaires.
The Last Jedi is a masterpiece.
Jack Rutledge Goembel false. They have been given grants of about 4-6 million dollars a year from private individuals and institutes, consisting somewhat of fossil-fuel industries. Supporting the free market to solve climate change is not climate change denial, but it makes complete sense for these industries to donate some to this organization, because they are trying to educate people about how the private sector can solve environmental problems. Also, it’s important to make a distinction between a groups or individuals beliefs compared to their donors, because donations and endorsements do not define an actual message.
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@@ArdenSeccoriAzucar ten
More often than not, when I encounter people who tell you that certain things shouldn't be debated, it stems from their inability to form cogent arguments to defend their position.
Such as adult child relationships
I can't imagine someone being so smoothed brain as to think just because a symbol they don't like is in a movie, that the movie needs to be canceled without having ever viewed the contents
"Secrecy is the keystone to all tyranny. Not force, but secrecy and censorship. When any government or church for that matter, undertakes to say to its subjects, 'This you may not read, this you must not know,' the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man who has been hoodwinked in this fashion; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a free man, whose mind is free. No, not the rack nor the atomic bomb, not anything. You can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill him."
-Robert A. Heinlein
This quote sounds vaguely familiar, was it from a specific book?
@@xxscrublordxxx5652 To be honest, I'm not sure. I found it among a list of quotes attributed to the author but I've yet to read his entire body of work. I've only read Starship Troopers, Stranger In A Strange Land, The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress, Have Spacesuit-Will Travel and Podkayne of Mars.
I'm also currently reading The Cat Who Walks Through Walls and have started but have not finished reading The Rolling Stones and I Will Fear No Evil.
Also, while trying to look up the specific novel that was the source of the quote I found another applicable one, "The whole principle [of censorship] is wrong. It's like demanding that grown men live on skim milk because the baby can't have steak."
@@xxscrublordxxx5652 I believe it is a quote from the book Revolt in 2100. Ref. news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19153066. It is a great quote.
@@thegeneralist7527 Ah, thanks. I'll have to read that one sometime.
@@NexAngelus405 You're most welcome. Heinlein was one of my favorite science fiction authors when I was a kid. Of course Starship Troopers is a classic. I haven't read the book nor heard of it, but the quote rings true to me.