"....philosophical individualism is actually essential to our ability to truly value relationships and recognise the importance of other people. Unlike the collectivist who only sees people as part of a group and often ignores the individuals that group contains, or the totalitarians who only see themselves and their values as supreme, individuals recognise that every person has moral worth as an independent human being. We can not only see the individual as distinct from their group identity, we also better appreciate how everyone's unique ideas, values, skills, and knowledge can positively contribute to society as a whole." Thank you, Sean Malone.
@Dick Figgus how about you think. Humans literally conquered the planet because we are more socially capable than other animals. One of the greatest things humans can do that other animals cannot is we're capable of complex speech. It allows us to organize to collectivise in ways other animals cannot. It is only through cooperation that we conquered the planet and if we ever conquer the solar system, it'll be through cooperation, not through exceptional individuals as Elon Musk types, but through the incredible hard work of millions of humans of beings. Collaboration is what makes humanity strong. All humans are greedy to an extent into the extent that we're self-interested, but it is an all of our self-interest to build economic systems that make life as good as possible for the greatest number of people.
@@Feefa99 No. Because what induces people to cooperate is self interest and personal gain, not the "collective" good. What makes humans exceptional is our ability to think rationally for ourselves, not collectivize like a bunch of pack animals.
@@zylo999 So Superman, Batman and others want to save world for personal gain? You must have great moral compass. Been selfish is not rational, you just play with your own survival.
@@Feefa99 Superman, Batman, and others save the world for personal reasons. It's like the idea that Superman should just power a generator all his life to give free energy to the world. Why does he play superhero when he could do so much more good if he just gave up his individual desires? Same with Batman. Bruce Wayne can do way more good with his fortune than Batman can. Batman is a selfish desire on the part of Bruce Wayne, in order to cope, badly, with his parents' death. Collectivism denies humanity. We do work together, but voluntarily. Anything else is slavery. The pyramids were not built by slaves, but by contractors and workers who were paid. Slavery has retarded every economy that had it. Communism has retarded every economy that tried it. While freedom and individuality and innovation has strengthened every country that tried it. The greatest progress has come from innovations. Otherwise we'd still be using horse and cart, and mailing letters to each other instead of texting or calling wirelessly.
@@shaunjimbangan1166 it’s easy when watching a show that’s is made in a way to show these truth to talk like your completely knowledgeable or contemplate these truths but then in real life revert back to acting on emotions and falling for media bait etc because when u turn off the tv “it’s back to real life” where the you that was watching this on tv an saw all these self eve isn’t truths is separate from when your not watching the movie and actively being led to see these self evident truths. At least something like that I think lol
@@mekhifinn8888 Google the show you want to watch with "watch online" usually works. Or "movies123." If you have android phone, tablet you can check out UA-cam channels for amazon firesticks (which are essentially android os). There are a handful of apps that scrape streams such as "cinemahd" "cucotv" "beetv" and many more. For PC/mac, you can download these free apps onto an emulator. The classic emulator is "bluestacks." Finally a mainstay for people for scrapping streams is called "Kodi." Kodi is a little harder to set up than these other apps, but some people swear by it. UA-cam videos will explain set up of just about anything I mentioned.
I honestly enjoyed the fact that things were so long. For me it gave things a sense of weight and momentum. Maybe it wasn't the best choice for everyone, but it was the right choice for me.
@Radical Larry the slowmo was too much, and wonder womans war cry lamentation thing was shit after the first 4 times, but apart from that, enjoyable movie really
I agree. And also I can definately state that a lot of movies have some scenes that werent as necessary as others, so I dont think it should be a big deal with this movie
@Radical Larry yeah I think there is a fantastic Endgame equallimg 3:15-3:30 theatrical cut you could make from this film. However this isn't a theatrical cut and isn't trying to be. To me complaining that this would have been "better" as a 3:15 cut movie is like complaining the Lord of the Rings Extended Editions would have been better if they were just the theatrical cuts again but in a fancy box... It defeats the entire reason that version exists. The Snyder Cut is the same. It exists to give the fans everything they had that was part of Snyder's vision. A tighter theatrical cut would miss the point. Even if I hope that they make such a cut and do an iMax run of it. It would have been wrong to do that for this version. Hope this makes sense :)
@Radical Larry the reason it was so long is because they had to fix some plot holes, and make sceans that explain why all the characters are important, and what they bring to the table.
“There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him.” ― Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress
@Mackenzie Bauroth He was the exact opposite of a Nazi Sympathizer. He was a true liberal, maybe a libertarian at his most extrem which is the absolute opposite of what fascism and national socialism aspire to be. You should do some reading before you throw out your slanderous crap like this.
“There’s no shortage of people who would love to be Darkseid if they could” Not sure why but i found that quote hilarious, just the thought of someone genuinely wanting to be Darkseid is both baffling and worrying
the omega ray is really nice, the authoritarian and murderous tendencies, not so much. for me of course, for you average statist this is probably a wet dream.
You should do one about Batman v Superman Ultimate Edition, there's so much more philosophy, and politics to discuss in that film. it explores the ideas of absolute power that Superman has over humanity and whether this will inevitably corrupt him and necessitate his death from Batman's view, his subjugation as Lex Luthor wants, or human oversight as the US Government wants.
This is why we as individuals need backbones. If we can’t push back when our beliefs are being pressed, the individual loses individuality. That Loki scene really helps drive it in. Learning to weigh one’s self and maintain themselves is the best way to act.
Linkara said it best during his episode of Action Comics #775 "To paraphrase my favorite movie if superheroes are modern-day knights then the code they should be following should be might for right, you should only use that which is mighty for that which is moral"
Thank you so much FEE! I want you to know your points are not lost on me and I can't thank you enough for the priceless wisdom and ideals you put into every one of your videos. I'm a big hard man and you brought me to tears so many times "YES!!!!!!!". I pray that all of my brothers and sisters watching this fully understand and pass on these seeds of truths into this empire of lies. Ideas are bulletproof. Keep shining light into the darkness my friends.
I'll be honest, this one felt like you were circling around your points rather than fully relating it to what you actually mean in regards to the movie, especially in regards to Cyborg. You went off way too long on Aquaman an individualism, when at most you only needed a few minutes to describe that. All you really needed to say was that individualism is not the rejection of working together with others or putting yourself above other people, but rather ensuring your autonomy and ethics are not compromised or corrupted by other people, that you remain a good, moral human being. Spent way too much time on that, and it honestly got boring. As for Cyborg, you make a good point on how Darkseid embodies the death of individualism, but never on how Cyborg counters it. Whereas Darkseid wants to control and corrupt everything, Cyborg wants to help people in smaller ways, without needing to enforce his will onto others, whether it be saving the lives of people, helping a down on their luck mother suffering from a bad situation, or stopping the Mother boxes. Also, in your take on DC movies mistaking power for heroism, that's only partially true. Man of Steel was supposed to show an inexperienced but well meaning Clark struggling to use his powers to help people, as well as show the damage that Titans with so much power can cause, whether they be well intentioned or not, and the fallout is shown in Batman V Superman. Batman's acts of branding are never meant to be seen in a good light, they're a sign of his growing darkness, and its at the end where he's inspired by Superman that he turns for the better, his redemption being shown in the Snyder Cut, where he is a much more clear hero without losing his edge. Also, it's terrible sequel aside, WW 2017 was a pretty damn good movie that was only damaged because the studios mandated that Ares be the final villain, harming the main theme of mankind being capable of good and evil, and how at times, there is no Big Bad to defeat that saves the day. Overall, while I'd call Snyder flawed, I think he has a pretty good sense of what makes heroes heroic. Overall, gave this one a like, a good video. However, you could shave off some of the unnecessary parts and provide a more balanced focus, and I think your videos would be better.
ever since I found your channel, I’ve been feeling a little more sane and satisfied... you expressed my exact sentiments about issues in today’s society... and now you’re making a video about one of my favorite movie of all time?! i love you, man..
I haven't seen the movie, yet, but did he just tell Cyborg "with great power comes great responsibility"? Well, some things are universal, I guess🤷🏾♂️
I watched the Mauler review, it truly felt tiresome and unnecessary. But, I enjoyed the movie. I feel personally that I massively disagree with Mauler on this but that's Ok.
"Guys, you have to understand, Snyder *was* the cringe all along." - MauLer And he's right, as he demonstrated from the early trailers, at least two of the cringey jokes that were cut were actually created by Zack, not Joss, he only cut them to cover his ass. And he did it again afterwards, when he cut out Joker unironically saying "We live in a society" at the last minute after the trailer dropped and it was ridiculed.
Great channel, but definitely did not do your homework on went wrong originally, how we got to this point & what Snyder did to get this movie ready. He didn’t “re-edit” Josstice League. He simply completed the CGI to his film & filmed the MM & Knightmare scenes.
@@matiaslucas8933 Yeah, that one was pretty fucking hilariously bad. I mean, ffs, what is a corporation if not a collective of people getting together to decide what their bottom line should be?
@@voiceofreason467 no, it wasn't. like sean has said again and again, only individuals can make choices. corporations are a bunch of individuals getting together to do some stuff that they can't do alone. collectivism is as dumb and as bad as this video makes it look.
@@jonathacirilo5745 Dude.... collectivism is simply getting together, individually, to make decisions that will effect broad swaths of society, sometimes without direct knowledge due to the consent of the governed. What the fuck man? This is basic politics 101.
I loved the snyderverse. All three movies were awesome and I want to see the directors cut of suicide squad but ultimately I wish Snyder could have made JL2 and JL3
Batman v Superman wasn't about "Monsters". Yes, they fought a monster the end but that's not the whole plot of the story. Specially the Ultimate Edition.
9:27 all of that scenes that "doesn't matter" matters if u want to connect this to a sequel, matters if your are a fan of DC and u understand what are they connected to, wich is the main reason fans are puking crazy with zack snyder's version PD: #Restorethesnyderverse
The best part was it made each hero powerful. Barry literally saves the world when Superman couldn't, and Cyborg is a new God in the digital age. Worst part was Martian Manhunter being thrown in at the end, that did feel like an afterthought.
Loads of people critiquing ZS JL seem to be ignoring that it is an extented edition. It is not a theatrical release and it is not trying to be. This is a potential last hurrah so we get everything. So yeah there's some self indulgent scenes that could be shorter. And yes you would get a better for theatrical release film by cutting this to 3:15-3:30. But saying that is a bit like saying the extended editions of LotR would have been better if they were just the cinematic cut again in a fancy box. Yes the theatrical cuts are tighter movies better for a theatrical release. But doing that to the extended editions would defeat the entire point of them existing...
I don't know if it was intentional, but fathers and father figures are really influential in snyder cut (which was the only one I watched). Pretty cool. And if I was Jordan Peterson I'd probably say Darkseid is the tyrannical father.
hi sir i watched the whole video and I cant help but agree with you more and as I watched this video, I literally cried a lot seeing that there is so much to learn on this film that we the fans were fighting for. I'm also an individualist but a little bit collectivist. man I'm gonna share this video to my friends. ireally appreciate you sir so much more that you literally breakdown one of the great lessons we need to learn as individuals right now.
Snyder had some redemption with ultimate edition of BvS, but many people skipped and hopped onto the narrative that Snyder makes bad comic book movies. His filmography including 300, Man of Steel, and Watchmen tell a different story.
17:56 Wait, healthcare, education is not a right? From the perspective of a Vietnamese - a welfare state, this sounds strange to me. In our country K12 education and the basics of health care are generally free, and we like it very much. Any thoughts on this?
There's a funny little trend I'm detecting with Zac Snyder: If he's a fan of something, holds back on excessive slow-mo and isn't rushed, he's usually pretty good. 300, Watchmen, this, Aquaman, Man of Steel (for the most part); he's usually good as long as those three criteria are met.
You say that ZSJL is sometimes confused about the difference between being powerful and doing good, but you never discuss how the movie (or trilogy) establishes what good is. Most notably, you don’t address Victor’s arc (that is paralleled by Barry’s) in which he accepts “I’m not broken.” This relationship between the self and individualism is essential, and in ALL of Zack Snyder’s movies. Perhaps you’d say this point is outside the scope of your video because you focused mainly on individualism. However, you brought up the point about good actions at the end, so I believe it should have been included.
i really enjoyed your video, it was very thought provoking. i don't think that warner brothers deserves credit for the remake of this film. it was only after at&t bought warner brothers and forced them, kicking and screaming, to allow snyder to remake it so at&t would have more content for their streaming service that this version happened. the fact that warner brothers has already unequivocally stated there will be no more films in this version of the dceu just underscores how resistant to the original idea for the film they were.
The only reason I Loved Zack Snyder's Man of Steel, Batman v Superman ultimate edition and Justice League is PHILOSOPHICAL DEPTH of superhero characters. I like you are on same page too. Philosophy make superHero different from superBad guys, not superpowers. Zack Snyder's superhero are not Abnormally Righteous like other superhero movies we see. They questions reality, they falls morally and rise again. They are more Realistic Human. I really Love to see more Philosophical base Superhero movies in future. Zack also once said, "This is our morden mythology to understand the world in some way...". In the age of Comedy Superhero Circus movies it's rare to find the movie which actually inspires. Mos and Bvs have Inspired me. individualism is always victims of collectivism, this movie series have Philosophical Depth and still got cancelled because it's against collective mentality, general entertainment. Nice video, I m looking forward to watch your channel in future.
I love your commentary of the Justice League Snyder cut your choice of words is extraordinary meaningful and thoughtful appreciate your thoughts thank you Mark McClintock
Omg your storytelling is so perfect! I watched all of your videos until now. I'm a writer for the brazilian channel "Visao Libertaria". We are translating some of our articles!
Warner did not respond to demand from the fans. If it was up to them they never would have done it, but their corporate owners at AT&T forced them to do it as a way to promote their recently acquired purchase, HBO Max. The Snyder Cut was meant to be The Mandalorian for HBO Max.
Absolutely fantastic video! And spot on review of the movie. I assume you have an opinion about Cyborg's bank dealings. Another thought - Batman perhaps didn't try to force Aquaman because he knew he couldn't, whereas if he knew he could have then he might have. That's an example of why it's so important to uphold gun ownership rights, so that individuals retain the power to remain uncoerced.
I do... but the bank thing is a little complicated. If he was taking money from "the bank" or from someone else's account, then it's just pure theft, which should be easy to see is wrong. But I think he may have created the money out of nothing, in which case he's basically just creating inflation... But the glib answer is: That's what the Federal Reserve does all the time, and usually the benefits of all the new money they create go disproportionately to the bankers, so I guess if you're going to inflate the currency, it's nice to know the new money went to someone in need. Either way, it's short-term thinking.
@@FEEonline That is an assumption, for all we know, he got the money from his own account. His dad is after all a very successful scientist who has a top level position at star labs, an with that, he probably also gets top level money. Cyborg is also the most advanced walking supercomputer in the world, there are lots of ways he could make legitimate money online with his ability.
@@emperorpicard6474 He _could_ be making legitimate money online, but there's no evidence of that in the movie. From the way he _expanded_ the money pile (rather than transferring money from a different pile), the viewer's immediate impression is that he was creating money out of nothing. A less compelling interpretation is that, since he presented it as a random award from the bank, he was taking money from the bank. I appreciate that, like Superman, Cyborg has the power to make the world much better or much worse in an incredibly short time, and he restrains himself to avoid creating big problems. Also like Superman, he is firmly separated from the rest of humanity despite having been raised among them, and it's important for a hero like that to do small heroic acts to stay connected to humankind and show that he doesn't consider anyone too insignificant to help. But the moral lesson being imparted to almost all viewers is that if you could just create a pile of currency (twice the median American worker's yearly income) and give it to a down-on-their-luck family in a major American city, you'd be doing a good deed. And this scene is specifically telling us about the priorities that define Cyborg. So I'm quite comfortable judging the scene on its own terms, and discussing how it's actually a little problematic because both straightforward interpretations of the scene involve stealing value from people who weren't guilty of any crime against that family. The problem would become more obvious if he tried scaling up that kind of "heroism" to everyone who was down on their luck, which brings us back to the individualist conception of rights discussed in this video. If anyone was interested, I'd also enjoy chatting about how Cyborg _could_ be helping vast numbers of people, including billions who are worse off than this one family, without stealing from anyone, and the challenge of showing that on screen in an efficient and entertaining way.
@@FEEonline I read it. Nothing new that wasn't discussed. Zack's weakness was strong storytelling and he managed to get better at it. Results are seen in his Justice League (2021). One issues is 2 writers working apart. Between writers' names we see "and" instead of &. For this reason transition Batman vs Superman fight to Doomsday fight is weird. In that moment most viewers disconnect emotionally. WB managed to ruin Snyder's work. They have no patience or understanding how important character development is. Snyder needed more time and solo Batman movie after that not Justice League.
@@levi_exiled8579 I agree there needed to be another movie *at least* prior to JL. In fact, I wrote a mostly *positive* review of MoS, but with the large caveat that I thought his treatment of Superman was ok as set up (ie. Clark finding himself and "becoming" Superman) but not nearly enough for anyone to see him as a "beacon of hope for the whole world". All he did was smash a couple cities to pieces. Not very hopeful and a good way to make everyone terrified of you. But I think with MoS 2 that might have been resolved. And with a Batman movie that (for instance) featured the death of Jason Todd or something else that would show Batman's loss of faith in his own principles, it would have made sense why Batman was the Frank Miller version. But that's not what we got.
No dude.. Aquaman the film comes after this justice league film. Lol you need to check your timeline. It is after this film, Aquaman goes to his home town and rescues his mother and united the seven kingdoms.
@@jobsmine you act like they couldn't have taken out the dolphin speak in the snyder cut, or the contradiction about them not being able to breathe air. Those are the contradictions. as well as Mera's accent.
@@elementalscreator10 Yes in the comics atlantians can speak to the fish with their language. That how they understood each other. It’s not because they just read their minds by magic. Fishes/Dolphins communicate by propagating slwave sounds in the sea not by reading every kind in front of them. Also the director of Aquaman didn’t show but he explained to you in his interview.
@@jobsmine the fucking interview or the comics doesnt matter though. the movie is what matters, and that is an inconsistency. if it were worth keeping, it would've been in the aquaman film. you also act like snyder couldnt take the other movies into consideration and add elements to make those consistent. he easily couldve had a scene of ww flying, or the atlanteans suffocating on the surface. you seemed to have glossed over the breathing problem. so keep dodging I guess
Not sure if it was really good, or just much better than the theatrical release, but it's funny how there were no complaints about the darkness of tone, theme, and color because the focus is on the story this time.
It’s not the first time, not by a long shot. This kind of thing was happening as far back as when Conan Doyle was writing Sherlock Holmes. But it is that trend on a level and speed I don’t think it’s been before.
Unilateral leadership can have flaws as multilateral leadership but the opposite can also be true depending on the leadership model. Discuss some of the philosophical flaws however because I did not see such.
Countries are made of cities. Cities are made of communities. Communities are made of families. Families are made of individuals. If we want to make changes to the country we must start at the individual and work our way up
20:39 Bzzzt, wrong! I in fact *do* what is best for millions of other people: freedom. And if I had all the power in the world, I would devise a method to distribute that power to everyone in such a way that it could not be taken back. I'm brilliant (or so people tell me) and I could figure out a way to do it. Of course, nobody with power would lend me even an iota, because they knew they would never get it back.
The Snydercut is the best movie of 2021, and it is a shame that we didn't get a "theatrical" version of THIS movie (not the ruined Whedon cut) back in 2017. I see this movie as an "Extended Edition" of sorts like LotR, where not everything is "necessary," but everything builds the world and culture surrounding the story. Sure, I'd probably cut most of the nordic singing from the scene with Ben Affleck, and maybe not have as much slow motion, but there isn't anything in this movie that offends me or gives me pause. I love this movie, and I really hope that WBD continues this story to give it the conclusion that it deserves.
If you have all the power in the world no you do not become corrupt, because you define what is evil and good. Power corrupts is about not having power; its about having influence, wanting more and maintaining what you have by any means possible.
@Radical Larry Endgame and Infinity War was the MCU. You didn't even seen ZSJL. Steppenwolf inpalement and beheading death was even better than Thanos turning into dust. MCU Disney+ is aboit sidekicks and third rate superheroes. Boring and Lame.
@@juniourbonav7505 not really. only if you want to grand stand and virtue signal in a pretentious rambling. generally, if your organize your thoughts you can denounce something in about the same amount of time as the original product.
Here I thought I was just going to watch something generic, and boy how wrong I was. It’s crazy how much this applies to our current situation in the world today. I wish more people thought like this.
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"....philosophical individualism is actually essential to our ability to truly value relationships and recognise the importance of other people. Unlike the collectivist who only sees people as part of a group and often ignores the individuals that group contains, or the totalitarians who only see themselves and their values as supreme, individuals recognise that every person has moral worth as an independent human being. We can not only see the individual as distinct from their group identity, we also better appreciate how everyone's unique ideas, values, skills, and knowledge can positively contribute to society as a whole."
Thank you, Sean Malone.
Ehh what happened to teamwork?
@Dick Figgus how about you think.
Humans literally conquered the planet because we are more socially capable than other animals. One of the greatest things humans can do that other animals cannot is we're capable of complex speech. It allows us to organize to collectivise in ways other animals cannot. It is only through cooperation that we conquered the planet and if we ever conquer the solar system, it'll be through cooperation, not through exceptional individuals as Elon Musk types, but through the incredible hard work of millions of humans of beings. Collaboration is what makes humanity strong. All humans are greedy to an extent into the extent that we're self-interested, but it is an all of our self-interest to build economic systems that make life as good as possible for the greatest number of people.
@@Feefa99 No. Because what induces people to cooperate is self interest and personal gain, not the "collective" good. What makes humans exceptional is our ability to think rationally for ourselves, not collectivize like a bunch of pack animals.
@@zylo999 So Superman, Batman and others want to save world for personal gain? You must have great moral compass.
Been selfish is not rational, you just play with your own survival.
@@Feefa99 Superman, Batman, and others save the world for personal reasons. It's like the idea that Superman should just power a generator all his life to give free energy to the world. Why does he play superhero when he could do so much more good if he just gave up his individual desires? Same with Batman. Bruce Wayne can do way more good with his fortune than Batman can. Batman is a selfish desire on the part of Bruce Wayne, in order to cope, badly, with his parents' death.
Collectivism denies humanity. We do work together, but voluntarily. Anything else is slavery. The pyramids were not built by slaves, but by contractors and workers who were paid. Slavery has retarded every economy that had it. Communism has retarded every economy that tried it. While freedom and individuality and innovation has strengthened every country that tried it. The greatest progress has come from innovations. Otherwise we'd still be using horse and cart, and mailing letters to each other instead of texting or calling wirelessly.
People vaguely perceive these truths to be self-evident when used in classic story-telling, but completely forget at the ballot box.
Could you elaborate
@@shaunjimbangan1166 it’s easy when watching a show that’s is made in a way to show these truth to talk like your completely knowledgeable or contemplate these truths but then in real life revert back to acting on emotions and falling for media bait etc because when u turn off the tv “it’s back to real life” where the you that was watching this on tv an saw all these self eve isn’t truths is separate from when your not watching the movie and actively being led to see these self evident truths.
At least something like that I think lol
@@shaunjimbangan1166 Hahahaahaha.
Yes, let him explain if he belongs to your tribe or not.
You really missed the point of this video by FEE.
I guess it's kinda randomly asking but does anybody know of a good site to watch new series online ?
@@mekhifinn8888 Google the show you want to watch with "watch online" usually works. Or "movies123." If you have android phone, tablet you can check out UA-cam channels for amazon firesticks (which are essentially android os). There are a handful of apps that scrape streams such as "cinemahd" "cucotv" "beetv" and many more. For PC/mac, you can download these free apps onto an emulator. The classic emulator is "bluestacks." Finally a mainstay for people for scrapping streams is called "Kodi." Kodi is a little harder to set up than these other apps, but some people swear by it. UA-cam videos will explain set up of just about anything I mentioned.
I applaud the new Jordan Peterson Red Skull as he strikes terror in his enemies by making them clean their rooms.
Jordan Peterson is the closest thing we have to a real life Jedi master.
Think about it
*pokémon trainer voice*
Oh ! JBP has evolve from Kermit the frog to Red Skull !
I mean, its not like liberalism(real liberalism) and facism are literally mutually exclusive.
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@Mike Li 'adult toddlers', good way to dismiss an argument about mental health.
I honestly enjoyed the fact that things were so long. For me it gave things a sense of weight and momentum. Maybe it wasn't the best choice for everyone, but it was the right choice for me.
Same, for me it was "give me more of everything, yes!!"
@Radical Larry the slowmo was too much, and wonder womans war cry lamentation thing was shit after the first 4 times, but apart from that, enjoyable movie really
I agree. And also I can definately state that a lot of movies have some scenes that werent as necessary as others, so I dont think it should be a big deal with this movie
@Radical Larry yeah I think there is a fantastic Endgame equallimg 3:15-3:30 theatrical cut you could make from this film.
However this isn't a theatrical cut and isn't trying to be. To me complaining that this would have been "better" as a 3:15 cut movie is like complaining the Lord of the Rings Extended Editions would have been better if they were just the theatrical cuts again but in a fancy box... It defeats the entire reason that version exists.
The Snyder Cut is the same. It exists to give the fans everything they had that was part of Snyder's vision. A tighter theatrical cut would miss the point.
Even if I hope that they make such a cut and do an iMax run of it. It would have been wrong to do that for this version. Hope this makes sense :)
@Radical Larry the reason it was so long is because they had to fix some plot holes, and make sceans that explain why all the characters are important, and what they bring to the table.
“There is no worse tyranny than to force a man to pay for what he does not want merely because you think it would be good for him.”
― Robert A. Heinlein, The Moon Is a Harsh Mistress
does that include healthcare?
Great book!
'no worse tyranny' ? = use your imagination
@Mackenzie Bauroth And that would be who in the context of this comment chain?
@Mackenzie Bauroth He was the exact opposite of a Nazi Sympathizer. He was a true liberal, maybe a libertarian at his most extrem which is the absolute opposite of what fascism and national socialism aspire to be. You should do some reading before you throw out your slanderous crap like this.
“There’s no shortage of people who would love to be Darkseid if they could” Not sure why but i found that quote hilarious, just the thought of someone genuinely wanting to be Darkseid is both baffling and worrying
the omega ray is really nice, the authoritarian and murderous tendencies, not so much. for me of course, for you average statist this is probably a wet dream.
Alfred calling Supes “Master Kent” is so endearing
You should do one about Batman v Superman Ultimate Edition, there's so much more philosophy, and politics to discuss in that film. it explores the ideas of absolute power that Superman has over humanity and whether this will inevitably corrupt him and necessitate his death from Batman's view, his subjugation as Lex Luthor wants, or human oversight as the US Government wants.
UE is a Masterpiece
While the UE made a decent difference I'm still amazed by how little people comprehended from the original.
It’s still flawed, but I appreciate it more in hindsight.
This is why we as individuals need backbones. If we can’t push back when our beliefs are being pressed, the individual loses individuality. That Loki scene really helps drive it in. Learning to weigh one’s self and maintain themselves is the best way to act.
This channel is one of the heroes of the internet for sure!!!
Some strong moral standards here!
Your channel is criminally underserved to the masses and I hope it grows more than you'd ever hope
Linkara said it best during his episode of Action Comics #775
"To paraphrase my favorite movie if superheroes are modern-day knights then the code they should be following should be might for right, you should only use that which is mighty for that which is moral"
Idk what other people like, but this kind of video is something I would watch every time.
What happens with flash at the end...
Revivifies hope in humanity.
Thank you so much FEE! I want you to know your points are not lost on me and I can't thank you enough for the priceless wisdom and ideals you put into every one of your videos. I'm a big hard man and you brought me to tears so many times "YES!!!!!!!". I pray that all of my brothers and sisters watching this fully understand and pass on these seeds of truths into this empire of lies. Ideas are bulletproof. Keep shining light into the darkness my friends.
I'll be honest, this one felt like you were circling around your points rather than fully relating it to what you actually mean in regards to the movie, especially in regards to Cyborg. You went off way too long on Aquaman an individualism, when at most you only needed a few minutes to describe that. All you really needed to say was that individualism is not the rejection of working together with others or putting yourself above other people, but rather ensuring your autonomy and ethics are not compromised or corrupted by other people, that you remain a good, moral human being. Spent way too much time on that, and it honestly got boring.
As for Cyborg, you make a good point on how Darkseid embodies the death of individualism, but never on how Cyborg counters it. Whereas Darkseid wants to control and corrupt everything, Cyborg wants to help people in smaller ways, without needing to enforce his will onto others, whether it be saving the lives of people, helping a down on their luck mother suffering from a bad situation, or stopping the Mother boxes. Also, in your take on DC movies mistaking power for heroism, that's only partially true. Man of Steel was supposed to show an inexperienced but well meaning Clark struggling to use his powers to help people, as well as show the damage that Titans with so much power can cause, whether they be well intentioned or not, and the fallout is shown in Batman V Superman.
Batman's acts of branding are never meant to be seen in a good light, they're a sign of his growing darkness, and its at the end where he's inspired by Superman that he turns for the better, his redemption being shown in the Snyder Cut, where he is a much more clear hero without losing his edge. Also, it's terrible sequel aside, WW 2017 was a pretty damn good movie that was only damaged because the studios mandated that Ares be the final villain, harming the main theme of mankind being capable of good and evil, and how at times, there is no Big Bad to defeat that saves the day. Overall, while I'd call Snyder flawed, I think he has a pretty good sense of what makes heroes heroic.
Overall, gave this one a like, a good video. However, you could shave off some of the unnecessary parts and provide a more balanced focus, and I think your videos would be better.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
i think the music choices in the Snyder cut are way, way better than the Whedon cut
Haven't seen the movie but still gonna listen. Man this guy can elaborates on the philosophy of almost any good movie.
I got drawn into watching these about movies I have zero interest in simply by the skill of the narrator.
They will race behind you, they will stumble and fall. In time, they will join you in the sun.
ever since I found your channel, I’ve been feeling a little more sane and satisfied... you expressed my exact sentiments about issues in today’s society... and now you’re making a video about one of my favorite movie of all time?! i love you, man..
Very glad to hear that :)
@@FEEonline Is your name public?
@@yowhanesdagnew8958 as much as I want it to be, yeah.
@@FEEonline huh?
@@yowhanesdagnew8958 it's fairly public, yes. I don't go out of my way to tell people how to contact me personally though.
That was really well made. Well done.
I haven't seen the movie, yet, but did he just tell Cyborg "with great power comes great responsibility"? Well, some things are universal, I guess🤷🏾♂️
this is the only movie in years I'm clicking out of a review for spoilers. ty for warning me. I'm excited to see the movie, I just happen to be broke.
Man of Steel was an alien 1st contact story that featured a human journey .
And a great adoption story.
Not too shabby for a universe about gods
Please keep on doing videos weekly.... Your videos gives me some hope
0:22 ah you sweet summer child
@Lol Umadbro yep
I watched the Mauler review, it truly felt tiresome and unnecessary.
But, I enjoyed the movie. I feel personally that I massively disagree with Mauler on this but that's Ok.
@Radical Larry That's your personal opinion.
I think it's not a Bad movie and that's my personal opinion.
"Guys, you have to understand, Snyder *was* the cringe all along."
- MauLer
And he's right, as he demonstrated from the early trailers, at least two of the cringey jokes that were cut were actually created by Zack, not Joss, he only cut them to cover his ass.
And he did it again afterwards, when he cut out Joker unironically saying "We live in a society" at the last minute after the trailer dropped and it was ridiculed.
These video essays are very well made and thought-provoking. You're a rare gem here
Great channel, but definitely did not do your homework on went wrong originally, how we got to this point & what Snyder did to get this movie ready. He didn’t “re-edit” Josstice League. He simply completed the CGI to his film & filmed the MM & Knightmare scenes.
Another fantastic episode Sean! Great work
"What is worse? The tyranny of one person 3000 miles away, or that of 3000 one mile away"? Coercive government is not the answer.
11:22
lol politics is represented as a dumpster fire
And Colectivism only as a form of riot 12:48
@@matiaslucas8933 Yeah, that one was pretty fucking hilariously bad. I mean, ffs, what is a corporation if not a collective of people getting together to decide what their bottom line should be?
@@voiceofreason467 no, it wasn't. like sean has said again and again, only individuals can make choices. corporations are a bunch of individuals getting together to do some stuff that they can't do alone. collectivism is as dumb and as bad as this video makes it look.
@@jonathacirilo5745 Dude.... collectivism is simply getting together, individually, to make decisions that will effect broad swaths of society, sometimes without direct knowledge due to the consent of the governed.
What the fuck man? This is basic politics 101.
@@voiceofreason467 no, it isn't. this channel has a good video on that. i recoomend that you watch it.
I loved the snyderverse. All three movies were awesome and I want to see the directors cut of suicide squad but ultimately I wish Snyder could have made JL2 and JL3
Rights aren't rights if someone can take them away. They're privileges. That's all we've ever had in this country, is a bill of temporary privileges.
#RestoreTheSnyderVerse #ReleaseTheAyerCut #ReleaseTheNumbers #BatFleckMovie #ManOfSteel2WithHenryCavill #CyborgMovieWithRayFisher #DeathstrokeHBOMax #GalGadotFan #JusticeForJohnnyDepp #ChrisTerrioFan ! :3
A truly beautiful video, Sir.
Batman v Superman wasn't about "Monsters". Yes, they fought a monster the end but that's not the whole plot of the story. Specially the Ultimate Edition.
Oh, sweet sir. Your words calm me, as the dumpster fire consumes my friends and they agree with it.
Hot take: Snyder’s Superman is the only version of Superman that is not a villain that I actually care about.
This is a very interesting take. What makes villainous versions of Superman and Snyder's that makes you care?
Zack Snyder: If you reboot my universe you destroy the Snyderverse.
Warner Bros Discovery: The Snyderverse had its chance.
Out of Frame may be the best thing in UA-cam right now! Congrats guys, you did it, REAL CONTENT, good principles, great discussions, awesome videos
Great video, blown away. Your prep is obvious. I wish I could give more than one like.
9:27 all of that scenes that "doesn't matter" matters if u want to connect this to a sequel, matters if your are a fan of DC and u understand what are they connected to, wich is the main reason fans are puking crazy with zack snyder's version
PD: #Restorethesnyderverse
The best part was it made each hero powerful. Barry literally saves the world when Superman couldn't, and Cyborg is a new God in the digital age.
Worst part was Martian Manhunter being thrown in at the end, that did feel like an afterthought.
Love your channel . I’ll be gladly checking out your podcast. The first episodes about starship troopers I love that movie
Loads of people critiquing ZS JL seem to be ignoring that it is an extented edition. It is not a theatrical release and it is not trying to be. This is a potential last hurrah so we get everything.
So yeah there's some self indulgent scenes that could be shorter. And yes you would get a better for theatrical release film by cutting this to 3:15-3:30.
But saying that is a bit like saying the extended editions of LotR would have been better if they were just the cinematic cut again in a fancy box. Yes the theatrical cuts are tighter movies better for a theatrical release. But doing that to the extended editions would defeat the entire point of them existing...
Beautiful video
*Mauler* went complete *Rip & Tear until it is Done* on this movie even the extended edition and it was Glorious and Magnificent!
Glad to see a fellow man of culture.
and it was glorious to see the snyder bots defend the film
The Toxic Brood strikes again!
The fact that people made such a fuss over it is laughable, seriously who cares?
Anything less, and you are a massive.
"Very neat, Alfred" indeed
I don't know if it was intentional, but fathers and father figures are really influential in snyder cut (which was the only one I watched).
Pretty cool.
And if I was Jordan Peterson I'd probably say Darkseid is the tyrannical father.
hi sir i watched the whole video and I cant help but agree with you more and as I watched this video, I literally cried a lot seeing that there is so much to learn on this film that we the fans were fighting for. I'm also an individualist but a little bit collectivist. man I'm gonna share this video to my friends. ireally appreciate you sir so much more that you literally breakdown one of the great lessons we need to learn as individuals right now.
My first time here. This is a great content, which is rare here on UA-cam today.
Excellent job once again!
I feel special being here so very early.
Love the videos! thanks
Thanks for this video essay on the Snyder Cut and the importance of the individual.
Great analysis, your videos never fail to inspire me.
FEE loves Marvel movies more than Marvel 😂
I remember how hated Snyder was when he released Batman vs Superman. Now he is receiving so much fan support, and I couldn't be happier.
Im soooo gladdd
Snyder had some redemption with ultimate edition of BvS, but many people skipped and hopped onto the narrative that Snyder makes bad comic book movies. His filmography including 300, Man of Steel, and Watchmen tell a different story.
Im not a DC fan, but I really hope they take the right steps and actually make some more good movies. I would love the MCU to have a competitor
They don't need to compete with the MCU.
DC need to stick with their own.
That's why the animated stuff are soo good and the games as well
17:56 Wait, healthcare, education is not a right? From the perspective of a Vietnamese - a welfare state, this sounds strange to me. In our country K12 education and the basics of health care are generally free, and we like it very much. Any thoughts on this?
There's a funny little trend I'm detecting with Zac Snyder:
If he's a fan of something, holds back on excessive slow-mo and isn't rushed, he's usually pretty good. 300, Watchmen, this, Aquaman, Man of Steel (for the most part); he's usually good as long as those three criteria are met.
i will say one thing MCU is rotting people's brain
You say that ZSJL is sometimes confused about the difference between being powerful and doing good, but you never discuss how the movie (or trilogy) establishes what good is. Most notably, you don’t address Victor’s arc (that is paralleled by Barry’s) in which he accepts “I’m not broken.” This relationship between the self and individualism is essential, and in ALL of Zack Snyder’s movies. Perhaps you’d say this point is outside the scope of your video because you focused mainly on individualism. However, you brought up the point about good actions at the end, so I believe it should have been included.
I felt the point about what was good was clear. Good is actions which respect individual rights for all.
i really enjoyed your video, it was very thought provoking.
i don't think that warner brothers deserves credit for the remake of this film. it was only after at&t bought warner brothers and forced them, kicking and screaming, to allow snyder to remake it so at&t would have more content for their streaming service that this version happened. the fact that warner brothers has already unequivocally stated there will be no more films in this version of the dceu just underscores how resistant to the original idea for the film they were.
The only reason I Loved Zack Snyder's Man of Steel, Batman v Superman ultimate edition and Justice League is PHILOSOPHICAL DEPTH of superhero characters. I like you are on same page too. Philosophy make superHero different from superBad guys, not superpowers. Zack Snyder's superhero are not Abnormally Righteous like other superhero movies we see. They questions reality, they falls morally and rise again. They are more Realistic Human. I really Love to see more Philosophical base Superhero movies in future. Zack also once said, "This is our morden mythology to understand the world in some way...". In the age of Comedy Superhero Circus movies it's rare to find the movie which actually inspires. Mos and Bvs have Inspired me. individualism is always victims of collectivism, this movie series have Philosophical Depth and still got cancelled because it's against collective mentality, general entertainment. Nice video, I m looking forward to watch your channel in future.
I love your commentary of the Justice League Snyder cut your choice of words is extraordinary meaningful and thoughtful appreciate your thoughts thank you Mark McClintock
I love that Flash was actually used in the climax of this film.
Technically Peter didnt beat up Flash because he knew he could, he defended himself from being beat up
Are you guys working on a video about the GRC from Falcon and Winter Soldier?
I actually will be working on a video about Falcon & Winter Soldier soon.
Right to life unless a pregnant woman decides she doesn't want the responsibility.
Omg your storytelling is so perfect! I watched all of your videos until now. I'm a writer for the brazilian channel "Visao Libertaria". We are translating some of our articles!
Warner did not respond to demand from the fans. If it was up to them they never would have done it, but their corporate owners at AT&T forced them to do it as a way to promote their recently acquired purchase, HBO Max. The Snyder Cut was meant to be The Mandalorian for HBO Max.
Absolutely fantastic video! And spot on review of the movie. I assume you have an opinion about Cyborg's bank dealings. Another thought - Batman perhaps didn't try to force Aquaman because he knew he couldn't, whereas if he knew he could have then he might have. That's an example of why it's so important to uphold gun ownership rights, so that individuals retain the power to remain uncoerced.
I do... but the bank thing is a little complicated.
If he was taking money from "the bank" or from someone else's account, then it's just pure theft, which should be easy to see is wrong. But I think he may have created the money out of nothing, in which case he's basically just creating inflation... But the glib answer is: That's what the Federal Reserve does all the time, and usually the benefits of all the new money they create go disproportionately to the bankers, so I guess if you're going to inflate the currency, it's nice to know the new money went to someone in need.
Either way, it's short-term thinking.
@@FEEonline That is an assumption, for all we know, he got the money from his own account. His dad is after all a very successful scientist who has a top level position at star labs, an with that, he probably also gets top level money.
Cyborg is also the most advanced walking supercomputer in the world, there are lots of ways he could make legitimate money online with his ability.
@@emperorpicard6474 that's true.
@@emperorpicard6474 He _could_ be making legitimate money online, but there's no evidence of that in the movie. From the way he _expanded_ the money pile (rather than transferring money from a different pile), the viewer's immediate impression is that he was creating money out of nothing. A less compelling interpretation is that, since he presented it as a random award from the bank, he was taking money from the bank.
I appreciate that, like Superman, Cyborg has the power to make the world much better or much worse in an incredibly short time, and he restrains himself to avoid creating big problems. Also like Superman, he is firmly separated from the rest of humanity despite having been raised among them, and it's important for a hero like that to do small heroic acts to stay connected to humankind and show that he doesn't consider anyone too insignificant to help.
But the moral lesson being imparted to almost all viewers is that if you could just create a pile of currency (twice the median American worker's yearly income) and give it to a down-on-their-luck family in a major American city, you'd be doing a good deed. And this scene is specifically telling us about the priorities that define Cyborg. So I'm quite comfortable judging the scene on its own terms, and discussing how it's actually a little problematic because both straightforward interpretations of the scene involve stealing value from people who weren't guilty of any crime against that family. The problem would become more obvious if he tried scaling up that kind of "heroism" to everyone who was down on their luck, which brings us back to the individualist conception of rights discussed in this video.
If anyone was interested, I'd also enjoy chatting about how Cyborg _could_ be helping vast numbers of people, including billions who are worse off than this one family, without stealing from anyone, and the challenge of showing that on screen in an efficient and entertaining way.
BVS wasn't even close to being disjointed mess. You kidding me? You even put in the "Martha" scene?! I am surprised that you didn't understand it.
Yeah. It was.
www.seanwmalone.com/reviews/2020/9/23/despite-some-cool-moments-batman-v-superman-a-disjointed-mess
@@FEEonline I read it. Nothing new that wasn't discussed. Zack's weakness was strong storytelling and he managed to get better at it. Results are seen in his Justice League (2021). One issues is 2 writers working apart. Between writers' names we see "and" instead of &. For this reason transition Batman vs Superman fight to Doomsday fight is weird. In that moment most viewers disconnect emotionally. WB managed to ruin Snyder's work. They have no patience or understanding how important character development is. Snyder needed more time and solo Batman movie after that not Justice League.
@@levi_exiled8579 I agree there needed to be another movie *at least* prior to JL.
In fact, I wrote a mostly *positive* review of MoS, but with the large caveat that I thought his treatment of Superman was ok as set up (ie. Clark finding himself and "becoming" Superman) but not nearly enough for anyone to see him as a "beacon of hope for the whole world".
All he did was smash a couple cities to pieces. Not very hopeful and a good way to make everyone terrified of you.
But I think with MoS 2 that might have been resolved. And with a Batman movie that (for instance) featured the death of Jason Todd or something else that would show Batman's loss of faith in his own principles, it would have made sense why Batman was the Frank Miller version.
But that's not what we got.
@@FEEonline That would be phenomenal.
The Snyder cut demonstrates the importance of character development.
Do you have transcripts of your videos? If sho I would like a link to them. If not, you should you have good words.
I think Mauler's Justice League cut rips this film to shreds and rightly so...
Woohoo! An actual review in addition to the libertarian/philosophical analysis.
My main dislikes were the contradictions w/ Atlantis. Negated a lot of things that occurred in Aquaman.
No dude.. Aquaman the film comes after this justice league film. Lol you need to check your timeline. It is after this film, Aquaman goes to his home town and rescues his mother and united the seven kingdoms.
@@jobsmine you act like they couldn't have taken out the dolphin speak in the snyder cut, or the contradiction about them not being able to breathe air. Those are the contradictions. as well as Mera's accent.
@@elementalscreator10 Yes in the comics atlantians can speak to the fish with their language. That how they understood each other. It’s not because they just read their minds by magic. Fishes/Dolphins communicate by propagating slwave sounds in the sea not by reading every kind in front of them. Also the director of Aquaman didn’t show but he explained to you in his interview.
@@jobsmine the fucking interview or the comics doesnt matter though. the movie is what matters, and that is an inconsistency. if it were worth keeping, it would've been in the aquaman film. you also act like snyder couldnt take the other movies into consideration and add elements to make those consistent. he easily couldve had a scene of ww flying, or the atlanteans suffocating on the surface.
you seemed to have glossed over the breathing problem. so keep dodging I guess
Great work.
Finally I made it early, I always love your videos
Not sure if it was really good, or just much better than the theatrical release, but it's funny how there were no complaints about the darkness of tone, theme, and color because the focus is on the story this time.
It’s not the first time, not by a long shot. This kind of thing was happening as far back as when Conan Doyle was writing Sherlock Holmes. But it is that trend on a level and speed I don’t think it’s been before.
@6:28 So that's how you pronounce deus ex machina... Always wondered about that. Thank you!
Unilateral leadership can have flaws as multilateral leadership but the opposite can also be true depending on the leadership model.
Discuss some of the philosophical flaws however because I did not see such.
The 2017 JL wasn't the original ..This version is. It was fully shot and roughly arranged except for some effects.
Countries are made of cities. Cities are made of communities. Communities are made of families. Families are made of individuals. If we want to make changes to the country we must start at the individual and work our way up
0:05 WOAH A VISION GT
FFE IS A TRUE PATRIOT
"Politics"
Shows dumpster fire
Awesome!
20:39 Bzzzt, wrong! I in fact *do* what is best for millions of other people: freedom. And if I had all the power in the world, I would devise a method to distribute that power to everyone in such a way that it could not be taken back. I'm brilliant (or so people tell me) and I could figure out a way to do it.
Of course, nobody with power would lend me even an iota, because they knew they would never get it back.
The Snydercut is the best movie of 2021, and it is a shame that we didn't get a "theatrical" version of THIS movie (not the ruined Whedon cut) back in 2017. I see this movie as an "Extended Edition" of sorts like LotR, where not everything is "necessary," but everything builds the world and culture surrounding the story. Sure, I'd probably cut most of the nordic singing from the scene with Ben Affleck, and maybe not have as much slow motion, but there isn't anything in this movie that offends me or gives me pause.
I love this movie, and I really hope that WBD continues this story to give it the conclusion that it deserves.
I happened on to the video by accident but I fucking applaud your explanation of individualism!
I just watched "the courier" with Benedict Cumberbatch. I think you'd like it.
If you have all the power in the world no you do not become corrupt, because you define what is evil and good. Power corrupts is about not having power; its about having influence, wanting more and maintaining what you have by any means possible.
Endgame. Infinity War. Meh.
Zack Synder Justice League is epic scale. DCEU finally a contender against MCU.
@Radical Larry Endgame and Infinity War was the MCU. You didn't even seen ZSJL. Steppenwolf inpalement and beheading death was even better than Thanos turning into dust. MCU Disney+ is aboit sidekicks and third rate superheroes. Boring and Lame.
I refer you to EFAP's episode about the Snyder Cut
They the ones that do 5 hour reviews of a 22 minute TV show?
@@manofmartin yup, them
@@manofmartin AKA "The Long Men"
@@manofmartin it takes 22 minutes to make a mess but a lot longer to clean it up
@@juniourbonav7505 not really. only if you want to grand stand and virtue signal in a pretentious rambling. generally, if your organize your thoughts you can denounce something in about the same amount of time as the original product.
Here I thought I was just going to watch something generic, and boy how wrong I was. It’s crazy how much this applies to our current situation in the world today. I wish more people thought like this.
Why wasn't this in my subscription?
I have watched every single video of out of frame, why doesn't youtube know I likr out of frame?