Everything is an opinion right, but this is a type of content I really like, unit and mechanics breakdowns for these new games, getting it in before all the wikis get spun up, and just an individual thought process on how to approach games, in this case how you approach RTS
Love this type of stuff. It's always so hard to really get a feel for what is even happening when you're just watching casts with no context from people who barely understand the game themselves. For those of us who can't play the game right now this is probably the next best thing we're going to get to be able to at least understand what we're looking at when seeing other people play or cast games.
I've watched a lot of gameplay from different streamers of this but honestly, it's very much to take in. This video helps a lot though, to get a better grip on how the game works and what everything is. I do worry that there are too many things implemented and when things are figured out, a big part of all those things will be obsolete and unused. I am well aware that this is alpha gameplay so only time will tell how it goes. Thanks for the vid!
I had the same thought about the quantity of features. It contrasts with Stormgate where each mechanic seems to be very carefully chosen. But on the other hand, even if the meta eventually disregards many features, maybe those features will manage to find niche uses and shake up the game in different cheeses and surprise attacks. They could also "rotate" certain mechanics in and out by nerfing and buffing their significance. Kind of like how mobas approach balance and design with their breadth of heroes.
I heard from PiG's stream that Legion is getting some more units because their current roster is still unfinished and pretty limited. I think they're getting a fast mount which can be mounted by a thrall like the night elves in Warcraft 3 and something else I can't remember.
@@Bagginsess Who cares if it looks like that. I am sure you've dropped a lot of games (or didn't try them) with cool features because they didn't pass the vibe check
@@фанатКуплинова-ь1е what's more important to a game, the gameplay or aesthetic? For me it's gameplay but I also think Stormgate looks good and looks better than zero space. They will also polish it up.
@@Bagginsess Both are important as you can see. Why would I want to play a low quality game in general? Visuals are the first thing you can ever judge in a game. I would argue it's more important .
I want to play Legion just for the Terror tank. So cool... But dude, the Grell man. Their readability in-game must be rough. Visually, they're all just close variations of, "I am a bug with multiple legs, that hunches over, and has my back pointed to the sky." Imagine 100 of these guys... Telling those units apart in the middle of a fight must be a nightmare.
I am so happy to be seeing Artosis and Tasteless on a more consistent basis. I've met them both, and I've followed them since as early as I can remember in the SC world.
I've been waiting for something like this, thanks! Yes it may feel like a lot, but one could make that argument for many RTS games. Even StarCraft was a lot to some that I introduced it to. If someone is truly interested, they will learn and be happy to do so. My next step now is to try to find information about the units specifically like stats, costs, and dynamics.
Very nice and informative video. I would like to see a deep dive on the specific factions showcasing the units with the respective stregths and weaknesses. Please and thank you.
He could have used some webcam footage during the tech tree explanation. Integration of footage + material rather than just material + voice. Not a huge deal but I'd imagine thats how the pros would do it
At first I thought the Legion looked a bit too similar to Protectorate, but it's really cool how different they actually are, mechanically. I wasn't entirely sold on the unit design of the game until the fucking Terror Tank with turrets on top. That's hype.
Great guide Arty! I think it’s really good that you are helping to provide engagement for these games with the SC2 community. I would love to see you do a Beyond All Reason video next please!!
I get that Legion is WIP and all that stuff, but oh boy, that tech tree cracked me up. I lowkey want it to stay that way, terror tanks being able to upgrade into every single battlefield role (like scout or flyer) would be hilarious
The best RTS games are a shining example of complexity via simplicity. This game is like one of those board games in which that one guy has to take 30 minutes just to explain how all of the little levelling xp and energy, talent builds... and how all of the other 20 mini systems work in the game. I just don't think I can do it.
Is what's th consensus? Zero Space or Stormgate? Personally I'm not loving Stormgate just yet, it just looks a bit too much like Sc2 to me which is pretty ewwww
Do any of you feel like the unit names were thought up by someone whose first language isn't English? Incubator, Medium Incubator, Large Incubator? Medium after normal one? Terror tank? Thrall and armored thrall? Some heroes have names, some have job titles. Bastion, for a moving unit? Gunship ;P. Some of the upgrades have odd names too...
Very cool factions! As a Protoss player, not sure how much I like the concept of the Legion. Neat weapons upgrades for the buildings and tank, but its unfortunate that they don't have more units.
There was a dev stream recently (I think you can check it out on the ZeroSpace youtube channel), where they have already shown 2 additional Legion units, so I wouldn't worry about that 🙂
after 8:45 minutes into the video some information on how to build marines or foot soldiers... how viable is to play the game but just ignore all the hero, mercenary, talents stuff?
This is really the only content i want to watch on games that im unable to play yet. Seeing matches played with no knowledge of the game is a huge L imo
I mean it's interesting but yea u need unit and ability break downs etc. Not just stuff on a screen. Partly why ppl complain about stormgate matches cos they don't know what looking at
i hope they can somehow support a modding scene, or even just proper custom maps and a server list. these new ones seem quite focused on 1v1 100% vanil online play, which is, imo, not very important at all for an RTS, even if you want the sc2 audience. perhaps it's just the easiest thing to show tho, and this one or stormgate or a different one will be robust enough to have actual fans. the (to be a bit mean) boring factions and units kinda makes me think that there hasn't been too much thought into making cool stuff. but then maybe it's just the early gfx and plant monsters, or devils in stormgate, and..various robotty terran guys, will really stand out in the end.
nice game but alot of potential for polish, like +1 is better then +1.0, tighten up the ui, flashing out some stuff and for hell sake change teh graphic of the 2nd ressource xD but overall already looks amazing in alpha
The view angle is definitely better than the top down stormgate. But heroe units are a big turn off for me. I feel like the towers being a power scaling thing will make things tricky to balance around mobility/map control differences that could force it into quite samey factions. It seems way too LoL for me like with the xp and skill trees.
Haven't played the game yet, and I understand this is a very early (but already playable, so there is that) version of it, and I also understand that Artosis and pro-players don't really care about how the game looks that much, but I feel like most non-Grandmaster tier players do, at least to some degree. And my gripe with the industry as a whole is that every goddamn RTS, that aspires to be seriously competitive, looks the same. And on top of that, it looks silly. It's cartoony and units often look like kids' toys. At least from WoL onward, it's progressively getting more and more goofy, almost cutesy looking. Here the (not)Zerg are all about flowers and mother nature! And not even in a Venus fly trap, deep jungle vines sort of plant theme, but str8 up pleasant meadows and whatnot. . I don't think the kids like this. I think they consume it (Fortnite and whatnot) because that's what's given to them - because it's easier to make look good on a technical level, and because it's easier to make readable for gameplay purposes. But it lacks style and edge. Plus it blends in with all the other samey looking art styles of the current year.
I am sure they test hell out of the style and design on test groups in those huge projects. It's just we are kids of 90s and have our own idea of coolness, which was largely influenced by Hollywood of 80s 90s 2000s that's just it
@@Omgtired Idk man. If you are big enough to set trends in design, it's not really worth much if you test weather or not ppl associate your designs with what is popular. And we are talking of milieus - mostly West coast US based ones - that are exactly in this position. I suspect market research of this sort, if it actually happens, just confirms this kind of self-fulfilling prophecy, more than giving any data about anything intrinsic about the consumer base. . Path of Exile, especially considering the laughably small marketing budget compared to Diablo titles, seems to suggest a cartoony version of neogothic hell might have been a dumb idea. Then again, PoE is (apparently) also better mechanically, so it's not that clear cut of an argument either. . Ultimately trying to chart and systematize esthetics like that has thus far always been a recipe for getting a useless systematized chart that fails at the only job it ever had. And no: AI art working and being good(TM) isn't a counter arg., 'cause we don't actually understand what the algorithm does, and the sheer amount of data it uses, and steps it takes, is so vast we'd never be able to properly look into it and make sense of it all. Even if we took a million years to do it. But some truisms can be generally identified, and one of them is that art by committee sucks every time. If it makes money despite being bad, it's probably strictly because the marketing was good enough (or that it was attached to an otherwise good product - after all Artosis is vehement about not caring about this at all, and just caring about mechanics.
I want to give this video a like, but it's sitting at 69 likes right now, so I'm very conflicted. **EDIT** Someone else hit the like button, so there goes that.
A few things were too close to SC2. The Specialized Research Lab. Looks too much like a Ghost Academy. going from barracks to factory was also a little close to SC2. even tho blizzard doesn't own these nebulous concepts... is still too close to SC2. Also. Names would probably use a little work. Just calling a lab or Advanced factory... or Specialized Research Lab, isn't catchy and only works as delivery method for the nuerodivergent. The Typicals, need Catchy unique names. that also serve as a way of stamping Zero Spaces identity. Call it a Dragon Lab. something catchy
Artosis: league of legends so ez rts so hard. Well i can name about 20 sc and sc2 players who switched to league and i cant name a single one who amounted to anything even remotely successful 🤷♂️
This game will be impossible to balance properly. So many options but my 2 cents are that people will figure out which is the optimal play and the other options will fade.
While top games will certainly boil down to the best mercanaries for your faction; I do we think we will see some different mercenaries in different match-ups and not the same combo all the time. It might actually make balancing on top level easier, as if mercenary X is used solely for faction A against B but not against faction C; you could buff mercenary X to improve the match-up against faction B without the buff affecting the match-up against C as top players use mercenaries Y against them. Kinda how buffs to BW bio would change the match-up against Zerg a lot, but hardly change anything against Protoss; or a Carrier buff would change PvT but not really PvZ.
That doesn't make any sense, why would you attach yourself to a dying game and community? Legion TD started out as a SC2 Arcade game, but they eventually made their own standalone game on Steam. The same thing happened with Dota starting out as a community map in WC3 but eventually becoming its own thing. Stormgate decided to make their own engine instead of making a map on the SC2 Arcade.
This game sounds too overthinked. Too many different stuff that don't fit together perfectly. The design of the units and structures is also too similiar. Hard to recognize which unit is what. This game will find its fanbase, but it will never be one of the most famous e-sports or multiplayer rts. For me its a good decision to focus on Stormgate and Age of Empires 4.
Ngl, Im Super dissapointed in the direction both ZeroSpace, and Stormgate have taken, basically cloning SC2. RTS needs somthing fresh, not SC2 with the game bloody graphics again. All these games are 3 race, one zerg type, (with creep) one terran type (with marines and siege) and one protoss type (expensive hard hitting units). Like fuck right off, with that shit. get some original ideas. The last interesting RTS game to come out was like offworld trading in 2016, every single other RTS is either AOE or SC2, and im done with the genre.
Broodwar my fav to watch but 1v1 isn't appealing to me to play anymore or the general audience now.Need more co op or casual stuff to keep ppl interesting and not to much esports and less ridiculous apm like in starcraft
Basically doing SC2? What are you talking about? Based on the talent tree and the hero concept alone ZeroSpace looks quite different. And yeah, there are a lot of similarities in terms of race aesthetic to StarCraft, but can you really blame them when SC is a gold standard for RTS?
This game is so much closer to Supreme Commander/CnC than SC2 are you high? I swear you brood war doomers are hell bent on trying to hate anything new that comes to the RTS genre, while we desperately need new blood to actually stop it from going extinct.
Artososuuuuuuu, these games are not good re file... Brood war is better, they just need to fix some new good maps and fix the fakin ladder because it is a total mess with all smurfs
Everything is an opinion right, but this is a type of content I really like, unit and mechanics breakdowns for these new games, getting it in before all the wikis get spun up, and just an individual thought process on how to approach games, in this case how you approach RTS
5:05 Artosis explains how to quit the game, an important skill which he is sure to use often. 😛
GG
The fabled ‘how to getout’ tutorial.
Love this type of stuff. It's always so hard to really get a feel for what is even happening when you're just watching casts with no context from people who barely understand the game themselves. For those of us who can't play the game right now this is probably the next best thing we're going to get to be able to at least understand what we're looking at when seeing other people play or cast games.
I've watched a lot of gameplay from different streamers of this but honestly, it's very much to take in. This video helps a lot though, to get a better grip on how the game works and what everything is. I do worry that there are too many things implemented and when things are figured out, a big part of all those things will be obsolete and unused. I am well aware that this is alpha gameplay so only time will tell how it goes.
Thanks for the vid!
I had the same thought about the quantity of features. It contrasts with Stormgate where each mechanic seems to be very carefully chosen. But on the other hand, even if the meta eventually disregards many features, maybe those features will manage to find niche uses and shake up the game in different cheeses and surprise attacks. They could also "rotate" certain mechanics in and out by nerfing and buffing their significance. Kind of like how mobas approach balance and design with their breadth of heroes.
I heard from PiG's stream that Legion is getting some more units because their current roster is still unfinished and pretty limited. I think they're getting a fast mount which can be mounted by a thrall like the night elves in Warcraft 3 and something else I can't remember.
the art style of this looks so much better than Stormgate ...
Yeah Stormgate isn't even close in tearm of art style.
@@alexandrel4569 for me the cartoony look ruins it ...
Hard disagree. I don't even understand how you can say that. This looks like it was made out of store assets in unreal lol
I think Stormgate has some homework to do. This looks fresh. Fun.
Zero space does seem better then stormgate tbh
Does zero space have roll back delay netcode or can have 1000s of units on screen? Why not just let both games be cool?
@@Bagginsess Who cares if it looks like that. I am sure you've dropped a lot of games (or didn't try them) with cool features because they didn't pass the vibe check
@@фанатКуплинова-ь1е what's more important to a game, the gameplay or aesthetic? For me it's gameplay but I also think Stormgate looks good and looks better than zero space. They will also polish it up.
@@Bagginsess Both are important as you can see. Why would I want to play a low quality game in general? Visuals are the first thing you can ever judge in a game. I would argue it's more important .
I want to play Legion just for the Terror tank. So cool...
But dude, the Grell man. Their readability in-game must be rough. Visually, they're all just close variations of, "I am a bug with multiple legs, that hunches over, and has my back pointed to the sky."
Imagine 100 of these guys... Telling those units apart in the middle of a fight must be a nightmare.
I am so happy to be seeing Artosis and Tasteless on a more consistent basis. I've met them both, and I've followed them since as early as I can remember in the SC world.
"The protectorate is like Terran"
No, it's like GDI lmao
I've been waiting for something like this, thanks!
Yes it may feel like a lot, but one could make that argument for many RTS games. Even StarCraft was a lot to some that I introduced it to. If someone is truly interested, they will learn and be happy to do so.
My next step now is to try to find information about the units specifically like stats, costs, and dynamics.
Some very interesting ideas and concepts. Look a lot more interesting to me than the other RTS...
I like how complex it seems. A next-generation RTS that doesn't dumb down gameplay is exactly what's needed. I have high hopes.
The economy system seem to be down a lot
Thank you so much ! Great utility video and discord !
Very nice and informative video.
I would like to see a deep dive on the specific factions showcasing the units with the respective stregths and weaknesses.
Please and thank you.
I absolutely adore the little packet you make yourself. Honestly means you give way more care about what you play/commentate than a lot of others.
He could have used some webcam footage during the tech tree explanation. Integration of footage + material rather than just material + voice. Not a huge deal but I'd imagine thats how the pros would do it
this one looks much better than stormgate, even at this early alfa. eyes are not burning from goofiness.
There's so many new RTS games coming out, I love all the overviews and support for new contenders
This looks way more thought out and original than storm gate .
That terror tank is like a mini MARV from CnC3
to be honest even with this breakdown the mechanics and decisions is pretty overwhelming to me; Would like to see them reduce it down a bit.
At first I thought the Legion looked a bit too similar to Protectorate, but it's really cool how different they actually are, mechanically. I wasn't entirely sold on the unit design of the game until the fucking Terror Tank with turrets on top. That's hype.
Great guide Arty! I think it’s really good that you are helping to provide engagement for these games with the SC2 community. I would love to see you do a Beyond All Reason video next please!!
I get that Legion is WIP and all that stuff, but oh boy, that tech tree cracked me up. I lowkey want it to stay that way, terror tanks being able to upgrade into every single battlefield role (like scout or flyer) would be hilarious
ZeroSpace, not Zero Space
Come on it's literally in the name
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Stormgate has more hype behind it, but I think Zerospace is more suit able to become the next big RTS Esport.
The best RTS games are a shining example of complexity via simplicity. This game is like one of those board games in which that one guy has to take 30 minutes just to explain how all of the little levelling xp and energy, talent builds... and how all of the other 20 mini systems work in the game. I just don't think I can do it.
That's fine. There's a market for such games for a reason.
Looks interesting
Is what's th consensus? Zero Space or Stormgate?
Personally I'm not loving Stormgate just yet, it just looks a bit too much like Sc2 to me which is pretty ewwww
I'm personally FAR more excited for ZeroSpace. They're actually innovating and improving upon the RTS genre, instead of just making a copy of SC2.
Not really feeling for any of them, I'm more looking forward to Sanctury: Shattered Sun. (totally different kind of RTS)
If it were more like SC2 it would be successful
Zero space looks better so far.
Both look like they will be good games.
Alright!! Now we're talking! Was worried you were married to stormgate for a while there... This game looks way way better
Would be great if u can do a Zero Space vs Storm Gate comparison
I love how they talk about accessibility but then everything is so complex it’s actually harder to get into than sc1
yea this shit is way too complicated and it's definitely gonna fail
Not SC1 = it’s gonna fail guys!!
Shut up nerd.
I keep forgetting most people are mentally challenged and that IQ 100 as the average is actually low to take new ideas in at a glance.
Do any of you feel like the unit names were thought up by someone whose first language isn't English? Incubator, Medium Incubator, Large Incubator? Medium after normal one? Terror tank? Thrall and armored thrall? Some heroes have names, some have job titles. Bastion, for a moving unit? Gunship ;P. Some of the upgrades have odd names too...
It’s in alpha mate, it’s all place holders and WIP
Artosis sensei strikes again 😀
Thank you!
Very interesting design!
GOATosis
Knowing how to QQ is the most important thing in a RTS game.
After watching this, I might have to play it lol.
Very cool factions! As a Protoss player, not sure how much I like the concept of the Legion. Neat weapons upgrades for the buildings and tank, but its unfortunate that they don't have more units.
I'm sure they will add more, it seems the Legion is the least finished of all 3.
There was a dev stream recently (I think you can check it out on the ZeroSpace youtube channel), where they have already shown 2 additional Legion units, so I wouldn't worry about that 🙂
Artois won one game on stream and now hes telling us how to play 💀💀 just kidding buddy love your stuff
after 8:45 minutes into the video some information on how to build marines or foot soldiers...
how viable is to play the game but just ignore all the hero, mercenary, talents stuff?
If you kill the tech building can you then choose another upgrade? Because that's going to be a cheese.
these maps look like you could make an exact copy of them in the sc2 map editor.
When is the access to the public already???
This looks exactly like ashes of the singularity
stormgate looking cool
I always knew that plants were evil.
This is really the only content i want to watch on games that im unable to play yet. Seeing matches played with no knowledge of the game is a huge L imo
I mean it's interesting but yea u need unit and ability break downs etc. Not just stuff on a screen. Partly why ppl complain about stormgate matches cos they don't know what looking at
I think the better comparison for legion would be Tycus with some trash units and a big tank
This is sooo cool!!
Does this mark a beggining of a new era? 😉
"If anyone likes these graphics." X'D
This looks like fun
i hope they can somehow support a modding scene, or even just proper custom maps and a server list. these new ones seem quite focused on 1v1 100% vanil online play, which is, imo, not very important at all for an RTS, even if you want the sc2 audience. perhaps it's just the easiest thing to show tho, and this one or stormgate or a different one will be robust enough to have actual fans. the (to be a bit mean) boring factions and units kinda makes me think that there hasn't been too much thought into making cool stuff. but then maybe it's just the early gfx and plant monsters, or devils in stormgate, and..various robotty terran guys, will really stand out in the end.
Lobby is kind of Dota 2ish, with the choosing and banning aspects. Looks pretty cool so far.
nice game but alot of potential for polish, like +1 is better then +1.0, tighten up the ui, flashing out some stuff and for hell sake change teh graphic of the 2nd ressource xD but overall already looks amazing in alpha
let's go
Any way into the alpha? Only wishlist?
So.
many.
upgrades.
Step 1 Wait for open beta.
Because I'd dive right in if I actually could.
Would vote Artosis for TeacherOTY
The view angle is definitely better than the top down stormgate. But heroe units are a big turn off for me.
I feel like the towers being a power scaling thing will make things tricky to balance around mobility/map control differences that could force it into quite samey factions.
It seems way too LoL for me like with the xp and skill trees.
How is it like League at all? It’s literally CnC x Supreme Commander with hero units that are barely stronger than normal units.
Haven't played the game yet, and I understand this is a very early (but already playable, so there is that) version of it, and I also understand that Artosis and pro-players don't really care about how the game looks that much, but I feel like most non-Grandmaster tier players do, at least to some degree. And my gripe with the industry as a whole is that every goddamn RTS, that aspires to be seriously competitive, looks the same. And on top of that, it looks silly. It's cartoony and units often look like kids' toys. At least from WoL onward, it's progressively getting more and more goofy, almost cutesy looking. Here the (not)Zerg are all about flowers and mother nature! And not even in a Venus fly trap, deep jungle vines sort of plant theme, but str8 up pleasant meadows and whatnot.
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I don't think the kids like this. I think they consume it (Fortnite and whatnot) because that's what's given to them - because it's easier to make look good on a technical level, and because it's easier to make readable for gameplay purposes. But it lacks style and edge. Plus it blends in with all the other samey looking art styles of the current year.
I am sure they test hell out of the style and design on test groups in those huge projects. It's just we are kids of 90s and have our own idea of coolness, which was largely influenced by Hollywood of 80s 90s 2000s that's just it
@@Omgtired Idk man. If you are big enough to set trends in design, it's not really worth much if you test weather or not ppl associate your designs with what is popular. And we are talking of milieus - mostly West coast US based ones - that are exactly in this position. I suspect market research of this sort, if it actually happens, just confirms this kind of self-fulfilling prophecy, more than giving any data about anything intrinsic about the consumer base.
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Path of Exile, especially considering the laughably small marketing budget compared to Diablo titles, seems to suggest a cartoony version of neogothic hell might have been a dumb idea. Then again, PoE is (apparently) also better mechanically, so it's not that clear cut of an argument either.
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Ultimately trying to chart and systematize esthetics like that has thus far always been a recipe for getting a useless systematized chart that fails at the only job it ever had. And no: AI art working and being good(TM) isn't a counter arg., 'cause we don't actually understand what the algorithm does, and the sheer amount of data it uses, and steps it takes, is so vast we'd never be able to properly look into it and make sense of it all. Even if we took a million years to do it. But some truisms can be generally identified, and one of them is that art by committee sucks every time. If it makes money despite being bad, it's probably strictly because the marketing was good enough (or that it was attached to an otherwise good product - after all Artosis is vehement about not caring about this at all, and just caring about mechanics.
How can I join the alpha?
I want to give this video a like, but it's sitting at 69 likes right now, so I'm very conflicted. **EDIT** Someone else hit the like button, so there goes that.
A few things were too close to SC2. The Specialized Research Lab. Looks too much like a Ghost Academy. going from barracks to factory was also a little close to SC2. even tho blizzard doesn't own these nebulous concepts... is still too close to SC2.
Also. Names would probably use a little work. Just calling a lab or Advanced factory... or Specialized Research Lab, isn't catchy and only works as delivery method for the nuerodivergent. The Typicals, need Catchy unique names. that also serve as a way of stamping Zero Spaces identity. Call it a Dragon Lab. something catchy
Catchy and unique names like
Barracks
Factory
Marines
Tanks
That’s what really set SC apart was it’s unique names!
This looks so much better Than storm gate
so this is starcraft with guns?
Starcraft with guns is starcraft mate
all these upgrades look great for a single player campaign and terrible for competitive multiplayer
Idk what it is I just can't seem to get interested in this one.... Maybe after I get to play it though.
looks like a mobile game 😥
Every Grell unit looks the same. Bug with many legs and a big central body. Not good
Artosis knows the word ruhk😂
Do you think this game will last longer than Starbow?
Artosis: league of legends so ez rts so hard. Well i can name about 20 sc and sc2 players who switched to league and i cant name a single one who amounted to anything even remotely successful 🤷♂️
This game will be impossible to balance properly. So many options but my 2 cents are that people will figure out which is the optimal play and the other options will fade.
While top games will certainly boil down to the best mercanaries for your faction; I do we think we will see some different mercenaries in different match-ups and not the same combo all the time.
It might actually make balancing on top level easier, as if mercenary X is used solely for faction A against B but not against faction C; you could buff mercenary X to improve the match-up against faction B without the buff affecting the match-up against C as top players use mercenaries Y against them.
Kinda how buffs to BW bio would change the match-up against Zerg a lot, but hardly change anything against Protoss; or a Carrier buff would change PvT but not really PvZ.
maybe, but having just 3 factions with no variations in 2024 is too lazy and not fun at all
Finally another phone game
brood war is a phone game
Do you guys not have phones?
@@ThePandaBear1202 No, but I have a phone from my company. :)
But dawn of war is already a game
It's not pronounced Har-bing-er. It's Har-bin-jer.
Harbinger is a real word btw.
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. Noooooooooooooooooooo !
Zerospace seems like a much better game than Stormgate.
a lot of development time could have been saved if they just made it in the sc2 arcade lol
That doesn't make any sense, why would you attach yourself to a dying game and community? Legion TD started out as a SC2 Arcade game, but they eventually made their own standalone game on Steam. The same thing happened with Dota starting out as a community map in WC3 but eventually becoming its own thing. Stormgate decided to make their own engine instead of making a map on the SC2 Arcade.
@@SchemingGoldberg using examples of when people used mods/maps/arcades as a reason to argue why people shouldnt use the sc2 arcade is bold lmao
This game sounds too overthinked. Too many different stuff that don't fit together perfectly. The design of the units and structures is also too similiar. Hard to recognize which unit is what. This game will find its fanbase, but it will never be one of the most famous e-sports or multiplayer rts.
For me its a good decision to focus on Stormgate and Age of Empires 4.
What would hapen if we gave 2 millions to Sc2 instead of zerospace, cuz this is joke of a game
The Game looks really really boring
Ngl, Im Super dissapointed in the direction both ZeroSpace, and Stormgate have taken, basically cloning SC2.
RTS needs somthing fresh, not SC2 with the game bloody graphics again.
All these games are 3 race, one zerg type, (with creep) one terran type (with marines and siege) and one protoss type (expensive hard hitting units). Like fuck right off, with that shit. get some original ideas.
The last interesting RTS game to come out was like offworld trading in 2016, every single other RTS is either AOE or SC2, and im done with the genre.
Broodwar my fav to watch but 1v1 isn't appealing to me to play anymore or the general audience now.Need more co op or casual stuff to keep ppl interesting and not to much esports and less ridiculous apm like in starcraft
I am sure ZeroSpace is going to laucnh with 4 factions
Basically doing SC2? What are you talking about? Based on the talent tree and the hero concept alone ZeroSpace looks quite different. And yeah, there are a lot of similarities in terms of race aesthetic to StarCraft, but can you really blame them when SC is a gold standard for RTS?
This game is so much closer to Supreme Commander/CnC than SC2 are you high? I swear you brood war doomers are hell bent on trying to hate anything new that comes to the RTS genre, while we desperately need new blood to actually stop it from going extinct.
Artososuuuuuuu, these games are not good re file... Brood war is better, they just need to fix some new good maps and fix the fakin ladder because it is a total mess with all smurfs
The Big question: no exists Game better than sc brood war, really? 😆