I wonder if he remembers the 'old days' when they appeared at the Tottenham Royal, I do and they were just the BEST group, I saw them more than once and remember every occasion .... thank you for the memories :)
One of the most greatest bands.what an amazing awesome young life.with groups like these thankyou.for your beautiful music .... Linda Bellamy UK THANKYOU AGAIN. 2023 February
He's absolutely right. Young "experts" writing about you who know nothing about you or the times in question, who weren't even alive. The media would drive me insane just for that reason alone. Think about all the "experts" who write about world history and American history as well. Take whatever you read with a huge grain of salt. Never believe anyone absolutely - and "read widely." When something/someone sounds too amazing to be true, it definitely is. Be careful about the "heroes" and "anti-heroes" you choose too. Many writers, even so-called "historians," (especially conservative ones) don't give a damn about the truth. Instead, they go for a highly romanced/Disneyfied version of history. They're guilty of what "real" historians call "presentism" -- judging the past by what we know and feel today (while not having been there). Dave Clark is talking about exactly that.
I don't blame him, no one likes criticism. They sure did make some great music in their day. I knew Dave before he became famous. Glad all over that he became popular.
So, Betty, you're Glad All Over that he became popular? Well, Feel It Like That, as well, though I was in Bits And Pieces when I saw your comment Because, Everybody Knows Dave was told You Got What It Takes and when it came to getting Hit Records, his attitude was Catch Us If You Can to other Groups....:)
I think the DC5 were a very good band live. And I remember when they rivaled the Beatles. However, I would bet money they had help in the studio. There's one thing not in doubt: at a young age, Dave Clark was the most sophisticated businessman of the lot.
The DC5 were once voted the #1 live band in London around 1962-63. Help in the studio? For who? Mike Smith? He was a child prodigy who was entered into a musical college at the age of 13. Their lead guitarist? He came from a jazz group and jazz is far more sophisticated than R&R. He because a music professor for college after he left the group. The sax player? He could play 5 instruments. The "The DC5 didn't play their own instruments" probably came about because they stopped playing live on TV and lip-sync instead. Now, in the studio, it is true that Dave Clark rarely played drums on the recordings. Well known studio musician Bobby Graham did most of the drumming (from what I've read). It's been suggested that Dave used him because, as the producer, he prefered calling the shots from the booth. BTW - the Beatles also used Bobby Graham as well as other studio musicians.
Yes your right Dave in what you say I remember some of your time's you played live, and one was at the south grove youth club in Tottenham every week, and also later in the Tottenham Royal Dance Hall those were the days great time's
@Sue Cox I’m glad he did this interview to remind people the band cut their teeth on playing for live audiences. Studio work and TV shows may have demanded something else of them, but they knew their craft🎶
Along with The Beatles, The Dave Clark Five are historically regarded as forefront leaders during the music British Invasion of America. Both bands were second to none during the invasion.
@@IsleofskyeHe always had expressive, dark brows, one of his best features. One of the most attractive men in music back in the day, and I sure wouldn't kick him out of bed for eating crackers now either! 😘
@@pambh65 hmmmmm. Never married. Didn't have a girl friend. Hung around with Cliff Richard, Elton John, and Freddy Mercury (birds of a feather?). I doubt he would get in bed with you anyway.
Those guys were a perfect storm in 1964. The follow up ACT to the Beatles? Knocking Beatles out of no 1 spot on charts? Never be repeated again, be thankful
Problem is he hasn't given any real samples of their live performances, minus the Nineteen Days/Georgia clip in his documentary. All the other bands for the most part be it the Animals, Hermans Hermits, Beatles, Stones all have available live footage. DC does not. He could shut a lot of people up if he allowed a few clips from the height of their fame, 1964/65 to come out, and unedited unless he wanted to make the footage cleaner but leave the audio alone.
If anything, the Nineteen Days and Georgia On My Mind are indicative of their live shows. I saw them live couple of times, their records don't do justice to their live performances, the raw energy and power plus the leathery voice of Mike Smith and tha sax of Dennis Payton adds dimension to their style which in my case really introduced me to the British invasion 😀.
No Dave was a smart businessman. He saw the potential with all the money to be made. He learned to be an average drummer,assembled a group and paid them a percentage. He was smart enough to lease their catalog to the record company for five years after which ownership reverted to him. He had the vision to see the future of retaining ownership and he told the Beatles stones and others to do the same While Allen Klein and others ripped off groups Dave was making money. But he made way more well after the group disbanded. His business skills continued well after the dc5 as an executive with Amazon among others.And his net worth today is around 30 million so he is not in the league of the very top groups .
Dave set up the band, bought all the equipment, arranged gigs, contracts etc, without him they wouldn't have existed. You buy 10k worth of instruments today and set up a band, it's a big risk. He did all the booking, paid for accommodation, later flights and hotels when they became famous, paid for clothing and food and gave them the equivalent of 500 quid a week spending money each week. Clark also bought them new cars. Sure they'd have been better off on a percentage deal, but this was the deal they took. He was their manager, and group leader, they were his employee's. Brian epstein wanted the beatles on a weekly wage, because that's was standard practice of the day, they turned him down. Eventually Brian agreed on 25% and the band split 75% between the 4 of them, so brain the manager and not even in the band was making more money than any of them. He worked them like pit ponies in the early days, tours, TV and radio appearances up and down the country and Europe. And was getting 25% of ticket sales at all concerts, 25% of TV appearance fees etc. Yet is held in High regard, mostly because they liked him, because his managerial skills leave a lot to be desired, he lost them and himself a fortune by selling them short for a quick buck
@@adrinathegreat3095 Dave saw the money potential of the British invasion but was not really a good musician. He taught himself to play drums reasonably well. Everything you wrote was true and I learned a lot from your comments that I did not know. Dave leased the songs to the record companies for five years after which the rights reverted to him. He also told the Beatles and the stones to do the same but they didn't listen.His business acumen served him well as an executive with Amazon among other companies.
@@nicholasbrowning4558 Sorry but Dave did NOT pay them a percentage. The other 4 were considered employees of Dave's and were paid a salary. As for the 30 million.... 1) are you sure that wasn't pounds, not dollars? 2) He was way ahead of the times. He founded the group, played drums, sang backing vocals (and the lead in The Red Balloon), managed the group, and produced the records BEFORE they even had their first hit record.
@@bjbell52 Yes I meant salary. He did not pay them a percentage. He was one of the few musicians who had a business sense and refused to be ripped off by the record companies. Smart man..
He was an astute businessman with some talent. While the Beatles and every other British invasion group was being ripped off he leased the dc5 songs for five years and maintained ownership making him a rich man. I think he should have done more for the other members especially Mike Smith but then maybe he did. His business acumen served him well as he was an executive with other companies as well.
"Businessman and manager, yes. Bandmate, friend, decent human being - not a chance. Karma will take its pound of flesh." Dave Clark never wrote a song in his life, insisted on having his name listed on all the songs, insisted on not having the actual writer's (Ron Ryan) name on any of the songs, promised Ron fair compensation for this arrangement with a "handshake" deal and then cheated Ron out of EVERYTHING not giving Ron one cent or any credit for all the hit songs he wrote for "The Dave Clark Five". In addition Dave Clark hired drummer Bobby Graham for all the recording studio sessions to do HIS drumming parts as he didn’t want to be “bothered” with it. I have personally had correspondence with Ron Ryan and he validates everything and more that I’ve said my comment.
@@potterwalker4823 Allen Klein made more money for the Beatles in the first year than they made up to that date. He was a pioneer in forensic accounting and found a lot of money due them that a lesser financial brain would have even thought of. Yes he ripped them off but so did Epstein who was incompetent. Brian got 25% of all the revenue generated be it concert sales records ,merchandise leaving the four lads 75% to split. He made more than the Beatles!
An idea for you Dave - you hate being criticized? Most successful people use criticism to make themselves better. Also, if you don't want to be criticized then stop taking credit for other peoples' work! Can you say RON RYAN ???? The career you made for yourself is impressive BUT please credit the ones who help you achieve your goals. For one thing I doubt that your band would have ever been successful without Mike Smith.
The Dave Clark Five was one of the greatest bands of the 1960's. Dave Clark's unique style on the drums gave the band their own special sound. No other drummer could even come close to playing the drums like Dave Clark.
@@mysticgeneie4668 Dave Clark was the leader of the band and he is the one who always played the drums. Without Dave CAlrk it would not be the Dave Clark Five.
Seeing Dave Clark makes me GLAD ALL OVER!
I wonder if he remembers the 'old days' when they appeared at the Tottenham Royal, I do and they were just the BEST group, I saw them more than once and remember every occasion .... thank you for the memories :)
I wasn't born until March 15th 1965 I appreciate you and the group love your music don't care about what other people think or say.
One of the most greatest bands.what an amazing awesome young life.with groups like these thankyou.for your beautiful music .... Linda Bellamy UK THANKYOU AGAIN. 2023 February
Great music from my younger days, and always love hear DC 5 music..great times always.
Wow, Dave's appearance has changed tremendously!
Dave, I was born in 1948, next to Beatles and Stones, DCV was my biggest Hero for the time between 60. and 70. in 20 Century
I grew up during the 60's and always loved the DC5.
Will always love this man❣
He's absolutely right. Young "experts" writing about you who know nothing about you or the times in question, who weren't even alive. The media would drive me insane just for that reason alone. Think about all the "experts" who write about world history and American history as well. Take whatever you read with a huge grain of salt. Never believe anyone absolutely - and "read widely." When something/someone sounds too amazing to be true, it definitely is. Be careful about the "heroes" and "anti-heroes" you choose too. Many writers, even so-called "historians," (especially conservative ones) don't give a damn about the truth. Instead, they go for a highly romanced/Disneyfied version of history. They're guilty of what "real" historians call "presentism" -- judging the past by what we know and feel today (while not having been there). Dave Clark is talking about exactly that.
One of the best bands ever.. I yet collect the lp's etc.. wishing Dave would share the DC 5 movies on UA-cam.. they are classics
I don't blame him, no one likes criticism. They sure did make some great music in their day. I knew Dave before he became famous. Glad all over that he became popular.
So, Betty, you're Glad All Over that he became popular? Well, Feel It Like That, as well, though I was in Bits And Pieces when I saw your comment Because, Everybody Knows Dave was told You Got What It Takes and when it came to getting Hit Records, his attitude was Catch Us If You Can to other Groups....:)
How wonderful it must've been to have known this man way back before all this hit. He is one of my two most fave celebrities.
I saw the DC5 in 1967. They definitely played their own instruments and put on a great show.
Me too, I went to his 21st, great guys and a fabulous party it was...🎉
@Betty Harrington
Yes! Their music stands the test of time! Coming up to 60 year!
Leave the poor man alone and go live your own life
I always love the song ' Because ' from DC5 ...I think it's a great song! But he does have an outstanding eyebrows! 😊
His attitude ,certainly,raised my eyebrows..
I think the DC5 were a very good band live. And I remember when they rivaled the Beatles. However, I would bet money they had help in the studio. There's one thing not in doubt: at a young age, Dave Clark was the most sophisticated businessman of the lot.
The DC5 were once voted the #1 live band in London around 1962-63.
Help in the studio? For who? Mike Smith? He was a child prodigy who was entered into a musical college at the age of 13. Their lead guitarist? He came from a jazz group and jazz is far more sophisticated than R&R. He because a music professor for college after he left the group. The sax player? He could play 5 instruments.
The "The DC5 didn't play their own instruments" probably came about because they stopped playing live on TV and lip-sync instead.
Now, in the studio, it is true that Dave Clark rarely played drums on the recordings. Well known studio musician Bobby Graham did most of the drumming (from what I've read). It's been suggested that Dave used him because, as the producer, he prefered calling the shots from the booth.
BTW - the Beatles also used Bobby Graham as well as other studio musicians.
Yes your right Dave in what you say I remember some of your time's you played live, and one was at the south grove youth club in Tottenham every week, and also later in the Tottenham Royal Dance Hall those were the days great time's
@RegD
That must have been exciting to see them before they went “ pro”.
Thanks for sharing!
I respect the man. He has guts.
@Sue Cox
I’m glad he did this interview to remind people the band cut their teeth on playing for live audiences. Studio work and TV shows may have demanded something else of them, but they knew their craft🎶
@@fangirllinda Linda, Well said and excellent comment. This band were parallel to The Beatles in leading the British Music Invasion of America.
He looks like Ming the Merciless
What happened Dave!
Along with The Beatles, The Dave Clark Five are historically regarded as forefront leaders during the music British Invasion of America. Both bands were second to none during the invasion.
DC 5 was a fantastic band ! Dave , what about those eyebrows? I’m glad to hear and see your still around . Hope life is being good to you.
Those eyebrows will be around long after Dave and you and I will be Paul as they have acquired a life of their own,my friend...
@@IsleofskyeHe always had expressive, dark brows, one of his best features. One of the most attractive men in music back in the day, and I sure wouldn't kick him out of bed for eating crackers now either! 😘
@@pambh65 hmmmmm. Never married. Didn't have a girl friend. Hung around with Cliff Richard, Elton John, and Freddy Mercury (birds of a feather?). I doubt he would get in bed with you anyway.
Those guys were a perfect storm in 1964. The follow up ACT to the Beatles? Knocking Beatles out of no 1 spot on charts? Never be repeated again, be thankful
Problem is he hasn't given any real samples of their live performances, minus the Nineteen Days/Georgia clip in his documentary. All the other bands for the most part be it the Animals, Hermans Hermits, Beatles, Stones all have available live footage. DC does not. He could shut a lot of people up if he allowed a few clips from the height of their fame, 1964/65 to come out, and unedited unless he wanted to make the footage cleaner but leave the audio alone.
They won a live band contest in England before they became popular and the British invasion.
@user-sk5lm5zn5r yes I'd read that in the past...but sure would be nice to see and hear.
If anything, the Nineteen Days and Georgia On My Mind are indicative of their live shows. I saw them live couple of times, their records don't do justice to their live performances, the raw energy and power plus the leathery voice of Mike Smith and tha sax of Dennis Payton adds dimension to their style which in my case really introduced me to the British invasion 😀.
@@user-sk5lm5zn5r The best live band in London around 1962-63.
mike smith was the real talent in the group. dave clark just took all the money and dipped.
No Dave was a smart businessman. He saw the potential with all the money to be made. He learned to be an average drummer,assembled a group and paid them a percentage. He was smart enough to lease their catalog to the record company for five years after which ownership reverted to him. He had the vision to see the future of retaining ownership and he told the Beatles stones and others to do the same While Allen Klein and others ripped off groups Dave was making money. But he made way more well after the group disbanded. His business skills continued well after the dc5 as an executive with Amazon among others.And his net worth today is around 30 million so he is not in the league of the very top groups .
Dave set up the band, bought all the equipment, arranged gigs, contracts etc, without him they wouldn't have existed.
You buy 10k worth of instruments today and set up a band, it's a big risk.
He did all the booking, paid for accommodation, later flights and hotels when they became famous, paid for clothing and food and gave them the equivalent of 500 quid a week spending money each week.
Clark also bought them new cars.
Sure they'd have been better off on a percentage deal, but this was the deal they took.
He was their manager, and group leader, they were his employee's.
Brian epstein wanted the beatles on a weekly wage, because that's was standard practice of the day, they turned him down.
Eventually Brian agreed on 25% and the band split 75% between the 4 of them, so brain the manager and not even in the band was making more money than any of them.
He worked them like pit ponies in the early days, tours, TV and radio appearances up and down the country and Europe.
And was getting 25% of ticket sales at all concerts, 25% of TV appearance fees etc.
Yet is held in High regard, mostly because they liked him, because his managerial skills leave a lot to be desired, he lost them and himself a fortune by selling them short for a quick buck
@@adrinathegreat3095 Dave saw the money potential of the British invasion but was not really a good musician. He taught himself to play drums reasonably well. Everything you wrote was true and I learned a lot from your comments that I did not know. Dave leased the songs to the record companies for five years after which the rights reverted to him. He also told the Beatles and the stones to do the same but they didn't listen.His business acumen served him well as an executive with Amazon among other companies.
@@nicholasbrowning4558 Sorry but Dave did NOT pay them a percentage. The other 4 were considered employees of Dave's and were paid a salary.
As for the 30 million.... 1) are you sure that wasn't pounds, not dollars? 2) He was way ahead of the times. He founded the group, played drums, sang backing vocals (and the lead in The Red Balloon), managed the group, and produced the records BEFORE they even had their first hit record.
@@bjbell52 Yes I meant salary. He did not pay them a percentage. He was one of the few musicians who had a business sense and refused to be ripped off by the record companies. Smart man..
Looks like a Klingon..
right!
Maybe if there was at least one live performance available...
@Bill Gannon
Here’s audio from a1965 concert
ua-cam.com/video/9TBI2kzoW1Q/v-deo.html
Enjoy🎶
Try looking for their command performance for the Queen. It's on UA-cam and they did play live.
He was an astute businessman with some talent. While the Beatles and every other British invasion group was being ripped off he leased the dc5 songs for five years and maintained ownership making him a rich man. I think he should have done more for the other members especially Mike Smith but then maybe he did. His business acumen served him well as he was an executive with other companies as well.
"Businessman and manager, yes. Bandmate, friend, decent human being - not a chance. Karma will take its pound of flesh."
Dave Clark never wrote a song in his life, insisted on having his name listed on all the songs, insisted on not having the actual writer's (Ron Ryan) name on any of the songs, promised Ron fair compensation for this arrangement with a "handshake" deal and then cheated Ron out of EVERYTHING not giving Ron one cent or any credit for all the hit songs he wrote for "The Dave Clark Five".
In addition Dave Clark hired drummer Bobby Graham for all the recording studio sessions to do HIS drumming parts as he didn’t want to be “bothered” with it.
I have personally had correspondence with Ron Ryan and he validates everything and more that I’ve said my comment.
approving of him being an “Allen Klein” shows your lack of ethics.
@@potterwalker4823 No it shows your complete lack of business acumen. All these groups were getting ripped off in the sixties .But not Dave Clark.
@@potterwalker4823 Allen Klein made more money for the Beatles in the first year than they made up to that date. He was a pioneer in forensic accounting and found a lot of money due them that a lesser financial brain would have even thought of. Yes he ripped them off but so did Epstein who was incompetent. Brian got 25% of all the revenue generated be it concert sales records ,merchandise leaving the four lads 75% to split. He made more than the Beatles!
What the hell happened to his face?
An idea for you Dave - you hate being criticized? Most successful people use criticism to make themselves better. Also, if you don't want to be criticized then stop taking credit for other peoples' work! Can you say RON RYAN ????
The career you made for yourself is impressive BUT please credit the ones who help you achieve your goals. For one thing I doubt that your band would have ever been successful without Mike Smith.
they were a singles band nothing more as Roger Daltry said w a scumbag for a drummer/ leader.
The Dave Clark Five was one of the greatest bands of the 1960's. Dave Clark's unique style on the drums gave the band their own special sound. No other drummer could even come close to playing the drums like Dave Clark.
Except for the guys they hired to play drums on their records...
@@mysticgeneie4668 Dave Clark was the leader of the band and he is the one who always played the drums. Without Dave CAlrk it would not be the Dave Clark Five.
he couldn’t play shit. He was another Pete Best, somebody with out talent so they had session players and were nothing more than a singles band.
@@mysticgeneie4668absolutely correct
Is there a chance that he’s had just a small amount of work done! He also talks like he’s had a stroke!
fraud