The Heavy's Best Minigun
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
- TLDR;
Tomislav on offence
Stock on defence
Natasha if you're an asshole
Music is mostly lo-fi remixes of the kirby ost.
Good vibes amirite?
Update at the end on my girlfriend.
In short she's out of the hospital now and is making a recovery at home.
:D - Ігри
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1:04 this loadout looks familiar 👀
NOOOOOO
(racial slur) (lenny face)
This video legitimately made me reconsider using the Natasha so I think ill start to use this more, nice video as well :)
please dont
Well now I gotta
@@zandercopeland6143 please :(
@@pooter-zn2hm well alright because you asked nicely
@@zandercopeland6143 :)
brass beast for offense
brass beast for defense
brass beast for brass beast
i love brass beast
brass beast chads rise up!!
based
The Natascha's sole benefit lies with its damage resistance. Its slow mechanic isn't properly functional due to buggy code. I just want to correct this one part of the video, since it operates under the assumption that this glitch was fixed in a prior update-and it was, but only temporarily. It was silently reverted a few hours later, on March 28th, 2018.
Thing is, i can't find for the life of me about slow totally being gone when using AD keys.
In the old pre slow fix if you used AD keys you would be able to bypass the ability all together.
But in the after fix it's not a total bypass but a reduction, and from what i found on the internet from its around 40% slow instead.
But i can be wrong since nobody archives shadow nerfs or even talks about it.
@@Nitosa Trust me, it works exactly the same as it did prior to Blue Moon. 40% slow is what Natascha is meant to apply, but in reality, it rarely reaches that amount due to diagonal movement in general mitigating the effect. Rapidly alternating between A and D while holding W will bypass the slow altogether.
I've found that most players usually get caught off guard when they're caught out by a heavy, and probably won't be worrying about what minigun they're using until they get hit by it.
The way I like to use the Natascha is with the Family Business, and use it as kind of a support weapon/portable sentry. When I'm on the move I have the FB out, and when I get engaged, if I can't kill the enemy with my shotgun and if they disengage when I duck behind a corner, I pull out the Natascha to scare them off. My playstyle as this heavy isn't to get the most kills, but to stay alive while being useful.
I practice a kind of mobile defense where I fall back to a better position and whip out the Natascha. Great when you have a good team.
@@dragonfell5078 I find that players exploit the Natascha's weakness without even knowing. All you need to do is move diagonally, and most players integrate diagonal directions into their motion.
@@dragonfell5078 same, but with the brass beast instead.
I am shockingly into P-Bean and his channel, but the fact that he even implied the Wrangler is 'underrated' or 'underappreciated' is just absurd to me. The Wrangler and the Short Circuit are two of the most absurdly overpowered weapons in the entirety of TF2.
nah i said they were underrated for a long time because it doesn't show you how good it is with numbers on your scoreboard,
now it's common knowledge that's it's super op because of the shield
should've made what i said more clear though :/
@@P-Bean neat
the short circuit????? really????? SHORT CIRCUIT????????
@@cinemalazare4850 payload
@@scouttf2143 thats the only slight thing that even comes close to op, people honestly throw the word op everywhere
heavy mains are the silent chads we need
Ah another tf2ber rising up. Loving how many more people are getting popular
Godspeed
So this is the reason why i have seen more natasha heavies
I don't think I've seen a heavy with the Natasha since I started playing tf2 again a few months ago, and I have to agree with you that that's probably a good thing. Really good video!
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I use it every time I play. I just don’t care what people say about the mini gun.
Quite literally “The Forbidden Minigun”
You make some good points, but to really convince me and everyone that the Natascha is that good we should unban it in comp and see how people play around it. Comp restrictions aren't the deal breaker for calling a weapon OP, sometimes they're just to prevent unfun playstyles and sometimes don't even make any sense.
Also glad to hear your girlfriend's ok.
Yeah comp rules aren't always deal breakers, especially since 6v6 is a totally different gamemode.
Most pros keep up with op weapons and make full use of them whenever they can i don’t think the pros are sleeping on this it’s mainly that heavy isn’t used in 6’s and no one cares what happens in 9’s
Natasha REALLY messes with explosive jumping.
That alone is enough to get it a ban in 6s.
@@moonmelons its more about the fact that switching off of the generalists makes the game slow and not dynamic and instead turns it into 2 teams waiting for a fuckup from the enemy to push and thats not 5cp thats payload
How about the 2 other miniguns? (Brass Beast and the Huo-Long Heater). Also I hope your girlfriend is okay.
They're both just too situational to be contenders for the top spot. They're both actually really good in the right scenario, but no one would advise you to run either full time.
When i played tf2 i used the brass beast because it looked cool, nothing else
Both great for cart heavy and defensive positions, but the beast can’t really do an offensive push unless you sacrifice your sandwich for a shotgun, and the heater uses up so much ammo that you’re pretty much tied down to the cart or a dispenser.
@Source Dasher
It depends on the map in my opinion. I mean, combine the fact that players drop an ammo pack after death and good placement of normal ammo packs through out the map. If you play your cards right, it can be as minor as adapting to a new habit.
Zesty Jesus even made a video where he found his damage per minute with the stock versus the huo long heater was around even. That video got me to pick up that mini gun again in what’s felt like years. Aside from it being a huge nostalgia trip, it was a fun style to adapt to. Took me out of my comfort zone as heavy, at the cost of providing “those rare high moments”.
@Source Dasher
Are you telling me that just because just because the tomislav is the best, I shouldn’t be allowed to try others for fun? Are you calling the stock bad?
For one, the stock and HLH were shown being near equal anyway. 10% less damage doesn’t matter at farther distances and when an enemy is up close, the fire brings that damage up way higher, which you left out. The ammo downside as I said isn’t as bad as if you know where to look for and the map has lots of normal ammo packs. Granted it’s not a good choice for maps like 2fort where ammo is practically nowhere except players; but that doesn’t make it useless on others.
For another, just because one weapon is better doesn’t mean all others are bad. I myself don’t think the HLH is the best, but calling it bad is a bit ludicrous, especially considering you’re talking to someone who used it recently.
In a nutshell, these miniguns are great sidegrades
I have the iron curtain, so I'm contractually obligated to use it all of the time
The scout on the other side of 2fort thinking I'll be an easy pick for him. My natasha with 3456 kills for scouts killed
everyone: the best miniguns are the stock and tomislav!!!
me when im bored and want to play pyro without playing pyro: h u o l o n g h e a t e r
I just clicked on the video and I have three words for you.
Hybrid Fat Scout
Here's eight more:
Brass beast, Family business, Gloves of Running Urgently
Natasha my beloved, you were always meant for horrifying things. So proud of you.
I gotta say I often felt alone as a Heavy main using the Natasha when many people say Tommy or Stock. So thank you for this vid
-Lofi
-Soothing voice
-Crispy edits
-Guide
Yup that’s a like and sub from me
Not for me, Lofi is overrated
@@Akunai_ Well did you notice that the lofi music is actually rocket jump waltz? Listen closely 0:17
@@hulias3107 I’m sticking with the original Rocket Jump Waltz
Basic
@@hulias3107 reject cringy lofi rocket jump waltz, go original rocket jump waltz
Natascha isn't necessary the best of miniguns. I would give it a title "The most badass minigun".
Thats a nice video , keep going man
with the natacha i once almost carried my entire team in a losing fight there was 7 min left and they had just capped the last point before the winning point (pl def) but we lost since somehow our entire team died.
Natasha's damage resistance makes the hp/second you get from healing worth more.
Go offensive using it and a quick fix medic, it's kinda silly.
Also use dalokosh bar
problem is that it's only active once you're below half health, this kinda sucks because you still die to two quick-scoped head shots.
@@windhelmguard5295, nope
@@windhelmguard5295 half health or less. so if you take 150 damage the damage resistance will activate
0:25 I wish PragerU would put this disclaimer in every single one of their “graphs”
As we all know the best is OBVIOUSLY the huo long!
Ah yes, the Natasha, the "I fucking hate scouts" minigun.
If i had to choose one minigun to use forever, I'd choose the brass beast. I don't care about being slow. I like playing defensive heavy.
@Disgusting_Developer yeah i know
brass beast>>>>>>>
It just feels cheap. I won't even use it when a full head demo-knight keeps one shotting me while I'm trying to mow him.
The Huo Long may be situational, but it's FUN AF (how it feels to play demoknight lazypurple voice). As he said in How it Feels to Play Heavy, you just live for those moments where you can say "fuck it." and jump around a corner, mowing down the entire enemy team.
But the hou long does -15% less dmg and consumes 4x more ammo you could do the same thing with any other minigun with better results
i like the overall editing and "pace" the video has, keep up the good work!
the Brass Beast would need the Rev up removed to be better, as for the set items, a quick fix for the steak would be making it the melee mode Dalokosh bar with max overheal but it heals like the Sandvich and leftovers are the overheal. Warriors spirit needs a bit of a overheal(less damage faster firing speed no random crits for minicrits are crits and 10HP on hit and 50HP on kill as upsides and the survivor heavy melee) to make it better.
Huo Long Heater would need a mode changer that you do by pressing the item key and in the case of the HLH it switches between the fire ring and incendiary ammo, meaning you have a fire ring or shoot fire for the price of 4 more ammo per shot. Something to introduce that would be Stock minigun gets normal fire and Hollow point bullets/Bleeding hits mode that costs 4 more ammo to shoot. This makes stock make something over nothing and readily apparent in what it does. I would also make the medic have a new core class function of primaries and melees do burst healing.
I really like the burst healing idea for medic, that's sound super fitting and could make medic gameplay both more interesting and possibly more appealing to new players. Since medic is seen sometimes as a bit of a boring class to play from new players.
The huo long heater for sure also needs something, not sure what but something. I think the fire ring is pretty ineffective for anything other than a noob spy filter.
Also i don't think the steak needs to effect healing, i know it's niche but i love the steak in medieval mode and wouldn't want to change it in that mode for the world, i'd prefer if it just granted a speed boost without the melee restriction, but without the speed boost when revving or shooting.
Good ideas in there though, great comment. :D
The fast spin up time for Tomislav is actually rlly useful for bhopping as a Heavy
I personally find the natascha's downsides not that notable and I might honestly say it's practically a straight upgrade from stock for essentially the same reason as the tomislav. It only fares worse than stock in heavy v heavy duels and the ability to punish enemies disengaging you _as a heavy_ is incredibly powerful. The tomislav only slightly punishes disengaging with the extra mobility and silent rev, but the natascha just puts your enemy in the fuckbox, an inescapable realm of unimaginable damage and indescribable pain where there is only death.
I love how you didn't even touch the Brass Beast.....
That pyro bit is hilarious! I've been watching most of your tf2 videos and cant wait for more, keep it up!
>Equips natasha
>Overall fun decreased
When you said what is the best mini gun that’s meme able I know someone will use that
If you want to be a SUPER annoying heavy, pair this with the Buffalo steak sandvich and holiday punch. The Buffalo steak can make flanking SLIGHTLY easier, and the holiday punch effectively stuns enemies by forcing them to schadenfreude taunt, making them sitting ducks for your team, and your Natasha slows them down, although the mini crits the steak grants DO NOT force enemies to laugh.
This video started playing and I hear a notification sound. I found something. And it is Tomislav minigun.
I use the Brass Beast. I know it isn't the best. I know it's worse than stock, but I enjoy using it and I'm not bothered about the meta.
If you're having fun that's all that matters
All heavy mains be saying brass beast is bad but once you're revved up they're the ones running away
Brass beast is NOT bad, anyone who says such is full of it. You need to understand heavy and his skillset and good positioning to utilize it effectively. Don't stand infront of the cart and let it push you. Use it on defense, lock down chokepoints. Gridlock the shit outta those chokepoints. Anyone who cares to come near you and your point is shredded like they pissed off a fat wolverine. I promise. The only downside is needing a shotgun (which is pretty solid) and Uber pushes will basically guarantee you're dead since you're so slow. But let's be real, chances are you're dead anyways if a competent Uber push happens
It’s the brass beast
If you can get Heavy to mid (like, say, with a certain meat sandwhich and a Soldier constantly whipping you to mid), the Natascha is even viable in 5 CP, letting the Heavy just slow all of the other classes down - who are largely high mobility classes that need to be able to get in the fight quickly just to influence the flow of the match. And then you can instantly turn the game into stalling simulator 3000.
Checked this one to see if there was an update, and I'm glad she's feeling better!
Also, really liked your take on the Natscha.
Still gonna use Tomislav
Really amazing video! as someone whos trying to learn heavy ropes this helps a ton! also protip if you want to remove the grainy shadows on your renders you can right click on the viewport and change >render settings >#samples and set the camera setting to the highest! keep up the awesome vids.
glad to see that your girlfriend is back with you
Stock: its stock, nuff said
Natasha: Support mini-gun (source, this video)
Tomislav: very good for playing offensively
Brass Beast: MvM GOAT
Huo-Long Heater: if you can coordinate with a friendly pyro this thing will work
As a representative of the church of the tomislav, I refuse to believe this video exists.
Have fun doing 7 dps
Laughs in 11-14 dps
the strafe-spamming does still work to cancel ANY slow effect in the game, including the natascha, but it was fixed fro awhile iirc
1:57 is it bad I legitimately thought it said “xomislav”
no he drew the t weird
THIS IS LITERALLY THE BEST EXPLINATION OF THIS CONCEPT IVE EVER HEARD, PERIOD. my friends tag on me for having a strange KS natascha but when j explain that when i stand next tj a pyro/soldier/demo/other heavy and make enemies slower it may not make my kills higher but i make the other person slaughter harder than than already where (one of my friends is a brass beast heavy and this SLAPS on defense)
IMO the ranking of MINIGUN from offense to defense is Huo long, Slav, Stock, Natascha, and Beast BC you are literally a sentry
tomislav (i invite u to a fist fight in the comments)
Absolutely agree with you. No argument here. By far the best minigun.
I myself prefer to use the Brass Beast on Defense and stock or Natascha on Offense (partially because I don't have the Tomislav).
The Brass Beast sticks out when you're at a chokepoint or a capture point or anywhere the like (especially with a sentry), with the enemy team trying to run through only to get mowed down by the Beast's higher damage. Think something like a living Sentry. (Thanks, Bad Weapon Academy)
On the other hand, stock is all-around decent, and Natascha helps slow down the enemy, which makes them easier targets for the rest of your team. I stick more towards the stock Minigun, but I find the Natascha more useful sometimes.
Offense is Tomi defense is brass beast natachsa if your an a hole dragons fury if ur on a payload cart and stock is well rounded. That’s my opinion
Nice vid P-Bean. I just got back into Tf2 after years and after seeing your video, took up the Natascha and have noticed I am winning a lot more than before. Thanks man.
I personally use stock more because I have a strange one and like the feeling of my kills being recorded.
the slowdown effect can be bypassed by running diagonally (although the enemy probably won't tell the difference between stock and natasha, so the effect indicator is the only one, really)
My opinion the best minimum houling heater because I like his it looks
I need a pro ks for my strage hou-long heater, i love that gun, is my favorite gun for every situation
Arguments on diferents guns are alowed
Good editing. Hope to see more.
It's weird.. In videogames, I love slow, powerful characters. I gravitate towards the tanks. So when I used the Brass Beast, I was like, "Why do people complain??"
I've been in worse trenches....
Phlog pyro's existence justifies Natascha spam
I hate heavy so much because I'm impatient at playing heavy and I cannot bother with turning around to see if there's spies sneaking up on me while I'm blasting.
Personally i love playing with natascha
I get a great sense of joy watching others try and run away from me but fail because they are too slow
Especially over confident scouts and rocket jumping soldiers
Bold of you to assume i do not get immense pleasure from seeing lime scout's slow and painful death.
To be honest the brass beast isn't half bad at defense either, it's slower movement speed and spin up time is negated when your mostly going to be pre-revving and firing anyway, and on top of that the access of medics, dispensers, and teammates means you won't have to move much, and it means that if some random scout decides to flank you'll have real backup.
This makes it so you basically have major resistance and a straight damage bonus especially when defending a point, and pairing it with a shotgun or the banana, one of which allows for a better source of damage while chasing, and the other allowing you to heal up more often which can get you out of a pinch supposing you run out of backup.
It was all a trick question it’s the brass beast
That 20% damage resistance when below 50% health is so overlooked, yet so important for me.
If you combine it with the chokolate bar which raises your base health to 350 health you become so much more tanky. I dont know if this is true, but I think since the chokolate bar raises your base health to 350 the health at which you get the 20% damage resistance is raised from 150 health to 175 making it even stronger. And if that is the case it means that a natasha heavy with the chokolate bar has up to 385. With this ammount of health you can survive for so much longer. It is insane.
Slowness is still bugged and hasn’t been fixed
valve actually tried to fix it but they made the slow effect way too strong so the reverted it
what valve thought while making the natasha was tha tthe heavy would select a target and turn said target to swiss cheese since a slower target would be easier to hit
3:35 tutorial on how to lose your spot in heaven
I’ve only seen a Natasha in game twice that I can remember
Personally I’ve become really reliant on the tighter spread of the tomislav and find it awkward to switch back to a worse accuracy
I think the Natascha physical model cold be reworked by reducing the number of barrels to three and having the frontal shroud being a triangle.
Long ago in my TF2 days when the Natascha/Brass Beast were first given their damage resistance, I actually started running Natascha full time for a while. Reason being that back then the damage resistance was not tied to health, it was just active when spun-up (I still don't know why they changed it to be only below 50%. Natascha didn't need the resistance in the first place so I'm fine with that but the Brass Beast really benefited considering how slow it is and exploitable it is). From my perspective, the damage debuff didn't matter as much in 1v1's since I was also taking less damage, and Heavy is generally at the center of his team, so he won't be engaging in 1v1's anyway. The damage resistance just gives him way more staying power than he would have otherwise in these team fight scenarios. I don't remember how I used to perform, but I remember doing okay for the most part.
Huo long is best if you have game sense, simply because of the fire buff
Natasha is also murderous on MVM. where or not there are fast scouts giants. Simply because you can keep a horde of bots bunched up in a kill box that much longer and your sniper will love you for it. As will your soldier and your demo
You also missed hugely for defense that the fact the Tomislav has no rev up sound means it's insanely good for ambushing people on defense. There's been so many times where I've caught the enemy team over-extended and completely demolished their push attempt thanks to the Tomislav being ready and waiting for the right moment. Stock's rev up time and the fact they can hear it would have given them enough time to just get away instead. That and you didn't mention how the positional improvement thanks to the faster rev up time also benefits on defense as well as offense, as it allows you flexibility in countering enemy pushes. That being said I will say that the stock is still technically better since it still does more damage and overall and is easier to get used to on defense, it's just the Tomislav is absolutely still incredibly viable on defense as well.
I find rushing people with the huo long heater fun while only burning them.
I stopped using the Natasha when I was shooting a pro market garden soldier and completely fucked up his flight path. Yeah I felt really bad for him, but also I wanted the generally higher dps of stock.
I use the heater because I like to play super aggressive and tanky as heavy, and pyros spamming scorch shot are common
At least the natascha isn't the sniper rifle
I use Natascha a lot, explosive jumpers and scouts got smacked hard whenever I use this.
Pyros and demoknights too. I hate playing against those classes so I use it a lot.
Great another video about
Heavys Survival Guide
I love how the natasha sounds
hey i read the description, what happaned to ur girlfriend?
I don't know all the details but she spent a few weeks in the hospital due to complications with balances of stuff in her body (yeah i know bad answer), no disease or pathogen or anything of the sort though.
I played some no cap hightower just now and got so fed up with scouts I went Natasha heavy. On reflection I think I feel dirty about it.
This is what people say. I don’t care what people say It’s available to Heavy, I’m using it.
I like the Ludmilla
You can still spam A and D to negate the slow effect
That was fixed actually!
Ok I'll use Natascha + Sandvich + Fists Of Steel
Gru is better but good for you
I was hoping that you’d be talking about the Longheater I love that thing
dw the best minigun is coming in the heavy update
I did the math, that pie chart has the huolong heater at 5.6% (I think)
My personal fav, even though I recognize that it’s one of the worst options, is the brass beast. I just like melting scouts, and everyone else, but especially scouts (and spies)
2:16 No, it still takes the same number of bullets to kill an enemy, it just takes longer. So, it doesn't really save ammo.
Tomislav is probably the best, but when you own a killstreak Iron Curtain that you treat as if it were your baby, then it’s more up to your own opinion.