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As a individual who has worked the galleries of the British Museum, no item is more requested or sought after than the Rosetta Stone: or the most missed. People will ask where it is even while standing right next to it, and it is on everyone’s bucket tour. The biggest irony as to why people struggle to find it is the sea of people who envelop it’s case just to get a look: accidentally blocks it from view. In short its one of the few times you will see people excited to see a Tax Document
That's cause its exposition is not ideal, it's a relatively small stone place at size height in the middle of a hallway between the Egyptian and Assyrian corridors, a place which is bound to be crowded. It sould be place at the end of the Egyptian Corridor, head-high up on a wall, facing down the alley filled with statues and sarcophagus. With the explanations and information placed next to it, on both sides... Ugh, Britons... NO SENSE OF PRESENTATION ! If we had brought it to the Louvre this would have NEVER happened!!! 🙄😤😤
I would graciously like to mock the Louvre in turn and undermine its layout… however I have never been so I will instead aggressively drink tea at you. *SIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPP!* *This is a joke :P*
@cebonvieuxjack as an American, I would like to look down on both of you from some misguided sense of superiority, then proceed to throw the vast majority of my money into the defense budget. I chose to make the sound of an F-22 Raptor fly by, costing the taxpayer millions of dollars. *WOOOOOOOOOSH*
@@DragoniteSpam I'd suggest looking into Euler and Gauss. Basically, if there is some concept in math which got discovered between like 1800 and 2000, there is like a 50/50 chance that either one of those already discovered that same thing a few hundred years prior.
@@robert-janthuis9927 You expect Euler and Gauss to show up all over the place in math (and Newton in physics, and Turing and Shannon in computing...), the remarkable thing about people like Young are how many different domains they did important work in over a single lifetime.
They're not wrong, but it's the story around it and what they could do with it that made it a great story... if they left all that out, no wonder it was dull lol. It is rather amusing though that one of the most notable archaeological finds in human history is unimportant, dry tax law though.
@@Jimera0 i think the story of Ptolemy V's power struggle is just as interesting, and provides important context. This stone was carved during the Punic Wars while Hannibal was invading Italy. That's a lot of historical juice that I was never told!
@@DavidJamesHenry iirc there was a massive popular revolt against the Greeks (and their corrupt local priests) under Ptolemy IV, which actually reinstalled pharaohs in upper Egypt, southern Nile. But they lost.
Imagine travelling across the world to somewhere you have never been before, and be surrounded by the ancient monuments of the past carved in a language only you know.
@@v_cpt-phasma_v689 The English didn't started it, they almost tried from day one. Champolion's interest into coptic was also a core element for being able to decipher and speak the language.
@@ChrisCrossClash If it wasn't for the French you wouldn't even HAVE the Rosetta stone. The only thing you're good at is stealing. coming from a Lithuanian... man, i wish Napoleon would have won.
8:45 "He uncovered kings who's names had not been spoken for millennia" I'm very embarrassed that I never really thought about this but it makes so much sense and it's so mind-blowing.
You should have mentioned that Egypt acknowledged Champollion's work and gifted an obelisk to France to thank them for deciphering hieroglyphs. I don't think there is a clearer way to say that he won and Young lost :P .
They also gifted Britain Cleopatra's Needle at the same time as thanks for kicking the French out of Egypt. It was presented in 1819 but remained in Egypt until 1877 due to transport costs, only being finally moved when the Egyptians proposed demolishing it to make way for land development.
Egypt gave two obelisks to France. But the first one was so tedious to transport, we left the second one in Egypt and a century and a half later a french president officially renounced to the gift XD
Although I would like to know what they think of Champollion statue in the College of France. Do they really have to put his foot over a Pharao's head?
Thomas Young and Jean-François Champollion arguing who deciphered Egyptian Language, and I'm here wanting to hug both, just to say: "You both did a great job, and we are grateful for it".
At the same time though, as an American, I really just want to watch them both duke it out while I enjoy my popcorn and fondly remember how we owned them during the Suez Crisis. Good times.
Good thing they noticed it, regardless of what their exact words were upon discovery. As was pointed out in the "Napoleon in Egypt" series, ancient steles were often repurposed as building blocks.
Even though I always had an interest in ancient history, for the longest time I thought that the Rosetta stone was much ... smaller. Like, the size of a sheet of paper. It was only a couple years ago, when I saw an image of it with a person standing next to it and realized: "Wait, that thing is massive!"
Rosetta Stone would be like in 2000 years from now and somebody finds an intact Alibaba instruction manual. It's written in 3 languages English/Chinese/Spanish. They already understand Chinese because this knowledge somehow survived 2000 years into the future but Spanish and English were lost to time along with all Romance languages. Using this Alibaba instruction manual they are able to also tap into some Greek and Latin because of the nature of Romance Languages. The Rosetta Stone itself is deciphered once again and read after studying the great Alibaba manual. The people of the future wonder who was this great Alibaba and why was he so important to have to have his important message read by so many different types of people?
Just think that Champollion, without the knowledge and resources of today's media did a better research on Ancient Egypt than 3 so-called Egyptologist for a certain network.
In all fairness, the Ptolemies themselves often did the same thing. The British were adding their own history to an ancient object, as has been done by conquerors since time immemorial.
@@irene_denebNot just the Ptolemies. One of the big hurdles of studying ancient Egyptian history is that over thousands of years, multiple Kingdoms and even more Dynasties, there was a LOT of historical revision to better fit the then-current rulers. Scratching out and re-carving names, claiming achievements that were proven older than the claimant's family, switching around gods as parts of the religion fell in and out of favour... It all builds up over the Millenia, until the Romans took over and ended much of the priesthood, consigning Hieroglyphics to the past.
As someone who likes to mess with reconstructions of European languages and later check my guesses, the section at 7:35 spoke to me on a personal level
Similarly ancient Khmer was decyphered when Etienne Aymonier discovered a stele at a small temple in present-day Sakaew, Thailand. The stone was inscribed in both Sanskrit and Khmer and told the story of the founding of the kingdom and a list of monarchs, unlocking two centuries of lost history. When France drew up borders for their new colony, the temple ended up on the Siamese side, so Aymonier attempted to steal the stele by hauling it with an elephant. He failed-it's not known for certain it was him, but he was annoyed that such an important find was on the "wrong" side of the arbitrary border France drew through Siamese controlled territory, and locals witnessed a European attempt to take the stone. The Siamese then fetched the stone and took it to Bangkok where it sat in The National Museum before being destroyed by a fire. The temple has been reconstructed and I've performed there twice, in shows telling the history of the temple, the discovery it provided, and the history of The Khmer Kingdom.
Pharao's could change the hyrogliphic script based on their own personal preference. This also meant that all important carvings of tale's, laws, religious teksts were changed dozens of times because some random pharao liked certain symbols slightly different better. This also didnt help to translate ancient egyptian later.
Kingston Lacy, it has lovely gardens. Got dragged around there a lot as a kid because my parents liked those gardens, I always thought the giant obelisk sitting in the middle of the estate looked cool but I never realised it was so important in deciphering hieroglyphics.
How unbelievably amazing. Can you just imagine, you personally unlock the secret to a long lost civilization and are the first person since its fall to successfully understand what was left behind? Man was deservingly overwhelmed when he ran to his brrother!
Wow, I didn't know how much trouble it was to decipher hieroglyphics from the Stone. I thought it was like, "Oh, match the shapes to the other shapes that form words." And now, yeah, that sounds ridiculous considering how complex both civilizations were.
Add to the fact it's not a perfect one for one because Egyptian writing doesn't have vowels meaning there are literal gaps to fill when translating. I learned to read Younger Futhark for fun and for art and design purposes and that took months. I can only imagine how much of a headache it was to decode Egyptian from essentially scratch.
Interesting enough the word demotic is still being used as an expression in Greek for common people's dialect Yes back in the day languages had the everyday And elaborated snobbish versions As a matter of fact Greece kept using what they literally called the Katharevousa - the purist until the mid 80s!!!
Demotic just means popular, the complete name of the third script on the Rosetta stone is demotic egyptian. It's just that we really study demotic scripts only in egyptology so the egyptian is dropped ^^
The ostensibly preposterous proposition that the intricacies of sophisticated language yield an arcane nature to the populace is worthy of contemplation.
@@krankarvolund7771" demos " the people in ancient Greek For example the ancient Athenian parliament was known as " I eklisia tou demou" the gathering of the people 😉 In Greek there is a entire family of words related to demos For example traditional " people's" songs are known as " demotica" popular people " demophilis" etc Basically almost everything having to do with popular or people's starts with demo- 😉
@@Pavlos_Charalambous Yes, demos means people. But demotica is not demos, it's demotica, which means "popular". It's the same root with a suffix, just like in english. People's song, how could we say that? Oh yeah, popular song :p Popular means "from the people" before meaning "famous", you know that right? A popular song now means a famous song, but originally it's a song from the people, we still use it in that sense for the popular class, another word for the working class. I don't really understand your answer ^^'
If you want to have some real fun, do a series on Ptolemy V's children and grandchildren, Ptolemy VI through X (although you can throw in the very short reign of Ptolemy XI before he was literally torn apart by an Alexandrian mob only a few days into his reign) and their sisters (some of whom were their wives, although the sisters would also marry into the Seleucids). It's a story of murder, incest, backstabbing, and civil wars in two kingdoms, Ptolemaic and Seleucid, that puts Game of Thrones to shame. The BBC did a series called "The Cleopatras" in the '80s that covers this period in its first few episodes (although they exaggerate quite a bit, and it's... um... *very* '80s in effects and soundtrack). Cleopatra VII, *the* Cleopatra, was actually a pale imitation of some the political maneuvering her ancestors were involved in... Heck, Cleopatra Selene I could support a whole series just on her own...
I think the sole reason why Ptolemaic family intrigue isn't better known is that everyone was called either Ptolemy or Cleopatra, and their family tree is a Christmas wreath that would make the Targaryens puke.
At 4:19. Interestingly enough, that was also the problem with ancient Mayan hieroglyphs. Lots of linguists thought this was an ideographic script, and their findings held sway over Maya studies for centuries. But that made the script even more complex and incomprehensible. It was only in the 1970s that archeologists and linguists realized that the script was a mixture of ideograms and phonetic sounds. Adding to the seemingly insurmountable complexity, the Mayans also had the nasty habit of linking one common sound to four or five symbols, similar to the way modern Chinese does. Which just multiplied the ways you could get something wrong. Deciphering of a lot Mayan hieroglyphs continues to this day. But a good 80% to 85% has been deciphered. Yay!!!
I would suggest a proper food plan in place for Extra History, nice to have sponsors like Factor but a food plan would help majorly. Also Napoleon himself had a foe waiting for him in the wings: Bnuuies.
While linguistics was just barely born as a science at that time, the act of comparing languages described is work of its predecessor: Philology. It wasn't until Saussure in the early 1900's that the linguistics would pick up steam, as far as I remember.
Cosmos by Carl Sagan has a great version of the story. “He went to the temple by torchlight and read words off the walls which hadn’t been spoken in more than 1000 years.”
Hey, 2000 years from now some future archaeologists will probably decipher the lost English language by reading the Spanish and Hmong translations of the "if you need a translation, please call this number" section of some random healthcare or financial documents.
@_wayward_494 And what good was it? Did it contain the secret to immortality or anti-gravity? No, just taxes. Not even useful because that regime stopped collecting taxes over a thousand years ago. Obsolete information about taxes.
Great video! I’ve heard of the Rosetta Stone but I thought it was something like a “Batman decoder” made out of rocks. I do realize how stupid that sounds now, but that is why content like this is so important. Thanks!
I *still* hear that heiroglyphics are pictograms and that never made any sense to me, because you can't make a language using only pictures of things. It just doesn't work. You can't draw a picture of so many complex concepts. Glad to know that thats not the case.
5:50 Japanese is not entirely logographic like Chinese. Kanji is Logographic, like how our symbols like emojis or the number "3," or most of the Chinese language. But kana, like Hiragana is a syllabary. It's not an alphabet but it is a phonetic script.
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Yay! We got a Zoey cameo! She's a good kitty.
How about getting more into the Greek revolution of 1821 against the ottoman empire
Subtle dig at the stupid TV show that lied about Cleopatra. Smooth!
As a individual who has worked the galleries of the British Museum, no item is more requested or sought after than the Rosetta Stone: or the most missed. People will ask where it is even while standing right next to it, and it is on everyone’s bucket tour. The biggest irony as to why people struggle to find it is the sea of people who envelop it’s case just to get a look: accidentally blocks it from view.
In short its one of the few times you will see people excited to see a Tax Document
That's cause its exposition is not ideal, it's a relatively small stone place at size height in the middle of a hallway between the Egyptian and Assyrian corridors, a place which is bound to be crowded. It sould be place at the end of the Egyptian Corridor, head-high up on a wall, facing down the alley filled with statues and sarcophagus. With the explanations and information placed next to it, on both sides...
Ugh, Britons... NO SENSE OF PRESENTATION ! If we had brought it to the Louvre this would have NEVER happened!!! 🙄😤😤
I would graciously like to mock the Louvre in turn and undermine its layout… however I have never been so I will instead aggressively drink tea at you.
*SIIIIIIIIIPPPPPPPP!*
*This is a joke :P*
@@thepbg8453 I would have liked to answer by smoking loudly but I don't know how to phonetically put that into letters. I am shattered, and defeated.
@cebonvieuxjack as an American, I would like to look down on both of you from some misguided sense of superiority, then proceed to throw the vast majority of my money into the defense budget.
I chose to make the sound of an F-22 Raptor fly by, costing the taxpayer millions of dollars.
*WOOOOOOOOOSH*
@@cebonvieuxjack Probably would have been stolen like the Mona Lisa.
The same Thomas Young who did the double slit experiment? Whoever called him "the last man who knew everything" wasn't messing around.
Also the same Young after whom Young's modulus was named, apparently.
@@krupam0 And here I thought I knew all the overachievers when I was in high school.
If true i was wondering why the name and time period felt familiar.
@@DragoniteSpam I'd suggest looking into Euler and Gauss. Basically, if there is some concept in math which got discovered between like 1800 and 2000, there is like a 50/50 chance that either one of those already discovered that same thing a few hundred years prior.
@@robert-janthuis9927 You expect Euler and Gauss to show up all over the place in math (and Newton in physics, and Turing and Shannon in computing...), the remarkable thing about people like Young are how many different domains they did important work in over a single lifetime.
This is way better of a story than I was led to believe as a child who was told "it's just unimportant tax information"
They're not wrong, but it's the story around it and what they could do with it that made it a great story... if they left all that out, no wonder it was dull lol. It is rather amusing though that one of the most notable archaeological finds in human history is unimportant, dry tax law though.
@@Jimera0 i think the story of Ptolemy V's power struggle is just as interesting, and provides important context. This stone was carved during the Punic Wars while Hannibal was invading Italy. That's a lot of historical juice that I was never told!
Its not even unimportant tax information! A sudden tax exemption for all priest say a great many things about the periods political climate!
@@2MeterLP we are STILL talking about tax exemptions for religious institutions to this day!
@@DavidJamesHenry iirc there was a massive popular revolt against the Greeks (and their corrupt local priests) under Ptolemy IV, which actually reinstalled pharaohs in upper Egypt, southern Nile.
But they lost.
Imagine travelling across the world to somewhere you have never been before, and be surrounded by the ancient monuments of the past carved in a language only you know.
Thats a striking image to think about. Something few people will ever experience.
damn
Basically Robin from One Piece
that is what this “history” lesson/video was: only imagination. It never happened, none ever learned to read hieroglyphs….
@@scareanticsbro what are you on about
Imagine taking the actual Rosetta Stone from the French and still getting beaten by them at translating it.
after the English started it, champ couldnt have done it without young.
@@v_cpt-phasma_v689 The English didn't started it, they almost tried from day one. Champolion's interest into coptic was also a core element for being able to decipher and speak the language.
@@wikirexmax You French are still not getting it, it's staying in England end off. 😜
@@ChrisCrossClash If it wasn't for the French you wouldn't even HAVE the Rosetta stone. The only thing you're good at is stealing.
coming from a Lithuanian... man, i wish Napoleon would have won.
@@ChrisCrossClash ...in the words of a true lover of history.... _"It belongs in a _*_museum!"_*
...Just...the one in Cairo, not the one in London...
6:58 Belzoni was not just a circus strongman, but was also one of the most influential people involved n beginning the science of Egyptology
No italians can’t be important h that doesn’t fit Germano-centric narrative
@@Boretheory meanwhilem in the Belzoni english wikipedia: 1 portrait by the british, 1 by a dutchman, 1 medal depicting him in the british museum.
8:45 "He uncovered kings who's names had not been spoken for millennia" I'm very embarrassed that I never really thought about this but it makes so much sense and it's so mind-blowing.
You should have mentioned that Egypt acknowledged Champollion's work and gifted an obelisk to France to thank them for deciphering hieroglyphs. I don't think there is a clearer way to say that he won and Young lost :P .
They also gifted Britain Cleopatra's Needle at the same time as thanks for kicking the French out of Egypt. It was presented in 1819 but remained in Egypt until 1877 due to transport costs, only being finally moved when the Egyptians proposed demolishing it to make way for land development.
Egypt gave two obelisks to France. But the first one was so tedious to transport, we left the second one in Egypt and a century and a half later a french president officially renounced to the gift XD
@Krankar Volund Oh yeah I remember that story! Turns out, moving kilotons of stone across an ocean isn't that easy x)
@@albevanhanoy That's why I prefer when people give me their gift at my home :p
Although I would like to know what they think of Champollion statue in the College of France. Do they really have to put his foot over a Pharao's head?
Thomas Young and Jean-François Champollion arguing who deciphered Egyptian Language, and I'm here wanting to hug both, just to say: "You both did a great job, and we are grateful for it".
"I just want both teams to have a great time"
At the same time though, as an American, I really just want to watch them both duke it out while I enjoy my popcorn and fondly remember how we owned them during the Suez Crisis. Good times.
English and frenchie rivalry never ends..
Also mention that working together would have been better
kind of like Alice Kober / Michael Ventris. Both died young.
Alternate universe, they met, married, and had sex like rabbits
For those of you interested in learning more I suggest checking of Native Lang's video on how Egyptian was deciphered.
seconded
I can see it now. Solider:"The new bulding scrap for the fortresses just arrived." Commander: "Whoa wait wait wait. This one looks different."
I can't. That sounds stupid.
Good thing they noticed it, regardless of what their exact words were upon discovery. As was pointed out in the "Napoleon in Egypt" series, ancient steles were often repurposed as building blocks.
Even though I always had an interest in ancient history, for the longest time I thought that the Rosetta stone was much ... smaller. Like, the size of a sheet of paper. It was only a couple years ago, when I saw an image of it with a person standing next to it and realized: "Wait, that thing is massive!"
Rosetta Stone would be like in 2000 years from now and somebody finds an intact Alibaba instruction manual. It's written in 3 languages English/Chinese/Spanish. They already understand Chinese because this knowledge somehow survived 2000 years into the future but Spanish and English were lost to time along with all Romance languages. Using this Alibaba instruction manual they are able to also tap into some Greek and Latin because of the nature of Romance Languages. The Rosetta Stone itself is deciphered once again and read after studying the great Alibaba manual. The people of the future wonder who was this great Alibaba and why was he so important to have to have his important message read by so many different types of people?
Just think that Champollion, without the knowledge and resources of today's media did a better research on Ancient Egypt than 3 so-called Egyptologist for a certain network.
He even read the name of said 'documentary'
Who needs Champollion or the Rosetta Stone for that matter, when a grandmother knows everything about Egypt.
I'm so embarrassed my British ancestors wrote on the side of an important artefact what basically says "Brits Roolz, Frenchies Droolz!"
Lol, no need to feel embarrassed those were the exploits of your ancestors not yours.
@@khosrowanushirwan7591there are plenty of brits whod do that now😂
In all fairness, the Ptolemies themselves often did the same thing. The British were adding their own history to an ancient object, as has been done by conquerors since time immemorial.
@@irene_denebNot just the Ptolemies. One of the big hurdles of studying ancient Egyptian history is that over thousands of years, multiple Kingdoms and even more Dynasties, there was a LOT of historical revision to better fit the then-current rulers. Scratching out and re-carving names, claiming achievements that were proven older than the claimant's family, switching around gods as parts of the religion fell in and out of favour... It all builds up over the Millenia, until the Romans took over and ended much of the priesthood, consigning Hieroglyphics to the past.
I'm humoured by it, I wouldn't do it if I found an ancient artifact though.
I can wholeheartedly say. That this artifact has brought more understanding of the Egyptian culture than anywhere else
As someone who likes to mess with reconstructions of European languages and later check my guesses, the section at 7:35 spoke to me on a personal level
The next one should be about deciphering the Mayan writing.
@angolaproductions2011 what's so funny?
“I also can’t eat the Rosetta Stone” is such a wonderful sentence.
Not with that attitude!
Similarly ancient Khmer was decyphered when Etienne Aymonier discovered a stele at a small temple in present-day Sakaew, Thailand. The stone was inscribed in both Sanskrit and Khmer and told the story of the founding of the kingdom and a list of monarchs, unlocking two centuries of lost history. When France drew up borders for their new colony, the temple ended up on the Siamese side, so Aymonier attempted to steal the stele by hauling it with an elephant. He failed-it's not known for certain it was him, but he was annoyed that such an important find was on the "wrong" side of the arbitrary border France drew through Siamese controlled territory, and locals witnessed a European attempt to take the stone. The Siamese then fetched the stone and took it to Bangkok where it sat in The National Museum before being destroyed by a fire. The temple has been reconstructed and I've performed there twice, in shows telling the history of the temple, the discovery it provided, and the history of The Khmer Kingdom.
kmers civilisation is certainly one of the less know and the more fascinating civilisation.
Really interesting :) Thanks for educating us!
I got terrified for a second you would omit this from the "Napoleon in Egypt" story.
"I also Can't eat the Rosetta Stone"
Well not with That attitude you Can't Matt
"William John Banks was touring Egypt when he fell in love with a 22-foot tall, 6-ton obelisk."
A better love story than Twilight.
The full history of the Rosetta Stone is just one of those amazing series of fascinating historical events and coincidences.
Those stories are amazing! Keep up your wonderful work!
6:46 - the man was right, it really tied the front yard together
Caligula said the same thing. Now the Obelisc he brought to Rome is in the sentre of Sain Peter's Square.
@@saidtoshimaru1832 a pope or two as well. They've been fighting over that thing in particular for 2000 years at least
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Pharao's could change the hyrogliphic script based on their own personal preference. This also meant that all important carvings of tale's, laws, religious teksts were changed dozens of times because some random pharao liked certain symbols slightly different better. This also didnt help to translate ancient egyptian later.
I'm surprised Rosetta Stone didn't sponsor this episode.
Talk about a missed opportunity.
I read about this story in a history book when I was a kid, and it's always fascinated me. Thanks for providing me with more details.
"I can't eat the Rosetta Stone"
"Skill issue"
0:18 You hear this Netflix?
No, what?
man, this would have been a perfect video for Rosetta Stone language Learning Software to have sponsored.
9:24 the betrayal
I grew up in Dorset. The estate with that obelisk was just outside my home town.
Kingston Lacy, it has lovely gardens. Got dragged around there a lot as a kid because my parents liked those gardens, I always thought the giant obelisk sitting in the middle of the estate looked cool but I never realised it was so important in deciphering hieroglyphics.
The Rosetta stone along with some other pieces on how to speak egyptian really did unlock our understanding of Egypt and its great past.
4:04 literally how I'm laying and watching this video lol
How unbelievably amazing. Can you just imagine, you personally unlock the secret to a long lost civilization and are the first person since its fall to successfully understand what was left behind? Man was deservingly overwhelmed when he ran to his brrother!
Wow, I didn't know how much trouble it was to decipher hieroglyphics from the Stone. I thought it was like, "Oh, match the shapes to the other shapes that form words." And now, yeah, that sounds ridiculous considering how complex both civilizations were.
Add to the fact it's not a perfect one for one because Egyptian writing doesn't have vowels meaning there are literal gaps to fill when translating. I learned to read Younger Futhark for fun and for art and design purposes and that took months. I can only imagine how much of a headache it was to decode Egyptian from essentially scratch.
9:09 "I also can't eat the Rosetta Stone..."
Not with that attitude.
Jokes aside, excellent video. I love your channel's work.
Funny that people discovering history is now history.
Omg, literally saw it today and there’s a video now on UA-cam, thank you so much Extra Credit!
It feels weird to actually see stuff like this.
Interesting enough the word demotic is still being used as an expression in Greek for common people's dialect
Yes back in the day languages had the everyday
And elaborated snobbish versions
As a matter of fact Greece kept using what they literally called the Katharevousa - the purist until the mid 80s!!!
Demotic just means popular, the complete name of the third script on the Rosetta stone is demotic egyptian. It's just that we really study demotic scripts only in egyptology so the egyptian is dropped ^^
The ostensibly preposterous proposition that the intricacies of sophisticated language yield an arcane nature to the populace is worthy of contemplation.
@@krankarvolund7771" demos " the people in ancient Greek
For example the ancient Athenian parliament was known as " I eklisia tou demou" the gathering of the people 😉
In Greek there is a entire family of words related to demos
For example traditional " people's" songs are known as " demotica" popular people " demophilis" etc
Basically almost everything having to do with popular or people's starts with demo- 😉
@@Theraot exatly Dat 🙃😉
@@Pavlos_Charalambous Yes, demos means people. But demotica is not demos, it's demotica, which means "popular". It's the same root with a suffix, just like in english.
People's song, how could we say that? Oh yeah, popular song :p
Popular means "from the people" before meaning "famous", you know that right? A popular song now means a famous song, but originally it's a song from the people, we still use it in that sense for the popular class, another word for the working class.
I don't really understand your answer ^^'
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6:21, I didn't know Egyptians had a hieroglyph for the wifi icon... 🤔😉🤣
If you want to have some real fun, do a series on Ptolemy V's children and grandchildren, Ptolemy VI through X (although you can throw in the very short reign of Ptolemy XI before he was literally torn apart by an Alexandrian mob only a few days into his reign) and their sisters (some of whom were their wives, although the sisters would also marry into the Seleucids). It's a story of murder, incest, backstabbing, and civil wars in two kingdoms, Ptolemaic and Seleucid, that puts Game of Thrones to shame. The BBC did a series called "The Cleopatras" in the '80s that covers this period in its first few episodes (although they exaggerate quite a bit, and it's... um... *very* '80s in effects and soundtrack). Cleopatra VII, *the* Cleopatra, was actually a pale imitation of some the political maneuvering her ancestors were involved in...
Heck, Cleopatra Selene I could support a whole series just on her own...
I think the sole reason why Ptolemaic family intrigue isn't better known is that everyone was called either Ptolemy or Cleopatra, and their family tree is a Christmas wreath that would make the Targaryens puke.
Bravo Champollion !
8:48 pet peeve: "millennia" is plural. The singular form is "millennium". Like the Backstreet Boys album.
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8:35 What a moment that must have been...
I had never heard of the Philae' obelisk and it really should be considered as important as the Rosetta stone. Thanks EH for doing this.
I love the original art style for extra history!
At 4:19. Interestingly enough, that was also the problem with ancient Mayan hieroglyphs. Lots of linguists thought this was an ideographic script, and their findings held sway over Maya studies for centuries. But that made the script even more complex and incomprehensible. It was only in the 1970s that archeologists and linguists realized that the script was a mixture of ideograms and phonetic sounds. Adding to the seemingly insurmountable complexity, the Mayans also had the nasty habit of linking one common sound to four or five symbols, similar to the way modern Chinese does. Which just multiplied the ways you could get something wrong. Deciphering of a lot Mayan hieroglyphs continues to this day. But a good 80% to 85% has been deciphered. Yay!!!
Ive recently fallen in love with your stuff
The Rosetta Stone should be RETURNED to its people.
Modern egyptians have no relation to ancient egyptians. They literally used it as a brick in a wall. Better off in a museum where its safe
Cant wait to see Netflix try to make a show about Egyptians and totally not change their race or anything
Chris Pratt stars as Cleopatra and Danny Devito is Alexander
Or having an expert claim that her grandmother didn't care what they told you at school, Cleopatra was dark skinned. Wouldn't that be something?
I've seen Cleopatra IRL and I can tell you she's as dark as the void.
Cast all the Ptolemaic people as Albanians 🇦🇱. With Dua Lipa as Cleopatra.
@@jakobericsson1663that would be a relevant commentary only if the expert's grandma had 2000 years, which I somehow am inclined to doubt...
“I also can’t eat the Rosetta Stone”
Well you’re just not trying hard enough Matt!
Now that’s the best way to do an ad! Good job! Quick and subtle not an entire five minutes of your video
I would suggest a proper food plan in place for Extra History, nice to have sponsors like Factor but a food plan would help majorly.
Also Napoleon himself had a foe waiting for him in the wings: Bnuuies.
Sometimes, a leap in understanding is solely due to blind luck.
I wonder what else is locked under sand and rocks.
6:58 This Italian strongman (a.k.a. The Great Belzoni) probably deserves his own episode
9:01 And whole chapters of Human history were finally within or grasp.
Bankes decoding hieroglyphs and being able to read them must have been the most satisfying human experience in history.
While linguistics was just barely born as a science at that time, the act of comparing languages described is work of its predecessor: Philology. It wasn't until Saussure in the early 1900's that the linguistics would pick up steam, as far as I remember.
what an amazing story, and well-told
what a great episode thank you Extra History
Cosmos by Carl Sagan has a great version of the story. “He went to the temple by torchlight and read words off the walls which hadn’t been spoken in more than 1000 years.”
You'd think people would now start calling it the Rashid Stone.
"...I also can't *eat* the Rosetta Stone." That's quitter talk right there!
You can't tell me what to do!
Can't eat the Rosetta Stone? Pffft! Watch me!
They thought they'd find powerful lost knowledge, and they only found out about tax law from a defunct regime.
Hey, 2000 years from now some future archaeologists will probably decipher the lost English language by reading the Spanish and Hmong translations of the "if you need a translation, please call this number" section of some random healthcare or financial documents.
Did you watch the video? The powerful lost knowledge of the hieroglyphs was regained thanks to this stone
@_wayward_494 And what good was it? Did it contain the secret to immortality or anti-gravity? No, just taxes. Not even useful because that regime stopped collecting taxes over a thousand years ago. Obsolete information about taxes.
Thanks for explaining how champollion deciphered the hieroglyphs, Greek, and the demoniac language
We need at least one episode on the great Giovanni Belzoni and his contribution to early Egyptology.
The term 'Rosetta Stone' is now used to refer to the essential clue to a new field of knowledge.
what a fascinating tale we do not hear enough about
I had the pleasure of seeing this tablet in the British museum. it's bigger than I expected and is incredible
Congrats on Episode 150!
I learn something new in these videos. I always assumed the Rosetta stone was made in the bronze age and not the Ptolemy dynasty.
You know making the discovery of the century running to your siblings house and fainting is honestly not an overreaction like mood
I finally started hello fresh and yeah it’s worth it thanks for recommending it to me
10 minutes live and u got 2.4k already. Keep up the good work
Oh this is a great story.
So much history I wish I had been told about in school.
Great video! I’ve heard of the Rosetta Stone but I thought it was something like a “Batman decoder” made out of rocks. I do realize how stupid that sounds now, but that is why content like this is so important. Thanks!
Of course the Rosetta Stone was about taxes
The other possibility was complaining about low quality copper ore.
And the Egyptians were obsessed with death. Fitting.
Most writing was about taxes for most of the history of writing.
@@fakjbf3129 "I understood that reference." - Capt. Steve Rogers, U.S. Army (retd.)
Huge missed opportunity to have Rosetta Stone as the sponsor for this video
Best Rosetta Stone video: British Museum, by the worlds expert.
Another great video
Always fun to see footage of the real Zoey during the sponsor segment.
Fascinating. Great video!
I *still* hear that heiroglyphics are pictograms and that never made any sense to me, because you can't make a language using only pictures of things. It just doesn't work. You can't draw a picture of so many complex concepts. Glad to know that thats not the case.
Yay I’m glad you post
In an alternate universe someone just looked at it as something they could break.
Love your videos guys! So imformativr!😊😊😊❤❤❤
9:09 you can't with that attitude.
The whole rosetta stone situation is just a God's gift to mankind ❤
Awesome content.
British Write graffiti on priceless ancient artifact.
Every Historian: BRING ME SOME TEA AND A HARBOR.
5:50 Japanese is not entirely logographic like Chinese. Kanji is Logographic, like how our symbols like emojis or the number "3," or most of the Chinese language. But kana, like Hiragana is a syllabary. It's not an alphabet but it is a phonetic script.
We get it bro, you watch anime.