Dynasty Warriors - Top 10 Rivalries

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  • @nathanhamrick1757
    @nathanhamrick1757 2 роки тому +19

    NightOwl I love the work that you do because it connects me to my childhood. The music, the characters, the stories; thank you for bringing my past back with your videos!

  • @djblue056
    @djblue056 2 роки тому +28

    Love your content! I always felt like Lu Bu against the three brothers should be on here somewhere. I know it’s too much to ask but I always wished Koei would flesh out more of these like they did with the number 1, 2, and 3 on your list. But I know nowadays that’s impossible. There’s way too many characters in the series now. Now it’s pretty much kingdom based. I liked having new characters but I always was disappointed that it came at the cost of fleshing out more characters. I’d love to see Ma Chao having a conversation with Zhao Yun about Wang Yi. In earlier games they did a lot of that.

    • @TheNightowlGaming
      @TheNightowlGaming  2 роки тому +4

      Yeah I feel this 100% I think there are enough characters and the story is pretty well done, they just need to now develop the underdevelop characters along with their relationship dynamics and parts in the story, respectively. And they've added lots of fictional elements so as long as it isnt anything that deviates to far away from the story or characters, im game for any and all improvements for the underdeveloped characters

    • @djblue056
      @djblue056 2 роки тому

      @@TheNightowlGaming preach! Hopefully 10 does that for us whenever it comes out

    • @ShadowOfCicero
      @ShadowOfCicero 8 місяців тому

      But then they would have to admit what Ma Chao did: took hostages to try to force a rival's surrender and killed them when it didn't work.
      "Hello. My name is Wang Yi. You killed my son. Prepare to die."

    • @justinlast2lastharder749
      @justinlast2lastharder749 2 місяці тому

      I love Zhao Yun, because duh Title Card Boy, but even though he is the main "good guy" in every Title Sequence against Lu Bu....they never actually do anything with Zhao Yun. He doesn't have a story but he's the "Main Guy".

  • @dylanwoodward5256
    @dylanwoodward5256 Рік тому +22

    I always felt like Koei had trouble with Ma Chao when it came to Wang Yi. He wants revenge and tries to kill Cao Cao a number of times claiming its justice, but acts like Wang is unreasonable in her desire for vengeance to kill him. Did they really want him to seem like an egotistical villian???

    • @TheNightowlGaming
      @TheNightowlGaming  Рік тому +2

      Yeah Im not sure lol but hopefully they buildon it cause both characters need more content. Ma Chao had one cutscene in DW9, crazy

    • @ShadowOfCicero
      @ShadowOfCicero 8 місяців тому +4

      The only way it works is if you claim Ma Chao as a legitimate authority but Cao Cao as an illegitimate one. Accepting this premise, Cao Cao's actions were atrocities, while Ma Chao's merely necessary evils.
      That's probably giving it far more thought than they gave it. I think they bet everything on "Green man good, blue man evil," and hoped you didn't dig deeper.

    • @Banditlord52
      @Banditlord52 7 місяців тому +4

      Yeah, that's my problem with Ma Chao. He comes off as a massive hypocrite as he's basically hating Cao Cao for destroying his village, but he did the same thing to Wang Yi's village, too. Doesn't help that I can't tell if Koei intended this or not because they barely touch on the subject.

    • @ShadowOfCicero
      @ShadowOfCicero 7 місяців тому

      Having now read most of ROTK, the secret sauce is... the Girdle Edict. The Emperor had ordered Cao Cao's assassination, and Ma Teng, among others, had answered the call. Cao Cao used treachery to strike first. So Ma Chao is simply finishing what his father started, while Wang Yi has defied the will of the Emperor by siding with Cao Cao as the enemy of her enemy.

    • @justinlast2lastharder749
      @justinlast2lastharder749 2 місяці тому

      Always like Ma Chao. I just prefer the Spear/Pike/Glaive Characters. Dude was the perfect balance of Zhao Yun and Lu Bu

  • @michaelbandada8330
    @michaelbandada8330 2 роки тому +10

    The Top Three Rivalries in the Dynasty Warriors Series
    Cao Cao vs Liu Bei- these two guys have different ideologies which made them go against each other every time they face off in the battlefield. Even though Wu is part of the Three Kingdoms, it’s Wei and Shu Han who always try to beat the living crap out of each other and their respective hypothetical routes in Dynasty Warriors 8 depict the final battle between Liu Bei and Cao Cao
    Zhuge Liang vs Sima Yi- a clash of brilliance between two men who are intellectualy dominant with both of them trying to outsmart each other and neither man wants to be overshadowed by the other
    Guan Yu vs Xiahou Dun- the two of them are always at each other’s throats with Xiahou Dun showing jealousy towards Guan Yu due to Cao Cao’s obsession towards him and despite not being involved in Guan Yu’s fall at Fan Castle in both real life and in Romance of the Three Kingdoms, Xiahou Dun doesn’t give a crap, all he wants is to kill Guan Yu, period!

    • @TheNightowlGaming
      @TheNightowlGaming  2 роки тому +1

      Couldnt have said it better myself, glad to see agreeance on the top 3 😁

    • @michaelbandada8330
      @michaelbandada8330 2 роки тому +2

      @@TheNightowlGaming Cao Cao and Liu Bei are two men who are completely opposite of each other and they are destined to be rivals, fighting for total control of the land with Wu stuck in the middle like a third wheel in the Wei-Shu Han feud although if Sun Ce didn’t get killed way too soon, he wouldn’t like the idea of being considered the third wheel and he would try to pick a fight with both Cao Cao and Liu Bei in order to establish his kingdom’s supremacy
      Cao Cao: You are a threat to my ambition, Liu Bei! You either acknowledge my authority or get crushed!
      Liu Bei: I shall not let your power hungry ways compromise the lives of the people here in this land! I shall create a land where everyone are able to live peacefully without being harassed by war!
      Cao Cao: Your silly idealism will get you killed one of these days, Liu Bei!
      Sun Ce: SHADDUP! We are sick and tired of you guys making this whole conflict centered on the two of you! You know what, I challenge you both to a fight! Cao Cao, Liu Bei and Sun Ce, a three way battle to secure total control of China! Bring it on, losers!

    • @drasticmeasures4136
      @drasticmeasures4136 11 місяців тому

      I don’t hate Xiahou Dun but this rivalry is what makes me dislike him. His disdain makes him unlikable to me, his personality just aint it. Still love the rivalry though, Guan Yu just for being a living legend alone barely even acknowledging that himself made so many enemies

    • @NoelJohnCarlo
      @NoelJohnCarlo 6 місяців тому

      ​@@michaelbandada8330 HAHAHAHA!!! I read that with DW6-DW8 English Voices! XD

  • @thane3186
    @thane3186 Рік тому +7

    One rivalry that I believe a lot of people tend to overlook was Cao Pi vs. Sun Quan, maybe not as much in the early DW games but after they made Cao Pi playable in DW5. You get to see how similar in status they are within their kingdoms, mostly during the last series of battles for Wu. They attempt to lead their home kingdom with very different ideals. Sun Quan values and shows appreciation for his dad’s motivation and ideology, while Cao Pi disregards Cao Cao’s, with him stating so right off the bat. Plus their wives Zhenji and Lianshi also duel one another throughout the games. Wouldn’t say that this is the most significant rivalry but Cao Pi basically became the “final boss” for Wu’s story in battles like Dongkou (222) and sometimes He Fei Castle (234).

    • @TheNightowlGaming
      @TheNightowlGaming  Рік тому

      I can definitely see that and potentially a good honorable mention for sure

  • @smproductionswrestling3667
    @smproductionswrestling3667 2 роки тому +11

    Great list again dude!
    There are two (friendly) rivalries I kinda wish the games touch on more though. And they basically haven't touch on them at all since DW4. (I'm not sure if it was in DW9 or not cause I've played and watched very little of it) And those are Huang Zhong vs Guan Yu and Ma Chao vs Zhang Fei. Both these duos dueled eachother and was the reason for both Huang Zhong and Ma Chao joining Liu Bei in the end. I love that in DW4 some battles have some kind of unique dialogue for these two pairs interacting. I recall playing Ma Chao at Tong Gate once and Zhang Fei (for some reason) showed up as reinforcements with Pang Tong (which is pretty weird in context but anyways) and Zhang Fei would say something like "What's wrong Ma Chao? You're tired already?" or something like that LOL. The games also don't touch on Zhang Fei's duel with Ma Chao anymore, in DW4 at Liu Bei's campaign for Chengdu if you play as someone else and let the AIs of Zhang Fei and Ma Chao fight for a while(and yes, they are scripted to meet eachother in battle) there were lines of them acknowledging eachother as great fighters as well. Even in some of the made up stages for the Others characters like in "Campaign against Liu Bei, once you beat Guan Yu, Huang Zhong shows up for revenge and if you beat Zhang Fei, Ma Chao shows up. Which is honestly pretty darn cool. There are a few cutscenes with Guan Yu and Huang Zhong in DW7 but outside of those they don't really interact very often. I hope they bring these up more in future games, it would give even more of a sense bond and respect between these Shu officers and really make them feel like they're actually a team. Comparing these characters to ones in Wei and Wu and they feel very weak and pretty unrelated. I mean in DW8XL Yu Jin and Pang De have unique dialogues praising eachother despite they don't even have that much to do with eachother outside of Fan Castle. Yet we get basically nothing for those Shu officers and I've always find that pretty funny. XD

    • @TheNightowlGaming
      @TheNightowlGaming  2 роки тому +3

      What an interesting read, appreciate the love! Yeah I totally agree, I read that Ma Chao and Zhang Fei dueled and talked about it in both his video and the strongest DW vid. It would be cool if they expanded on the relationship dynamics between most of the characters and really flesh and really well bonding kind of moment for the characters for the game. I talked about it with someone else in another comment, but 100% agree there's so much more they can flesh out with the characters and their relationships with one another

    • @tonys9397
      @tonys9397 10 місяців тому +1

      I was just about to mention this. Ofc it also because 4 was the best game (only partially kidding)

  • @proxythefool
    @proxythefool 2 роки тому +10

    Wow it's crazy that this was recommended to me. I've never played a Dynasty Warriors game before, but I'm considering it. As someone who is recently becoming more interested in historical Chinese wars and the historical fantasy genre in general, but isn't a fan of the more simple minded hack and slash gameplay of DW, is it worth getting into this series?

    • @TheNightowlGaming
      @TheNightowlGaming  2 роки тому

      Wow thats amazing that this was recommended to you, so cool to hear! I think the best game to play would be Dynasty Warriors 8 Extreme Legends: Complete Edition. Now I havent played it personally yet cause I dont own it, but its probably the best dynasty warriors game to date because it has both historical and hypothetical routes you can take along with some extra content and dialogue for some of the others (dont quote me 100% on that, but from comments I've read that seems to be the case). So glad you clicked on the video, hope you enjoyed it!

  • @oceanvibes9701
    @oceanvibes9701 2 роки тому +4

    I agree with these! Great video once again my guy🔥🔥

  • @PhuongTran-hm4dy
    @PhuongTran-hm4dy 3 місяці тому

    I like it that you used most of the cutscenes from DW5 truly where the improvements are obvious in both quality and impactfulness.

  • @tommydixon4871
    @tommydixon4871 2 роки тому +4

    Amazing video and my favorites rivals in dynasty warriors are sima yi the sleeping dragon the battle they with insight is so famous

    • @TheNightowlGaming
      @TheNightowlGaming  2 роки тому +1

      Appreciate the kind words and totally agree!

    • @tommydixon4871
      @tommydixon4871 2 роки тому

      @@TheNightowlGaming anytime and dynasty warriors will always be my favorite game ❤️

  • @Azzaroni
    @Azzaroni 2 роки тому +4

    Such a good video 🔥

  • @RolandTheLight
    @RolandTheLight 3 місяці тому

    Those are some interesting rivalries, I enjoyed them!

  • @rlgb3945
    @rlgb3945 2 роки тому +8

    I’m making a prediction before I even watch this whole thing. If it’s not Simi Yi & Zhuge Liang or Guan Yu & Dun this list is a lie & flawed

    • @TheNightowlGaming
      @TheNightowlGaming  2 роки тому

      They were 2 and 3! Liu Bei and Cao Cao are the only ones that have such a strong, direct confrontation that also 100% acknowledge as not only threats but worthy rivals of talent. Hope that makes sense, Osu!

    • @michaelbandada8330
      @michaelbandada8330 2 роки тому

      @@TheNightowlGaming Romance of the Three Kingdoms aka The Conflict Between Cao Cao and Liu Bei with Wu and Other Dudes Stuck in Between

  • @leonardostevensen77
    @leonardostevensen77 Рік тому +3

    i can only imagined if zhuge liang and sima yi or zhou yu playing chess with each other😂

    • @TheNightowlGaming
      @TheNightowlGaming  Рік тому

      lol it would be like that arc from Hunter x Hunter but yeah it'd be interesting lol

  • @karabomafa5609
    @karabomafa5609 Рік тому +4

    Wang Yi vs MA Chao should be number 1..just off the basis of Wang Yi's pure hatred for the guy 😂

  • @uraninezak
    @uraninezak 2 роки тому +4

    This one was pretty meh in the first half but I like the top 5. I would've reordered it a bit, but I like them.

    • @TheNightowlGaming
      @TheNightowlGaming  2 роки тому

      Interesting 👀 I appreciate it! 😁

    • @uraninezak
      @uraninezak 2 роки тому

      @@TheNightowlGaming I think you're favorite rivalries are influenced hard by when you jumped into the series. I never cared for Huang Zhong and Xiahou Yuan until DW7. However, since DW6, the Cao Cao and Sima Yi dynamic is great

    • @TheNightowlGaming
      @TheNightowlGaming  2 роки тому

      @@uraninezak Oh yeah I could see that, but I didnt include that because DW7 and on, Sima Yi is more of a loyal retainer then someone of opposition to Cao Cao. He actually seems to respect Cao Cao and Cao Pi for what they''ve built and the vision they had for the land :)

  • @storymaker2021
    @storymaker2021 11 місяців тому +1

    Lu Bu vs Zhao Yun

  • @dantles
    @dantles Рік тому +1

    here is 2 interesting things, first one xiahou dun was not even soldier, he was politician and second one xiahou dun is favorite character of DW game creator, imagine that

    • @TheNightowlGaming
      @TheNightowlGaming  Рік тому +1

      Yup super interesting, its probably because he is the creators favorite he made him more badass than he ever was, which im not complaining!

    • @dantles
      @dantles Рік тому

      @@TheNightowlGaming yeah I haven't seen anyone that don't like him, xiahou dun is popular character

    • @karabomafa5609
      @karabomafa5609 Рік тому

      I think people make the mistake of referencing historical documents and forget that Dynasty Warriors is mostly based off the fictional Romance of the Three Kingdoms novel

  • @bramp3914
    @bramp3914 Рік тому

    On Mata Nui, I learned that no one stood alone.
    On Metru Nui, I learned that actions, not fate, defined a hero.
    On Voya Nui, I learned what it means to be determined, to face your fears.
    On Mahri Nui, I learned what sacrifice truly means.
    On Karda Nui, I learned to never give up, even in the darkest hour.
    On Bara Magna, I learned that anyone, anywhere, can be a hero.
    United in Duty, Bound in Destiny.
    That is the way of the Bionicle.

  • @missxmettastars5740
    @missxmettastars5740 Рік тому +1

    I really like your videos XD
    So yeah ofc my the rivals are funny
    Cao and Yuan
    Zhang and Gan
    Dun and Guan ( he really hates guan yu) XD

  • @Blahto_realToto
    @Blahto_realToto 5 місяців тому +1

    Xu You and Zhang He vs the rest of Yuan Shao's incompetent officers xD
    Lu Bu and whoever he was serving xD
    There's some kind of mutual dislike between Gao Shun and Chen Gong.
    Cao Pi and Cao Zhi, actually might be one sided on Cao Pi's side.

  • @tonys9397
    @tonys9397 10 місяців тому

    For a few friendly ones from the book
    Pang Tong and Zhuge Liang both studied with Sima hui and the tv series implies Pang Tong got himself killed to prove he was better
    Huang Zhong and Guan Yu they duel and earn each others respect

  • @michaelay4900
    @michaelay4900 Рік тому +2

    Taishi Ci VS Sun Ce deserve a shout

    • @TheNightowlGaming
      @TheNightowlGaming  Рік тому

      I could see the argument for it, but the rivalry didnt last very long haha

    • @dokuganryu1565
      @dokuganryu1565 8 місяців тому

      Maybe for Top 10 Bromances. I'd add to that "Sun Ce and Zhou You" and "Sun Quan and Zhou Tai"

  • @djn6962
    @djn6962 5 місяців тому

    Another good rivalry that is shared within a single kingdom is Deng Ai vs Zhong Hui.
    I don’t know that it is more prominent than anything on your list, as it doesn’t get fleshed out quite as well. Probably an honorable mention at best.

    • @TheNightowlGaming
      @TheNightowlGaming  5 місяців тому +1

      Deng Ai in the games also seems to not really acknowledge it, seems very oblivious to it

    • @djn6962
      @djn6962 5 місяців тому

      @@TheNightowlGamingthat is pretty true. I guess it was more a historical/novelized rivalry, less reflected in the games. Probably to make Zhong Hui come off more as an annoyance people just tolerate haha

  • @gk2370
    @gk2370 5 місяців тому

    Some of my favourite rivalries not mentioned in the video.
    Sun Ce vs Taishi Ci = even though it's more of a one time moment, it's one of my favourite rivalries because of the mutual respect they have for one another.
    Deng Ai vs Jiang Wei = I always enjoyed that one

    • @TheNightowlGaming
      @TheNightowlGaming  5 місяців тому

      deng ai vs jiang wei was a good one, but the way Deng is portrayed in the games he doesnt seem to acknowledge it, in the novel for sure htough

  • @nigartarikh4354
    @nigartarikh4354 Рік тому +2

    Cao Pi VS Sun Quan

  • @justinlast2lastharder749
    @justinlast2lastharder749 2 місяці тому

    I have a Copy of "The Art Of War" that was edited by Cao Cao and has an Introduction Chapter from Zhuge Liang. It is one of my "prized possessions"

  • @ninjareema9803
    @ninjareema9803 5 місяців тому

    My fav is ling ton vs ganing
    And I respect Sima yi vs zhuge liang
    Zhu ran vs lu xun

  • @keyblademasterclark
    @keyblademasterclark 3 місяці тому

    I'd like to give Zhuge Dan vs Sima Zhao an honorable mention

  • @TheKingofAndrosica
    @TheKingofAndrosica Рік тому +1

    I agree with you

  • @danielgaines9935
    @danielgaines9935 8 місяців тому

    The books go into more detail about Zhou Yu and Kongming. Kongming makes him look pathetic many times over.

  • @JoobyMcGee
    @JoobyMcGee Рік тому +1

    I apologize in advance but am I crazy or did Koei deliberately make a few of Wang Yi lines sound like she's straddling the line between wanting to kill him and wanting to F**k him. I genuinely don't mean to sound creepy, but some of her lines straight up sound like she's getting off on the idea of kill him. I'm not crazy am i? Someone else hears it too, right?

  • @allenaju1856
    @allenaju1856 5 місяців тому

    With the new Dynasty Warriors Origins we might see character development and characteristics change. The new game looks like a revive for the game.

  • @iangenuine
    @iangenuine Рік тому +1

    Do an armies video

  • @CoachSMETAGaming
    @CoachSMETAGaming 2 роки тому +2

    🔥🔥🔥

  • @TheKingofAndrosica
    @TheKingofAndrosica Рік тому

    Lubu and Dong Bai

  • @charlesfarley28
    @charlesfarley28 Рік тому

    I dig your stuff but man does "I think it's a solid choice for the spot." get old after hearing it on each and every entry.

    • @TheNightowlGaming
      @TheNightowlGaming  Рік тому

      True true, they're comfort filler words when I record audio for the vids, working on it, appreciate it tho 🤙

  • @cubemaster2007
    @cubemaster2007 Рік тому +1

    Kinda shocked they didnt ship Ma Chao and Wang Yi, when it first popped up, i thought thats where it was going but nope. Disappointed sadly

    • @TheNightowlGaming
      @TheNightowlGaming  Рік тому

      Yeah they really should build on it, I talk about it in both of their analysis videos that Ma Chao doesn't seem to notice this woman is trying to kill him intensely lol

  • @FnRenner
    @FnRenner 4 місяці тому

    #1 should be Guan Yu VS life

  • @animathehallowed1380
    @animathehallowed1380 5 місяців тому

    OK, I’m just starting the video. If Gan Ning and Ling Tong ain’t #1 this entire ranking is invalid.

  • @danielbudiono7232
    @danielbudiono7232 Рік тому

    ma chao vs cao cao should not be on the list because of how one sided it is.

  • @rlgb3945
    @rlgb3945 2 роки тому +2

    No I don’t agree

  • @thewayweallgo2614
    @thewayweallgo2614 2 роки тому +8

    Impressive work, I think you can put everyone who dueled at the end of the DW7 like Zhang Fei/Lu Bu, Taishi Ci/Sun Ce, Jiang Wei/Deng Ai along with others in honorable mentions.