It can save it, if it erases everything from phases 4 and 5 and they reboot with X-men, which should have happened after Endgame after a break. If they proceed with stuff like Agatha, Captain Wilson Thunderbolts and Iron Heart, this movie won't matter.
@@kicknowledgesmith8608 there’s nothing that guarantees that we wouldn’t get awful entertainment in a rebooted universe like we’ve been getting recently.
[pours 2 40's for the corpses of MCU and DC movies] they're all dead Jim..... who's dead? all our heroes....don;'t you get it they killed em Jim? just tell me you'll get em [dies]
We have to see it first before having this conversation. Dead pool 2 was mid compared to the first movie. Ryan was overdoing the comedy in part 2 in my opinion.
Even if it is, it’ll still be a movie that will never perform as it could have because of how many of us are now boycotting the Rodent House and anything it’s attached to.
As far as saving the MCU? Hell no. I don't buy Pedro Pascal as Reed for a second and Ali has almost quit the production of Blade twice! The MCU is done.
Not sure how I feel, Logan was amazing, and I never had this hardcore desire like most fans to see a whole movie about Deadpool and Wolverine working together.
I don't count Deadpool movies as part of the MCU. They're part of the X-Men franchise if anything, which pre-dates MCU. I hope this movie is hugely successful, but it does nothing for the MCU.
I don't think you have to hope too hard. That's pretty much where my expectations are. You leave the theater and the marvels and eternals still happened. Iron Man is still dead. Cap is still old. Black panther is still Shuri. All of the excitement of this movie dies as soon as you leave the theater.
It will be like NWH then they will kill the momentum with mid characters and projects that follow. This should have released after Endgame or NWH. No one movie can save an entire franchise, the Marvels flopped after Guardians 3 did well. Guardians 3 was just left over from better times, Remember Gunn was fired, so it got delayed.
The simple reason why this movie can't and won't save the MCU is because after this movie releases, the Marvel projects that follow won't have the creativity, heart, passion, and joy for the source material that Ryan Reynolds, Hugh Jackman, Shawn Levy, and everyone else involved in the creative development of this movie look like they're bringing to Deadpool and Wolverine. Everything we've seen before this and likely after shows nothing but contempt not only for the source material, but the very movies leading up to Endgame, and we've seen nothing to indicate that's changing anytime in the future.
If anything people looking back on this movie will use it as a benchmark of how the MCU could have been played with outside of the initial main story MCU run and highlight just how bad the newer content handles things.
@@ravenshrike I think you're right, but with a caveat. We're so deep into the MCU by this point I don't think people will look back and use it as a benchmark like you described, but as a wasted opportunity to turn things around by using it as a springboard or a starting point for new, better stories than what we'd been given post-Endgame thus far.
Not for nothing but Hugh’s career outside Wolvie isn’t exactly burning up the box office. Sometimes people take jobs simply to remind people they exist.
It seems like nobody wants to acknowledge the fact that, apart from the brief cameo in Dr. Strange: Scarlet Witch Murders Everybody, the X-Men have never been acknowledged as part of the MCU. All of the X-Men movies, even the ones released during the MCU tenure, have been their own thing. Even the first Deadpool makes fun of it - "Oh, there's nobody but Nega and Colossus at the Xavier manor? I guess the studio can't afford any more X-Men?"
I still can’t fathom how Disney got the rights to X-Men 5 years ago and then shoved it the back of their production schedule behind Eternals, Black Widow, Shang Chi, Wakanda Forever, Thor 4, Quantumania, and The Marvels (not to mention all the D+ crap and scrapped/delayed projects).
I'm not sure if this is true or not but I've heard that Part of the deal was that they couldn't use Fox properties for a few years that's why we are seeing it now
The MCU was done at the end of Endgame. The only good movie since has been Spider-Man: No Way Home, and that was because of Sony. If this one succeeds it will be because of Fox.
@@chad534 No Way Home was awesome, you’re in denial or delusional, Willem Dafoe rocked that film as well as seeing Tobey and Andrew again was off the charts.
The entire "Deadpool 3 will save the MCU" is the narrative by the access media so they can continue to get access from Disney. It's gonna be like no way home how it's gonna be carried by it's cameos. The movie does have potential and I hope it is decent, but it could also be a complete mess with all the cameos.
Deadpool & Wolverine will likely save the MCU for a few months and then Marvel will go back to making mid movies again. Still, you need more than one movie to save the entire franchise 🤷
yup, but have to wait and see if this movie is good before having this conversation! This will probably be NWH all over again. This will be a finale for a well received character, just like Guardians 3. All these characters are from better times that audiences liked. This won't make everyone watch Agatha, Iron Heart, and Cap Falcon. Mom made money but was poor quality. There was no multiverse madness that many expected. They had an opportunity to bring back Spider man characters from the other universes. Also, it was poor sequel to the first movie.
Can't make necessary reforms if you are not willing to fire the people who created the problems you claim to want to fix in the first place. That's how you KNOW for certain that all the BS Iger is talking about "quieting down on the politics.. returning to great storytelling... Entertainment over message.." are nothing more than hollow platitudes. All of which are utterly meaningless. Had he been excited about bringing Nelson Peltz onto the Board at Disney "to gain from a new perspective and his decades of experience" , that would have at least shown some degree of willingness to do something different. But nope.... Talk - Action = Bullshit You can always gauge their level of sincerity by their actions! All the words, willingness and intentions mean jack squat without Action to back it up!
@@fictiong6247 No Way Home was a brilliant movie with a great send off, the only good thing from the MCU since Endgame, well technically Guardians of the Galaxy was also good but not as good as the previous GOTG movies, but I'll say it again, you missed out on No Way Home.
This issue is like a stock market graph with peaks and valleys. The long-term question is always the overall trajectory of the line, not whether a particular data point is up or down.
If a student fails 5 of the 6 test he has for the year, and happens to get an A in one exam, that doesn't save his grade point average. The same is true with Marvel, potentially, having one good film a sea of bad ones. If they use Deadpool 3 to course correct, there is a chance that Deadpool could be a foundation towards improvement, but if Marvel thinks they can go back to business as usual, they will continue their decline.
Oh my God. If they make a joke about that in the movie, I'll foam. XD Something like them running into her and Deadpool saying, "Hold up, where's Will Smith at? The script says he has to slap me."
Great Video. Inspector Harry Callahan also at the bar and pressing a .44 magnum against Deadpool’s head: “Why did you name yourself after a cop movie from the eighties punk?” Deadpool: “I loved you in that franchise” Callahan: “Then you are aware that I can blow your head clean off with my pals Smith and Wesson” Deadpool (squealing with excitement): “Go ahead… make my day!” Callahan:”You asked for it” Deadpool (head on the floor): “Worth it”
My friends and I used to all get together to see MCU premiers,but we haven’t done so in years. After we saw the trailer we all texted each other and decided to do this one more time. RIP MCU
That should've happened after Endgame. Same thing with the DCU. A 5 year pause after Aquaman 2 would've been beneficial. Let, some of, the stink of the DCEU wear off.
DP3 seems to prove there are people in and around Marvel that understand the problem. But that doesn’t mean those people are the majority or that they have enough power to turn the MCU Titanic around. It’s like the MCU is bouncing back and forth between icebergs and the DP3 crew is like, “Guys, seriously, we NEED to stop!” while Iger & crew are, “Nah, it’ll be fine.”
Keep in mind, several months ago there was this huge thing on the internet about Disney trying to interject a new ending into act 3 of DP that Ryan Reynolds was apparently trying to stop. Even if this movie sings, the core ethos of how Disney wants to push the message hasn't changed.
According to everything I found, when Feige immediately began making the predictable mistakes, the first being Firing Reynolds OG writing team with whom he worked with on the first 2 films, apparently it set Ryan Reynolds off! Apparently he made enough of an issue about it that (I can't remember if it was Chapek still or early return of Iger) apparently The Top Dog intervened on his behalf and Ordered Feige to can the pair of woke female rookies and rehire Reynolds original team! Then basically told him to "let Ryan do what we all know he very competently knows what to do". Basically giving him an unusual level of creative control. And allowed a page 1 rewrite of the script. Which is part of why it took longer than expected. I guess Iger told Ego boy Feige to give Ryan and his team the James Gunn treatment. Personally though, I am still kinda surprised that they kept their word by sticking to the R rating. Though I expect a 2nd PG-13 release has already been cut.
Nearing the end of the Infinity Saga, i remember reading some article where somebody said now that those characters stories are finished, the focus can be on the more interesting characters. They must have just hated the MCU and the fans of those movies and couldn't wait to ruin it.
“But she’s in the comics!” Yeah nobody cares. Just a way for Disney to justify a tiny frail bald headed woman to man-handle the most masculine hero in the universe.
Well, she could be using Telepathy to control Wolverine's mind and make him move his body like that. She could also be using Telekinesis to do the same thing.
@@Zac_Frost at around 11:30 Mauler brings up Cassandra Nova having telekinesis, then a few seconds later shows her manipulating Wolverine's body and Critical Drinker says he doesn't if that's her manipulating his mind (telepathy) or the adamantium in his body in reference to Magneto's control over metals. I'll just concede my point because none of this is real anyways and i am excited to see this movie so I'll stop being a debbie downer.
@@montgomerynovak2194 Hey, you're not wrong for pointing it out. I was just saying it's easy to confuse the ideas. I'm kinda hyped to see it, too. Been a while since I've been hyped to see a superhero flick lol.
I do like the small details they took with Wolverine. His claws coming from the top of his hands (instead of between his fingers) is more true to the comics. The comics costume is pretty cool too. I always preferred the orange and brown costume, but i like the effort.
Remember, it was Fox who developed these characters in the live action versions. Now that Disney has reacquired fox, they'll mostly likely take the credit for Deadpool vs Wolverines' success.
One thing I can't stand about the excuse of "superhero fatigue " is that the time that so called fatigue set in is when the wokeness started. There was no fatigue, we all wanted good films.
Thing is movies are meant to be seen by everyone if you put your own personal politics in it then your causing a divide within the audience, talking down to one side.
"It's like a funeral more than it is a rejuvenation.........we all smile, a couple laughs, but it's still a funeral." 😂😂 Longman? This is EXACTLY why I love ya so much, buddy 😄: I can't think of ANYONE (-except maybe LittlePlatoon and, off-and-on, The Drinker) who not only hits the nail on the head SO accurately and SO simply....but also does it in such a cynically poetic and comedic way 👌💯. I can't think of ANYONE who would have thought to phrase this movie, especially given strong positive trailer reaction , as a funeral or eulogy.....yet that is, indeed, EXACTLY what it will be. Well played, Nostradamus 👏, lol. You're a gem, mate, never change. If the world had more mordant people like yourself I probably wouldn't constantly want to smash my head into the nearest brick wall 😄.
A year or 2 ago I would have gladly looked forward to this movie. After all the disappointment and let down I’ve gotten used to not seeing movies, and honestly I just refuse to give my money to people who hate. I don’t care how good it is, Disney can go f itself and I look forward to enjoying my favorite ips once they’ve forced to sell them off to keep the lights on. In the meantime I’ve got decades worth of classics to enjoy
If they had any sense they would use this movie to kill of all the current MCU and have these two reboot the MCU having Disney licence the movie out ... but that's never going to happen.
Maybe not 'never'. I think it could happen, but would require some sort of global financial crisis. Huge sell off on the market and megacorps like Disney are forced to downsize, sell off assets. We're kinda due for a crash. Been a while.
It took ten years to get to End Game, and it would take take 10 more years of QUALITY films to restore Marvel's tarnished legacy. But honestly, who has that kind of time?
Part of the MCUs success came from its ability to build momentum. Iron Man 2 prepped audiences for The Avengers and the Avengers set up for Thanos and the infinity saga. Currently the MCU is stuck in a pit and it’s going to need multiple smash hits and a new goal to get forward momentum again. Dead pool and Wolverine has nowhere to go after this movie, Jackman won’t be doing more movies, (without extremely lucrative contracts), and Deadpool is not a character to build the MCU around, people may get hyped for this movie but how can it sell the next one? I could be wrong but audiences seem resigned to the MCU and I don’t see one movie changing that sentiment
As long as Disney are making MCU films they are doomed, but this movie will certainly get people back so you might get a small audience bump for next few films.
"harkens back to that different era of superhero movies when things were kind of new and exciting and wow we're doing X-Men and we're starting to do Marvel movies and it's all it's all very cool and interesting and you know we've lost a lot of that for obvious reasons" Pepperidge Farm Remembers.
I feel like they could do the straight man/funny guy buddy cop type of deal. That'd work pretty well. Hugh Jackman does have a great deadpan sense of humor about him, as well.
Wow, 5 years I haven't set foot in a theater.....that might change for this movie. But I sure hell not going to go on release weekend. It's going to need some good word of mouth!
@@LastSunrise1981 Yeah. As grating as he can be at times, it does seem like Ryan genuinely cares about the fans and wants to give them the best product he can.
@@username.exenotfound2943 Nothing wrong with nostalgia bait. The real concern is the bait and switch woke agenda. But I do trust Ryan Reynolds in doing the right thing.
The MCU was one and done. Nothing can recreate the excitement of ‘wow. They’re bringing in Ant-man. Wow. They’re bringing in Dr Strange. Oh, look. There’s Stan Lee.’ This movie will make a ton of money but it can’t revive the MCU.
Thing is that Ryan is a fan, he knows this stuff inside and out and finally has enough power to push the comic correctness, both Ryan and Hugh are artists and as such want to do a good job for the sake of doing a good job, not because of pushing “the message“, also Ryan and Hugh have great chemistry and bounce off of each other in a great way.
Not only will Deadpool & Wolverine not save the MCU, it wont get me in the theater or a dime of my money. Good or bad, I’m still boycotting the Rodent House.
X-3 The Last Stand was a Good send off. Wolverine: Origins was a Good send off. X-Men: Days of Futures Past was a Good send off Logan was a Good send off Deadpool and Wolverine will be a Good send off And Finally 🤞🏻 , Secret Wars WILL be a Good send off. *Leave Hugh Jackman Alone*
as a big MCU fan i've asked various friends and ppl around me what they think... the dominating reply... "Meh.. i'll wait till its free or a few quid on Amazon" I think that sums up the lost trust.
well the whole "SAVE THE MCU" narrative we know is being parodied in this movie because in the first trailer we already got a "marvel jesus" joke from deadpool... so i think once deadpool himself starts making fun of the 'dead marvel' narrative it's time to find a new one.
All the DEI and ESG crap Disney has forced into their stuff, and the film starring two straight white men is gonna be the only thing that makes them any real money. 🤣
You lot have been chanting "Go Woke, Go Broke" for years now. But Hollywood's still standing. You right wingers aren't as important as you think you are.
The F Bombs. Love it. In my mind it's not really an MCU movie. But you never know, the movie might finally make this Multiverse Saga make sense. This is the superhero movie I want to see as a Canadian. The one thing that I will give this movie prematurely is Ryan Reynolds has his ear to the ground for fans and is great on social media... and teasing a movie with Wolverine for years. Hugh Jackman did not need to come back. He made it happen and I am already happy with the performance with the trailer alone ❤
So much wasted properties in that universe. And when Disney first got the ip I was excited because I figured they'd have the budget to make what we wanted. I didn't know how badly corrupted they were at the time.
The big problem with the banking on the Marvel universe is that the vast majority of Marvel titles didn't do that well. The tent pole characters (Spiderman, Ironman, Thor, et al) were the big money makers. Thinking that every Marvel character can carry a movie that will carry the MCU is wishful thinking and ignores Marvel's history. The Avengers saga was the only thing that was going to make a lot of money, especially when you consider the handcuffs put on script writers by Disney. Disney was arguably the worst thing to happen to the MCU.
I wouldnt be surprised if Secret Wars was the last MCU movie, especially seeing as they havent revealed any projects beyond it. The MCU is going to be one of those things like the last season of Game of Thrones where people will talk about how good it was for awhile and what they would have done it to fix it and how its a shame they couldn't have done those things to save it.
Not a chance of saving it. Not too happy that it follows on from Loki, because I have no intention of watching that! Just for context, the Guardians movies have been more popular and have made more money than the Deadpool movies, and none of those have broke a billion dollars at the box office
Wolverine is always showcased like a loser, drinking at bars, always letting people down. MAKE HIM MOVE ON. We got points in this Wolverine's existence where he was becoming something else, like at the end of X-Men: The Last Stand (despite how bad that movie is), and Days of Future Past, where Wolverine actually becomes something else, than the drunk hobo he's always portrayed as, on the same chronological story. But, it's pointless to ask for character development, when Jackman is only being brought back as the nostalgia act for a movie that no one would have cared for if it wasn't for Jackman's presence.
I met Jackman in a mundane setting nearly 20 years ago and two things struck me: #1 the man is TALL, and #2 the man is GREAT to his fans. A kid & his dad near us recognized him & the kid started whispering intensely. Jackman realized it and asked how they were, so the father explained that the kid was wondering where Jackman's claws were. Jackman chuckled, held up his hands, and told the kid that he had to keep them hidden in his hands when he wasn't fighting bad guys. The dad laughed but the kid nodded in that serious way kids have when you've explained something ludicrous that to them makes perfect sense. He could have been a total dick, maybe explained that the was just an actor or something and ruined the kid's illusion, but instead he was friendly and did everything he could to make both of them have a positive memorable story to tell.
It will set up the secret wars story arc for the next Avengers films, these will likely be cameo heavy also, akin to endgame. Im not a fan of recent marvel films, but im still hopeful for those films to do well. I'm certainly a comics fan, so seeing these characters on the big screen is something i'll always like to see. I hope they can pull it off as well as endgame. DC has nothing at the moment, so Marvel is the only real avenue for the wealth of comic stories out there at the moment.
Much as I wish it wasn't, the reality is that this is a dead cat bounce for the MCU - because it's not about superheroes, it's about two very specific (and well-loved) characters, made by people who actually respect those characters. Unless this is a proper reset for the entire MCU multiverse (ie undoing Loki's ending, which was the actual good thing about that series), it won't and shouldn't make a difference. As for the Marvel management maybe sitting up and paying attention to the criticism that's inevitably going to be part of DP3, it's far more likely that they'll treat it like a celebrity roast - have a good old chuckle about it in public, be a bit bitter about it in private, and then move forward as though it didn't happen.
I still expect Disney to find a way to ruin this. I know there's been rumors about Reynold's not being happy and the 3rd act a mess, though I can't find any sources. However, it wouldn't surprise me if true. Or if they want this to fail as an excuse to take full control of Deadpool.
No it wont, but its a hell of a goodbye.
True. A final farewell of sorts
We had 3 goodbyes already...
It can save it, if it erases everything from phases 4 and 5 and they reboot with X-men, which should have happened after Endgame after a break. If they proceed with stuff like Agatha, Captain Wilson Thunderbolts and Iron Heart, this movie won't matter.
Guardians 3 was the third goodbye, I think, at least for their story.
@@kicknowledgesmith8608 there’s nothing that guarantees that we wouldn’t get awful entertainment in a rebooted universe like we’ve been getting recently.
Gonna be a No Way Home/Guardians 3 situation imo. The last gasps of a dying Universe.
Pretty much if the next release is Captain Falcon.
EXACTLY. 💯👍💯. That’s pretty much what it is.
@@kicknowledgesmith8608Bro Captain Falcon is cooked lol
@@kicknowledgesmith8608 I dunno man the idea of President Han Solo turning into the Red Hulk is pretty damn exciting lol
@@fr0ck360 yea no one asked for it. lol Steve Rogers is Cap. They bring him back, that would succeed if they get good writers and directors.
Its last call boys. Lets enjoy one last round, before we pour one out for what could have been.
Perfect assessment …poignant succinct and sad.
ACCURATE
Thank God it's over.
[pours 2 40's for the corpses of MCU and DC movies]
they're all dead Jim.....
who's dead?
all our heroes....don;'t you get it they killed em Jim? just tell me you'll get em [dies]
Hopefully we'll at least get to see these two characters go out on a high note.
It doesn't have to save it. It can just be a good film on it's own.
We have to see it first before having this conversation. Dead pool 2 was mid compared to the first movie. Ryan was overdoing the comedy in part 2 in my opinion.
💯
Deadpool 2 may be mid but it’s better than anything from Phase 4 and 5.
Agreed. The MCU is already dead. Just let Deadpool be it's own thing.
Even if it is, it’ll still be a movie that will never perform as it could have because of how many of us are now boycotting the Rodent House and anything it’s attached to.
MCU is DEAD dedpite Deadpool 3. A band-aid can't fix a gaping wound.
Very true.
It really does seem more like a Fox movie that’s allowed to reference the MCU than the other way round.
A good long pause and a complete house cleaning at Disney and Marvel could. But Corporate Hollywood doesn't understand such concepts.
@@atalcot1well it is basically Deadpool Kills off the Fox Marvel Universe... A variation on the comic run DP kills the Marvel Universe.
Big corporations and Hollywood won't change until "THE MESSAGE" and "diversity" is completely erased from their agenda.
Logan was the perfect send off to the character. It was a delicious 4 course meal... But turns out we're getting a little dessert, and that's ok.
As far as saving the MCU? Hell no. I don't buy Pedro Pascal as Reed for a second and Ali has almost quit the production of Blade twice! The MCU is done.
Not sure how I feel, Logan was amazing, and I never had this hardcore desire like most fans to see a whole movie about Deadpool and Wolverine working together.
Well I’m pretty sure they’ve said that this isn’t the same Wolverine that died in Logan so that’s still a good send off
Except desert is the least healthy part of the meal and for some people, it's poison. Sooooo
Carnivorous fascist!
If we're lucky, the movie will basically be a movie-format "The Roast of MCU" style 'celebration' of the old times and mockery of the present.
Prediction is that it roasts the past but the studio forces the end to embrace the present. Don't set your expectations too high.
@@arrgylerawrgyle3784 Oh they are most certainly not high, don't worry. I think we're all beaten into default cynicism now.
They might lightly play with idea but not full on roast it like how no one likes Captain Marvel or how they ruined Doctor Strange
A toast to your successful prediction.
I'm hoping for a very Abbott and Costello style comedy. Jackman as pure straight rage, Reynolds as pure insane sillyness.
Same. Jackman and Reynolds do have great chemistry as actors so it’ll shine through I hope.
That’s what I’m thinking - Logan will be the annoyed straight man
doubt it
I don't count Deadpool movies as part of the MCU. They're part of the X-Men franchise if anything, which pre-dates MCU. I hope this movie is hugely successful, but it does nothing for the MCU.
MCU: Gene Splice!
Before sony also went woke.
I don't think you have to hope too hard. That's pretty much where my expectations are. You leave the theater and the marvels and eternals still happened. Iron Man is still dead. Cap is still old. Black panther is still Shuri. All of the excitement of this movie dies as soon as you leave the theater.
lol because it was not apart of the MCU at the time
@fr2331 TBF Shuri being black panther is due to Boseman's death not because they wanted to write him out
Wolverine And Deadpool won't save the MCU, it will only delay its inevitable extinction
EXACTLY
It’s already inevitably extinct, tbh.
It will be like NWH then they will kill the momentum with mid characters and projects that follow. This should have released after Endgame or NWH. No one movie can save an entire franchise, the Marvels flopped after Guardians 3 did well. Guardians 3 was just left over from better times, Remember Gunn was fired, so it got delayed.
Everything goes extinct. It’s just a natural part of life.
@@lalehiandeity1649must be nice being as slow in the head as you guys. I hear ignorance is bliss.
The simple reason why this movie can't and won't save the MCU is because after this movie releases, the Marvel projects that follow won't have the creativity, heart, passion, and joy for the source material that Ryan Reynolds, Hugh Jackman, Shawn Levy, and everyone else involved in the creative development of this movie look like they're bringing to Deadpool and Wolverine. Everything we've seen before this and likely after shows nothing but contempt not only for the source material, but the very movies leading up to Endgame, and we've seen nothing to indicate that's changing anytime in the future.
If anything people looking back on this movie will use it as a benchmark of how the MCU could have been played with outside of the initial main story MCU run and highlight just how bad the newer content handles things.
@@ravenshrike I think you're right, but with a caveat. We're so deep into the MCU by this point I don't think people will look back and use it as a benchmark like you described, but as a wasted opportunity to turn things around by using it as a springboard or a starting point for new, better stories than what we'd been given post-Endgame thus far.
Exactly !
@@nlparadox3890 a bad series
Imagine playing wolverine for 24 years straight and never got tired at the same character. That is respect, loyalty to a character, man. 🤩
Shoutout Ken Barlow
*17 years straight. A seven year gap doesn’t really count on the total, especially considering that gap was intended to be retirement from it.
I'd never hang up the claws if I played wolverine. Definitely one of the best characters marvel made
Not for nothing but Hugh’s career outside Wolvie isn’t exactly burning up the box office. Sometimes people take jobs simply to remind people they exist.
It's the healing factor that allows him to keep on playing Wolvie for so long...
Yeah, the MCU is long gone, but this will make for a great send-off and a reminder of what once was.
Exactly.
Onslaught
Deadpool was never part of the MCU
“What once was”? What movie has ever been like this in the MCU?
Should have been destroying the MCU and not for sh*ts and giggles
Long ago, I lost all expectations based on trailers...sometimes the only good moments are packed into that one minute clip.
If that.
Marvel doesn’t think they did anything wrong, they still think it’s the fans fault. So no, nothing will change after this.
It seems like nobody wants to acknowledge the fact that, apart from the brief cameo in Dr. Strange: Scarlet Witch Murders Everybody, the X-Men have never been acknowledged as part of the MCU. All of the X-Men movies, even the ones released during the MCU tenure, have been their own thing. Even the first Deadpool makes fun of it - "Oh, there's nobody but Nega and Colossus at the Xavier manor? I guess the studio can't afford any more X-Men?"
Yeah but they also made fun of the fact none of the X-Men want to work with Deadpool, because they were all hiding in a room together.
I still can’t fathom how Disney got the rights to X-Men 5 years ago and then shoved it the back of their production schedule behind Eternals, Black Widow, Shang Chi, Wakanda Forever, Thor 4, Quantumania, and The Marvels (not to mention all the D+ crap and scrapped/delayed projects).
Right? X-Men was one of Marvels biggest hitters financially for *_decades_* and Disney has just sat on it.
Feige and company pushing his modern comics agenda for the m-she-u.
Because once they have milked dry the superheroes then they will begin their X Men universe
Man I thought holy hell marvels got X-Men now we can get the X-Men we deserve but all this wokeness shit has me worried they'll just fuck it up so bad
I'm not sure if this is true or not but I've heard that
Part of the deal was that they couldn't use Fox properties for a few years that's why we are seeing it now
The real dead pool is the MCU.
Cess pool
The MCU was done at the end of Endgame. The only good movie since has been Spider-Man: No Way Home, and that was because of Sony. If this one succeeds it will be because of Fox.
Fox has nothing to do with it fox didn't want to make deadpool in the first place this is all Ryan Reynolds. And the comic book fans
No way home wasn't really that good.
It was just better than what was shit sandwiched around it so it was the less smelly turd.
You realize Fox doesn't exist anymore right? This is a Disney made movie lmao
@@chad534 No Way Home was awesome, you’re in denial or delusional, Willem Dafoe rocked that film as well as seeing Tobey and Andrew again was off the charts.
@@goldenshark3182It relied almost entirely on nostalgia 😂 Zero progress made in the MCU.
I agree with Mauler, it's still a funeral.
But what a fun funeral it should be
@johnmchugh8049 Yes, it should be fun. Those two characters haven't had much of the modern sickness inflicted on their movies.
The entire "Deadpool 3 will save the MCU" is the narrative by the access media so they can continue to get access from Disney. It's gonna be like no way home how it's gonna be carried by it's cameos. The movie does have potential and I hope it is decent, but it could also be a complete mess with all the cameos.
It definitely could turn out to be crap. Only seeing the film will tell for certain.
Access media and shills. Funny thing is they say it's not dead when most fans say it is and call them haters.
Deadpool & Wolverine will likely save the MCU for a few months and then Marvel will go back to making mid movies again. Still, you need more than one movie to save the entire franchise 🤷
Pretty much
Mid? You mean shit.
What does that even mean. "Save the MCU" ......
yup, but have to wait and see if this movie is good before having this conversation! This will probably be NWH all over again. This will be a finale for a well received character, just like Guardians 3. All these characters are from better times that audiences liked. This won't make everyone watch Agatha, Iron Heart, and Cap Falcon. Mom made money but was poor quality. There was no multiverse madness that many expected. They had an opportunity to bring back Spider man characters from the other universes. Also, it was poor sequel to the first movie.
Can't make necessary reforms if you are not willing to fire the people who created the problems you claim to want to fix in the first place.
That's how you KNOW for certain that all the BS Iger is talking about "quieting down on the politics.. returning to great storytelling... Entertainment over message.." are nothing more than hollow platitudes. All of which are utterly meaningless.
Had he been excited about bringing Nelson Peltz onto the Board at Disney "to gain from a new perspective and his decades of experience" , that would have at least shown some degree of willingness to do something different. But nope....
Talk - Action = Bullshit
You can always gauge their level of sincerity by their actions! All the words, willingness and intentions mean jack squat without Action to back it up!
Like I commented elsewhere: I parted ways with MCU after Endgame. I don't miss it. But for Deadpool, I'm going to make an exception.
I left after Day of Ultron.
I've only seen the 4 avenger movies. Nothing else. Only bits and pieces of captain America and iron man.
Than you missed out on No Way Home
No one cares John Wick franchise is way better and interesting @@RedRaikou
@@fictiong6247 No Way Home was a brilliant movie with a great send off, the only good thing from the MCU since Endgame, well technically Guardians of the Galaxy was also good but not as good as the previous GOTG movies, but I'll say it again, you missed out on No Way Home.
Imagine if they had made this while Ryan and Hugh were younger
This issue is like a stock market graph with peaks and valleys. The long-term question is always the overall trajectory of the line, not whether a particular data point is up or down.
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Exactly, a perfect example.
Absolutely !
Back to actors who can actually carry the gravitas of their characters!
If a student fails 5 of the 6 test he has for the year, and happens to get an A in one exam, that doesn't save his grade point average. The same is true with Marvel, potentially, having one good film a sea of bad ones. If they use Deadpool 3 to course correct, there is a chance that Deadpool could be a foundation towards improvement, but if Marvel thinks they can go back to business as usual, they will continue their decline.
Maybe the MCU should be split between Marvel Studios and Sony, with both collaborating on the big movie projects....after a five year break.
12:05
Will Smith: Keep Alopecia's name out your fuckin' mouths!
I bet that's someone's name. Maybe they spell it Alopeesha.
Oh my God. If they make a joke about that in the movie, I'll foam. XD
Something like them running into her and Deadpool saying, "Hold up, where's Will Smith at? The script says he has to slap me."
Great Video.
Inspector Harry Callahan also at the bar and pressing a .44 magnum against Deadpool’s head: “Why did you name yourself after a cop movie from the eighties punk?”
Deadpool: “I loved you in that franchise”
Callahan: “Then you are aware that I can blow your head clean off with my pals Smith and Wesson”
Deadpool (squealing with excitement): “Go ahead… make my day!”
Callahan:”You asked for it”
Deadpool (head on the floor): “Worth it”
My friends and I used to all get together to see MCU premiers,but we haven’t done so in years. After we saw the trailer we all texted each other and decided to do this one more time.
RIP MCU
The MCU needs a 5 years pause and then a hard reboot.
That should've happened after Endgame. Same thing with the DCU. A 5 year pause after Aquaman 2 would've been beneficial. Let, some of, the stink of the DCEU wear off.
hard reboot is secret wars thats kind of the whole point of these multiverse storys like final crisis or crisis infinite earths
10 years.
Deadpool causes something that retcons the shit out If the main timeline causing secret wars
I can only hope this takes the piss out of the MCU absolutely mercilessly. After all, the first step to recovery is admitting that you have a problem…
DP3 seems to prove there are people in and around Marvel that understand the problem. But that doesn’t mean those people are the majority or that they have enough power to turn the MCU Titanic around. It’s like the MCU is bouncing back and forth between icebergs and the DP3 crew is like, “Guys, seriously, we NEED to stop!” while Iger & crew are, “Nah, it’ll be fine.”
Keep in mind, several months ago there was this huge thing on the internet about Disney trying to interject a new ending into act 3 of DP that Ryan Reynolds was apparently trying to stop. Even if this movie sings, the core ethos of how Disney wants to push the message hasn't changed.
According to everything I found, when Feige immediately began making the predictable mistakes, the first being Firing Reynolds OG writing team with whom he worked with on the first 2 films, apparently it set Ryan Reynolds off! Apparently he made enough of an issue about it that (I can't remember if it was Chapek still or early return of Iger) apparently The Top Dog intervened on his behalf and Ordered Feige to can the pair of woke female rookies and rehire Reynolds original team! Then basically told him to "let Ryan do what we all know he very competently knows what to do". Basically giving him an unusual level of creative control. And allowed a page 1 rewrite of the script. Which is part of why it took longer than expected.
I guess Iger told Ego boy Feige to give Ryan and his team the James Gunn treatment.
Personally though, I am still kinda surprised that they kept their word by sticking to the R rating. Though I expect a 2nd PG-13 release has already been cut.
Thank god Body Positivity Cop wasn't around or Deadpool would've been in trouble.
Nearing the end of the Infinity Saga, i remember reading some article where somebody said now that those characters stories are finished, the focus can be on the more interesting characters. They must have just hated the MCU and the fans of those movies and couldn't wait to ruin it.
It probably will be like Spiderman: No Way Home, a good movie in a sea of sludge. Not saving the MCU.
"Who's the bald chick? Oh you mean the one that massacred millions of mutants, yeah she's nobody important
“But she’s in the comics!”
Yeah nobody cares. Just a way for Disney to justify a tiny frail bald headed woman to man-handle the most masculine hero in the universe.
I call her Alopecia.
in a comic book read by dozens of people world-wide... yeah.
@blshouse what they made a whole series of movies about a comic book read by a couple of dozen people, phew luckily it took off
@@TheSILENTBOB180 thats just a blatant lie. Wonder woman was selling a million copies in 1942.
Do people still have trouble understanding the difference between "telekinesis" and "telepathy"?
Well, she could be using Telepathy to control Wolverine's mind and make him move his body like that. She could also be using Telekinesis to do the same thing.
@@Zac_Frost at around 11:30 Mauler brings up Cassandra Nova having telekinesis, then a few seconds later shows her manipulating Wolverine's body and Critical Drinker says he doesn't if that's her manipulating his mind (telepathy) or the adamantium in his body in reference to Magneto's control over metals.
I'll just concede my point because none of this is real anyways and i am excited to see this movie so I'll stop being a debbie downer.
@@montgomerynovak2194 Hey, you're not wrong for pointing it out. I was just saying it's easy to confuse the ideas.
I'm kinda hyped to see it, too. Been a while since I've been hyped to see a superhero flick lol.
Will probably be another Guardians 3 situation
Disney will look at this and say “great! People want the X-men! Here’s a new x-men movie for a MODERN AUDIENCE”
I do like the small details they took with Wolverine. His claws coming from the top of his hands (instead of between his fingers) is more true to the comics. The comics costume is pretty cool too. I always preferred the orange and brown costume, but i like the effort.
Now if only they could get his mask made ...
It takes a cultured man to appreciate a good cocaine joke😅 that was great at the end.
Remember, it was Fox who developed these characters in the live action versions. Now that Disney has reacquired fox, they'll mostly likely take the credit for Deadpool vs Wolverines' success.
Glad to see the blue and yellow with his actual haircut. Wolverine was my dude growing up.
It's like taping some water wings to the titanic. It's a nice thought, but too little, too late.
Was tired of Reynolds and his mouth with Blade Trinity.
One thing I can't stand about the excuse of "superhero fatigue " is that the time that so called fatigue set in is when the wokeness started. There was no fatigue, we all wanted good films.
"Wokeness" isn't the problem Fox News. It's lazy writing.
@@leonrobinson8180It's both. Propaganda forces lazy writing.
Thing is movies are meant to be seen by everyone if you put your own personal politics in it then your causing a divide within the audience, talking down to one side.
@@leonrobinson8180 wokeness is just an aspect of the even larger problem of bad/lazy writing and this isnt even a recent phenomena
@@leonrobinson8180 true too. Many writers in thus generation are lazy. The entitlement.
Man its so weird hearing them talk good about the MCU, last time they did was no way home😅
"It's like a funeral more than it is a rejuvenation.........we all smile, a couple laughs, but it's still a funeral." 😂😂 Longman? This is EXACTLY why I love ya so much, buddy 😄: I can't think of ANYONE (-except maybe LittlePlatoon and, off-and-on, The Drinker) who not only hits the nail on the head SO accurately and SO simply....but also does it in such a cynically poetic and comedic way 👌💯.
I can't think of ANYONE who would have thought to phrase this movie, especially given strong positive trailer reaction , as a funeral or eulogy.....yet that is, indeed, EXACTLY what it will be. Well played, Nostradamus 👏, lol.
You're a gem, mate, never change. If the world had more mordant people like yourself I probably wouldn't constantly want to smash my head into the nearest brick wall 😄.
A year or 2 ago I would have gladly looked forward to this movie.
After all the disappointment and let down I’ve gotten used to not seeing movies, and honestly I just refuse to give my money to people who hate.
I don’t care how good it is, Disney can go f itself and I look forward to enjoying my favorite ips once they’ve forced to sell them off to keep the lights on.
In the meantime I’ve got decades worth of classics to enjoy
You guys DID notice the "Liefelds - Just Feet" sign on the shop behind Wolvie and Wade, right? I mean... that was bloody hilarious.
Marvel CU has run its course, like all FADS, the guaranteed mega-blockbusters are no more.
Yet you will go see this and it will make a billion dollars.
If they had any sense they would use this movie to kill of all the current MCU and have these two reboot the MCU having Disney licence the movie out ... but that's never going to happen.
Maybe not 'never'. I think it could happen, but would require some sort of global financial crisis. Huge sell off on the market and megacorps like Disney are forced to downsize, sell off assets. We're kinda due for a crash. Been a while.
No money will be given to Disney on my part.
It took ten years to get to End Game, and it would take take 10 more years of QUALITY films to restore Marvel's tarnished legacy. But honestly, who has that kind of time?
Part of the MCUs success came from its ability to build momentum. Iron Man 2 prepped audiences for The Avengers and the Avengers set up for Thanos and the infinity saga. Currently the MCU is stuck in a pit and it’s going to need multiple smash hits and a new goal to get forward momentum again. Dead pool and Wolverine has nowhere to go after this movie, Jackman won’t be doing more movies, (without extremely lucrative contracts), and Deadpool is not a character to build the MCU around, people may get hyped for this movie but how can it sell the next one? I could be wrong but audiences seem resigned to the MCU and I don’t see one movie changing that sentiment
I see this movie like that scene from Titanic; the one with the musicians playing a soothing melody before the ship goes down.
As long as Disney are making MCU films they are doomed, but this movie will certainly get people back
so you might get a small audience bump for next few films.
I don't care if this saves the MCU or not, this looks like a fun movie that I want to go see and enjoy in the theater.
So you're going to give Disney money? okkkk...
Yep
I'd wait for the reviews at least
It looks like low hanging fruit, and I want to support better movies in theaters.
"harkens back to that different era of superhero movies when things were kind of new and exciting and wow we're doing X-Men and we're starting to do Marvel movies and it's all it's all very cool and interesting and you know we've lost a lot of that for obvious reasons"
Pepperidge Farm Remembers.
I hope that Hugh Jackman will play Wolverine seriously and it will balance out Ryan Reynolds overdone jokes
I feel like they could do the straight man/funny guy buddy cop type of deal. That'd work pretty well. Hugh Jackman does have a great deadpan sense of humor about him, as well.
@@Zac_Frost That is exactly the vibe I got from the trailer. Good ol' "cop buddy" movie with a grumpy old guy and a young hotshot idiot.
@@NecroxProduction If it ain't broke...
"Come back! We were only kidding about hating you and defiling everything you love!"
I want to see this movie so bad, but the company that defiled Star Wars doesn't deserve my money.
It may not be the lifeline to save MCU, but it'll be a great movie for the fans. 🎉
if they do the wolverine in bed holding a frame meme i'm gonna fu**ing lose it
Wow, 5 years I haven't set foot in a theater.....that might change for this movie. But I sure hell not going to go on release weekend. It's going to need some good word of mouth!
I just hope they've not put all the good stuff in the trailer and kept all the garbage for when they've conned us into the cinema.
Woke, cringy writing better not be lurking...girlbosses, all that garbage.
@@wrath231 Ryan Reynolds from my understanding has fought tooth and nail against Disney in guaranteeing it doesn't happen.
@@LastSunrise1981 Yeah. As grating as he can be at times, it does seem like Ryan genuinely cares about the fans and wants to give them the best product he can.
good chance it will be nostalgia bait galore with the xmen returning in some way
@@username.exenotfound2943 Nothing wrong with nostalgia bait. The real concern is the bait and switch woke agenda.
But I do trust Ryan Reynolds in doing the right thing.
The MCU was one and done. Nothing can recreate the excitement of ‘wow. They’re bringing in Ant-man. Wow. They’re bringing in Dr Strange. Oh, look. There’s Stan Lee.’
This movie will make a ton of money but it can’t revive the MCU.
Thing is that Ryan is a fan, he knows this stuff inside and out and finally has enough power to push the comic correctness, both Ryan and Hugh are artists and as such want to do a good job for the sake of doing a good job, not because of pushing “the message“, also Ryan and Hugh have great chemistry and bounce off of each other in a great way.
Not only will Deadpool & Wolverine not save the MCU, it wont get me in the theater or a dime of my money. Good or bad, I’m still boycotting the Rodent House.
X-3 The Last Stand was a Good send off.
Wolverine: Origins was a Good send off.
X-Men: Days of Futures Past was a Good send off
Logan was a Good send off
Deadpool and Wolverine will be a Good send off
And Finally 🤞🏻 , Secret Wars WILL be a Good send off.
*Leave Hugh Jackman Alone*
Perfect movie to rest the MCU for a few years
as a big MCU fan i've asked various friends and ppl around me what they think... the dominating reply... "Meh.. i'll wait till its free or a few quid on Amazon"
I think that sums up the lost trust.
well the whole "SAVE THE MCU" narrative we know is being parodied in this movie because in the first trailer we already got a "marvel jesus" joke from deadpool... so i think once deadpool himself starts making fun of the 'dead marvel' narrative it's time to find a new one.
I feel like I'm the only one that wasn't thrilled. Looked...fine, I guess.
The only reason I would bother to go see it would be to spend time with friends that still enjoy these tired movies.
All the DEI and ESG crap Disney has forced into their stuff, and the film starring two straight white men is gonna be the only thing that makes them any real money. 🤣
You lot have been chanting "Go Woke, Go Broke" for years now. But Hollywood's still standing. You right wingers aren't as important as you think you are.
deadpool, knows stuff, he talks to the audience, he knows that people are watching .....
It doesn’t need to save the MCU, it’s dead. Just be a great standalone movie.
The F Bombs. Love it. In my mind it's not really an MCU movie. But you never know, the movie might finally make this Multiverse Saga make sense.
This is the superhero movie I want to see as a Canadian.
The one thing that I will give this movie prematurely is Ryan Reynolds has his ear to the ground for fans and is great on social media... and teasing a movie with Wolverine for years. Hugh Jackman did not need to come back. He made it happen and I am already happy with the performance with the trailer alone ❤
Where’s the X-men ‘97 commentary?
Suspiciously absent.
I mean, the show isn't very good...
Yep, couldn’t hold a candle to the old school cartoon
So much wasted properties in that universe. And when Disney first got the ip I was excited because I figured they'd have the budget to make what we wanted.
I didn't know how badly corrupted they were at the time.
I am just praying that its good. Just hoping Disney does not ruin it.
Its not going to save the MCU, but I hope it can give us some closure for when it was once good
The big problem with the banking on the Marvel universe is that the vast majority of Marvel titles didn't do that well. The tent pole characters (Spiderman, Ironman, Thor, et al) were the big money makers. Thinking that every Marvel character can carry a movie that will carry the MCU is wishful thinking and ignores Marvel's history. The Avengers saga was the only thing that was going to make a lot of money, especially when you consider the handcuffs put on script writers by Disney. Disney was arguably the worst thing to happen to the MCU.
I wouldnt be surprised if Secret Wars was the last MCU movie, especially seeing as they havent revealed any projects beyond it. The MCU is going to be one of those things like the last season of Game of Thrones where people will talk about how good it was for awhile and what they would have done it to fix it and how its a shame they couldn't have done those things to save it.
Not a chance of saving it. Not too happy that it follows on from Loki, because I have no intention of watching that!
Just for context, the Guardians movies have been more popular and have made more money than the Deadpool movies, and none of those have broke a billion dollars at the box office
As soon as they announced that it was a multiverse/TVA movie, I completely lost interest.
@@matthewmagda4971 yeah, it really sucks tbh
Wolverine is always showcased like a loser, drinking at bars, always letting people down. MAKE HIM MOVE ON. We got points in this Wolverine's existence where he was becoming something else, like at the end of X-Men: The Last Stand (despite how bad that movie is), and Days of Future Past, where Wolverine actually becomes something else, than the drunk hobo he's always portrayed as, on the same chronological story. But, it's pointless to ask for character development, when Jackman is only being brought back as the nostalgia act for a movie that no one would have cared for if it wasn't for Jackman's presence.
I met Jackman in a mundane setting nearly 20 years ago and two things struck me: #1 the man is TALL, and #2 the man is GREAT to his fans. A kid & his dad near us recognized him & the kid started whispering intensely. Jackman realized it and asked how they were, so the father explained that the kid was wondering where Jackman's claws were. Jackman chuckled, held up his hands, and told the kid that he had to keep them hidden in his hands when he wasn't fighting bad guys. The dad laughed but the kid nodded in that serious way kids have when you've explained something ludicrous that to them makes perfect sense. He could have been a total dick, maybe explained that the was just an actor or something and ruined the kid's illusion, but instead he was friendly and did everything he could to make both of them have a positive memorable story to tell.
It will set up the secret wars story arc for the next Avengers films, these will likely be cameo heavy also, akin to endgame. Im not a fan of recent marvel films, but im still hopeful for those films to do well. I'm certainly a comics fan, so seeing these characters on the big screen is something i'll always like to see. I hope they can pull it off as well as endgame. DC has nothing at the moment, so Marvel is the only real avenue for the wealth of comic stories out there at the moment.
Why is it that none of Charles Xavier's family members share his same surname?
They're ashamed of being related to anyone who would work with Wesley Crusher and not space the little bastard.
I think it's gonna be like Guardians of the Galaxy 3. Not great, not terrible.
Exactly. I liked Guardians 3 so it’ll probably be the same here.
Guardians 3 was one of the best MCU movies ever made
I agree. Guardians 3 was fantastic
Much as I wish it wasn't, the reality is that this is a dead cat bounce for the MCU - because it's not about superheroes, it's about two very specific (and well-loved) characters, made by people who actually respect those characters. Unless this is a proper reset for the entire MCU multiverse (ie undoing Loki's ending, which was the actual good thing about that series), it won't and shouldn't make a difference. As for the Marvel management maybe sitting up and paying attention to the criticism that's inevitably going to be part of DP3, it's far more likely that they'll treat it like a celebrity roast - have a good old chuckle about it in public, be a bit bitter about it in private, and then move forward as though it didn't happen.
I still expect Disney to find a way to ruin this. I know there's been rumors about Reynold's not being happy and the 3rd act a mess, though I can't find any sources. However, it wouldn't surprise me if true. Or if they want this to fail as an excuse to take full control of Deadpool.
Who cares if it will save the MCU or not. That's a stupod title. Just be a good movie.
Too many f words in the trailer
Just imagine if they drop a Critical Drinker joke into it
You know that the mcu is in trouble when the meta parody character is the one that needs to make the mcu mean something.
I am cautiously optimistic but after Marvels, Quantumania and Echo, I'll never forget Disney's capacity to fudge up a sure thing.