I would suggest getting a smart lock instead. You can then use a cheap key override, but connect the key override to your "instant 24h zone" on your burgular panel. A advantage of a smart lock is that you can manage access permissions, restrict time schedules, and have one-time codes and access tags and everything, and you can easily block lost tags. By tying the key override to the "instant 24h zone" on your burgular panel, you still have a way in if the smart lock does fail, but anyone abusing it by picking it or similiar, will trip the instant 24h zone before they are even past the front door.
A quick note and recommendation. You just need to reinforce the frame of your door which is pretty easy to do on your own, but a handyman can also do it for you. You can buy a frame reinforcement kit ($80 -$110) at a big box store like HD or Lowes or on Amazon. They are basically steel strips, and 3.5 inch steel screws that secure your frame ( more likely to fail, than your lock - and the reason why doors can be kicked in so easily), and that anchor the frame to the studs - and additional screws or plates for your hinges. Do all doors (including back door and/or garage door leading to the house if you have one. I would also suggest high security locks for those doors, that people seem to ignore. A little more expense, but it is a "one and done" type of thing and will give you additional peace of mind and comfort. Good luck!
One thing that will really reinforce the frame is a london bar this is a steel strip on the inside of the door that runs the length screwed in with long case hardened wood screws 10x2 , 1/2 And the door needs a secuirty escutcheon that reinforces the door from breaking away.
Talking about those two products suggests to me that you are from the UK, where mortise locks are more common. Not to say there aren’t unheard of here (my handle lock is mortised in), but deadbolt are not typically mortised. Because North America insists on being different, we have different types of cylinder and mechanisms.
@@user-Calebculwell the police, military bases and federal law enforcement and other alphabet agencies uses it, so ill trust it over any other. Plus there is no known exploits online anywhere I could find. if you can find someone who broke into these locks send me the link.
100% great purchase. I agree that a dedicated picker would be able to open this given time, but in the field is completely different than having a lock sitting in a vise, with nice lighting and a comfy chair to sit on. The keys are controlled. If you purchased it through a locksmith, they keep your bitting on file. In case you lose your keys you can have them cut a new one, or repin it with a new bitting. All that said, if you go deep with the lock, go deep with the complimentary security that the lock is suited for, I.E the door, frame, and hinges.
There are two holes inside of the strike plate that you haven’t utilized. You need to drill and place two three inch screws inside of that plate for additional security. I’d also invest in some weather stripping, hundreds of dollars of heating and cooling are escaping from your house with that drafty door.
Oh, it’s 3.5” screws that hold the strike plate on. The door frame is made of 4x4s (old true 4”x4”), so it’s got some good bite, but the box strike plate is inset into it, and thus doesn’t have 4 more inches before hitting the window. The air leakage around this door is small beans compared to many other spots in this 110+ year old house. I’ve been targeting them one by one, but frankly installing gasketing into the door is not a low cost modification. Thus I am just sticking with the brass weather strip that is already there
@@NutkeyDoesMinecraft Absolutely but it saeems the poster didn't care. Its true that a DD is safest but not in a home with kids elderly etc. There are removable thumbturn keys btw,
I bet you could do that to most doors. But with the box strike plate, I bet you’re taking down the whole wall. While I don’t want that, I’d rather the whole neighborhood notice the massive intrusion than someone sneak slyly in. Locks are a deterrent. If so I e really wants to get in, even the best lock won’t stop them, but if he is just looking for the easy houses to sneak into, it might cause that person to keep moving.
@@gentlemangreyman Your giving too much credit for that little box plate. There are much better reinforcement strikes out there that disburses the force. As a locksmith. I’m disappointed that a locksmith sold you a double cylinder lock. I pray you never have an emergency and can’t find your key. Major safety hazard
@@2815Juan yup. Security aspect is good but he should use a thumbturn, especially if he got kids. If there is a emergency like a fire and they can't get out he be sorry.
@@moisheshekelbag6336 Yeah, he should have a thumb turn on the inside because it's against code in most areas now to use a double cylinder on an entry/exit door.
A solid wood door is already not my weakest link. There are many other things that are lower hanging fruit, and have a much better shot at reaching their payback point. Further, the steel door would be in appropriate on a house of the style and era of mine. Also, there is a steel gate on the porch.
@@gentlemangreyman If the lock was 100+ years old as well it would be grandfathered in but just like with electrical work any new retrofit has to meet code at the time of retrofit. The fire marshall isn't going to come inspect your door but if a fire arises and something happens where that lock was locked and an undesired outcome occurred it would come up that that lock should have never been put there.
4 - 6 minutes pick that Medeco. Every time you can to meet difficult lock of every brand but in 75-85% have standard time for picking. MTL my favourite brand but that cylinder not difficult more ))) Medeco more good. Thank You for your time and interesting video 👍🔓💯 Good luck 👍🔓😁🏆☮️
Vince, The door definitely needs a paint job, and I’ve got a lot of work going on at the house, so not repainting until that is all done. Local historical approval will probably be required for paint colors… definitely not looking forward to that ordeal. I’m not sure I’ve seen any deadbolts with escutcheons on them; typically, I’m use to seeing them on plumbing penetrations in the walls. I’ll look into it when the door come off for painting.
Reinforce your door frame most criminals will not pick your locks they will bypass them with some type of brute force. Which is why most people don’t spend alot of money on a door lock as you have .
$300 was as I recall, the installed price including tax. I’m guessing the $145 you quote is FOB. It was worth it for me to pay for the install, as the doors on my house are well over a century old, and have the quirks that arise from having doors of that age.
No way you could compare Primus XP to Medeco or ASSA. Not even in the same league. Most locksmiths will offer Primus as a more cost effective key control solution. They don't make anything as near durable as an ASSA ABLOY product line would.
I understand that is the case with the Primus, but I was of the understanding that the Primus XP had all the hardening and durability improvements of the competition. I’m not unhappy with what I got though, so I guess I can call it a happy accident.
$200 Lock, $20 door, $10 frame.
For me it’s peace of mind knowing nobody snuck into my room and did anything or poisoned my food
I would suggest getting a smart lock instead. You can then use a cheap key override, but connect the key override to your "instant 24h zone" on your burgular panel. A advantage of a smart lock is that you can manage access permissions, restrict time schedules, and have one-time codes and access tags and everything, and you can easily block lost tags.
By tying the key override to the "instant 24h zone" on your burgular panel, you still have a way in if the smart lock does fail, but anyone abusing it by picking it or similiar, will trip the instant 24h zone before they are even past the front door.
A quick note and recommendation. You just need to reinforce the frame of your door which is pretty easy to do on your own, but a handyman can also do it for you. You can buy a frame reinforcement kit ($80 -$110) at a big box store like HD or Lowes or on Amazon. They are basically steel strips, and 3.5 inch steel screws that secure your frame ( more likely to fail, than your lock - and the reason why doors can be kicked in so easily), and that anchor the frame to the studs - and additional screws or plates for your hinges. Do all doors (including back door and/or garage door leading to the house if you have one. I would also suggest high security locks for those doors, that people seem to ignore. A little more expense, but it is a "one and done" type of thing and will give you additional peace of mind and comfort. Good luck!
One thing that will really reinforce the frame is a london bar this is a steel strip on the inside of the door that runs the length screwed in with long case hardened wood screws 10x2 , 1/2
And the door needs a secuirty escutcheon that reinforces the door from breaking away.
Talking about those two products suggests to me that you are from the UK, where mortise locks are more common. Not to say there aren’t unheard of here (my handle lock is mortised in), but deadbolt are not typically mortised. Because North America insists on being different, we have different types of cylinder and mechanisms.
I got a steel door with an Abloy Protc2 deadbolt. Good luck picking, bumping or drilling an Abloy
You can actually get a bolt and a hammer and punch out the guts on the Abloy, it’s held in with a cheap copper ring
@@user-Calebculwell the police, military bases and federal law enforcement and other alphabet agencies uses it, so ill trust it over any other. Plus there is no known exploits online anywhere I could find. if you can find someone who broke into these locks send me the link.
100% great purchase. I agree that a dedicated picker would be able to open this given time, but in the field is completely different than having a lock sitting in a vise, with nice lighting and a comfy chair to sit on. The keys are controlled. If you purchased it through a locksmith, they keep your bitting on file. In case you lose your keys you can have them cut a new one, or repin it with a new bitting. All that said, if you go deep with the lock, go deep with the complimentary security that the lock is suited for, I.E the door, frame, and hinges.
There are two holes inside of the strike plate that you haven’t utilized. You need to drill and place two three inch screws inside of that plate for additional security. I’d also invest in some weather stripping, hundreds of dollars of heating and cooling are escaping from your house with that drafty door.
Oh, it’s 3.5” screws that hold the strike plate on. The door frame is made of 4x4s (old true 4”x4”), so it’s got some good bite, but the box strike plate is inset into it, and thus doesn’t have 4 more inches before hitting the window. The air leakage around this door is small beans compared to many other spots in this 110+ year old house. I’ve been targeting them one by one, but frankly installing gasketing into the door is not a low cost modification. Thus I am just sticking with the brass weather strip that is already there
Btw I love your old fashioned mortise lock and deadbolt on the bottom! I love old locks!...very cool!
Security aspect is good but you should use a thumbturn, especially if you got kids. If there is a emergency and they can't get out you be sorry.
The locksmith recommended strongly against that as there was a window immediately adjacent to the lock
@@gentlemangreymanok but there is a thumbturn key you should use when someone is home. You can take it out when you are gone with the family.
@@moisheshekelbag6336 Yea isnt this a code violation?
@@NutkeyDoesMinecraft Absolutely but it saeems the poster didn't care. Its true that a DD is safest but not in a home with kids elderly etc. There are removable thumbturn keys btw,
As long as there are wooden doors and frames locks can be bypassed.
nice lock but i bet i could kick that door down in like 2 kicks max
I bet you could do that to most doors. But with the box strike plate, I bet you’re taking down the whole wall. While I don’t want that, I’d rather the whole neighborhood notice the massive intrusion than someone sneak slyly in. Locks are a deterrent. If so I e really wants to get in, even the best lock won’t stop them, but if he is just looking for the easy houses to sneak into, it might cause that person to keep moving.
@@gentlemangreyman Your giving too much credit for that little box plate. There are much better reinforcement strikes out there that disburses the force. As a locksmith. I’m disappointed that a locksmith sold you a double cylinder lock. I pray you never have an emergency and can’t find your key. Major safety hazard
From Shekel to Shekel. I would simply go through the window....
@@2815Juan yup. Security aspect is good but he should use a thumbturn, especially if he got kids. If there is a emergency like a fire and they can't get out he be sorry.
@@moisheshekelbag6336 Yeah, he should have a thumb turn on the inside because it's against code in most areas now to use a double cylinder on an entry/exit door.
Definitely need to upgrade door and frame.
they didnt install the screws that go with the strike box
I believe we ended up using much longer ones to reach deeper for increased structural rigidity
Change your door first with steel one first.
A solid wood door is already not my weakest link. There are many other things that are lower hanging fruit, and have a much better shot at reaching their payback point. Further, the steel door would be in appropriate on a house of the style and era of mine. Also, there is a steel gate on the porch.
Is that cylinder compliance with fire codes😳
100+ year old house, so it’s fine. New construction would require a single cylinder or captured key.
Of course not
@@gentlemangreyman If the lock was 100+ years old as well it would be grandfathered in but just like with electrical work any new retrofit has to meet code at the time of retrofit. The fire marshall isn't going to come inspect your door but if a fire arises and something happens where that lock was locked and an undesired outcome occurred it would come up that that lock should have never been put there.
4 - 6 minutes pick that Medeco. Every time you can to meet difficult lock of every brand but in 75-85% have standard time for picking.
MTL my favourite brand but that cylinder not difficult more ))) Medeco more good.
Thank You for your time and interesting video 👍🔓💯
Good luck 👍🔓😁🏆☮️
Great video!
Thanks!
Just like everyone else said that door has to go.
Why?
You put a lot of money into the house but door looks crappy and there’s no escutcheon around the lock.
Vince, The door definitely needs a paint job, and I’ve got a lot of work going on at the house, so not repainting until that is all done. Local historical approval will probably be required for paint colors… definitely not looking forward to that ordeal. I’m not sure I’ve seen any deadbolts with escutcheons on them; typically, I’m use to seeing them on plumbing penetrations in the walls. I’ll look into it when the door come off for painting.
The lock is worthless without properly reinforcing the door. A kick will easily defeat your door.
Thanks
Lock is good but your rotting door frame is the problem.
No rot is present at all.
Reinforce your door frame most criminals will not pick your locks they will bypass them with some type of brute force. Which is why most people don’t spend alot of money on a door lock as you have .
Bowley has been shown that it can easily be popped with an electric pic gun. It is no longer as safe as it once was thought to be, unfortunately.
Like a Paslode?
@@gentlemangreyman Paslode is a type of nail gun from what I know.
@@gentlemangreyman I'm talking about using something like a Kronos electric pick gun, and a DIY "key" made from piano wire or something.
Damn $300 bucks! I got my medeco assa abloy certified lock for $145.00+tax!
$300 was as I recall, the installed price including tax. I’m guessing the $145 you quote is FOB. It was worth it for me to pay for the install, as the doors on my house are well over a century old, and have the quirks that arise from having doors of that age.
That door, are u kidding me ????
I get it the door needs a paint job. Old houses in historic districts aren’t always perfect.
Yeah, expensive lock on a cheap door. Looks like a door to a bedroom and not a nice thick solid entrance door.
People robbing houses arent picking or drilling locks. They’re kicking it in.
I’ve seen both around here. The box strike plate that I installed should help with the kicking in.
No way you could compare Primus XP to Medeco or ASSA. Not even in the same league. Most locksmiths will offer Primus as a more cost effective key control solution. They don't make anything as near durable as an ASSA ABLOY product line would.
I understand that is the case with the Primus, but I was of the understanding that the Primus XP had all the hardening and durability improvements of the competition. I’m not unhappy with what I got though, so I guess I can call it a happy accident.
not helpful. this dissertation would not persuade me to buy medeco
ASSA is way better than that medeco
Hah u could not
I could not do what?