WoWS can easily solve CV play by bringing back: 1. Fighter planes - no rockets, only MGs - whose missions was gain air supremacy (Shooting down enemy fighters. If you were a CV players and driving your torpedo and or dive bomber without fighter escort and saw enemy fighters approaching, you would runaway, so as not to get your bombers shot down.). 2. protecting their CV against enemy torpedo and dive bomber attacks. Then, the battle becomes CV against CV like in history. 3. Spotting enemy ships. 4. Manually, selecting and driving multiple air squadrons in the air, at the same time, and your ship. 5. A long time ago, when I played CVs, my first priority was to a. gain air supremacy e.g. shoot down as many enemy planes, as possible and b.sink the enemy CV, not enemy DDs.
A great video as usual Ripper. Many players totally agree with you about CVs and subs as I do. To add to that, the proliferation of radar in the game is also, I believe, a big negative to gameplay.
Got myself Ragnar because of your videos and i love it, my first RB ship will be vampire2 for sure i love dd hunter playstyle. Thanks for the great videos
The problem with Carriers, for me, is that regardless of what ship I sail, it seems that unless you invest nearly every point possible into AA related skills, which if you don’t get a CV, are useless, it makes little to no difference against many CV’s planes. Worcester? Strafe it. Minotaur? Strafe it. And fuck me, if I take my Jager out, and a CV spots me, I’m fucked. Some ships literally have nothing, and when it’s against something you cannot fight back against, that’s absolute BS. Subs are just as bad.
It would be a shame if we were to losethis game because of greed as I said I am happy that I have the Vampire with Matilda as the Captain and we can put other Cruisers in the Australian line, focusing on cruisers and Dds(more fun). Keep up with explaining why and how (slow learner) and have a nice day.
1 million non-CV players have quit because of CVs. I think we will be ok if 200 CV players leave the game because they suck too badly to be able to adapt to real-pvp. We would lose 200 and hopefully regain most of the 1 million that left. Current CVs are just troll classes, 95% live til the end even in a loss, that is NOT PvP.
yay my girl. but i think its to little to late for the game. wargaming wont remove content$$. players wont put up with the cvs and ss for evea like me ive sadly left the game for for this reason. a couple weeks now not sure if ill go back.
TL is coming to the rest of the world in around a months time, after that.... random's will just be CVs vs Grubmarines. Most players wont play this game except for Clan battles, and the moment they bring SS into clan battles, is the moment entire clans will uninstall.
Subs and especially CVs are not PVP classes. They are troll classes, they just troll actual PvP players by doing damage to them "free casting" while they are safe. In any real PvP game you never find a class that can freecast. The regular classes rarely are able to freecast and it is rare and short lived. It is the first rule of development of a PvP game.
I sit in amazement at WG's ability to cock up what was an extremely enjoyable game. At least offer an option where players can opt out of sub and carrier matches. They took the base design and forced objects that add NOTHING but advantages for those who play them, much to the detriment of the main player base. Create modes with CV task forces and AA ships, don't force carriers and subs into a game where players are forced to remain in predictable areas to serve as target practice. It's baffling to watch WG go through the mental exercises they do to justify their decisions which amount to telling you that you are enjoying it or to flat out ignore the growing decibel levels from those who are NOT enjoying it. We've all made major investments of time and/or $ and it's difficult to just uninstall......WG knows this and are using it against the player base. "Shutup, spreadsheet says you had fun." They must have all worked in the public sector it seems.
Lets put all the reasons why it doesnt make sense to put CVs and Subs into a surface ship game aside for a moment. From a game mechanic standpoint it still would be possible to balance all kind of vehicles, but WG still doesnt want to do that. Surface Ships vs Sub and CV interaction is pretty onesided, that is the real problem. There is not much i can do to prevent a CV to strike me. I cant manually aim my Flak Cannons for example. I cant choose to effectively outfit my ship against CVs either, since AA is a joke. Same problem against subs. I can send a plane to a position i assume a sub will be. But the mechanic for this is so inaccurate and gives the sub so much leeway that it is just heavily biased towards the sub. The weakest class against the sub is a DD...i mean that says it all. You notice that this follows a pattern. WG just doesnt want those classes to be touched, because that would make a difficult class which already has not enough players. They will do anything to balance the vehicles around popularity, not around actual performance.
Cv"s can decide games if your side has the better cv....Subs just grief 1 -2 players. There's no counter play which is why it's frustrating. Early CVS were devastating in the hands of a good player. But you could deplane and neuter them...not with current cvs/subs...
I kick CVs asses butt good! I can dodge AA attacks! I sink a-lot of CVs! People need to be taught how to do so! Are they OP? Yes but I'm OP to them and players need to be made aware of the counters instead of being told that it's futile to even try. I reiterate: "I kick CVs Asses"! It can be done and I do it all the Frikken time! There are problems with CVs in their current state I agree, but it's not futile. I love CV matches, I truly do!
@@Nautsyn OK I replied but I think ripper nixed it. I don't blame him! Site ethics were broken, maybe he'll reconsider and allow it to be posted, maybe he's checking my suggestions out to verify its validity. IDK and won't explain beyond that and will offer no defense on my part. The only way to truly answer your question was to step over an ethics line.
Hi. I tried getting g into CVS and subs and I can tell you I suck at CVS. I mean the spotting is broken (Most DDs have bad AA but the fighters or the CVS attack squad spot you) and the 2 attacks the better players pull of (I lose to may planes, don't know why) is very hard to deal with. I liked sub pre-nerf because getting into shotgunning position is hard in itself, so the payoff if you manage it seemed justified (like a BB deleting a broadside cruiser). Now subs have no counterplay against DDs which might be historically accurate but very unfun for subs. Also subs vs subs close combat fights are no longer possible with 3km arming range. But I can see if you just sit back and ping (my former favourite Gato can't do that) they are just annoying and fake your attention away from possible other threads like DD torps or showing broadside to an enemy ship. The periscope depth spotting of the subs should also only be for yourself and the rest as mini-map, (or capped at 5km or something) that would solve most issues. Overall I would say mini-map spotting only for CVs (and periscope subs) and ping torps with old arming range (like 2km) and maybe lower damage would solve my issues with them.
Sounds like a massive skills problem, both classes are so OP they're killing the game, with a higher amount of players leaving, than any current running MMO game. I mean are you buying t10's with limited capt. skills or refering to t6, with new capt's? Or is the transition from t4 bots to real players the problem for you?
@@tangotone1241 With CVS I give you the skill issue but for subs I can only tell how is is because I play them since they are out. And I play Tier X Subs and up to tier VIII CVS because I suck in the latter ones. Captain skills at least 14 points I guess.
@@andyaweebphysicistsounds like you play once a month. I’ve only been playing for about 6months & i can tell you with 100% certainty, CVs are the most cuck people on the planet. Broken as fk unless you have 2 BBs or a Halland hugging you for backup. I don’t really play BBs because it’s just too slow & boring, but with Cruisers and DDs subs are a non issue. Idk why everyone is crying. Been sunk by subs like twice so far…..and I still die a lot. Planes & Radars are the most annoying thing about WoWs
@@AllroundSwizzy Actually I basically play daily (Let's say roughly 320 days a year) for 4 years so ... Maybe get more experience first. Maybe try to play them (CVs) before claiming them to be op. The spotting is op, the rest is skill based (at least somewhat) and I still don't have the skill to do damage without loosing my 2nd squardon. It is not that easy for me unless it is Chakalov, that one is op for sure. The spotting is the main issue they still don't adress, the enhancing of AA if attacked consecutivly sounds like a good idea from WG. From my perspective Des Moines with its 1min, 10km radar (at least 55s) is busted because any torp DD is dead before it ends.
Ah. Another wholesome and educational Ripper video. Plus a shoutout to Trenlass et al. May you always have 1 HP left.
WoWS can easily solve CV play by bringing back: 1. Fighter planes - no rockets, only MGs - whose missions was gain air supremacy (Shooting down enemy fighters. If you were a CV players and driving your torpedo and or dive bomber without fighter escort and saw enemy fighters approaching, you would runaway, so as not to get your bombers shot down.). 2. protecting their CV against enemy torpedo and dive bomber attacks. Then, the battle becomes CV against CV like in history. 3. Spotting enemy ships. 4. Manually, selecting and driving multiple air squadrons in the air, at the same time, and your ship. 5. A long time ago, when I played CVs, my first priority was to a. gain air supremacy e.g. shoot down as many enemy planes, as possible and b.sink the enemy CV, not enemy DDs.
wow great notes, Thank you!
Great video. Thank you for the tips and information on fires.
You're welcome! Thank you!
A great video as usual Ripper. Many players totally agree with you about CVs and subs as I do. To add to that, the proliferation of radar in the game is also, I believe, a big negative to gameplay.
Thank you!
Got myself Ragnar because of your videos and i love it, my first RB ship will be vampire2 for sure i love dd hunter playstyle. Thanks for the great videos
Just nice and useful video for players even with 10K matches
Thank you!
The problem with Carriers, for me, is that regardless of what ship I sail, it seems that unless you invest nearly every point possible into AA related skills, which if you don’t get a CV, are useless, it makes little to no difference against many CV’s planes. Worcester? Strafe it. Minotaur? Strafe it. And fuck me, if I take my Jager out, and a CV spots me, I’m fucked. Some ships literally have nothing, and when it’s against something you cannot fight back against, that’s absolute BS. Subs are just as bad.
great insight Thank you!
It would be a shame if we were to losethis game because of greed as I said I am happy that I have the Vampire with Matilda as the Captain and we can put other Cruisers in the Australian line, focusing on cruisers and Dds(more fun). Keep up with explaining why and how (slow learner) and have a nice day.
1 million non-CV players have quit because of CVs. I think we will be ok if 200 CV players leave the game because they suck too badly to be able to adapt to real-pvp. We would lose 200 and hopefully regain most of the 1 million that left. Current CVs are just troll classes, 95% live til the end even in a loss, that is NOT PvP.
haha Thank you!
yay my girl. but i think its to little to late for the game. wargaming wont remove content$$. players wont put up with the cvs and ss for evea like me ive sadly left the game for for this reason. a couple weeks now not sure if ill go back.
TL is coming to the rest of the world in around a months time, after that.... random's will just be CVs vs Grubmarines. Most players wont play this game except for Clan battles, and the moment they bring SS into clan battles, is the moment entire clans will uninstall.
sorry to hear that Thank you!
Subs and especially CVs are not PVP classes. They are troll classes, they just troll actual PvP players by doing damage to them "free casting" while they are safe. In any real PvP game you never find a class that can freecast. The regular classes rarely are able to freecast and it is rare and short lived. It is the first rule of development of a PvP game.
Thank you!
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Thank you!
I sit in amazement at WG's ability to cock up what was an extremely enjoyable game. At least offer an option where players can opt out of sub and carrier matches. They took the base design and forced objects that add NOTHING but advantages for those who play them, much to the detriment of the main player base. Create modes with CV task forces and AA ships, don't force carriers and subs into a game where players are forced to remain in predictable areas to serve as target practice. It's baffling to watch WG go through the mental exercises they do to justify their decisions which amount to telling you that you are enjoying it or to flat out ignore the growing decibel levels from those who are NOT enjoying it. We've all made major investments of time and/or $ and it's difficult to just uninstall......WG knows this and are using it against the player base. "Shutup, spreadsheet says you had fun." They must have all worked in the public sector it seems.
haha Thank you!
Lets put all the reasons why it doesnt make sense to put CVs and Subs into a surface ship game aside for a moment. From a game mechanic standpoint it still would be possible to balance all kind of vehicles, but WG still doesnt want to do that.
Surface Ships vs Sub and CV interaction is pretty onesided, that is the real problem. There is not much i can do to prevent a CV to strike me. I cant manually aim my Flak Cannons for example. I cant choose to effectively outfit my ship against CVs either, since AA is a joke.
Same problem against subs. I can send a plane to a position i assume a sub will be. But the mechanic for this is so inaccurate and gives the sub so much leeway that it is just heavily biased towards the sub. The weakest class against the sub is a DD...i mean that says it all.
You notice that this follows a pattern. WG just doesnt want those classes to be touched, because that would make a difficult class which already has not enough players. They will do anything to balance the vehicles around popularity, not around actual performance.
wow so true, Thank you!
Cv"s can decide games if your side has the better cv....Subs just grief 1 -2 players. There's no counter play which is why it's frustrating. Early CVS were devastating in the hands of a good player. But you could deplane and neuter them...not with current cvs/subs...
i agree, Thank you!
I kick CVs asses butt good! I can dodge AA attacks! I sink a-lot of CVs! People need to be taught how to do so! Are they OP? Yes but I'm OP to them and players need to be made aware of the counters instead of being told that it's futile to even try. I reiterate: "I kick CVs Asses"! It can be done and I do it all the Frikken time! There are problems with CVs in their current state I agree, but it's not futile. I love CV matches, I truly do!
Pleas enlighten us, how do you kick CVs Asses?
@@Nautsyn OK I replied but I think ripper nixed it. I don't blame him! Site ethics were broken, maybe he'll reconsider and allow it to be posted, maybe he's checking my suggestions out to verify its validity. IDK and won't explain beyond that and will offer no defense on my part. The only way to truly answer your question was to step over an ethics line.
haha Thank you!
All day yesterday. It was one game after another being harassed by a f'n CV!! So annoying!!!
yeah it happens, just dodge haha
Hi. I tried getting g into CVS and subs and I can tell you I suck at CVS. I mean the spotting is broken (Most DDs have bad AA but the fighters or the CVS attack squad spot you) and the 2 attacks the better players pull of (I lose to may planes, don't know why) is very hard to deal with. I liked sub pre-nerf because getting into shotgunning position is hard in itself, so the payoff if you manage it seemed justified (like a BB deleting a broadside cruiser). Now subs have no counterplay against DDs which might be historically accurate but very unfun for subs. Also subs vs subs close combat fights are no longer possible with 3km arming range. But I can see if you just sit back and ping (my former favourite Gato can't do that) they are just annoying and fake your attention away from possible other threads like DD torps or showing broadside to an enemy ship. The periscope depth spotting of the subs should also only be for yourself and the rest as mini-map, (or capped at 5km or something) that would solve most issues.
Overall I would say mini-map spotting only for CVs (and periscope subs) and ping torps with old arming range (like 2km) and maybe lower damage would solve my issues with them.
Sounds like a massive skills problem, both classes are so OP they're killing the game, with a higher amount of players leaving, than any current running MMO game. I mean are you buying t10's with limited capt. skills or refering to t6, with new capt's? Or is the transition from t4 bots to real players the problem for you?
@@tangotone1241 With CVS I give you the skill issue but for subs I can only tell how is is because I play them since they are out. And I play Tier X Subs and up to tier VIII CVS because I suck in the latter ones. Captain skills at least 14 points I guess.
@@andyaweebphysicistsounds like you play once a month.
I’ve only been playing for about 6months & i can tell you with 100% certainty, CVs are the most cuck people on the planet.
Broken as fk unless you have 2 BBs or a Halland hugging you for backup.
I don’t really play BBs because it’s just too slow & boring, but with Cruisers and DDs subs are a non issue. Idk why everyone is crying. Been sunk by subs like twice so far…..and I still die a lot.
Planes & Radars are the most annoying thing about WoWs
@@AllroundSwizzy Actually I basically play daily (Let's say roughly 320 days a year) for 4 years so ... Maybe get more experience first. Maybe try to play them (CVs) before claiming them to be op. The spotting is op, the rest is skill based (at least somewhat) and I still don't have the skill to do damage without loosing my 2nd squardon. It is not that easy for me unless it is Chakalov, that one is op for sure. The spotting is the main issue they still don't adress, the enhancing of AA if attacked consecutivly sounds like a good idea from WG.
From my perspective Des Moines with its 1min, 10km radar (at least 55s) is busted because any torp DD is dead before it ends.
Thank you!