Y'know, the one Thing i'm Missing either way is revolts in the rhineland. Those happened IRL, and with the rhineland Not Just demilitarized, but outright ripped away from Germany, even with far less economic Strain, i believe they're much more likely, and May inadvertantly lead to a german-french war, as Germany May Support the revolts, and/or France may blame Germany For the Events there. Brittain is unlikely to intervene, but might Put pressure upon France, If Germany doesn't Go Buckwild.
Yes but it this scenario the Rhineland is not occupied by France but becomes a buffer state so it would be unlikely to see a revolt to unify with Germany. Sure the people would probably like that but it would be strange to take arms to be annexed back into your neighbour.
@@gabilax2745 Well but he talked about the francoisation of the rhineland. I dont think that the population would have much approved. The gouverment of the rhineland likely also wouldnt have been recognised by the majory of the population there and in the rest of germany. Parties in germany and groups would have probably tried to further ignite more resistance e.t.c.
@@thenarkknight278 Well for the Saarland that's for sure, they would be forced to integrate but it is highly unrealistic to think the french would even try to integrate all the Rhineland directly into France. As for the legitimacy of the new government, we can say the same about Weimar irl but with time it became the legitimate government. And even if a revolt were to breakout it would 100% be in the 1920's or early 30's so don't expect a disarmed Germany to intervene against a France that is much stronger than what it was irl.
I think that a Treaty of Versailles designed to bring a balance of power to Europe like in 1815 would be very interesting. How could Europe be redisigned to have the least conflict in the aftermath as possible?
It's shown up on a few of his upcoming videos lists with WIP titles like "What if Versailles was like Vienna", but every single time it just vanished from the list quickly.
The main problem is that the context for both treaties are entirely different. One of the most defining things of the 1815 treaty was that france was allowed to be a negotiating power, which could never have happened to germany in 1919
Interesting to see your interpretation of a post-war Tsarist Russia since so many people assume that Russia would easily dominate due to their growing economy and modernization attempts prewar.
They _could,_ but there's a lot of obstacles in their was and I share his disbelief that a absolutist Tsarist led Russia could overcome those obstacles. A different government form would be needed to draw out Russia's inner potential.
@@gengarzilla1685 I think people have an image of pre-reform Tsarist Russia in their minds and neglect to account for the meaningful reforms which had taken place under Stolypin, & the momentum that was giving to the Russian economy by the early to mid 1910s. Not saying I disagree with your general point about “full potential.” On the flip side, people overestimate Russia’s future potential by not being aware of the immense geographical disadvantages that most of the Empire was saddled with.
if it were taken seriously it would probably start pre-establishment by maybe a decade or less and mostly focus on ensuring peaceful dialogue and ethically minded people are in the right places and the video would end off with the country still very poor, but at peace with trustworthy leadership and a budding society of trust that foreign investors could see as an island of potential stability in a very rough neighbourhood and a model for their peers.
@@tarci2994 the problem with alternate histories for modern japan is that there are really only a few unique scenarios that don't just result to pretty much the same japan we have in our world. Videos about medieval japan would probably be really interesting though
The problem is that i dont see the Russian grain gaint collapsing, 9:59 and food prices increasing, the addion of this "poors regions" were fertile and had labour to work on it
I was also surprised by that since the former Austrian territories would still likely be more developed than Russian prewar holdings, so whilst Russia got poor territories they still got better territories than they had, especially in "Posen" or "Poznan" which the Germans spent large amount of resources trying to Germanify it and consequentially developing it.
Nicholas did NOT support a constitucional monarchy. It's not impossible that it could happen, but it's not likely. After winning the war he would likely be even more confident in his ability to rule
• What if ALL the proposals at the Paris Peace Accords were accepted/compromised? • What if the Greeks themselves revolted further around the Greek-majority areas of the Ottoman Empire (this should complicate the Balkan Wars a lot more if Greeks manage to sack Constantinople)? Either this happens around the time of the Balkan Wars or a little earlier, or at 1878. • What if Belgium and Switzerland split up for good before WW1?
As if everything didn't go perfect for Britain already. Like the only realistic thing is America not getting independence but he made a video about it already.
Well I already went perfect but the only things that wasn’t perfect was amercia not gettin independent. Having more success in ww1 and ww2 Britain raj doesn’t get independence or gets federalist and the uk keeps their empire
It would be technically independent, merely under France influence. France would likely garantee the country neutrality and support the local independentists, who would naturally seek to distance themselves from Berlin. Rhenish rulers could push for regionalism and make Rhenish Franconian a national language. They would naturally exacerbate differences between the Rhineland and "Prussian Germany": Berlin is far away, Protestant, less industrialised, heavily in debt. Rhineland on the other hand is far from the pariah state that is the Weimar Republic, it would be seen as a rising industrial power, internationally accepted and courted by the all western powers : all-in-all a new member of the Benelux. Rhenish people would have to chose between self rule, peace and prosperity VS submission to Berlin and uncertainty.
Many Catholic Germans in the Rhineland region (West Germany's first chancellor amongst them) didn't like being within the internal borders of the Protestent-dominated Prussian entity inside the Empire or Republic. If France knows what it's doing, they could divide the Rhenish German people along this religious lines and siphon these local Catholics away from reunification movements.
The last scenario with an Anglo-German alliance of the most interesting… that could develop into many different scenarios involving France and Russia, but also many different wars that could happen due to an alliance like that
The last scenario with alternate soviets and france being excluded from the alliance has potentional. If you decide to make any scenario into a follow up video, i would choose this one
I think that there would be a very high possibility that germany reunites with Austria after the original peace treaty since in our timeline this was formally requested and germany would be much weaker in that timeline and with a rising Russia this would be supported by Britain
I don’t think it would happen immediately either way. France and Russia would not want Germany to gain land after they just beat Germany. And I doubt that Britain cares about the Austria’s opinion to allow it to happen in the immediate aftermath of the war.
@@mmmdavid And would be a little more evenly matched. I also wonder if the brief communist takeover of Hungary would occur in this reality or would be avoided by Horthy coming to power immediately post war. If that happens then changes to the borders could be made still as Horthy, Count Apponyi and their delegation lobbied for referendums to be held in the detached areas but due to this happening post the Hungarian Romanian war and the communist takeover they were too late as the Trianon borders were pretty much set in stone and they were not in a position to make demands. But in this alternative reality certain revisions to borders could be made without the need for military conflict.
@@mr.carguy654 I doubt Horthy would come to power as Hungary would probably successfully transition to a republic, instead of having a communist takeover.
I have some suggestions for some aspects of this scenario I feel were not given enough coverage in your video: Remnants of Austria-Hungary First off, those northern Austrian borders with the Czechs would almost certainly not hold. In the current position, Czechoslovakia would lack a defensible border with a former ruler while also dealing with the extreme cultural and political division between the Czechs and the Slovaks. The Hungarians also would want to reclaim the territory, as they would almost certainly have claims to it, if not simply for symbolic reasons of regaining lost territory. I could easily imagine Hungary being the subject of Appeasement, rather than Germany in this scenario. The west would see them as a potential buffer state against the growing Russian threat, and they would likely be busy dealing with more local issues in Germany and domestically (see below). In our timeline, Poland took advantage of the partition of Czechoslovakia to seize some border territories for itself, which strained its relationship with Britain and France, with whom they previously agreed to defend against foreign aggression from Germany. Balkans/Anatolia Regarding the situation in Bulgaria and Turkey, a third Balkan war is nearly inevitable, likely including Romania, Greece, Yugoslavia, and Hungary, and possibly even Italian Albania If this were to happen, I can virtually guarantee Turkey would attempt to take advantage of the chaos to reclaim parts of their country lost during the war. Both the western powers and Russia would be unable to defend their holdings in Constantinople and the Turkish majority areas of Anatolia. A war-weary government fighting a long-distance conflict for ownership of territories they cannot effectively control would be unlikely to succeed, with only Italy and Greece being both willing and able to commit to a defense of their regions. Germany In addition, I could very well see a communist civil war in Germany, which would be similar to the Spanish civil war in our timeline. The Weimar Republic was very weak historically, and it faced threats on both the far left and the far right. The more extreme blockade of the country would very likely increase the tensions and anger towards the government, and the nations around Germany would be unlikely to want to trade, seeing as a war was fought on their soil. Kaiser Wilhelm II would probably not be able to go to the Netherlands in exile, for the same reason, meaning he would either be exiled elsewhere, or be forced to remain in Germany. Regardless of what happens, this is bound to cause even more problems. Germany has no remaining allies who would take him in, and Austria would be out of the question, seeing as they were a fellow central powers monarchy that already wants to unite with Germany. There is no way that Britain and France would allow a communist regime to take control of Germany, but Lenin would not have to go far to reach Bavaria (the historical home of the communist party in Germany) from his location in Switzerland, and even if he dies, he would find a way to get involved at some point. Regardless of the outcome, this will even further isolate and weaken Germany, assuming Russia doesn’t attempt to grab more lands in the east during the chaos. The same ‘stabbed in the back’ myth is likely to still exist, as Germany will feel even more betrayed by its former allies, with how quickly they collapsed, and the economic crisis during and following the war will likely contribute even more to the existing anger towards ‘enemies from within’. They can’t even blame the arrival of American troops for their loss, given the fact the war ended before the United States could join. Denmark/Rhineland I can pretty much guarantee instability in Denmark and the Rhineland regions, considering their overwhelming German majority. Denmark refused to take the Kiel Canal Zone in our timeline exactly because they knew they would be unable to deal with all the Germans in the region. A group similar to the IRA in Northern Ireland is likely to form, using their experience from the war to commit acts of violence and terror against occupying forces. While I cannot predict the outcome, a plot to blow up the Kiel canal is very likely to occur. Regardless of its success, this will likely lead to further crackdowns, and an increase in violence in the region. Overall, I really enjoyed your scenario, but I just wanted to address some things that I feel would have been more significant than they were shown in one or more of your outcomes. Feel free to let me know if I misunderstood or made any mistakes here, I’ve always been fascinated with history, especially in regard to early 20th century Europe.
The communist forces in Germany in our timeline were centered on the Rhine. All that class warfare energy added with nationalism and humiliation at their French subjugation would create one of the largest, most violent uprisings in history. Communists and Nazis/Right Wing Nationalists caused enough trouble fighting eachother, imagine what they could do if they were united against French occupation.
I think your last scenario has the most potential. An alternate Soviet Union without Lenin (and possibly even without the careful Stalin) and an Anglo-German thaw after WW1 (even spurning France if they're too unyielding on the west bank) to counteract said communist union would be best for an interesting follow-up video. I'd go for that one.
One thing I don’t understand is why is germany a republic. Both Russia and Britain were monarchies and would definately not support a republic and russia wouldn’t support a democracy.
Britain by this time was fine with Republics being founded in other nations. I think they would rather have an unstable democracy than an unstable autocratic regime in Germany
@@ivanserov1846 The german people didn’t overthrow the monarchy until the absolute end of the war so I don’t see why they would do it earlier. Wilhelm II could be overthrown but not the monarchy as a whole.
@@jonathanbowers8964 Just because Britain was fine with republics existing dosen’t mean they would incourage it. This also ignores russia which would still be autocratic. And Nicolas II at a personal level liked Wilhelm II and wouldn’t want him overthrown
The Russia part is a bit weird, firt of all, with a war won, the millitary would be totally on favour of the regime, and in a country like Russia, no revolution would ever succeed without millitary support, second is, why would exactly France and Britain have optimism for a Russian republic ? It is completely irrelevant in the geoploticial field of things wether Russia is a republic or an empire, it has the same role of main power in Eastern Europe that also extends its reach towards Asia, if the Entente loosens, Britain would be wary of Russia regardless of whoever rules in St Petersburg, and France in such a timeline would be totally focused on itself as the great revanche at the Germans has been acomplished and French pride skyrockets. And Germany would still bounce back, with Russia and Britain contained in squabbling among themselves, only France opposes Germany, but with France annexing the Rhineland, it is quite likely that some sort of revolt starts where Germany steps in, and Germany would still fall to revanchism and start redirecting funds away to remilitarization and industry from the war payments, that is inevitable, Germany still has more population and a potentially larger industrial base if it recovers somewhat quickly and manages to retake the Rhineland due to a revolt, though the part of Britain eventually switching to Germany rather than France is quite likely, as Germany now doesn't have colonies nor a rival navy, something that France does, and things like a new Fashoda incident could totally strain Franco-British relations, while Germny makes sense for the British to help contain Russia.
Thing is the west still has the purse strings so the USA, France, and Britain can easily start demanding reforms if Russia wants continued investment to industrialize and modernize. A revolution mightn't happen, but the Tsar is still at best likely forced into a constitutional monarchy.
That depends entirely on how the economy is doing. The Bollsheviks came to power because of the economy. Not the war which was still ongoing. If the regime does not fix the horrandous econmy, the Soviets would definetly still be able to come to power and even win a civil war.
@@mmmdavid Not really. It is too pessimistic actually. If Russia managed to fix the economy like it did in our time line under the Soviets, it would have definetly become the most powerful superpower just like the USSR. However that is no guarantee under a loose republic rather than a totalitarian state.
i think the german british alliance scenerio against the former entente of sovjets and france is most interesting (though somewhat unlikely) i would love a follow up on that
Ahh always a good day when there's a possible history video! I love the detail you go into - 'alternate' youtubers seem to just say 'it could never happen, but if it did, nothing much would change' and take just over ten minutes to do so, which is very unsatisfying
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This really is a concise and thorough alternate post WW1 history that i really don't see a lot in others. Though in your Russian Republic maintains ending,what would the Anglo Japanese happen as Russia secures it's chinese influence. Also what would happen to the Anglo American relationship as in the interwar period, they had high tensions regarding the trade routes of the US and other problems resulting in the creation of Warplan Red?
I honestly think that in the scenarios where Finland became indipendant it would be likely it would have Nicolas as a king except the one where communists won. And wouldn’t even strive for indipendence except in the communist scenario.
A bit of a criticism is how easily you write off japans threat to china, russia is definitely strong here but not nearly as militarily threatening as the soviets, and while they would definitely try to influence china i doubt they would get involved too directly. Even if they did japan would be much more threatening than them. Of course japan obviously wouldn't win such a conflict in the long term but its consequences would probably be fairly interesting
Recently I finished the game Great War: Western Front. In the campaign I finished Germany had cut off Calais leaving the city solely supplied by the Royal Navy and France surrendered after Germany encircled and starved out Verdun and then exploited an opening in the lines created by the troop losses brought on by the encirclement, the salient being exploited triggered riots in Paris that forced France to surrender in April 1916. So what would the result be of the war ending in German victory in 1916 be?
If a Second Mercury formed in Venus orbit while an Earth-Type Planet similar & identical to Earth formed in Mars orbit, what would the climate and environment be like on each planet? If the Mercury-Like Planet in Venus orbit had a Mars-like atmosphere and double its mass while the Second Earth similar and identical to our planet in Mars orbit had a large, massive & dense Io-sized moon similar & identical to Jupiter's moon Io but with a Moon-like composition composed like our own Moon and an atmosphere with atmospheric conditions between Earth, Mars and Titan, would any of those planets be potentially habitable, livable, inhabitable and hospitable to life? Can either planet be theoretically terraformed? Can either of those planets support an Earth-like biosphere (assuming both substituted planets had a strong & powerful magnetic field like Earth's and an Earth-like composition)?
Here is a neat what if: What if WW1 ended in a lasting peace, what would the treaty have to look like to ensure all sides remained stable and accepting of the terms, and wjen wpuld the war have to end? This is not to say that there would be no more wars (there most definitely would be), but there would be no grand world spanning conflicts. This would likely mean the war realistically ended in a mutual stalemate with all sides coming together to end it so everyone can say "they won"
I really like the third timeline where we have "the USSR but different", and France and Italy acting as wildcards. I feel likeit has the most potential. Might there be a socialist revolution in both or either latin countries that would make them align with the Soviets ? Or would they form a third faction to stand against both the socialist Soviets and the democratic Anglo-Germans ?
"the main issue with being an absolute ruler is that everyone blames you for everything" change "absolute ruler" to goalie and you get the reason why i play defender in every football game that i play.
What if the USA agreed to Lenin's 1920 offer to a 60 Year Lease of Kamchatka in return for the normalization of diplomatic and trade ties? In addition to the normalization of ties with the US, Lenin was also seeking to worsen ties between the US and Japan as their interests clash in the northern Pacific.
Interesting events in the Cold War. America might actually be more neutral vis-a-vis Japan, as in this case they would have more to lose and more ties with Japan. So they might take longer to embargo Japan, and thus delay Pearl Harbour.
I really love the idea of the last scenario, where a Anglo-German democratic anti Soviet alliance emerges A growing Anglo-German alliance. In which Britain tries to get their former enemy back to strength to hold against the Ussr. France feeling betrayed and quite possible becoming diplomatically hostile to the UK (for abandoning them and instead rallying with "the enemy") Perhapse this leads to better French and Russian relations and Perhapse a lose alliance. Perhapse France, Italy, Bulgaria and other countries left behind build a new third block. Perhapse Japan becomes to agteesivr and the US starts to get annoyed by them (, and Britain) The Ottomans rising again. Britain and Germany trying to get the Rheinland back without a war with France This scenario is endlessly intresting
I would think that in any situation Germany and Hungary would pounce on Czechoslovakia and partition it. Hungary would likely join at least a partial invasion of Russia in order to regain the region of "Kárpátalja". I would bet my money on a war between Hungary, Romania, Bulgarian intervention for Dobrudja, and potentially Yugoslavia joining thus leading to an Italian support of the side that's against Yugoslavia in hopes of cementing their authority in the Balkans and more territorial gains. In my opinion Turkey also has a big chance of going to war with at least Greece in hopes of regaining control over their Anatolian holdings.
There is no way the situation in Anatolia is stable, eventually it would become too burdensome to contain the turkish majority regions of Constantinople and the French and Italian mandates I hoped you would touch more on how Turkey would look in this post ww1 works
Finland was NOT in a personal union with Russia, at least according to wikipedia. It was an autonomous grand duchy within the empire. Other than that, it would be just as likely to be an autonomous state like poland.
Hey man, I’m huge fan of ur videos for years. Can you make a video about what if Islam failed to conquer Persia and Roman Egypt and instead invaded south to conquer east Africa, Ethiopia, and eventually Sahel region of Africa?
@@VyCanisMajoris3If Britain had signed peace with Germany in 1940 and Germany had either not declared war on the US or had made sure that the Japanese would come to an agreement with China and the Americans somehow, because without a war in Europe they would not have been able to conquer European colonies, then Germany and Japan could have attacked the USSR. Moreover, even if Japan had not attacked the USSR, without the help of the West, the USSR would have had to lose the war against Germany someday. The Soviets could not have won without the war in the West. People who think that the war would have only been prolonged for two years and that Stalin would have reached Berlin and maybe even Paris are crazy. Everyone underestimates how much the Western Front deprived the Germans of what they could use in the East. For example, there is no need to build fortifications on the coasts of all Europe or the construction of U-boats to fight the British and the USA, and especially lack of the British and American blockade on Germany.
@BartoszLimanowski Germany never had a hope of defeating the USSR. The main reason the Soviets lost so much ground was because they were unprepared because they assumed the Germans wouldn’t attack while at war with Britain. If the war against the UK ends the Soviets would start preparing immediately. So either they get western equipment and are unprepared or they don’t get western equipment and are prepared. And as for Japan attacking the USSR, good luck going through hundreds of miles of Siberia just to be stopped at the urals, I’m sure it’ll go great
@@noinfo1018 And who said that the Japanese army and the German army were to meet in Yakaterymurg or Omsk?... Of course it wouldn't happen. The Soviets simply had to be isolated from support from the West, so they took Murmansk with the Finns, the Japanese took Vladivostok and perhaps if the Japanese had the resources for it, Kamchatka by the fleet like the pacific islands. This would block the entire Soviet Pacific. Due to their lack of involvement in the West, the Germans would also have had enough forces to ensure that Operation Fall Blau or operation smilar to her would be a success. If the British had not attacked Iran at the risk of resuming the war with Germany, all lines to the USSR would have been closed and Siberia would have literally starved to death. the war could even last until Stalin's death, but his death would be the end of the USSR. Besides, it wouldn't matter what happened to the rest of the Russian army beyond Omsk and beyond the Urals, without external resources it is impossible to wage war indefinitely. in the movie 1984, the war between the three superpowers continues only because, firstly, all sides actually want the war to continue, and secondly, all of them probably have the resources on their continents to keep it going, and even if they don't, they probably secretly trade things with each other such as oil.
I find the republican Russian ending the most realistic and intreguing. The communists would be so much weaker without an active war and Lenin so Russia would be a democracy for sure. I find it very interesting because the west wouldn't be as antagonistic towards Russia so Russia could become very prosperous after oil and gas become an important resources.
Everything already did, since Portugal actually became relevant. It would otherwise be integrated into Spain (if Aragon was left alone to create its own Roman Empire), or subject under muslim rule. It was a miracle that Brazil was established.
Y'know, the one Thing i'm Missing either way is revolts in the rhineland. Those happened IRL, and with the rhineland Not Just demilitarized, but outright ripped away from Germany, even with far less economic Strain, i believe they're much more likely, and May inadvertantly lead to a german-french war, as Germany May Support the revolts, and/or France may blame Germany For the Events there. Brittain is unlikely to intervene, but might Put pressure upon France, If Germany doesn't Go Buckwild.
I mean if the war would've started around the same time as the revolts did irl Germany would be pretty much fucked
Also, he never said anything about dennamark
*And we do not even care*
Yes but it this scenario the Rhineland is not occupied by France but becomes a buffer state so it would be unlikely to see a revolt to unify with Germany. Sure the people would probably like that but it would be strange to take arms to be annexed back into your neighbour.
@@gabilax2745 Well but he talked about the francoisation of the rhineland. I dont think that the population would have much approved. The gouverment of the rhineland likely also wouldnt have been recognised by the majory of the population there and in the rest of germany. Parties in germany and groups would have probably tried to further ignite more resistance e.t.c.
@@thenarkknight278 Well for the Saarland that's for sure, they would be forced to integrate but it is highly unrealistic to think the french would even try to integrate all the Rhineland directly into France. As for the legitimacy of the new government, we can say the same about Weimar irl but with time it became the legitimate government. And even if a revolt were to breakout it would 100% be in the 1920's or early 30's so don't expect a disarmed Germany to intervene against a France that is much stronger than what it was irl.
What if everything went perfect for Italy?
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0:27 this was my first time actually visualizing this. Having the whole world against you is just crazy ☠️
To be fair, it's mostly colonial territories and countries that joined late
As a Turk I'll be watching with a tissue because I know this is gonna be tragic
Turkey dying in every single alternative history scenario be like:
You took the city, but exchange you forsook yourself in alternate history...
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Ottomans: "It was just a FUCKIN-"
*_shot by Alternate History John Wick_*
Atleast you have a independent nation somewhat
Welcome to Turkish history from 1800-1923
I think that a Treaty of Versailles designed to bring a balance of power to Europe like in 1815 would be very interesting. How could Europe be redisigned to have the least conflict in the aftermath as possible?
It's shown up on a few of his upcoming videos lists with WIP titles like "What if Versailles was like Vienna", but every single time it just vanished from the list quickly.
@@gengarzilla1685 That's really interesting. I hope he'll manage to do it eventually.
The main problem is that the context for both treaties are entirely different. One of the most defining things of the 1815 treaty was that france was allowed to be a negotiating power, which could never have happened to germany in 1919
Interesting to see your interpretation of a post-war Tsarist Russia since so many people assume that Russia would easily dominate due to their growing economy and modernization attempts prewar.
I personally think the Tsar had a pretty good chance of staying in power, if only as a constitutional one.
ya cuz what's population when your economy is in the gutter?
They _could,_ but there's a lot of obstacles in their was and I share his disbelief that a absolutist Tsarist led Russia could overcome those obstacles. A different government form would be needed to draw out Russia's inner potential.
@@gengarzilla1685 I think people have an image of pre-reform Tsarist Russia in their minds and neglect to account for the meaningful reforms which had taken place under Stolypin, & the momentum that was giving to the Russian economy by the early to mid 1910s. Not saying I disagree with your general point about “full potential.”
On the flip side, people overestimate Russia’s future potential by not being aware of the immense geographical disadvantages that most of the Empire was saddled with.
@@KaiHung-wv3ulimagine what Russia would be like if they still had a constitutional tsarist government
What if everything went PERFECT for South Sudan when
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@@OszkarFulop From the year 5000 BCE
Next year
if it were taken seriously it would probably start pre-establishment by maybe a decade or less and mostly focus on ensuring peaceful dialogue and ethically minded people are in the right places and the video would end off with the country still very poor, but at peace with trustworthy leadership and a budding society of trust that foreign investors could see as an island of potential stability in a very rough neighbourhood and a model for their peers.
There's no way we're getting a South Sudan video before Japan 😢
Can't wait for the south sudan video tbh
He wants to avoid any weeaboo allegations
I dont understand this Japanese obsession, yes its interesting but plenty of histories which are far more fascinating.
@@tarci2994 They won't admit it but the reason is anime.
@@tarci2994 the problem with alternate histories for modern japan is that there are really only a few unique scenarios that don't just result to pretty much the same japan we have in our world. Videos about medieval japan would probably be really interesting though
What if the entente was renamed the freaktente, and nothing changed.
and instead of demilitarizing the rhineland they got freaky in the rhineland
I'm so done
@@paper-lord I mean, don't ask what the soldiers France had stationed there did if you want to imagine they didn't get freaky there
I have heard some people pronaunce it at "Aunty-tanty" 🤣🤣🤣
@@paper-lord each french platoon gets 100 bottles of body oil
The problem is that i dont see the Russian grain gaint collapsing, 9:59 and food prices increasing, the addion of this "poors regions" were fertile and had labour to work on it
I was also surprised by that since the former Austrian territories would still likely be more developed than Russian prewar holdings, so whilst Russia got poor territories they still got better territories than they had, especially in "Posen" or "Poznan" which the Germans spent large amount of resources trying to Germanify it and consequentially developing it.
The Tsar would be maintained as a constitutional monarch, mainly on behalf of the church, and on behalf of Finland.
Nicholas did NOT support a constitucional monarchy. It's not impossible that it could happen, but it's not likely. After winning the war he would likely be even more confident in his ability to rule
• What if ALL the proposals at the Paris Peace Accords were accepted/compromised?
• What if the Greeks themselves revolted further around the Greek-majority areas of the Ottoman Empire (this should complicate the Balkan Wars a lot more if Greeks manage to sack Constantinople)? Either this happens around the time of the Balkan Wars or a little earlier, or at 1878.
• What if Belgium and Switzerland split up for good before WW1?
It would probably lead to the Ottomans themselves taking the role of Atatürk and fleeing to Ankara.
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I liked most of the scenarios, since they were well thought up and nicely explained, thanks for the video!
What if everything went PERFECT for Britain?
That's just our timeline 😭
As if everything didn't go perfect for Britain already.
Like the only realistic thing is America not getting independence but he made a video about it already.
Honestly, it’d be interesting to see how busted the UK could be made
Well I already went perfect but the only things that wasn’t perfect was amercia not gettin independent. Having more success in ww1 and ww2 Britain raj doesn’t get independence or gets federalist and the uk keeps their empire
it did till 1914
Thank you for this video ❤Exactly the Distraction and Video i needed after a Chemistry exam that i completely fd up!
19:40 against the soviets shows green Russia
They just felt a little sick that day is all
That isn’t even supposed to be the Soviets.
I just can't see how the Rhineland would ever accept french rule
France tried to push Rhinish independantists even in our own timeline. Be sure that these guys would be pushed by France.
It would be technically independent, merely under France influence. France would likely garantee the country neutrality and support the local independentists, who would naturally seek to distance themselves from Berlin.
Rhenish rulers could push for regionalism and make Rhenish Franconian a national language. They would naturally exacerbate differences between the Rhineland and "Prussian Germany": Berlin is far away, Protestant, less industrialised, heavily in debt. Rhineland on the other hand is far from the pariah state that is the Weimar Republic, it would be seen as a rising industrial power, internationally accepted and courted by the all western powers : all-in-all a new member of the Benelux.
Rhenish people would have to chose between self rule, peace and prosperity VS submission to Berlin and uncertainty.
Many Catholic Germans in the Rhineland region (West Germany's first chancellor amongst them) didn't like being within the internal borders of the Protestent-dominated Prussian entity inside the Empire or Republic. If France knows what it's doing, they could divide the Rhenish German people along this religious lines and siphon these local Catholics away from reunification movements.
The last scenario with an Anglo-German alliance of the most interesting… that could develop into many different scenarios involving France and Russia, but also many different wars that could happen due to an alliance like that
The last scenario with alternate soviets and france being excluded from the alliance has potentional. If you decide to make any scenario into a follow up video, i would choose this one
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Guys it's been there for months. Nothing ever happens
Very interesting video. I am looking forward to the follow-up part.
I think that there would be a very high possibility that germany reunites with Austria after the original peace treaty since in our timeline this was formally requested and germany would be much weaker in that timeline and with a rising Russia this would be supported by Britain
I don’t think it would happen immediately either way. France and Russia would not want Germany to gain land after they just beat Germany. And I doubt that Britain cares about the Austria’s opinion to allow it to happen in the immediate aftermath of the war.
"while the nations of eastern europe fight amongst eachother as well"
lithuania is fucking dead
Even in the 20th century, Poland has a hard-on for its Commonwealth.
What if everything went perfect for Romania?
You did a similar episode with Bulgaria, can you please also do this for Romania?
Absolutely needed
Make the Tisa the west border
It kinda did before ww2 atleast, they got almost all of the Romanians in their country
Due to the war the Romanian army expelled or killed all the gypsies.
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what if everything went good for Pangea when?
As a Hungarian, this is way better than canon.
Yes, but Hungary was still downplayed, I think revisionism in Hungary would still take place, a new Hungarian Romanian war would be inevitable
@@mmmdavid And would be a little more evenly matched. I also wonder if the brief communist takeover of Hungary would occur in this reality or would be avoided by Horthy coming to power immediately post war. If that happens then changes to the borders could be made still as Horthy, Count Apponyi and their delegation lobbied for referendums to be held in the detached areas but due to this happening post the Hungarian Romanian war and the communist takeover they were too late as the Trianon borders were pretty much set in stone and they were not in a position to make demands. But in this alternative reality certain revisions to borders could be made without the need for military conflict.
@@mr.carguy654 I doubt Horthy would come to power as Hungary would probably successfully transition to a republic, instead of having a communist takeover.
The final scenario you explored seemed most interesting. Earlier you'd implied the development of the a-bomb in the 40s in peacetime - seems unlikely.
I have some suggestions for some aspects of this scenario I feel were not given enough coverage in your video:
Remnants of Austria-Hungary
First off, those northern Austrian borders with the Czechs would almost certainly not hold. In the current position, Czechoslovakia would lack a defensible border with a former ruler while also dealing with the extreme cultural and political division between the Czechs and the Slovaks. The Hungarians also would want to reclaim the territory, as they would almost certainly have claims to it, if not simply for symbolic reasons of regaining lost territory.
I could easily imagine Hungary being the subject of Appeasement, rather than Germany in this scenario. The west would see them as a potential buffer state against the growing Russian threat, and they would likely be busy dealing with more local issues in Germany and domestically (see below).
In our timeline, Poland took advantage of the partition of Czechoslovakia to seize some border territories for itself, which strained its relationship with Britain and France, with whom they previously agreed to defend against foreign aggression from Germany.
Balkans/Anatolia
Regarding the situation in Bulgaria and Turkey, a third Balkan war is nearly inevitable, likely including Romania, Greece, Yugoslavia, and Hungary, and possibly even Italian Albania If this were to happen, I can virtually guarantee Turkey would attempt to take advantage of the chaos to reclaim parts of their country lost during the war.
Both the western powers and Russia would be unable to defend their holdings in Constantinople and the Turkish majority areas of Anatolia. A war-weary government fighting a long-distance conflict for ownership of territories they cannot effectively control would be unlikely to succeed, with only Italy and Greece being both willing and able to commit to a defense of their regions.
Germany
In addition, I could very well see a communist civil war in Germany, which would be similar to the Spanish civil war in our timeline. The Weimar Republic was very weak historically, and it faced threats on both the far left and the far right. The more extreme blockade of the country would very likely increase the tensions and anger towards the government, and the nations around Germany would be unlikely to want to trade, seeing as a war was fought on their soil.
Kaiser Wilhelm II would probably not be able to go to the Netherlands in exile, for the same reason, meaning he would either be exiled elsewhere, or be forced to remain in Germany. Regardless of what happens, this is bound to cause even more problems. Germany has no remaining allies who would take him in, and Austria would be out of the question, seeing as they were a fellow central powers monarchy that already wants to unite with Germany.
There is no way that Britain and France would allow a communist regime to take control of Germany, but Lenin would not have to go far to reach Bavaria (the historical home of the communist party in Germany) from his location in Switzerland, and even if he dies, he would find a way to get involved at some point. Regardless of the outcome, this will even further isolate and weaken Germany, assuming Russia doesn’t attempt to grab more lands in the east during the chaos.
The same ‘stabbed in the back’ myth is likely to still exist, as Germany will feel even more betrayed by its former allies, with how quickly they collapsed, and the economic crisis during and following the war will likely contribute even more to the existing anger towards ‘enemies from within’. They can’t even blame the arrival of American troops for their loss, given the fact the war ended before the United States could join.
Denmark/Rhineland
I can pretty much guarantee instability in Denmark and the Rhineland regions, considering their overwhelming German majority. Denmark refused to take the Kiel Canal Zone in our timeline exactly because they knew they would be unable to deal with all the Germans in the region.
A group similar to the IRA in Northern Ireland is likely to form, using their experience from the war to commit acts of violence and terror against occupying forces. While I cannot predict the outcome, a plot to blow up the Kiel canal is very likely to occur. Regardless of its success, this will likely lead to further crackdowns, and an increase in violence in the region.
Overall, I really enjoyed your scenario, but I just wanted to address some things that I feel would have been more significant than they were shown in one or more of your outcomes. Feel free to let me know if I misunderstood or made any mistakes here, I’ve always been fascinated with history, especially in regard to early 20th century Europe.
The communist forces in Germany in our timeline were centered on the Rhine. All that class warfare energy added with nationalism and humiliation at their French subjugation would create one of the largest, most violent uprisings in history. Communists and Nazis/Right Wing Nationalists caused enough trouble fighting eachother, imagine what they could do if they were united against French occupation.
I ain’t reading alllat, but I’m liking bc of the effort
So as I said a british alliance would be interesting.Anyways keep up the good work 😃😃😃
I think your last scenario has the most potential. An alternate Soviet Union without Lenin (and possibly even without the careful Stalin) and an Anglo-German thaw after WW1 (even spurning France if they're too unyielding on the west bank) to counteract said communist union would be best for an interesting follow-up video. I'd go for that one.
The Last one with the Soviet Union and an Anglo-German Alliance NEEDS A VIDEO
Excellent video
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What if everything went perfectly for Antarctica?
Nobody found it and left it alone
One thing I don’t understand is why is germany a republic.
Both Russia and Britain were monarchies and would definately not support a republic and russia wouldn’t support a democracy.
Because the German people would still overthrow it
Because the people would overthrow it and Britain and Russia wouldnt care enough to try and protect it
Britain by this time was fine with Republics being founded in other nations. I think they would rather have an unstable democracy than an unstable autocratic regime in Germany
@@ivanserov1846 The german people didn’t overthrow the monarchy until the absolute end of the war so I don’t see why they would do it earlier.
Wilhelm II could be overthrown but not the monarchy as a whole.
@@jonathanbowers8964 Just because Britain was fine with republics existing dosen’t mean they would incourage it.
This also ignores russia which would still be autocratic. And Nicolas II at a personal level liked Wilhelm II and wouldn’t want him overthrown
glad you cleared that up at the start. for a moment thought i woke up in another world.
My man Nicky getting screwed over in every timeline
1:39 where'd you get the map for the ethnic minorities?
Man when I saw this on the list I thought it'd be a Frrherreich type video. Making alternate history from the POV of another alternate history
Great job! Really interesting scenario
The Russia part is a bit weird, firt of all, with a war won, the millitary would be totally on favour of the regime, and in a country like Russia, no revolution would ever succeed without millitary support, second is, why would exactly France and Britain have optimism for a Russian republic ? It is completely irrelevant in the geoploticial field of things wether Russia is a republic or an empire, it has the same role of main power in Eastern Europe that also extends its reach towards Asia, if the Entente loosens, Britain would be wary of Russia regardless of whoever rules in St Petersburg, and France in such a timeline would be totally focused on itself as the great revanche at the Germans has been acomplished and French pride skyrockets. And Germany would still bounce back, with Russia and Britain contained in squabbling among themselves, only France opposes Germany, but with France annexing the Rhineland, it is quite likely that some sort of revolt starts where Germany steps in, and Germany would still fall to revanchism and start redirecting funds away to remilitarization and industry from the war payments, that is inevitable, Germany still has more population and a potentially larger industrial base if it recovers somewhat quickly and manages to retake the Rhineland due to a revolt, though the part of Britain eventually switching to Germany rather than France is quite likely, as Germany now doesn't have colonies nor a rival navy, something that France does, and things like a new Fashoda incident could totally strain Franco-British relations, while Germny makes sense for the British to help contain Russia.
The Russian part is so non-sensical it made me unsub.
I agree, this is just basically what if Russia won ww1, it's too optimistic about the future of Russia
Thing is the west still has the purse strings so the USA, France, and Britain can easily start demanding reforms if Russia wants continued investment to industrialize and modernize. A revolution mightn't happen, but the Tsar is still at best likely forced into a constitutional monarchy.
That depends entirely on how the economy is doing. The Bollsheviks came to power because of the economy. Not the war which was still ongoing. If the regime does not fix the horrandous econmy, the Soviets would definetly still be able to come to power and even win a civil war.
@@mmmdavid Not really. It is too pessimistic actually.
If Russia managed to fix the economy like it did in our time line under the Soviets, it would have definetly become the most powerful superpower just like the USSR.
However that is no guarantee under a loose republic rather than a totalitarian state.
i think the german british alliance scenerio against the former entente of sovjets and france is most interesting (though somewhat unlikely) i would love a follow up on that
I like the idea of a chill Europe, like how the Catholics and Protestants stopped fighting each other eventually.
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What id everything went perfectly for Manchu
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What if the Habsburgs failed to claim the Spanish and Portuguese thrones?
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Looks like the Entente is gonna go into overdrive for this one.
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This really is a concise and thorough alternate post WW1 history that i really don't see a lot in others. Though in your Russian Republic maintains ending,what would the Anglo Japanese happen as Russia secures it's chinese influence. Also what would happen to the Anglo American relationship as in the interwar period, they had high tensions regarding the trade routes of the US and other problems resulting in the creation of Warplan Red?
I honestly think that in the scenarios where Finland became indipendant it would be likely it would have Nicolas as a king except the one where communists won. And wouldn’t even strive for indipendence except in the communist scenario.
A bit of a criticism is how easily you write off japans threat to china, russia is definitely strong here but not nearly as militarily threatening as the soviets, and while they would definitely try to influence china i doubt they would get involved too directly. Even if they did japan would be much more threatening than them. Of course japan obviously wouldn't win such a conflict in the long term but its consequences would probably be fairly interesting
Hungary never started mewing after Trianon is the biggest difference
Video 12 of asking for what if sun yat sen’s china survived
What if everything went perfect for the Ottoman Empire?
Recently I finished the game Great War: Western Front. In the campaign I finished Germany had cut off Calais leaving the city solely supplied by the Royal Navy and France surrendered after Germany encircled and starved out Verdun and then exploited an opening in the lines created by the troop losses brought on by the encirclement, the salient being exploited triggered riots in Paris that forced France to surrender in April 1916.
So what would the result be of the war ending in German victory in 1916 be?
If a Second Mercury formed in Venus orbit while an Earth-Type Planet similar & identical to Earth formed in Mars orbit, what would the climate and environment be like on each planet? If the Mercury-Like Planet in Venus orbit had a Mars-like atmosphere and double its mass while the Second Earth similar and identical to our planet in Mars orbit had a large, massive & dense Io-sized moon similar & identical to Jupiter's moon Io but with a Moon-like composition composed like our own Moon and an atmosphere with atmospheric conditions between Earth, Mars and Titan, would any of those planets be potentially habitable, livable, inhabitable and hospitable to life? Can either planet be theoretically terraformed? Can either of those planets support an Earth-like biosphere (assuming both substituted planets had a strong & powerful magnetic field like Earth's and an Earth-like composition)?
I absolutely hate that Sudetenland 😭
What if everything went perfect for the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth?
Here is a neat what if: What if WW1 ended in a lasting peace, what would the treaty have to look like to ensure all sides remained stable and accepting of the terms, and wjen wpuld the war have to end? This is not to say that there would be no more wars (there most definitely would be), but there would be no grand world spanning conflicts.
This would likely mean the war realistically ended in a mutual stalemate with all sides coming together to end it so everyone can say "they won"
What about a What if everything went perfect for the Ottomans?
I really like the third timeline where we have "the USSR but different", and France and Italy acting as wildcards. I feel likeit has the most potential.
Might there be a socialist revolution in both or either latin countries that would make them align with the Soviets ?
Or would they form a third faction to stand against both the socialist Soviets and the democratic Anglo-Germans ?
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Very interesting video, keep up the good work.
Eventually can we have what if Japan defeated China before ww2 started
What if Everything went perfect for Monteneg next
What if the USA agreed to Lenin's 1920 offer to a 60 Year Lease of Kamchatka in return for the normalization of diplomatic and trade ties? In addition to the normalization of ties with the US, Lenin was also seeking to worsen ties between the US and Japan as their interests clash in the northern Pacific.
Interesting events in the Cold War.
America might actually be more neutral vis-a-vis Japan, as in this case they would have more to lose and more ties with Japan. So they might take longer to embargo Japan, and thus delay Pearl Harbour.
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Great video but please lower the music volume next time. In some parts of the video I can barely hear you.
I really love the idea of the last scenario, where a Anglo-German democratic anti Soviet alliance emerges
A growing Anglo-German alliance. In which Britain tries to get their former enemy back to strength to hold against the Ussr.
France feeling betrayed and quite possible becoming diplomatically hostile to the UK (for abandoning them and instead rallying with "the enemy")
Perhapse this leads to better French and Russian relations and Perhapse a lose alliance.
Perhapse France, Italy, Bulgaria and other countries left behind build a new third block.
Perhapse Japan becomes to agteesivr and the US starts to get annoyed by them (, and Britain)
The Ottomans rising again.
Britain and Germany trying to get the Rheinland back without a war with France
This scenario is endlessly intresting
I would really like to see your opinion on how decolonisation can take shape in any of the scenarios mentioned.
Tsar Nicolas my beloved
I would think that in any situation Germany and Hungary would pounce on Czechoslovakia and partition it.
Hungary would likely join at least a partial invasion of Russia in order to regain the region of "Kárpátalja".
I would bet my money on a war between Hungary, Romania, Bulgarian intervention for Dobrudja, and potentially Yugoslavia joining thus leading to an Italian support of the side that's against Yugoslavia in hopes of cementing their authority in the Balkans and more territorial gains.
In my opinion Turkey also has a big chance of going to war with at least Greece in hopes of regaining control over their Anatolian holdings.
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Obviously the more chaotic scenario is more interesting. It's probably more realistic too.
The end reminds me of alt scenario 'Stresa', Austria unites with Germany in 1919.
Meanwhile Switzerland is straight up vibing allthroughout
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possible history you made me late for school i woke up and watched this before getting ready
There is no way the situation in Anatolia is stable, eventually it would become too burdensome to contain the turkish majority regions of Constantinople and the French and Italian mandates
I hoped you would touch more on how Turkey would look in this post ww1 works
Day 2 of asking for "what if Mishima's revolt toppled Japan"
What if Willam the conqueror never existed?
Finland was NOT in a personal union with Russia, at least according to wikipedia. It was an autonomous grand duchy within the empire. Other than that, it would be just as likely to be an autonomous state like poland.
I could see Willhelm III being placed in charge of Germany, under a constitutional monarchy, as to appease both Russia and France
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Please keep The old Background Music. i enjoy. Very Good Video Tho
I hope there is a video called "What if everything went perfect for the Axis"
They still wouldnt win
@@VyCanisMajoris3If Britain had signed peace with Germany in 1940 and Germany had either not declared war on the US or had made sure that the Japanese would come to an agreement with China and the Americans somehow, because without a war in Europe they would not have been able to conquer European colonies, then Germany and Japan could have attacked the USSR. Moreover, even if Japan had not attacked the USSR, without the help of the West, the USSR would have had to lose the war against Germany someday. The Soviets could not have won without the war in the West. People who think that the war would have only been prolonged for two years and that Stalin would have reached Berlin and maybe even Paris are crazy. Everyone underestimates how much the Western Front deprived the Germans of what they could use in the East. For example, there is no need to build fortifications on the coasts of all Europe or the construction of U-boats to fight the British and the USA, and especially lack of the British and American blockade on Germany.
@@VyCanisMajoris3an outright victory is impossible but a limited victory could be achieved.
@BartoszLimanowski Germany never had a hope of defeating the USSR. The main reason the Soviets lost so much ground was because they were unprepared because they assumed the Germans wouldn’t attack while at war with Britain. If the war against the UK ends the Soviets would start preparing immediately. So either they get western equipment and are unprepared or they don’t get western equipment and are prepared. And as for Japan attacking the USSR, good luck going through hundreds of miles of Siberia just to be stopped at the urals, I’m sure it’ll go great
@@noinfo1018 And who said that the Japanese army and the German army were to meet in Yakaterymurg or Omsk?... Of course it wouldn't happen. The Soviets simply had to be isolated from support from the West, so they took Murmansk with the Finns, the Japanese took Vladivostok and perhaps if the Japanese had the resources for it, Kamchatka by the fleet like the pacific islands. This would block the entire Soviet Pacific. Due to their lack of involvement in the West, the Germans would also have had enough forces to ensure that Operation Fall Blau or operation smilar to her would be a success. If the British had not attacked Iran at the risk of resuming the war with Germany, all lines to the USSR would have been closed and Siberia would have literally starved to death. the war could even last until Stalin's death, but his death would be the end of the USSR. Besides, it wouldn't matter what happened to the rest of the Russian army beyond Omsk and beyond the Urals, without external resources it is impossible to wage war indefinitely. in the movie 1984, the war between the three superpowers continues only because, firstly, all sides actually want the war to continue, and secondly, all of them probably have the resources on their continents to keep it going, and even if they don't, they probably secretly trade things with each other such as oil.
What if Finland didn't initiate the Continuation War?
why did you stop the downloadable maps?
The British alliance one is interesting
I like this timeline as it doesn't seem too bad to live it
I find the republican Russian ending the most realistic and intreguing. The communists would be so much weaker without an active war and Lenin so Russia would be a democracy for sure. I find it very interesting because the west wouldn't be as antagonistic towards Russia so Russia could become very prosperous after oil and gas become an important resources.
I’d really enjoy a way more broad socialist Soviet Union, unlike the totalitarian Soviet regime in our timeline.
What if everything went perfect for Portugal.
Yes
Everything already did, since Portugal actually became relevant. It would otherwise be integrated into Spain (if Aragon was left alone to create its own Roman Empire), or subject under muslim rule. It was a miracle that Brazil was established.