Hope you don't mind me doing something new with the Pokémon vids, I've something I'm working on in the bg and thought this would be fun to do in the meantime, especially cause I love Gen 1 and I didn't get to talk about it in my last vid. I've you've experience with Gen 1 I'd love to hear what you think! Also ftr the tiers are ordered except for B, made a lil slip at 1:33
Considering a game just came out in the series, have you ever been interested in the tales series? They’re jrpg’s that play like fighting games. The older games in particular have a smash bros like control scheme. Considering you’re videos it’d seem like you’re kinda game.
@@BigYellowSilly they’re really good. The newer ones play more like character action but regardless of the game you can typically do some sick ass combos. Even the mages get to be cool in the series despite having cast times. In one of the games you get hybrid characters that can start a spell mid combo then cancel it to charge it in the background of a combo so you have one man assists.
I'm definitely not a Pokemon player (haven't touched a game since I was, like, 15) but these vids have been a lot of fun! I'm here more for you than specific content, even if I do have some preferences in that regard.
@@breloommaster12 It would be okay to be if any of the Rock/Ground mons were actually fast. The dual STAB is potent, but the weaknesses are big pains for the slow and bulky mons who actually are that type.
Rock and Ground are great at coverage and have synergy against pretty much everything that is good at RBY besides Ice, (and the ocasional mad Slowbro/Starmie with Surf). But yeah, considering how water is pretty much omnipresent everywhere since Gen 3 onwards, you can't really use Rock/Ground without having into consideration these Pokémon each turn can be obliterated despite being tanky (thank goodness Sturdy exists now).
@@heavylobster4339 rock ground is still really good, the problem is the majority of the ground rock types blow. Rhyperior managed to break ou in the isle of armor so maybe there is still hope
And besides having Limber, it was already ground type and therefore immune to Thunder Wave regardless, the most common paralysis movie. So yeah, Stunfisk really has the worst compounded typing and ability. :P
I feel like Gen 1 discussions almost always default on Psychic type being the top dog, so it's refreshing to hear someone make mention of how utterly dominant Normal type is, especially in OU. Of all the types, I think it has the widest variety of strong, reliable, oftentimes no-drawback STAB moves. And the ubiquity of Hyper Beam is self-evident. I honestly miss Normal being so competitively relevant. Kinda wish with the advent of Fairies, that Normal types could hit them for super effective damage (normal humans caging fairies could explain that type interaction).
It's probably because the only Uber tier Pokémon in gen 1 are both Psychic. Mew and Mewtwo would be just as absurd as any number of typing from raw stats and movepool alone but being Psychic in particular makes Mewtwo even more ridiculous. If you exclude them then yeah Normal has the best Pokémon in the OU tier overall but including them makes Psychic absurd.
... you just forget that Mega Kangaskahn exists? I mean, it debuted to being banned to Ubers, and it's stayed there for 8 years. One of only like... 3 non-legendary pokemon on the Ubers list.
@@travispaskiewicz2663 Mega Kanga is nutty entirely because of its well-rounded stats combined with Parental Bond. Yeah, a base 127 power STAB Return that breaks Focus Sash is really good, but imagine if it was a Fighting-type instead
Honestly, I don't care if you talk about Pokemon, fighting games or whatever you like to enjoy. Your knowledge and your personality is just fun to listen to.
This would help Primeape, but would be really inconsistent on Machamp. Updating Low Kick to it's current effect would help some. It'd be better than Submission, at least.
Gen V was the generation of just balancing in general: bug, fight, dark, flying, hell even learning move pools looool it seemed to take on the top types at the time. Psych for special, ghosts for bulk/speed, and dragon for being super offensive but having bulk/techs
A lot of them are hurt by the lack of offensive moves. Dragon got way better once it got to use it's nearly perfect neutral coverage moves. Bug is the saddest one; it's arguably the most powerful offensive type on paper, since bug was also super effective against poison, giving it loads of doubly super effective hits on the grass poison types, as well as other big players like exeggutor, but their strange decision to only sparsely hand out leech life, and give the only two usable bug type moves to beedrill rendered the type nearly nonexistant offensively. It's a big shame; bug later got the moves it desperately needed in gen 2, but also got nerfed offensively in that gen by the inclusion of steel and being changed to no longer hit poison types super effectively.
Bug was super effective against poison??? xD that's wild man, as someone that praises how gen5 buffed bug typing for the later generations, hearing this from g1 is ASTONISHING!!! But then again, bug and most of the typings had ABYSMAL move pool except water types and normal. (Dat this is crazy...SE against poison no way. I would have never thought it would need a nerf)
@@chnusper I think I commented that idea on a different thread. It's super weird Haha cuz bugs have natural poison but can't go up against human made poison it is indeed a double edge sword :p
@@deeznoots6241 That was randomly slapped into jolteons learnset in yellow, I guess it was their attempt at giving bug moves more attention? Meanwhile the actual bugs that lacked bug coverage still had nothing. I'm honestly not sure why they thought to give the move to Jolteon alone... It's not very strong anyways, it only does okay damage if it's quad super effective, otherwise stuff like hyper beam outclasses it.
Game freak: Ice is an offensive type, just make it resist itself Also Game freak, Gen 2 and on: make Articuno the special defensive one of the trio. 😩😔😢
They make Slow Defensive Ice Type without adding new resistances to the type. Like how come it doesn't resist Water and/or Grass? It's always take me by surprise when I use Mamoswine.
I love how Gamefreak was like "Alright, Ice is the glass cannon type." Then in gen 2 they're like: "Okay, so let's make 2 more types resist Ice and make their new mons either suck with special stat or have bad speed."
I love your branching into also doing Pokemon content, and not just because I'm a fan of pre 3Ds Pokemon, but because in many ways, it shares blood with Fighting Games. Mindgames, the appearance of reccuring characters in vastly different, iterative games, the misconceptions made by noobs, along with the development of metagames decades after the games are out of print. They all paint a picture of a similar environment to FGC Culture.
It really does share a lot with fgs and I think that's a big part of why I love it, I can be an overly passive player sometimes with fgs, but in Pokémon just sitting there and taking time to evaluate your options is key
Gen 1 really demonstrates how types are more than just their damage resistances and super effective matchups. Types with poor movepools or lackluster mons just don't perform like you'd think on paper
And its a good demonstration of how pokemon was originally designed: as a single-player RPG, not as a competitive game. Its supposed to be like an rpg, where you get progressively stronger gear as you move through the game. That's why the bug type pokemon are so ass in gen 1 - they're supposed to be the "iron sword" that you throw away when you get something cooler, and its almost completely irrelevant by the end of the game. Conversely, psychic is so good and has so many good 'mons because its an endgame type that youll need for breaking through the toughest teams. Ghost type only has one pokemon chain become its just fuckin dead people, and its in the game to show you the horror of team Rocket being evil or whatever. Thats why the elite four who uses ghost types has connections to team rocket. Fighting type.... idk man that one feels fucked up and sad. Not sure why they got dicked over like that.
@aaronludwig4715 great points, gamefreak didn't understand their own game, they made a revolutionary game but seemingly in their own eyes they were making just another rpg
Pretty interesting how similar psychic and normal are in gen 1, each having a weakness to a type that its sole user in OU is Jolteon which rarely uses it (so basically no weaknesses), are resisted by only 1 type, and both are immune to ghost (which doesn't matter at all but still fun to note lol)
Normal types are so wild in Gen 1. One thing worth mentioning is that Normals are immune to Body Slam paralysis, so you can switch them in on Body Slam and not worry about being paralyzed. Electric type may or may not warrant moving up b/c Zapdos dumpsters teams without the Grounds (though admittedly Chansey checks it okay). Though granted, it may be a Zapdos thing and not an Electric thing. Though, T-wave is also a pretty strong Electric move. Dragon is a weird one, because it has no offensive moves except Dragon Rage. Again, it's hard to rate since Dragonite is part flying and gets dumpstered by Blizzard (If I remember, I think Cloyster hard counters it?). Though elemental resists, particularly to Electric and Water, are nice and in a vacuum is better defensively than Flying type. Not sure where it'd go or if it's higher than Flying but I just wanted to push back a bit on Dragonite not wanting its Dragon typing, I think Dragonite would be better as a pure Dragon than a Flying type. Also Scyther has a Hyper Beam Slash Swords Dance set in the lower tiers, which doesn't matter much, but thought it was neat to bring up. Other than that, looks about right. Pretty nice vid, hope you expand on the Pokemon shit.
Zapdos up until like, gen 4/5 is consistently one of the best of the... I think they're technically mythic legendaries like all most of the trios are but I could be wrong. It's just a super good, has amazing coverage options consistently throughout its history and even when it eventually drops off that's almost entirely because of how busted the power creep became. And even then it's still a very competent Doubles mon.
Huh, thats a good question: would dragonite be better as normal-flying or normal-dragon? Either way itll have an ice weakness, but dragon gets rid of the rock weakness and the ground immunity. Is that a good trade? As a flying type you already weren't getting much out of the ground immunity against rhydon and golem (rock slide go brrrr), but it does give nice switches against something using the move as coverage. As a dragon type you lose the free switches, but it seems like you dont really get a better matchup against rhydon or golem, as you're still probably never breaking through them with normal type moves. With that aside, the electric swap is really good and the other elemental resistances are.... fine. Idk they dont seem that impactful. Its probably better as a dragon-normal, but it really does seem like the important factor is wether youd rather have the earthquake immunity or the electric resistance, and i dont play enough to know which id rather have.
You should do a history on Flinching in Pokemon Competitive History. The most interesting "hidden" Status Effect better than Freeze and pairs well with Paralyze n potential surpass that.
@@FinalShadowZX Yes ik. But actually my first idea was gonna be "What If Magnemite/Magneton were Electric/Steel Typs in Gen 1" but I'm saving that or you should ask him in his next Pokemon video
I was gonna bitch about how if you demoted Dragon to D, you could've had three types in every tier and make it very aesthetically pleasing, but the end result with of 2-4-3-4-2(-3) still looks overall pretty good.
@@BigYellowSilly Especially since Steel types exist now as an extra resist to normal and are pretty much everywhere, so a Gen 1 style Hyper Beam (and subsequently a Gen 1 style Giga Impact to keep it fair), would have plenty of counterplay to keep them from being OP. The Hyper Beam/Giga Impact copycats like Rock Wrecker should absolutely still have forced recharge though since they're actually super effective against other types.
@@The_Meev Maybe not Giga Impact, gen 1 Hyper Beam would be a nice buff to special attackers but physical attackers *definitely* don't need more high power bs
@@magk2524 that doesn't make up for the raw power physical attackers have Physical attackers have always been a lot stronger than physical attackers, that's just a fact
I just had a diabolical idea: Meloetta in Gen 1. Hyper Beam, Psychic, Swords Dance, and instead of a fourth moveslot you get a pack of tissues to hand out to your opponent
Honestly, I'm loving everything you have to offer. You've brought me interest in games I had passing or very little interest in (MK, SFV, Gen 1 PKMN), and I'm honestly here for anything and everything you wanna talk about. A plus, friend. (plus your nonbinary king's speech idea is god tier I'd watch the shit out of that movie)
From a combination of Japanese sources and stuff we learned from the leaks, it seems Gamefreak knew how problematic Psychic was extremely early on and Dark/Steel were made from the ground up to stop them offensively/defensively. However, originally Normal wasn't going to be touched at all. It was the Nintendo Cup Tournaments that showed Gamefreak how utterly dangerous Normal Types could be, so they made some late changes like making Dark and Steel weak to Fighting to massively buff that type, further nerfing Psychic to help prop up Fighting more, and changing a bunch of movesets around. (Fun Fact: Those tournaments are also why Snorlax got buffed. Snorlax is already at a disadvantage in a pick 3 meta focused on offense, but his slow speed meant he couldn't use OHKO moves and everyone else could use them on him as they couldn't hit faster Pokemon, and it also meant he didn't have a good matchup against evasion users. Not to mention no sleep clause or Freeze clause. He actually got a late buff when Japanese Yellow nerfed blizzard, and this was carried into the Western games shortly after. But Chansey benefited from that more and if you WERE bringing a staller you brought her. Smogon's rule changes, no OHKO, no evasion, pick 6, sleep and freeze clause, unintentionally, were basically perfectly designed to buff Snorlax and fix all his weakpoints. He's Number 2 in OU, he's the Top OU mon in Ubers, he's Number 1 in tradebacks, and he's Top 3 in Stadium thanks to Tauros being nerfed albeit other changes hurt him. Tauros meanwhile wasn't really effected by the changes, he's Number 1 in both Nintendo Cup and Smogon OU and in both metas he fell off hard in Gen 2.)
I love watching your videos about anything. The way you describe things manages to hold my interest even if I have zero knowledge about the game you’re covering. I can watch you describe pretty much anything and enjoy it
Interesting outlook on S tier. Hard to argue either way but I’m leaning psychic by an edge. - 1st because psychic rarely ever gets hit for super effective damage. The closest thing that you can say is “super effective damage” in a competitive scene is a high attacking normal type or ground attack because a lot psychic types are low defense. Even so there are still some psychics that are not so brittle like slowbro or hypno or Eggie. With normal types they also don’t get hit by super much but some pack submission just to deal with chansey. - attacking wise normal never hits for super effective whereas psychic will and can competitively. - in gen 1 special star is all one stat for defense and offense. It’s hard to find a psychic type that doesn’t have a high special stat so the type basically benefits from this as a whole. On the other side normal rarely ever has a high special stat so it’s missing on that benefit. Plus it’s not guaranteed that a normal type has high attack and defense all in one like psychics do with special combined. The only 2 normal type that really benefits a lot special is snorlax and chansey. Chansey innately which is fine but with snorlax you need amnesia. But that’s not a global trend with the type as much as it is specific Pokemon. - move pool wise I think it’s unfair to say that psychics lack options. Yes there are more visible normal attacks being body slam double edge explosion self destruct hyper beam but with more options comes more commitment too. With double edge it’s strong but recoil. With hyper beam you recharge unless you kill. You recharge anyway in stadium. Explosion you die. Body slam is best all around with decent power and utility but much much weaker compared to other options. With psychic you essentially get what you need all in one with no downside. With normal attacks versatility can be good but with limited move slots 2 spots for one type is also a big investment. Normals in gen 1 are almost exclusively normal types besides pidgeot and dodrio yet they still get coverage moves like blizzard etc. however psychic types are not always pure psychic types. A lot of competitive pokes are duel types like Eggie, slowbro, star IE etc. and with that comes other coverage options that’s also hit for stab. IMO it more comes down to utility. Normal is a better defensive type because it has low weaknesses but also more survivability often. Plus it can’t be paralyzed by body slam However psychic is a better offensive type because it’s best move snowballs in effectiveness, it’s attackers usually all have very high special stat, it hits for super effective damage, it has the chance the run dual types fir more damage. Plus there are more faster psychic types that hit hard than there are fast normal types in the meta. I think it’s unfair to blanket all 3 OU Pokemon in normal types to all 3 psychic types. It’s not the typing as much as it is the function of the specific mons. Tauros snorlax and chansey all operate completely different of each other completely independent of their typing. One is a sweeper. One is a special tank brittle on Defense. One is a mix tank who has attacking options on both sides of attack and special. That’s not a byproduct of normal typing. All 3 OU psychic types have common threads. They essentially have no weaknesses because of their typing outside of pin missile. They can control the game with special drops with psychic. They all have high special stat which is basically universal to the type. You can even say they have a common thread in that they have status spread availability seeing that almost every competitive psychic type either has access to thunder wave or some form of sleep spread. They all fully resist their own psychic type which at worst leads to a stall fest. With normal types they hit for neutral. And back to my point because these 3 are independent of one another if you happen to be chansey vs snorlax or Tauros your typing isn’t going to save you. I mean that makes sense right. Normal typing was intended to be a “neutral typing”. One that doesn’t give you any advantages or disadvantages. The only advantage you have is stab while the only disadvantage you have is one fighting weakness. Basically a trade off in theory (although stab in this game is far better than a fighting weakness that doesn’t apply much- gen 2 it’s more neutral). It just so happens that the best 3 Pokémon in the OU game happen to normal because of other factors. Psychic typing is not just felt in the OU tier either. It is felt throughout almost every tier. That’s a byproduct of typing again not just 3 Mons in OU with unique qualities that happen to be normal type. The only other legit normal type in tiers under OU is probably dodrio unless I’m missing someone. Even clefable doesn’t do much. Kangaskan isn’t that great. In lower tiers you have kadabra, hypno, mr mime. Mr mine and kadabra control an entire tier. One is a non fully evolved poke. Outside of the top 3 in OU psychics you still have jnyxx and slowbro. Again that’s a lot of typing reasons. In gen 1 offense > defense Great list though 👍🏻... hard to argue with anything else. A and B tier is hard to judge because it often depends on tiers. If you’re talking UU water is so good there. It has to be on at least A tier. Maybe even S. If I could change anything on your list I’d probably bump water to a tier by itself... then make another tier below that for rock ground and ghost. water still has good mons in OU while dominating UU. I believe it’s the only type in the game that universally resists blizzard while also being able to use it themselves. That not only allows them to check one of the best types in the game but also use it to check grass. Plus it doesn’t have to run water type moves in favor for more coverage and utility with freeze. Also there are 3 water types that are ice and water type. So essentially you trading a rock and fighting weakness for a 4 time resist to ice, freeze immunity and stab blizzard. Nice trade. That 4 times resist and immunity is huge. So while ice is still better because of the one hit KO element water has more utility overall and still can use blizzard just less effectively and with more weaknesses. Rock and ground is always the hardest to judge foe me. It’s essential for OU but it’s hard to use in UU because of water only really checking a few electric like buzz. Not really checking raichu. Often slow and dual weakness so it requires high end decision making/ maintenance to get a payoff. So for me this would be my final tier list. S- psychic ... then normal A+- Ice A minus- water. B+. - ghost rock ground. Basically the immmunity tier for normal and electric types with attacking upside. B minus- electric and grass C- fire, flying, bug, dragon. Can make a case for flying higher due to ground immunity and a few mons with drill peck but it doesn’t outweigh bolt beam weakness. D- Fighting and Poison.
I'd honestly love to see a video where you talk about Gen 1 Mewtwo. It's for sure my pick for the strongest pokemon of all time relative to its generation.
@@capeisdead2987 at or higher than primal requaza in gen 6 even, mewtwo in gen 1 was a must have in every team just because how strong it was, psycic pokemon has literally no weakness, like psychic was immune to ghost and bug can just not exist. Psychic has no weaknesses and most psychic pokemon got a fuck ton of special which is spd and spa.
@@capeisdead2987 like even disregarding mewtwo, psychic was so strong that it had be nerfed in special split and have two added weaknesses in gen 2. No other type was that drastically nerfed like physic, and you know what physic was still good in gen 2 onwards.
All your stuff is great, but I've been really loving the pokemon stuff. Gen 1 in particular has so much weird shit that your content on it is really interesting.
Hell yeah more gen 1 Edit: loved your earlier vid on fighting types btw. “It’s your boy, Poliwrath” is a joke among my circle of friends now; and that vid actually got me interested in gen 1 as a whole haha
This is an awesome upload love the gen 1 coverage, and you are genuinely enjoyable to watch even with your fighting game content. I've never played smash before, but I watched all of your smash vids because your format is very enjoyable to listen too.
Ice started out so hot, but checks like Steel types, and the power of fighting type rising made sure it could never stay viable as a 1 resistance type. Offensively it's amazing, but STAB is often just not worth taking a super-effective close combat or steel hit from the many OU steel types like Bisharp, Melmetal, Urshifu, or Buzzwole.
Kyurem required Dragon Dance and Freeze-Dry to become as dominant as it is. Weavile and Alolan Ninetales are speedy enough to do whatever they need to. They’re not good because they’re Ice type, they’re good and Ice type. Weavile specifically has Brick Break for the Steel types and nice STAB for many other things, including frailer Steel types because Steel does not resist Dark. Alolan Ninetales traditionally sets up Aurora Veil and plays Taunt tricks, and can also almost always attack being pretty fast. You also don’t keep your Alolan Ninetales in against Steel types. As for Kyurem, it’s only that good in OU specifically because it has legendary stats. And it still generally needs to be a stalling-like Pokémon with the general SubRoost/Pressure, or just Substitute in general for extra protection. Kyurem is mainly good not because it’s good, but because on OU level it’s versatile and stally. And it still required three generations, Dragon Dance, and Freeze Dry.
I don't know why but I appreciate the fact that all the Gen 1 starter types are right next to each other. I know that fire is a tier below but it's still right next to Green. Which I feel like that should just make sense, you want your starters to be pretty equally matched as possible.
The cool part of Pokémon that I didn’t realize until gen 8 cut the dex in half is there’s so many ways to play, and it does apply to all gens for the most part. On the 1 player end it can be a casual power fantasy, or you can use every Pokémon you come across leveling them up evenly and entirely changing teams if it starts getting too easy. You can shiny hunt, breed perfect IV mon, or whatever in the post game. -And the main reason I enjoyed gen 8’s single player compared to gen 6 or 7 is Bede. Pokémon rivals were never the same after gen 3 and Bede gave me serious Gary vibes.- On multiplayer you can play casually with friends, trade and complete your dex, and even compete in tournaments.
I feel like there's too many strategies. Even with 6 tiers it doesn't feel like enough, you could probably comfortably make 3 more and you'd still have large amounts of fully evolved pokemon unviable.
@@shawnjavery yeah I think I get what you’re saying. I mean different people look for different things, and even though I don’t play competitive Pokémon I’d say that’s a big appeal to Pokémon. If you’re tired with OU, you can play some UU or NU. People enjoy having options to keep practice without needing to play the same format if they’re bored with it.
Yeah that was the job. Steel and Dark were only hit by so few types, with Dark getting Bug and Fighting (making it so it only got 1 weakness) and then Steel was weak to Fire, Ground and Fighting, resisting everything else. In just 1 gen, Fighting went from a low tier type (Fighting is not worse then Bug in any universe and not worse then Ghost or Dragon because how is a type with more moves and members worse with two types with 1 line and 1 attacking move, one of them being Dragon's, doing 40 damage no matter what) to a top tier type, and remains a top tier type in the modern times
I am SHOCKED you have Fire as high as you do. I always felt Fire was a woefully bad type propped up by being attached to Starters and pokemon with genuinely beefy stats and Fire Spin. I genuinely think it took until overheat and Bug Types that you'd want to use outside of Heracross for me to start respecting fire as something you'd want to run over other things that could cover steel and grass and had far more coverage otherwise.
@@marcoasturias8520 That's true, but that unfortunately doesn't make it a good type defensively, as most people with knowledge of competitive Pokemon will generally tell you that fire is a bad type from a defensive perspective. I feel like a lot of players make the pitfall of thinking that a type is good or bad defensively based on how many weaknesses and resistances it has, but there's a lot more to it than that. A big part of the reason why fire is considered to be such a bad type defensively is because most fire type Pokemon are built to be offensive powerhouses rather than defensive tanks/walls; this isn't to say that there are no viable defensive fire types (I'm looking at you, Heatran), but it's not a playstyle you see the type used in too much. It also doesn't help that the weaknesses the fire type has are not types that you really want a Pokemon to be weak against for one reason or another, and a LOT of the types it is resistant against are either ones that it's already good against offensively, bad types for the most part, or both, which don't really make the types defensive qualities all that appealing when you look at the whole picture, in my opinion
Absolutely loved this. Older gens are criminally underrepresented on UA-cam. I'm mainly a Gen 2 and 3 player, but I've dabbled in Gen 1, and you've inspired me to fully jump in 😊
Pokemon has always been one of the biggest things in my life. I love the series so deeply. From gen 1 to current the generation. So I'm always game to listen to you talk about Pokemon. No matter which channel you throw it on. I'm glad it's working for you though, the UA-cam algorithm is a bitch when one video goes unloved on a channel 🙁
Don’t stop making the fighting game content if you enjoy making them but I’d love for you to make more generation 1 competitive content. It’s a very unique metagame and there really isn’t another UA-camr that covers the tier like you do
Hello there! I discovered your channel about a month ago and now you are one of my most favorite UA-camrs! Thank you for your awesome content. Love your style, voice and topics!
Dragonite finally got to be Normal type in gen 9 and like, tera normal Dragonite is terrifying, if a bit one dimensional. Imagine if it got that 8 gens earlier and then double stab tera normal in gen 9
I am loving the Pokémon content, I've always been into competitive battling, especially post Gen 6, but I never truly got onto the nitty gritty of it all
Tbh i found you through your pokemon content and that did branch into me watching your other content but the pokemon is still some of the most interesting to me, especially since your own personal love shines through
Ya know, from watching your Pokemon Gen 1 vids, all I can think about is some mad lad coming up with a gen 1 doubles simulator. Because that'd just be funny.
These videos are awesome man! I really hope you're proud of them, they are so entertaining and have so much passion! Keep doing as many as (you want) possible!
Always perplexed me why Ghost, a type based on supernatural entities that are typically portrayed as having no physical form, are a physical type before the split. Makes about as much sense as if Fighting was a special type.
Maybe it’s the bias from having grown up with Gen 1, 3, and 4 Pokemon, but I 100% agree that Hyper Beam/Giga Impact not having to recharge upon KO should have been kept. It’s a really cool mechanic, and I don’t even think it would have been that broken at all, even in modern gens. We got way worse stuff to worry about anyway like Libero, Protean, and Grassy Glide under Grassy Terrain fuck rillaboom
@@Joker22593 I thought about that as I was writing the comment, and decided it wouldn’t actually be broken for several reasons 1. Ghost types dunk scarf adaptability Hyper-Beam because they’re locked, if they’re not locked they don’t have a great speed tier 2. Priority Mach Punch (situational response, granted, but there are good Mach Punch, Bullet Punch, and Extremespeed users in Gen 8 OU atm. plus grassy glide rillaboom is I think a 1HKO? haven’t calc’d but I think it’s the case) 3. Steel types prevent it from KO’ing at full, at least the reliable Steel types that don’t have piss poor SpDef. If a steel type is within threat of getting KO’d, then they kind of put themselves in that position. 4. Hyper Beam is 90% accurate. Honestly, it should be 95 or 100% imo, but 90% isn’t atrocious. What this does mean, though, is it’s unreliable for a 6-Pokemon sweep or 8 consecutive uses with nothing going awry.
Melee Rest Area, nice! I love your choices in music selection, damn - been a Kirby fan all my life. Another great vid :) EDIT - Not Butter Building, lmao. Oops.
When you talked about ground, you missed Sandslash, niche pick nowadays but it can be REAL scary with swords dance if your opponent's fast sweepers are paralyzed
I think every type needs a kind of move that’s shared across types like the Fire Punch-Thunder Punch-Ice Punch trio, it should be expanded! Poison Punch, Bug Punch, Dragon Punch, Ghost Punch, etc. Flying has Wing Attack already and Normal has Mega Punch, so perhaps the types without a status linked to the typing could gain a slight boost to the damage to compensate for it being unable to burn, freeze etc. Same with Surf,- Flamethrower-Ice Beam, the whole (or at least some of) type spectrum should be covered. That’s it, I’m buying Gamefreak and making the next game a balanced version of Gen 1! Or someone else could make a rom hack where they add the moves idk.. 😂
I think that the fact that fighting is super effective against the 3 best types being Normal, Ice and Rock should speak for itself enough to be considered better that Poison. Poison is what keeps good Pokémon in check, while fighting is only held back by the lack of a really strong move, which Poison doesn't have either. Plus, Poisoning a Pokémon is pretty much always the worst thing you can do.
Idk on paper that's true but it just never happens in practice, the only remotely common use of a Fighting attack in OU is Jolteon's Double Kick, and it's only ever used vs Chansey or an extremely low health Rhydon or Golem
@@Stachelbeeerchen I wouldn't say just fighting, more like every single freaking type besides Normal it crushed because nothing besides itself resisted it and it had 0 weaknesses
Bug has better resistances than fighting, with effectively equal offense, since the good fighting move is on Hitmonlee, which is shit. So a ground and grass resist>anything fighting has in Gen 1.
Hey! I've been enjoying your videos on competitive pokemon lately. You've got a nice smooth voice that makes your videos perfect for when I'm playing my switch or messing around on my phone. Keep up the good work! 🙂 Love the nails btw!
“Normal and psychic are the best types in gen 1” Ideedee really wishes they had a time machine… But they would have to get in line behind the entire ice and bug types, and every ghost type other than gengar and Shedinja. Also Tauros, especially Tauros.
despite it being a bit overpowered, i miss the old boom. since normal isn't SE against anything and resisted by one and ghosted by another, it was the perfect type to get overpowered moves. now it's like a firecracker because of the defense drop nerf and the addition of steel.
As a modern gen player, seeing poison get ragged on so hard is hilarious. In gen 9 BSS Poison is one of the most common tera types for defensive pokes, alongside fairy, it’s such a stark contrast and I love it LOL
Now that I think of it, ghost type is actually the best type in the game if it was possible to find in isolation. Dark doesn't exist, so its' only weak to itself. And the only ghost type move is lick, which is so bad that it makes pin missile look like a blessing. A pure ghost type would hands down be the best, most busted defensive type in gen 1. If it did get moves, it would be pretty great too. Not hitting psychic (psychic is IMMUNE to ghost in gen 1) sucks, but otherwise hits everything neutrally. Only issue is its' a physical type, and the only ghosts are special oriented. The best gen 1 pokemon you could engineer would be a physically offensive ghost type with useable special and a signature attacking ghost move. That would be untouchable beyond brute force, and it's immune to normal, one of the best types for dealing brute force damage. Makes me wonder what the game would look like if mewtwo was ghost or ghost psychic, that would make it even more broken.
Ghost would be an absolutely horrific attacking type, in this game it doesn’t hit Normal or Psychic types. So like…the top 8 most viable Pokémon in the game.
Great video! The only things I would really change are small things like flying above fire tbh although I do think normal is more meta defining than psychic and deserves an s+ tbh, this is mainly due to the big 3 but also because of proof of its danger with rock and ghost being propelled up in the tiers due to how centralising normal is. Realistically ghost would be a rubbish type without normal being so powerful and rock whilst it would still be good, would probably not be as powerful. Normal versatility is what puts the final nail in the coffin for me though with plenty of different sets snorlax and chansey can actually run that completely changes which matchups they beat.
I have been playing monotype tier since gen 6 and just looking at how high you placed both ice and rock I can definitely say that later gens nerfed the hell out of them since rock is now mid low tier and ice is now bottom 3
I find it hilarious how close this list is to just being an inverted version of later gens. With the exceptions of ground, ghost, poison, bug and maybe normal (not sure on this, normal is hard to place) everything ends up within about one tier of where they should be if you do this.
I’ve pretty much exclusively played Gen 4 and later just because those are the ones I played in game, but I’ve started playing Gen 1 because of your videos and I’m having so much fun with it
Wouldn't a Dragon/Normal version of Dragonite be way scarier than Flying/Normal? Dragon type means it gets all the good resistances with the lessened Ice weakness and Normal STAB Hyper beam nuking everything anyway. Normal/Flying gets same coverage and scary STAB Normal moves but I feel it gets far less from Flying than it would Dragon while still having only a slightly better 2x Ice weakness anyway.
Hey there, BY just wanted to say how much I've been enjoying your videos. I love your perspective, personality and just general flow of all the stuff you put out. Your FG Garbage, Gold and Glance videos have actually been what I've been sleeping to lately. Can't wait to see what you do with the channel in the future! Would love to see more Melee and Smash content in general! And hey idk if you ever just jump in to random matches on Slippi these days but it would be dope if I ran into you sometime!
Ye, assuming it's stats remain mostly the same (besides Special Attack and Defense being blended into a base 95 Special stat or something), it's stats are a bit too mediocre even by gen 1 standards
Hope you don't mind me doing something new with the Pokémon vids, I've something I'm working on in the bg and thought this would be fun to do in the meantime, especially cause I love Gen 1 and I didn't get to talk about it in my last vid. I've you've experience with Gen 1 I'd love to hear what you think! Also ftr the tiers are ordered except for B, made a lil slip at 1:33
Considering a game just came out in the series, have you ever been interested in the tales series? They’re jrpg’s that play like fighting games. The older games in particular have a smash bros like control scheme. Considering you’re videos it’d seem like you’re kinda game.
@@Neogears1312 Never have honestly, but I'll defo look into it cause I've never been a huge RPG guy but there's a handful of unique ones I love
@@BigYellowSilly they’re really good. The newer ones play more like character action but regardless of the game you can typically do some sick ass combos. Even the mages get to be cool in the series despite having cast times. In one of the games you get hybrid characters that can start a spell mid combo then cancel it to charge it in the background of a combo so you have one man assists.
Tf2 bido bls
I'm definitely not a Pokemon player (haven't touched a game since I was, like, 15) but these vids have been a lot of fun! I'm here more for you than specific content, even if I do have some preferences in that regard.
"The synergy between rock/ground is amazing" as someone who has only played later gens this sentence is hilarious
Oml true I never thought about how hard that combo drops off lmaoooo
Rock/Ground is still great coverage to have; it's just not a great type to BE usually
@@breloommaster12 It would be okay to be if any of the Rock/Ground mons were actually fast. The dual STAB is potent, but the weaknesses are big pains for the slow and bulky mons who actually are that type.
Rock and Ground are great at coverage and have synergy against pretty much everything that is good at RBY besides Ice, (and the ocasional mad Slowbro/Starmie with Surf).
But yeah, considering how water is pretty much omnipresent everywhere since Gen 3 onwards, you can't really use Rock/Ground without having into consideration these Pokémon each turn can be obliterated despite being tanky (thank goodness Sturdy exists now).
@@heavylobster4339 rock ground is still really good, the problem is the majority of the ground rock types blow. Rhyperior managed to break ou in the isle of armor so maybe there is still hope
Electric Type only became immune to Paralysis with Gen 6.
Stunfisk has Limber as one of its Abilities and could only make use of it for one Gen.
Stunfisk can't catch a break lmao
Stunfisk could potentially lose the type and now use the effect
And besides having Limber, it was already ground type and therefore immune to Thunder Wave regardless, the most common paralysis movie.
So yeah, Stunfisk really has the worst compounded typing and ability. :P
@@vannsylten6765 *movie* lol
@@vannsylten6765 yeah, I rotomfanagree
Melee's Allstar rest area makes anything immediately more chill
It's too good fr
It's the most memorable track in Kirby Superstar Ultra. :)
@@sulkursell9130 Agreed, I love all versions of it
It’s cause Kirby is the best
Melee’s All Star Rest Area is like the best song in all of gaming, definitely up there.
I feel like Gen 1 discussions almost always default on Psychic type being the top dog, so it's refreshing to hear someone make mention of how utterly dominant Normal type is, especially in OU. Of all the types, I think it has the widest variety of strong, reliable, oftentimes no-drawback STAB moves. And the ubiquity of Hyper Beam is self-evident. I honestly miss Normal being so competitively relevant. Kinda wish with the advent of Fairies, that Normal types could hit them for super effective damage (normal humans caging fairies could explain that type interaction).
It's probably because the only Uber tier Pokémon in gen 1 are both Psychic. Mew and Mewtwo would be just as absurd as any number of typing from raw stats and movepool alone but being Psychic in particular makes Mewtwo even more ridiculous. If you exclude them then yeah Normal has the best Pokémon in the OU tier overall but including them makes Psychic absurd.
If I was him, I will put psychic on his tier, upper the S tier, because this type in the 1st gen is so broken.
... you just forget that Mega Kangaskahn exists? I mean, it debuted to being banned to Ubers, and it's stayed there for 8 years. One of only like... 3 non-legendary pokemon on the Ubers list.
@@travispaskiewicz2663 Mega Kanga is nutty entirely because of its well-rounded stats combined with Parental Bond. Yeah, a base 127 power STAB Return that breaks Focus Sash is really good, but imagine if it was a Fighting-type instead
@@caldw615 yeah but they’d be equally absurd as normal types. It’s not their type it’s their sheer stats and complete unpredictability.
Honestly, I don't care if you talk about Pokemon, fighting games or whatever you like to enjoy. Your knowledge and your personality is just fun to listen to.
Then I third this (I think I said that correctly)
Summed up my thoughts perfectly
Big Yellow's passion in whatever hes talking about it is edvident
The fucking‘s are killing me
Girafarig showed up a gen late lol
You know what would make Fighting types at least a little more viable?
If Karate Chop was actually Fighting type.
This would help Primeape, but would be really inconsistent on Machamp.
Updating Low Kick to it's current effect would help some. It'd be better than Submission, at least.
It’s funny how “fighting” is the worst type in a game about monsters fighting each other
TRUE like that's the whole point of them but they just get clapped by everything
Yeah and then Gen 5 you got big fighting type behemoths clobbering each other.
@@MantaRaydiated Terrakion intensifies
On a fighting game channel too lol
And the fact that Pokémon was inspired by bug catching yet the type is pretty trash
Gen V was the Fighting-type redemption arc
Fighting Types took their time getting really crazy but when they did yikes
It all started when Close Combat appeared, and give the Fighting Types a good move to destroy.
Imo gen V was the "revenge on psychic types arc" cause in terms of new pokemon the Unova ghost, dark and especially bug types were almost all potent
@@troykv96 adamant staraptor w CC to rock types while giving it Intimidate for knowing rock types are offensive 😎 best check ever created
Gen V was the generation of just balancing in general: bug, fight, dark, flying, hell even learning move pools looool it seemed to take on the top types at the time. Psych for special, ghosts for bulk/speed, and dragon for being super offensive but having bulk/techs
"If Dragonite was normal/flying, that shit would be DiSGusTing"
Little did you know tera normal dragonite was around the corner
A lot of them are hurt by the lack of offensive moves. Dragon got way better once it got to use it's nearly perfect neutral coverage moves. Bug is the saddest one; it's arguably the most powerful offensive type on paper, since bug was also super effective against poison, giving it loads of doubly super effective hits on the grass poison types, as well as other big players like exeggutor, but their strange decision to only sparsely hand out leech life, and give the only two usable bug type moves to beedrill rendered the type nearly nonexistant offensively. It's a big shame; bug later got the moves it desperately needed in gen 2, but also got nerfed offensively in that gen by the inclusion of steel and being changed to no longer hit poison types super effectively.
Bug was super effective against poison??? xD that's wild man, as someone that praises how gen5 buffed bug typing for the later generations, hearing this from g1 is ASTONISHING!!! But then again, bug and most of the typings had ABYSMAL move pool except water types and normal. (Dat this is crazy...SE against poison no way. I would have never thought it would need a nerf)
@@trxxblx-wxs-hxrx However, Poison was super effective against Bug aswell. Meaning it was a double-edged sword :P
@@chnusper I think I commented that idea on a different thread. It's super weird Haha cuz bugs have natural poison but can't go up against human made poison it is indeed a double edge sword :p
Didn’t Jolteon run pin missile?
@@deeznoots6241 That was randomly slapped into jolteons learnset in yellow, I guess it was their attempt at giving bug moves more attention? Meanwhile the actual bugs that lacked bug coverage still had nothing. I'm honestly not sure why they thought to give the move to Jolteon alone... It's not very strong anyways, it only does okay damage if it's quad super effective, otherwise stuff like hyper beam outclasses it.
Game freak: Ice is an offensive type, just make it resist itself
Also Game freak, Gen 2 and on: make Articuno the special defensive one of the trio.
😩😔😢
They make Slow Defensive Ice Type without adding new resistances to the type.
Like how come it doesn't resist Water and/or Grass? It's always take me by surprise when I use Mamoswine.
Poor regice
I love how Gamefreak was like "Alright, Ice is the glass cannon type."
Then in gen 2 they're like: "Okay, so let's make 2 more types resist Ice and make their new mons either suck with special stat or have bad speed."
Moltres or Zapdos should have been the specially defensive ones since there actually used defensively
@@airtempest8945 The fact hail doesn't intrinsically buff ice types is a crying shame.
I love your branching into also doing Pokemon content, and not just because I'm a fan of pre 3Ds Pokemon, but because in many ways, it shares blood with Fighting Games.
Mindgames, the appearance of reccuring characters in vastly different, iterative games, the misconceptions made by noobs, along with the development of metagames decades after the games are out of print. They all paint a picture of a similar environment to FGC Culture.
It really does share a lot with fgs and I think that's a big part of why I love it, I can be an overly passive player sometimes with fgs, but in Pokémon just sitting there and taking time to evaluate your options is key
And panda has sponsored some Pokémon players.
@@pmahcgop6693 lol all those panda players are sadly convicted hackers
@@yobobby9 Your point is?
@@yobobby9 verlisify's channel is over there m8
Gen 1 really demonstrates how types are more than just their damage resistances and super effective matchups. Types with poor movepools or lackluster mons just don't perform like you'd think on paper
And its a good demonstration of how pokemon was originally designed: as a single-player RPG, not as a competitive game.
Its supposed to be like an rpg, where you get progressively stronger gear as you move through the game. That's why the bug type pokemon are so ass in gen 1 - they're supposed to be the "iron sword" that you throw away when you get something cooler, and its almost completely irrelevant by the end of the game. Conversely, psychic is so good and has so many good 'mons because its an endgame type that youll need for breaking through the toughest teams.
Ghost type only has one pokemon chain become its just fuckin dead people, and its in the game to show you the horror of team Rocket being evil or whatever. Thats why the elite four who uses ghost types has connections to team rocket.
Fighting type.... idk man that one feels fucked up and sad. Not sure why they got dicked over like that.
@aaronludwig4715 great points, gamefreak didn't understand their own game, they made a revolutionary game but seemingly in their own eyes they were making just another rpg
Pretty interesting how similar psychic and normal are in gen 1, each having a weakness to a type that its sole user in OU is Jolteon which rarely uses it (so basically no weaknesses), are resisted by only 1 type, and both are immune to ghost (which doesn't matter at all but still fun to note lol)
Normal types are so wild in Gen 1. One thing worth mentioning is that Normals are immune to Body Slam paralysis, so you can switch them in on Body Slam and not worry about being paralyzed.
Electric type may or may not warrant moving up b/c Zapdos dumpsters teams without the Grounds (though admittedly Chansey checks it okay). Though granted, it may be a Zapdos thing and not an Electric thing. Though, T-wave is also a pretty strong Electric move.
Dragon is a weird one, because it has no offensive moves except Dragon Rage. Again, it's hard to rate since Dragonite is part flying and gets dumpstered by Blizzard (If I remember, I think Cloyster hard counters it?). Though elemental resists, particularly to Electric and Water, are nice and in a vacuum is better defensively than Flying type. Not sure where it'd go or if it's higher than Flying but I just wanted to push back a bit on Dragonite not wanting its Dragon typing, I think Dragonite would be better as a pure Dragon than a Flying type.
Also Scyther has a Hyper Beam Slash Swords Dance set in the lower tiers, which doesn't matter much, but thought it was neat to bring up.
Other than that, looks about right. Pretty nice vid, hope you expand on the Pokemon shit.
Zapdos up until like, gen 4/5 is consistently one of the best of the... I think they're technically mythic legendaries like all most of the trios are but I could be wrong. It's just a super good, has amazing coverage options consistently throughout its history and even when it eventually drops off that's almost entirely because of how busted the power creep became. And even then it's still a very competent Doubles mon.
Great points!
Huh, thats a good question: would dragonite be better as normal-flying or normal-dragon?
Either way itll have an ice weakness, but dragon gets rid of the rock weakness and the ground immunity. Is that a good trade?
As a flying type you already weren't getting much out of the ground immunity against rhydon and golem (rock slide go brrrr), but it does give nice switches against something using the move as coverage.
As a dragon type you lose the free switches, but it seems like you dont really get a better matchup against rhydon or golem, as you're still probably never breaking through them with normal type moves.
With that aside, the electric swap is really good and the other elemental resistances are.... fine. Idk they dont seem that impactful.
Its probably better as a dragon-normal, but it really does seem like the important factor is wether youd rather have the earthquake immunity or the electric resistance, and i dont play enough to know which id rather have.
You should do a history on Flinching in Pokemon Competitive History.
The most interesting "hidden" Status Effect better than Freeze and pairs well with Paralyze n potential surpass that.
My most hated strategy.
Togekiss with Thunder Wave/Air Slash with Serene Grace. Never forget my first online match in Gen 5.
@@FinalShadowZX Yes ik.
But actually my first idea was gonna be "What If Magnemite/Magneton were Electric/Steel Typs in Gen 1" but I'm saving that or you should ask him in his next Pokemon video
I was gonna bitch about how if you demoted Dragon to D, you could've had three types in every tier and make it very aesthetically pleasing, but the end result with of 2-4-3-4-2(-3) still looks overall pretty good.
We love a nice lil pattern with our tier lists
Dragon only had 1 that always did 40 damage and only 1 line of Pokemon (Dragonite Line)
I don't miss most of the gen 1 jank but I agree 100% hyper beam should come back to gen 1
Like I don't think it would be broken cause if they switch to something that can tank a Hyper Beam you're still done
@@BigYellowSilly Especially since Steel types exist now as an extra resist to normal and are pretty much everywhere, so a Gen 1 style Hyper Beam (and subsequently a Gen 1 style Giga Impact to keep it fair), would have plenty of counterplay to keep them from being OP. The Hyper Beam/Giga Impact copycats like Rock Wrecker should absolutely still have forced recharge though since they're actually super effective against other types.
@@The_Meev Maybe not Giga Impact, gen 1 Hyper Beam would be a nice buff to special attackers but physical attackers *definitely* don't need more high power bs
@@azurabbit12 im pretty sure special attackers are better because they usually have better coverage plus no burn to fear
@@magk2524 that doesn't make up for the raw power physical attackers have
Physical attackers have always been a lot stronger than physical attackers, that's just a fact
It's rough when your favorite type is Poison but your favorite metagame is Gen 1.
Fighting game and pokemon videos are my favorite! I'm so glad you're doing both of them.
I think they got a lot in common so it's sick to see people enjoying both
I just had a diabolical idea: Meloetta in Gen 1. Hyper Beam, Psychic, Swords Dance, and instead of a fourth moveslot you get a pack of tissues to hand out to your opponent
bring in relic song to also sleep something
Honestly, I'm loving everything you have to offer. You've brought me interest in games I had passing or very little interest in (MK, SFV, Gen 1 PKMN), and I'm honestly here for anything and everything you wanna talk about. A plus, friend.
(plus your nonbinary king's speech idea is god tier I'd watch the shit out of that movie)
From a combination of Japanese sources and stuff we learned from the leaks, it seems Gamefreak knew how problematic Psychic was extremely early on and Dark/Steel were made from the ground up to stop them offensively/defensively. However, originally Normal wasn't going to be touched at all. It was the Nintendo Cup Tournaments that showed Gamefreak how utterly dangerous Normal Types could be, so they made some late changes like making Dark and Steel weak to Fighting to massively buff that type, further nerfing Psychic to help prop up Fighting more, and changing a bunch of movesets around.
(Fun Fact: Those tournaments are also why Snorlax got buffed. Snorlax is already at a disadvantage in a pick 3 meta focused on offense, but his slow speed meant he couldn't use OHKO moves and everyone else could use them on him as they couldn't hit faster Pokemon, and it also meant he didn't have a good matchup against evasion users. Not to mention no sleep clause or Freeze clause. He actually got a late buff when Japanese Yellow nerfed blizzard, and this was carried into the Western games shortly after. But Chansey benefited from that more and if you WERE bringing a staller you brought her. Smogon's rule changes, no OHKO, no evasion, pick 6, sleep and freeze clause, unintentionally, were basically perfectly designed to buff Snorlax and fix all his weakpoints. He's Number 2 in OU, he's the Top OU mon in Ubers, he's Number 1 in tradebacks, and he's Top 3 in Stadium thanks to Tauros being nerfed albeit other changes hurt him. Tauros meanwhile wasn't really effected by the changes, he's Number 1 in both Nintendo Cup and Smogon OU and in both metas he fell off hard in Gen 2.)
I love watching your videos about anything. The way you describe things manages to hold my interest even if I have zero knowledge about the game you’re covering. I can watch you describe pretty much anything and enjoy it
Interesting outlook on S tier. Hard to argue either way but I’m leaning psychic by an edge.
- 1st because psychic rarely ever gets hit for super effective damage. The closest thing that you can say is “super effective damage” in a competitive scene is a high attacking normal type or ground attack because a lot psychic types are low defense. Even so there are still some psychics that are not so brittle like slowbro or hypno or Eggie. With normal types they also don’t get hit by super much but some pack submission just to deal with chansey.
- attacking wise normal never hits for super effective whereas psychic will and can competitively.
- in gen 1 special star is all one stat for defense and offense. It’s hard to find a psychic type that doesn’t have a high special stat so the type basically benefits from this as a whole. On the other side normal rarely ever has a high special stat so it’s missing on that benefit. Plus it’s not guaranteed that a normal type has high attack and defense all in one like psychics do with special combined. The only 2 normal type that really benefits a lot special is snorlax and chansey. Chansey innately which is fine but with snorlax you need amnesia. But that’s not a global trend with the type as much as it is specific Pokemon.
- move pool wise I think it’s unfair to say that psychics lack options. Yes there are more visible normal attacks being body slam double edge explosion self destruct hyper beam but with more options comes more commitment too. With double edge it’s strong but recoil. With hyper beam you recharge unless you kill. You recharge anyway in stadium. Explosion you die. Body slam is best all around with decent power and utility but much much weaker compared to other options.
With psychic you essentially get what you need all in one with no downside. With normal attacks versatility can be good but with limited move slots 2 spots for one type is also a big investment.
Normals in gen 1 are almost exclusively normal types besides pidgeot and dodrio yet they still get coverage moves like blizzard etc. however psychic types are not always pure psychic types. A lot of competitive pokes are duel types like Eggie, slowbro, star IE etc. and with that comes other coverage options that’s also hit for stab.
IMO it more comes down to utility. Normal is a better defensive type because it has low weaknesses but also more survivability often. Plus it can’t be paralyzed by body slam
However psychic is a better offensive type because it’s best move snowballs in effectiveness, it’s attackers usually all have very high special stat, it hits for super effective damage, it has the chance the run dual types fir more damage. Plus there are more faster psychic types that hit hard than there are fast normal types in the meta.
I think it’s unfair to blanket all 3 OU Pokemon in normal types to all 3 psychic types. It’s not the typing as much as it is the function of the specific mons. Tauros snorlax and chansey all operate completely different of each other completely independent of their typing. One is a sweeper. One is a special tank brittle on Defense. One is a mix tank who has attacking options on both sides of attack and special. That’s not a byproduct of normal typing.
All 3 OU psychic types have common threads. They essentially have no weaknesses because of their typing outside of pin missile. They can control the game with special drops with psychic. They all have high special stat which is basically universal to the type. You can even say they have a common thread in that they have status spread availability seeing that almost every competitive psychic type either has access to thunder wave or some form of sleep spread. They all fully resist their own psychic type which at worst leads to a stall fest. With normal types they hit for neutral. And back to my point because these 3 are independent of one another if you happen to be chansey vs snorlax or Tauros your typing isn’t going to save you.
I mean that makes sense right. Normal typing was intended to be a “neutral typing”. One that doesn’t give you any advantages or disadvantages. The only advantage you have is stab while the only disadvantage you have is one fighting weakness. Basically a trade off in theory (although stab in this game is far better than a fighting weakness that doesn’t apply much- gen 2 it’s more neutral). It just so happens that the best 3 Pokémon in the OU game happen to normal because of other factors.
Psychic typing is not just felt in the OU tier either. It is felt throughout almost every tier. That’s a byproduct of typing again not just 3 Mons in OU with unique qualities that happen to be normal type. The only other legit normal type in tiers under OU is probably dodrio unless I’m missing someone. Even clefable doesn’t do much. Kangaskan isn’t that great. In lower tiers you have kadabra, hypno, mr mime. Mr mine and kadabra control an entire tier. One is a non fully evolved poke.
Outside of the top 3 in OU psychics you still have jnyxx and slowbro. Again that’s a lot of typing reasons.
In gen 1 offense > defense
Great list though 👍🏻... hard to argue with anything else. A and B tier is hard to judge because it often depends on tiers. If you’re talking UU water is so good there. It has to be on at least A tier. Maybe even S.
If I could change anything on your list I’d probably bump water to a tier by itself... then make another tier below that for rock ground and ghost.
water still has good mons in OU while dominating UU. I believe it’s the only type in the game that universally resists blizzard while also being able to use it themselves. That not only allows them to check one of the best types in the game but also use it to check grass. Plus it doesn’t have to run water type moves in favor for more coverage and utility with freeze.
Also there are 3 water types that are ice and water type. So essentially you trading a rock and fighting weakness for a 4 time resist to ice, freeze immunity and stab blizzard. Nice trade. That 4 times resist and immunity is huge.
So while ice is still better because of the one hit KO element water has more utility overall and still can use blizzard just less effectively and with more weaknesses.
Rock and ground is always the hardest to judge foe me. It’s essential for OU but it’s hard to use in UU because of water only really checking a few electric like buzz. Not really checking raichu. Often slow and dual weakness so it requires high end decision making/ maintenance to get a payoff.
So for me this would be my final tier list.
S- psychic ... then normal
A+- Ice
A minus- water.
B+. - ghost rock ground. Basically the immmunity tier for normal and electric types with attacking upside.
B minus- electric and grass
C- fire, flying, bug, dragon. Can make a case for flying higher due to ground immunity and a few mons with drill peck but it doesn’t outweigh bolt beam weakness.
D- Fighting and Poison.
I'd honestly love to see a video where you talk about Gen 1 Mewtwo.
It's for sure my pick for the strongest pokemon of all time relative to its generation.
The smogon page of it is pure gold
@@capeisdead2987 at or higher than primal requaza in gen 6 even, mewtwo in gen 1 was a must have in every team just because how strong it was, psycic pokemon has literally no weakness, like psychic was immune to ghost and bug can just not exist.
Psychic has no weaknesses and most psychic pokemon got a fuck ton of special which is spd and spa.
@@capeisdead2987 like even disregarding mewtwo, psychic was so strong that it had be nerfed in special split and have two added weaknesses in gen 2.
No other type was that drastically nerfed like physic, and you know what physic was still good in gen 2 onwards.
@@Nitosa honorable mention goes to steel. It lost 3 resistances in gen 6 (psychic, ghost, and dark)
@@theiceman4494 steel only lost 2 resistances to ghost and dark, it still resists psychic
All your stuff is great, but I've been really loving the pokemon stuff. Gen 1 in particular has so much weird shit that your content on it is really interesting.
I'm super happy to see so many people enjoying it cause I defo worried bout the reception when I started it
Imagine Mega Pidgeot with gen 1 hyper beam, that would be sick af
Hyper beam would be physical tho
going back to these is crazy the yassification hadn't even progressed beyond painted nails yet
The what? Lol
Hell yeah more gen 1
Edit: loved your earlier vid on fighting types btw. “It’s your boy, Poliwrath” is a joke among my circle of friends now; and that vid actually got me interested in gen 1 as a whole haha
Man I miss 2d sprites, bw2 pokemon sprites had so much personality
This is an awesome upload love the gen 1 coverage, and you are genuinely enjoyable to watch even with your fighting game content. I've never played smash before, but I watched all of your smash vids because your format is very enjoyable to listen too.
I've been saying for years that Normal is best in gen 1, not psychic, so it's awesome seeing this video!
Ice started out so hot, but checks like Steel types, and the power of fighting type rising made sure it could never stay viable as a 1 resistance type. Offensively it's amazing, but STAB is often just not worth taking a super-effective close combat or steel hit from the many OU steel types like Bisharp, Melmetal, Urshifu, or Buzzwole.
idk what ur talking about, weavile is great in swsh ou, a-ninetails sees use as a hail lead, and kyurem speaks for itself
Kyurem required Dragon Dance and Freeze-Dry to become as dominant as it is. Weavile and Alolan Ninetales are speedy enough to do whatever they need to. They’re not good because they’re Ice type, they’re good and Ice type.
Weavile specifically has Brick Break for the Steel types and nice STAB for many other things, including frailer Steel types because Steel does not resist Dark. Alolan Ninetales traditionally sets up Aurora Veil and plays Taunt tricks, and can also almost always attack being pretty fast. You also don’t keep your Alolan Ninetales in against Steel types. As for Kyurem, it’s only that good in OU specifically because it has legendary stats. And it still generally needs to be a stalling-like Pokémon with the general SubRoost/Pressure, or just Substitute in general for extra protection. Kyurem is mainly good not because it’s good, but because on OU level it’s versatile and stally. And it still required three generations, Dragon Dance, and Freeze Dry.
I’ll never get tired of Gen 1 metagame content
I don't know why but I appreciate the fact that all the Gen 1 starter types are right next to each other. I know that fire is a tier below but it's still right next to Green.
Which I feel like that should just make sense, you want your starters to be pretty equally matched as possible.
Having pokemon content here was a big suprise yet its been some of my favorite stuff
The cool part of Pokémon that I didn’t realize until gen 8 cut the dex in half is there’s so many ways to play, and it does apply to all gens for the most part.
On the 1 player end it can be a casual power fantasy, or you can use every Pokémon you come across leveling them up evenly and entirely changing teams if it starts getting too easy. You can shiny hunt, breed perfect IV mon, or whatever in the post game.
-And the main reason I enjoyed gen 8’s single player compared to gen 6 or 7 is Bede. Pokémon rivals were never the same after gen 3 and Bede gave me serious Gary vibes.-
On multiplayer you can play casually with friends, trade and complete your dex, and even compete in tournaments.
I feel like there's too many strategies. Even with 6 tiers it doesn't feel like enough, you could probably comfortably make 3 more and you'd still have large amounts of fully evolved pokemon unviable.
@@shawnjavery yeah I think I get what you’re saying.
I mean different people look for different things, and even though I don’t play competitive Pokémon I’d say that’s a big appeal to Pokémon.
If you’re tired with OU, you can play some UU or NU. People enjoy having options to keep practice without needing to play the same format if they’re bored with it.
Dark was introduced in Gen 2 to counter Psychic, so do you think Steel was added as well to both Nerf Normal and Buff Fighting?
Yeah that was the job. Steel and Dark were only hit by so few types, with Dark getting Bug and Fighting (making it so it only got 1 weakness) and then Steel was weak to Fire, Ground and Fighting, resisting everything else. In just 1 gen, Fighting went from a low tier type (Fighting is not worse then Bug in any universe and not worse then Ghost or Dragon because how is a type with more moves and members worse with two types with 1 line and 1 attacking move, one of them being Dragon's, doing 40 damage no matter what) to a top tier type, and remains a top tier type in the modern times
I am SHOCKED you have Fire as high as you do. I always felt Fire was a woefully bad type propped up by being attached to Starters and pokemon with genuinely beefy stats and Fire Spin. I genuinely think it took until overheat and Bug Types that you'd want to use outside of Heracross for me to start respecting fire as something you'd want to run over other things that could cover steel and grass and had far more coverage otherwise.
To be fair I think Fire in RBY is hard carried by Motres, as great as it is there aren't really any decent Fire types outside of it
Fire has a lot of resistances, they are nice to have around... Uh, it has more from gen 2 onwards, since they didn't resist ice in 1.
@@marcoasturias8520 That's true, but that unfortunately doesn't make it a good type defensively, as most people with knowledge of competitive Pokemon will generally tell you that fire is a bad type from a defensive perspective. I feel like a lot of players make the pitfall of thinking that a type is good or bad defensively based on how many weaknesses and resistances it has, but there's a lot more to it than that. A big part of the reason why fire is considered to be such a bad type defensively is because most fire type Pokemon are built to be offensive powerhouses rather than defensive tanks/walls; this isn't to say that there are no viable defensive fire types (I'm looking at you, Heatran), but it's not a playstyle you see the type used in too much. It also doesn't help that the weaknesses the fire type has are not types that you really want a Pokemon to be weak against for one reason or another, and a LOT of the types it is resistant against are either ones that it's already good against offensively, bad types for the most part, or both, which don't really make the types defensive qualities all that appealing when you look at the whole picture, in my opinion
Absolutely loved this. Older gens are criminally underrepresented on UA-cam. I'm mainly a Gen 2 and 3 player, but I've dabbled in Gen 1, and you've inspired me to fully jump in 😊
Glad to hear! More gen 1 fans is always good in my book
Pokemon has always been one of the biggest things in my life. I love the series so deeply. From gen 1 to current the generation. So I'm always game to listen to you talk about Pokemon. No matter which channel you throw it on. I'm glad it's working for you though, the UA-cam algorithm is a bitch when one video goes unloved on a channel 🙁
Don’t stop making the fighting game content if you enjoy making them but I’d love for you to make more generation 1 competitive content. It’s a very unique metagame and there really isn’t another UA-camr that covers the tier like you do
i absolutely love this pokemon content. Its just as good as the fighting game stuff
It's interesting returning to pre-yassification Big Yellow
Pre-what?
never thought i’d find someone who focuses on fighting games and competitive pokémon! my two favorite things at one place, this is awesome
Hello there!
I discovered your channel about a month ago and now you are one of my most favorite UA-camrs!
Thank you for your awesome content.
Love your style, voice and topics!
Thanks! Really means a lot to hear that (:
Dragonite finally got to be Normal type in gen 9 and like, tera normal Dragonite is terrifying, if a bit one dimensional. Imagine if it got that 8 gens earlier and then double stab tera normal in gen 9
"That shit dies if rock looks at it funny" 🤣🤣
As a Gen 4/5 player it’s good to get a different perspective on a different generation
Yeah it's very different than Gen 4/5 where Fighting type is one of the strongest types, and being Normal type is a liability.
I don't play gen 1, I have no idea why I clicked this video but I like you and your voice, this is good content, with a high quality
I am loving the Pokémon content, I've always been into competitive battling, especially post Gen 6, but I never truly got onto the nitty gritty of it all
I recognise the tune in the background, but can't for the life of me remember what it's called. Please jog my memory before I lose my mind
All-Star Rest Area, from Super Smash Bros Melee
Tbh i found you through your pokemon content and that did branch into me watching your other content but the pokemon is still some of the most interesting to me, especially since your own personal love shines through
Idk why youtube told me this was uploaded 2 years ago in a notification but I'm vibing with it
Ya know, from watching your Pokemon Gen 1 vids, all I can think about is some mad lad coming up with a gen 1 doubles simulator. Because that'd just be funny.
These videos are awesome man! I really hope you're proud of them, they are so entertaining and have so much passion! Keep doing as many as (you want) possible!
Always perplexed me why Ghost, a type based on supernatural entities that are typically portrayed as having no physical form, are a physical type before the split. Makes about as much sense as if Fighting was a special type.
shadow ball lowering special defense in gen 3 will never not be funny to me. like huh
Been saying that they should have flipped ghost and dark. Shadow ball being physical and crunch being special is so counterintuitive
Maybe it’s the bias from having grown up with Gen 1, 3, and 4 Pokemon, but I 100% agree that Hyper Beam/Giga Impact not having to recharge upon KO should have been kept. It’s a really cool mechanic, and I don’t even think it would have been that broken at all, even in modern gens. We got way worse stuff to worry about anyway like Libero, Protean, and Grassy Glide under Grassy Terrain
fuck rillaboom
Its so sad i was so hype for grassy surge rillaboom. Grassy glide makes it sooo cheeze tho. Its too strong
All my homies hate calyrex shadow. Good thing bisharp can use sucker punch :)
@@JustButton just use boufalant
I mean... Porygon-Z hyperbeam sweep with a choice item and no recharge seems like it would be a bit much.
@@Joker22593 I thought about that as I was writing the comment, and decided it wouldn’t actually be broken for several reasons
1. Ghost types dunk scarf adaptability Hyper-Beam because they’re locked, if they’re not locked they don’t have a great speed tier
2. Priority Mach Punch (situational response, granted, but there are good Mach Punch, Bullet Punch, and Extremespeed users in Gen 8 OU atm. plus grassy glide rillaboom is I think a 1HKO? haven’t calc’d but I think it’s the case)
3. Steel types prevent it from KO’ing at full, at least the reliable Steel types that don’t have piss poor SpDef. If a steel type is within threat of getting KO’d, then they kind of put themselves in that position.
4. Hyper Beam is 90% accurate. Honestly, it should be 95 or 100% imo, but 90% isn’t atrocious. What this does mean, though, is it’s unreliable for a 6-Pokemon sweep or 8 consecutive uses with nothing going awry.
Melee Rest Area, nice! I love your choices in music selection, damn - been a Kirby fan all my life. Another great vid :)
EDIT - Not Butter Building, lmao. Oops.
all that i gathered from this video is that i so badly want to see the nonbinary monarchy movie
When you talked about ground, you missed Sandslash, niche pick nowadays but it can be REAL scary with swords dance if your opponent's fast sweepers are paralyzed
Pinsir doesn't get Pin Missile, despite having 'pin' in its name. Poor guy.
You know I never thought of that but that's crazy, I wish Gen 1 had some generic Bug move with ok power and good distribution
I think every type needs a kind of move that’s shared across types like the Fire Punch-Thunder Punch-Ice Punch trio, it should be expanded! Poison Punch, Bug Punch, Dragon Punch, Ghost Punch, etc. Flying has Wing Attack already and Normal has Mega Punch, so perhaps the types without a status linked to the typing could gain a slight boost to the damage to compensate for it being unable to burn, freeze etc. Same with Surf,- Flamethrower-Ice Beam, the whole (or at least some of) type spectrum should be covered. That’s it, I’m buying Gamefreak and making the next game a balanced version of Gen 1! Or someone else could make a rom hack where they add the moves idk.. 😂
As of gen 6, electrics can't be paralyzed. No changes to thunder wave specifically
That awkward moment when Jolteon is both your best Fighting Type and best Bug Type.
I think that the fact that fighting is super effective against the 3 best types being Normal, Ice and Rock should speak for itself enough to be considered better that Poison. Poison is what keeps good Pokémon in check, while fighting is only held back by the lack of a really strong move, which Poison doesn't have either. Plus, Poisoning a Pokémon is pretty much always the worst thing you can do.
Idk on paper that's true but it just never happens in practice, the only remotely common use of a Fighting attack in OU is Jolteon's Double Kick, and it's only ever used vs Chansey or an extremely low health Rhydon or Golem
The Non-binary monarchy of Underused sounds cool as hell.
Dragon always had a unique niche, resistance against starter types is unique, but overall dragon is pretty underwhelming
Im loving the pokemon videos these are by far the most interesting
Bug type be like: "Ive got a single damaging move with 15 basepower!"
Yeah it's dumb to call Fighting the worst when Bug exists
@@wubbers662 Fighting is just ranked that low because of Psychic being the balancing weirdo that it was.
@@Stachelbeeerchen I wouldn't say just fighting, more like every single freaking type besides Normal it crushed because nothing besides itself resisted it and it had 0 weaknesses
Bug has better resistances than fighting, with effectively equal offense, since the good fighting move is on Hitmonlee, which is shit.
So a ground and grass resist>anything fighting has in Gen 1.
I was gonna make a meme comment about you not including steel, dark, and fairy, but you did include them on the list. Well played
"The normal types are just better than the psychic types"
Both ubers: "Are we a joke to you?"
Hey! I've been enjoying your videos on competitive pokemon lately. You've got a nice smooth voice that makes your videos perfect for when I'm playing my switch or messing around on my phone. Keep up the good work! 🙂
Love the nails btw!
“Normal and psychic are the best types in gen 1” Ideedee really wishes they had a time machine…
But they would have to get in line behind the entire ice and bug types, and every ghost type other than gengar and Shedinja. Also Tauros, especially Tauros.
Honestly thank you for covering gen 1 I love the jank meta
You got mad range bro..your channel so underrated
despite it being a bit overpowered, i miss the old boom. since normal isn't SE against anything and resisted by one and ghosted by another, it was the perfect type to get overpowered moves. now it's like a firecracker because of the defense drop nerf and the addition of steel.
As a modern gen player, seeing poison get ragged on so hard is hilarious.
In gen 9 BSS Poison is one of the most common tera types for defensive pokes, alongside fairy, it’s such a stark contrast and I love it LOL
banger video as always, the addition of pokemon content is really great
Now that I think of it, ghost type is actually the best type in the game if it was possible to find in isolation. Dark doesn't exist, so its' only weak to itself. And the only ghost type move is lick, which is so bad that it makes pin missile look like a blessing. A pure ghost type would hands down be the best, most busted defensive type in gen 1. If it did get moves, it would be pretty great too. Not hitting psychic (psychic is IMMUNE to ghost in gen 1) sucks, but otherwise hits everything neutrally. Only issue is its' a physical type, and the only ghosts are special oriented.
The best gen 1 pokemon you could engineer would be a physically offensive ghost type with useable special and a signature attacking ghost move. That would be untouchable beyond brute force, and it's immune to normal, one of the best types for dealing brute force damage. Makes me wonder what the game would look like if mewtwo was ghost or ghost psychic, that would make it even more broken.
I'm still legitimately stymied as to why Fighting is so _bad_ in this gen.
Like, it has no excuse being this bad.
Ghost would be an absolutely horrific attacking type, in this game it doesn’t hit Normal or Psychic types. So like…the top 8 most viable Pokémon in the game.
Love this content. Keep it up. Gen 1 Singles is sick AF
lol Popo drip
Great video! The only things I would really change are small things like flying above fire tbh although I do think normal is more meta defining than psychic and deserves an s+ tbh, this is mainly due to the big 3 but also because of proof of its danger with rock and ghost being propelled up in the tiers due to how centralising normal is. Realistically ghost would be a rubbish type without normal being so powerful and rock whilst it would still be good, would probably not be as powerful. Normal versatility is what puts the final nail in the coffin for me though with plenty of different sets snorlax and chansey can actually run that completely changes which matchups they beat.
That's a very good point, Normal kinda has a bit more impact in a way just cause of how the meta formed around it
Themperor. The word you are looking for is Themperor.
Your content is incredible
This guy is really cute. I like his enthusiasm and his voice.
I have zero knowledge about pokemon but these videos are so entertaining that I watch them all
I have been playing monotype tier since gen 6 and just looking at how high you placed both ice and rock I can definitely say that later gens nerfed the hell out of them since rock is now mid low tier and ice is now bottom 3
Really liked the music in this one
Honestly with how prominent Rhydon and Golem are I'm a bit surprised Water isn't a bit more prominent
Starmie, Cloyster and Slowbro not enough?
I find it hilarious how close this list is to just being an inverted version of later gens. With the exceptions of ground, ghost, poison, bug and maybe normal (not sure on this, normal is hard to place) everything ends up within about one tier of where they should be if you do this.
I’ve always thought water should be weak to ice bc it literally freezes water
That's freeze-dry.
@@Nikkidafox yeah Ik but just in general. Like putting the move aside lol.
I’ve pretty much exclusively played Gen 4 and later just because those are the ones I played in game, but I’ve started playing Gen 1 because of your videos and I’m having so much fun with it
Generation 6 is the first gen where electrics could no longer be paralyzed by Thunder Wave.
Wouldn't a Dragon/Normal version of Dragonite be way scarier than Flying/Normal?
Dragon type means it gets all the good resistances with the lessened Ice weakness and Normal STAB Hyper beam nuking everything anyway. Normal/Flying gets same coverage and scary STAB Normal moves but I feel it gets far less from Flying than it would Dragon while still having only a slightly better 2x Ice weakness anyway.
You might be right actually in the context of Gen 1 that'd be terrifying
Imagine hyper beams coming from that thing
Hey there, BY just wanted to say how much I've been enjoying your videos. I love your perspective, personality and just general flow of all the stuff you put out. Your FG Garbage, Gold and Glance videos have actually been what I've been sleeping to lately. Can't wait to see what you do with the channel in the future! Would love to see more Melee and Smash content in general!
And hey idk if you ever just jump in to random matches on Slippi these days but it would be dope if I ran into you sometime!
Girafarig would’ve been interesting in gen 1 possibly. Just take both the most broken types. Thing would probably be like UUBL though
Ye, assuming it's stats remain mostly the same (besides Special Attack and Defense being blended into a base 95 Special stat or something), it's stats are a bit too mediocre even by gen 1 standards