@@yourmomlovespenis Haha, I'm not personally a huge fan of the band. I believe that specific trick originates from the 60s, with figures like Eddie Kramer, George Martin, and Phil Spector using it heavily, so it definitely predates them by quite a bit. However, as with most things, people tend to associate a sound with whoever they first heard it from, so I'd assume for the OP, that would be Van Halen.
PLEASSEEEE do more of these J-Punk videos. You put me onto so many good bands with these, and it's really cool to hear the differences between these styles and the American punk I grew up with.
Great video! Japanese rock music is just so wicked. The tones for guitar and bass are always so good. Super cool to see Mass of the Fermenting Drags get mentioned in this video!
They’re a great band, but I’d like to stress that this isn’t just an exercise in listing bands and musicians. I’m much more interested in the production, recording, and arrangement behind the music, rather than simply listing band names for the sake of ‘punk’ credibility. While I’d love to discuss every influential punk band that has come out of Japan, it’s neither feasible in a 3-4 minute video nor really the point.
Japan just seems to be the bass capital of the world. I love all the Japanese UA-cam bass girls who play crazy slap covers of stuff. Genuinely find it inspiring. They're so small but rock hard: if they can do it with their hands then I have an advantage with my big man hands, and I can learn it too! (long time guitarist, new to learning bass).
One of the first bands I heard was Yum yum orange (Orange juice album) and man, that album has alot of colorful and fun basslines. Also on the other hand, Maximum the hormone is an amazing band with those catchy punk parts. Cheers!
Good video, and it’s great how you mentioned Mass of the Fermenting Dregs. They’re a great band and are some professionals. I saw them live, and partway through their set, they lost all vocals going to their in-ear monitors for around 5 songs, so they were pretty much singing for around 20 minutes without being able to hear themselves (to make corrections). Outside of a couple notes sung slightly flat, they sang perfectly. If they didn’t tell us about the technical difficulties I probably wouldn’t have noticed they were having monitor issues. And again, great video. My playing style definitely changed a bit after hearing the bass in some great Japanese bands over the past decade or so (Band-Maid and Suspended 4th to name a few).
Oww man, I was hoping you would talk about Eastern Youth since you've started the video with a footage of them! I honestly think the baselines on many of their songs are among the most creative ones I've ever heard in any punk band, or even a rock band in general. I know that sounds like a big statement to make but, in case you don't know them, check out tracks like "Izukohe", "Sajinnokanatae" or "Slow Motion" and pay attention to that bass! 😔👌
I think I used them as an example in a previous video on punk bass - or possibly one I've made, but haven't yet released, haha. But yeah, I totally agree with you. They have some super unique parts, and Yuka is an incredible player.
Get a bass with a P/J pickup loadout for the most tones. I would also mention that a Rickenbacker 4001 and a Thunderbird Bass are some awesome bass guitars in Punk too!
@SugarpillProd For the Rickenbacker I was thinking of Bruce Foxton from The Jam and Stiff Little Fingers. For the Thunderbird I was thinking of Tim Wheeler from Ash. But yeah, cool basses. If you mix both (Rickenbacker bass with Thunderbird pickups) you get Lemmy and Motorhead!🤪👍✨ The reason you hear P Basses and J Basses has more to do with they were easier to record in studios because they are the "Standard Bass Sound" back in the day. Producers can just easily punch them in and whether it's a Fender or a copy, they all relatively function and sound the same. With other basses you have to spend more time dialing them in and more time fitting them into the final mix. Plus most basses are more expensive that a P Bass or a J Bass, so there is that.🤔
Me gusta este canal porque los guiones se parecen mucho a las conversaciones que tengo con mis amigos cuando hablamos de bandas, tono, equipos, estilos, etc.
I know it's not the same thing but this is why I love the bass tone in the Flash game Punk-o-Matic 2 (which I make music in). It has such a twangy sound, with the treble cutting through and prominent. I forget which cheap bass was used to record the bass riffs but it was through a Line Pod 6. It doesn't hide itself and even makes heavy tracks sound so interesting and unique. And I like when the bass doesn't just follow the guitar rhythm exactly. That's so interesting about the mix though. I'm going to try to use that technique. I love these videos.
YOOOOOOO, didn't expect to see Eastern Yotuh on the very first seconds of this video, also I think more of EY as Emo than Punk, maybe that's just me tho, great video
I guess it would depend on the era. They definitely started out more like a straightforward punk band, then adopted more of a darker emo sound in their later career, similar to bands like Jawbreaker. Though that said, emo is a subgenre of punk, so it all comes from the same place, haha. Thanks for watching!
@SugarpillProd Yeah, this kind of bass sound also reminds me to Creamstock's and DRUM:kan's, I really love the growl japanese bands put into their basses, the bass in Creamstock's "Stands Here" really has a ring to it, it's really good
Hey whats the bass you put on the thumbnail? I swear I saw it in a common practice room, P-bass body (same colour as the one on the thumbnail) with a jazz bass neck and black headstock... the headstock says Fender Japan special jazz bass (something along these lines). I'd love to know the exact model, I thought it was a custom build
Very long time ago when I just found out about basses, I thought j-bass actually means "japanese bass" because of how ow often japanese bands are using them.
I know this is not related buut 1 of the 3 things that got me into punk/music was anime openings featuring these sounds. Maximum the Hormone partially inspired me to learn Japanese for 5 years!! Its so cool to see them in this context. My favorite is the side project album Zazen Boys 2 by the Number Girl guy. Ironically enough when I was in Japan and they asked me about music and I showed them mass fermenting of dregs they looked at me weird haha.
Thanks! I think I’ve covered them in a previous video. That said, I’d like to point out that the majority of the time, I’m not making these videos just to list every great band from “x” country. Given my usual video length, that would be very hard to do anyway, haha.
"single coil equipped guitars" Proceed to picture 5 guitars with bridge Humbuckers. Whoops! Otherwise cool video! I'd also say that Japanese punk has less of a musically technical ceiling that what western punk for the most part has. Outlining a 7th chord in a western punk song? psht. not punk anymore. Too many notes. Obviously not every case but as a whole.
Haha, yeah I noticed after I finished exporting, but couldn't be bothered to change it. I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. I suppose Japanese punk bands could, on the whole, be seen as more technical than Western bands. However, there are entire subgenres dedicated to that punk style, such as Propagandhi, Strung Out, A Wilhelm Scream, and others. Or even bands like Fugazi & Jawbreaker that were a big influence on Japanese bands like Eastern Youth to begin with.
American punk probably will not accept this kind of Bass lines. Maybe English punk can, but not american. I mean, Green day add dynamic bass lines and some people says "its not real punk".
Haha, I mean, plenty of bands from the US have more complex bass lines too; it just depends on who you're listening to. But yes, having covered punk and punk-adjacent topics for as long as I have, I can tell you there’s not a single band people unanimously agree on as being 'punk,' so you’re definitely correct in that assessment lol.
It does happen to have different kindsa basslines in post punk, ska punk, skate punk and post hardcore but those often are also dubbed not real punk and often use elements from other genres so yeah it sucks. Lot of the japanese unique bass sounds also seem to come from their unique takes on post-hc/noise rock but they just kinda embrace it it seems.
It's cute that people think Japanese Punk bands started this. Most of these techniques have been around in one way or another since the inception of the UK and US punk scenes nearly 50 years ago. Shame that doesn't fit the cute little Weeb narrative you've got going.
Nobody is suggesting that Japanese punk bands started this all on their own, though you seem entirely oblivious to the fact that the earliest forms of J-Punk began in the late '70s, so I suppose that’s your adorable ‘50 years ago’ narrative out the window. The video is simply highlighting the sonic differences that some forms of Eastern punk have compared to their Western counterparts. But it’s cute how even the smallest of things can bring out the xenophobia in some.
Hahaha, oh wait! You're the same person who tried to argue earlier that this is all irrelevant because they do this in 2000s indie, completely missing the fact that everything here predates that entire scene. I wonder what's with the narrative shift? 🤔 Looks like you deleted your comment when you got called out for your clear lack of basic history on the subject anyway. Nice one mate, really racking up the L's now, aren't you? 😂
Thats like going "its cute to think metalheads started this, blues and folk music from the-" Styles and movements develop from other styles. Plenty of things aren't conventional in the genre they were pioneered. Number girl loved the pixies and husker du. But their influence on Japanese music alongside other bands gave Japan some unique conventions. Its even heard in what people often call "J-Rock" as a genre. And I'm sorry but Japan has had lots of unique sounds. I don't think I've heard a band like Melt Banana, Bleach 03, Midori, or Idol Punch from the US/UK.
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Guitar on one side of the stereo field and its reverb on the other is the classic Van Halen trick.
Yup, it's been a good trick forever. Especially when you're working with a guitarist who is, let's say, a little inconsistent of a player 😂
Yeah, clearly Van Halen invented it🤮
@@yourmomlovespenis Haha, I'm not personally a huge fan of the band. I believe that specific trick originates from the 60s, with figures like Eddie Kramer, George Martin, and Phil Spector using it heavily, so it definitely predates them by quite a bit. However, as with most things, people tend to associate a sound with whoever they first heard it from, so I'd assume for the OP, that would be Van Halen.
Good example of this is Teenagers by mcr! Check it out
PLEASSEEEE do more of these J-Punk videos. You put me onto so many good bands with these, and it's really cool to hear the differences between these styles and the American punk I grew up with.
That's awesome to hear! I'm sure I'll be making a few more in the future. Thanks for watching!
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1:15 That's a Bacchus bass. I have one from the handmade line. They're awesome, beautiful, amazing feeling basses. Lightweight too.
Great video! Japanese rock music is just so wicked. The tones for guitar and bass are always so good. Super cool to see Mass of the Fermenting Drags get mentioned in this video!
Have to shout out Guitar Wolf, they came from Japan and rocked Nashville's world this summer!!
Guitar wolf is on the local garage rock label in my city(goner records). They’re great.
Amazed that you can talk about Japanese punk bass without a mention of Takeshi Ueda! His bass lines for Mad Capsule Markets and AA= are incredible.
They’re a great band, but I’d like to stress that this isn’t just an exercise in listing bands and musicians. I’m much more interested in the production, recording, and arrangement behind the music, rather than simply listing band names for the sake of ‘punk’ credibility. While I’d love to discuss every influential punk band that has come out of Japan, it’s neither feasible in a 3-4 minute video nor really the point.
Japan just seems to be the bass capital of the world. I love all the Japanese UA-cam bass girls who play crazy slap covers of stuff. Genuinely find it inspiring. They're so small but rock hard: if they can do it with their hands then I have an advantage with my big man hands, and I can learn it too! (long time guitarist, new to learning bass).
Not just punk, most of japanese bassist have a distinct bass tone. Even their J-Pop musics have unique bass line.
100%.
I dont think this is something unique to japanese music.
@Bill_Byena it's ok, we can have our own opinion 👍
@@wt4555 ehhh... Not really an opinion, but rather actually factual information.
One of the first bands I heard was Yum yum orange (Orange juice album) and man, that album has alot of colorful and fun basslines. Also on the other hand, Maximum the hormone is an amazing band with those catchy punk parts. Cheers!
nice! they definitely know how to get the most out of a bass in japan
For sure!
eastern youth! gism! blue hearts mentioned!
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AND MOTFD!!
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Good video, and it’s great how you mentioned Mass of the Fermenting Dregs. They’re a great band and are some professionals. I saw them live, and partway through their set, they lost all vocals going to their in-ear monitors for around 5 songs, so they were pretty much singing for around 20 minutes without being able to hear themselves (to make corrections). Outside of a couple notes sung slightly flat, they sang perfectly. If they didn’t tell us about the technical difficulties I probably wouldn’t have noticed they were having monitor issues. And again, great video. My playing style definitely changed a bit after hearing the bass in some great Japanese bands over the past decade or so (Band-Maid and Suspended 4th to name a few).
Was this their show in Hollywood recently? The same technical difficulties happened but it didn’t slow them down! What professionals
@ Yeah, that was the show. Definitely professionals to be able to keep playing like that
Great video!👏 It makes J-punk all the more interesting. That Melt Banana example is a perfect showcase of the typical StingRay sound.
I’ve been eyeing this bass for a couple years lol
The bass riff you're playing at the end kicks ass!
Thank you, I appreciate it!
Always liked japanese punk. The blue hearts are really good. Keep up the awesome work, been watching for years
Thanks, I appreciate you still watching after all those years!
Oww man, I was hoping you would talk about Eastern Youth since you've started the video with a footage of them! I honestly think the baselines on many of their songs are among the most creative ones I've ever heard in any punk band, or even a rock band in general. I know that sounds like a big statement to make but, in case you don't know them, check out tracks like "Izukohe", "Sajinnokanatae" or "Slow Motion" and pay attention to that bass! 😔👌
I think I used them as an example in a previous video on punk bass - or possibly one I've made, but haven't yet released, haha. But yeah, I totally agree with you. They have some super unique parts, and Yuka is an incredible player.
Get a bass with a P/J pickup loadout for the most tones. I would also mention that a Rickenbacker 4001 and a Thunderbird Bass are some awesome bass guitars in Punk too!
100%. I think Hirochan from Otoboke Beaver uses a Thunderbird, and it always sounds awesome in their chaotic mixes!
@SugarpillProd
For the Rickenbacker I was thinking of Bruce Foxton from The Jam and Stiff Little Fingers. For the Thunderbird I was thinking of Tim Wheeler from Ash. But yeah, cool basses. If you mix both (Rickenbacker bass with Thunderbird pickups) you get Lemmy and Motorhead!🤪👍✨
The reason you hear P Basses and J Basses has more to do with they were easier to record in studios because they are the "Standard Bass Sound" back in the day. Producers can just easily punch them in and whether it's a Fender or a copy, they all relatively function and sound the same. With other basses you have to spend more time dialing them in and more time fitting them into the final mix. Plus most basses are more expensive that a P Bass or a J Bass, so there is that.🤔
rickenbacker heavy af
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gusta este canal porque los guiones se parecen mucho a las conversaciones que tengo con mis amigos cuando hablamos de bandas, tono, equipos, estilos, etc.
That's awesome to hear. Thanks for sharing ❤
I know it's not the same thing but this is why I love the bass tone in the Flash game Punk-o-Matic 2 (which I make music in). It has such a twangy sound, with the treble cutting through and prominent. I forget which cheap bass was used to record the bass riffs but it was through a Line Pod 6. It doesn't hide itself and even makes heavy tracks sound so interesting and unique. And I like when the bass doesn't just follow the guitar rhythm exactly. That's so interesting about the mix though. I'm going to try to use that technique. I love these videos.
Haha yeah I've actually heard a few people saying they still use the super old Line 6 Pod tones to this day. That and the echo farm effect from it.
Just discovering your channel... Love J-punk bands, especially Husking Bee. What you describe is accurate 👍!
Awesome! Thank you!
Hi-Standard!
YOOOOOOO, didn't expect to see Eastern Yotuh on the very first seconds of this video, also I think more of EY as Emo than Punk, maybe that's just me tho, great video
I guess it would depend on the era. They definitely started out more like a straightforward punk band, then adopted more of a darker emo sound in their later career, similar to bands like Jawbreaker. Though that said, emo is a subgenre of punk, so it all comes from the same place, haha. Thanks for watching!
@SugarpillProd Yeah, this kind of bass sound also reminds me to Creamstock's and DRUM:kan's, I really love the growl japanese bands put into their basses, the bass in Creamstock's "Stands Here" really has a ring to it, it's really good
The first song by Eastern Youth is insanely good!
Totally. They're such a good band!
perfect as always
Haha thank you! Much appreciated 🙌
Great video man
Appreciate it!
Bautiful video!
Thank you very much!
Great..
Great video!
Thank you, much appreciated!
If anyone sees this check out Five State Drive, incredible new age Japanese Ska Punk band
motfd mentioned
Buen vídeo
Thanks for watching!
This is the most punk rock channel on all of UA-cam!!🤯
Haha thank you! I'm sure there's plenty more than me, but I appreciate the kind words 🙌
Anybody know the background sound @ 2:13 ? Thanks
It's just an old demo of mine. I think I played the full version in this video - ua-cam.com/video/upIktXPA6ko/v-deo.htmlsi=EYOJHRksFty3ea-X
@@SugarpillProd thanks. Its really cool
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Hey whats the bass you put on the thumbnail? I swear I saw it in a common practice room, P-bass body (same colour as the one on the thumbnail) with a jazz bass neck and black headstock... the headstock says Fender Japan special jazz bass (something along these lines). I'd love to know the exact model, I thought it was a custom build
which is the song at 00:30 ?
Just a thing I wrote as a 'score' for the videos. It's basically just me noodling around in DADF#AD tuning, haha.
@@SugarpillProd it reminded me a lot to the beginning of Abril - Cala Vento
Why are japanes noise punk bands and band Yellow machines gun absent in video?
Probably because they're not really to do with the style I was talking about?
@SugarpillProd you should cover the japanes noise punk topic.
@@uxartmusicvideo-andphotogr2043 Might do in the future 👍
How did you get that tone 😭
Very long time ago when I just found out about basses, I thought j-bass actually means "japanese bass" because of how ow often japanese bands are using them.
What was the Eastern young song?
*Eastern Youth. I believe the song is called Too Blue Sky.
OMG，青い、濃い、橙色の日？！
One of my favourites ❤
Where is the video?
I would assume you were watching it? 😂
maybe they just thought the J in J Bass stood for Japan
That and the fact Fender makes a Japanese range of guitars too, haha.
Mass of fermenting dregs just did a live in my country last month
That's awesome 🙌
This video was far too short!
Haha I do like to keep them short 😅
I know this is not related buut 1 of the 3 things that got me into punk/music was anime openings featuring these sounds. Maximum the Hormone partially inspired me to learn Japanese for 5 years!! Its so cool to see them in this context. My favorite is the side project album Zazen Boys 2 by the Number Girl guy. Ironically enough when I was in Japan and they asked me about music and I showed them mass fermenting of dregs they looked at me weird haha.
I love your videos, but I was sad to see no mention of Polysics.
Thanks! I think I’ve covered them in a previous video. That said, I’d like to point out that the majority of the time, I’m not making these videos just to list every great band from “x” country. Given my usual video length, that would be very hard to do anyway, haha.
"single coil equipped guitars" Proceed to picture 5 guitars with bridge Humbuckers.
Whoops!
Otherwise cool video!
I'd also say that Japanese punk has less of a musically technical ceiling that what western punk for the most part has.
Outlining a 7th chord in a western punk song? psht. not punk anymore. Too many notes. Obviously not every case but as a whole.
Haha, yeah I noticed after I finished exporting, but couldn't be bothered to change it. I wouldn't necessarily agree with that. I suppose Japanese punk bands could, on the whole, be seen as more technical than Western bands. However, there are entire subgenres dedicated to that punk style, such as Propagandhi, Strung Out, A Wilhelm Scream, and others. Or even bands like Fugazi & Jawbreaker that were a big influence on Japanese bands like Eastern Youth to begin with.
@@SugarpillProd That's a fair point!
American punk probably will not accept this kind of Bass lines.
Maybe English punk can, but not american. I mean, Green day add dynamic bass lines and some people says "its not real punk".
Haha, I mean, plenty of bands from the US have more complex bass lines too; it just depends on who you're listening to. But yes, having covered punk and punk-adjacent topics for as long as I have, I can tell you there’s not a single band people unanimously agree on as being 'punk,' so you’re definitely correct in that assessment lol.
Thats because Green Day is not punk. 😌 But that has nothin to do with their bass lines.
And I am talkin from a european perspective. ✌🏻
@@marquisdecarabas1312 I wonder who gave you the authority to police punk? 🤔
@@SugarpillProd The Ministry for Degenerate Music and Youth Culture, of course. 🤷🏻♂️
It does happen to have different kindsa basslines in post punk, ska punk, skate punk and post hardcore but those often are also dubbed not real punk and often use elements from other genres so yeah it sucks.
Lot of the japanese unique bass sounds also seem to come from their unique takes on post-hc/noise rock but they just kinda embrace it it seems.
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It's cute that people think Japanese Punk bands started this. Most of these techniques have been around in one way or another since the inception of the UK and US punk scenes nearly 50 years ago. Shame that doesn't fit the cute little Weeb narrative you've got going.
Nobody is suggesting that Japanese punk bands started this all on their own, though you seem entirely oblivious to the fact that the earliest forms of J-Punk began in the late '70s, so I suppose that’s your adorable ‘50 years ago’ narrative out the window.
The video is simply highlighting the sonic differences that some forms of Eastern punk have compared to their Western counterparts. But it’s cute how even the smallest of things can bring out the xenophobia in some.
Hahaha, oh wait! You're the same person who tried to argue earlier that this is all irrelevant because they do this in 2000s indie, completely missing the fact that everything here predates that entire scene. I wonder what's with the narrative shift? 🤔
Looks like you deleted your comment when you got called out for your clear lack of basic history on the subject anyway. Nice one mate, really racking up the L's now, aren't you? 😂
Thats like going "its cute to think metalheads started this, blues and folk music from the-"
Styles and movements develop from other styles. Plenty of things aren't conventional in the genre they were pioneered.
Number girl loved the pixies and husker du. But their influence on Japanese music alongside other bands gave Japan some unique conventions. Its even heard in what people often call "J-Rock" as a genre.
And I'm sorry but Japan has had lots of unique sounds. I don't think I've heard a band like Melt Banana, Bleach 03, Midori, or Idol Punch from the US/UK.
Western punk bands don't use the J Bass or Stingray? LOL
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