Beware of Ford’s 1.5L 1.6L 2.0L Ecoboost Engines and Their Never Ending Coolant Consumption Issues!
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- Опубліковано 14 чер 2024
- In this video we pressure test the cooling system of a 2014 Ford Escape 1.6L Ecoboost Engine only to find sure enough there is coolant intrusion into cylinder number 2. This is very common concern across the board on all Ford four cylinder ecoboost engines. The only real fix is a long block replacement with the updated design.
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Add my 2017 2.7 Ford Fusion sport to that. It’s toast at 127k miles. Ford wants me to pay 3k for the tear down just so they can tell me what percentage of the 10k for the new engine they’ll “assist” with. And I still owe 10k on it. Haven’t driven it in a year and still got another year of paying on that damn thing.
Can you make a video on how or why Ford Explorers with V6 3.6 engine has a "LOW ENGINE OIL PRESSURE" when the engine is full with synthetic oil. My Explorer is a 2014 with 145, 000 miles. Already with a water pump failure at 110, 000 miles. I MADE FORD pay the $5500 bill. A factory design failure.
If you wanna tear my engine down for content and to prove to ford it’s their fault I’m ok with that. The misfire started at 65k and nobody could figure it out till it would hardly drive. I took it out of state cuz I was tired of throwing money at it and nobody being able to find the problem. The last people found the coolant intrusion. Safe bet to say it’s ALL ecoboosts.
I would put in a used long block and sell it.
Where does the block crack?
I’ve always been a Ford guy but it really pisses me off that Ford is getting away with this. They should cover this, it’s not like it is operator error, it’s a design flaw!
I'm a lifelong Ford guy myself; unfortunately, I purchased a 2012 Focus with the dual clutch transmission, and now I'm an avid NOT FORD guy. Which makes me sad, but my loyalty isn't worth that amount of cash.
It's the plants doing manufacturing. Look up Kobe Steel scandal from a few years ago. They were selling steel with fudged data specs as higher grade than what was testing as. Ford among other manufacturers admitted to purchasing steel from them during this generation of vehicles time line. Of 100 companies only a handful came forward with info on what the steel went towards making. Certain Toyota/subi vehicles had valve spring recall due to it. Ford had seat brackets possibly from the same stuff. Check it out
Actually, I stay away from ALL Fords.
Fill Or Repair Daily
I bled blue. Until the 5.4 came out. Now (most) of the bugs got worked out of that engine and Ford came out with something worse ...
Brian, the content and service you're providing to owners and consumers here is tremendous. It's sad that honesty and transparency are rare in this industry, but you're upholding high standards. Thanks for what you do.
Honest abe speaks the truth
so true. ! been a tech for 36 years. the thing auto manufacs get away with is ridicules! the peddle garbage! my advice to anyone is STAY AWAY FROM ANY TURBO ENGINES!!!!
I think what may be causing the problem is being run low on coolant and it going in into deactivation mode being Aluminum block they have a tendency to shift which would cause fatigue in cylinders Especially With a Siamese bore engine Adjust my 2 cents.
@@peterpeter5666 Turbo engines are not the problem the owner doesn't know how to properly drive them or maintain them. I have been a Tech 30yrs. Seen it and repaired it
FIX OR REPAIR DAILY = FORD
I'm a Ford Europe Master Technician and the Ecoboost is a huge headache, When it debuted it was showcased by Ford in 1.0 litre form in a fiesta at the technical training college in Daventry, England where myself and my senior technician amongst many other technicians from across Britain were invited down for an unveiling and to show us the general technical aspects of the engine so we could then go back and inform the rest of the workshop team. When they started it up after talking us through it me and my senior took one look at each other and said this thing will never work! Bloody EcoBOOM!!
My wife was considering buying one of these that had 45,000 miles on it for $21,000. After watching your video I just called her up and told her to forget it. Thanks!
Jim hackett set ford up for a disaster, in so many ways
Roll of the dice...I have 178k on my 2015 2.0L Ecoboost & not the first problem. My neighbor bought 2017 & didn't make it 60k until it blew up...why, why, why!
I only had 33 k miles on my 2017 Ford Escape 1.5l Ecoboost when the coolant intrusion started. I was 2 weeks beyond the 5 year powertrain warranty. It cost me $6300 out of pocket. How is this not a safety issue? Ford needs to do the right thing and recall these engines. This is a design flaw. Consumers should not be on the hook.
@@tellucas Do you have experience with doing this? Who do I contact? Thanks!
I called corporate. They pretty much blew me off. FIGHT BACK WITH YOUR WALLET! NEVER BUY A FORD AND LET EVERYONE KNOW SO THEY ARE SCARRD STRAIGHT AND AVOID FORD AT ALL COST! I turned away 3 people from a ford purchase so far. FU ford!
@@tellucas lol. I'm far beyond pisst. Loved my edge. It was my second one. And as soon as I made my last payment, it started drinking coolant. ZERO help from Ford.
2018 escape 1.5L , same problems . Outside of warranty . The dealership is putting a new engine in for free, so Ford is finally doing something about it . A little late though .
@@geoffgoemans6352 how many miles? Ford corporate told me to pound sand. Mines is a 2015 edge with 155k.
My sister in law 2013 escape 2.0 150k miles leaks coolant but not as bad as the escape in the video. Unfortunately Ford vehicles are a hit or miss, we are very lucky to have you Brian teaching us about their sometimes poorly made vehicles. Long life Brian!!!
I was taking this issue personal when I had the disappearing coolant problem. Stop leak additives were just a temporary fix. At 145K miles, the cost of repair is more than the blue book value! Note to self: do extensive research on ANY car you’re thinking about buying - finding out something like this will save you a migraine down the road!!
I am looking into using a stop leak. Where did you use it? in the resiv ? I was hoping this will work but who knows.
@@danielengel1295 I’ve tried stop leak twice, and I still have to fill the reservoir every other week
Nissan Sentra transmissions go out before 100,000 miles yet no recall
Usually Sneaky Automakers
I own a 2017 Ford Escape Titanium Turbo and at 70,000 miles my engine light went on and after I took it to the shop to have it diagnosed it turned out to be a $8,000 repair. It turns out that the 2017 have these issues of having the head seal leak into the engine and since the block is made of aluminum it would require a complete engine replacement. Don't bother about getting it from another distributer, it has to bought by Forde at $5,000 and the rest is labor. I had originally purchased new in 2017 and it was under warranty until the 60,000 miles. It is known that this is an issue and that there is no recall on it. My wife and I are on the fence on whether to replace the engine or not, what do you think. It still looks new from the outside and the inside
Your channel was great when I had this exact year AWD Escape. Helped me realize I needed to pass it like a hot potato before things went sideways!!! So glad I did.
I love your honesty and willingness to call out the problems, unlike the other ford tech channels that continue to deceive people, and say it's not a major issue. I'm a ford tech as well, and I find myself calling out Ford's newer vehicles for quality issues more and more as I work on newer rigs. Even new Toyota vehicles are having issues, Korean makes, hell, all of em.
Don't buy anything new if you want value for your $. I always tell customers, sink a small portion of that extraction $ you would spend on new, buy a clean older vehicle, and fix it up. Not only are they cheaper, but better engineering, better part quality, material quality, less labor, less parts cost, and you can make it truly yours with rims, tint, stereo, lights, whatever. You'll still be out the door for a small fraction of a new pile. You'll spend less on insurance and registration. You'll pay less tax.
All brands, all models, are just planned obsolescence. That is absolutely the truth. I drive an old 03' 7.3 super duty, and a 08' Scion TC that are both fixed up pretty nice, the way I want them, for pennies on the dollar. I'd never trade either in for any of today unreliable turds. 300k problem free miles from the superduty, key on, hook some weight to it, go strait to New York right now with zero worries. Same with the TC, there's close a thousand pounds of audio equipment in it, been like that for some time, and I'd trust it over anything new to go anywhere. The wife's 09' G8 stays in the driveway at 70k, with a cover on it, because I know the afm is trash, and will likely have problems soon. We will sell that to an enthusiast for top dollar, and get something older, more reliable and be able to replace it if it gets hit or totaled.
Don't trust any of these newer vehicles without extensive research and knowledge, because chances are, it'll cost you big.
This is by far my favorite ford channel, you keep it real, a true American and patriot helping others avoid major headaches. You're awesome dude! From one ford tech to another, I'd EASILY day you're the best in the biz! Thanks all you do for everyone!
*Your right on! They don't make anything to last and not just cars anymore.*
I wish the sheep wouldn't accept it.
What happens when you wreck the older cars? The insurance won’t give you jack for them and you’re out a good bit of money keeping up the older ones unfortunately. I agree with a lot of what you’re saying but I’m not spending thousands to fix an old car just to get it totalled out and insurance writes you a check for a fraction of true value being book value
Spot on... One of my rides is an 05 Mountaineer with the notorious 4.0 SOHC. At about 230k, I got the timing rattle at ~2300 RPM. I did a timing job using Brian's videos to fix the rattle and it runs like a champ. The engine design is stupid with chains in the front and rear so it is an engine out job but it was a pretty easy engine pull and there was plenty of room in the engine bay. Other than that and some work on the 5R55S trans at ~150k on the valve body/solenoids, it has been a tank and it has been driven from coast to coast many times. It has been paid off for a long time and is relatively easy to work so I hope to get it into the next decade... too many computers/unnecessary electronics/turbos on newer vehicles... NA all the way!
@@robc7323 @@robc7323 maintenance is key, clean air filter first, oil and other fluids second, and third, responsible driving habits. That's usually is the key for success, or buy an over priced headache, and who know what you'll deal with later down the road. As long as your happy, and getting value for your money, cause that's what counts!
George, I agree completely. I don't think any new cars or trucks are worth what they are asking. I actually bought a nice old 95 Taurus, under 100K, for $100. Little money for head gaskets and it is my daily driver. I wouldn't hesitate to hop in and travel anywhere with it. And today's engineers... they don't have a clue, as to the problems we have working on their over-engineered garbage... any make!
Thank you for always posting amazingly helpful videos. You’re an absolute legend bro , much respect ✊🏽🙏🏼
Thank you so much. I contacted the NHTSA and made a formal complaint. They stated they only had 11 complaints about this issue but upon reading just about engines I found tons of complaints regarding this issue. I asked them why did they have the coolant issue in the 184 complaints (clearly a way of them not having enough to issue a recall) and they should look into the 184 complaints and move them to the right category. Interesting but I don't believe they have specific guidelines to issue a recall. May a leg, arm or body? So after I issued a formal complaint I pulled it up today and sure enough they even put me in the 187 complaints. It is super important that anyone that is having this issue to and report it on there site. Sounds like it takes alot of us before they are forced to do something. I have learned about about these Ecoboost engines from people like you but never from FORD. They issue service bulletins to the ford dealers but never clue us in. We just spent 1500. on spark plugs and coils to now find we need a new engine. We are talking weeks. Unfortunately the mechanic didn't know about this issue. Not sure if that is common or not. 8000 for a new engine and honestly they don't even have that! SHAMEFUL that Ford keeps on trucking and leaving all of us on the side of the road!
This is part of the reason when I was looking for a first car for my daughter a few years ago I steered clear of the Ecoboost cars.. Got her a Fusion with the 3.0 L Duratec V6. Runs like a champ and gets good power.
I do so many Long blocks and Short blocks. Everytime I finish one, 3 more show up in the service drive. It blows my mind how Ford can get away with this. As a Ford Technician and a Ford fan it's sometimes upsetting.
Then you realise they are just pumping more business to you… Funny world eh.
I think I'm dealing with this now but on a 2017 explorer with a 2.3. Is there a long wait for a 2.3 long block??
Go work for Honda or Toyota. You will be proud working for them.
I was one of the fortunate ones that just happened to be reading online one day about 2017 Ford Edge issues when I read about all of the engine coolant and misfires issues that owners were having.. At that time my Edge had 48,053 miles on it, just under their 50K powertrain warranty. Concerned, I had my independant mechanic do the Ford prescribed 5 hour coolant test and sure enough, it failed their test. I had the mechanic document exactly what he did and went to my Ford dealer and showed him the results of the test. Fortuantely, they didn't have much choice but to agree with my mechanics test resuts so they covered the entire long block replacement cost, including a free loaner for almost three weeks because at that time, (during the pandemic) Ford was having a problem delivering long block engine parts. I will say that i did have a very understanding Ford dealer. Had I not seen those issues online that day I also would have been stuck with a very expensive repair bill. I, like others have always been a Ford person and also like others, I was pissed that they didn't issue a recall on that engine. Shame on them. Ford screwed a lot of people on that one. The only thing that I would have liked to find out was, what did they change on the new long block to correct that issue. Many people I learned had to pay nearly $8-9K to get their vehicles repaired. My Edge now has 73,000 miles on it but my new engine has about 24,000 on it. I feel really bad for all those Ford owners who were not as fortunate.
Thank you for placing your content on UA-cam, Brian. Very useful, and very professional. I do some repairs myself, but your video convinces me to let the dealer hand my coolant issue. Most likely covered by my extended warrant. 2015 Ford Escape 2.0 Titanium.
I'm with you on all that, Brian. I was a Ford tech for 19+ years and I was giving the ecoboost a chance. I traded my 2007 Fusion V6 AWD for a 2015 Fusion 2.0 AWD. I loved the 2015 Fusion it was great, my wife got a 2014 Escape 1.6 back in 2017. Around 2020, I performed the pressure test and immediately traded it in for a 2018 Escape 2.0 Titanium.
That being said, a month later, her old Escape was sold and came back with the engine blown. Coolant intrusion in cylinders 2, 3 and 4. And 3 months ago, my Fusion had coolant intrusion in cylinders 3 and 4.
Now, I have a 2020 F150 with 7800 miles with a 3rd Gen Coyote 5.0 and I'm praying her Escape will be ok. It might not be affected but who the hell knows. I also have a 2006 Mustang GT with the 3 Valve 4.6 and that's a hell of a motor...short lived but great results.
Ford should be ashamed of themselves. My wife works for a competing dealership, you can imagine our conversations at the dinner table LOL, and she said even Hyundai, Kia and Subaru have extended warranties on their engines.
Not Ford. Only on the stupid Fiesta and Focus transmissions with the dual clutch there's an extended warranty and TSB.
Your point is well taken...this whole Global trading thing has me really corn fused...out sourcing has fired up so many glitches in quality...WE ARE IN AGREEMENT BROTHER!!!
They have so many TSB. I adjudicate mechanical claims. TSB for over 4 year coolant instruction, cam phasers, and dual clutch transmission. My least favorite is cam phaser Cust sat campaign prorated on mileage only if you have reflash done by 12/31/22. Multiple of them for major components like engine and transmission. They should recall these. I purchased my last Ford they take little to no responsibility
A ford escape with a 1.6L engine there your problem
Who the clown at ford that decided that a 1.6 is ok in a SUV
@@rosalielane4533 almost all engine with cam phaser will have a failure these thing just don't last and this problem is not new old 3valve v8 5.4L and many manufacturers got this problem as well not just a ford thing
Even Honda cam phaser fail
I agree with you all. I still love Ford as a whole but how can you constantly assemble vehicles with the same problem over and over again?
It's pretty sad when I would speak with one of the engineers at Ford about the repair I'm performing and they can walk me through it and all but then when I questioned, "What's causing this so we can tell the customer?" And EVERYTIME, "We don't have an answer yet." And that was back in 2013.
And yea, let's put a ecoboost in all our vehicles. Almost just as bad as Dodge, Chrysler, Fiat or whatever the hell they are now, dropping a Hellcat in every vehicle they make! LOL
Bring back the cars of the late 90s to mid 00s!
Part of me wishes consumers knew how much money these vehicles will cost them after the warranty expires. The other part of me is happy that guys like you have pride in their work and have taken the time to develop the skills needed to diagnose and fix these issues.
Thanks for the hard work, now lets discuss how to shame Ford into making better products!
Being that our engineering divs is ran by a woman I doubt they will care.
Yeah there is a reason they only cover 60k, and that's because they know it will fail soon after! Where's the recall when you need it.
they can make better products all they want I definitely won't be buying it
Just bought a 2013 ford fusion Eco boost and same problem,now I am sending it back on Monday thanks man for the video
I had the same problem with my 2019 Ford Fusion. They replaced the short block. I just got the car back from the Ford dealer 2 days ago after almost 5 months in the shop because of part shortages. Luckily it only had 52,000 miles on it so it was still under warranty. They loaned me a 2022 Ford Edge to drive while it was being repaired.
WOW maybe Scotty Kilmer was right...small turbo engines just don't last :(
REV UP YOUR ENGINES!!!!
All these turbos know is just for fuel economy. Just that stop and go start crap.
In Scotty we trust.
This makes me grateful for the plain and simple 2.5 liter in my 2014 Fusion. It's nothing amazing, but nothing bad. Iit just works. I've put over 100K trouble free miles on my engine, changing oil every 5-6K miles.
The 2.5 it's a very good engine, simple, no turbos only a long block 16 valve 4 cyl 4 spark plugs.
@@servicioelectromecanicocue7025 thanks to Mazda for designing and building it. I have a 2011 Mazda CX-7 with that 2.5 and 155,000 kms so far.
It's gonna bite you when the electric steering rack fails. my friend's 2012 fusion 2.5 just did that and dealer quoted him $3000 for replacement.
@@NWCI Yeah, my electric power steering failed already several years ago. The local Ford dealer was willing to install a used rack, and I was out the door for $800. So far it has been the only thing that failed on the car.
@@NWCI the previous owner already replaced the hydraulic steering rack in the cx7 in 2020. It was verified that it’s full mechanical no electric.
Thank you Brian, my 2018 Ford Escape motor had this problem at 15,000 miles motor blown and replaced. My Car was recalled three times in three years. I had the car in for computer problems too. Thank you.
Thanks for posting this. I enjoy your videos and find them informative and educational.
I remember from your prior videos your no fan of that generation escape, many reasons. This is yet another one. I bleed blue, but Ford lost me when they abandoned their pushrod V8s and went to the modular engine. What ashame for owners with low mileage 4 cylinder EcoBoost engines less than 10yrs old to have this issue. Not good.
My 3.7 is still going strong. I've never purchased a turbo vehicle and I'm not planning on it. Thanks for the video.
Loved my 3.7 in my Mustang.
here in Europe we no longer can buy a Ford without turbo 😢 bloody downsizing. Still driving my good old 2006 Mondeo with 3.0 V6
@@roenick371 I think the 5 liter V8 Mustang is the only non-turbo left here in the states. The 3.5 turbo is what they're using as the large engine in the F-150. My 3.7 has become obsolete.
Like others here, my Dad owned Fords, and my last four vehicles, including my current ones, are Fords. I was ready to purchase a Bronco until I saw no option other than an EcoBoost engine.
I had 40,000 on my 17 Escape 1.5 and I got a notification saying 1 time replacement, got a new engine and cost me nothing. Very happy with Ford and my dealership
Thanks for the terrific information and explanation. Have this issue currently and very disheartened that Ford dropped the ball this badly. Been a great engine until now but once I get mine back, I’m trading in. Cheers!
I feel your frustration Brian. I have that same look on my face that you had at the end of the video almost daily. Newer cars just don't hold up like older models. I have to disagree about escapes being good cars though lol. I do fixed recon up in Rockford and every time we get one of those in its major repairs. Most often it needs a transmission when it's around 100k miles, or a camshaft because the high pressure fuel pump tappet has a hole in it, or engines because of coolant consumption. Love your content and appreciate your knowledge. Keep up the good work brother!
I'm in Rockford, maybe you should look at my wife's 2013 escape with 171K. I think it might be leaking.
Thats crazy! Another item to worry about now on my wife's 2014 escape with the 1.6L. Already put a new transmission in it just after 120k miles on the odometer. Thank you for the heads up, love getting the detailed informative videos you put out!
Google 1.6L Ford coolant intrusion and build dates, not all years had this issue
I had to do the same thing.
My daughter has a '14 Escape with 2.0 0ver 100,000 miles no problems. Son has '19 explorer with 2.0 30,000 miles so far no problems. I have '20 Edge 2.0 20,000 miles no problems. This is good info for us to have so we can keep our eyes on them. Thank You for all of your great inside and information.
Had my Eco Boost engine rebuilt instead of replacing it. Saved a lot of money. My Eco Boost engine is in my 2017 Escape. Hope I don't have a future problem with my rebuild. I'll keep a close watch on it.
Exactly why I traded in my 18 escape 1.5L. One engine, one steering rack, and a cracked flex plate later... all under 50k miles! Sad because we really enjoyed the car.
My father passed away and left our family a 2018 with the 1.6 with only 7500 miles, sold it as fast as we could.
1.6 is good in the fiesta st idk about the escape tho. There are people who have 300k and no issues
My wife’s 2018 Escape (approx 56,000 miles) is at the dealership getting the engine replaced. She was 4,000 miles and 42 days away from the power train warranty expiring. Cylinder 3 miss fires, drinking coolant, white smoke coming out of the tailpipe etc. It was another cracked engine block, this one on a 2.0 Eco-boost. If it was not for Covid and her working from home during parts of it, she would have been well past the 60,000 miles and we would have been out of warranty. Thank GOD it was still under warranty. We are so sorry for others that are not as lucky.
My 2018 with 81k miles just diagnosed with same issue. Thankful I bought the extended warranty first time in my life.
I’m glad I got the 2.5 engine in my Escape, 120k miles with no engine issues so far. I would love a fully loaded Escape with the 2.5 engine, too bad Ford decided to prioritize Ecoboost engines on those.
The 2.5 is the Mazda motor. I have the exact same one in my 2011 Mazda CX-7, 155,000 kms.
the 2.5 is just a bored mazda 2.0... those engines were great. better than any toyota
@@kevinW826 The 2.0L Ecoboost is also based on a Mazda engine (the Mazda L engine specifically), not sure about the 1.5 & 1.6
@@bradnoyes7955 I know the 2.0 and the 2.3 were originally Mazda motors. Ford screwed them up
@@andiarrohnds5163 really better than a toyota engine? explain
Thanks for keeping us informed on those type of issues with the EcoBoost engines. It’s just a shame that Ford is not doing something about it.
There are tsbs and recalls for the issue. I know I have done 6 in the last year under warranty.
Pretty much 100% catastrophic engine failure. After 100+ years Ford really can do better.
Well, I think I will keep my 2012 Focus and its naturally aspired, old fashioned 4 cylinder engine. And keep on running it on E85 as it was designed for.
Oh but Ford is doing something. They are making sure your car doesnt last after 70 thousand miles.😏
I was looking at a Maverick with the 2.0 EcoBoost to replace my old Honda Odyssey minivan with 176k miles... Now I'm second guessing LOL - I didn't know Ford started building engines in 2010.
2017 MKZ 2.0T, 55K miles owner here. I appreciate
your knowledge and all the info you share with
us. Car is still at dealership, been there since
July 5 waiting on gasket kit. I
figured since the engine is out I told the dealer
to put in brand new spark plugs.
Do you have any suggestion on what other
item (s) I should have replaced since the engine
is out? Thank you. Also do you recommend any break in period on
the new engine replacement? What is the best
driving practice for appropriate break in? Also
how long should we wait for the first oil change
on the new engine after break in? Thank you for all you for for the viewers!
man i just bought a 2014 escape 2 months ago no real issues as of yet but thanks for the inside info, i just recieved a recall letter for the door latches and discovered 3 others that still need fixing from build day. fortunatly i got this from a 1 owner and they took pretty good care of it other than the recalls
This pretty much happened to my son's 2011 Ford Edge. 78,000 miles on it. We are the second owner. Still owe a small loan on it. It stinks that this is happening to alot of people. Ford needs to make this right!! People don't have alot of money especially nowadays and to have a major issue like this. It's just wrong!
Blessed love Brian more power to you…
Thanks for sharing this with us Brian...always highly appreciated 🙏
Thanks for the effort to tell us about this problem, I was considering buying a ford escape
Great video. I owned a 2014 Focus Titanium and got rid of it after 4 years with only 22k miles on it. The issues were the transmission which was an absolute piece of garbage. and the the engine oil leaks which is what finally did it for me. I took it to a Ford dealer and also to an independent mechanic to confirm the diagnosis from the dealer that I need about $2500 in new gaskets, and seals. The independent mechanic told me it would better to get rid of the car as he had seen many issues with these Ecoboost engines, and the well documented double clutch POS transmission issues that Ford knew about before production but sold them anyway. NEVER again will I buy another FORD vehicle. Really sad, because my wife, the prime driver of it, loved everything else about the car and so did I. Ford should rename these engines EcoBUST
Ford has the same reliability issues it's had since 1988.
I won't buy one.
The titanium doesn't come with the ecoboost 🤷♂️
@@jasoncaine2600 Jason, you are correct. Thank you for correcting me. The fact remains, Ecoboost or not, the powertrain in that car and the one in this video SUCK. Another testament to FORD's lousy engineering and lack of customer care.
I bought a Mustang 5.0 and older Escorts in the 90s and they run awesome
I'm a car buff to a degree. I remember when the ecoboosts came out, the usual suspect car magazines all wet their pants over this being the "FUTURE!!!!!". High horsepower and small engines. What could go wrong over the long haul?
Same magazines that made Chevy Vega Car of the year....
The guys who test brand new trucks don't have to use them with 50 or God forbid 100k. They tell you o this ecoboost can haul more than a v8. Yea but for how long? I screwed up and sold my 5.4 for the eco and I try so hard to stay on top of problems. I have failing parts or leaks constantly. Fix one and find another.
too much power, too small of an engine, going to blow up. these engines maybe no more than 150-160 horsepower max.
@@edwardmilano4610 I had a 5.4 and it was a dog, my 3.5l is a much better engine for actually doing stuff more power and easier to live with. As for reliability my 3.5 has only had a water pump and a valve cover gasket. I’ve had more issues with iwes then anything else.
I have stopped reading car magazines...They are a complete joke....
Wow great video! My 2013 ford escape 1.6L is losing lots of coolant too!
That was cool, you use a cystoscope into the cylinders like we do into a bladder for Urology! Same concept. Gosh. Cars years ago had little to no huge issue with design flaws.very informative. Glad we posted this one.
Either lease from now on, or get extended powertrain warranty. Problems eventually get resolved, but customers as beta-testers gets old real fast!
Pretty much every manufacturer uses their customers to beta test these days. Not just for cars.
How about not buying shite cars if you're not a mechanic? Leasing is for people who make 2x or more the national average salary. For the majority, buy an older used car outright and treat it like something you care about, and keep it going including engine and transmission replacements. If you're ignorant and don't care or maintain your vehicle, you get what you deserve no matter what you do, be it killing your car because you're stupid or paying out your butt on a lease and lease return fees.
@@RwP223 correct. Buying a new car is nuts. 1/3 of that vehicles value is depreciated in the first 2 years. A very poor investment decision.
I guess I should consider myself fortunate. After 130k miles, I've not once had to add oil or coolant to my 2.0 ecoboost. Good content. I now know a few places to keep my eye on.
What year and vehicle?
@@fpaltenhoff86 2013 Focus ST
Thanks for this, I was thinking about buying a 2016 escape with the 1.6 but this changed my mind!
thanks bro for calling out and exposing those crooks.
I have a base model S Escape with the non turbo 2.5. Close to 300 thousand miles and basically trouble free. Seems like the more they try to squeeze out of smaller engines the more issues arise.
nah.. A problem this fundamental should just be recalled or at least discontinued early. But instead, they just keep putting them in everything anyway. smh.. This is why I only buy Japanese, other than Trucks.
@@calholli well careful, those turbos are reeling havoc on them too.
Trying to get more performance out of smaller motors has benefits but theres no way around the fact that the motor is just going to be more high strung and more likely to develop problems.
Same here! I was a Ford tech for 9 years (still a tech but for a fleet of Ford vehicles) and when we bought our 2016 fusion se I wanted the 2.5L engine cause it is vastly more reliable than the other 2 options. The 2.0L eb is a lot better than the 1.5/1.6 but still has issues. Our fusion has been rock solid for us, regular maintenance, the usual front cover oil leak (warranty covered) and a driver seat module that failed ($70 fix) and that's it!
S owner here too! Never would have considered the other trim levels with the ecoboost.
I know the 2013 through 2019 1.5, 1.6, and 2.0 engine have this issue. But, i also heard that in 2019 (April i belive) is when they started using the redesigned 2.0 block to correct this issue. Havent heard of any issues after that redesigned block. Also have not heard of any 2020+ 1.5L (3cylinder) having this issue either.
This is correct...exactly what I've heard....from a master Ford pro ....has youtube channel as well...
I have a 2017 Ford Escape SE with the 1.5L Ecoboost with 28,000 miles and my wife has a 2015 Lincoln MKC Reserve with the 2.0L Ecoboost and hers just rolled over to 70,000 miles 2 days ago. As of yet there have been no major issues but I will be keeping an eye on the coolant from now on. I'm due for an oil change in a couple of weeks so I'm sure they'll inform me of any visible leaks. Thanks for this valuable info.
I have a 2018 ford fusion that I bought new. I took the car to the dealer for low coolant and they replaced the long block at 30k miles for the same reason and now I’m on my second block at 78k and guess what, it’s eating coolant again. I will never buy another eco boost again. I hope this video opens up people eyes to this problem and stay far away from from this problem.
With a side view bore scope you can usually see the coolant dripping out of the head gasket. Unfortunately I have seen that too many times
You're right, a bit early to call for a new engine.
Excellent video, sir! This makes me want to sell my wife’s 2014 Titanium Escape while it’s still running and looks like new. We always drive it easy and hardly ever get on it, but every once in a while, I get a whiff of coolant for a few seconds. The tank level stays normal and nothing leaking so I hope the smell is just coming from the coolant tank vent for now. It also has 72,000 miles, but not driven too often since my wife works from home. It’s had quite a few road trips, but hardly anymore. I think it’s time to sell it while it’s good and move on. I’ve always told people these mid level Fords aren’t built to last for the long run. Not with the cheap materials used nowadays. Thanks again for the video, Brian!
Go trade it in on a Toyota RAV4 or 4Runner, get rid of that hot garbage while you can!!
Stop driving it now and sell it!
B T Escape 2014 if Titanium then it has the 2.0 engine - no issues, there is no block replacement for that engine and no known issues with the coolant, Brian presents a 1.6
Stick with your intuition and sell while you can.
There is no coolant vent besides cylinder 2 lol, He's saying it runs at 20 - 21lbs of pressure thats constant except when it cools down. Thats why there is a fill mark on the reservoir bottle for expansion. You can't vent coolant it's a hazmat chemical.
Thank you for your amazing upload. I had the 2013 and I didn't have that problem although I had it for 5yrs and sold it with 77k miles and got a toyota camry instead.
I have a 2016 Ford Fusion SE Ecoboost @135,000 miles (mostly highway miles) Only issues were the purge valve failing and a few recalls (still need to get them done) but the engine is still going! I changed all the fluids so far and i'm good still. Car overall drives decently still!
The gen 1 2.0l Ecoboost is probably the most reliable with a closed deck design of the block. When Ford went to the Twin Scroll Ecoboost was released in late 2015 they went to an open block design, much weaker.
How can you know which one you have? Car in this video was a '14.
This is the 1.6l you can see it on the sticker
This isn't made clear often enough. The first gen is a closed deck, Mazda based block. I believe the 15 or 16 Edge received that 2nd Gen engine first.
Re-visiting this. The real shame is that these engines and the power they make are so amazing! I have rented a few different cars- Edge, Taurus, Mercury Marquis, that have the engines and the performance is wonderful. Really hope that Ford fixes this stuff. I love their cars. Ford engineers ought to run their ideas by you, before production.
There is a lady in the Carolinas who owed over $17k on the car/escape and Dealership still charged her over $5k++ to fix vehicle. 😬
Got 2.1 Ecoboost love it never put wrench on it had for 7 year love the car hope Ford never quit making it !!!!!!
lol, you're gonna have one hell of a wake-up call when it it starts drinking coolant and you get quoted $6000 for a new engine!
So good to learn this. I was considering one of these. Thx
On the vehicle sales sheet, along with the price and features, shouldn't they list MPG of coolant?
Coolant is now the new DEF for gasoline engines, at least from the Ford engineering department.
It's the auto change coolant feature. No need to drain. Just keep adding 🤣
@@Guillotines_For_Globalists What is DEF? Is that short for DEFINITION?
The oil leak feature on the Duratec engines helped keep the subframes from rusting.
@@TheBigdog868 Just like the old English cars and bikes - if it stopped leaving puddles or wetting your boot, you were really low on oil!
This happened to my 2017 2.0 escape last year at about 48k. Luckily it was still under warranty. From my research it does look like ford revised the repair blocks from having a slit between the cylinders(giving not nearly enough space for the gasket to hold back fluid from the cylinders for very long) to holes further away from the space between the cylinders. Hopefully that’s true of the long block they replaced on mine. I have an extended warranty to 100k so if it breaks again at least I have some coverage for a while. Screw Ford. Never again for me. 2nd one I had with major issues. I also had the focus with the stupid DCT.
The dct are garbage. They burn them clutches like crazy.
Had a 2015 Focus with DCT, 5 transmission repairs, major, and 6 minor resets. I documented everything. Joined the lawsuit, they bought it back. Used the money to get a bone stock 2.5L 2018 Escape S with 24k miles, no turbo, no issues. Basically identical to the Focus inside, and it is my wife's car, and she loves it. 2.5 is a workhorse motor, and we bought extended warranty since Ford gave us 90% of the purchase price of the Focus SE. They deducted for the 26K miles we put on it in 5 years. Considered a Toyota, but I did not want a payment. So we have a 2017 F150 STX 2.7 EB and 2018 Escape, no payments. IF we ever need a new vehicle, our son works for Toyota, on assembly, so we will get family discount. But I expect my truck to last another 10 years at least. Maintenance is the key.
I bought a 2012 Focus HB new, and had the trans. replaced under warranty then drove it until 12/2019 trading it in on a 2018 Focus Titanium. I put 300,000 on the 2012 without any further issues. The 2018 needs a battery soon. I would love to have a Focus 5 speed Manual.
@@mikemiller659 I have a 18 focus st 6mt with a 2.0l tdi. Got it around 4 months ago for 23,895 with 34k on it.
Its fully loaded with every option except the power seats and steering wheel, also it has aftermarket wheels and cat back with a cob intake, runs good for 280 some horses.
Been getting a list together to pull 20-30 more ponies out her because 300hp is just a better more round number in my opinion.
You had a DCT fuckus?
Oooof
I mean you didn't know until later, but still, that's a big *oooof*
not just 4 cylinders - just finished rebuilding Fiesta 3cyl 1.0 EcoBoost - it had a crack in the head, and I was surprised it's common issue for them.
Love your analysis good job.
Back in the old days, that problem was the result of a head gasket leak. Cylinder pressure would push into water passages which would in return, overflow the coolant reservoir and eventually push all the coolant out. Some times the coolant system would bleed back into the cylinders but not always. Pressure testing coolant wouldn't always detect a problem. Happy knuckle busting!
That's what is happening on these ecoboost engines as well. They designed a slit in the cylinder walls right at the joint to the next cylinder which causes the headgasket to be MUCH thinner at those points which is the obvious weak point and fail point.
@@RPG-oh1yf I own an F150, doesn’t mean I love Fords. I worked for a fleet operator. Nearly ever make purchased came with factory defects.
@@lawrencecarlson2425 I drive a Ford fleet vehicle for work. I like reliability to so my personal vehicles are all Toyotas, 2 of them older ones that last.
@@RPG-oh1yf This info is not in the video, and since my 2015 broke it off in me I want to know exactly what Ford designed wrong. Thanks to you now I know. This guy shows the effect, but not the cause.
I totally agree with you that recent times we see more design flaws across the board of a lot of manufacturers, not just ford. They care too much about making a easy buck instead of caring about their customers. I stick to the older models that are much more reliable. I have a 03 f150 2 valve that still runs like a champ, sure its blown a spark plug here recently but that was a pretty easy fix. Its practically breaking in half body and frame wise but runs and shifts good. Just like the old crown vics theyre a dinosaur v8 that doesn't put out tons of power but are nearly bulletproof mechanically.
Weld some angle iron and plate and it will stay alive.
Unfortunately the government puts all manufacturers to force garbage, to try and meet epa, mpg, regulations and pollution standards.
All manufacturers are being forced to build garbage!!!
And I agree I still drive my 2004 f250
Looks like crap, but I can keep it running!!
5.4 3V owner here, I'll take my ticking any day of the week!! Followed Brian with my stuck spark plugs and the Timing job, but the exhaust leak is getting pretty annoying lol..
Great video. Is this issue a cheap head gasket issue or head stud issue that’s causing this problem?
Glad I got my '14 Fusion with the 2.5L non-Ecoboost engine. 100K thus far with no problems, and that should be the least anyone expects from a modern car. To have an engine blow at 70K is ridiculous.
Hmmm I thought they stopped using that engine in 2012. Good to know they came in later years. The 2.5L is a Mazda engine iirc.
i have a 2015 fusion 2.5 240k no issues it seems to be smaller displacements
Great video! Unfortunately this exact thing just happened on my 2018 fusion w/ only 40K miles. Check engine light came on, I took it in to get looked at and boom, you need a new engine… smdh… thanks a lot ford.
The lack of deck surface on the block is the main issue on those engines and the coolant consumption and yes the common secret ,head gasket failure.
I think that was the main reason for the headgasket failure issues on Rover K series engines.
My wife has the 2013 Escape 1.6 ECO. At 96,000 miles she blew the sparkplug on #2. The sparkplug threads where toast. I Heal-a-coiled the thread to get her back on the road. But she has been having coolant leak issues that I've never been able to locate. Thanks for the informative video. I'm just going to let her drive it till it blows up and then get her a new car. Maybe a 13-20 Explorer like I have? Only problem I have with my 13 explorer is that the climate control has a mind of it's own. The darn thing turns itself off whenever it wants and makes the constant "button push noise". I basically have to adjust the temp up and down or push random buttons to make it stop. Other than that it's been a great vehicle. On another note. If you have a sunroof don't ever open it or they will leak. Or make sure you blow out the drains once a year. Otherwise rain will pool around the circuit board for the window motor and you'll be stuck with a sunroof that won't close. Again thanks for the great video.
Great video. There was a time, here in Northern Europe (UK), back in the 70's and 80's, a Ford engine wouldnt last much past 100,000 miles. Ford even ran an advert stating "Why would you change your body, if you only need a change of heart ?", in a replacement engine campaign - the Sierra had just come out !
Still love the old Sierras and escorts. Particularly of the estate variety…
@@KazeHorse Yes, I must admit the estate version of Sierra was a good looking car, even now.
Which engine?
The Sierra 2.0 had the Pinto ohv motor.
The Escort 16V was the test bed for the Focus 1.6, the Focus 1.8 was the older motor and was discontinued 2 years after the focus came out.
Imo the 16V is a development of the RS1600 / RS1600i / XR3i family that were eventually superceded by the Ecoboost.
I could be wrong but I've dailyed a Focus 16V since 2006 and it's a strong and reliable motor and I've had none of the issues detailed in the video.
My 16 Escape has the 1.6 ecoboost and we’ve had no real issues. In fact I drive it kinda hard and it’s been very reliable considering that it has over 150k miles.
Now I bought a 22 Escape and it has been in the shop nonstop for things from an accident back in may.
Nice! That's good to hear that. I have a 2019 Lincoln MKC with the 2.0 Ecoboost, essentially a fancy escape, and was concerned about reliability
Great video. GF has a '17, misfire #1 and losing coolant. just getting into troubleshooting and found this video. Now I am worried, 63K miles.
I dropped Ford years ago and will never go back. Great videos and education why not to buy or keep.
My sister's leaked coolant...which she didn't notice until it caused the serpentine belt to break...which in turn took out some sensors/wiring. It was covered under warranty (only 2 months left on the warranty) ...the car had 40k miles on it.
Your videos are great and thank you for doing them. My wife has a 2013 Escape 2.0 and it just turned 180,000 miles. We haven't had anything done to it other than regular oil changes done by myself and plugs about a month ago. It still runs like it did the day we bought it. I keep waiting for some disaster but it keeps going with no issues. I will check the coolant though. Your videos are the best and have helped me with the ford edge 3.5 and f-150 5.0. (No issues with the 5.0 yet) love that motor.... my son has a 05 ranger 4.0 with close to 300,000 miles and still going.
look at the valve cover timing chain side.. there is a sticker on it..is a val engine?
of course the ranger is still going its a ford fuckin ranger
Same here with my 2014 SE 2L ecoboost. Daily tested against any muscle car or pretender. I suspect I'll be more gentle knowing what I learned from the video.
Wait till you need a battery ! Did you see how they stuffed it up under the firewall ? Dumbass design
@@Jack-oj2ci With 173K miles, I've replaced that battery more than once. It's a pain, but do-able.
Thanks buddy! Just confirming my thoughts
What a great video! I'm so glad I sold my Ford stock a year ago. I'm hearing that their electric/hybrids are having some problems also. Really sad - what the heck is happening to American quality? Now I need to find out if my 2017 Chevy 2500 has any particular problems!!
When I was a tech at a Ford dealership I was one of the unfortunate ones who had about 5 of these Escapes already in the back line area waiting for the new replacement block with all new fasteners and gaskets too, at one point I would remark that I would know that I've died and gone to hell if I was working on another EcoBoost Escape.
I have a 2015 Ford Escape Titanium Eco-Boost 1.6, And there’s smoke that comes out the engine after 15 minutes of using the vehicle and I also keep adding anti-coolant every 4 days because the level goes down. What you think it might be?
LOL....
Hey Brian -do the new Rangers (2020 and up) have this problem too? I thought the 2.3L was a good strong motor?
It is
I know this is against the recommendation but, I have had luck with draining all the coolant and filling with 100% antifreeze with no dilution. The fluid is thicker and will slow or stop being ingested by the engine. Worth a shot.
So happy I found this video. I have a question: I took my 2018 escape in under the recall and they replaced the block. Should my car still turn off when I compress the brake?? It does not and I cannot seem to get an answer from the dealer.
Love the channel. This is why I drive Toyota's. (Ive had Fords and loved them, though.. but this crap is unacceptable)
I agree...I have always had Fords but now have switched to Toyotas...My 06 Taurus is still going strong at nearly 300K...Ford does not make well anymore...
I can see a class action suit to follow because of the severity and cost. This happened to my neighbor so she traded it in on a Mitsubishi and gave up on Fords. This is the case with a lot of the unsatisfied Ford customer base. Thanks!
Traded my Ford and became a chevy owner cuz all the problems with my 2015 explorer and that was back in 2019... car payment and dumping literally thousands upon thousands of dollars into a vehicle everytime u turn around and never knowing if u were going to break down or what was going to break next and ford was no help...
@@jdjd7127 Chevy is worse
@@JDMSwervo2001 guess I have been lucky 2016 2500 and 2019 suburban both have over 100k... my explorer was a 2015 from then til 2019 when I traded it I put about 8k into not including what Ford covered it also needed a new steering rack and only had 60k on it and I only drove it in the summer...
@@jdjd7127 I mean Chevy crossovers and small cars lol. The trucks are halfway decent
@@JDMSwervo2001 oh ya I hear the cruise is terrible
Thanks for these videos. I have a 2013 Ford edge 2.0 EcoBoost. do those engines have the same problem?
Makes me soooo glad my 2017 Fusion has the NA 2.5!
I had coolant being consumed on my 1.6L eco. I noticed it was the overflow tank, and I replaced it. No more coolant disappearing. At 120K, I think I'm lucky so far.
Very lucky.
Well, hope my '18 Mustang EB keeps working. It's a great engine with lots of power. Still under 25k miles so not really very worried as I don't race or dragstrip it Also use quality full synth oil for GDI motors as well as a catch can.
Just monitor your coolant level often.
My cousins 17 had a turbo go out and send metal through the motor. Less than 100k miles. Needed a while new motor out of pocket.
My ‘19 econoost with 46k miles is in for the coolant intrusion and already looking at doing a long block replacement.
Thanks for the video
I had a 2014 Ford Fusion Titanium. It was wonderful car. When it hit 69000 miles and I started it up in the morning it would blow lots of white smoke out of the tailpipe. Once I saw that I traded it in for a new Toyota Camry SE.
Good info, thanks. I've been looking at Escapes and it seems like the pre 2012/2014, pre turbo were much better vehicles. I like the newer styling but not looking for expensive headaches.
The 2.5l Duratech engines in the pre-2014 Escapes were insanely reliable. We had a 2009 Escape with 215k km on it and the engine still ran like it was brand new.
As I write this, my 2018 has been sitting at the dealer for two weeks awaiting a replacement long block for this very reason! Thank God for our extended powertrain warranty! Ford really needs to own up on their defective Ecoboost motors!
They corrected this design flaw issue with the 2019 1/2 engine design....on all these ecoboosts....probably the replacement you'll be getting.
@@barrya.6212 I got the Edge back two weeks ago with a new motor. Runs like a champ now, plus my wife is happy to get her baby back! Lol
Do you know what the redesign was?
@@jasonbartz7352 Here is what I read about it...and this was the SECOND posting by a completely different person/ blog on the correction >> "Because it’s a flaw in the block coolant passages. They used a slot and that lead to cracking in the block. They changed it to a drilled passage."
Is this covered under power train warranty? How do you get them to fix? I think I have this issue.
@EGGProduction I have an extended powertrain warranty through April 2024 so the dealership covered the replacement. Otherwise I would probably have had to pay for the replacement up front and pray for reimbursement.
What's going on with yours? Mine started out by blowing smoke for a bit then would disappear. Check engine with misfire code came on and the coolant reservoir was slowly going dry. Two weeks later, it would smoke constantly, which is when I decided to park it until I could get it resolved.
Had my 2015 1.5L EcoBoost do this. First Ford tech thought it was head gasket so replaced it. He left the dealership new guy came in found service bulletin to check for this - well he found it. Luckily I had premium ford warranty. I always get it and they have paid for themselves on a number of my Ford vehicles. Motor got changed at approximately 50,000 miles. They had my car for like 6 months for the repair. Got it back and they had pinched a wire harness during the swap. Not sure when I should get timing belt changed? New dealer service manager is recommending at 150,000. Even my 2008 ford focus 2.0L has a timing chain. Another problem with these engines. Belt goes and so does your valve train. Oh my focus has bad bypass valve in the ABS pump module. Troubleshot off your other video. Cant find replacement part anywhere!! Thank you Ford for supporting your secondary part line. Let's just discontinue the part so everyone has to scrap their cars. Oh recall covered higher end fusions and Lincolns but not the economy cars same era. I'm about done with Ford. Can someone suggest a reliable brand I can switch to on my next vehicle. Oh they just serviced transmission, changed oil, and spark plugs and now I'm noticing a serious power loss in about the 3rd gear range. Thing usually gets up and goes. One thing I do like. Our weather has been pretty hot so thought that might be a contributing factor. Any suggestions, other than to dump the car? It has been paid off for awhile thank goodness. So at least ive gotten some use out of it. It's at about 130k miles now. Thanks
Back in the 70’s my Corolla use to go through head gaskets. I finally figured out that it was because I was doing a lot of engine braking (teenage games). During engine braking, head vacuum is doing a lot of work and head gaskets are primarily engineered for compression. These fords use engine downshifting with cruise control to maintain speed and - god forbid you use your brakes to slow down on the highway. A 1.6 l does little to slow down a suv and suspect this is part of the problem.