Again I'm blown away by the amount of information you cover in person and your videos... Literally covers all of my questions in each video by the end of the video. Keep up the great work! - Eric
WOW! You said your a little over 300 subscribers. I’m way behind. As of now you are well over 6,000! THANKS for this video. My husband and I just tried hammock camping for three nights and purposely left our tent at home so we wouldn’t give up so easily. With a few tweaks to our set up I think we will be in great shape. The continuous ridge line will be an awesome addition. I am also going to modify our rainflies by slightly extending them and adding doors. I love the way you have yours set up. Again, thank you for the videos you are doing😊
Best video yet that I've found on UA-cam explaining how to accessorize and hang your tarp with Dutch bling. Wish I had found this one first instead of suffering through dozens of others. Great video.
Good Morning another great video I am gaining on my decision to purchase a hammock set up. I have chosen the hammock, from Hemlock Mountain Outdoors, and now I have determined my ridgeline and tie outs for the tarp. Now I just have to decide on the tarp. Hex, Rectangle, Doors, No Doors, Silnylon, SilPoloy. After watching Frozen from Outdoors Adventures I think I can go without doors because I am in a position to pick my camping trips. Not that the weatherman is always right. Have a great week.
I feel that you can never go wrong with doors. You have them if you need them, and can stow them away when you don't. I have never regretted having doors!
Another good video for beginners. I'm a continuous ridge line guy. I like the ease of centering my tarp. Your dog barking made my dog alert and look outside. Lol. Keep up the good work.
I personally found this to be one of the most helpful hammock videos out there. And I have watched hundreds, literally. You addressed all my questions and concerns , I liked the weight comparison , I was shocked I may try that out now. I have always done side tie outs , but this may be something worth trying out. Thanks man for making this, good job!
Todd Kunze Nice video. Makes me finally want to try out a CRL. I also shockcord my tie outs with hookworms for same reason you mentioned.You may want to add a header 2x4 to your 4x4s. Typically only 6x6s are recommmeded when not using a header. The side forces are too great. Once the 4x4s become fully dried they may snap off at the base. Just lag bolt a single 2x4 onto the top of the 4x4s and you'll be fine.
Just stumbled across your channel recently. I like the videos. I actually just ordered the same tarp last night and was looking for videos about how people set up their lines, I found yours to be the most helpful. Thanks!
Great stuff. Pretty much what I do. I wish I could get that tarp. I had to settle for Polysil. Only thing different is I use the Dutch Ringworms instead. Thanks!!!!
Nice, tarp management is a big deal. It's good to maximize the ease-of-setup out on the trail. I use a CRL as well, but a little differently than the Dutch edition. I'm stealing your door management idea though. Very simple and elegant- thanks!
I have and use this CRL and it is very functional. There are a couple of deficiencies, the Prussics can get locked up after much use. May go with a different diameter line for these, and use a "tauntline hitch" or use Tato Tarp Connectors. The Dutch Hook end of the line can cut through the line, and can be very tight against a tree making it somewhat difficult to remove. Also it does not form a "V" in the line allowing the tarp to be dropped below the level of the hammock suspension line. I may put a tauntline loop on that end to overcome this.
Great video. Very informative. I have the exact same Ridgeline that I got from Dutch. My issue is I cannot move my prussick knots. they are so tight it’s almost like they’re glued to the other rope. So it’s takes me a lot of time to adjust mine just because sometimes I have to loosen the line to give it enough slacked in order to move the prussicks . God bless you. John
Great video, thanks for taking the time to upload, much appreciated. One way round the prussick issue is to make the CRT an Adjustable CRT! Have a look at Derek Hansen’s Ultimate Hang, a much better and simpler way of setting the tarp, imho. Kind regards from across the pond in deepest Dorset 👍🇬🇧
Great video I've been debating which one to go with on my own set up. Continuous ridge line is what I think I'll go with, l like the easy adjustability of it.
Great video. I'm actually about to do exactly the opposite. Going from a CRL to two separate lines. I'm gonna use Dutch stingerz though. I've used the CRL for many trips. Overall it works great, but sometimes the prussics get so tight they are very difficult to slide.
The prussik action is nice but I’ve actually gone to the split ridgeline currently. I don’t find setup a problem, someone already mentioned the “V”, I like using less cordage, but the big benefit for me is I can more quickly raise or lower the tarp after it’s pitched, like for weather, since the opposite end will hold while I adjust. But I do carry a CRL and small tarp for quick setup on day hikes.
I have been doing both. I have one set up that is the split lines with Stingers and 20 feet of line on each side, and 2 of my setups still have CRLs. Both work great, they are just different. Go with what works for you!
Spiguyver Backpacking Yup. Trade offs & options. My day hike tarp is where I’m more likely to care about quick setup while more likely to care about adjustments while camping. Either way, gotta love Dutch for making it all as simple and quick as possible. Cheers.
Have you given the stingerz a try, I know that is back to a split ridge line, but curious. Also interested in longevity of using a DCF tarp with split ridge setup. I've been using the Stingerz since they came out, but now that I have 2 DCF tarps from HG (palace for winter and standard w/doors for 3 season), i want my investment to last as long as possible. On paper CRL makes sense on taking some of the strain of the DCF ridge, but on the other hand, it's a ridge of DCF which should be strong enough to handle its lifetime of tension through the ridge. I used to use the ole Dutch CRL with wasp, hook and 2 soft shackle/prusik knot setups several years ago, so I could dust them off and go back to a CRL. I have hung tarps several hundred times and dont have a problem centering them the first time so a CRL doesnt interest me for that reason, only getting longevity out of my DCF tarps. But man, I just love those Dutch Stingerz, hopefully my research will green light a split ridge for my DCF tarps. Your thoughts?
I have used the stingers from Dutch, but keep going back to the CRL. I really like being able to just set it up once and then worry about centering the tarp along the CRL. I haven't heard of any problems with the stingers on DCF tarps. Like I always say, use what works best for you! If you end up having any issues with the double side setup and any adverse wear effects on the DCF, let me know! Thanks!
This a a really helpful video. My tarp just arrived & I’m going to rig it up in the morning. I like how you handle door management. I have one question: if the wind only needs to be blocked from one end, and you’re using your shock cord method to keep them open, what would you do with the other end that you want to leave open after securing the closed end? Thanks for sharing all your knowledge & experience!
Awesome, glad it was helpful. You can go about it a few different ways. If you have stakes, you can stake out the one end open, or if your shock cord is long enough you can run it back to the stakes on the opposite end (closed end) and that will hold them open. Hope this helps!
Have you stuck with the Continue Ridge Line? I came across this video when I was putting my hammock system last year, and liked the CRL approach for the tarp, so went with that approach. But after a year of trips I'm kind of looking at the line on each side approach, I'm kind of tired of fiddling with the wasp and setting it right, like what happened in the video. So curious which method people like most?
I do both. I have one set up with the lines on each end, and two that are CRLs. I still prefer the CRL method due to being able to hang it and then center it after it's up without having to go back and forth they way I do with single lines. Thanks!
Oh and I do use different CRLs, not just this one. I have a new tarp coming, I have a specific CRL I will be putting on that one and I will do a video on that!
I was thinking of trying one of Derek Hansen's methods of a CRL will maintaining the V. I was playing around with the concept a little and it definitely is easier to center, and the V would be helpful. Just not sure what method and hardware to try for it.
I really like the Myerstech Hammock Lab ones with the toggles rather than any metal hardware. You can do those with a V as well if you like. Check them out!
Great video. Love your shock cord door tie out techniques from inside. Very simple but effective. I do wonder about the tarp worms, however, on your corner shock cord guy outs. While also effective, I have to wonder if keeping them hooked permanently onto shock cord tie outs might cause holes in tarp as you wrap and store them and tarp in your pack or whatever. Removing them after ea. camp day would be too time consuming, as well as having to re-attach ea time you camp. Wondering how and what you do with your tarp worms?? Liked your tarp and hammock set ups so much, I just subscribed. Thks for taking time to post them.
Thanks! I have not had any issues with the tarp worms being rolled up into my system yet. I think because I use the snakeskin there isn't much movement of the fabric over them, and they don't have any sharp edges, there haven't been any problems. And I'm hoping there won't be!!!
Ok. Thks for quick response. I'll give leaving them on a try. Nothing like the voice of experience and love the simple technique for the worms. As an FYI, I've mostly been a tent camper and so, after watching numerous positive hammock reviews, thought I'd give hammock camping a try. I'm sure I'll be tweaking my hanging gear and techniques as I try diff approaches. Now, let me go set up your door mgmt system on my tarp, using your shock cord technique. Again, much obliged and happy hiking.
This is a long term follow up to my comment above. After watching your video I purchased the continuous ridgeline, some shock cord and several of Dutchware's hookworms. I cannot tell you how great both systems are. It's very easy to adjust the ridgeline using your Dutchware technique and the hookworms for tarp stakeout are just fantastic and so easy to use. Putting shock cord permanently on the tarp tie outs when using Dutch's hookworms is a terrific solution for staking any tarp out. So easy to adjust using this method. Now, I need to go buy some more hookworms for a 2nd tarp. Thks again for this video.
Nice video, I was thinking of setting up my tarp tie outs the same way. I have a couple of questions on the Tarp Worms. Is it pretty easy to feed the line trough the hole of the worm? What diameter line is it, and is the end of the line end spliced? The reason I ask is I already have the dyneema line, and was thinking of just buying the hardware, and shock cord. Thanks.
I use the micro cord, anything bigger and it's going to be tough to feed it through. You can put it through and tie a knot in it and leave it attached if you have problems with it. I just used micro cord I cut myself and burned the ends.
It may be somewhat possible, but you would need additional stakes or something to tie off to beyond the trekking poles. I actually will be discussing this a little in the next Beginner Backpacking Series video in a week or so. Thanks!
Getting an HG Cuben Fiber Palace for Christmas. Have two Ridge lines - one Wasp and one Stingerz - and Hookworms on Reflect it, ready to go. Also purchased the CF Snakeskins so glad to have watched you slide it back. Enjoying your channel. Can you verify the length of the Shock Cord for your Doors? I have heard 2 feet??? I myself am using a Safety Clip for quick release; but you can't get much lighter or easier than your knots! I also planned on using mini cord locks to make adjustments for each shock cord length. Thanks for sharing.
I ended up measuring 2 ft for each door. I used a bowline knot and Larksheaded the shock cord to the Door D-Ring. I have cut off about 4 inches of each length to get a tighter/taunt pitch. I can probably safely take off another 4 inches - but following the "measure twice - cut once" philosophy. Shock cord is not that expensive so I suggest two feet is a great start point.
I started with 2ft and have cut about 4 inches off of each one. I think that is the best way to do it, measure twice cut once. I have had the tarp out about five times and feel two feet is a great starting point. 30 inches may be good if doing a knot connection. For a Safety Clip the 24 inches is more than plenty and I continue to "snip" more and more shock cord off.
Yeah, totally you can, you need some additional stakes, but it can be done pretty easily with some practice. I might have to do a video showing that. Thanks!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 I recently made some Whoopie slings from Lash-it cord. The experience was very frustrating and while they do work I don’t think it’s worth the effort.
Great setup! What do you do if you only want to close 2 doors? Attach the others to the side pulls on the outside? Also how do you deal with porch mode that way?
Forget the continuous ridge line. Two, small cam jams connected directly to your tarp ridge ring. You can make a loop on the other end and run your line through it or put in a tarp tack. Even easier. The whole thing takes seconds to adjust. Way easy and it would take about a 30 second UA-cam video to explain it
Which pull out are you talking about? Depending on the brand of tarp you have, a lot of the vendors can add things on for your. There are also some "aftermarket" pull out type things you can find around. Thanks!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 thank you and I was talking about the pull out you have in the middle of the tarp that give you more room on the inside and yeah I have a cheap tarp I can't afford a custom one I'm new into backpacking and don't have that kind of money I have the like plastic pieces that you can clip on but I I didn't know if they made something like a patch or something how the ones on the middle of your tarp is but I guess you would probably have to get that customized in your tarp when you have it built thank you and sorry to waste your time love your channel by the way
hey Spiguyver do you prefer your tarp Ridgeline obove or below? I'm using mine below because I have always thought that the tarp would be stronger in winds/rain/snow, but I see you tubers put Ridgeline obove tarp, and what's better?
I tried this CRL with prusik knots on a 7 week trip to Japan hanging a Nube' Shelter system over my hammock, by the end of week 2 or so the prusik knots got very tight and hard to slide and the CRL had slack hanging in the middle so we just centered the tarp with Dutch hardware (flyz and hook shown in video). We eventually cut the ridgeline because it looked sloppy and had no purpose. This idea looked good but didn't work for me. Just my two cents.
John Butler I do almost exactly as spiguyver does except I put the line under the tarp. This lets the line take any stress from swaying trees, etc and still keeps a sharp looking peak. The other difference is that I use line locks instead of tarp worms. The advantage he didnt mention is that by permanently attaching the line to your stakes instead of your tarp is that it makes it much harder to lose your stakes which is nice if you are using titanium stakes.
Is that a rottweiler?! I love Rotties!! My boy is a rottie too, best breed ever :D So have you got a wasp at each end? I just have a simple hook, by dutchware I believe. I got it from henge hammocks which I assume directly imports from dutchware. One hook, two Nama claws and one tac toggle. The thing about soft shackles is they're extremely versatile for anything-theyre lightweight minimalist carabinas. The only down side is they're small and fiddly, so with cold hands they're hard to use and easy to lose. Why don't you just use a continuous loop as a prussik and shove a stick through the loop once through the attachment? Sticks are found absolutely everywhere, don't need it strong. The continuous ridgeline is definitely the way forward, I used to use paracord on each end as a novice often in the cold and sodden rain not so nimble but then thin paracord which just bunches up with a prussic. I'm so excited now I got this dyneema continuous ridgeline. Seems for me personally the perfect balance of lightweight minimalism and fiddling. I also love my superlight DD system: my hammock is so small it can sit in my pocket, and the tarp is supremely versatile, I can use it on the ground or over s hammock, even different almost endless configurations in each...even fold the ends down as doors. The problem with that is good and bad though: lightweight means small for me, so it's very low and with said improvised doors in a storm it has a 75cm footprint, big enough to stand in and cook, unless I only have one door shut. I'm absolutely fine with this though, it's not often I need to, and once did that for privacy in a car park when I got lost overnight haha (next day loads of cars surrounding me, I was daft). You've taught me about making the doors taught if they're more angled, I might see about doing that-i can pull my sides out for more space so it's certainly plausible for my small shelter Thanks for sharing
I have a dumb question regarding the hook worms..all my ground shelters have had the guy lines etc attached to shelter. With the hardware I assume they stay with stakes and get in a huge rats nest definitely not what I want to deal with after a long day esp if setting up at night...I’ve got the 6’ section of zingit with hookworms wrapped around all four of my stakes..currently ti Shep hooks but may use my Easton nails or try groundhogs. Must be a better way.....
Richard Moran I have my book worms and lines attached to my stakes, and then they attach to the tarp when I set it up. That way you can wind the line around the stake and keep everything nicely organized!
Damned expensive though? It’s just bling that solves a problem that doesn’t exist! For the gear hound! Who must have the latest gizmo. Why not, I suppose. Good luck with them.
your scales are wrong dude or not sensitive enough. a wasp with 12' of line weighs 6.75g so two of them weigh a mammoth 6g less than the continuous ridge line (which is 22) :)
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 not to mention it is way heavier and holds water. Braided Dyneema 100% for me (and sometimes with reflection if used where my be a tripping hazard). Only thing to pick is which thickness dyneema you want to go with for the given application, IMHO.
Again I'm blown away by the amount of information you cover in person and your videos... Literally covers all of my questions in each video by the end of the video. Keep up the great work! - Eric
Thanks Eric! Looking forward to meeting up again and showing you something new!
WOW! You said your a little over 300 subscribers. I’m way behind. As of now you are well over 6,000! THANKS for this video. My husband and I just tried hammock camping for three nights and purposely left our tent at home so we wouldn’t give up so easily. With a few tweaks to our set up I think we will be in great shape. The continuous ridge line will be an awesome addition. I am also going to modify our rainflies by slightly extending them and adding doors. I love the way you have yours set up. Again, thank you for the videos you are doing😊
Texas Lens Camping Thanks for the kind words! Enjoy catching up on the videos!
Nice video ignoring wind noise. Very informative. Thanks.
Best video yet that I've found on UA-cam explaining how to accessorize and hang your tarp with Dutch bling. Wish I had found this one first instead of suffering through dozens of others. Great video.
Wow! Probably the best put-together video on this setup I've seen. Terrific job!
Thank you! I appreciate it!
Good Morning another great video I am gaining on my decision to purchase a hammock set up. I have chosen the hammock, from Hemlock Mountain Outdoors, and now I have determined my ridgeline and tie outs for the tarp. Now I just have to decide on the tarp. Hex, Rectangle, Doors, No Doors, Silnylon, SilPoloy. After watching Frozen from Outdoors Adventures I think I can go without doors because I am in a position to pick my camping trips. Not that the weatherman is always right. Have a great week.
I feel that you can never go wrong with doors. You have them if you need them, and can stow them away when you don't. I have never regretted having doors!
Spiguyver Backpacking I know you are correct but I am weighing budget and underquilt
Another good video for beginners. I'm a continuous ridge line guy. I like the ease of centering my tarp. Your dog barking made my dog alert and look outside. Lol. Keep up the good work.
I personally found this to be one of the most helpful hammock videos out there. And I have watched hundreds, literally. You addressed all my questions and concerns , I liked the weight comparison , I was shocked I may try that out now. I have always done side tie outs , but this may be something worth trying out. Thanks man for making this, good job!
Todd Kunze Nice video. Makes me finally want to try out a CRL. I also shockcord my tie outs with hookworms for same reason you mentioned.You may want to add a header 2x4 to your 4x4s. Typically only 6x6s are recommmeded when not using a header. The side forces are too great. Once the 4x4s become fully dried they may snap off at the base. Just lag bolt a single 2x4 onto the top of the 4x4s and you'll be fine.
Nice video that gave me a different slant on panel center pull and door management for the Winter Palace! Thanks.
Just stumbled across your channel recently. I like the videos. I actually just ordered the same tarp last night and was looking for videos about how people set up their lines, I found yours to be the most helpful. Thanks!
Awesome video. I found myself watching it several times to get new ideas for my own setup. Keep up the great content. LET'S GO
Thanks! Check out my trip video I'll be posting on Tuesday, I put some tips inside of that video as well!
Great stuff. Pretty much what I do. I wish I could get that tarp. I had to settle for Polysil. Only thing different is I use the Dutch Ringworms instead. Thanks!!!!
Silpoly is good stuff, I have a couple silpoly tarps too! Thanks!
Nice, tarp management is a big deal. It's good to maximize the ease-of-setup out on the trail. I use a CRL as well, but a little differently than the Dutch edition. I'm stealing your door management idea though. Very simple and elegant- thanks!
I have and use this CRL and it is very functional. There are a couple of deficiencies, the Prussics can get locked up after much use. May go with a different diameter line for these, and use a "tauntline hitch" or use Tato Tarp Connectors. The Dutch Hook end of the line can cut through the line, and can be very tight against a tree making it somewhat difficult to remove. Also it does not form a "V" in the line allowing the tarp to be dropped below the level of the hammock suspension line. I may put a tauntline loop on that end to overcome this.
Great video. Very informative. I have the exact same Ridgeline that I got from Dutch. My issue is I cannot move my prussick knots. they are so tight it’s almost like they’re glued to the other rope. So it’s takes me a lot of time to adjust mine just because sometimes I have to loosen the line to give it enough slacked in order to move the prussicks . God bless you. John
Yeah, sometimes that prussic can be tough to adjust. Thanks!
Great video, thanks for taking the time to upload, much appreciated. One way round the prussick issue is to make the CRT an Adjustable CRT! Have a look at Derek Hansen’s Ultimate Hang, a much better and simpler way of setting the tarp, imho. Kind regards from across the pond in deepest Dorset 👍🇬🇧
@@clivenewton7609 Clive. We are probably cousins. My name is John Newton. lol
Great video I've been debating which one to go with on my own set up. Continuous ridge line is what I think I'll go with, l like the easy adjustability of it.
Great video. I'm actually about to do exactly the opposite. Going from a CRL to two separate lines. I'm gonna use Dutch stingerz though.
I've used the CRL for many trips. Overall it works great, but sometimes the prussics get so tight they are very difficult to slide.
Thank you. This was very helpful, I learned a lot!
Awesome! Thank you!
The prussik action is nice but I’ve actually gone to the split ridgeline currently. I don’t find setup a problem, someone already mentioned the “V”, I like using less cordage, but the big benefit for me is I can more quickly raise or lower the tarp after it’s pitched, like for weather, since the opposite end will hold while I adjust. But I do carry a CRL and small tarp for quick setup on day hikes.
I have been doing both. I have one set up that is the split lines with Stingers and 20 feet of line on each side, and 2 of my setups still have CRLs. Both work great, they are just different. Go with what works for you!
Spiguyver Backpacking Yup. Trade offs & options. My day hike tarp is where I’m more likely to care about quick setup while more likely to care about adjustments while camping. Either way, gotta love Dutch for making it all as simple and quick as possible. Cheers.
I hear ya!
Have you given the stingerz a try, I know that is back to a split ridge line, but curious. Also interested in longevity of using a DCF tarp with split ridge setup. I've been using the Stingerz since they came out, but now that I have 2 DCF tarps from HG (palace for winter and standard w/doors for 3 season), i want my investment to last as long as possible. On paper CRL makes sense on taking some of the strain of the DCF ridge, but on the other hand, it's a ridge of DCF which should be strong enough to handle its lifetime of tension through the ridge. I used to use the ole Dutch CRL with wasp, hook and 2 soft shackle/prusik knot setups several years ago, so I could dust them off and go back to a CRL. I have hung tarps several hundred times and dont have a problem centering them the first time so a CRL doesnt interest me for that reason, only getting longevity out of my DCF tarps. But man, I just love those Dutch Stingerz, hopefully my research will green light a split ridge for my DCF tarps.
Your thoughts?
I have used the stingers from Dutch, but keep going back to the CRL. I really like being able to just set it up once and then worry about centering the tarp along the CRL. I haven't heard of any problems with the stingers on DCF tarps. Like I always say, use what works best for you! If you end up having any issues with the double side setup and any adverse wear effects on the DCF, let me know! Thanks!
Great video! Thank you for keeping it simple.
Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!
This a a really helpful video. My tarp just arrived & I’m going to rig it up in the morning. I like how you handle door management. I have one question: if the wind only needs to be blocked from one end, and you’re using your shock cord method to keep them open, what would you do with the other end that you want to leave open after securing the closed end? Thanks for sharing all your knowledge & experience!
Awesome, glad it was helpful. You can go about it a few different ways. If you have stakes, you can stake out the one end open, or if your shock cord is long enough you can run it back to the stakes on the opposite end (closed end) and that will hold them open. Hope this helps!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 Thanks! I’ll give that a try 😁
Have you stuck with the Continue Ridge Line? I came across this video when I was putting my hammock system last year, and liked the CRL approach for the tarp, so went with that approach. But after a year of trips I'm kind of looking at the line on each side approach, I'm kind of tired of fiddling with the wasp and setting it right, like what happened in the video. So curious which method people like most?
I do both. I have one set up with the lines on each end, and two that are CRLs. I still prefer the CRL method due to being able to hang it and then center it after it's up without having to go back and forth they way I do with single lines. Thanks!
Oh and I do use different CRLs, not just this one. I have a new tarp coming, I have a specific CRL I will be putting on that one and I will do a video on that!
I was thinking of trying one of Derek Hansen's methods of a CRL will maintaining the V. I was playing around with the concept a little and it definitely is easier to center, and the V would be helpful. Just not sure what method and hardware to try for it.
I really like the Myerstech Hammock Lab ones with the toggles rather than any metal hardware. You can do those with a V as well if you like. Check them out!
Great video. Love your shock cord door tie out techniques from inside. Very simple but effective. I do wonder about the tarp worms, however, on your corner shock cord guy outs. While also effective, I have to wonder if keeping them hooked permanently onto shock cord tie outs might cause holes in tarp as you wrap and store them and tarp in your pack or whatever. Removing them after ea. camp day would be too time consuming, as well as having to re-attach ea time you camp. Wondering how and what you do with your tarp worms?? Liked your tarp and hammock set ups so much, I just subscribed. Thks for taking time to post them.
Thanks! I have not had any issues with the tarp worms being rolled up into my system yet. I think because I use the snakeskin there isn't much movement of the fabric over them, and they don't have any sharp edges, there haven't been any problems. And I'm hoping there won't be!!!
Ok. Thks for quick response. I'll give leaving them on a try. Nothing like the voice of experience and love the simple technique for the worms. As an FYI, I've mostly been a tent camper and so, after watching numerous positive hammock reviews, thought I'd give hammock camping a try. I'm sure I'll be tweaking my hanging gear and techniques as I try diff approaches. Now, let me go set up your door mgmt system on my tarp, using your shock cord technique. Again, much obliged and happy hiking.
Glad I could be of help, and if you run into any issues or have any questions, feel free to shoot me a message.
This is a long term follow up to my comment above. After watching your video I purchased the continuous ridgeline, some shock cord and several of Dutchware's hookworms. I cannot tell you how great both systems are. It's very easy to adjust the ridgeline using your Dutchware technique and the hookworms for tarp stakeout are just fantastic and so easy to use. Putting shock cord permanently on the tarp tie outs when using Dutch's hookworms is a terrific solution for staking any tarp out. So easy to adjust using this method. Now, I need to go buy some more hookworms for a 2nd tarp. Thks again for this video.
Good video. Helpful for understanding the difference.
Do you still use continuous ridge line or back to hooking to the tarp directly?
Still use and prefer the CRL. Much less stress on the tarp as well! Thanks!
Nice video, I was thinking of setting up my tarp tie outs the same way. I have a couple of questions on the Tarp Worms. Is it pretty easy to feed the line trough the hole of the worm? What diameter line is it, and is the end of the line end spliced?
The reason I ask is I already have the dyneema line, and was thinking of just buying the hardware, and shock cord.
Thanks.
I use the micro cord, anything bigger and it's going to be tough to feed it through. You can put it through and tie a knot in it and leave it attached if you have problems with it. I just used micro cord I cut myself and burned the ends.
Great video. Very helpful
Awesome, glad it helped! Thanks!
Very cool. Really like this setup. Keep it simple.
Absolutely! Thanks!
Is it possible to run a continuous ridgeline if you are using trekking poles and not trees for your guylines? I think not, right?
It may be somewhat possible, but you would need additional stakes or something to tie off to beyond the trekking poles. I actually will be discussing this a little in the next Beginner Backpacking Series video in a week or so. Thanks!
Getting an HG Cuben Fiber Palace for Christmas. Have two Ridge lines - one Wasp and one Stingerz - and Hookworms on Reflect it, ready to go. Also purchased the CF Snakeskins so glad to have watched you slide it back. Enjoying your channel. Can you verify the length of the Shock Cord for your Doors? I have heard 2 feet??? I myself am using a Safety Clip for quick release; but you can't get much lighter or easier than your knots! I also planned on using mini cord locks to make adjustments for each shock cord length. Thanks for sharing.
I"m interested in how long the shock cord lengths are as well!
I ended up measuring 2 ft for each door. I used a bowline knot and Larksheaded the shock cord to the Door D-Ring. I have cut off about 4 inches of each length to get a tighter/taunt pitch. I can probably safely take off another 4 inches - but following the "measure twice - cut once" philosophy. Shock cord is not that expensive so I suggest two feet is a great start point.
Spiguyver Backpacking did you ever get a measurement on those shock cords?
I started with 2ft and have cut about 4 inches off of each one. I think that is the best way to do it, measure twice cut once. I have had the tarp out about five times and feel two feet is a great starting point. 30 inches may be good if doing a knot connection. For a Safety Clip the 24 inches is more than plenty and I continue to "snip" more and more shock cord off.
there is a setup with the tarp to use it with hiking poles like a tent ? for use it when there is no trees
Yeah, totally you can, you need some additional stakes, but it can be done pretty easily with some practice. I might have to do a video showing that. Thanks!
Does anyone use two small Whoopi Slings to tension and position their tarp from the trees?
I haven't seen anyone do that, but it would work.
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 I recently made some Whoopie slings from Lash-it cord. The experience was very frustrating and while they do work I don’t think it’s worth the effort.
Great setup! What do you do if you only want to close 2 doors? Attach the others to the side pulls on the outside? Also how do you deal with porch mode that way?
Forget the continuous ridge line. Two, small cam jams connected directly to your tarp ridge ring. You can make a loop on the other end and run your line through it or put in a tarp tack. Even easier.
The whole thing takes seconds to adjust. Way easy and it would take about a 30 second UA-cam video to explain it
Nice vid. The camera on floor showed two parallel chemtrails in the sky.
Thanks!
What size posts did you use? How deep were the holes?
I used 4x6 posts, turned so that the 6" section was in line with the hammock. They are 18 inches in the ground with 2 bags of cement each.
This is awesome, I’m subbed. Good job
Thanks, anything else you were looking for that you didn't find? I'm always looking for helpful videos to put together!
Great video! What length are your guy line shock cords and what length are your door line shock cords?
I don't recall the exact lengths, I'll see if I can get those numbers for you. Thanks!
How do you get the pull out on the tarp and can they be put on any tarp
Which pull out are you talking about? Depending on the brand of tarp you have, a lot of the vendors can add things on for your. There are also some "aftermarket" pull out type things you can find around. Thanks!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 thank you and I was talking about the pull out you have in the middle of the tarp that give you more room on the inside and yeah I have a cheap tarp I can't afford a custom one I'm new into backpacking and don't have that kind of money I have the like plastic pieces that you can clip on but I I didn't know if they made something like a patch or something how the ones on the middle of your tarp is but I guess you would probably have to get that customized in your tarp when you have it built thank you and sorry to waste your time love your channel by the way
hey Spiguyver do you prefer your tarp Ridgeline obove or below? I'm using mine below because I have always thought that the tarp would be stronger in winds/rain/snow, but I see you tubers put Ridgeline obove tarp, and what's better?
do you think you got a tighter tarp top line pulling directly on the tarp rather than the 2 prausic knots.
I tried this CRL with prusik knots on a 7 week trip to Japan hanging a Nube' Shelter system over my hammock, by the end of week 2 or so the prusik knots got very tight and hard to slide and the CRL had slack hanging in the middle so we just centered the tarp with Dutch hardware (flyz and hook shown in video). We eventually cut the ridgeline because it looked sloppy and had no purpose. This idea looked good but didn't work for me. Just my two cents.
A great video, question can the ridge line be inside the tarp?
John Butler I do almost exactly as spiguyver does except I put the line under the tarp. This lets the line take any stress from swaying trees, etc and still keeps a sharp looking peak. The other difference is that I use line locks instead of tarp worms. The advantage he didnt mention is that by permanently attaching the line to your stakes instead of your tarp is that it makes it much harder to lose your stakes which is nice if you are using titanium stakes.
will the Dutch hook clip directly to your plastic D ring or would you need a continuous loop to do it.
The Dutch hooks are for use with 1.75 mm line. I'm afraid the plastic D rings are thicker, so you have to attach a small 1.75 mm line continous loop.
Is that a rottweiler?! I love Rotties!! My boy is a rottie too, best breed ever :D
So have you got a wasp at each end? I just have a simple hook, by dutchware I believe. I got it from henge hammocks which I assume directly imports from dutchware. One hook, two Nama claws and one tac toggle.
The thing about soft shackles is they're extremely versatile for anything-theyre lightweight minimalist carabinas. The only down side is they're small and fiddly, so with cold hands they're hard to use and easy to lose. Why don't you just use a continuous loop as a prussik and shove a stick through the loop once through the attachment? Sticks are found absolutely everywhere, don't need it strong.
The continuous ridgeline is definitely the way forward, I used to use paracord on each end as a novice often in the cold and sodden rain not so nimble but then thin paracord which just bunches up with a prussic. I'm so excited now I got this dyneema continuous ridgeline. Seems for me personally the perfect balance of lightweight minimalism and fiddling.
I also love my superlight DD system: my hammock is so small it can sit in my pocket, and the tarp is supremely versatile, I can use it on the ground or over s hammock, even different almost endless configurations in each...even fold the ends down as doors. The problem with that is good and bad though: lightweight means small for me, so it's very low and with said improvised doors in a storm it has a 75cm footprint, big enough to stand in and cook, unless I only have one door shut. I'm absolutely fine with this though, it's not often I need to, and once did that for privacy in a car park when I got lost overnight haha (next day loads of cars surrounding me, I was daft).
You've taught me about making the doors taught if they're more angled, I might see about doing that-i can pull my sides out for more space so it's certainly plausible for my small shelter
Thanks for sharing
The stinger is only on one end, like yours it has the tiny hook on the other end. No the dog is a mutt!
Great video! The description of how you rig your tarp doors was great! What size posts did you use? 4x4?
awesome video
Great job. Thank you.
Does it matter if snake skin encloses tarp ridgeline as well as tarp?
Richard Moran for best results I find it should enclose both the tarp and ridge line.
Check out the video I did comparing the mesh and dyneema snake skins.
Spiguyver Backpacking thx that’s what I thought...just got my tarp and ridgeline today...nice stuff
I have a dumb question regarding the hook worms..all my ground shelters have had the guy lines etc attached to shelter. With the hardware I assume they stay with stakes and get in a huge rats nest definitely not what I want to deal with after a long day esp if setting up at night...I’ve got the 6’ section of zingit with hookworms wrapped around all four of my stakes..currently ti Shep hooks but may use my Easton nails or try groundhogs. Must be a better way.....
Richard Moran I have my book worms and lines attached to my stakes, and then they attach to the tarp when I set it up. That way you can wind the line around the stake and keep everything nicely organized!
What length of shock cord do you use??
Yeah for the door tie outs
Even the house dog agreed 👍
Yes he did!
Damned expensive though? It’s just bling that solves a problem that doesn’t exist! For the gear hound! Who must have the latest gizmo. Why not, I suppose. Good luck with them.
True, there are quite a few ways to get this done that would be a whole lot less expensive. This is just one option!
You can just fix big hooks to those posts? No need for whoopie slings there.
True
your scales are wrong dude or not sensitive enough. a wasp with 12' of line weighs 6.75g so two of them weigh a mammoth 6g less than the continuous ridge line (which is 22) :)
Bandanko Thanks man! I have a new scale since this video which is much more sensitive and accurate.
To small for 550 cord ...
I haven't tried using 550 cord, it stretches a bit too much for me. Thanks!
@@SpiguyverBackpacking1 not to mention it is way heavier and holds water. Braided Dyneema 100% for me (and sometimes with reflection if used where my be a tripping hazard).
Only thing to pick is which thickness dyneema you want to go with for the given application, IMHO.
Get a mic cover...hard to listen these with the wind. Moved on.
I have mic covers for all my mics now, have moved on quite a bit from the equipment that was used in this early video. Thanks!
Great vid, horrible sound.
TwentyOneTwelve Yeah that was an early video before I started using an external audio source.
Too technical for a beginner 😡
Sorry, what did you have questions with and I can try to help or steer you toward another video?