You Are Doing Drops ALL WRONG:
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
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How to do drops? This is one of the most commonly asked questions and there are A TON of answers! There's also TONS of fail videos on this very topic. Hitting drops on a mountain bike has caused many an injury and the majority of it has to do with being in the wrong position. I bring Rob in to discuss the technique we use. Let us know your thoughts.
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This is a super popular spot here in Bentonville. As a matter of fact, it was where we used to hold our clinics. Even thought it was a damn near perfect spot, we had to move. Why you ask? Well, it was because the amount of people crashing off these drops completely disrupted our events. I've seen it all here: Manual off, hop off, carry way too much speed off. People do all sorts of crazy things here and quite a few have crashed. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if some of you reading this have crashed in this very spot. All you have to do is post up here, or any spot similar to this, and watch the carnage ensue. What's the cause? A few things I think, but the main culprit is getting in the back seat as they come off the drop.
Just think of the physics at play here, and gravity of course. Simply minimize all of the factors in this equation and you'll have success. That being said, I'm ok stating that fun does not play into this. I don't find drops to be particularly fun and I'm not a "send it" type of guy.
At the end of the day, DO WHATEVER THE HECK YOU WANT! I'd just love it if you didn't crash ;)
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Again, these are former racers that are instructors. They deal with making "foundational" skill more adaptable for beginner to intermediate riders, pushing progression safely, daily. The BMX / Trials rider that can bounce on their rear tire for 5 minutes, or the self proclaimed Sendy McSender semi-pro, trying to turn doubles into triples, might elect to use a different technique. We appreciate that you are looking out for most riders, so that they can do their best.
they literally overcomplicate a basic skill. its a SKILL not a procedure. try teaching someone how to put a golf ball in the hole. watch a video wonder why ball wont go in hole... well, it takes fkn practice.
@@8iamretarded8 me put ball in hole. me ride bike off drop
@@richdrewtherideseries lol pretty much my mate approach he had 2 shoulder surgery already but he watch your video 1000times
Rob adds so much to these videos. Definitely do more Rob!
I think you should or could address more of how the technique changes based on speed. You said go the speed the drop requires but that's not often the circumstance ppl are in.
Gonna get him in there as much as possible!
We are working on a video that addresses different speeds and drops to flat
I just took Rich's 2-day class, and it was taught with the same clarity, passion and humor shown in this video. I'm itching to go ride my bike and implement what I've learned from Rich (and in this video, Rob).
I Watch your video and for the first time [i’m riding about 12 year now] i try a little drop, and it works very easily!
Thanks man!
Great to hear! Keep it up!
Tnx guys I saw all three videos now about drops and they really taught me the basics to do drops and also gave me the confidence to ride bigger drops without putting myself into danger more than needed. I think you saved me from braking a collar bone. I was always off with my timing doing that manual thing. You learned me how "easy" it can be to ride drops. I think the last 2 videos were made to set things straight, for me it was immediately clear in the first video that firing down was not applicable to all drops, you explicitly said so.
Keep up the good work.
Thanks Joris! I love hearing how the videos have helped. It’s a tough topic with all of the information AND all of the unique circumstances that come up on trail. Keep it up and have fun out there!
I enjoyed the video and it’s really disheartening to see some of the comments. Your videos have helped me, Thank you!!
Probably one of the best videos on “how to” . Not like the rest were bad but it’s great how u guys mentioned on the start of the video the technique is same but each jump for viewers out here would face diff scenarios. 👍🏻
Glad you liked it Ernest!
So...two unaddressed questions (with perhaps obvious answers to everyone but me):
1. Do I have to STAND UP when the bike is about to drop? That seems it would put a ton of strain on my knees when landing.
2. Is the action of the handlebar pulling down going to also pull down hard on my elbows? I've been consciously bending my elbows more than usual before I ride off a curb just so I don't hurt the weak one.
Very helpful video at last! All the rest of the riders that post videos about jumping leave it a bit confusing and you’ve made it all clear. Thank you so much!!
I like the way you present your knowledge. I have learned much from your videos. I hope you follow this one up with one or more that describe the nuances of different drop scenarios.
Where I ride, there are no artificial drops. None of the drops have a long, flat, smooth runway approach. Most landings are flat-ish. Many drops are down-sloped take-offs to flat landings. The drops here commonly have some reason to need more horizontal flight distance than is achievable with a safe approach speed.
There are a million video tutorials showing drops off of well-built ladder bridges onto perfectly configured landing and runout zones. A series of videos that breakdown the skills/techniques needed for scenarios listed above would be unique and of great value to many, many MTBers. I would pay to see that series if the Drew Brothers made it.
GREAT IDEA!!
Lovely explanation!
I'm just learning to do drops and jumps, so before I try a feature myself, I launch my bike to show me the way :-)
Smart man!
Lol, never thought of that 👍
Its “the words” that got you in trouble last time. The “hey, watch me and do it like this” is (and was) very good. Personally, when learning something physical I have always felt going heavy on “the show” and light on “the tell” was most effective.
Story of my life 🤷🏻♂️😉.
yep. way too much waffle but this is how you get 20,000 views on a fairly pointless and unhelpful video.
Video should start at 7:35
Their method starts at 12:17
First bit is mostly disclaimers to be careful and safe and use your judgement because places you ride may be different.
Don't worry about the naysayers. Obviously, watching you guys do it, it's easy to see that it works. I have been doing this technique as well and it helps.
Great to hear Dirt City!!
You guys are great as always!! Rob's humour is even better than his riding!!
Can you do some drops to flat examples in the future? Keep on doing what your doing. Love it.
Hey there! That’s the plan. Working on the locations now
Excellent video RD^2! I'm trying this approach as, after your detailed explanation, it makes perfect sense to me.
Thanks Carlos!
Your method for drops has been one I feel comfortable with! I'm still a noob tho only 1 year into this sport. Loving it. Also the physics makes sense to me! Even tho mates keep telling me to do it other ways I'm not changing! Hahaha Keep doing what you guys do!
Heck yeah, way to be a lone Wolf…er, panda 😉. One year in, that’s awesome! So much left for you to learn and experience, enjoy it!
@@richdrewtherideseries hahahaha cheers big man 🤙🤙🤙🤙
Drop to Flat next please. This will only work to a drop with a lander. I think for guys do the manual and pump, they are trying to simulate how a jump works so they are creating lift which is wrong because the feature is a drop not a jump. So as far as the feature is concern your technique is the correct way to overcome this obstacle.
We’re working on the drop to flat vid JayPee, hopefully soon
You don’t need to be that low in an aggressive stance. Everyone does it different, but no reason to go that low to kiss the stem before a drop.
To nose heavy hitting them. Don’t think front wheel should be landing first.
This is the best example of overthinking something perhaps.
Perhaps it is 🤔
Good lesson. Thank you thank you. I have been missing point 1 and point 2
After seeing your vid, I've been using this technique on the Huntley drop all summer, many many times successfully. Feels natural. So, a group of Ben Tubbard students comes along and says, "you're doing it wrong". Their method has them upright on the bike while going over the edge, not with the chest down low as on your video. Tell me, what's wrong/right with their method?
Good video on this topic and one that I needed, so thanks to the both of you! I do however wanna see Rob eating a beignet next time.
Once again...excellent job! Keep riding!
Hi guys I just did a big flat drop and FRACTURED my leg, so can you do a vid on how to do them WITHOUT breaking bones?(I was on a 150mm full sus) cheers!
I thought the first drop how to vid was great. Very informative 👍
Thanks Mike!
I’ve been using your technique and it has been great on smaller drops. The question I have is how do I apply it to a 6’ drop onto a flat landing? We don’t have any slanted landings where I ride. Every drop is a natural rock structure that drops to flats. No wooden drops. Also, there are some drops that just don’t let you get up to the appropriate speed. There’s a tough, right angle turn and only about fifteen feet to a significant drop. How do you approach that situation?
I wouldn't try this method on big drops trail boss has a great drop technique
I think the difference between this technique (push down on the handlebars) vs the shift-your-weight-back technique that other UA-camrs are teaching is the speed at which you can hit the drop. Both are valid techniques but what the Drew brothers’ show here is best when carrying a bit more speed. If I found my self lacking the necessary speed and I am past the point of aborting safely, I would use the shift-your-weight-back (or push-the-bike-forward-not-downward) technique. On a trail with big drops but no clear, smooth path leading up to the edge of the drop, shift your weight back to keep the front wheel from diving too soon (watch Remy Metailler videos). On man made drops with smooth, long ramps such as in this video, the Drew brothers’ technique works well. Just my 2 cents.
@@markjdv Agreed. Lee McCormack (and Alex Bogusky) have some good advice on drops, as well.
Exactly. Pretty much anyone can do a drop when going at a decent speed. But as you said, a lot of situations dictate that you have been forced to slow down, and in a short time the drop is upon you before you can get up to speed, with a flat landing to boot. What then is the best technique to handle such situations short of stopping and walking around the feature?
Unfortunately, they seem to want to spend more time insulting their viewers with sarcasm ("there's a lot of experts out there on UA-cam, apparently.... ") and being thin skinned (complaining about "a lot of vitriol, venom"). I didn't even make it past the 2:30 mark after all of their excuses, victim playing, whining, etc....
@@Randy_Johnson Much better than the Drew brothers, imo....
This is not a great technique for slow-speed and or technical drops. The way they're teaching drops works well for medium to high speed drops that have a smooth take off. Wade Simmons does a great drop tutorial for slower and more complicated drops.
It actually works really well for Rob and I on slow speed and technical drops. Everyone has an opinion though and Wade is a rad dude! Actually got to tour him around Bentonville last year, it was pretty damn cool!
@@richdrewtherideseries To each their own! I'm glad it works for you guys on tech drops. And riding with Wade around Bentonville sounds like a fun time!
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You stress how you need to find the right speed for a drop, but now you say your technique is great for a slower technical drop. You know full well that some technical trails don't allow you to hit the takeoff at a speed suitable to keep you from ending up nose-first in the ground. In some cases, you give yourself a little hop at the lip so the front wheel doesn't fall too far before the back wheel has cleared the lip. Simple physics. Roll off a 5-foot drop at 7-8 mph without a hop and see what happens. Your video is fine for a drop with a nice approach and landing.
Where I live the trails are mostly natural and all the drops are to flat. As much as I appreciate the idea here, it is often not possible to get enough speed to smoothly land with both wheels without either popping or accelerating the front wheel forward off the lip. If I'm missing something please let me know, but something needs to happen to keep the bike from nosediving.
Valid point, and I think they both acknowledged that circumstances can call for variations in the technique(s) employed. In this video, it's my opinion that what they are doing, and what they are saying, have some contrast. I'm sure Rich won't like me saying this, but it's my observation. What they are doing with this technique is more about where you START, because that's the key to the whole thing. What I SEE, is they get over the front of the bike, with bent arms. Then as they go off the end of the drop, their arms straighten as their bodies stay mostly static with a very slight rearward movement, which is more of a result of using their arms to "catch" the bike as gravity starts to pull it down. To me, what's key about that is, they left themselves the option of how quickly they "catch" the bike. If they need to extend the landing you keep it level longer by "catching" it sooner. If you want to get it on the ground quicker, you don't "catch" it as quickly, and allow the front to drop faster. It's really about Newton's 3rd Law in many ways.
If you start BACK, then when gravity pulls the front down, the only reaction is for you to follow gravity...along for the ride. I've watched a LOT of riders hit drops over the last few years, and the number one thing I see for people who get into trouble on them is that they mis-time "throwing" their hips back, and the front isn't off the end yet. Now....they've gone back, but the front is going down, and they just get pulled forward and follow it. If you start forward or at least in the middle, you have the ability to counter gravity by using your arms and body to create the opposite reaction needed to stop the front from dropping.
My observation is that this technique is based on forward body position, and thus allowing movement rearward that isn't dramatic, but even they both acknowledge that there is some rearward movement, which you see..but is slight, which is the key. By contrast, go off those drops with your hips way back, and arms straight, and what happens when the front starts to drop? You're along for the ride, because you have NO ability to adjust to anything in the air.
Bummer! Just checked the website and see you were in Minneapolis a couple days ago? Didn't see it posted anywhere local unfortunately.
10:22. “I love the question that’s speaking. And my answer is yes.” 🤔
My answer is also “yes.” 😉
My experience since your first instructional drop videos verifies that this technique works fine!
As always, this tutorial may not get the 100% approval rate, but who cares? I love the big brother "mood" but I suggest to ease a bit on the "I want to talk over you", but it is funny to see. There are too much Troll here and it tends to get into everybody, I hope that Rich won't care and go over it (but I get it, I would be pissed off). That being said, in the next drop video, I suggest to show different drops&landing and show the different "twist" to add on the technique. I say this only because I occasionally to a drop like "here", but not always. I ride well but not in the same category as the Drew's. Cheers!
Thanks Vincent, great input
When I ride with others and they wanna go all figures mid air idk, I'm like I only want to survive this 😂
I’m 34, I’ve been called a natural recently because I only have 2 year experience in MTBing. But I can say that your technique might make sense. But, your execution needs work. You both were DANGEROUSLY nose diving!
Whoa, I just watched again and you are totally right!! Thanks so much for pointing that out 👊🏻
I'd like to see a video about how to handle steep chutes
How can there be anymore debate after your 2nd "drop the hammer" video ?
That proves your technique works
His physical technique obviously works and works well. His verbal description of that technique in the earlier vid is where he went wrong. Even in this vid he states he doesn’t go back when in fact his butt does go behind the saddle. Is his butt behind the saddle because he physically slid his body back before the lip of the drop? No. It’s behind the saddle because of his arm action after takeoff. Regardless, relative to the bike his butt does “slide” behind the saddle in the air and then his center of gravity repositions correctly over the bottom bracket for the landing.
@@mrsmartypants_1 so in other words, he didn't slide his butt back, but rather he punched his bike forwards?
@@rinky_dinky It’s all relative. Bottom line is his butt/hips go well behind the seat post and bottom bracket momentarily.
It not about debate? What they does is a correct technic for the type of riding, but there are multiple types of mtb discipline out there with new comers too, the drop technic here is with one condition (speed), and its logical for them because for their type of riding or most type of riding, speed will always be in equation but if we put speed out of equation, says riding in a unknown natural terrain and there is drop right out of a tight corner, then u will need to use a different technic, the trials dropping which need you to load the rear, go into manual position and hop off, i guess this is where it gets mix up.
Great video blokes.
Thanks Stack 👊🏻
Your technique is spot on. Of course there are exceptions, but your technique is the basis that everyone needs to get off of standard drops safely. Like you said, one can add fun “on top” once your technique is sound. My 50 year old body never would have gotten safely off of drop the hammer without your coaching! Thanks, and ignore the haters!
Nice simple motion. Row down and push the front end to the landing
Do these steps work on a drop to flat ground? Great explanations and visuals guys.
I believe instead of pushing the bike downward, you would push the bike more forward allowing both wheels to land together and not front wheel first.
Good technique, it works for me after watching the previous vids, also makes you feel like a world cup downhill racer which I'm definitely not..😄
I ALWYS picture myself asa a world cup DH racer when I ride ;)
Your way to do drop it’s not only your way. It’s the Fast way !
How dare you be so rationale 😉
Thank you for the very good explanations! Hope, I'll try the 3 step technique in a correct way next time on a small drop.
Right now, I try to find a chicken line ;-)
Based on technique and the "physics" ... there should be the same 3 steps with a heavier bike (e-mtb) too? My concerns are, that there is more weight in the front and so the "bike" itself will send into the drop faster than I want.
What you describe would be against the laws of nature. All else equal, gravity pulls heavier object down at the same velocity that lighter objects fall.
not a thing.... more weight in the front... it's all relative to the geometry.... say if you have a balanced Enduro bike at 160mm... if you chucked 180mm forks and a mullet set of tires.... all the weight will be backward..... if you chucked 140mm forks on and even tires the weight would be on the front...
Thanks for this informational Video ! I love it ! But man, you interrupt him a million times!!!!!!!!
GREAT VIDEO, THANK YOU !!!!! AS FOR THE HANDLING OF ANY TROLLS OF THIS VIDEO. F#CK THEM!!! WHY ARE THEY WATCHING THE VIDEO IF THEY HAVE THE WHOLE SITUATION DOWN AND ARE WELL PASSED LEARNING THIS CONCEPT, WHY ARE THEY NOT OUT RIDING OR IF THEY COULD TEACH IT BETTER THAN THIS VIDEO , WHY ARE THEY NOT O0UT TEACHI9NG AND INSTEAD ARE TROLLING YOUR VIDEO?
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Great video as usual but Rob would had been much smoother with flats. Just saying.. 😂
I agree 😉🤣
Is the same tecnique in a hardtail?
What’s a hardtail?
Sorry, but your hips are all the way back when you leave the lip. Really doesn't matter how you get there, or if you admit that you have to get your weight back. The only simple way to explain is push the bike ahead of you with your arms off the lip. There is no reason to do a drop at all, except for fun; just ride around if you don't want the air time. Low speed on a bike exposes all weaknesses; if you can't do it at 4 mph, you have good reason not be confident.
Unfortunately the technique of the "push" vs "race" doesn't work work when there is an immediate turn after the landing. I like doing a push with a drop with speed and a long straight landing, I like sending it. I know what technique I'm going to use from the pre-ride. If there is a turn or the landing is short, I use the race.
You are basically just removing kinetic energy at the top, then staying centered as the bike rotates while extending, and rolling through.
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The information is awesome. Love that you added Rob but man you guys make me seem animated. Lol. It’s literally a race to see “who’s the driest dudes on UA-cam.”
Thats funny right there. Its like a good English Comedy sketch. Ala Monty Python.😁
Boys, you have a lot of good information in here that is bogged down by tonnes of words of caution because a bunch of a-holes are picking your videos apart. Those people are never going to go away. Ignore them. A 23 minute video had 5min of excellent information hiding in it.
Don't let those losers ruin your videos boys. Keep pumping out the great and helpful information. Don't bog it down trying to disarm the critics.
Great point!
Same old story. Big Brother throws little brother's bike off a cliff and says "It'll be alright, glad it's not my bike!"
Haha!! That's great! But...I don't think doing it with the eBike would have been the smart option, in Rob's defense. :-)
@@willbros1499 Next chance I will try it with the E bike. 👍
Im late , LOL so true !
It looks like you're going back as the bike pivots as you extend your arms. You aren't moving your body back as much as your arms extend down and slightly forward. This technique works well because you don't focus on moving back, your arms make the movement. I am with you, I'm so tired of hearing people say get back on the bike. Getting back is a reaction not an input.
“Getting back is a reaction, not an input.” This is GOLD and I’m going to hijack it…with credit going to you of course 😉
@@richdrewtherideseries it's all yours! You taught me to do my first 5 foot drop, so thank you!
I also feel like people can see the technique from two perspectives. You can see it coming from the perspective of the hips coming back/bike going forward. What I like about Rich's perspective is, it's focused on timing the creation of space in the arms to prepare for the landing. Creating space just happens to also move your center of gravity backward relative to the bikes. I feel like I'd rather be focused on my first contact rather than where my hips are relative to the bike.
you are SERIOUSLY over analysing. rather than working on you word-per-minute typing skills try riding a bicycle instead.
Nice video guys. Obviously each drop man made or not is unique. Each drop needs to be analyzed accordingly. In this vid you focused on upper body and hips. Dont forget to mention the position of the forward and rear feet. What should you be doing with the pedals to secure your landing. I can imagine Too many fails happen with bad foot position. Total body experience 😂. Thanks for the coaching.
I'm just here for the Red shoes :) Good content as always you two.
@therobdrew ghost riding a $5000 bike has to be my favorite part of this video. Oh, and Rich trying to hold back his laughter. Great instruction, per usual. Love having Rob in the mix.
Your prejudiced buddy.
I don't know, but I have a constant feeling that your'e talking about such artificial drops that are built specially to be successfully landed just go with particular speed and do nothing. But what if you have little speed and no space to get more speed? What if you have flat landing? What if it has not launch or even sharp lip, just curved down rock? I constantly see such drops on natural trails, they aren't huge, but you can't just roll off as shown on video.
If you have the situation you described, you do what needs to be done. This video is more geared towards people in situations with drops like this, that do more than they need.
The technique we described in this video doesn’t work everywhere, that’s where common sense and EXPERIENCE come into play.
Yea and everybody is wrong except you. You are world champion of being right.
I agree, send me my damn jersey
Thanks guys. I have 2 questions: 1. what do you do if you can't get enough speed, and 2. how do you adjust your arms and body if the ramp leading to the drop is downhill, because I feel I am pushing on handlebars too much. Thanks
Don’t leave Rob. 😁 love the chemistry between you too. More videos with Rob please. 😊
what?? they are both really fkn annoying. its the folks on $8000 bikes that watch these crappy videos.
@@8iamretarded8 WHOA!!!! Don't let everyone in our secret ;)
@@richdrewtherideseries sorry not both annoying but my point about this all gear no idea - and these idiots look down on me if im riding hardtail (cost 4000 uk sterling btw) or 120mm trail fs.
@@8iamretarded8 Tell is how you really feel.
I agree Adrian, just keep it between us 😉. I guess we’re appealing because we both have garages full of $8,000 bikes. Good thing we didn’t have to pay for them 🤷🏻♂️
Just finished popping my popcorn 🍿 and now waiting for the trolls to show up to the comment section!
Great content as always Rich & Rob!
these guys are milking youtube. almost appears they make mtb more terrifying and conplex than it actually is in a real mellowdramatic way. ride bike x1000 is the way to progress
@@8iamretarded8 You're on to us Adrian! All I can ask is that you keep it between us so the milking can continue. It's afforded me a handsome living and I've gotten VERY used to it.
@@richdrewtherideseries keep up the good work but you could still make the same great content but also propel riders further
Folks keep saying the spice or salt or fire is gonna come. Maybe that's me. I'm mixed. Learned a lot from the video. Yay. The provocative title "You Are Doing Drops ALL WRONG" is an agitprop stick in the eye, followed by "don't misunderstand us" or "don't freeze frame this or that - just listen!" C'mon, you can't flame with that title and then expect kid gloves while arguing with your viewers the whole time. That said its a journey and props for the doses of humility in the middle. Keep it up.
Indeed!
Great technique for rolling off of a flat wooden ramp onto a uniform downslope. Not so much for a real trail where you can't always hit the ideal speed, the takeoff is not level and smooth, or the landing zone is short or has hazards. In the real world, a slight pop or hop as described in other tutorials (by very credible and talented riders) is going to save you from a hard crash. Fine if you don't want to teach it here, but it is an essential skill for trail riding.
Ok, thank you 👊🏻
I agree with everything you guys are saying. One of the things about this (these) videos is the actual drop itself. Most of the videos are all on man made, slope drops. No weird entry. No sketchy gap. Nothing to flat. If the trail you are on has a tight corner where exit is say 3-5mph and a (for example) simple 4' to flat , no gap, drop. How would you handle that? THIS is what is always lacking with these how to videos. Change the drop and the technique changes too.
Exactly!
So how would you tackle something like this, have a similar one on my home trail and I´ve yet to come up with a technique that feels safe. This is a great point btw.
@@andrescifuentes5212 I have followed the Lee McCormack way of handling this kind of drop by “popping” the drop right at the edge of the drop. Unload the bike, compress the suspension and pop up 4-8” right before the drop. That way, your bike will have both tires come off the drop at the same time, so the back tire won’t get hung up. When in the air, adjust the bars to the appropriate angle for the landing.
@@Randy_Johnson ...And the counter to that is, now you're interjected another variable, which in my opinion, is the number one way to get hurt if you're an inexperienced rider on flat pedals. SLIPPING A PEDAL. If you hop slightly more than the bike rebounds, and your feet leave the pedals, and it's a 10' drop....it's going to be a bad day. If you're an experienced rider and you've "popped" or "hopped" thousands of times, then you probably have a feel for the timing and it will be fine, and at times depending on the run up, and the need to "clear" something on the landing, it may be the only viable option.
If you're a fairly new rider, I think hopping or popping is actually one of the worst techniques, because you are introducing another variable to the equation that can have a catastrophic effect.
@@willbros1499 Agreed. Hopping and popping are definitely for the more experienced riders. Inexperienced riders should only be doing small drops. My comments were for the more experienced riders. I was hoping Rich Drew would have an answer for larger drops that have more difficult and slower run-ins and flat landings.
I like yours and Lee McCormack's the best , both very similar but yours seem to be more forward leaning
I think Lee commented on that in his video.
Lee is a legend!
I’m a beginner in mtb and watched many videos on how tos! Saw and watched your vid about this drops topic, at first I was a bit worried that I might hurt myself. So I tried it in small drops for many times just to get into the proper form and landing. After I get used to it I was able to hit bigger steeper drops. Thank you for sharing this. A huge help for me. Boosted my confidence and conquered my fears. Btw I’m using HT too. Can’t wait to get a full sus in the future. :)
I love to hear this Raymund! Keep it up and let me know when you get that full sus!
stop watching how tos and go ride the damn bike.!!!!!!! YT great for advice but you cant shortcut progression by watching hours of youtube. got a mate talks a good game cant ride for shit but seen 1000s youtube videos.
@@8iamretarded8 Wait, he's watched 1000's of YT videos???? Well damnit, he's an expert... at watching YT vids!
@@richdrewtherideseries hes expertly tried talking me through double-black diamond (didnt need the advice tbh) root-chutes in uk. hes good for something, tho he cant ride even the chicken-line detour
Rob ‘Heisenberg’ Drew: “I’m the one that drops!”
Still loving your videos Rich, this one really helps me. Pay no attention to the haters.
Have you two been sued for some instructions that you gave in the past? It seems like you have more disclaimers coming out of your mouths, compared to actual instructions/information.
Having said that, I like your instructions.
Take care.
On the advice of council, I decline to answer.
Drops are not fun? Like....since when? Drops are not a required part of mountain biking. If you don't enjoy doing them, don't do them!
I love doing drops. I did them on my BMX bike when I was younger off loading docks.....for fun!
Around 10:00, you're talking about the "right speed" to approach a drop (and not hop before it). But in certain circumstances, you can't get to that ideal speed you need to just fly off a drop, like there's no run-in, or the drop is just after a turn, or whatever. So, in some cases, hopping at the lip of the drop CAN be useful, especially if you don't have the speed.
no doubt! there's a time and place for sure but if not timed or done perfect, the outcome is "no bueno" hence Rob and Rich's point about different drops and "if there's something in front of the drop"...
@@bryanmyers4970 You must be a genius Bryan!! So crazy to me that it gets lost in translation even though we specifically state it.
I keep telling myself, friends, and students that I'm a genius!! Problem is that these 8th graders can see straight through that claim 😂
Hey Drew.
Thanks for continuing the conversation on drops.
What I'm learning is drops are a continuum and it's not something most people can just learn by spending a couple minutes watching a video. It something requires thought and practice and reflection and someone to tell what you're actually doing.
And you words are helping me get there.
Well said!!
also one thing very helpful on drops and jumps is to have a tow from someone that does that feature good ....its helped me on some big jumps that i didn't think i could do but did on first tow in i got from kid who shreds...
I learn more on how to coach from these. Real important the kids I coach come back safe and I owe a lot to the TRS how tos! Rob’s “you got to see the fear in their eyes” is exactly my approach! Keep em coming!
He's good! I love that you get some coaching take aways from the vids!
I like the minimal almost 60 year point of view for drops.
I loaded the slingshot went of a jump and broke 9 ribs
Ouch!! Bummed to hear about the ribs.
Thanks for another great video! Love to see Rob on the spot! I would like to see your insights on drop to a flat.
Coming soon Tiago!
All great info, but this 8 minute video contains 15 minutes of “don’t you know who I (think) I am?” that is both a turnoff and embarrassing for two guys that should know better. The technical know-how isn’t in question, but the I, I, I, gets really old, really fast. Your riding skills game is solid: match that level with your on-camera professionalism and you’ll get a lot more followers.
Great input Collyer, thanks 👊🏻
Two dads just buying time talk alot just so they can extend being outside rather than home with their wife.
Spoken like a woman who needs to treat her husband better!
Please do another video on drops to flat. I need a visual! Thanks guys!
Hey Charles! Already working on it dude! Hope to have something for you soon
no you need to practice lazy. maybe turn off the computer and ride the bike??
@@8iamretarded8 Eazy Adrian, I need more people to watch these vids so I can buy more $5,000 bikes! Wait, I don't actually have to pay for the bikes since I make these videos ;)
@@richdrewtherideseries lol I thumb up btw
You and your helper dude made me cringe like 3 times, you guys have the chemistry of a single celled organism. He was def annoying you with the constant interruptions.
WHAT?!? We only made you cringe three times?? I guess we need to step up our game…or I need to find a new helper dude 🤔. HOWEVER, I’m pretty excited that we accomplished our goal of coming across as a single cell organism. I don’t think enough people understand how difficult it is to curate chemistry like that. So I’ll end with YOU’RE WELCOME 👊🏻
Don't let the dipshits that can't think for themselves decide how you make videos. Anyone that takes everything you say literally probably should not even consider getting on a bike! Keep up the great work, I've taken loads from your videos which have helped loads, and in no way shape or form hold you accountable for my mistakes.
thanks Mark! It's always great to get feedback like this!
@@richdrewtherideseries 👌
First 11 minutes are pointless
I agree. Heck, I think all of the minutes are pointless.
I personally prefer to stay a bit farther back on drops so I can put down the bike where I want on the landing. I lift slightly at the lip and staying level. One my back tire leaves the lip I adjust for the landing. Works well for landing to flat or to an actual landing for me. I find that if I do the method shown here I just nose dive and land front heavy.
On all their examples, i've noticed they come in on the front more than an even flat landing. It isn't too much, and with the correct setup on the suspension they are now blowing through all the suspension, but this is one of my concerns. I think it would be worse if their landings were flat, not on a slope too, or the drops were much bigger (though on one of his previous videos Rich did show it on a really huge drop, and it was fine). I just wonder if there is more adjusting as an experienced rider than the explanation gives.. And also is this the best and safest technique to teach a new rider?
I learned, and teach the method used by PMBI (Professional mountain Bike Instructors Assn. from Whistler - and I'm an instructor in Australia), which is a slight compression to unweight the bike, not to actually hop, then lead/poke (or guide) the front down in to the landing. It works similarly, but not as extreme as their method. But it also allows for occasions where you need to compress more (or do a full bunny hop) to get more distance (rider speed or trail speed may be a bit low for the feature, it really depends), and as you get to a higher speed, you don't need pretty much any compression at all, just to lead the front down to match the landing, which is closer to their technique... As they said at the start, it is a more race technique, but it really relies on being confident at matching the right speed for the trail and the drop, which is a fairly advance thing. Kids want to do drops and huck off things....
@@JasonTankard ur suppose to land lil nose first on most landings...
@@weathdone I agree a little nose or closer to even is good, but they are coming in pretty nose heavy, not where they are about to go otb, but still looks like quite a lot of heavy nose, and on a bigger drop that doesn't seem very ideal.
This is UA-cam gold. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻
My pleasure, glad you liked it!
I enjoyed your instructional video and agree with it completely! There is however one issue when you are NOT riding in a bike park (with perfect drops) and you don't have a chance to check out every feature before you ride it (Squamish has so many unsanctioned trails that friends love to share!) and unfortunately, you end up going a little too slow over small drops. It has been my experience that a little preloading will always ensure that both wheels will land on the ground, usually at the same time (body position dependent, of course) allowing one to keep your speed and not get tossed. Keep up the great work guys!
thanks solaris! I doubt there are many people watching these videos that ride in Squamish ;)
When I come to Bentonville can I hire you for a session?
Of course! Just visit the website
therideseriesmtb.com/private-instruction/
Hoping to move to NWA in 2023 and at that point likely to add a non-XC bike with a dropper, less aggressive geometry, etc...
I've hit drops into sketchy landing zones during XC/marathon races without even thinking about it but pass on those drops at SP every time I visit NWA. Can't seem to shut off the racer mentality of drops as necessary evil. Grew up racing BMX in 80's and it was all about keeping power to the ground - maybe float something if it made sense for speed/flow but less air = more speed for the most part.
The video are very god, but you Toc very much 👍
I agree…on both accounts
talk and talk and talk and talk and talk and talk
and talk and talk and talk and…
If you drop the front off these baby drops its fine you do this on big ones and the front hits first you will bottom out the forks and blow off the track. Gotta land level to the down slope and basically this video is summed up in a few words. Drop at the right speed to get to where you need to go. You could drop these sitting backwards.
Thanks for the efforts, for free lessons! Two legitimate coaches .
Great relationship and healthy discussions. Mtb community should be helping one another to progress🤙
So you basically just ride off the end crouched low and extend your arms! I wish there were such easy progressive drops near where I live! All decent bike parks should have practice sections like this.
Basically 🤷🏻♂️. It certainly makes it easier when the drops are progressive like this. We’re gonna make a vid with flat landings soon.
At 13:36 your hips were back.
Haha ;)
@@richdrewtherideseries ;) Sorry, couldn't help myself.
Ok so I tried your technique today on the exact same place you filmed.
Usually I do a pump and hop technique which is usually sketchy though exhilarating. I tried your technique and I was surprised at the outcome.
Wow how much more stable and *boring* your technique is, but one thing I can say is that small drop has become a nothing burger. It’s almost like rolling off a curb!
Thanks for introducing this style, definitely a new arrow in the quiver!
I’m part of the send it crowd but after trying this I’m hooked. I don’t get back but I do preload and *pop* but I’m going to do drops like this for a while and see how I like it.
I recommended your technique to riders today who looked like they were about to crush collar bones and one lad loved it.
Great contribution!
It makes sense to me. your hips may LOOK like they are back on a drop, but with the front of the bike down, you are still over the center of the bike ready to absorb the impact. Thanks, that helps me a ton. I can't manual, and trying to jump the bike didn't work. This is much easier to at least visualize.
Glad this helped Doug. Don’t worry, that manual will come eventually 👊🏻
Watched the video and did my first drop 3ft very confidently. This advice is solid
Bro, my brother and I just applied the techniques you implemented, feels so much better and natural...we've been doin it all wrong after all this time...TY Drew bros!!!
HECK YEAH!! Love to hear this 👊🏻
bollocks.
😂 for me, “if yhe situation is like this” the Drop Doesn’t Exist, you can ride it off straight out like you would normally on dip. Enough speed and stay neutral and attack position, the landing has the projectile generated from the wooden feature.
I'd hate Rob's bike on the landing. That thing just keeps bouncing. Thanks for the video, though. I used to do the manual version, but it felt pretty sketch on bigger stuff. I will try this at my local park on the weekend.
Everyone is going to have a technique, and almost everyone is going to have an opinion about it. Truth is that every rider has to determine the necessary motor skills to accomplish the task at hand within the circumstances at the time. At the end of the day right is usually safely riding away in a position to navigate the next challenge, wrong, however does not. You learn that from experience. Just my opinion.
I haven't read all of the comments yet, but I really like this one. I contend that repetition is the key, and that people need to find a small drop...a curb, and learn the body positions to land with both wheels flat. Starting small teaches what you need to do with your body position to get off the end of the drop. Then from there, you just make small progressive steps in the height of the drop. There are variations of almost everything in sports...watch the top Pro's golf swings, tennis serves, or how pitchers throw a baseball. A "One Size Fits All" technique is not true in virtually any other sport, so why would this be different?
This idea that you "just send it," is how a LOT of riders here in NWA get injured. They "make it" out of sheer luck, and mistake that for possessing that skillset. Then one tiny thing goes awry, and they don't make it, and the result is the paddy wagon comes to haul them off.
yes .motor skills. cant get motor skills watching youtube.