Don't Get Stranded on Your Spyder!!! - A Couple Tips! | TechTalk
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A couple rants over what I see happening way too often to unsuspecting Spyder owners. Don’t get talked into cheap accessories or aftermarket replacement parts, such as batteries, etc...
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Whoa, thank you for the great advice. I'm sure the little custom shops would't dare tell me things like you have.
I know this blog was a few months ago but I just wanted to comment about the LED lights. I have lights from one of the companies Shawn mentioned here. 2 of the lights shorted out and sent me into limp home mode. Disconnected them and replaced the fuses and now all is well again. Wish I had seen this before I purchased and installed them.
Thank you for the intel. I had no idea. I was bound and determine to get lots of those lights for my F3. I appreciate your rant, You are a life saver to me. Thanks for the heads up on batteries, too. I thank you. Keep talking, you are saving me and others much sorrow.
Great advice. If you really feel you need to look more visible, just put some high-viz on the rear somewhere. Great advice about the battery, too. In other words, put OE parts on Spyders.
I installed led turn signals on front fenders from Tric LED, no issues
Those are fine as they’re running off a simple 12v system, no CANbus involved…
Thanks for watching and commenting!! 👍
Hey Shawn, My Name is Billy from Australia, I just would like to say thankyou for all your wonderful video's. I have never ridden a Can-Am Spyder, but your Video's have inspired me to purchase a Can-Am RT Limited, I take ownership of it on September 11th 2015. I am very much looking forward to riding my new bike. After I pick it up from the Dealership I will be riding it 4,000 kilometres back to my home town, wow what an adventure it's going to be. Anyway keep those Video's coming they are fantastic and have lots of information for people like me that know nothing about Spyders.Stay safe my friend :-)Regards,BillyDarwin City (Australia)
Absolutely agree! I had to pull out all kinds of that from my used Spyder.
First spyders from 2008 till The F3 uses a glas mat battery that means they are sealed at the factory Yeasa battery 24 AH
The Yuasa YTX24HL-BS AGM batteries supplied by BRP come filled, sealed and charged (though should be tested and/or charged before installation), otherwise the same battery purchased elsewhere comes with the specific acid pack that is filled and sealed by the end user. Very important to follow the included instructions for filling and charging the new battery..!
Thanks Coy!! 👍
Hmmm, I have added LED strips myself like that and never had a single issue. Not for riding lights and brake lights anyway. Turn signals can be a problem though as you can get a fast blink. But with that said never had VCM errors or anything! I have to assume that specific LED strip that was added to the trunk lid shorted or had some load problem, or whoever wired it screwed up on doing so. MAN MANY Spyder owners have added the HMT trunk brake light and the strips you show in the video to the back end. All of them tap into the existing light harness. Oh and Shawn just to clarify, they do not have chips in them to fool the Can-Buss. They are just lights. But like anything if you over load or under load the light circuits, you can have issues I agree 100%. The Spyder monitors that stuff and reports errors. This is more to tell you that you have a light out e.g. like a fast blink on the turn signal. So again that light she added, which by the way I have never seen sold as a after market add-on, obviously was too much for the Spyder. It would be interesting to know where she got that light strip from and why it caused VCM errors. My guess was off the shelf like Auto Zone or something. I suspect it was a loading issue with that light strip.
cool, that's is like a motorcycle/ power sports shopping plaza. That's looks like a cool place to work.
Great advice Shawn, what if you connect the led to the USB port? I am learning a TON of info from your Very helpful videos, Keep up the great work, Cheers!
Shawn, glad you could help them. They have a long trip ahead of them. It is a small world, huh.
Lee Ann Green - I was more than happy to get them up and going again. I'm so glad that I ran into them when I was leaving, as I may have never known the story... How cool!
You guys are awesome, thanks!
If you are gonna put an LED lighting system on your bike, consider hooking them up to a separate battery in your Frunk…
"Woah woah there range rover, you've got a history, lets not start with spyders now..." - Bahaha, that gave me a good chuckle.
***** - That just kinda rolled off... I didn't notice I said that out loud till proofing in on UA-cam before turning it public. I was kinda hoping I wouldn't get heat from that! But when my wife asked me what the heck that meant, I figured most wouldn't catch that...
Thanks for watching!
7 yrs already? Wow!
Anther great video Shawn I have been holding off adding anything electrical to my2013 RT for the very reasons you have stated and listening to other Spyder owners.
Everyone of the has had an issue with these add-ons.
This is an old video, but if you see this... With CANBUS, if you wired direct to the battery, not tapping into an existing circuit, would you be o.k. then? As in power direct from the battery as a totally separate circuit with relays and switches not involving the rest of the factory circuits?
This is good info, Thanks Mr. Smoak. keep up the good info.
Don't Get Stranded on Your Spyder!!! - A Couple Tips! | TechTalk
Hey thank you for that information about the led lights because I was going to do that to my bike
I really appreciate your help. I got a 2014 RT base
Thanks for the info, I might buy a Spyder, good to know.
ledglow pods have their own wiring harness, not tapping into any wires just hook up to battery.
Thx for the info, and yeah, these things are more like a car... if there's a problem, 'ya gotta take it into a dealer. And definitely not good when folks are making videos titled "Don't Get Stranded on Your Spyder!!!"
No cheap aftermarket parade float lighting kits = Zero problems with Spyder’s...
Thanks!!
I was just going to install the back light like you showed also an led flag. So your saying it is best not to put these on the can-am. These were purchased from big bike parts.
So adding the USB/12v adapter you see on the handle bars of many spyders are probably also questionable? This video is 7 yrs old and I have seen can am add an accessory adaptor for such mods.
Not as long as you tap into the bike's 12v system. Make sure you avoid the CANbus system..! Many kits made for the Spyder's have proper wiring and instructions for installing those type adapters, and are quite safe if done correctly.
Thanks Mark!! 👍
I was just planning on putting leds on my 2013 ST I'm sure not doing it now... Thank you
Are you talking specifically about LED lights or everything? I want to plug a GPS or CarPlay system into my Spyder?
hi Shawn. taking delivery of a 2014 sse 990 Spyder tomorrow - will be using an Optimate 3 battery conditioner all the time ehen its not in use - I believe this is ok ? will run a permanent link from the battery to the Optimate which I disconnect when removing trike from gsrsge. ( big believer in 12v conditioners ). Your view please ....
If you had the BRP BUDS or some other BRP diagnostic tool , could you make changes in the ECM to allow for additional lighting? Not sure if I'm asking this correctly, just studying about the Can Am Spyders assets and shortcomings before buying.
hi Shawn.....im in Australia....I had to swap out a long block on 2012rtltd....bike will not start...buds fault is P280A and C1183.....will these known fault codes stop the bike from starting.,,,Plenty crank amps in battery....plenty spark on leads.....plenty fuel....she just wont fire
The C1183 Pillion Seat Sensor will put you in a limp mode if you attempt to ride it, but no effect on the engine running. The P280A Shift Angle Sensor code will have to be calibrated with BUDS before riding as well, but the engine has to be running to set it, and will not prevent starting.
Is the fuel pressure building correctly? You can run the fuel pump with BUDS. Do you hear the injectors clicking when firing them through BUDS? When testing spark through BUDS, is the correct coil/spark plug firing during test? Compression, fuel and correctly timed spark makes them go vroom vroom… Lol
Hope you get it sorted out, I know that can be very frustrating!
Good Luck! Thanks!! 👍
When I get my spyder! The only thing I would add is a trailer harness! Thru research I understand since Can Am sells a trailer! They also have a factory trailer harness! Is that true?
I am a new rider. I have a 2018 Can Am Spyder and need recommendation of what is the best lighting to be seen at night. I have nothing except the factory but I would imagine I need some lighting. Thank you for the advice.
Enjoyed the video Shawn. I would really appreciate your view. I am studying a ad for a 2012 Spyder RT SE5 model, for sale by owner. New rear tire and bearings, new brakes front and rear, complete service by a Can Am dealer in April 2018. At a cost of $1,750.00 Canadian. It has 30,400 KM. Mostly all blue in color. Owner is asking $17,500.00 Canadian. A good deal? Or would you go for a newer pre owned model? As this model year has the smaller and less smooth engine, as compared to the newer models, correct? If so starting at what model year would you chose?Thank You Shawn.
Thanks for the excellent advice
I liked those rants. Is it the same for Rykers?
Will using a Back OFF Wig Wag with your brake lights cause problems?
So I shouldn't put those LED lights on the rear view mirrors and hook them up to the blinker system? I have a 2013 Can Am RT
That’s why there is a customer accessory system
what is the best helmet communication system that's not way over priced the one you are recording through sounds really great.
so what about the fog lights and sound system...will that drain the bike
How about the leds onn the front fenders for signal lights
I changed my tag light when I removed the rear fender. Could that put me in Limp Mode? 2009 Roadster
What about hooking up a trailer freedom Trailer or something
Great videos but when you enter the Hwy it's up to you to adjust your speed to go ahead of traffic or behind. Not the traffic adjusting there speed for you......
I can't speak for other states but in MN unless there is a yield sign for on ramp traffic it is a shared responsibility to ensure a safe merge. The traffic getting on should be looking in mirrors and over shoulder to gauge traffic on hwy AND traffic on hwy should make room for traffic getting on if possible. Got this directly from a veteran insurance crash investigator/adjuster. Also, I've got over 1.5 million miles as a truck driver.
Either way, everyone has incentive to not get in a wreck. Drive/ride safe.
Hey Shawn, I purchased some Cirro LED turn signal lights for my 883 Iron. Do I need to be concerned with those lights? Thank you for your wealth of knowledge and sharing with us.
If your Iron is a 2013 or older, you’re fine. If you’re 2014 or newer, it’s a CANbus system and you’ll need to follow their instructions closely about tapping into the CANbus system...
Thanks for watching and commenting Doug!
Shawn Smoak its a 2018 iron
What is your opinion on tail light modulators? Could there be a potential problem installing one on any Spyder models? I'd appreciate any input you have on this matter.
Hello buddy that was interesting stuff would my 2010 GSX have that kind of wiring there's a ton of it under my seat ?
Graham Calvert - I don't think Suzuki has switched over to the CANbus system yet, but it's surely coming...
Thanks Graham!
Thanks Shawn interesting subject enjoy your work vlogs always something different
I own a 18 wheeler u don’t go cheap on parts they will leave you stranded.Come how much does a brb battery cost
When I eventually get mine (F3 Limited) I need to aadd a ham radio to it - anything to watch for when I connect it power-wise ?
I'm looking into getting a ryker. I see all the led accessories and was wondering if it was pulling too much from the battery
Do you think the cambus system is to help prevent after market accessories working properly & encourage the consumer buying oem parts? My indian throws up the occasional fault code for no known reason, I'm really not a fan of it.
I was told from a Polaris tech if I want to upgrade to oem led lights I would have to get a new vcm! As a vcm flash was not possible, not very forward thinking
barebones2004 - The CANbus system is actually a very robust and reliable system, and has nothing to do with accessory kits. The problems arise from accessories that were never intended for the bike, being forced in. If not done properly, and with quality components, fault codes can be thrown. Some codes that the system may see as a severe threat to your safety, which puts the bike into a Limp Home mode. If your Indian is throwing codes, they are being recorded and can be retrieved to find the source of the problem.
We recently had a customer with a 2014 Indian that wanted his unit reflashed for LED install, but there was some kind of issue... I wasn't the tech working on the unit, so I'm not sure what the issue was, but I did hear something about it not being able to be reflashed...
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Thanks Shawn. Was thinking about doing that but not now. I have a after market alarm should I install that?
Jeff Blackmore - Just be careful where you purchase the kits from. Make sure they are from a reputable manufacture. We have a local guy that installs a lot of lighting kits for Spyder owners, and I think he only uses LED kits from Custom Dynamics. I've never had a customer have an issue with his work or the kits he uses.
Thanks Jeff!
Shawn Smoak Thanks for all you do! I have learned a great deal from your channel. A Couple questions: 1. What is it about Custom Dynamics that makes them ok? Is it that their LED's are better quality? The don't use a module of any kind to "trick" the CAN bus, they just plug right in. I have turn signals still in the box - debating whether to send back.
2. I also pulled a Signal Dynamics Back Off XP module off my old cruiser, thinking I could use it on the F3 - debating there also any advice? I do this to be seen along w/hi-vis gear. I am certain NJ/NYC metro drivers are in the running for the nation's worst!
Hi Shawn could this be the reason for my code c006c 2019 can am ryker rally 900??
Another very informative video.
I don't see how people can afford an expensive bike as a spyder is and them put knock off junk like batteries and lights.like I've said before there all but perfect the way they come from the factory.
Personalise it??
What makes it personal is you own it,love it,wash it and keep it maintained.
There awesome just the way they are.
Thanks Shaun
Daniel Danforth - I've never been a big fan of adding a bunch of cheesy accessories to bikes either. For one, I always end up being the one trying to sort the mess out when they fail or cause something else to fail... I love a very reliable mostly stock bike! Much more fun to ride when they're not in the shop all the time. This is the kind of thing I see way too often: ua-cam.com/video/U-EinQRXt68/v-deo.html
Thanks Daniel!
Shawn Smoak wow that dude went way overboard with crap he didn't need.bikes come with what ya need.trouble starts when ya start putting the add on after market stuff on like you said.people just can't be happy with what they bought.once I get my spyder it will have whatever I want on it before I take it home.and if I want something later on.it will go back to the place I buy it.i am not doing anything but ride it and enjoy it like I'm suppose to.
Thanks for the reply and the video.very informative.
I just noticed the spyder RT made a noise when you where reversing to park it. My RS does the same. Could you tell me what that could be? should I have it checked or is this normal whne they get a bit of age on them? Mine is a 2011 model RS.
southfang78 - The rear brake pads on the pre-2013 Spyder (BRP went to Brembo brakes in 2013) fit quite loosely in the rear caliper and guide pins. Because of this the pads wear ever so slightly uneven under forward braking. When you back up, the pads are going against the wear and they vibrate at a high frequency, making that noise. It doesn't hurt anything, it's just annoying or maybe embarrassing...
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Shawn Smoak Thx for the info. I think I can live with it, as long as its not anything damaged. :) Love you videos. Keep em coming. :)
Do you have a video about what audio gear you use, ie cam, mic for your videos etc?
Hi Shawn, is a 2010 BRP trailer compatible to the 2014 wire system?
Does that also apply to the LED light strips that one sees on the fenders of 2013 and earlier Spyders?
+Thomas Nessman - The fender strip lights are fine, as they are tapping into the fender running lights, and front signals if set to flash. Those are 12v not CANbus circuits...
Thanks for watching Thomas!
What about the light kit sold at the dealer parts Dept are them any good
thanks for the tip! good to know these things
Saw this again a year later. The lights are NOT on the can-bus! There is no chip or processors in the tail or turn signal lights period! But like anything if you do not wire things correctly the ECM can pick up issues. I do not know how this break light was wired but after adding my own trunk lid break light strips on more than one spyder, I can tell you this is not an issue if done correctly. Sorry Shawn I love you buddy but you are incorrect the lights are on the can-bus.
my bike stays in limp home mode. the dealership said it's nothing wrong it. any help
This happed to me and will not even allow me 2 use mode to turn on.
Parade float! great video as always :)
Renaissance G if
what's a good brand for led headlights to use?
so NO AFTERMARKET LEDS
My brain is cooking in this heat. HA HA
We’re trying to figure out how to get our spyder out of limp mode. Nobody cares about that lady or where she was headed or any other thing. Just say how to get the thing out of limp mode
Infor light came on after i changed the battery
Not knowing what year and model you have, I take some guesses. 2013 and older, you need to make sure the small ground wire got re-installed with the main ground cable (they fall out of sight during battery swap), as this can cause all kinds of system issues. 2008~2019 make sure that any accessory or charger wires are not between the battery posts and main battery cables. The battery terminals must be tight, like 10Nm tight!!! Of course the terminals and cables should be clean and dielectric grease used.
Thanks Steve!
How do you get light to reset?
There is no reset procedure, the warning light simply goes away once the issue is no longer an active issue. All codes are recorded and stored on the bikes ECM, weather active or inactive, but only a dealer can retrieve those for you...
Thanks Steve!
what about ground afexs
So it sound like you have to buy their battey.
What's wrong with that?