I've got my bike and I'm happy with it, but actually if you think of that scooter as a replacement for a car for shorter journeys then it really is so obviously good. Now here in the Netherlands space to use such a vehicle is not a big problem, but if the UK could just get its head around cleaner transport, converting some roads to cycle and scooter routes, this could be a great part of the plan.
They will still require all the trappings of non-electric scooters/mopeds. So, people have to get their heads around that. These are not a regulation-free form of transport.
@@AtheistEve I see them as akin to the electric bikes. They need categorisation and regulations. The problem for the UK seems to be a reluctance to move from "the car is the King of the road" mentality towards a greener attitude where the car is just one option and not even the best option for short journeys.
@@NickAskew The best we can hope for is for all the tax, insurance and MOTs to be set at a lower rate because of local emissions. But, if it’s anything like the electric car situation, the government will just terminate all incentives before the benefits can be fully felt.
It's not the scooters that are the problem, it's the way some people use them. As a wheelchair user, I have already had someone run into me and had another near miss. So not a big fan.
This applies to all modes of transport. Some people will operate them badly and cause collisions. Bikes/cars/even other wheelchairs occaisionally. And yes we want to discourage that by all of: enforcement of the rules, sensible rules in the first place, and infrastructure that keeps the three speeds of foot (0-4mph, bike(5-15mph) and car(20-60mph) segregated as much as possible.
You noted as a feature the foot pads....personally, I would prefer a larger deck to place my feet where I want them. One foot in front of the other would give you greater control against getting launched over the handlebars if you encounter an obstacle, and potentially more comfort. Other than that, it looks like a very nice vehicle!
Yeah the legal status of scooters is a strange one really. They're not explicitely banned, they're not allowed due to the wording of vehicle/tax/insurance laws which would be easy to fix with an exception. I loved your point that the law is holding back innovation and safety on these vehicles because who wants to buy expensive quality if it might be taken off you? On the point about fires. You didn't mention that most scooter fires happen indoors when charging. I follow a number of fire service accounts and they all have the same warnings against the batteries in these scooters burning people's houses down. I assume more expensive, higher quality batteries are the answer but still, that's another risk rn.
Most of the fires are caused by the incorrect charger being used, and the thing is left on charge all night! The better e-devices have a battery monitor built-in that turns the power down to a trickle, or completely off, when the battery nears full, or if the wrong charger is plugged in.
They could also get round the battery fire issue by bringing in some protectionism around e-scooters production. Make all of them in the UK with required safety standards.
I see few problems with e-scooters. They are too slow for traffic, and too fast for side walks. You can fix one of those and make a fast e-scooter but then it will be even more unsuitable for use on side walks. For example in Poland there was a big public outcry after a chain of accidents involving e-scooters ramming into people on sidewalks, and kids riding them very unsafely. The other thing is the batteries. They are quite substantial. A big battery is a big fire hazard. I wince when I hear about people charging their e-bike or e-scooters in their living rooms or bedrooms. If that thing goes into flames your place will burn to the ground. That is also the reason why you cannot take it into a tube (and why you are limited to 100kWh batteries on airplanes). The risk of fire is small for good quality products, but if we are talking about mass adoption that risk spreads over a lot of people and some accidents bound to happen. Discussing how to charge EVs safely should be an important topic. I would never consider buying an e-bike, e-scooter or other small EV with a battery that is build in and not easily removable for charging. If the battery is removable you can more easily find a safe charging solution: bat-safe box (double walled metal box, with venting holes) or a good quality battery-bag (special non-flammable kevlar bag).
@@t.terrell7037 regular bicycles are quite safe, foldable ones are compact enough to take into public transport. No batteries, no worries. They are also fast and stable enough to be used on roads safely. E-scorers aren't bad, but I don't think their place is on the sidewalk or the road. They should be used on cycle paths. As I mentioned before, charging big batteries indoors makes me nervous. I might be paranoid about it but I think people do no take into consideration how dangerous those batteries are. I don't hear enough about having a safe charging spot outside or at least a proper safe charging box in videos about micro EVs. Other option is to buy something that uses LiFe batteries. Those are less fragile and don't go in flames. The drawback is less power density, I think they only hold half the capacity per unit of weight compared to LiIon batteries.
Make sure when buying an e-scooter that you start off slow for the first few weeks, either with a slow scooter like this, or if you buy a higher performance scooter then still stay under 20mph (12kph) for a few weeks until you are fully comfortable with it. I think the reason there were so many accidents when rental scooters became a thing was because people assumed they knew how to ride one, and yeah they aren't hard, but when a challenging situation presents itself if you don't have a bit of experience you can panic and crash just like a new bike rider. It's best if that happens at a speed that you can jump off and run rather than at higher speeds. Do lots of research, not all scooters are created equal, and some are downright useless. Make sure the scooter you buy meets your commuting (or play) needs. Realize that websites exaggerate the speed and especially the range of the scooter. Normally you will only get about 60% of the stated range under real world conditions. Make sure you get a scooter that matches your commute and can handle your body weight. If you have hills on your commute that's a huge consideration, and it's going to massively impact which scooter you buy as not all scooters can handle hills, while others could practically climb a wall if the wheels would stick to it. Realize that affiliate reviewers are paid to sell scooters. There's nothing wrong with that, but treat affiliate reviews as you would a car salesman. Great for facts, but be careful of the sunshine on your bottom.
Your on the money Jack!! The efficiency of travelling across London on electric skateboards using the protected cycle lanes is unbelievable. Yet it's probably more illegal than legal!! We wanted to take the skateboards to Paris for a fencing tournament, but Eurostar were scared of the batteries. Surely, a fire resistant compartment (happy to pay extra) would mitigate this small risk! They would have no issues with a mobility scooter or electric bike! That scooter looks great value. Unfortunately, if there's a risk of it being confiscated by the police, the cheaper option is more compelling!! The potential to cut down on my car journeys (currently combustion) or avoid city centres is compelling! I just wish parliament would do a days work!!
If these we legal on the road, I could drop it into the boot of my car and have it available to do last mile journeys in larger congested towns. That’s much easier than having to fold the seats down to make room for a bicycle.
Just went from a Segway ES scooter to Apollo Air and I've been amazed at the subtle design differences and how much they improve quality of ride. You guys should have the most fun with micromobility
It's not a ped though. Its power output exceeds a legal e bike (that's another topic altogether!) So it's really a motorbike. It's not the fine that's the issue but the points and 5+ years of impacting your car insurance for riding a motorbike with no insurance. Add on the optional points for unlicenced vehicle, no safety gear, non type rated etc.
@@djtaylorutube For its speed it should be EU moped class (45 km/h max) but UK is not in EU anymore so I guess they have to make up their own mind about what it is.
only issue i can see with this is the round tube going down the centre. should make it rectangle and flat, slightly wider middle to fit all the electronics and battery and can still have the sides fold up if needed for storage. this would allow for movement on the scooter and ability to change position rather than staying in one set stance. would be much safer for rider too.
Too many inexperienced road users on the scooters is the main issue for me, they take far too many chances on the road and lot of them do not wear helmets, lights etc
The scooter itself is not dangerous if ridden responsibly but, let's face it, there are a lot of people out there using them with no road sense/awareness, and often a lack of regard for others. It's these people who are causing the problems for all those who want to ride scooters responsibly, and are holding back the potential benefits this form of transport could offer with some proper road segregation/management and sensible legislation.
I was looking for this comment - totally agree. Scooters are generally safe, it's a lot of the idiots riding them that make them unsafe unfortunately. No sense/awareness/respect as said.
Part of the reason there is so much poor scooter riding out there at the moment is due to the lack of regulation. I mean if they're illegal anyway then what does it matter if you go up kerbs and through red lights etc. Also a lot of teenagers ride them who have had no motorcycle or car training and maybe are not even used to riding a bike. Making them legal and introducing some basic highway code training in some way would help.
we all know that we're the only rational person and the rest of the world is idiots lmao.... Like it or not scooters are based on a skateboard platform, which is Inherently unstable and you get zero real exercise, unlike a bicycle....
@@nc3826 a scooter or skateboard is not anymore inherently unstable than a car or any other vehicle. All vehicles have different levels of stability even in the same category.
Hi Jack. Have you thought about covering the Pure Advanced + or Pure Advanced Flex on the channel? They are similar products and their release is not subject to a Kickstarter campaign.
The UK government missed a trick on these. They should have been legalised and at 20-25mph to be safe on the roads. I would say what we need is you can only ride one on paths where pedestrians are a maximum of 10mph and on roads 25mph. Be insured and must have a training certificate like the CBT for 16 year olds on 50cc motorcycles. That way people cant moan about safety, government are happy as they'll get a bit of revenue that they will lose when people get out of cars on to the scooters and people's health would be much better.
Is this company even for real. 1. No contact info on their website 2. They offer financing on the Taur 1 but when you select this option it says its not available 3. The kickstarter campaign ended im the summer with backers supposed to receive their scooters shortly after 4. No updates on the kickstarter page for months despite backers asking all the time 5. No update on their social media for months 6. Many backers have asked for refunds
If we want micro mobility in Cities then I'm sure looking at how the Netherlands do it would be a start. Their infrastructure for public transport and bike lanes is a template for all 😍
The whole Micro mobility idea needs a legislative rethink. You have to register and pass a test to fly heavier drones so I'm sure someone can make a few quid registering and testing people for e-scooters and the like. Maybe a two stage test like they have to motorbikes, first test allows up to 15mph then the second to get you 25... maybe... I guess pushbikes can get up to 25 fairly easily. Oh and allow them to go the same places as pushbikes, keep them off footpaths.
The fact my e-bike is limited to less than this scooter makes me mad. Not at Jack or the EES but the idiots that make the rules. Reduce urban speed limits to 20mph and let us travel at the same speed to avoid driver frustration and poor overtaking.
In my experience, as with bicycles, it's the rider that's the problem. Driven in accordance with the highway code, they are no different to a bicycle except you don't have to pedal it.
Physics differ..... Like it or not scooters are based on a skateboard platform, which is Inherently unstable and you get zero real exercise, unlike a bicycle.... And everybody does something stupid occasionally, but on a unstable platform It has much worse consequences....
Great video Jack. Covered all the key points. I commuted on 750W eScooter for a year pre covid and it was great. Sold it though when there were increasing reports of fines and points. Madness. Good to see more micro mobility vids and not just cars. :D
Oh dear, that’d be me then. Always wear a helmet. Mainly wear high vis. Never ride on the pavement. Don’t run the lights (unlike many cyclists). Zero inclination to swipe old ladies’ handbags - if that’s what you’re getting at. Enjoy a great, fresh air, commute. Don’t buy what you read in the Daily Mail!
Absolutely agree with you. They should be legalised. If you can ride one of those hire scooters then what’s the difference.if it were your own scooter it wouldn’t be dumped on a pavement somewhere where you can trip on it as is the case with the ones you hire you would keep it with you. The only thing would say is there would have to be an age limit or you need a motorbike or car license to ride it on a public road. With some form of liability insurance. 7:12
Here in Perth, Western Australia, I feel the government came up with reasonably sensible legislation whereby scooters are allowed on bike paths and local roads with speed limits of 50kmh (30mph). The scooters themselves are all speed limited to 25kmh (15mph). I don't understand why the UK can't do something similar...
I don't want a yobbo on one of these flying the other way at me riding my bicycle on a bike path; if they want to ride one of these on the road, that's on them if they get wiped out by a truck..
@@petesmitt So yobbos on bikes flying at you at 20mph is ok? The reason I ask is that the percentage of yobbos on scooters is roughly the same percentage as on bikes. Across the years as an avid cyclist, I have witnessed many inconsiderate bicycle riders, however that hasn't meant that I've tarnished the whole cycling community with the same brush. The vast majority of riders of either are just trying to get from A to B. Secondly, your use of the word 'flying' seems to suggest that you think that scooters are traveling at a far greater speed than bikes. In fact, 15mph is roughly the same or slower than most people on bikes. I can barely keep up with my 11 yr old son and 9 yr old daughter on their bikes and as a cyclist, I would easily average 20mph+ on a ride. If our overall end goal is to reduce the amount of polluting transport in our communities, then perhaps we should find a way to accommodate as many solutions as possible?...
The stereotypes aren't about the E-Scooters themselves - they are about the arseholes who ride them without consideration for others. If they are to be made legal then the riders should be obliged to take a formal test before being allowed to ride them, and the scooters should be registered just like cars and motorcycles
Hotwells and the basin,fab place to live,nice 6 miler through Liegh Woods over the bridge and down the steps back into Hotwells in enough time for a pint in the Rose of denmark on the corner 😊
Being able to go as fast as traffic is safer for the rider when they are in traffic. It is not safer for children, old age pensioners and other people who share the pavements with riders of these scooters who may lack the agility or the awareness to jump out of the way of them.
Really bonkers that the U.K. still hasn’t sorted the legal status more than a decade after they were experimenting with them at the Olympic park, and more than 5 years after they started the rental schemes. Let’s see…Treat them like bikes and e-bikes. Job done. Really wasn’t hard. Here in NZ electric scooters are extremely common around cities and no one had any issues with them using bike lanes or safely being in the road
No matter how good, how well-designed, how careful the owner is; that scooter is still illegal in NSW, Australia. Don't you just love politicians who are unable to understand how the world is changing?
It’s not just the e-scooters it’s who rides them and what happens in terms of collisions and who is liable. They need to sort that out. Are they a class of micro-mobility that is allowed only on roads and cycle lanes? Should they be allowed on shared paths and bridleways? The cycling infrastructure is appalling in the UK - treated as something tacked on to what we have already. That needs to be sorted out as part of a proper transport policy in this country that is so car centric.
I like it, as a motorcycle guy, I'm very curious about the side by side stance, I live in a rural area so I'd need more speed and would prefer suspension, I do like the wheel size though. I see this style of scooter gaining traction in the market.
I have been commuting on one of my 2 e scooters for 3 years. Ok I live in Copenhagen where we have bike lanes everywhere. Only take my bike when having a drink as we can get points on the driving license if stopped on a motorized vehicle under the influence. Big decent e scooters with suspension, beefy tires are a decent amount of power are safer to ride than the standard ones. Better breaks, power to get up hills etc. my big scooter does 50kmh and has a range of about 50km. It is like having a moped that you can fold up and take into the office. UK needs to sort out the stupid laws around this great micro mobility solution. Use a helmet at all times, mine has built in indicators as you need to keep to hands on the steering.
That thing looks like a safety hazard, considering you want to have one foot ahead of the other, to avoid being thrown over the handlebars while breaking
Taur 2 is definitely a great improvement over V1, shame the indicators weren’t demonstrated. As to the “unique to taur” stance, pure electric do the pure advance which is the same stance style of scooter just with 10 inch wheels and one version literally folds in half too so it’s tiny. It was developed in Bristol ironically where this Taur review was shot 😂 once legalised be interesting to see how the advance and taur do…
The main safety issue with E scooters is someone who’s never ridden one rents one in a city doesn’t have the skills to drive safely in traffic and gets hurt. If you own one, you can go through the learning curve in a safe environment, and then progress to the street.
As a motorist I think I would rather share the road with e-scooters like this than a lot of the current generation e-bikes that I have seen going around at motorcycle speeds and being ridden extremely recklessly. I do honestly think that if a powered vehicle is capable of doing >30mph it should be subject to the same kind regulation as you would see of a traditional scooter or low powered motorcycle - mandatory helmets and a test (like the CBT - a 1 day course for learner bikers) just to boost road safety because a fair few of these people are still doing things like running red lights as if road safety doesn't matter and the road just belongs to them.
Completely glossed over the actual problems with e-scooters being that they are an absolute menace to pedestrians causing over 60 serious injuries and 1 death in the UK in 2022 and over 1100 injuries to the riders themselves
You tube doesn't like links, so google "2022 uk car accidents" "2022 broadly shows a return to pre-pandemic trends. In reported road collisions in Great Britain in 2022 there were an estimated: 1,695 fatalities, a decline of 3% compared to 2019. 29,795 KSI casualties, a decline of 3% compared to 2019" So, scooters are 1695 times less likely to kill you than cars - I'll take those odds. Also, how many of those "scooter" accidents were actually caused by cars?
There are statistics proving that e-scooters are at least as safe as push bikes. Any form or transport, including legs, can be a menace in the wrong hands.
At the beginning you said it was untrue that we'd all be better off on bicycles but you never substantiated that claim other than by asserting that this folds better than a folding bike. I'd say we would all be better off on bicycles.
In some cases a bicycle would be preferable. In other cases not. This is not about scooters vs bicycles! In overcrowded cities where many people live in shared houses and flats, a compact, foldable personal transport solution like a scooter has many advantages over a bicycle. Foldable bicycles are complicated, expensive and relatively slow for most non-lycra clad people.
Thanks. I agree that aprox 20 miles or 30-35 km/h are safer than only e-assist up to 25 km/h on electric bikes and trikes. With your influence you could tell European authorities that 30-35 km/h with e-assist is safer for most people. This could be used by grown up people that can make up their minds themselves what speed is the safest in their commuting. And I think more peple would use an e-bike or trike for commuting instead of a big car, for example with all weather protection, if they could keep on some better with other traffic on open roads and use less time on their commute. Best Regards from Norway.
A lot of damage in accidents is done by not going over the handle bars , but by hitting the steering column at speed usually round the midriff, not pleasant 😊
A 24mph e-scooter is never going to be legal, that's only 4mph slower than a moped which needs a driving license, cannot be ridden in cycle lanes or shared paths, has parking restrictions, needs registration, insurance, MOT etc. It's going to be 12.5mph or if a higher standard of construction is required maybe 15.5mph same as e-bicycles. I really doubt it's safer, certainly if it's used by unaccountable riders, motorcycles have a higher casualty rate both to themselves and to pedestrians than bicycles, even in places where the speed limit is 20.
I hate riding with my feet in same position. If I stand one foot in front other foot behind. I have more control I need to bend my legs I feel safer that way
That is beautiful. but £800 when it is illegal yeh amazing they will pay the fine but then those 6 points impact your car insurance and motorbike insurance and hire car potential. Just can't take the risk at that price. I absolutely love that.
tread is the part of the tire that is making contact with the ground, whether it has a profile or is uniform aka slick. There is no such thing and treadless tires. You'd be running on the carcass
Its crazy nuts, they're illegal in UK. I live in Canada & were allowed to basically do as we please, when it comes to E scooters. We even get away with riding them at huge speeds on the sidewalk. The cops in my city are to busy dealing with more important things, like real crime!
Had ya not left the EU I'm pretty sure there would been rules around this. Here in SWE things like this, including Electric bicycles are limited to 20 - 22 km/h or 20 + 10%... 24 mph seem a bit much... might not be dangerous to those of us whom grown up on bicycles, inlines, people that are active and used to all sorts of personal transportation, but problem is when average Joe get these things or kids. Heck, I have only tried electric scooters once, and it was scary at first mainly because the handle bars are so sort and tight it feels a bit wobbly at first, once I got in to it, I had no issue but yeah... Personally, if I got any electric thing like this it would be a EUC (One Wheel)... 100+ mile range on some of them and you get a bit more of a workout on them... plus they can basically ride over anything, people take them up and down stairs, over lawns, offroad... they are incredible. Downside is they cost a lot and 90% of all of these come from China and its hard to know how much support you'll have once you get one, changing a wheel for example seem tricky... Anyway, thats the dream for me right now, have one of them things! :D But I could get a decent used car for that kinda money... 3 - 5k Euro's. People ride these things doing 40 mph or more... seems the US is in a similar situation where these things are kinda illegal as well. Some states might have rules around them...
I'm a big EUC rider and fan of them too - minor correction, OneWheel is a slightly different beast to an EUC, not as fast, different stance. If you get a smaller EUC wheel like the Inmotion V10F, it's not as pricey, much lighter, but still powerful enough for hills, not crazy fast - for me that is the perfect 'micromobility' e-wheel, after that, you get into a different class of long distance or high speed racing wheels - crazy fun, but also expensive and heavy. V10F is 30 miles of real range I believe, at around 25 mph top speed.
back in 2018-19 it seemed everyone got one of these but I don't know anyone who has used it for over 6 months, Maybe it's that the cheapest models break or they outlive their usefulness. i should ask them
It might be the crackdown the UK police did, giving fines and points on the license for private e-scooters. You could end up clocking up 12 points and no longer being able to drive a car, plus your car insurance goes through the roof as you are seen as a high risk driver.
Lots of cheap models around back then. TAUR is 'built like a tank' (as the Electroheads reviewer put it), is designed to last years, and be maintainable in a local bicycle repair store.
There's a similar problem with e-bikes. It is perfectly legal to ride them on the road,if you stay within the power limit and speed - providing they don't have a throttle! The problem is - most of them take off like a scalded cat when the motor kicks in, leaving the unprepared rider sitting on fresh air as the metalwork hurtles off uncontrolled. BUT the ones with a throttle, that can be faded in or trickled along, as needed ie in a crowded space - are not! The law is crazy! - - - These devices are great on warmer days, but pergatory in a freezing/rainy/snowing winter!
Yesterday I witnessed a teenager slice his ankle open somehow while co-riding a scooter with his friends in the park. It was a slow careful ride, yet still - a pair of white sneakers and socks "gone" and a bit of a scary experience for him. Well-designed rides seem to be very underrated. 👍
This is one concern with a vehicle like this: the side by side stance is more balanced, sure, but your feet now lie beyond the border of the scooter frame. If you do wreck, the frame wont block it...if anything, I'd be more worried about losing footing and getting my foot or ankle pinned under the deck and causing a break, fracture, or (as you mentioned) lacerations. See, my scooter is an older lead-acid model retro-fitted to Li-ion. Due to the tiny deck size, side-by-side is inadvertently the most comfortable footing (and I can steer by applying pressure to the deck in much the same way as well). However, if/when I have to lay the bike down, the frame and deck extend beyond where my feet are, taking the force of impact while the cargo area I installed in the rear doubles as a frame-slider. The end result is I (and the scoot) get right back up and back to riding after a quick dusting-off. It even handles wonderfully in the snow, despite being RWD...I just have to decrease tire pressure and increase contact patch area.
Police were quiet until the rental ones came out. I sold mine as soon as I could after I hear of friends of friends being fined and having their scooters confiscated. Now I take the bus,.... which is expensive. or the tube, which is double that of the bus.
I’ve got to ask - is this video just a brazen way of challenging the powers that be. “Here’s a thing that is technically illegal. I’m going to do it and put it on UA-cam. Let’s see if anything happens.” I totally agree if that is the case. Good job. The law is an ass!
The thing that worries me about scooter safety is how quickly will it do an emergency stop. 20mph plus small diameter disc brakes doesn't look promising. But if it does stop on a dime then what's keeping you attached to it whilst it stops?! Certainly 15.5mph is a bit slow for these and ebikes when sharing road space with cars, but is 20mph too fast when sharing pavement space with pedestrians?? *Fingers crossed* that we get decent legislation around there use and hopefully that will also solve the dangerous products flooding the market and our streets.
We use both disc brakes and regen braking in parallel. Also we're the only scooter on the market with standard bicycle-sized disc brakes. Speed isn't there to be ridden at maximum speed all the time, just like cars can usually do at least 50% faster than the speed limit. You'd be surprised how fast the average superhero-wearing cyclists ride...way faster than 24.
In Australia the maximum power is 250W! Nice looking scooter but illegal here. If you are going to do reports on scooters, can you advise if the manufacturer complies with safety ratings required to take on an aircraft.
A good review of how good the scooter goes (keeping up with traffic), but how easy is it to stop? good that it has indicators, has it got front & rear lights? IP55 seems like a fair rating for weather proofing (though not total immersion, it won't work safely underwater), good range, nice design & foldable. Just need convincing it can stop quickly & safely, and that I could ride it to work legally before rushing to buy one.
Hey, We use both disc brakes and regen for a couple reasons. Using both provides a whole lot of stopping force. But it also gives you redundancy in the rare event one braking system doesn't slow you down as intended. Also this is the only scooter on the market with standard bicycle-sized disc brakes.
Well said young man. The dithering on micromobility legislation has gone on far too long. Just one tiny quibble. I'm not sure how much 'healthier' scooter users are. It's not active transport in the way that walking, cycling or even e-biking is. Probably good for mental health, but no more. Not sure if anyone has studied it yet (They have studied e-bikes and found that users get about 2/3rds of the benefit of cycling an 'acoustic' bike, which is more than most would expect).
@@hamshackleton sorry - that was a typo for 2/3rds (now fixed). And yes 'acoustic bike' is a slightly wry term for we used to just call a bike, but increasingly the e-bike is going to become the default bike (it already is in some countries for new bikes), so it becomes increasingly necessary to be clear when you specifically mean a 'manual', or non-electric bike.
I ride EUCs (Electric Unicycles), and I do get out of breath when riding faster, it's all core strength and balance muscles, it's not cardio, but it's not nothing. The main health benefit is when you consider that the alternative would be a combustion car for most, then you have to compare me pouring out tailpipe emissions for you to breath in, or me scooting alongside you, both happy with our respective, legal, choices. When it's framed like that - and I think it should be - scooters are as much for potential car drivers as they are bike alternatives - less cars is better, whether you consider a scooter exercise or not.
@@brushlessmotoring You are right that most micromobility requires more effort than car driving. EUC and one-wheels are at the 'more work' (and skill) end of things. Scooter-riding is pretty much just turning the handlebars with a smidge of balance. The main reason they are popular is that nearly anyone can learn to drive one in less than a minute. (i.e it's _waay_ easier to learn than riding a bike). And yes obviously all micromobility is much better than car-sized EVs on a space, materials-use, energy-use, noise, cost and road-danger basis. And all EVs (even car-sized ones) are way better than ICE vehicles on a pollution basis (although rental scooters can have surprisingly poor emissions numbers due to people driving round to collect/charge/distribute them in ICEVs, and the very high attritions rates). So yes more micromobility is a very good thing. Not quite such a good thing as cycling, but all not-a-car choices are progress (including public transport and walking).
Well. I commute regularly on my illegal one & can vouch for catching many less germs & lurgs as a direct result of not cramming into a packed train. So there’s that kind of healthier, for sure.
When they are authorized people ride them on side walks, walkways, which is awful. If you’re going to ride on the ride, you need something much safer. These wheels and wheelbase are still tiny for road use.
The Pure Advance has same type of boards to stand on so not innovative also the Advance flex (which I have) folds much more compact, my concern is this goes 24 MPH / 39 KPH where as the Pure is same at a e bike 15.5 MPH and had built in lights and indicators
I just saw a video titled Top 7 mistakes new scooter riders make and number 1 was incorrect and dangerous stance, which surprise, surprise was the one with parallel feet.
Depends on the scooter. This model allows the rider to stand further back, astride the rear wheel on individual foot stands, improving stability. Conventional scooters feature a deck between the front and rear wheel. A parallel stance in some cases would push the rider too far forward with a lack of longitudinal stability. Each stance has advantages and disadvantages but, in a lot of cases, a conventional 'skateboard' style stance is a more stable option.
Yes the Taur is safe and of course Jack is safe on it. After all he is an experienced driver, knows traffic, has passed at least one driving test and knows the Highway Code. Now wind that back to a 12 year old who has maybe not ridden a bike, hasn't passed any driving tests, has no traffic experience, is excited about the 25mph toy on which they are allowed to go anywhere, and probably can't be prosecuted for dangerous driving. How do you legislate for that ?
I think people will stop fearing micromobility vehicle batteries, especially in cheaper models, if sodium was used instead of lithium. Look to CATL for that tech. I think most of the money in sodium will be in micromobility for the first few years.
Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4 or LFP) are also a much safer chemistry to NMC or LiPO batteries. The main issue (at least here in Vancouver) is stolen scooters getting modified to take a non factory charger (as the charger generally doesn't come with the stolen scooter) and the non factory charger ends up igniting the battery.
These need to be legalised please and let them share the cycle lanes if it provides more safety on the roads. Sadly my only issue with them is just the UK ppl in general, getting it mugged off you by evil people in the streets is not for me. We're not a country where we can have nice things.
The feet placement for the scooter is wrong the reason most people ride with one foot in front of the other is because if you do fall you will fall face forward and it makes it more dangerous to turn because you don’t have as much balance as you would if you put your feet the normal way and you can’t do that with this scooter
Small correction folks, rear motor is 750W not 750KW. Imagine!
Lets have lots more on micro-mobility please.
Wheelie like a mo fo
Surely a review on a 750kW scooter would just be 10 mins of terrified screaming!! 😁
Jack, can you start a fashion insta or something, I want all the clothes you wear 😂
@@robcole5805 One would assume, yes! Probably not wrong! :D
I've got my bike and I'm happy with it, but actually if you think of that scooter as a replacement for a car for shorter journeys then it really is so obviously good. Now here in the Netherlands space to use such a vehicle is not a big problem, but if the UK could just get its head around cleaner transport, converting some roads to cycle and scooter routes, this could be a great part of the plan.
They will still require all the trappings of non-electric scooters/mopeds. So, people have to get their heads around that. These are not a regulation-free form of transport.
@@AtheistEve I see them as akin to the electric bikes. They need categorisation and regulations. The problem for the UK seems to be a reluctance to move from "the car is the King of the road" mentality towards a greener attitude where the car is just one option and not even the best option for short journeys.
@@NickAskew The best we can hope for is for all the tax, insurance and MOTs to be set at a lower rate because of local emissions. But, if it’s anything like the electric car situation, the government will just terminate all incentives before the benefits can be fully felt.
Also dead useful to hop onto the train. The issue however is that most train operators don't allow them
@@waqasahmed939 yeah but arent public transport government funded, so laws need to change already
Great to see the focus on micro-mobility. In one way or another, this a big part of the future. Really good area for the show
It's not the scooters that are the problem, it's the way some people use them. As a wheelchair user, I have already had someone run into me and had another near miss. So not a big fan.
This applies to all modes of transport. Some people will operate them badly and cause collisions. Bikes/cars/even other wheelchairs occaisionally. And yes we want to discourage that by all of: enforcement of the rules, sensible rules in the first place, and infrastructure that keeps the three speeds of foot (0-4mph, bike(5-15mph) and car(20-60mph) segregated as much as possible.
You noted as a feature the foot pads....personally, I would prefer a larger deck to place my feet where I want them. One foot in front of the other would give you greater control against getting launched over the handlebars if you encounter an obstacle, and potentially more comfort. Other than that, it looks like a very nice vehicle!
Totally agree with you..
One foot in front of the other is a must for emergency breaking
@@dronurergunShould NOT be traveling so FAST as to require an emergency stop !. BE AWARE OF OTHERS NEEDS
Ability to move/change position is paramount for comfort for me... why my ebike is awful on my knees.
@@dronurergunbreaking is what happens after you crash
Totally agree they should be legal now. If they were, I'd put an order in for a Taur tomorrow.
Yup. Taur's willingness to pay your fine is nice but they can't exactly absolve any point on the licence :(
And if you own it you won't be leaving it lying across a public sidewalk in the way of everyone.
Yeah the legal status of scooters is a strange one really. They're not explicitely banned, they're not allowed due to the wording of vehicle/tax/insurance laws which would be easy to fix with an exception. I loved your point that the law is holding back innovation and safety on these vehicles because who wants to buy expensive quality if it might be taken off you?
On the point about fires. You didn't mention that most scooter fires happen indoors when charging. I follow a number of fire service accounts and they all have the same warnings against the batteries in these scooters burning people's houses down. I assume more expensive, higher quality batteries are the answer but still, that's another risk rn.
Most of the fires are caused by the incorrect charger being used, and the thing is left on charge all night! The better e-devices have a battery monitor built-in that turns the power down to a trickle, or completely off, when the battery nears full, or if the wrong charger is plugged in.
They could also get round the battery fire issue by bringing in some protectionism around e-scooters production. Make all of them in the UK with required safety standards.
Yeah, cheap = no real BMS = no overcharge detection/prevention = 🔥
@@hamshackletonare you in the UK or the States? Was wondering if you know of any good brands that have the feature you mentioned?
Completely agree with your comment about keeping up with traffic. Thank you for highlighting this.
I see few problems with e-scooters. They are too slow for traffic, and too fast for side walks. You can fix one of those and make a fast e-scooter but then it will be even more unsuitable for use on side walks. For example in Poland there was a big public outcry after a chain of accidents involving e-scooters ramming into people on sidewalks, and kids riding them very unsafely.
The other thing is the batteries. They are quite substantial. A big battery is a big fire hazard. I wince when I hear about people charging their e-bike or e-scooters in their living rooms or bedrooms. If that thing goes into flames your place will burn to the ground. That is also the reason why you cannot take it into a tube (and why you are limited to 100kWh batteries on airplanes).
The risk of fire is small for good quality products, but if we are talking about mass adoption that risk spreads over a lot of people and some accidents bound to happen. Discussing how to charge EVs safely should be an important topic. I would never consider buying an e-bike, e-scooter or other small EV with a battery that is build in and not easily removable for charging. If the battery is removable you can more easily find a safe charging solution: bat-safe box (double walled metal box, with venting holes) or a good quality battery-bag (special non-flammable kevlar bag).
Any suggestions for other safe modes of micro mobility?
@@t.terrell7037 regular bicycles are quite safe, foldable ones are compact enough to take into public transport. No batteries, no worries. They are also fast and stable enough to be used on roads safely.
E-scorers aren't bad, but I don't think their place is on the sidewalk or the road. They should be used on cycle paths.
As I mentioned before, charging big batteries indoors makes me nervous. I might be paranoid about it but I think people do no take into consideration how dangerous those batteries are. I don't hear enough about having a safe charging spot outside or at least a proper safe charging box in videos about micro EVs.
Other option is to buy something that uses LiFe batteries. Those are less fragile and don't go in flames. The drawback is less power density, I think they only hold half the capacity per unit of weight compared to LiIon batteries.
Make sure when buying an e-scooter that you start off slow for the first few weeks, either with a slow scooter like this, or if you buy a higher performance scooter then still stay under 20mph (12kph) for a few weeks until you are fully comfortable with it. I think the reason there were so many accidents when rental scooters became a thing was because people assumed they knew how to ride one, and yeah they aren't hard, but when a challenging situation presents itself if you don't have a bit of experience you can panic and crash just like a new bike rider. It's best if that happens at a speed that you can jump off and run rather than at higher speeds.
Do lots of research, not all scooters are created equal, and some are downright useless. Make sure the scooter you buy meets your commuting (or play) needs. Realize that websites exaggerate the speed and especially the range of the scooter. Normally you will only get about 60% of the stated range under real world conditions. Make sure you get a scooter that matches your commute and can handle your body weight. If you have hills on your commute that's a huge consideration, and it's going to massively impact which scooter you buy as not all scooters can handle hills, while others could practically climb a wall if the wheels would stick to it.
Realize that affiliate reviewers are paid to sell scooters. There's nothing wrong with that, but treat affiliate reviews as you would a car salesman. Great for facts, but be careful of the sunshine on your bottom.
Your on the money Jack!! The efficiency of travelling across London on electric skateboards using the protected cycle lanes is unbelievable. Yet it's probably more illegal than legal!! We wanted to take the skateboards to Paris for a fencing tournament, but Eurostar were scared of the batteries. Surely, a fire resistant compartment (happy to pay extra) would mitigate this small risk! They would have no issues with a mobility scooter or electric bike! That scooter looks great value. Unfortunately, if there's a risk of it being confiscated by the police, the cheaper option is more compelling!! The potential to cut down on my car journeys (currently combustion) or avoid city centres is compelling! I just wish parliament would do a days work!!
Re confiscation, yep, that's precisely why we're paying people's fines AND replacing units free of charge if they're confiscated by police :)
If these we legal on the road, I could drop it into the boot of my car and have it available to do last mile journeys in larger congested towns. That’s much easier than having to fold the seats down to make room for a bicycle.
Just went from a Segway ES scooter to Apollo Air and I've been amazed at the subtle design differences and how much they improve quality of ride. You guys should have the most fun with micromobility
Did you need to change a tire on Apollo air? I heard it's a nightmare and literally impossible to do just by yourself.
Yes, make it legal, as long as you have a drivers license of some kind. It is a moped.
It's not a ped though. Its power output exceeds a legal e bike (that's another topic altogether!) So it's really a motorbike.
It's not the fine that's the issue but the points and 5+ years of impacting your car insurance for riding a motorbike with no insurance. Add on the optional points for unlicenced vehicle, no safety gear, non type rated etc.
@@djtaylorutube For its speed it should be EU moped class (45 km/h max) but UK is not in EU anymore so I guess they have to make up their own mind about what it is.
only issue i can see with this is the round tube going down the centre. should make it rectangle and flat, slightly wider middle to fit all the electronics and battery and can still have the sides fold up if needed for storage. this would allow for movement on the scooter and ability to change position rather than staying in one set stance. would be much safer for rider too.
Too many inexperienced road users on the scooters is the main issue for me, they take far too many chances on the road and lot of them do not wear helmets, lights etc
That could be said for car drivers!
The scooter itself is not dangerous if ridden responsibly but, let's face it, there are a lot of people out there using them with no road sense/awareness, and often a lack of regard for others. It's these people who are causing the problems for all those who want to ride scooters responsibly, and are holding back the potential benefits this form of transport could offer with some proper road segregation/management and sensible legislation.
I was looking for this comment - totally agree. Scooters are generally safe, it's a lot of the idiots riding them that make them unsafe unfortunately. No sense/awareness/respect as said.
Part of the reason there is so much poor scooter riding out there at the moment is due to the lack of regulation. I mean if they're illegal anyway then what does it matter if you go up kerbs and through red lights etc. Also a lot of teenagers ride them who have had no motorcycle or car training and maybe are not even used to riding a bike. Making them legal and introducing some basic highway code training in some way would help.
@@yips_waybut these idiots are currently just driving cars instead, which is even less safe...
we all know that we're the only rational person and the rest of the world is idiots lmao....
Like it or not scooters are based on a skateboard platform, which is Inherently unstable and you get zero real exercise, unlike a bicycle....
@@nc3826 a scooter or skateboard is not anymore inherently unstable than a car or any other vehicle. All vehicles have different levels of stability even in the same category.
Hi Jack. Have you thought about covering the Pure Advanced + or Pure Advanced Flex on the channel? They are similar products and their release is not subject to a Kickstarter campaign.
The UK government missed a trick on these. They should have been legalised and at 20-25mph to be safe on the roads. I would say what we need is you can only ride one on paths where pedestrians are a maximum of 10mph and on roads 25mph. Be insured and must have a training certificate like the CBT for 16 year olds on 50cc motorcycles. That way people cant moan about safety, government are happy as they'll get a bit of revenue that they will lose when people get out of cars on to the scooters and people's health would be much better.
The Pure Air Advance has the gull wing foot pads...going back to your Electroheads roots Jack?
Is this company even for real.
1. No contact info on their website
2. They offer financing on the Taur 1 but when you select this option it says its not available
3. The kickstarter campaign ended im the summer with backers supposed to receive their scooters shortly after
4. No updates on the kickstarter page for months despite backers asking all the time
5. No update on their social media for months
6. Many backers have asked for refunds
If we want micro mobility in Cities then I'm sure looking at how the Netherlands do it would be a start.
Their infrastructure for public transport and bike lanes is a template for all 😍
The whole Micro mobility idea needs a legislative rethink. You have to register and pass a test to fly heavier drones so I'm sure someone can make a few quid registering and testing people for e-scooters and the like.
Maybe a two stage test like they have to motorbikes, first test allows up to 15mph then the second to get you 25... maybe... I guess pushbikes can get up to 25 fairly easily.
Oh and allow them to go the same places as pushbikes, keep them off footpaths.
and fit front, rear, and stop-lights!
My pedal cycle can do 40mph, but only down hill. 15mph on the flat is more realistic unless your a fit athlete that is.
The fact my e-bike is limited to less than this scooter makes me mad. Not at Jack or the EES but the idiots that make the rules. Reduce urban speed limits to 20mph and let us travel at the same speed to avoid driver frustration and poor overtaking.
Couldn't agree more.
This video won me over to the pro-scooter side. I used to think they were stupid before.
"Spooned by a sweaty rando on the tube" made me exhale coffee through my nose :-)
Scooters arn't dangerous, the people on it are.
Make sure companies are communicative before you buy from them. This one isn't!
In my experience, as with bicycles, it's the rider that's the problem. Driven in accordance with the highway code, they are no different to a bicycle except you don't have to pedal it.
Physics differ..... Like it or not scooters are based on a skateboard platform, which is Inherently unstable and you get zero real exercise, unlike a bicycle....
And everybody does something stupid occasionally, but on a unstable platform It has much worse consequences....
Great video Jack. Covered all the key points. I commuted on 750W eScooter for a year pre covid and it was great. Sold it though when there were increasing reports of fines and points. Madness. Good to see more micro mobility vids and not just cars. :D
Wait, that rental scooter's wheels are basically the same size. I know some are smaller, but you picked a bad example.
The wrong kind of people use them in London. That’s the problem.
Oh dear, that’d be me then. Always wear a helmet. Mainly wear high vis. Never ride on the pavement. Don’t run the lights (unlike many cyclists). Zero inclination to swipe old ladies’ handbags - if that’s what you’re getting at. Enjoy a great, fresh air, commute. Don’t buy what you read in the Daily Mail!
Absolutely agree with you. They should be legalised. If you can ride one of those hire scooters then what’s the difference.if it were your own scooter it wouldn’t be dumped on a pavement somewhere where you can trip on it as is the case with the ones you hire you would keep it with you. The only thing would say is there would have to be an age limit or you need a motorbike or car license to ride it on a public road. With some form of liability insurance. 7:12
Here in Perth, Western Australia, I feel the government came up with reasonably sensible legislation whereby scooters are allowed on bike paths and local roads with speed limits of 50kmh (30mph). The scooters themselves are all speed limited to 25kmh (15mph). I don't understand why the UK can't do something similar...
I don't want a yobbo on one of these flying the other way at me riding my bicycle on a bike path; if they want to ride one of these on the road, that's on them if they get wiped out by a truck..
@@petesmitt So yobbos on bikes flying at you at 20mph is ok?
The reason I ask is that the percentage of yobbos on scooters is roughly the same percentage as on bikes. Across the years as an avid cyclist, I have witnessed many inconsiderate bicycle riders, however that hasn't meant that I've tarnished the whole cycling community with the same brush. The vast majority of riders of either are just trying to get from A to B. Secondly, your use of the word 'flying' seems to suggest that you think that scooters are traveling at a far greater speed than bikes. In fact, 15mph is roughly the same or slower than most people on bikes. I can barely keep up with my 11 yr old son and 9 yr old daughter on their bikes and as a cyclist, I would easily average 20mph+ on a ride.
If our overall end goal is to reduce the amount of polluting transport in our communities, then perhaps we should find a way to accommodate as many solutions as possible?...
The stereotypes aren't about the E-Scooters themselves - they are about the arseholes who ride them without consideration for others. If they are to be made legal then the riders should be obliged to take a formal test before being allowed to ride them, and the scooters should be registered just like cars and motorcycles
Hotwells and the basin,fab place to live,nice 6 miler through Liegh Woods over the bridge and down the steps back into Hotwells in enough time for a pint in the Rose of denmark on the corner 😊
Being able to go as fast as traffic is safer for the rider when they are in traffic. It is not safer for children, old age pensioners and other people who share the pavements with riders of these scooters who may lack the agility or the awareness to jump out of the way of them.
Really bonkers that the U.K. still hasn’t sorted the legal status more than a decade after they were experimenting with them at the Olympic park, and more than 5 years after they started the rental schemes.
Let’s see…Treat them like bikes and e-bikes. Job done. Really wasn’t hard.
Here in NZ electric scooters are extremely common around cities and no one had any issues with them using bike lanes or safely being in the road
The scooter rental companies would loose a lot of money if these was legal.
I wonder if lobbying is involved?
They have the motive
Not just e-scooter rental companies but also other bigger disruptive implications down the line!
No matter how good, how well-designed, how careful the owner is; that scooter is still illegal in NSW, Australia.
Don't you just love politicians who are unable to understand how the world is changing?
Agree with all of this. Great video. But I still can’t buy one with the legal risks attached. I can’t afford to lose that much money.
Re confiscation, yep, that's precisely why we're paying people's fines AND replacing units free of charge if they're confiscated by police :)
it cost 150 to get it back 😮
How's the motorcycle licence coming along? Are we going to see reviews of electric mopeds, scooters (sit on) and motorcycles? 🙏
Wonder how many cars could easily be taken off the road if these were legalised?
@@benson5967 more like 4
It’s not just the e-scooters it’s who rides them and what happens in terms of collisions and who is liable. They need to sort that out. Are they a class of micro-mobility that is allowed only on roads and cycle lanes? Should they be allowed on shared paths and bridleways? The cycling infrastructure is appalling in the UK - treated as something tacked on to what we have already. That needs to be sorted out as part of a proper transport policy in this country that is so car centric.
I like it, as a motorcycle guy, I'm very curious about the side by side stance, I live in a rural area so I'd need more speed and would prefer suspension, I do like the wheel size though. I see this style of scooter gaining traction in the market.
The big advantage an e-bike, is that, iit helps to keep you fit.
I have been commuting on one of my 2 e scooters for 3 years. Ok I live in Copenhagen where we have bike lanes everywhere. Only take my bike when having a drink as we can get points on the driving license if stopped on a motorized vehicle under the influence. Big decent e scooters with suspension, beefy tires are a decent amount of power are safer to ride than the standard ones. Better breaks, power to get up hills etc. my big scooter does 50kmh and has a range of about 50km. It is like having a moped that you can fold up and take into the office. UK needs to sort out the stupid laws around this great micro mobility solution. Use a helmet at all times, mine has built in indicators as you need to keep to hands on the steering.
Any issues with charging batteries or fire hazards?
That thing looks like a safety hazard, considering you want to have one foot ahead of the other, to avoid being thrown over the handlebars while breaking
My problem with these are, the kids that rent out or own it, has no drivers licence. So they don't know the rules of the road.
man i could never live in the UK with the bullshit scooter laws
Taur 2 is definitely a great improvement over V1, shame the indicators weren’t demonstrated. As to the “unique to taur” stance, pure electric do the pure advance which is the same stance style of scooter just with 10 inch wheels and one version literally folds in half too so it’s tiny. It was developed in Bristol ironically where this Taur review was shot 😂 once legalised be interesting to see how the advance and taur do…
Yep, our design was certainly 'popular', shall we say. It's rapidly becoming the industry standard for most brands launching new scooters now.
When you say it’s ‘your design’ is Apollo buying the design off you for their new scooter?
@@WonderousWelland you probably can’t patent the stance as it’s already used in EUC’s 🤷♂️
@@WonderousWelland they say immitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Still, if it helps makes eScooters safer...
@@ridetaur do you own the stance then if Apollo didn’t pay for it?
The main safety issue with E scooters is someone who’s never ridden one rents one in a city doesn’t have the skills to drive safely in traffic and gets hurt.
If you own one, you can go through the learning curve in a safe environment, and then progress to the street.
What is taking so long for this government to implement law changes to allow new micro-mobility vehicles like this on the roads.
A suitable Tory party donor that runs a scooter business has not yet been identified. Isn't that obvious yet after all this time?
As a motorist I think I would rather share the road with e-scooters like this than a lot of the current generation e-bikes that I have seen going around at motorcycle speeds and being ridden extremely recklessly. I do honestly think that if a powered vehicle is capable of doing >30mph it should be subject to the same kind regulation as you would see of a traditional scooter or low powered motorcycle - mandatory helmets and a test (like the CBT - a 1 day course for learner bikers) just to boost road safety because a fair few of these people are still doing things like running red lights as if road safety doesn't matter and the road just belongs to them.
Completely glossed over the actual problems with e-scooters being that they are an absolute menace to pedestrians causing over 60 serious injuries and 1 death in the UK in 2022 and over 1100 injuries to the riders themselves
Accidents and injuries from mobility scooters are a hazard too. But somehow we have to allow for these things to be ridden safely.
You tube doesn't like links, so google "2022 uk car accidents"
"2022 broadly shows a return to pre-pandemic trends. In reported road collisions in Great Britain in 2022 there were an estimated: 1,695 fatalities, a decline of 3% compared to 2019. 29,795 KSI casualties, a decline of 3% compared to 2019"
So, scooters are 1695 times less likely to kill you than cars - I'll take those odds. Also, how many of those "scooter" accidents were actually caused by cars?
Ban pedestrians! They're a menace. One killed a 77 year old cyclist in Cambridge.
Terrible things, shouldn't be allowed on pavements.
There are statistics proving that e-scooters are at least as safe as push bikes. Any form or transport, including legs, can be a menace in the wrong hands.
At the beginning you said it was untrue that we'd all be better off on bicycles but you never substantiated that claim other than by asserting that this folds better than a folding bike. I'd say we would all be better off on bicycles.
In some cases a bicycle would be preferable. In other cases not. This is not about scooters vs bicycles! In overcrowded cities where many people live in shared houses and flats, a compact, foldable personal transport solution like a scooter has many advantages over a bicycle. Foldable bicycles are complicated, expensive and relatively slow for most non-lycra clad people.
My car died recently and I do want one of these. But I hear UK or Met Police are taking them and fining owners. It disgraceful imo.
I think you meant 750w for the power output, 750kW is insane amounts of oomph.
Would be funny to see him test that lol
03:53 -> 750kW? Damn, that's just 10kW less than the Tesla Plaid :D
Thanks. I agree that aprox 20 miles or 30-35 km/h are safer than only e-assist up to 25 km/h on electric bikes and trikes. With your influence you could tell European authorities that 30-35 km/h with e-assist is safer for most people. This could be used by grown up people that can make up their minds themselves what speed is the safest in their commuting. And I think more peple would use an e-bike or trike for commuting instead of a big car, for example with all weather protection, if they could keep on some better with other traffic on open roads and use less time on their commute. Best Regards from Norway.
Great upload. Sensible riding habits go a long way.
You really understand this issue well.
i think micro mobility should be taught in school, as a way of life and as the future, being implemented, now.
Just bleeding brilliant and just what I've been looking for thank you so much 👍🤗i can't wait to get my hands on one
A lot of damage in accidents is done by not going over the handle bars , but by hitting the steering column at speed usually round the midriff, not pleasant 😊
Oh my God, that's a perfect vehicle! I ❤ it ! In Australia we are allowed to have them, and take them on the bus and train as well. 👍
A 24mph e-scooter is never going to be legal, that's only 4mph slower than a moped which needs a driving license, cannot be ridden in cycle lanes or shared paths, has parking restrictions, needs registration, insurance, MOT etc.
It's going to be 12.5mph or if a higher standard of construction is required maybe 15.5mph same as e-bicycles.
I really doubt it's safer, certainly if it's used by unaccountable riders, motorcycles have a higher casualty rate both to themselves and to pedestrians than bicycles, even in places where the speed limit is 20.
Let's pressure the government to legalize the e scooter faster, we need them to pe legal ✌️
I hate riding with my feet in same position. If I stand one foot in front other foot behind. I have more control I need to bend my legs I feel safer that way
Not that it matters to the rest of the world, but keeping private scooters illegal will inhibit UK participation in this fast-growing sector.
That is beautiful. but £800 when it is illegal yeh amazing they will pay the fine but then those 6 points impact your car insurance and motorbike insurance and hire car potential. Just can't take the risk at that price. I absolutely love that.
tread is the part of the tire that is making contact with the ground, whether it has a profile or is uniform aka slick. There is no such thing and treadless tires. You'd be running on the carcass
Its crazy nuts, they're illegal in UK. I live in Canada & were allowed to basically do as we please, when it comes to E scooters. We even get away with riding them at huge speeds on the sidewalk. The cops in my city are to busy dealing with more important things, like real crime!
Here in the UK our police are busy enforcing Mauist style laws.
Had ya not left the EU I'm pretty sure there would been rules around this. Here in SWE things like this, including Electric bicycles are limited to 20 - 22 km/h or 20 + 10%...
24 mph seem a bit much... might not be dangerous to those of us whom grown up on bicycles, inlines, people that are active and used to all sorts of personal transportation, but problem is when average Joe get these things or kids. Heck, I have only tried electric scooters once, and it was scary at first mainly because the handle bars are so sort and tight it feels a bit wobbly at first, once I got in to it, I had no issue but yeah...
Personally, if I got any electric thing like this it would be a EUC (One Wheel)... 100+ mile range on some of them and you get a bit more of a workout on them... plus they can basically ride over anything, people take them up and down stairs, over lawns, offroad... they are incredible. Downside is they cost a lot and 90% of all of these come from China and its hard to know how much support you'll have once you get one, changing a wheel for example seem tricky... Anyway, thats the dream for me right now, have one of them things! :D But I could get a decent used car for that kinda money... 3 - 5k Euro's. People ride these things doing 40 mph or more... seems the US is in a similar situation where these things are kinda illegal as well. Some states might have rules around them...
I'm a big EUC rider and fan of them too - minor correction, OneWheel is a slightly different beast to an EUC, not as fast, different stance. If you get a smaller EUC wheel like the Inmotion V10F, it's not as pricey, much lighter, but still powerful enough for hills, not crazy fast - for me that is the perfect 'micromobility' e-wheel, after that, you get into a different class of long distance or high speed racing wheels - crazy fun, but also expensive and heavy. V10F is 30 miles of real range I believe, at around 25 mph top speed.
back in 2018-19 it seemed everyone got one of these but I don't know anyone who has used it for over 6 months, Maybe it's that the cheapest models break or they outlive their usefulness. i should ask them
It might be the crackdown the UK police did, giving fines and points on the license for private e-scooters. You could end up clocking up 12 points and no longer being able to drive a car, plus your car insurance goes through the roof as you are seen as a high risk driver.
Lots of cheap models around back then. TAUR is 'built like a tank' (as the Electroheads reviewer put it), is designed to last years, and be maintainable in a local bicycle repair store.
There's a similar problem with e-bikes. It is perfectly legal to ride them on the road,if you stay within the power limit and speed - providing they don't have a throttle! The problem is - most of them take off like a scalded cat when the motor kicks in, leaving the unprepared rider sitting on fresh air as the metalwork hurtles off uncontrolled. BUT the ones with a throttle, that can be faded in or trickled along, as needed ie in a crowded space - are not! The law is crazy! - - - These devices are great on warmer days, but pergatory in a freezing/rainy/snowing winter!
Yesterday I witnessed a teenager slice his ankle open somehow while co-riding a scooter with his friends in the park. It was a slow careful ride, yet still - a pair of white sneakers and socks "gone" and a bit of a scary experience for him. Well-designed rides seem to be very underrated. 👍
This is one concern with a vehicle like this: the side by side stance is more balanced, sure, but your feet now lie beyond the border of the scooter frame.
If you do wreck, the frame wont block it...if anything, I'd be more worried about losing footing and getting my foot or ankle pinned under the deck and causing a break, fracture, or (as you mentioned) lacerations.
See, my scooter is an older lead-acid model retro-fitted to Li-ion. Due to the tiny deck size, side-by-side is inadvertently the most comfortable footing (and I can steer by applying pressure to the deck in much the same way as well).
However, if/when I have to lay the bike down, the frame and deck extend beyond where my feet are, taking the force of impact while the cargo area I installed in the rear doubles as a frame-slider.
The end result is I (and the scoot) get right back up and back to riding after a quick dusting-off. It even handles wonderfully in the snow, despite being RWD...I just have to decrease tire pressure and increase contact patch area.
The rental is legal because they make $ off it obviously
Police were quiet until the rental ones came out. I sold mine as soon as I could after I hear of friends of friends being fined and having their scooters confiscated. Now I take the bus,.... which is expensive. or the tube, which is double that of the bus.
I’ve got to ask - is this video just a brazen way of challenging the powers that be. “Here’s a thing that is technically illegal. I’m going to do it and put it on UA-cam. Let’s see if anything happens.” I totally agree if that is the case. Good job. The law is an ass!
The thing that worries me about scooter safety is how quickly will it do an emergency stop. 20mph plus small diameter disc brakes doesn't look promising. But if it does stop on a dime then what's keeping you attached to it whilst it stops?! Certainly 15.5mph is a bit slow for these and ebikes when sharing road space with cars, but is 20mph too fast when sharing pavement space with pedestrians?? *Fingers crossed* that we get decent legislation around there use and hopefully that will also solve the dangerous products flooding the market and our streets.
They're perfectly fine at stopping, quite powerful. You can easily lock up the rear on most scooters though for good and bad.
We use both disc brakes and regen braking in parallel. Also we're the only scooter on the market with standard bicycle-sized disc brakes.
Speed isn't there to be ridden at maximum speed all the time, just like cars can usually do at least 50% faster than the speed limit. You'd be surprised how fast the average superhero-wearing cyclists ride...way faster than 24.
In Australia the maximum power is 250W! Nice looking scooter but illegal here. If you are going to do reports on scooters, can you advise if the manufacturer complies with safety ratings required to take on an aircraft.
Omg!! Bring back Onewheel Jack!!! I found some old videos and he was really good on a Onewheel!
A good review of how good the scooter goes (keeping up with traffic), but how easy is it to stop? good that it has indicators, has it got front & rear lights? IP55 seems like a fair rating for weather proofing (though not total immersion, it won't work safely underwater), good range, nice design & foldable. Just need convincing it can stop quickly & safely, and that I could ride it to work legally before rushing to buy one.
Hey, We use both disc brakes and regen for a couple reasons. Using both provides a whole lot of stopping force. But it also gives you redundancy in the rare event one braking system doesn't slow you down as intended. Also this is the only scooter on the market with standard bicycle-sized disc brakes.
Well said young man. The dithering on micromobility legislation has gone on far too long.
Just one tiny quibble. I'm not sure how much 'healthier' scooter users are. It's not active transport in the way that walking, cycling or even e-biking is. Probably good for mental health, but no more. Not sure if anyone has studied it yet (They have studied e-bikes and found that users get about 2/3rds of the benefit of cycling an 'acoustic' bike, which is more than most would expect).
What are 2/4rds - - and an acoustic bike? - - 2/4ths is two quarters, or one half - acoustic bike - do you mean a simple pedal cycle?
@@hamshackleton sorry - that was a typo for 2/3rds (now fixed). And yes 'acoustic bike' is a slightly wry term for we used to just call a bike, but increasingly the e-bike is going to become the default bike (it already is in some countries for new bikes), so it becomes increasingly necessary to be clear when you specifically mean a 'manual', or non-electric bike.
I ride EUCs (Electric Unicycles), and I do get out of breath when riding faster, it's all core strength and balance muscles, it's not cardio, but it's not nothing. The main health benefit is when you consider that the alternative would be a combustion car for most, then you have to compare me pouring out tailpipe emissions for you to breath in, or me scooting alongside you, both happy with our respective, legal, choices.
When it's framed like that - and I think it should be - scooters are as much for potential car drivers as they are bike alternatives - less cars is better, whether you consider a scooter exercise or not.
@@brushlessmotoring You are right that most micromobility requires more effort than car driving. EUC and one-wheels are at the 'more work' (and skill) end of things. Scooter-riding is pretty much just turning the handlebars with a smidge of balance. The main reason they are popular is that nearly anyone can learn to drive one in less than a minute. (i.e it's _waay_ easier to learn than riding a bike).
And yes obviously all micromobility is much better than car-sized EVs on a space, materials-use, energy-use, noise, cost and road-danger basis. And all EVs (even car-sized ones) are way better than ICE vehicles on a pollution basis (although rental scooters can have surprisingly poor emissions numbers due to people driving round to collect/charge/distribute them in ICEVs, and the very high attritions rates).
So yes more micromobility is a very good thing. Not quite such a good thing as cycling, but all not-a-car choices are progress (including public transport and walking).
Well. I commute regularly on my illegal one & can vouch for catching many less germs & lurgs as a direct result of not cramming into a packed train. So there’s that kind of healthier, for sure.
How does it feel riding on those stone-block pavements with no suspension?
Good design, will presented review! Keep up the great work guys!
If be afraid of ruining into a pothole and flying over the handlebars.
I would say the Swifty Electric models are even better designed. You should contact them.
When they are authorized people ride them on side walks, walkways, which is awful.
If you’re going to ride on the ride, you need something much safer. These wheels and wheelbase are still tiny for road use.
The Pure Advance has same type of boards to stand on so not innovative also the Advance flex (which I have) folds much more compact, my concern is this goes 24 MPH / 39 KPH where as the Pure is same at a e bike 15.5 MPH and had built in lights and indicators
Taur had the parallel feet placement design before Pure.
I just saw a video titled Top 7 mistakes new scooter riders make and number 1 was incorrect and dangerous stance, which surprise, surprise was the one with parallel feet.
Depends on the scooter. This model allows the rider to stand further back, astride the rear wheel on individual foot stands, improving stability. Conventional scooters feature a deck between the front and rear wheel. A parallel stance in some cases would push the rider too far forward with a lack of longitudinal stability. Each stance has advantages and disadvantages but, in a lot of cases, a conventional 'skateboard' style stance is a more stable option.
It’s almost like a normal scooter has a platform that’s too narrow to stand on with your feet shoulder width apart.
Yes the Taur is safe and of course Jack is safe on it. After all he is an experienced driver, knows traffic, has passed at least one driving test and knows the Highway Code. Now wind that back to a 12 year old who has maybe not ridden a bike, hasn't passed any driving tests, has no traffic experience, is excited about the 25mph toy on which they are allowed to go anywhere, and probably can't be prosecuted for dangerous driving. How do you legislate for that ?
Anyone have any insight and advice on properly storing scooters if apartment dwelling and how to prevent possibility of fires. Thanks!
Why this one over a cheaper Pure model?
I think people will stop fearing micromobility vehicle batteries, especially in cheaper models, if sodium was used instead of lithium. Look to CATL for that tech. I think most of the money in sodium will be in micromobility for the first few years.
Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4 or LFP) are also a much safer chemistry to NMC or LiPO batteries. The main issue (at least here in Vancouver) is stolen scooters getting modified to take a non factory charger (as the charger generally doesn't come with the stolen scooter) and the non factory charger ends up igniting the battery.
These need to be legalised please and let them share the cycle lanes if it provides more safety on the roads. Sadly my only issue with them is just the UK ppl in general, getting it mugged off you by evil people in the streets is not for me. We're not a country where we can have nice things.
The feet placement for the scooter is wrong the reason most people ride with one foot in front of the other is because if you do fall you will fall face forward and it makes it more dangerous to turn because you don’t have as much balance as you would if you put your feet the normal way and you can’t do that with this scooter
3:30 "Not unlike the ride experience of an electric unicycle" Oh...THAT. Of course.
Will need to add peddles on that to make it an Ebike where I’m it for it to be usable