I've got my bike and I'm happy with it, but actually if you think of that scooter as a replacement for a car for shorter journeys then it really is so obviously good. Now here in the Netherlands space to use such a vehicle is not a big problem, but if the UK could just get its head around cleaner transport, converting some roads to cycle and scooter routes, this could be a great part of the plan.
They will still require all the trappings of non-electric scooters/mopeds. So, people have to get their heads around that. These are not a regulation-free form of transport.
@@AtheistEve I see them as akin to the electric bikes. They need categorisation and regulations. The problem for the UK seems to be a reluctance to move from "the car is the King of the road" mentality towards a greener attitude where the car is just one option and not even the best option for short journeys.
@@NickAskew The best we can hope for is for all the tax, insurance and MOTs to be set at a lower rate because of local emissions. But, if it’s anything like the electric car situation, the government will just terminate all incentives before the benefits can be fully felt.
It's not the scooters that are the problem, it's the way some people use them. As a wheelchair user, I have already had someone run into me and had another near miss. So not a big fan.
This applies to all modes of transport. Some people will operate them badly and cause collisions. Bikes/cars/even other wheelchairs occaisionally. And yes we want to discourage that by all of: enforcement of the rules, sensible rules in the first place, and infrastructure that keeps the three speeds of foot (0-4mph, bike(5-15mph) and car(20-60mph) segregated as much as possible.
You noted as a feature the foot pads....personally, I would prefer a larger deck to place my feet where I want them. One foot in front of the other would give you greater control against getting launched over the handlebars if you encounter an obstacle, and potentially more comfort. Other than that, it looks like a very nice vehicle!
Yeah the legal status of scooters is a strange one really. They're not explicitely banned, they're not allowed due to the wording of vehicle/tax/insurance laws which would be easy to fix with an exception. I loved your point that the law is holding back innovation and safety on these vehicles because who wants to buy expensive quality if it might be taken off you? On the point about fires. You didn't mention that most scooter fires happen indoors when charging. I follow a number of fire service accounts and they all have the same warnings against the batteries in these scooters burning people's houses down. I assume more expensive, higher quality batteries are the answer but still, that's another risk rn.
Most of the fires are caused by the incorrect charger being used, and the thing is left on charge all night! The better e-devices have a battery monitor built-in that turns the power down to a trickle, or completely off, when the battery nears full, or if the wrong charger is plugged in.
They could also get round the battery fire issue by bringing in some protectionism around e-scooters production. Make all of them in the UK with required safety standards.
The scooter itself is not dangerous if ridden responsibly but, let's face it, there are a lot of people out there using them with no road sense/awareness, and often a lack of regard for others. It's these people who are causing the problems for all those who want to ride scooters responsibly, and are holding back the potential benefits this form of transport could offer with some proper road segregation/management and sensible legislation.
I was looking for this comment - totally agree. Scooters are generally safe, it's a lot of the idiots riding them that make them unsafe unfortunately. No sense/awareness/respect as said.
Part of the reason there is so much poor scooter riding out there at the moment is due to the lack of regulation. I mean if they're illegal anyway then what does it matter if you go up kerbs and through red lights etc. Also a lot of teenagers ride them who have had no motorcycle or car training and maybe are not even used to riding a bike. Making them legal and introducing some basic highway code training in some way would help.
we all know that we're the only rational person and the rest of the world is idiots lmao.... Like it or not scooters are based on a skateboard platform, which is Inherently unstable and you get zero real exercise, unlike a bicycle....
@@nc3826 a scooter or skateboard is not anymore inherently unstable than a car or any other vehicle. All vehicles have different levels of stability even in the same category.
Is this company even for real. 1. No contact info on their website 2. They offer financing on the Taur 1 but when you select this option it says its not available 3. The kickstarter campaign ended im the summer with backers supposed to receive their scooters shortly after 4. No updates on the kickstarter page for months despite backers asking all the time 5. No update on their social media for months 6. Many backers have asked for refunds
Your on the money Jack!! The efficiency of travelling across London on electric skateboards using the protected cycle lanes is unbelievable. Yet it's probably more illegal than legal!! We wanted to take the skateboards to Paris for a fencing tournament, but Eurostar were scared of the batteries. Surely, a fire resistant compartment (happy to pay extra) would mitigate this small risk! They would have no issues with a mobility scooter or electric bike! That scooter looks great value. Unfortunately, if there's a risk of it being confiscated by the police, the cheaper option is more compelling!! The potential to cut down on my car journeys (currently combustion) or avoid city centres is compelling! I just wish parliament would do a days work!!
If we want micro mobility in Cities then I'm sure looking at how the Netherlands do it would be a start. Their infrastructure for public transport and bike lanes is a template for all 😍
The whole Micro mobility idea needs a legislative rethink. You have to register and pass a test to fly heavier drones so I'm sure someone can make a few quid registering and testing people for e-scooters and the like. Maybe a two stage test like they have to motorbikes, first test allows up to 15mph then the second to get you 25... maybe... I guess pushbikes can get up to 25 fairly easily. Oh and allow them to go the same places as pushbikes, keep them off footpaths.
The stereotypes aren't about the E-Scooters themselves - they are about the arseholes who ride them without consideration for others. If they are to be made legal then the riders should be obliged to take a formal test before being allowed to ride them, and the scooters should be registered just like cars and motorcycles
Too many inexperienced road users on the scooters is the main issue for me, they take far too many chances on the road and lot of them do not wear helmets, lights etc
Being able to go as fast as traffic is safer for the rider when they are in traffic. It is not safer for children, old age pensioners and other people who share the pavements with riders of these scooters who may lack the agility or the awareness to jump out of the way of them.
I see few problems with e-scooters. They are too slow for traffic, and too fast for side walks. You can fix one of those and make a fast e-scooter but then it will be even more unsuitable for use on side walks. For example in Poland there was a big public outcry after a chain of accidents involving e-scooters ramming into people on sidewalks, and kids riding them very unsafely. The other thing is the batteries. They are quite substantial. A big battery is a big fire hazard. I wince when I hear about people charging their e-bike or e-scooters in their living rooms or bedrooms. If that thing goes into flames your place will burn to the ground. That is also the reason why you cannot take it into a tube (and why you are limited to 100kWh batteries on airplanes). The risk of fire is small for good quality products, but if we are talking about mass adoption that risk spreads over a lot of people and some accidents bound to happen. Discussing how to charge EVs safely should be an important topic. I would never consider buying an e-bike, e-scooter or other small EV with a battery that is build in and not easily removable for charging. If the battery is removable you can more easily find a safe charging solution: bat-safe box (double walled metal box, with venting holes) or a good quality battery-bag (special non-flammable kevlar bag).
@@t.terrell7037 regular bicycles are quite safe, foldable ones are compact enough to take into public transport. No batteries, no worries. They are also fast and stable enough to be used on roads safely. E-scorers aren't bad, but I don't think their place is on the sidewalk or the road. They should be used on cycle paths. As I mentioned before, charging big batteries indoors makes me nervous. I might be paranoid about it but I think people do no take into consideration how dangerous those batteries are. I don't hear enough about having a safe charging spot outside or at least a proper safe charging box in videos about micro EVs. Other option is to buy something that uses LiFe batteries. Those are less fragile and don't go in flames. The drawback is less power density, I think they only hold half the capacity per unit of weight compared to LiIon batteries.
If these we legal on the road, I could drop it into the boot of my car and have it available to do last mile journeys in larger congested towns. That’s much easier than having to fold the seats down to make room for a bicycle.
It's not a ped though. Its power output exceeds a legal e bike (that's another topic altogether!) So it's really a motorbike. It's not the fine that's the issue but the points and 5+ years of impacting your car insurance for riding a motorbike with no insurance. Add on the optional points for unlicenced vehicle, no safety gear, non type rated etc.
@@djtaylorutube For its speed it should be EU moped class (45 km/h max) but UK is not in EU anymore so I guess they have to make up their own mind about what it is.
Oh dear, that’d be me then. Always wear a helmet. Mainly wear high vis. Never ride on the pavement. Don’t run the lights (unlike many cyclists). Zero inclination to swipe old ladies’ handbags - if that’s what you’re getting at. Enjoy a great, fresh air, commute. Don’t buy what you read in the Daily Mail!
The fact my e-bike is limited to less than this scooter makes me mad. Not at Jack or the EES but the idiots that make the rules. Reduce urban speed limits to 20mph and let us travel at the same speed to avoid driver frustration and poor overtaking.
Hi Jack. Have you thought about covering the Pure Advanced + or Pure Advanced Flex on the channel? They are similar products and their release is not subject to a Kickstarter campaign.
The tyres are not significantly bigger than the rental scooter you're comparing it with. 20 mph is NOT EVEN REMOTELY enough to "keep up with traffic". No scooter is anwhere nearly as safe on roadways as the most unsafe bicycle (it's physics and a matter of speed, stability and control). IP55 is NOT "waterproof", it's somewhat water-resistant. Sorry, I can't finish a video with so much disinformation.
Absolutely agree with you. They should be legalised. If you can ride one of those hire scooters then what’s the difference.if it were your own scooter it wouldn’t be dumped on a pavement somewhere where you can trip on it as is the case with the ones you hire you would keep it with you. The only thing would say is there would have to be an age limit or you need a motorbike or car license to ride it on a public road. With some form of liability insurance. 7:12
The UK government missed a trick on these. They should have been legalised and at 20-25mph to be safe on the roads. I would say what we need is you can only ride one on paths where pedestrians are a maximum of 10mph and on roads 25mph. Be insured and must have a training certificate like the CBT for 16 year olds on 50cc motorcycles. That way people cant moan about safety, government are happy as they'll get a bit of revenue that they will lose when people get out of cars on to the scooters and people's health would be much better.
Just went from a Segway ES scooter to Apollo Air and I've been amazed at the subtle design differences and how much they improve quality of ride. You guys should have the most fun with micromobility
In my experience, as with bicycles, it's the rider that's the problem. Driven in accordance with the highway code, they are no different to a bicycle except you don't have to pedal it.
Physics differ..... Like it or not scooters are based on a skateboard platform, which is Inherently unstable and you get zero real exercise, unlike a bicycle.... And everybody does something stupid occasionally, but on a unstable platform It has much worse consequences....
Make sure when buying an e-scooter that you start off slow for the first few weeks, either with a slow scooter like this, or if you buy a higher performance scooter then still stay under 20mph (12kph) for a few weeks until you are fully comfortable with it. I think the reason there were so many accidents when rental scooters became a thing was because people assumed they knew how to ride one, and yeah they aren't hard, but when a challenging situation presents itself if you don't have a bit of experience you can panic and crash just like a new bike rider. It's best if that happens at a speed that you can jump off and run rather than at higher speeds. Do lots of research, not all scooters are created equal, and some are downright useless. Make sure the scooter you buy meets your commuting (or play) needs. Realize that websites exaggerate the speed and especially the range of the scooter. Normally you will only get about 60% of the stated range under real world conditions. Make sure you get a scooter that matches your commute and can handle your body weight. If you have hills on your commute that's a huge consideration, and it's going to massively impact which scooter you buy as not all scooters can handle hills, while others could practically climb a wall if the wheels would stick to it. Realize that affiliate reviewers are paid to sell scooters. There's nothing wrong with that, but treat affiliate reviews as you would a car salesman. Great for facts, but be careful of the sunshine on your bottom.
Really bonkers that the U.K. still hasn’t sorted the legal status more than a decade after they were experimenting with them at the Olympic park, and more than 5 years after they started the rental schemes. Let’s see…Treat them like bikes and e-bikes. Job done. Really wasn’t hard. Here in NZ electric scooters are extremely common around cities and no one had any issues with them using bike lanes or safely being in the road
only issue i can see with this is the round tube going down the centre. should make it rectangle and flat, slightly wider middle to fit all the electronics and battery and can still have the sides fold up if needed for storage. this would allow for movement on the scooter and ability to change position rather than staying in one set stance. would be much safer for rider too.
Taur 2 is definitely a great improvement over V1, shame the indicators weren’t demonstrated. As to the “unique to taur” stance, pure electric do the pure advance which is the same stance style of scooter just with 10 inch wheels and one version literally folds in half too so it’s tiny. It was developed in Bristol ironically where this Taur review was shot 😂 once legalised be interesting to see how the advance and taur do…
No matter how good, how well-designed, how careful the owner is; that scooter is still illegal in NSW, Australia. Don't you just love politicians who are unable to understand how the world is changing?
I’ve got to ask - is this video just a brazen way of challenging the powers that be. “Here’s a thing that is technically illegal. I’m going to do it and put it on UA-cam. Let’s see if anything happens.” I totally agree if that is the case. Good job. The law is an ass!
At the beginning you said it was untrue that we'd all be better off on bicycles but you never substantiated that claim other than by asserting that this folds better than a folding bike. I'd say we would all be better off on bicycles.
In some cases a bicycle would be preferable. In other cases not. This is not about scooters vs bicycles! In overcrowded cities where many people live in shared houses and flats, a compact, foldable personal transport solution like a scooter has many advantages over a bicycle. Foldable bicycles are complicated, expensive and relatively slow for most non-lycra clad people.
Great video Jack. Covered all the key points. I commuted on 750W eScooter for a year pre covid and it was great. Sold it though when there were increasing reports of fines and points. Madness. Good to see more micro mobility vids and not just cars. :D
I like it, as a motorcycle guy, I'm very curious about the side by side stance, I live in a rural area so I'd need more speed and would prefer suspension, I do like the wheel size though. I see this style of scooter gaining traction in the market.
This would be great for me to pop down the hill into my local town and, more importantly, up the hill and back home again. Right now, I either walk (2 hour round trip) or drive in a big car. C'mon moron UK givt, wake up and make these things legal. Looks like a well designed piece of kit too.
tread is the part of the tire that is making contact with the ground, whether it has a profile or is uniform aka slick. There is no such thing and treadless tires. You'd be running on the carcass
Well said young man. The dithering on micromobility legislation has gone on far too long. Just one tiny quibble. I'm not sure how much 'healthier' scooter users are. It's not active transport in the way that walking, cycling or even e-biking is. Probably good for mental health, but no more. Not sure if anyone has studied it yet (They have studied e-bikes and found that users get about 2/3rds of the benefit of cycling an 'acoustic' bike, which is more than most would expect).
@@hamshackleton sorry - that was a typo for 2/3rds (now fixed). And yes 'acoustic bike' is a slightly wry term for we used to just call a bike, but increasingly the e-bike is going to become the default bike (it already is in some countries for new bikes), so it becomes increasingly necessary to be clear when you specifically mean a 'manual', or non-electric bike.
I ride EUCs (Electric Unicycles), and I do get out of breath when riding faster, it's all core strength and balance muscles, it's not cardio, but it's not nothing. The main health benefit is when you consider that the alternative would be a combustion car for most, then you have to compare me pouring out tailpipe emissions for you to breath in, or me scooting alongside you, both happy with our respective, legal, choices. When it's framed like that - and I think it should be - scooters are as much for potential car drivers as they are bike alternatives - less cars is better, whether you consider a scooter exercise or not.
@@brushlessmotoring You are right that most micromobility requires more effort than car driving. EUC and one-wheels are at the 'more work' (and skill) end of things. Scooter-riding is pretty much just turning the handlebars with a smidge of balance. The main reason they are popular is that nearly anyone can learn to drive one in less than a minute. (i.e it's _waay_ easier to learn than riding a bike). And yes obviously all micromobility is much better than car-sized EVs on a space, materials-use, energy-use, noise, cost and road-danger basis. And all EVs (even car-sized ones) are way better than ICE vehicles on a pollution basis (although rental scooters can have surprisingly poor emissions numbers due to people driving round to collect/charge/distribute them in ICEVs, and the very high attritions rates). So yes more micromobility is a very good thing. Not quite such a good thing as cycling, but all not-a-car choices are progress (including public transport and walking).
Well. I commute regularly on my illegal one & can vouch for catching many less germs & lurgs as a direct result of not cramming into a packed train. So there’s that kind of healthier, for sure.
Had ya not left the EU I'm pretty sure there would been rules around this. Here in SWE things like this, including Electric bicycles are limited to 20 - 22 km/h or 20 + 10%... 24 mph seem a bit much... might not be dangerous to those of us whom grown up on bicycles, inlines, people that are active and used to all sorts of personal transportation, but problem is when average Joe get these things or kids. Heck, I have only tried electric scooters once, and it was scary at first mainly because the handle bars are so sort and tight it feels a bit wobbly at first, once I got in to it, I had no issue but yeah... Personally, if I got any electric thing like this it would be a EUC (One Wheel)... 100+ mile range on some of them and you get a bit more of a workout on them... plus they can basically ride over anything, people take them up and down stairs, over lawns, offroad... they are incredible. Downside is they cost a lot and 90% of all of these come from China and its hard to know how much support you'll have once you get one, changing a wheel for example seem tricky... Anyway, thats the dream for me right now, have one of them things! :D But I could get a decent used car for that kinda money... 3 - 5k Euro's. People ride these things doing 40 mph or more... seems the US is in a similar situation where these things are kinda illegal as well. Some states might have rules around them...
I'm a big EUC rider and fan of them too - minor correction, OneWheel is a slightly different beast to an EUC, not as fast, different stance. If you get a smaller EUC wheel like the Inmotion V10F, it's not as pricey, much lighter, but still powerful enough for hills, not crazy fast - for me that is the perfect 'micromobility' e-wheel, after that, you get into a different class of long distance or high speed racing wheels - crazy fun, but also expensive and heavy. V10F is 30 miles of real range I believe, at around 25 mph top speed.
Thanks. I agree that aprox 20 miles or 30-35 km/h are safer than only e-assist up to 25 km/h on electric bikes and trikes. With your influence you could tell European authorities that 30-35 km/h with e-assist is safer for most people. This could be used by grown up people that can make up their minds themselves what speed is the safest in their commuting. And I think more peple would use an e-bike or trike for commuting instead of a big car, for example with all weather protection, if they could keep on some better with other traffic on open roads and use less time on their commute. Best Regards from Norway.
The question has to be does the rental scooter companies have any connections with a Tory minister or MP? That's how the Tories work, grease my palm and we will make sure you have a monopoly, we all know it's true.
This scooter is a serious safety hazard, not only for the one using it, but also for the ones he/she/it will crash into face forward when emergency braking. Dont believe everything a paid advertiser tells you!
That is beautiful. but £800 when it is illegal yeh amazing they will pay the fine but then those 6 points impact your car insurance and motorbike insurance and hire car potential. Just can't take the risk at that price. I absolutely love that.
With Wales introducing a mandatory 20 mph limit and other sheeple authorities expected to follow. Then personal clean operating low carbon transport should be allowed the same way other modes are transport. Using public (affordable?) Transport is fine, but how about elderly persons with age related mobility issues traveling the last mile home up a hillside! Travel in a heavy and wide FOUR wheel mobility transport and so called dedicated two wheel cycles is ok on pedestrian paths but NOT for E scooter. MAKE SENSE? YET THE GOVERNMENT HAS MADE AT LEAST ONE MULTI MILLIONAIRE OUT OF OUR TAXES HOUSING BENEFIT CLAIMANTS.! YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE ?
I have been commuting on one of my 2 e scooters for 3 years. Ok I live in Copenhagen where we have bike lanes everywhere. Only take my bike when having a drink as we can get points on the driving license if stopped on a motorized vehicle under the influence. Big decent e scooters with suspension, beefy tires are a decent amount of power are safer to ride than the standard ones. Better breaks, power to get up hills etc. my big scooter does 50kmh and has a range of about 50km. It is like having a moped that you can fold up and take into the office. UK needs to sort out the stupid laws around this great micro mobility solution. Use a helmet at all times, mine has built in indicators as you need to keep to hands on the steering.
Hotwells and the basin,fab place to live,nice 6 miler through Liegh Woods over the bridge and down the steps back into Hotwells in enough time for a pint in the Rose of denmark on the corner 😊
@JackScarlett1 Simple and safe re-legislation for e-scooter riders: Entry points for usage - Helmet, 18+, High-Viz vest. £10 annual rider registration & induction process and code of conduct as it is for **ALL** drone operators. Highway Code amendments to suit. Additional legislation could include: Standard approval processes on the quality of scooters / manufacturers leading to a complete ban on poor quality imported "fireball" shooters. Approved battery unit design / cell manufacture, certified IP55 vehicles only. That's exactly what I pitched to central government, local government and local police SLT pre-pandemic. Obviously you could go completely bonkers on the detailed legislation side but a simple registration fee would cover the costs of administration.
I hate riding with my feet in same position. If I stand one foot in front other foot behind. I have more control I need to bend my legs I feel safer that way
hm, I could drive a personally owned e-scooter in my country, but if this is 750W continous power, this one is marginally illegal here too. They're supposed to be limited to 600W and 25km/h, or else there's no place for them on the street. Curiously, if there's no bike track or path to drive on, one is supposed to go on the pavement (!!!) w it, not on a road unless there's actually no pavement at all, opposite of a bike, electric or not. No idea what genius in the parliament came up w that differentiation...
A 24mph e-scooter is never going to be legal, that's only 4mph slower than a moped which needs a driving license, cannot be ridden in cycle lanes or shared paths, has parking restrictions, needs registration, insurance, MOT etc. It's going to be 12.5mph or if a higher standard of construction is required maybe 15.5mph same as e-bicycles. I really doubt it's safer, certainly if it's used by unaccountable riders, motorcycles have a higher casualty rate both to themselves and to pedestrians than bicycles, even in places where the speed limit is 20.
It’s not just the e-scooters it’s who rides them and what happens in terms of collisions and who is liable. They need to sort that out. Are they a class of micro-mobility that is allowed only on roads and cycle lanes? Should they be allowed on shared paths and bridleways? The cycling infrastructure is appalling in the UK - treated as something tacked on to what we have already. That needs to be sorted out as part of a proper transport policy in this country that is so car centric.
Yes scooters should be legal like an E-bike ( 250w & 15.5 mph) , but would need indicators too . But 24mph/500w on cycle lanes shared with pedestrians isn't good . Why not add a seat & you could have it as a legal moped now, cheap to tax & insure AND you can get a numberplate, a licenses ,keep your blood alcohol down & a proper helmet & get respect when you ride on the road .
Yes the Taur is safe and of course Jack is safe on it. After all he is an experienced driver, knows traffic, has passed at least one driving test and knows the Highway Code. Now wind that back to a 12 year old who has maybe not ridden a bike, hasn't passed any driving tests, has no traffic experience, is excited about the 25mph toy on which they are allowed to go anywhere, and probably can't be prosecuted for dangerous driving. How do you legislate for that ?
I think people will stop fearing micromobility vehicle batteries, especially in cheaper models, if sodium was used instead of lithium. Look to CATL for that tech. I think most of the money in sodium will be in micromobility for the first few years.
Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4 or LFP) are also a much safer chemistry to NMC or LiPO batteries. The main issue (at least here in Vancouver) is stolen scooters getting modified to take a non factory charger (as the charger generally doesn't come with the stolen scooter) and the non factory charger ends up igniting the battery.
That piece of crap forces one to ride with feet side by side, which is improper riding technique and is therefore inherently dangerous by design. Need look no further than that to reject. Highly irresponsible to promote. For all those new to e-scooters, steer clear. Cannot over emphasize the folly of this design. (There is a reason it mostly disappeared years ago.) Proper riding requires shifting weight front to back and side to side in a surfer stance, impossible with this design, which will prevent newer riders from ever becoming safe, competent riders. Dangerous garbage made by people who do not ride. The reason they are putting this forward is, it is probably cheaper to make this way. That doesn't make it safer. In fact, the opposite. Must to avoid.
These kickstarter thing are a bit... You know they could go under in a heart beat. You probably are way better off with electric brompton. It's legal too in UK..
Sorry, but you don't mention the danger to pedestrians. They would be ok if they were restricted to 4 mph or so unless licensed, insured and with registration plates. These must require some sort of driving license that can be revoked for dangerous riders. They must have lights that are on whenever they are powered up. Don't get me wrong, I have an EV, solar panels and batteries so am into the 'green thing'. But without some form of control, these are extremely dangerous vehicles. Many riders do not adhere to any road laws, treat pedestrians as an annoyance and are not insured or traceable. Let's address the elephant in the room, while these may be a good form of urban transport, until these are covered by training requirements, licensing, insurance and identification they are a menace.
These need to be legalised please and let them share the cycle lanes if it provides more safety on the roads. Sadly my only issue with them is just the UK ppl in general, getting it mugged off you by evil people in the streets is not for me. We're not a country where we can have nice things.
Sorry but I think you are too quick to say they should be legalised and let there be a free for all. Currently with them being illegal there are already too many scenarios where people ride them dangerously. You say that you want to fight misinformation but then you completely trivialise this problem, there are lots of differences between a private e-scooter and the rental ones. - Does your e-scooter have gps tracking on it that limits your speed when you are in a pedestrianised area? - Is your e-scooter insured? - Is your e-scooter regularly checked and maintained to make sure it is road capable? - Is your e-scooter registered to an individual such that, if its involved in an accident, it can be traced back to the responsible owner? This is not an unbiased, informative video. It is an opinion piece that disregards many safety issues.
When they are authorized people ride them on side walks, walkways, which is awful. If you’re going to ride on the ride, you need something much safer. These wheels and wheelbase are still tiny for road use.
The legalities are ridiculous as is trying to convince me this scooter is meanigfully better than the one you compared it to, bigger wheels? By how many millimeters? Regardless the closeness of the front wheel to the rider is just as big a problem which will send you over the handle bars if you brake hard enough at speed.
I like the scooter and I would get one if they were legal, but their not. Until they are legalised for public roads, they should be banned and enforced. The amount of stupid people I see riding them, children and adults alike is unreal. I'm surprised there are more deaths. They will need to be taxed, insured and the riders will have to prove they are atlest competent to ride them properly first.
The problem is simple but there is no real solution. You cant use it on the sidewalk because it is too dangerous for the pedestrians and you cant use it on the road because it is too dangerous for you. It is like a more dangerous bicycle. Not to mention of that almost all pothole is there where the bicycles and scooters should be. The side of the roads are the most damaged part of the road. Lots of potholes are dangerous even for the bicycles with much biggers wheels, even for a 26 inch mountain bike.
3:42 you talk about a unique ride experience unlike a unicycle... wtf you talking about a unicycle? first of all if you were talking about a one wheel'ed then it has the same foot flaps as your scooter.
Looking forward to the day when they are not just legal but the batteries are all LFP or others that don't ignite so they can be allowed back on the tube and trains. As a last mile solution for those without a train station on their doorstep they are the best. And for a those with mobility issues but aren't wheelchair bound they are a lifeline that's currently illegal, keeping them trapped in their home unless they have assistance.
Small correction folks, rear motor is 750W not 750KW. Imagine!
Lets have lots more on micro-mobility please.
Wheelie like a mo fo
Surely a review on a 750kW scooter would just be 10 mins of terrified screaming!! 😁
Jack, can you start a fashion insta or something, I want all the clothes you wear 😂
@@robcole5805 One would assume, yes! Probably not wrong! :D
I've got my bike and I'm happy with it, but actually if you think of that scooter as a replacement for a car for shorter journeys then it really is so obviously good. Now here in the Netherlands space to use such a vehicle is not a big problem, but if the UK could just get its head around cleaner transport, converting some roads to cycle and scooter routes, this could be a great part of the plan.
They will still require all the trappings of non-electric scooters/mopeds. So, people have to get their heads around that. These are not a regulation-free form of transport.
@@AtheistEve I see them as akin to the electric bikes. They need categorisation and regulations. The problem for the UK seems to be a reluctance to move from "the car is the King of the road" mentality towards a greener attitude where the car is just one option and not even the best option for short journeys.
@@NickAskew The best we can hope for is for all the tax, insurance and MOTs to be set at a lower rate because of local emissions. But, if it’s anything like the electric car situation, the government will just terminate all incentives before the benefits can be fully felt.
Also dead useful to hop onto the train. The issue however is that most train operators don't allow them
@@waqasahmed939 yeah but arent public transport government funded, so laws need to change already
Totally agree they should be legal now. If they were, I'd put an order in for a Taur tomorrow.
Yup. Taur's willingness to pay your fine is nice but they can't exactly absolve any point on the licence :(
Great to see the focus on micro-mobility. In one way or another, this a big part of the future. Really good area for the show
It's not the scooters that are the problem, it's the way some people use them. As a wheelchair user, I have already had someone run into me and had another near miss. So not a big fan.
This applies to all modes of transport. Some people will operate them badly and cause collisions. Bikes/cars/even other wheelchairs occaisionally. And yes we want to discourage that by all of: enforcement of the rules, sensible rules in the first place, and infrastructure that keeps the three speeds of foot (0-4mph, bike(5-15mph) and car(20-60mph) segregated as much as possible.
You noted as a feature the foot pads....personally, I would prefer a larger deck to place my feet where I want them. One foot in front of the other would give you greater control against getting launched over the handlebars if you encounter an obstacle, and potentially more comfort. Other than that, it looks like a very nice vehicle!
Totally agree with you..
One foot in front of the other is a must for emergency breaking
@@dronurergunShould NOT be traveling so FAST as to require an emergency stop !. BE AWARE OF OTHERS NEEDS
Ability to move/change position is paramount for comfort for me... why my ebike is awful on my knees.
@@dronurergunbreaking is what happens after you crash
Yeah the legal status of scooters is a strange one really. They're not explicitely banned, they're not allowed due to the wording of vehicle/tax/insurance laws which would be easy to fix with an exception. I loved your point that the law is holding back innovation and safety on these vehicles because who wants to buy expensive quality if it might be taken off you?
On the point about fires. You didn't mention that most scooter fires happen indoors when charging. I follow a number of fire service accounts and they all have the same warnings against the batteries in these scooters burning people's houses down. I assume more expensive, higher quality batteries are the answer but still, that's another risk rn.
Most of the fires are caused by the incorrect charger being used, and the thing is left on charge all night! The better e-devices have a battery monitor built-in that turns the power down to a trickle, or completely off, when the battery nears full, or if the wrong charger is plugged in.
They could also get round the battery fire issue by bringing in some protectionism around e-scooters production. Make all of them in the UK with required safety standards.
Yeah, cheap = no real BMS = no overcharge detection/prevention = 🔥
@@hamshackletonare you in the UK or the States? Was wondering if you know of any good brands that have the feature you mentioned?
And if you own it you won't be leaving it lying across a public sidewalk in the way of everyone.
The scooter itself is not dangerous if ridden responsibly but, let's face it, there are a lot of people out there using them with no road sense/awareness, and often a lack of regard for others. It's these people who are causing the problems for all those who want to ride scooters responsibly, and are holding back the potential benefits this form of transport could offer with some proper road segregation/management and sensible legislation.
I was looking for this comment - totally agree. Scooters are generally safe, it's a lot of the idiots riding them that make them unsafe unfortunately. No sense/awareness/respect as said.
Part of the reason there is so much poor scooter riding out there at the moment is due to the lack of regulation. I mean if they're illegal anyway then what does it matter if you go up kerbs and through red lights etc. Also a lot of teenagers ride them who have had no motorcycle or car training and maybe are not even used to riding a bike. Making them legal and introducing some basic highway code training in some way would help.
@@yips_waybut these idiots are currently just driving cars instead, which is even less safe...
we all know that we're the only rational person and the rest of the world is idiots lmao....
Like it or not scooters are based on a skateboard platform, which is Inherently unstable and you get zero real exercise, unlike a bicycle....
@@nc3826 a scooter or skateboard is not anymore inherently unstable than a car or any other vehicle. All vehicles have different levels of stability even in the same category.
Is this company even for real.
1. No contact info on their website
2. They offer financing on the Taur 1 but when you select this option it says its not available
3. The kickstarter campaign ended im the summer with backers supposed to receive their scooters shortly after
4. No updates on the kickstarter page for months despite backers asking all the time
5. No update on their social media for months
6. Many backers have asked for refunds
Scooters arn't dangerous, the people on it are.
Your on the money Jack!! The efficiency of travelling across London on electric skateboards using the protected cycle lanes is unbelievable. Yet it's probably more illegal than legal!! We wanted to take the skateboards to Paris for a fencing tournament, but Eurostar were scared of the batteries. Surely, a fire resistant compartment (happy to pay extra) would mitigate this small risk! They would have no issues with a mobility scooter or electric bike! That scooter looks great value. Unfortunately, if there's a risk of it being confiscated by the police, the cheaper option is more compelling!! The potential to cut down on my car journeys (currently combustion) or avoid city centres is compelling! I just wish parliament would do a days work!!
Re confiscation, yep, that's precisely why we're paying people's fines AND replacing units free of charge if they're confiscated by police :)
Make sure companies are communicative before you buy from them. This one isn't!
If we want micro mobility in Cities then I'm sure looking at how the Netherlands do it would be a start.
Their infrastructure for public transport and bike lanes is a template for all 😍
The whole Micro mobility idea needs a legislative rethink. You have to register and pass a test to fly heavier drones so I'm sure someone can make a few quid registering and testing people for e-scooters and the like.
Maybe a two stage test like they have to motorbikes, first test allows up to 15mph then the second to get you 25... maybe... I guess pushbikes can get up to 25 fairly easily.
Oh and allow them to go the same places as pushbikes, keep them off footpaths.
and fit front, rear, and stop-lights!
My pedal cycle can do 40mph, but only down hill. 15mph on the flat is more realistic unless your a fit athlete that is.
The Pure Air Advance has the gull wing foot pads...going back to your Electroheads roots Jack?
The stereotypes aren't about the E-Scooters themselves - they are about the arseholes who ride them without consideration for others. If they are to be made legal then the riders should be obliged to take a formal test before being allowed to ride them, and the scooters should be registered just like cars and motorcycles
Too many inexperienced road users on the scooters is the main issue for me, they take far too many chances on the road and lot of them do not wear helmets, lights etc
That could be said for car drivers!
Completely agree with your comment about keeping up with traffic. Thank you for highlighting this.
Being able to go as fast as traffic is safer for the rider when they are in traffic. It is not safer for children, old age pensioners and other people who share the pavements with riders of these scooters who may lack the agility or the awareness to jump out of the way of them.
man i could never live in the UK with the bullshit scooter laws
Agree with all of this. Great video. But I still can’t buy one with the legal risks attached. I can’t afford to lose that much money.
Re confiscation, yep, that's precisely why we're paying people's fines AND replacing units free of charge if they're confiscated by police :)
it cost 150 to get it back 😮
I see few problems with e-scooters. They are too slow for traffic, and too fast for side walks. You can fix one of those and make a fast e-scooter but then it will be even more unsuitable for use on side walks. For example in Poland there was a big public outcry after a chain of accidents involving e-scooters ramming into people on sidewalks, and kids riding them very unsafely.
The other thing is the batteries. They are quite substantial. A big battery is a big fire hazard. I wince when I hear about people charging their e-bike or e-scooters in their living rooms or bedrooms. If that thing goes into flames your place will burn to the ground. That is also the reason why you cannot take it into a tube (and why you are limited to 100kWh batteries on airplanes).
The risk of fire is small for good quality products, but if we are talking about mass adoption that risk spreads over a lot of people and some accidents bound to happen. Discussing how to charge EVs safely should be an important topic. I would never consider buying an e-bike, e-scooter or other small EV with a battery that is build in and not easily removable for charging. If the battery is removable you can more easily find a safe charging solution: bat-safe box (double walled metal box, with venting holes) or a good quality battery-bag (special non-flammable kevlar bag).
Any suggestions for other safe modes of micro mobility?
@@t.terrell7037 regular bicycles are quite safe, foldable ones are compact enough to take into public transport. No batteries, no worries. They are also fast and stable enough to be used on roads safely.
E-scorers aren't bad, but I don't think their place is on the sidewalk or the road. They should be used on cycle paths.
As I mentioned before, charging big batteries indoors makes me nervous. I might be paranoid about it but I think people do no take into consideration how dangerous those batteries are. I don't hear enough about having a safe charging spot outside or at least a proper safe charging box in videos about micro EVs.
Other option is to buy something that uses LiFe batteries. Those are less fragile and don't go in flames. The drawback is less power density, I think they only hold half the capacity per unit of weight compared to LiIon batteries.
If these we legal on the road, I could drop it into the boot of my car and have it available to do last mile journeys in larger congested towns. That’s much easier than having to fold the seats down to make room for a bicycle.
Yes, make it legal, as long as you have a drivers license of some kind. It is a moped.
It's not a ped though. Its power output exceeds a legal e bike (that's another topic altogether!) So it's really a motorbike.
It's not the fine that's the issue but the points and 5+ years of impacting your car insurance for riding a motorbike with no insurance. Add on the optional points for unlicenced vehicle, no safety gear, non type rated etc.
@@djtaylorutube For its speed it should be EU moped class (45 km/h max) but UK is not in EU anymore so I guess they have to make up their own mind about what it is.
This video won me over to the pro-scooter side. I used to think they were stupid before.
Wait, that rental scooter's wheels are basically the same size. I know some are smaller, but you picked a bad example.
The wrong kind of people use them in London. That’s the problem.
Oh dear, that’d be me then. Always wear a helmet. Mainly wear high vis. Never ride on the pavement. Don’t run the lights (unlike many cyclists). Zero inclination to swipe old ladies’ handbags - if that’s what you’re getting at. Enjoy a great, fresh air, commute. Don’t buy what you read in the Daily Mail!
The fact my e-bike is limited to less than this scooter makes me mad. Not at Jack or the EES but the idiots that make the rules. Reduce urban speed limits to 20mph and let us travel at the same speed to avoid driver frustration and poor overtaking.
Couldn't agree more.
Hi Jack. Have you thought about covering the Pure Advanced + or Pure Advanced Flex on the channel? They are similar products and their release is not subject to a Kickstarter campaign.
The tyres are not significantly bigger than the rental scooter you're comparing it with. 20 mph is NOT EVEN REMOTELY enough to "keep up with traffic". No scooter is anwhere nearly as safe on roadways as the most unsafe bicycle (it's physics and a matter of speed, stability and control). IP55 is NOT "waterproof", it's somewhat water-resistant. Sorry, I can't finish a video with so much disinformation.
20mph around and in town is safe if the speed limit is 20mph and enforced.
@@ratbert1Yes to 20 mph
Which one makes you the most fat once you have given up the burden of walking and most bodily movements?
Absolutely agree with you. They should be legalised. If you can ride one of those hire scooters then what’s the difference.if it were your own scooter it wouldn’t be dumped on a pavement somewhere where you can trip on it as is the case with the ones you hire you would keep it with you. The only thing would say is there would have to be an age limit or you need a motorbike or car license to ride it on a public road. With some form of liability insurance. 7:12
The UK government missed a trick on these. They should have been legalised and at 20-25mph to be safe on the roads. I would say what we need is you can only ride one on paths where pedestrians are a maximum of 10mph and on roads 25mph. Be insured and must have a training certificate like the CBT for 16 year olds on 50cc motorcycles. That way people cant moan about safety, government are happy as they'll get a bit of revenue that they will lose when people get out of cars on to the scooters and people's health would be much better.
Just went from a Segway ES scooter to Apollo Air and I've been amazed at the subtle design differences and how much they improve quality of ride. You guys should have the most fun with micromobility
Did you need to change a tire on Apollo air? I heard it's a nightmare and literally impossible to do just by yourself.
In my experience, as with bicycles, it's the rider that's the problem. Driven in accordance with the highway code, they are no different to a bicycle except you don't have to pedal it.
Physics differ..... Like it or not scooters are based on a skateboard platform, which is Inherently unstable and you get zero real exercise, unlike a bicycle....
And everybody does something stupid occasionally, but on a unstable platform It has much worse consequences....
Let's pressure the government to legalize the e scooter faster, we need them to pe legal ✌️
Make sure when buying an e-scooter that you start off slow for the first few weeks, either with a slow scooter like this, or if you buy a higher performance scooter then still stay under 20mph (12kph) for a few weeks until you are fully comfortable with it. I think the reason there were so many accidents when rental scooters became a thing was because people assumed they knew how to ride one, and yeah they aren't hard, but when a challenging situation presents itself if you don't have a bit of experience you can panic and crash just like a new bike rider. It's best if that happens at a speed that you can jump off and run rather than at higher speeds.
Do lots of research, not all scooters are created equal, and some are downright useless. Make sure the scooter you buy meets your commuting (or play) needs. Realize that websites exaggerate the speed and especially the range of the scooter. Normally you will only get about 60% of the stated range under real world conditions. Make sure you get a scooter that matches your commute and can handle your body weight. If you have hills on your commute that's a huge consideration, and it's going to massively impact which scooter you buy as not all scooters can handle hills, while others could practically climb a wall if the wheels would stick to it.
Realize that affiliate reviewers are paid to sell scooters. There's nothing wrong with that, but treat affiliate reviews as you would a car salesman. Great for facts, but be careful of the sunshine on your bottom.
Wonder how many cars could easily be taken off the road if these were legalised?
@@benson5967 more like 4
looks great but still illegal in the eyes of the law so cannot justify throwing the money away to take a chance of not getting caught.....
The rental is legal because they make $ off it obviously
Really bonkers that the U.K. still hasn’t sorted the legal status more than a decade after they were experimenting with them at the Olympic park, and more than 5 years after they started the rental schemes.
Let’s see…Treat them like bikes and e-bikes. Job done. Really wasn’t hard.
Here in NZ electric scooters are extremely common around cities and no one had any issues with them using bike lanes or safely being in the road
only issue i can see with this is the round tube going down the centre. should make it rectangle and flat, slightly wider middle to fit all the electronics and battery and can still have the sides fold up if needed for storage. this would allow for movement on the scooter and ability to change position rather than staying in one set stance. would be much safer for rider too.
Taur 2 is definitely a great improvement over V1, shame the indicators weren’t demonstrated. As to the “unique to taur” stance, pure electric do the pure advance which is the same stance style of scooter just with 10 inch wheels and one version literally folds in half too so it’s tiny. It was developed in Bristol ironically where this Taur review was shot 😂 once legalised be interesting to see how the advance and taur do…
Yep, our design was certainly 'popular', shall we say. It's rapidly becoming the industry standard for most brands launching new scooters now.
When you say it’s ‘your design’ is Apollo buying the design off you for their new scooter?
@@WonderousWelland you probably can’t patent the stance as it’s already used in EUC’s 🤷♂️
@@WonderousWelland they say immitation is the sincerest form of flattery. Still, if it helps makes eScooters safer...
@@ridetaur do you own the stance then if Apollo didn’t pay for it?
No matter how good, how well-designed, how careful the owner is; that scooter is still illegal in NSW, Australia.
Don't you just love politicians who are unable to understand how the world is changing?
I’ve got to ask - is this video just a brazen way of challenging the powers that be. “Here’s a thing that is technically illegal. I’m going to do it and put it on UA-cam. Let’s see if anything happens.” I totally agree if that is the case. Good job. The law is an ass!
At the beginning you said it was untrue that we'd all be better off on bicycles but you never substantiated that claim other than by asserting that this folds better than a folding bike. I'd say we would all be better off on bicycles.
In some cases a bicycle would be preferable. In other cases not. This is not about scooters vs bicycles! In overcrowded cities where many people live in shared houses and flats, a compact, foldable personal transport solution like a scooter has many advantages over a bicycle. Foldable bicycles are complicated, expensive and relatively slow for most non-lycra clad people.
all escooters are dangerous in the hands of idiots
"Spooned by a sweaty rando on the tube" made me exhale coffee through my nose :-)
How's the motorcycle licence coming along? Are we going to see reviews of electric mopeds, scooters (sit on) and motorcycles? 🙏
Great video Jack. Covered all the key points. I commuted on 750W eScooter for a year pre covid and it was great. Sold it though when there were increasing reports of fines and points. Madness. Good to see more micro mobility vids and not just cars. :D
You really understand this issue well.
i think micro mobility should be taught in school, as a way of life and as the future, being implemented, now.
How can we legalise electric scooters?
Great upload. Sensible riding habits go a long way.
The scooter rental companies would loose a lot of money if these was legal.
I wonder if lobbying is involved?
They have the motive
Not just e-scooter rental companies but also other bigger disruptive implications down the line!
What is taking so long for this government to implement law changes to allow new micro-mobility vehicles like this on the roads.
A suitable Tory party donor that runs a scooter business has not yet been identified. Isn't that obvious yet after all this time?
Come on U.K. let’s get on with it
I like it, as a motorcycle guy, I'm very curious about the side by side stance, I live in a rural area so I'd need more speed and would prefer suspension, I do like the wheel size though. I see this style of scooter gaining traction in the market.
This would be great for me to pop down the hill into my local town and, more importantly, up the hill and back home again. Right now, I either walk (2 hour round trip) or drive in a big car. C'mon moron UK givt, wake up and make these things legal. Looks like a well designed piece of kit too.
Cheers Eugene :)
03:53 -> 750kW? Damn, that's just 10kW less than the Tesla Plaid :D
tread is the part of the tire that is making contact with the ground, whether it has a profile or is uniform aka slick. There is no such thing and treadless tires. You'd be running on the carcass
E-scooters are a silly thing, going 20kmh on a vehicle with one less point of contact than a bicycle is sketchy enough.
Well said young man. The dithering on micromobility legislation has gone on far too long.
Just one tiny quibble. I'm not sure how much 'healthier' scooter users are. It's not active transport in the way that walking, cycling or even e-biking is. Probably good for mental health, but no more. Not sure if anyone has studied it yet (They have studied e-bikes and found that users get about 2/3rds of the benefit of cycling an 'acoustic' bike, which is more than most would expect).
What are 2/4rds - - and an acoustic bike? - - 2/4ths is two quarters, or one half - acoustic bike - do you mean a simple pedal cycle?
@@hamshackleton sorry - that was a typo for 2/3rds (now fixed). And yes 'acoustic bike' is a slightly wry term for we used to just call a bike, but increasingly the e-bike is going to become the default bike (it already is in some countries for new bikes), so it becomes increasingly necessary to be clear when you specifically mean a 'manual', or non-electric bike.
I ride EUCs (Electric Unicycles), and I do get out of breath when riding faster, it's all core strength and balance muscles, it's not cardio, but it's not nothing. The main health benefit is when you consider that the alternative would be a combustion car for most, then you have to compare me pouring out tailpipe emissions for you to breath in, or me scooting alongside you, both happy with our respective, legal, choices.
When it's framed like that - and I think it should be - scooters are as much for potential car drivers as they are bike alternatives - less cars is better, whether you consider a scooter exercise or not.
@@brushlessmotoring You are right that most micromobility requires more effort than car driving. EUC and one-wheels are at the 'more work' (and skill) end of things. Scooter-riding is pretty much just turning the handlebars with a smidge of balance. The main reason they are popular is that nearly anyone can learn to drive one in less than a minute. (i.e it's _waay_ easier to learn than riding a bike).
And yes obviously all micromobility is much better than car-sized EVs on a space, materials-use, energy-use, noise, cost and road-danger basis. And all EVs (even car-sized ones) are way better than ICE vehicles on a pollution basis (although rental scooters can have surprisingly poor emissions numbers due to people driving round to collect/charge/distribute them in ICEVs, and the very high attritions rates).
So yes more micromobility is a very good thing. Not quite such a good thing as cycling, but all not-a-car choices are progress (including public transport and walking).
Well. I commute regularly on my illegal one & can vouch for catching many less germs & lurgs as a direct result of not cramming into a packed train. So there’s that kind of healthier, for sure.
Had ya not left the EU I'm pretty sure there would been rules around this. Here in SWE things like this, including Electric bicycles are limited to 20 - 22 km/h or 20 + 10%...
24 mph seem a bit much... might not be dangerous to those of us whom grown up on bicycles, inlines, people that are active and used to all sorts of personal transportation, but problem is when average Joe get these things or kids. Heck, I have only tried electric scooters once, and it was scary at first mainly because the handle bars are so sort and tight it feels a bit wobbly at first, once I got in to it, I had no issue but yeah...
Personally, if I got any electric thing like this it would be a EUC (One Wheel)... 100+ mile range on some of them and you get a bit more of a workout on them... plus they can basically ride over anything, people take them up and down stairs, over lawns, offroad... they are incredible. Downside is they cost a lot and 90% of all of these come from China and its hard to know how much support you'll have once you get one, changing a wheel for example seem tricky... Anyway, thats the dream for me right now, have one of them things! :D But I could get a decent used car for that kinda money... 3 - 5k Euro's. People ride these things doing 40 mph or more... seems the US is in a similar situation where these things are kinda illegal as well. Some states might have rules around them...
I'm a big EUC rider and fan of them too - minor correction, OneWheel is a slightly different beast to an EUC, not as fast, different stance. If you get a smaller EUC wheel like the Inmotion V10F, it's not as pricey, much lighter, but still powerful enough for hills, not crazy fast - for me that is the perfect 'micromobility' e-wheel, after that, you get into a different class of long distance or high speed racing wheels - crazy fun, but also expensive and heavy. V10F is 30 miles of real range I believe, at around 25 mph top speed.
Thanks. I agree that aprox 20 miles or 30-35 km/h are safer than only e-assist up to 25 km/h on electric bikes and trikes. With your influence you could tell European authorities that 30-35 km/h with e-assist is safer for most people. This could be used by grown up people that can make up their minds themselves what speed is the safest in their commuting. And I think more peple would use an e-bike or trike for commuting instead of a big car, for example with all weather protection, if they could keep on some better with other traffic on open roads and use less time on their commute. Best Regards from Norway.
The question has to be does the rental scooter companies have any connections with a Tory minister or MP? That's how the Tories work, grease my palm and we will make sure you have a monopoly, we all know it's true.
Pure electric scooter looks better than that thing
All it needs is a seat.
I think you meant 750w for the power output, 750kW is insane amounts of oomph.
Would be funny to see him test that lol
This scooter is a serious safety hazard, not only for the one using it, but also for the ones he/she/it will crash into face forward when emergency braking.
Dont believe everything a paid advertiser tells you!
That is beautiful. but £800 when it is illegal yeh amazing they will pay the fine but then those 6 points impact your car insurance and motorbike insurance and hire car potential. Just can't take the risk at that price. I absolutely love that.
With Wales introducing a mandatory 20 mph limit and other sheeple authorities expected to follow. Then personal clean operating low carbon transport should be allowed the same way other modes are transport.
Using public
(affordable?) Transport is fine, but how about elderly persons with age related mobility issues traveling the last mile home up a hillside!
Travel in a heavy and wide FOUR wheel mobility transport and so called dedicated two wheel cycles is ok on pedestrian paths but NOT for E scooter. MAKE SENSE?
YET THE GOVERNMENT HAS MADE AT LEAST ONE MULTI MILLIONAIRE OUT OF OUR TAXES HOUSING BENEFIT CLAIMANTS.!
YOU KNOW IT MAKES SENSE ?
I have been commuting on one of my 2 e scooters for 3 years. Ok I live in Copenhagen where we have bike lanes everywhere. Only take my bike when having a drink as we can get points on the driving license if stopped on a motorized vehicle under the influence. Big decent e scooters with suspension, beefy tires are a decent amount of power are safer to ride than the standard ones. Better breaks, power to get up hills etc. my big scooter does 50kmh and has a range of about 50km. It is like having a moped that you can fold up and take into the office. UK needs to sort out the stupid laws around this great micro mobility solution. Use a helmet at all times, mine has built in indicators as you need to keep to hands on the steering.
Any issues with charging batteries or fire hazards?
Hotwells and the basin,fab place to live,nice 6 miler through Liegh Woods over the bridge and down the steps back into Hotwells in enough time for a pint in the Rose of denmark on the corner 😊
Legalise them, introduce some safety standards and get rid of the cheap dodgy ones in the process 🙏
@JackScarlett1
Simple and safe re-legislation for e-scooter riders:
Entry points for usage - Helmet, 18+, High-Viz vest.
£10 annual rider registration & induction process and code of conduct as it is for **ALL** drone operators.
Highway Code amendments to suit.
Additional legislation could include:
Standard approval processes on the quality of scooters / manufacturers leading to a complete ban on poor quality imported "fireball" shooters.
Approved battery unit design / cell manufacture, certified IP55 vehicles only.
That's exactly what I pitched to central government, local government and local police SLT pre-pandemic. Obviously you could go completely bonkers on the detailed legislation side but a simple registration fee would cover the costs of administration.
I hate riding with my feet in same position. If I stand one foot in front other foot behind. I have more control I need to bend my legs I feel safer that way
Oh my God, that's a perfect vehicle! I ❤ it ! In Australia we are allowed to have them, and take them on the bus and train as well. 👍
hm, I could drive a personally owned e-scooter in my country, but if this is 750W continous power, this one is marginally illegal here too. They're supposed to be limited to 600W and 25km/h, or else there's no place for them on the street. Curiously, if there's no bike track or path to drive on, one is supposed to go on the pavement (!!!) w it, not on a road unless there's actually no pavement at all, opposite of a bike, electric or not. No idea what genius in the parliament came up w that differentiation...
A 24mph e-scooter is never going to be legal, that's only 4mph slower than a moped which needs a driving license, cannot be ridden in cycle lanes or shared paths, has parking restrictions, needs registration, insurance, MOT etc.
It's going to be 12.5mph or if a higher standard of construction is required maybe 15.5mph same as e-bicycles.
I really doubt it's safer, certainly if it's used by unaccountable riders, motorcycles have a higher casualty rate both to themselves and to pedestrians than bicycles, even in places where the speed limit is 20.
It’s not just the e-scooters it’s who rides them and what happens in terms of collisions and who is liable. They need to sort that out. Are they a class of micro-mobility that is allowed only on roads and cycle lanes? Should they be allowed on shared paths and bridleways? The cycling infrastructure is appalling in the UK - treated as something tacked on to what we have already. That needs to be sorted out as part of a proper transport policy in this country that is so car centric.
Yes scooters should be legal like an E-bike ( 250w & 15.5 mph) , but would need indicators too . But 24mph/500w on cycle lanes shared with pedestrians isn't good . Why not add a seat & you could have it as a legal moped now, cheap to tax & insure AND you can get a numberplate, a licenses ,keep your blood alcohol down & a proper helmet & get respect when you ride on the road .
Yes the Taur is safe and of course Jack is safe on it. After all he is an experienced driver, knows traffic, has passed at least one driving test and knows the Highway Code. Now wind that back to a 12 year old who has maybe not ridden a bike, hasn't passed any driving tests, has no traffic experience, is excited about the 25mph toy on which they are allowed to go anywhere, and probably can't be prosecuted for dangerous driving. How do you legislate for that ?
The big advantage an e-bike, is that, iit helps to keep you fit.
I think people will stop fearing micromobility vehicle batteries, especially in cheaper models, if sodium was used instead of lithium. Look to CATL for that tech. I think most of the money in sodium will be in micromobility for the first few years.
Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4 or LFP) are also a much safer chemistry to NMC or LiPO batteries. The main issue (at least here in Vancouver) is stolen scooters getting modified to take a non factory charger (as the charger generally doesn't come with the stolen scooter) and the non factory charger ends up igniting the battery.
Not that it matters to the rest of the world, but keeping private scooters illegal will inhibit UK participation in this fast-growing sector.
That piece of crap forces one to ride with feet side by side, which is improper riding technique and is therefore inherently dangerous by design. Need look no further than that to reject. Highly irresponsible to promote. For all those new to e-scooters, steer clear. Cannot over emphasize the folly of this design. (There is a reason it mostly disappeared years ago.) Proper riding requires shifting weight front to back and side to side in a surfer stance, impossible with this design, which will prevent newer riders from ever becoming safe, competent riders. Dangerous garbage made by people who do not ride. The reason they are putting this forward is, it is probably cheaper to make this way. That doesn't make it safer. In fact, the opposite. Must to avoid.
These kickstarter thing are a bit... You know they could go under in a heart beat. You probably are way better off with electric brompton. It's legal too in UK..
Sorry, but you don't mention the danger to pedestrians.
They would be ok if they were restricted to 4 mph or so unless licensed, insured and with registration plates. These must require some sort of driving license that can be revoked for dangerous riders. They must have lights that are on whenever they are powered up.
Don't get me wrong, I have an EV, solar panels and batteries so am into the 'green thing'. But without some form of control, these are extremely dangerous vehicles. Many riders do not adhere to any road laws, treat pedestrians as an annoyance and are not insured or traceable.
Let's address the elephant in the room, while these may be a good form of urban transport, until these are covered by training requirements, licensing, insurance and identification they are a menace.
These need to be legalised please and let them share the cycle lanes if it provides more safety on the roads. Sadly my only issue with them is just the UK ppl in general, getting it mugged off you by evil people in the streets is not for me. We're not a country where we can have nice things.
Sorry but I think you are too quick to say they should be legalised and let there be a free for all. Currently with them being illegal there are already too many scenarios where people ride them dangerously.
You say that you want to fight misinformation but then you completely trivialise this problem, there are lots of differences between a private e-scooter and the rental ones.
- Does your e-scooter have gps tracking on it that limits your speed when you are in a pedestrianised area?
- Is your e-scooter insured?
- Is your e-scooter regularly checked and maintained to make sure it is road capable?
- Is your e-scooter registered to an individual such that, if its involved in an accident, it can be traced back to the responsible owner?
This is not an unbiased, informative video. It is an opinion piece that disregards many safety issues.
My car died recently and I do want one of these. But I hear UK or Met Police are taking them and fining owners. It disgraceful imo.
When they are authorized people ride them on side walks, walkways, which is awful.
If you’re going to ride on the ride, you need something much safer. These wheels and wheelbase are still tiny for road use.
I think the only problem with these, are the joy-riding teenagers doing stupid shit on them and breaking them. The electric push-scooters are fine.
The legalities are ridiculous as is trying to convince me this scooter is meanigfully better than the one you compared it to, bigger wheels? By how many millimeters? Regardless the closeness of the front wheel to the rider is just as big a problem which will send you over the handle bars if you brake hard enough at speed.
I like the scooter and I would get one if they were legal, but their not. Until they are legalised for public roads, they should be banned and enforced. The amount of stupid people I see riding them, children and adults alike is unreal. I'm surprised there are more deaths. They will need to be taxed, insured and the riders will have to prove they are atlest competent to ride them properly first.
The problem is simple but there is no real solution. You cant use it on the sidewalk because it is too dangerous for the pedestrians and you cant use it on the road because it is too dangerous for you. It is like a more dangerous bicycle. Not to mention of that almost all pothole is there where the bicycles and scooters should be. The side of the roads are the most damaged part of the road. Lots of potholes are dangerous even for the bicycles with much biggers wheels, even for a 26 inch mountain bike.
3:42 you talk about a unique ride experience unlike a unicycle... wtf you talking about a unicycle? first of all if you were talking about a one wheel'ed then it has the same foot flaps as your scooter.
Just bleeding brilliant and just what I've been looking for thank you so much 👍🤗i can't wait to get my hands on one
Looking forward to the day when they are not just legal but the batteries are all LFP or others that don't ignite so they can be allowed back on the tube and trains. As a last mile solution for those without a train station on their doorstep they are the best. And for a those with mobility issues but aren't wheelchair bound they are a lifeline that's currently illegal, keeping them trapped in their home unless they have assistance.