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Props master here. This is not an uncommon practice in the film/tv industry. Star Wars VI: Return of the Jedi used tie fighter toys in the final battle.
Haha I know it's a slightly different situation, but that some of the Spaceballs merch in the movie like the lunchbox and coloring book are actual transformers products with spaceballs slapped on has always been funny to me.
I've also heard it was a pretty regular practice on Power Rangers back in the day to simply replace a broken/worn-down prop with a toy that they literally went down to the store and bought.
I think it was E.C. Henry that brought that to my attention, he went to the trouble of proposing in universe lore for these slightly wrong l9oming attention fighters lol.
@@natsmith303 definitely don't doubt that based on the low budget and honestly kinda sketchy stuff that went into the early seasons. Not to mention its use of the original Japanese series with years of merch already making that even easier to do.
I think in the DS9 tech manual they said they also used a Nerf or Nerf like crossbow toy for both the Jem'Hadar's Plasma Rifles and the Hunters weapons in the episode Tosk. Just with a fabricated stock and other added greeble details. Then removed one of the crossbow arms and shortened the other when it was used as the Jem'Hadar rifle.
things that don't look like what they are in films makes me think of that Simpsons clip where Ralph asks a guy working on a film "why are you paining that horse?" "cows don't look like cows on film, you have to use horses" "what if you want to you want something that looks like a horse?" "eh.... usually we just tape a bunch of cats together"
While it’s not exactly the same thing as what happened in the video title, in TOS, some of Doctor McCoy’s medical instruments are actually salt and pepper shakers; they were originally bought to be prop salt and pepper shakers for the scenes where characters are eating because they looked fancy and spacey, but when they got around to filming, they realised that they looked so strange, that viewers wouldn’t recognise them as salt and pepper shakers, so the ended up getting recycled as Bones’ scanners.
In the Original Series, spray bottles were used to mist plants or medical sprays, and although the humble spray bottle is ubiquitous now, they really weren't a thing back then and barely existed for a year, and only in Japan.
Also in Star Trek they explicitly are not "just fax machines" the pattern buffer holds your energized particles, and sometimes a transporter malfunctions and duplicates someone when there's a power surge. They can sometimes treat an issue the person may be experiencing by comparing the current state of the person's transporter pattern to previously recorded states. It's actually more like the Willy Wonka device than Karl apparently believes. This is handwaving by the writers, but it's still a hard line in the franchise.
@@AxelLeJeff That is exactly how a fax machine works - it scans the document, stores the data in a buffer then transmits it to the other machine. If the other machine does not signal a clean receipt, it will retransmit. The only difference is that a fax machine doesn't destroy the original in the process of scanning it.
0:44 - fairly sure Trek is inconsistent on this; you have episodes where it can be used to duplicate people, but then there’s an episode where it’s revealed that you maintain a stream of consciousness when you’re transported. So it then becomes a sort of Ship of Theseus/Trigger’s Broom problem - what counts as ‘you’; sure, your body is completely rebuilt from the ground up, but your mind is the same one.
It's because they've solved the Heisenberg problem. The technology is based on scientific principles but it's science fiction, not science fact. How does the transporter work? It works very well.
In Trek your body is rebuilt with the same molecules in the same order, there is likely a period of unconsciousness which Barkley would not have been physically able to experience during that episode (being unconscious). The transporter duplicates Riker because while his particles are being sent from transporter A to transporter B they are duplicated by an anomaly with the duplicates being deflected back to transporter A. In the original series Kirk's duplicate causes some headspinning, but it's not a true duplicate as it's implied he's actually split in two (psyche-wise, how this is possible physically without adding more particles they never explain) and it was also caused by some anomaly.
@bleepbloop101010101 The transporter uses both, a matter stream and a data stream to disassemble and reassemble the transported person/object. If I remember correctly, they used a second transporter targeting beam to get Riker. Therefore, there were two transport streams, but one of them got reflected back to the planet. Where the extra material came from to reassemble both Rikers, I do not know.
According to DS9, there is a special function in the transporter that allows it to preserve consciousness/brain patterns. The transporter can actually separate a person's physical body and their brain patterns. It would help to explain how Scotty was preserved in the transporter for 100 years without having to be conscious.
Technically, prior to ENT's use of the phaser, the Borg Cube Playmates toy made an appearance in VOY's "Dark Frontier" approximately 14 minutes and 50 seconds in. I love it when the actor playing Annika's father says, "put down the cube, Muffin, it's not a toy."
This story reminded me of two specific prop incidents. The first is from Star Trek early in the first season. They were setting up the first alien planet and a prop designer was looking for "weird alien plants." Roddenberry saw nothing in them. He grabbed one, yanked it out of the pot, flipped it upside down, and pushed it back down, roots up, and said "That's alien." The other one was from a low budget moonbase movie. I have no idea which one. They security keypad was the cheapest available Radio Shack $9.99 black and white LED timer painted primer grey to match the entire base, which was the only color used on the set. I laughed and said, "I've got one of those!" It was sitting on my desk.
The Stargate doesn’t teleport you, it rips open a physical wormhole between the two rings, and then you may walk through them like passing through a normal doorway. There is a caveat if the machine is powered down while in transportation, I believe you can be stored in the machine like data, it’s covered in one of the episodes, and it’s been a while since I seen.
Just a fan theory, I think the transporter does break you down but the “pattern buffer” maintains your consciousness and your shape. Which would explain why old Montgomery Scott stayed alive memories intact decades later
@@johnyounger3331 the main issue is you'd never power the damn thing. no, what you really want are the quantum singularities from romulan warbirds. or naquida generators from stargate. ect. with that power, we could develop replicators on our own given time, energy is the main restricting feature.
yep... for starters you can tell someone to eat shit, and they literally could! Canon states that replicators don't make matter from energy as thats to energy intensive, instead they use waste materials, break them down on the atomic level, and rebuild them into your hamburger. and on board a spaceship like TOS enterprise, which has 430(ish) crew, you have a LOT of waste materials being produced. Have fun with that thought!
14:13 On a similar note to this topic, I remember watching a war movie, play dirty, on the tv, where the protagonists are avoiding the Afrika Corps, by driving down off a plateau whilst the Germans drove up the other side. The result of the cropping to fit on the TV was five minutes of staring at a mountainside and NOTHING else
To be a total nerd on this issue, the transporter, as described in Star Trek, works by converting you into a matter stream that can be easily transmitted to a different location. All those particles are still you, but simply converted into a different form. We know this because we've had plots where we've seen what it's like to be inside the transporter beam, and you're completely conscious as you go. Indeed, one of Barkley's plots relies on the transporter beam being an conscious experience. Now, it does get funky because that beam can be duplicated, which is how you get Thomas Riker, but I'd say there's enough evidence to suggest that you can duplicate the patterns in the matter stream under certain circumstances due to the weird physics involved, rather than it being that you literally die every time you get in. Of course, in real life, a teleporter would probably be a kill box, but I'm just being a nerd with Trek lore here.
Thank you! Also Bones describes it on several occasions as 'my particles being beamed across space' so definitely the same particles and layout before and after, not the fax machine that exists in many scifi series. Riker's duplication happened when the stream was on the way, so (assuming the originals made it to the ship) our Riker is still Riker, the second one is a copy. Wondering if you find it weird that Thomas Riker never got awarded for the event that promoted Will, from a moral perspective they both did it, and they kept Thomas in Starfleet despite being a copy so clearly they don't consider him non-existent before the accident that created him.
@@bleepbloop101010101 Wait... how do we know which Riker is the original and which is the copy? I'm going off memory here, but couldn't it be either one?
@@bleepbloop101010101 You can make the argument that because they've had different experiences there's no way to tell if they'd have made the same choice in that moment. Obviously not always applicable, but they have lived different lives after the split, and they might change in different ways after from different life-experiences.
A similar situation to this one is The War Doctor's sonic screwdriver in Doctor Who. For that, they worked with Character Options Toys and used one of the toys for the prop.
Also the Tenth Doctor's sonic. Original prop would break often because of the extension gimmick and light, so when they started making the toy, prop master grabbed one and they used that for the rest of that series.
@@egon90123 Actually, that's just a commonly circulated myth, when you compare the dimensions and designs of the screen used prop, versus the Character Options toy, you'll find the dimensions and even designs of the two are entirely different, in regards to the increased scale of the toy, inaccurate orientation of the support strut detail below the emitter diode, and a marked change in the proportions of the endcap of the toy, which was altered to provide interchangeability between the included pen nibs.
@@egon90123 If I remember correctly, from TheRPF and TardisBuilders, they switched materials on the sonic and changed the internal construction holding the prop together.
Transporters in Star Trek are complex, they don't kill you, but, they do dissasemble you as they scan you, they send two beams, an information beam and a particle beam, to the location you're transporting to (This is why transporting to a second transporter pad is safer/easier then from a pad to any other location) and then using the information reassembles you from the particle stream, ideally using your original particles. IF the information stream and/or the particle stream are interrupted or corrupted, the system tries to fill in the missing/corrupted data/matter, the results being transporter clones, fusions, or worst case, "Doesn't survive long, thankfully". Cardassians made an assassination device that took energy from the system to essentially cook you alive when you're being reassembled.
You guys bring up a lot of good points in this episode! 1) The episode "Second Chances" would seem to show that what comes out of the other end of the transporter is indeed an exact copy as they rescue a marooned Lieutenant "Thomas" Riker. 2) Touch screen interfaces ARE problematic. You can't use them without looking at them. They used touch screens very briefly on US Navy ships but went back to tactile controls after the touch-screens were implicated in collisions. 2a) On a nice side-note, the production designer for the Enterprise bridge controls for Star Trek The Motion Picture played the accordion; accordions have like a million buttons, yet accordion players are able to play without looking at the buttons because they have a 'home' button which is different in shape and feel to the others. All the player has to do is touch the 'home' button to correctly orient their hands on the controls. If you look at the bridge stations in The Motion Picture/Wrath of Khan, you will see a cylindrical button on the panels which serve that purpose.
25:31 - that’s not the first time Trek has done something like that; there’s one episode of TOS where one of the Enterprise’s sisterships has been destroyed, and to make the wreckage prop, they just went out and bought an airfix kit of the Enterprise and kitbashed it to be the wreckage. And one thing that’s notable about it is that that ship has a Naval Construction Code of 1071, despite the fact that canonically in universe the USS Constitution which was the prototype for the class of ship the Enterprise is was the NCC-1700. And the reason for that is because it was a model kit of the Enterprise, naturally it came with transfers for the Enterprise, which is the NCC-1701, and they just rearranged the numbers when making the prop without thinking about it.
Episode was "The Doomsday Machine" and it was an AMT kit, not Airfix. They also used AMT's "Klingon Battle Cruiser" (now known as the D-7) kit model as various Klingon and Romulan ships during the 3rd season. The 3/4 scale Galileo shuttle model for filming and the Galileo interior sets were built by AMT in exchange for the exclusive license for producing the models.
@@critter42 The model is pretty obvious when that ship enters the doomsday machine. The nacelles noticeably wobble, just like they did on the kit model.
@@critter42no that's not true. The model of the Klingon ship that was used for the third season was designed by Matt Jeffries, specifically so that AMT could sell kits of it. The miniature was 1/350 scale, twice the size of the model kit that was sold in stores
Speaking of unexpected ways to solve problems in film production, I will always admire the imagination of foley artists. Some times they go to great lengths to get the actual sound of the thing, and some times it's nowhere near what it's supposed to be. For the catapulted stones in the siege of Minas Tirith, they dropped huge pieces of concrete from high up. And on the other end of the scale, the hissing doors in Star Wars is the sound of a sheet of paper being pulled out of an envelope. As a funny middle ground, the sound of lightsaber fighting (not the hum itself, but how the hum changes as the sabres move) was originally made by putting a speaker with a constant lightsaber hum on the floor, and wave a microphone around in the air above it to match the choreography.
My favorite version of this sorta thing is the relationship between Star wars and their costume clubs. When someone makes stormtrooper armor, to get into the 501st, they need to meticulously match their costume to a screenshot from the movie. Replicate the exact details, any flaws etc. but, lucasfilm will then hire the 501st for background extras in shows, meaning those fan made costumes can now be considered viable canon examples that new members can match their suits to.
According to my extensive research (reading the Star Trek TNG Technical manual), the transporter transmits your atoms and quantum energy patterns to the destination using an annular confinement beam and reconstructs you from the same components against an energy matrix.
_Power Rangers_ also uses toys as props sometimes. In _Mystic Force,_ Disney couldn’t get their hands on Toei’s hero prop of the Violet WolzaPhone (Wolzard/Koragg’s MagiPhone/Mystic Morpher) so they had to use a toy from Bandai. But they couldn’t find any toys of the purple one which they needed so instead they bought a red WolzaPhone and repainted it. Also, some shots of the Shogun Megazord transformation in MMPR Season 3 were made using the official Bandai America toys, which is why the Crane Zord looks pink in some shots (Saban had Bandai make the Crane Zord pink for the _Power Rangers_ toy to match Kimberly’s suit, but it didn’t match the suit actors’ battle footage being reused from _Kakuranger,_ hence the discrepancy).
Don't forget that in season 1 of MMPR, the prop Morphers and blasters were the Zyuranger toys with altered decals in the Saban footage. It's perhaps the clearest when there's a closeup of the Dragon coin in Tommy's hand IIRC when Rita gives it to him in the alley.
In the pre-CGIed TOS episode The Doomsday Machine, the destroyed starship they find, the USS Constellation, was a model of the Enterprise they bought from a store and then modified. When they increased the resolution of the episode, the fact that it was a toy was evident.
Just to point something out; dealer plates are not the same as temporary plates. Temporary plates are just that, license plates that are good for a short amount of time (I think it is 10 or 14 days in the state I am in). They allow for a vehicle to be on the road when doing things that will allow you to get a regular registration (i.e. license plate) such as repairs and inspections. These are typically made of paper because its cheap. Dealer plates on the other hand are long lasting plates that literally say "DEALER" on them. They are unlike regular license plates in that they are not tied to a specific vehicle. They are tied to a specific business. They are what a dealer will put on a car when you take it out for a test drive. These are always metal. Temp plates and paper tags in general get abused a lot. Especially with fake and expired stuff. Dealer plates on the other hand, while occasionally you will hear something involving them, aren't really abused much. You can't print them out for a quarter.
And there was that time on Voyager(The Raven) when they used a toy Borg cube for young Annika to play with, and have her parents say "Don't play with that, it's not a toy!".
Transporters don't necessarily kill you. It's just a popular fan theory. My late wife's PhD thesis was on Proton Coupled Electron Transfer, which is when a proton and electron do a quantum jump from one location to another in one coupled quantum jump. It's quite possible that a similar theory is behind Trek transporters, and the technobabble title of Heisenberg compensators fit that idea (plus several times when it is said in on-screen dialog that the particles go from the source to the destination). She spent her life's research working on Molecular Dynamics and quantum simulation of (mostly) proteins. She always liked the idea that she was working on some of the earliest research that would lead to transporter tech.
Thats pretty cool that she worked on that type of stuff :). Also they have been able to transport single sodium atoms from one location to another just like a transporter. They were able to convert it to light or some other energy I think and then convert it back into the atom on the other side.
Odd, I remember when I watched the Picard show one seasons villain used the transporter to implant borg receivers when the person was being rebuilt. Being rebuilt implies they were taken apart in the first place and therefore killed. But If that isn’t true then I would like to say I love when a fan theory becomes so popular it becomes accepted as canon even though it’s never been directly supported by the show, for example in my little pony everyone just assumes alicorns are immortal, like, it’s just become a fact. But it’s never once said that they are, at the very least they live for around 1k years. And their disappearance in g5 implies they’ve been killed or just died somehow.
19:24 - That Wizard of Oz was filmed on black and white film … the whole thing. Technicolor was a camera with three synchronized lenses & film that each have a different colored filter that is then dyed onto the film and the three dyed films are overlayed to create technicolor.
The transporter killing you and making a copy is 100% against the laws of physics. First of all, No Cloning Theorem says that you can't make copies, PERIOD. Second of all, the inverse of that, the No Deleting Theorem says that you can't delete the original either. The takeaway is this... If "two" of you end up existing at the same moment, then the second one would be imperfect. There would be things that are different, like slightly different personality quirks. However so long as no more than one exists at any given moment, they're all the original.
There are many screen used props which were mass produced, not just that phaser. A bread maker for example. And every glass, and bottle in Quark’s bar.
17:21 I think that isn’t quite what RLM was trying to articulate. The entirety of all remastered TNG episodes is indeed in 4:3 just as originally intended. They didn’t reframe any shots into a different aspect ratio. What RLM is pointing out is the fact that back in the day they the low resolution of tv allowed them to be a bit more sloppy with how they framed shots. So there are a couple of shots that even back in the day featured some elements creeping in that weren’t meant to be seen but nobody bothered to fix them as they knew they could get away with it. Nowadays with HD these things are a lot more noticeable though. But it’s got nothing to do with a change in aspect ratios. Thankfully, the restauration kept the original shot composition fully intact.
Dealer plates do exist in the UK, all car dealerships have them. They're used when the dealer need to drive an unregistered vehicle on public roads, such as moving them from one branch of the business to another. They have red borders, and you'll usually see them wedged into the rear window or hanging from the boot lid.
Doctor Who did it too - Matt Smith broke his (specially made) sonic screwdriver prop so many times that the production crew decided it was cheaper to just buy a job-lot of the official replica toy and have him use those.
A similar toy/prop scenario happened in Doctor Who. The ninth doctor's sonic screwdriver was rather small, so the you version had to be bigger to fit the batteries. When this toy was shown to the tenth doctor, David Tennant, he liked the way the toy felt in his hand better, so they made a new prop based on it.
I know some shots in Deep Space 9 that FX people ran to hallmark stories for birds of prey ornaments as they were already lit and were not close up for a large fleet battle.
In Doctor Who, the War Doctor’s sonic screwdriver was a Fourth Doctor sonic toy with bits added, and the pencil tin of classic sonics in the episode “The Pilot” were all toys as well.
I don't know if this is addressed later, I've just started the vid. However Star Trek transporters, at least as of TNG era, explicitly DON'T kill you. They obviously never did, that's just later 'fridge logic' people applied once the real world theory of instant transportation become more well known. But it's sci-fi future tech in a TV show. It's not hard sci-fi, it's not a concern. *We may as well apply logic to magic; it's really not saying anything substantial. Anyways, in a TNG era episode when... i think Chief O'Brian and Barclay are talking maintenance, they mention the 'so-and-so compensator' or similar, named after the famous transportation theory. Lampshading to the audience and saying 'yes, we know what people are saying about transporters, but that's not happening here.' ...unless a plotline calls for it of course.
I interpret the transporter as turning matter into energy then transmitting that as a signal, like a change of state rather than making a replica. The canon does deal with transporter clones though so I guess the fax machine analogy is a valid interpretation. A view on this I once read in an online comic was that there isnt a single atom in your body thats the same as the day you were born, our bodies constantly replace cells and the individual molecules that make them are leave our bodies. We are not a monolith but a constellation. Edit: i really should learn not to comment in first minute of the video because eveyone else said it already!
Yeah, different body parts renew themselves at different rates. Skin might be one of the fastest. If you can grow a long hair it might stick around for a pretty long time but, then again, it's not alive. I think it is something like max 3 years for the slowest parts to completely renew.
honestly as long as the memories transport, and are retained, i dont care. thats still me. i dont care if im technically dying. my memories are my essence. thats all i really care about
No, transporters DO transmit you. The convert your body to energy, transmit the energy, and then reconstitute it on the other end. This is always how it has been explained and always how it has worked in media. I'm not sure how this myth got started. Maybe the episode where Riker got duplicated in a transporter accident? That happened because some space phenomenon REFLECTED Riker's energized atoms back to the surface, while some sort of power surge allowed the transporter to make a copy on the ship. If transporters worked like fax machines, you'd duplicate someone EVERY TIME you transported them. The legitimate question is, since the transporter annihilates your atoms in order to transform them into energy, does this not mean that you are dead, even though those atoms are reconstituted on the surface? Does the fact that numerically the same energy was used to construct the new you down on the surface make the situation metaphysically different than if fresh energy was used to make a copy of you? There's no correct answer, because it depends upon philosophical questions about which there is no consensus.
8:58 He jokingly calls the Cybertruck "a dumpster on wheels" but it's so true. There are reports of raccoons and bears tearing up parked cybertrucks mistaking them for actual dumpsters.
The thing about the gladiators is that people were perfectly fine when Disney had Hercules doing promos, but since it was in a kids movie, people probably didn't expect it to be real.
Shaddam's ship from David Lynche's Dune. Shown as it is approaching Arrakis for the showdown in Arakeen. I swear l see a house from a Monopoly game. Also, the microphone which was on the thopter at Leto's report of Wormsign is a spanner.
so there is an argument that you don't die though in the teleporter. forget what episode, but a character remembers seeing something in the teleport. js.
Yep, Trek teleporters aren't fax teleporters, in-universe it's confirmed on several occasions that your particles are sent and rebuilt in the same way.
I mean there's also evidence against that, transporter clones like the riker clone are basically the transporter creating a new riker from the last save it got (when riker was transporting out and was stopped due to interference) and leaving the original one behind on that listening post, it's also implied that scotty was stored as pure information in the transporter buffer and felt nothing when he was waiting for rescue pretty sure, basically, transporters in star trek are a contradictory mess lol, depends on the episode
Star Trek's teleporter doesn't copy you, because if they were just copying you there would be no range limit - however far away they can get the signal becomes how far they can beam somebody. But that's not how it works, it breaks down you into particles and beams them and you can only get beamed as far as that origin point can safely reach. That's why they can teleport people onto planets with no technology whatsoever. The thing about a fax is that you have a sending machine and a receiving machine - and Star Trek's teleporters don't have have receivers, just the beam that breaks down things, moves the particles, and reassembles them again.
We do actually have dealer plates here, usually called Trade plates, we just dont have the same registration system as the US so the customer doesn't retain them for a short while, they are generally orange marked and hung over the Cars normal plates and are intended to allow the Car to be test driven or transported short distances without needing a Seperate insurance policy, Tax or an MOT, they do sometimes get abused because of that so you might find stories on it if you feature it.
Transporters being fax machines that just get rid of the spare has been proven to be the case in that TNG episode where they find an extra Riker from a past transporter error. It copied just fine, but failed when it was supposed to destroy the "original".
Technically both would be copies as the original would’ve been ‘killed’ when he was dematerialised and both the Riker that rematerialised on the ship and the Riker that rematerialised on the planet would be copies.
Counterpoint: another episode of TNG, Realm of Fear. Barclay demonstrates continuity of consciousness while in the matter-stream. Honestly, transporters are the same as Willy Wonka's and/or straight up magi-tech.
Trek transporters are canonically not fax machines. Granted the episode you mention isn't really consistent, the copy that remains on the surface was not 'not destroyed', it was a beam that was reflected back to the surface I believe due to the anomalous conditions of the atmosphere/planet, while the beam also made it to the ship (again not sure this was super well thought out but an anomaly was involved so it's all good!). There's also the episode where we see the character's POV with continued consciousness during transport - experienced by a character who has an in-universe phobia of transporting and is never afraid of a supposed 'dying' aspect because it's not part of the process. He's afraid of transporter malfunctions and a psychological condition that used to be a rare occurrence post-transport.
I always liked how model makers bought hobby model kits of all kinds to provide detail parts for props and miniatures. It was also great how, in both Star Trek and Star Wars, off-the-shelf model kits were bought when new ships needed to be made, especially if they were 'background' ships, or were to be damaged or blown up. I also remember owning a water pistol which looked exactly like weapons Romulans carried in TNG (except more colorful). Whether the gun prop was actually the water pistol, or the toy was copying it, I cannot say.
1:00 there is another I think is in Ringworld Engineers, they have entangled pads that when you step on them they swap (but you either retain your original momentum in the new location plus the relative momentum between the pads, or your momentum is dissipated as heat, causing _problems_ if there is sufficient relative velocity between pads)
I'd actually point out that the Wonka teleporter and the Trek teleporter actually work the same. They are canonically claimed to record your structure, then converts your mass to energy, send the energy to the destination, and reconstitute it.
It sucks to see the views not being the same on this channel as it was before this has been one of my favorite channels since I watched your halo 5 main character video all those years ago. I hope you guys don’t plan on quitting anytime soon
When I was a kid, I knew exactly what the pads on _Star Trek_ were, and it made the toy cooler in my child mind. _The Starfleet Technical Manual_ tries to get around the fax analogy by saying that a person is converted to energy, and it's the energy and the matter that get beamed, so it's sort of the original person. Except for all the ways it's not really.
That is so perfect! I was promised a future where everything would be automated and hard labor would be done by machines so it would leave humans time to create and be more human... But now the human and creativity stuff is being done entirely by machines. Aunt, it's leaving all the manual and hard labor to be done by humans
regarding buttons, touchscreens etc, it's worse, because the controls for the air con or radio might have been updated for ubiquity but the steering wheel and pedals give you very precise control and feedback over the control of your vehicle. that said spacecraft have so many controls that they practically have to be controlled by computers or coordinated manual controls, and if they need rapid manual control, joysticks are probably to best compromise until neural control can be realized.
🤓 Actually, the transporter converts matter into energy then beams it to a location where it converts it back to matter. In the Star Trek: Enterprise episode Daedalus, Dr. Emory Erickson said: "And then there was all that metaphysical chatter about whether or not the person who arrived after the transport was the same person who left, and not some weird copy. " Later stating: "I had to fight all of that nonsense." *TL;DR: The person who enters the transporter is the same person who exits.*
Yes I believe this as well, you change fundamentally quite quickly, not just cells being replaced every 10 years or so, but your brain changes basically with each thought. Yes, the teleporter would kill you but you have you not died many times already? (Still not going in one lol) Also Star Trek nerd me has to point out that transporters in that series do recreate you with the same particles, that one is not a fax machine.
Star Treks transporters don’t kill you though. They, as the replicators, use matter-energy conversion. First, the computer scans you completely throughout, then converts your matter into energy, uses the containment beam to transport the energy to the new location where the energy is transformed back into matter that is aligned according the scan previously made. It is you that has been transported, but you did change from matter and information to energy and information during the process. That also explains why clones do sometimes appear, the energy can’t be contained and is reflected back, turning back into solid mass and the stored information of the scan is being restored into new matter gained from the ships energy. That’s why, when those transporter accidents happened, they had to increase considerably the power of the transporter. They had to compensate the missing energy after the matter-energy conversion. Scotty used the energy from the conversion to power the transporter when he crashed with a crew mate on the Dysonssphere. He could only be saved decades later because there is a lot of energy involved and the crewmans energy lasted that long…
9:05 (yeah they're called trade plates) they're white back ground with red letters or numbers. Edit. Adding more context. They're not temporary in the way mentioned in the video, you can't buy a car with them on. What they can be used for is if (for example) a second hand car dealer needs to take a car for repairs or an MOT. To be able get the car there and back they could use trade plates which would be linked to the business.
In a similar vein, Ghostbusters Afterlife and Frozen Empire both used toys as props in the films. In Afterlife, the ghost traps that are in the ground of the farm that trap Gozer, Vinz Clortho, and Zuul at the end of the film are all Spirit Halloween costume traps. You can tell by the cross-hatch pattern on the inside of the doors when they open up. In Frozen Empire, Phoebe's packs, most notably the brass plated pack, are often Hasbro Haslab Proton Packs, as well as several of the background packs. I believe the PKE Meters in both films are also modified Mattel Matty Collector PKE Meters, but I wouldn't swear to that. One of my favorite examples of toys being used as props has to be the weapon room in Men in Black 2, where 90% of the weapons are Super Soakers painted silver. It happens a lot, though, where a film or tv production will grab random crap to use as props in scifi. It just has to look unrecognizable to people for the few seconds it's on screen and it's accomplished it's job. Doesn't always work, but that's the idea. As for what tech from Star Trek I'd want, the holodeck. The ability to physically (more or less) step into any place or story, meet literally anyone who's ever lived, and have adventures like a life sized video game? Sign me up. A replicator would be nice, too, but I could get lost FOREVER in a holodeck.
on the saucer eject into the sun thing, the TNG episode Hero Worship points out that potentially dangerous actions require a command code. they're impossible to enter by accident. also physical buttons don't magically stop miss-clicks, the term originates from mouse and keyboard, not touch screens.
Either The Twilight Zone or The Outer Limits (or similar show) had an episode in the 90s or 2000s that dealt with the consequences of teleporters killing the original host. I don't remember what series or episode, but the general plot was that the teleporter claimed to have failed so the teleporter operator stopped the process. He later found out that the teleport was actually successful and he was supposed to kill the original woman since two copies of her can't be allowed to exist.
17:50 - that’s one thing where I think it can be agreed upon by everyone that 90s Trek did better than Babylon 5; for those that don’t know, for spaceship exterior shots Babylon 5 used CGI models whereas Trek continued using physical models, and as such the Trek spaceship stuff has held up better than the Bab5 stuff. It was amazing CGI for the time, but it hasn’t aged well.
It wasn't even that good for its time. Babylon 5's CGI was good as far as TV shows of the time were concerned, but not for CGI in general during the same era. It was mid at best, but given the budget and the medium it would be considered adequate to decent.
@@Eidolon1andOnly I was think more along the lines of CGI in TV shows, eg Beast Wars, Reboot, etc, rather than Hollywood grade CGI like Jurassic Park, but you do make a good point as I didn’t even think of contemporary films when I commented. 😅
Another non-murdering transporter (kind of) was featured in the Canadian sci-fi show, Dark Matter (not the recent Apple TV show). In this situation, you get into what looks like a tanning bed and are scanned without being murdered. A scan of you is made, and a copy is created at a distant location. The copy is not viable over the long term and dies in a few hours, but at least the original is unharmed.
With transporters, that’s the reason McCoy said, “oh, hell no.” The idea of persistent consciousness is well-discussed in SOMA. Definitely an interesting take, and uses the idea similarly to Star Trek’s transporter.
There are temp license plates in the UK. They are usually white with red and dealerships use them to transport a car from one place to another. My father in law used to do this for a living. he would take the number plate with him to the car, put it on the back of the car and then drive it to its new location and remove the temp plate to use again for the next car.
The bit that Eric brings up about keeping the janky effects in reminded of watching Pyramids of Mars before the Dr Who finale, but we watched the Tales From the Tardis version that had the modern time vortex instead of the original effect and it just looked wrong. I've seen the original footage since and it's just so much better, as it fits the aesthetic of the rest of the scene and show
When I first saw the movie Star Trek IV : The voyage home, I noticed that they had used parts from a plastic model kitset of a Klingon Battlecruiser to build the medical device used to heal Chekov.
In addition to the toy phaser the AMT kit model Enterprise was used twice in the original series. Once in the Trouble with Tribbles and in the Doomsday Machine.
The teleporter in Willy Wonka works EXACTLY the same way as a transporter in Star Trek, but transporters do it better. The ONLY teleporters in science fiction that don't work that way are ones like the Stargate which create wormholes to their destination.
In "The trouble with tribbles" there's a shot onboard a space station where the Enterprise can be seen outside a window. To get the shot they just hung one of the mass-produced AMT Enterprise models between the window and the starfield.
I fat fighter buttons all the time at work. We have page break that cancel current actions. Which page up and page break on the same button. Page up auto disconnect. Also shift f8 is also disconnect. Shift f9 is back to main menu. We have so many hot keys that duplicates actions. The point is even physical buttons have their problems too.
Inventions I would want most: Holodeck, repilcators, warp drive. Holodecks are so cool, and the characters are so reactive. Imagine playing like skyrim but the NPCs actually listen to what you say, and you can derail the story by killing someone important straight away. And you can go further than the maps borders because the computer can generate it for you.
Transporters use spacial compression, it is why they need buffers, as it is a lot of information to move. It basically sucks it into a pocket dimension in the buffer, then uses subspace/warping to "squirt it out" at the destination - that is why transporter accidents can "squirt you" into a parallel universe by accident. It uses a "crack" in space. It is also why replicators and transporters cannot be cross wired because replicators reorder atomic structure, and transporters warp space. It is also why there had been incidents of "seeing things" when they transport, as there was accidental 'bleed' into divergent universes when the teleporter was incorrectly calibrated.
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Warp Technology implies that Star Trek might have proper Teleportation.
Props master here.
This is not an uncommon practice in the film/tv industry. Star Wars VI: Return of the Jedi used tie fighter toys in the final battle.
Haha I know it's a slightly different situation, but that some of the Spaceballs merch in the movie like the lunchbox and coloring book are actual transformers products with spaceballs slapped on has always been funny to me.
I've also heard it was a pretty regular practice on Power Rangers back in the day to simply replace a broken/worn-down prop with a toy that they literally went down to the store and bought.
I think it was E.C. Henry that brought that to my attention, he went to the trouble of proposing in universe lore for these slightly wrong l9oming attention fighters lol.
@@natsmith303 definitely don't doubt that based on the low budget and honestly kinda sketchy stuff that went into the early seasons. Not to mention its use of the original Japanese series with years of merch already making that even easier to do.
I think in the DS9 tech manual they said they also used a Nerf or Nerf like crossbow toy for both the Jem'Hadar's Plasma Rifles and the Hunters weapons in the episode Tosk. Just with a fabricated stock and other added greeble details. Then removed one of the crossbow arms and shortened the other when it was used as the Jem'Hadar rifle.
things that don't look like what they are in films makes me think of that Simpsons clip where Ralph asks a guy working on a film "why are you paining that horse?"
"cows don't look like cows on film, you have to use horses"
"what if you want to you want something that looks like a horse?"
"eh.... usually we just tape a bunch of cats together"
it irks me that that clip was removed for syndication. it was excellent.
While it’s not exactly the same thing as what happened in the video title, in TOS, some of Doctor McCoy’s medical instruments are actually salt and pepper shakers; they were originally bought to be prop salt and pepper shakers for the scenes where characters are eating because they looked fancy and spacey, but when they got around to filming, they realised that they looked so strange, that viewers wouldn’t recognise them as salt and pepper shakers, so the ended up getting recycled as Bones’ scanners.
In the Original Series, spray bottles were used to mist plants or medical sprays, and although the humble spray bottle is ubiquitous now, they really weren't a thing back then and barely existed for a year, and only in Japan.
"Transporters are fax machines"
Is not what I expected when i clicked on this video
they are murder cubicles
Also in Star Trek they explicitly are not "just fax machines" the pattern buffer holds your energized particles, and sometimes a transporter malfunctions and duplicates someone when there's a power surge. They can sometimes treat an issue the person may be experiencing by comparing the current state of the person's transporter pattern to previously recorded states.
It's actually more like the Willy Wonka device than Karl apparently believes.
This is handwaving by the writers, but it's still a hard line in the franchise.
@@AxelLeJeff there was also a Reg Barkley episode on TNG where they actually show that one is conscious during the transport.
@@AxelLeJeff I had to jump down to the comments to see if someone had pointed this out in case I needed to XD
@@AxelLeJeff That is exactly how a fax machine works - it scans the document, stores the data in a buffer then transmits it to the other machine. If the other machine does not signal a clean receipt, it will retransmit.
The only difference is that a fax machine doesn't destroy the original in the process of scanning it.
0:44 - fairly sure Trek is inconsistent on this; you have episodes where it can be used to duplicate people, but then there’s an episode where it’s revealed that you maintain a stream of consciousness when you’re transported. So it then becomes a sort of Ship of Theseus/Trigger’s Broom problem - what counts as ‘you’; sure, your body is completely rebuilt from the ground up, but your mind is the same one.
It's because they've solved the Heisenberg problem. The technology is based on scientific principles but it's science fiction, not science fact. How does the transporter work? It works very well.
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After they perfected it during captain Archers time.
In Trek your body is rebuilt with the same molecules in the same order, there is likely a period of unconsciousness which Barkley would not have been physically able to experience during that episode (being unconscious). The transporter duplicates Riker because while his particles are being sent from transporter A to transporter B they are duplicated by an anomaly with the duplicates being deflected back to transporter A. In the original series Kirk's duplicate causes some headspinning, but it's not a true duplicate as it's implied he's actually split in two (psyche-wise, how this is possible physically without adding more particles they never explain) and it was also caused by some anomaly.
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The transporter uses both, a matter stream and a data stream to disassemble and reassemble the transported person/object.
If I remember correctly, they used a second transporter targeting beam to get Riker. Therefore, there were two transport streams, but one of them got reflected back to the planet. Where the extra material came from to reassemble both Rikers, I do not know.
According to DS9, there is a special function in the transporter that allows it to preserve consciousness/brain patterns. The transporter can actually separate a person's physical body and their brain patterns.
It would help to explain how Scotty was preserved in the transporter for 100 years without having to be conscious.
Technically, prior to ENT's use of the phaser, the Borg Cube Playmates toy made an appearance in VOY's "Dark Frontier" approximately 14 minutes and 50 seconds in. I love it when the actor playing Annika's father says, "put down the cube, Muffin, it's not a toy."
Haha, yeah I was going to mention that 😂
Modern Doctor Who has used both off the shelf toys and high-quality collectors replicas for Sonic Screwdrivers on quite a few occasions.
This story reminded me of two specific prop incidents. The first is from Star Trek early in the first season. They were setting up the first alien planet and a prop designer was looking for "weird alien plants." Roddenberry saw nothing in them. He grabbed one, yanked it out of the pot, flipped it upside down, and pushed it back down, roots up, and said "That's alien."
The other one was from a low budget moonbase movie. I have no idea which one. They security keypad was the cheapest available Radio Shack $9.99 black and white LED timer painted primer grey to match the entire base, which was the only color used on the set. I laughed and said, "I've got one of those!" It was sitting on my desk.
The other teleporter that does not kill you is the Stargate.
The Stargate doesn’t teleport you, it rips open a physical wormhole between the two rings, and then you may walk through them like passing through a normal doorway. There is a caveat if the machine is powered down while in transportation, I believe you can be stored in the machine like data, it’s covered in one of the episodes, and it’s been a while since I seen.
@@johnnymartin8480I think that might be even more terrifying
Lets not forget the time Scotty from Star Trek was trapped in the transporter for 80 years.😮
Just a fan theory, I think the transporter does break you down but the “pattern buffer” maintains your consciousness and your shape. Which would explain why old Montgomery Scott stayed alive memories intact decades later
Well not _directly._
Invention I want from Star Trek? Replicators. Imagine how many real world problems would be solved by replicators.
I agree with one change. I want the replicator from Stargate.
@@johnyounger3331 the main issue is you'd never power the damn thing. no, what you really want are the quantum singularities from romulan warbirds. or naquida generators from stargate. ect. with that power, we could develop replicators on our own given time, energy is the main restricting feature.
@@calorinedarkness5232 I was talking about the little genocidal Legos, lol.
Doesn't the replication system use matter from the sanitation system?
"Computer, Earl Grey. Hot ...and made of worf's poop."
yep... for starters you can tell someone to eat shit, and they literally could! Canon states that replicators don't make matter from energy as thats to energy intensive, instead they use waste materials, break them down on the atomic level, and rebuild them into your hamburger. and on board a spaceship like TOS enterprise, which has 430(ish) crew, you have a LOT of waste materials being produced. Have fun with that thought!
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14:13 On a similar note to this topic, I remember watching a war movie, play dirty, on the tv, where the protagonists are avoiding the Afrika Corps, by driving down off a plateau whilst the Germans drove up the other side. The result of the cropping to fit on the TV was five minutes of staring at a mountainside and NOTHING else
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There’s several widescreen stargate episodes with people standing off screen, usually crouching, waiting to run onto screen
To be a total nerd on this issue, the transporter, as described in Star Trek, works by converting you into a matter stream that can be easily transmitted to a different location. All those particles are still you, but simply converted into a different form. We know this because we've had plots where we've seen what it's like to be inside the transporter beam, and you're completely conscious as you go. Indeed, one of Barkley's plots relies on the transporter beam being an conscious experience.
Now, it does get funky because that beam can be duplicated, which is how you get Thomas Riker, but I'd say there's enough evidence to suggest that you can duplicate the patterns in the matter stream under certain circumstances due to the weird physics involved, rather than it being that you literally die every time you get in.
Of course, in real life, a teleporter would probably be a kill box, but I'm just being a nerd with Trek lore here.
Thank you! Also Bones describes it on several occasions as 'my particles being beamed across space' so definitely the same particles and layout before and after, not the fax machine that exists in many scifi series. Riker's duplication happened when the stream was on the way, so (assuming the originals made it to the ship) our Riker is still Riker, the second one is a copy.
Wondering if you find it weird that Thomas Riker never got awarded for the event that promoted Will, from a moral perspective they both did it, and they kept Thomas in Starfleet despite being a copy so clearly they don't consider him non-existent before the accident that created him.
Glad someone else brought this up. Even weirder than Thomas Riker was when Tuvok and Neelix got blended together to make Tuvix in Voyager.
@@bleepbloop101010101 Wait... how do we know which Riker is the original and which is the copy? I'm going off memory here, but couldn't it be either one?
@@cameronward9443 It's covered in the episode. They are both "real".
@@bleepbloop101010101 You can make the argument that because they've had different experiences there's no way to tell if they'd have made the same choice in that moment.
Obviously not always applicable, but they have lived different lives after the split, and they might change in different ways after from different life-experiences.
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Karl, Karl, Karl... DOCTOR Spock??? Mr. Spock was NOT a children's doctor from the 20th century.
A similar situation to this one is The War Doctor's sonic screwdriver in Doctor Who. For that, they worked with Character Options Toys and used one of the toys for the prop.
Also the Tenth Doctor's sonic. Original prop would break often because of the extension gimmick and light, so when they started making the toy, prop master grabbed one and they used that for the rest of that series.
@@egon90123 Actually, that's just a commonly circulated myth, when you compare the dimensions and designs of the screen used prop, versus the Character Options toy, you'll find the dimensions and even designs of the two are entirely different, in regards to the increased scale of the toy, inaccurate orientation of the support strut detail below the emitter diode, and a marked change in the proportions of the endcap of the toy, which was altered to provide interchangeability between the included pen nibs.
@@egon90123 If I remember correctly, from TheRPF and TardisBuilders, they switched materials on the sonic and changed the internal construction holding the prop together.
Transporters in Star Trek are complex, they don't kill you, but, they do dissasemble you as they scan you, they send two beams, an information beam and a particle beam, to the location you're transporting to (This is why transporting to a second transporter pad is safer/easier then from a pad to any other location) and then using the information reassembles you from the particle stream, ideally using your original particles.
IF the information stream and/or the particle stream are interrupted or corrupted, the system tries to fill in the missing/corrupted data/matter, the results being transporter clones, fusions, or worst case, "Doesn't survive long, thankfully".
Cardassians made an assassination device that took energy from the system to essentially cook you alive when you're being reassembled.
You guys bring up a lot of good points in this episode!
1) The episode "Second Chances" would seem to show that what comes out of the other end of the transporter is indeed an exact copy as they rescue a marooned Lieutenant "Thomas" Riker.
2) Touch screen interfaces ARE problematic. You can't use them without looking at them. They used touch screens very briefly on US Navy ships but went back to tactile controls after the touch-screens were implicated in collisions.
2a) On a nice side-note, the production designer for the Enterprise bridge controls for Star Trek The Motion Picture played the accordion; accordions have like a million buttons, yet accordion players are able to play without looking at the buttons because they have a 'home' button which is different in shape and feel to the others. All the player has to do is touch the 'home' button to correctly orient their hands on the controls. If you look at the bridge stations in The Motion Picture/Wrath of Khan, you will see a cylindrical button on the panels which serve that purpose.
7:57 "Buttons will always be key" - pun intended
25:31 - that’s not the first time Trek has done something like that; there’s one episode of TOS where one of the Enterprise’s sisterships has been destroyed, and to make the wreckage prop, they just went out and bought an airfix kit of the Enterprise and kitbashed it to be the wreckage. And one thing that’s notable about it is that that ship has a Naval Construction Code of 1071, despite the fact that canonically in universe the USS Constitution which was the prototype for the class of ship the Enterprise is was the NCC-1700. And the reason for that is because it was a model kit of the Enterprise, naturally it came with transfers for the Enterprise, which is the NCC-1701, and they just rearranged the numbers when making the prop without thinking about it.
Episode was "The Doomsday Machine" and it was an AMT kit, not Airfix. They also used AMT's "Klingon Battle Cruiser" (now known as the D-7) kit model as various Klingon and Romulan ships during the 3rd season. The 3/4 scale Galileo shuttle model for filming and the Galileo interior sets were built by AMT in exchange for the exclusive license for producing the models.
Where is it listed as 1071?
@@SiriusMined I misremembered, it’s 1017, not 1071.
@@critter42 The model is pretty obvious when that ship enters the doomsday machine. The nacelles noticeably wobble, just like they did on the kit model.
@@critter42no that's not true. The model of the Klingon ship that was used for the third season was designed by Matt Jeffries, specifically so that AMT could sell kits of it. The miniature was 1/350 scale, twice the size of the model kit that was sold in stores
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Speaking of unexpected ways to solve problems in film production, I will always admire the imagination of foley artists. Some times they go to great lengths to get the actual sound of the thing, and some times it's nowhere near what it's supposed to be.
For the catapulted stones in the siege of Minas Tirith, they dropped huge pieces of concrete from high up. And on the other end of the scale, the hissing doors in Star Wars is the sound of a sheet of paper being pulled out of an envelope.
As a funny middle ground, the sound of lightsaber fighting (not the hum itself, but how the hum changes as the sabres move) was originally made by putting a speaker with a constant lightsaber hum on the floor, and wave a microphone around in the air above it to match the choreography.
My favorite version of this sorta thing is the relationship between Star wars and their costume clubs. When someone makes stormtrooper armor, to get into the 501st, they need to meticulously match their costume to a screenshot from the movie. Replicate the exact details, any flaws etc. but, lucasfilm will then hire the 501st for background extras in shows, meaning those fan made costumes can now be considered viable canon examples that new members can match their suits to.
According to my extensive research (reading the Star Trek TNG Technical manual), the transporter transmits your atoms and quantum energy patterns to the destination using an annular confinement beam and reconstructs you from the same components against an energy matrix.
_Power Rangers_ also uses toys as props sometimes. In _Mystic Force,_ Disney couldn’t get their hands on Toei’s hero prop of the Violet WolzaPhone (Wolzard/Koragg’s MagiPhone/Mystic Morpher) so they had to use a toy from Bandai. But they couldn’t find any toys of the purple one which they needed so instead they bought a red WolzaPhone and repainted it.
Also, some shots of the Shogun Megazord transformation in MMPR Season 3 were made using the official Bandai America toys, which is why the Crane Zord looks pink in some shots (Saban had Bandai make the Crane Zord pink for the _Power Rangers_ toy to match Kimberly’s suit, but it didn’t match the suit actors’ battle footage being reused from _Kakuranger,_ hence the discrepancy).
Don't forget that in season 1 of MMPR, the prop Morphers and blasters were the Zyuranger toys with altered decals in the Saban footage. It's perhaps the clearest when there's a closeup of the Dragon coin in Tommy's hand IIRC when Rita gives it to him in the alley.
In Power Rangers Dino Fury they use action figures as "keys" to activate their powers. Also, their swords look straight up like toys.
In the pre-CGIed TOS episode The Doomsday Machine, the destroyed starship they find, the USS Constellation, was a model of the Enterprise they bought from a store and then modified. When they increased the resolution of the episode, the fact that it was a toy was evident.
Stargate used off the shelf safety glasses as space goggles.
I can't remember what race it was but they used a car air freshener as military medals haha
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Pretty sure Andromeda did as well for a the Magog fights.
Just to point something out; dealer plates are not the same as temporary plates. Temporary plates are just that, license plates that are good for a short amount of time (I think it is 10 or 14 days in the state I am in). They allow for a vehicle to be on the road when doing things that will allow you to get a regular registration (i.e. license plate) such as repairs and inspections. These are typically made of paper because its cheap.
Dealer plates on the other hand are long lasting plates that literally say "DEALER" on them. They are unlike regular license plates in that they are not tied to a specific vehicle. They are tied to a specific business. They are what a dealer will put on a car when you take it out for a test drive. These are always metal.
Temp plates and paper tags in general get abused a lot. Especially with fake and expired stuff. Dealer plates on the other hand, while occasionally you will hear something involving them, aren't really abused much. You can't print them out for a quarter.
And there was that time on Voyager(The Raven) when they used a toy Borg cube for young Annika to play with, and have her parents say "Don't play with that, it's not a toy!".
Transporters don't necessarily kill you. It's just a popular fan theory. My late wife's PhD thesis was on Proton Coupled Electron Transfer, which is when a proton and electron do a quantum jump from one location to another in one coupled quantum jump. It's quite possible that a similar theory is behind Trek transporters, and the technobabble title of Heisenberg compensators fit that idea (plus several times when it is said in on-screen dialog that the particles go from the source to the destination). She spent her life's research working on Molecular Dynamics and quantum simulation of (mostly) proteins. She always liked the idea that she was working on some of the earliest research that would lead to transporter tech.
Thats pretty cool that she worked on that type of stuff :). Also they have been able to transport single sodium atoms from one location to another just like a transporter. They were able to convert it to light or some other energy I think and then convert it back into the atom on the other side.
Odd, I remember when I watched the Picard show one seasons villain used the transporter to implant borg receivers when the person was being rebuilt. Being rebuilt implies they were taken apart in the first place and therefore killed.
But If that isn’t true then I would like to say I love when a fan theory becomes so popular it becomes accepted as canon even though it’s never been directly supported by the show, for example in my little pony everyone just assumes alicorns are immortal, like, it’s just become a fact. But it’s never once said that they are, at the very least they live for around 1k years. And their disappearance in g5 implies they’ve been killed or just died somehow.
19:24 - That Wizard of Oz was filmed on black and white film … the whole thing. Technicolor was a camera with three synchronized lenses & film that each have a different colored filter that is then dyed onto the film and the three dyed films are overlayed to create technicolor.
What the? I was certain Fact Fiend had gone to the great UA-camr retreat in the sky
Using it to promote Wikiweekends.
Yeah, what the hell? I’m glad their back but I’m so confused!
@kleioslibrary5451 he's got into his new place and caught his breath. He goes into it in the new channel.
@@TheForrest05 Thank you. I will need to catch up over there. 🙂
@kleioslibrary5451 yep, I hope they get it growing.
The transporter killing you and making a copy is 100% against the laws of physics.
First of all, No Cloning Theorem says that you can't make copies, PERIOD.
Second of all, the inverse of that, the No Deleting Theorem says that you can't delete the original either.
The takeaway is this...
If "two" of you end up existing at the same moment, then the second one would be imperfect. There would be things that are different, like slightly different personality quirks.
However so long as no more than one exists at any given moment, they're all the original.
There are many screen used props which were mass produced, not just that phaser. A bread maker for example. And every glass, and bottle in Quark’s bar.
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17:21 I think that isn’t quite what RLM was trying to articulate. The entirety of all remastered TNG episodes is indeed in 4:3 just as originally intended. They didn’t reframe any shots into a different aspect ratio.
What RLM is pointing out is the fact that back in the day they the low resolution of tv allowed them to be a bit more sloppy with how they framed shots. So there are a couple of shots that even back in the day featured some elements creeping in that weren’t meant to be seen but nobody bothered to fix them as they knew they could get away with it. Nowadays with HD these things are a lot more noticeable though. But it’s got nothing to do with a change in aspect ratios. Thankfully, the restauration kept the original shot composition fully intact.
Dealer plates do exist in the UK, all car dealerships have them. They're used when the dealer need to drive an unregistered vehicle on public roads, such as moving them from one branch of the business to another. They have red borders, and you'll usually see them wedged into the rear window or hanging from the boot lid.
Doctor Who did it too - Matt Smith broke his (specially made) sonic screwdriver prop so many times that the production crew decided it was cheaper to just buy a job-lot of the official replica toy and have him use those.
A similar toy/prop scenario happened in Doctor Who. The ninth doctor's sonic screwdriver was rather small, so the you version had to be bigger to fit the batteries. When this toy was shown to the tenth doctor, David Tennant, he liked the way the toy felt in his hand better, so they made a new prop based on it.
The transporter doesn't kill you, it's proven in the TNG episode Realm of Fear when Barclay is conscious through the entire process.
I know some shots in Deep Space 9 that FX people ran to hallmark stories for birds of prey ornaments as they were already lit and were not close up for a large fleet battle.
In Doctor Who, the War Doctor’s sonic screwdriver was a Fourth Doctor sonic toy with bits added, and the pencil tin of classic sonics in the episode “The Pilot” were all toys as well.
I don't know if this is addressed later, I've just started the vid. However Star Trek transporters, at least as of TNG era, explicitly DON'T kill you.
They obviously never did, that's just later 'fridge logic' people applied once the real world theory of instant transportation become more well known. But it's sci-fi future tech in a TV show. It's not hard sci-fi, it's not a concern. *We may as well apply logic to magic; it's really not saying anything substantial.
Anyways, in a TNG era episode when... i think Chief O'Brian and Barclay are talking maintenance, they mention the 'so-and-so compensator' or similar, named after the famous transportation theory. Lampshading to the audience and saying 'yes, we know what people are saying about transporters, but that's not happening here.' ...unless a plotline calls for it of course.
I interpret the transporter as turning matter into energy then transmitting that as a signal, like a change of state rather than making a replica. The canon does deal with transporter clones though so I guess the fax machine analogy is a valid interpretation.
A view on this I once read in an online comic was that there isnt a single atom in your body thats the same as the day you were born, our bodies constantly replace cells and the individual molecules that make them are leave our bodies. We are not a monolith but a constellation.
Edit: i really should learn not to comment in first minute of the video because eveyone else said it already!
Yeah, different body parts renew themselves at different rates. Skin might be one of the fastest. If you can grow a long hair it might stick around for a pretty long time but, then again, it's not alive. I think it is something like max 3 years for the slowest parts to completely renew.
honestly as long as the memories transport, and are retained, i dont care. thats still me. i dont care if im technically dying. my memories are my essence. thats all i really care about
No, transporters DO transmit you. The convert your body to energy, transmit the energy, and then reconstitute it on the other end. This is always how it has been explained and always how it has worked in media. I'm not sure how this myth got started. Maybe the episode where Riker got duplicated in a transporter accident? That happened because some space phenomenon REFLECTED Riker's energized atoms back to the surface, while some sort of power surge allowed the transporter to make a copy on the ship. If transporters worked like fax machines, you'd duplicate someone EVERY TIME you transported them.
The legitimate question is, since the transporter annihilates your atoms in order to transform them into energy, does this not mean that you are dead, even though those atoms are reconstituted on the surface? Does the fact that numerically the same energy was used to construct the new you down on the surface make the situation metaphysically different than if fresh energy was used to make a copy of you? There's no correct answer, because it depends upon philosophical questions about which there is no consensus.
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8:58 He jokingly calls the Cybertruck "a dumpster on wheels" but it's so true. There are reports of raccoons and bears tearing up parked cybertrucks mistaking them for actual dumpsters.
The thing about the gladiators is that people were perfectly fine when Disney had Hercules doing promos, but since it was in a kids movie, people probably didn't expect it to be real.
It's also about the drama. Shilling for products simply isn't serious.
Shaddam's ship from David Lynche's Dune. Shown as it is approaching Arrakis for the showdown in Arakeen.
I swear l see a house from a Monopoly game.
Also, the microphone which was on the thopter at Leto's report of Wormsign is a spanner.
Loving the content you bequeath us both on Wiki Weekends and now here again, thank you Karl and team! Much love to all!
so there is an argument that you don't die though in the teleporter. forget what episode, but a character remembers seeing something in the teleport. js.
Realm of Fear, we see the entire transportation process through Barclay's eyes.
Yep, Trek teleporters aren't fax teleporters, in-universe it's confirmed on several occasions that your particles are sent and rebuilt in the same way.
@bleepbloop101010101 One could argue that being ripped apart and reassembled still involves your death
I mean there's also evidence against that, transporter clones like the riker clone are basically the transporter creating a new riker from the last save it got (when riker was transporting out and was stopped due to interference) and leaving the original one behind on that listening post, it's also implied that scotty was stored as pure information in the transporter buffer and felt nothing when he was waiting for rescue pretty sure, basically, transporters in star trek are a contradictory mess lol, depends on the episode
So the Diamond Select phasers are now Canon.
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Star Trek's teleporter doesn't copy you, because if they were just copying you there would be no range limit - however far away they can get the signal becomes how far they can beam somebody.
But that's not how it works, it breaks down you into particles and beams them and you can only get beamed as far as that origin point can safely reach. That's why they can teleport people onto planets with no technology whatsoever.
The thing about a fax is that you have a sending machine and a receiving machine - and Star Trek's teleporters don't have have receivers, just the beam that breaks down things, moves the particles, and reassembles them again.
1:01 Stargate uses wormholes and doesn't "kill" the user don't know how the ring transporters work
We do actually have dealer plates here, usually called Trade plates, we just dont have the same registration system as the US so the customer doesn't retain them for a short while, they are generally orange marked and hung over the Cars normal plates and are intended to allow the Car to be test driven or transported short distances without needing a Seperate insurance policy, Tax or an MOT, they do sometimes get abused because of that so you might find stories on it if you feature it.
Transporters being fax machines that just get rid of the spare has been proven to be the case in that TNG episode where they find an extra Riker from a past transporter error. It copied just fine, but failed when it was supposed to destroy the "original".
Technically both would be copies as the original would’ve been ‘killed’ when he was dematerialised and both the Riker that rematerialised on the ship and the Riker that rematerialised on the planet would be copies.
Counterpoint: another episode of TNG, Realm of Fear. Barclay demonstrates continuity of consciousness while in the matter-stream. Honestly, transporters are the same as Willy Wonka's and/or straight up magi-tech.
Trek transporters are canonically not fax machines. Granted the episode you mention isn't really consistent, the copy that remains on the surface was not 'not destroyed', it was a beam that was reflected back to the surface I believe due to the anomalous conditions of the atmosphere/planet, while the beam also made it to the ship (again not sure this was super well thought out but an anomaly was involved so it's all good!).
There's also the episode where we see the character's POV with continued consciousness during transport - experienced by a character who has an in-universe phobia of transporting and is never afraid of a supposed 'dying' aspect because it's not part of the process. He's afraid of transporter malfunctions and a psychological condition that used to be a rare occurrence post-transport.
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I always liked how model makers bought hobby model kits of all kinds to provide detail parts for props and miniatures. It was also great how, in both Star Trek and Star Wars, off-the-shelf model kits were bought when new ships needed to be made, especially if they were 'background' ships, or were to be damaged or blown up. I also remember owning a water pistol which looked exactly like weapons Romulans carried in TNG (except more colorful). Whether the gun prop was actually the water pistol, or the toy was copying it, I cannot say.
Love this setup for Fact Fiend. The background etc makes me feel rather nostalgic for years ago before the subscriber boom.
Ey, fact fiend back on my recommended list. Nice. Glad yall are still around
1:00 there is another
I think is in Ringworld Engineers, they have entangled pads that when you step on them they swap (but you either retain your original momentum in the new location plus the relative momentum between the pads, or your momentum is dissipated as heat, causing _problems_ if there is sufficient relative velocity between pads)
I'd actually point out that the Wonka teleporter and the Trek teleporter actually work the same. They are canonically claimed to record your structure, then converts your mass to energy, send the energy to the destination, and reconstitute it.
It sucks to see the views not being the same on this channel as it was before this has been one of my favorite channels since I watched your halo 5 main character video all those years ago. I hope you guys don’t plan on quitting anytime soon
When I was a kid, I knew exactly what the pads on _Star Trek_ were, and it made the toy cooler in my child mind.
_The Starfleet Technical Manual_ tries to get around the fax analogy by saying that a person is converted to energy, and it's the energy and the matter that get beamed, so it's sort of the original person. Except for all the ways it's not really.
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That is so perfect! I was promised a future where everything would be automated and hard labor would be done by machines so it would leave humans time to create and be more human...
But now the human and creativity stuff is being done entirely by machines. Aunt, it's leaving all the manual and hard labor to be done by humans
regarding buttons, touchscreens etc, it's worse, because the controls for the air con or radio might have been updated for ubiquity but the steering wheel and pedals give you very precise control and feedback over the control of your vehicle. that said spacecraft have so many controls that they practically have to be controlled by computers or coordinated manual controls, and if they need rapid manual control, joysticks are probably to best compromise until neural control can be realized.
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You lot back!
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🤓 Actually, the transporter converts matter into energy then beams it to a location where it converts it back to matter. In the Star Trek: Enterprise episode Daedalus, Dr. Emory Erickson said: "And then there was all that metaphysical chatter about whether or not the person who arrived after the transport was the same person who left, and not some weird copy. " Later stating: "I had to fight all of that nonsense."
*TL;DR: The person who enters the transporter is the same person who exits.*
all we are, are copies. all of our cells get replaced at least once every 10 years. the transporter would just be a faster version.
Yes I believe this as well, you change fundamentally quite quickly, not just cells being replaced every 10 years or so, but your brain changes basically with each thought. Yes, the teleporter would kill you but you have you not died many times already? (Still not going in one lol)
Also Star Trek nerd me has to point out that transporters in that series do recreate you with the same particles, that one is not a fax machine.
Star Treks transporters don’t kill you though. They, as the replicators, use matter-energy conversion. First, the computer scans you completely throughout, then converts your matter into energy, uses the containment beam to transport the energy to the new location where the energy is transformed back into matter that is aligned according the scan previously made. It is you that has been transported, but you did change from matter and information to energy and information during the process.
That also explains why clones do sometimes appear, the energy can’t be contained and is reflected back, turning back into solid mass and the stored information of the scan is being restored into new matter gained from the ships energy. That’s why, when those transporter accidents happened, they had to increase considerably the power of the transporter. They had to compensate the missing energy after the matter-energy conversion. Scotty used the energy from the conversion to power the transporter when he crashed with a crew mate on the Dysonssphere. He could only be saved decades later because there is a lot of energy involved and the crewmans energy lasted that long…
I loved when B'lana wore tools hooked on the front of her uniform like a real nerd would. Something no real engineer would be caught without.
9:05 (yeah they're called trade plates) they're white back ground with red letters or numbers.
Edit. Adding more context.
They're not temporary in the way mentioned in the video, you can't buy a car with them on.
What they can be used for is if (for example) a second hand car dealer needs to take a car for repairs or an MOT. To be able get the car there and back they could use trade plates which would be linked to the business.
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A lot of props are simple off the shelf stuff. Even Mr Fusion in bttf is a coffee grinder
In a similar vein, Ghostbusters Afterlife and Frozen Empire both used toys as props in the films. In Afterlife, the ghost traps that are in the ground of the farm that trap Gozer, Vinz Clortho, and Zuul at the end of the film are all Spirit Halloween costume traps. You can tell by the cross-hatch pattern on the inside of the doors when they open up. In Frozen Empire, Phoebe's packs, most notably the brass plated pack, are often Hasbro Haslab Proton Packs, as well as several of the background packs. I believe the PKE Meters in both films are also modified Mattel Matty Collector PKE Meters, but I wouldn't swear to that.
One of my favorite examples of toys being used as props has to be the weapon room in Men in Black 2, where 90% of the weapons are Super Soakers painted silver. It happens a lot, though, where a film or tv production will grab random crap to use as props in scifi. It just has to look unrecognizable to people for the few seconds it's on screen and it's accomplished it's job. Doesn't always work, but that's the idea.
As for what tech from Star Trek I'd want, the holodeck. The ability to physically (more or less) step into any place or story, meet literally anyone who's ever lived, and have adventures like a life sized video game? Sign me up. A replicator would be nice, too, but I could get lost FOREVER in a holodeck.
on the saucer eject into the sun thing, the TNG episode Hero Worship points out that potentially dangerous actions require a command code. they're impossible to enter by accident. also physical buttons don't magically stop miss-clicks, the term originates from mouse and keyboard, not touch screens.
Either The Twilight Zone or The Outer Limits (or similar show) had an episode in the 90s or 2000s that dealt with the consequences of teleporters killing the original host.
I don't remember what series or episode, but the general plot was that the teleporter claimed to have failed so the teleporter operator stopped the process. He later found out that the teleport was actually successful and he was supposed to kill the original woman since two copies of her can't be allowed to exist.
17:50 - that’s one thing where I think it can be agreed upon by everyone that 90s Trek did better than Babylon 5; for those that don’t know, for spaceship exterior shots Babylon 5 used CGI models whereas Trek continued using physical models, and as such the Trek spaceship stuff has held up better than the Bab5 stuff. It was amazing CGI for the time, but it hasn’t aged well.
It wasn't even that good for its time. Babylon 5's CGI was good as far as TV shows of the time were concerned, but not for CGI in general during the same era. It was mid at best, but given the budget and the medium it would be considered adequate to decent.
@@Eidolon1andOnly I was think more along the lines of CGI in TV shows, eg Beast Wars, Reboot, etc, rather than Hollywood grade CGI like Jurassic Park, but you do make a good point as I didn’t even think of contemporary films when I commented. 😅
Another non-murdering transporter (kind of) was featured in the Canadian sci-fi show, Dark Matter (not the recent Apple TV show). In this situation, you get into what looks like a tanning bed and are scanned without being murdered. A scan of you is made, and a copy is created at a distant location. The copy is not viable over the long term and dies in a few hours, but at least the original is unharmed.
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With transporters, that’s the reason McCoy said, “oh, hell no.”
The idea of persistent consciousness is well-discussed in SOMA. Definitely an interesting take, and uses the idea similarly to Star Trek’s transporter.
There are temp license plates in the UK. They are usually white with red and dealerships use them to transport a car from one place to another. My father in law used to do this for a living. he would take the number plate with him to the car, put it on the back of the car and then drive it to its new location and remove the temp plate to use again for the next car.
19:31 My favorite movie effect ever was the lava scene from the technicolor time machine film. The ketchup lava worked so damn well!!!
The bit that Eric brings up about keeping the janky effects in reminded of watching Pyramids of Mars before the Dr Who finale, but we watched the Tales From the Tardis version that had the modern time vortex instead of the original effect and it just looked wrong. I've seen the original footage since and it's just so much better, as it fits the aesthetic of the rest of the scene and show
When I first saw the movie Star Trek IV : The voyage home, I noticed that they had used parts from a plastic model kitset of a Klingon Battlecruiser to build the medical device used to heal Chekov.
In addition to the toy phaser the AMT kit model Enterprise was used twice in the original series. Once in the Trouble with Tribbles and in the Doomsday Machine.
The teleporter in Willy Wonka works EXACTLY the same way as a transporter in Star Trek, but transporters do it better. The ONLY teleporters in science fiction that don't work that way are ones like the Stargate which create wormholes to their destination.
In "The trouble with tribbles" there's a shot onboard a space station where the Enterprise can be seen outside a window. To get the shot they just hung one of the mass-produced AMT Enterprise models between the window and the starfield.
I fat fighter buttons all the time at work.
We have page break that cancel current actions. Which page up and page break on the same button.
Page up auto disconnect.
Also shift f8 is also disconnect.
Shift f9 is back to main menu.
We have so many hot keys that duplicates actions.
The point is even physical buttons have their problems too.
Inventions I would want most: Holodeck, repilcators, warp drive.
Holodecks are so cool, and the characters are so reactive. Imagine playing like skyrim but the NPCs actually listen to what you say, and you can derail the story by killing someone important straight away. And you can go further than the maps borders because the computer can generate it for you.
We don’t call them dealer plates, we call them trade plates
Transporters use spacial compression, it is why they need buffers, as it is a lot of information to move. It basically sucks it into a pocket dimension in the buffer, then uses subspace/warping to "squirt it out" at the destination - that is why transporter accidents can "squirt you" into a parallel universe by accident. It uses a "crack" in space. It is also why replicators and transporters cannot be cross wired because replicators reorder atomic structure, and transporters warp space. It is also why there had been incidents of "seeing things" when they transport, as there was accidental 'bleed' into divergent universes when the teleporter was incorrectly calibrated.
Saying tat a Cybertruck looks like a dumpster on wheels is an insult to dumpsters
Except actual dumpsters typically have wheels to begin with.
Why is Desmond from a he pilot of smiling friends in a documentary of Star Trek
Smiling friends loves UA-camr cameos. Red letter media has a ton of content
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