@@MediaAromaVideoEditor They actually perform all their own stunts! But obviously they aren’t really falling, it’s all wires and trampolines and such. But they did use a special suit to actually get set on fire.
I can see that Reign of Fire was a major inspiration for HOTD and GOT. In the books the dragons are not realistic they are very fantastical the flames are multicolor replicating colors from the dragons don't have problems with weight the tv show care much about gravity etc.
Honestly, even before that, with The Flight of Dragons in 1982. It was based loosely on two books (The Dragon and the George circa 1976 & a speculative natural history book of the same name as the movie circa 1979) & I think that was my first experience with books/media talking about dragons in a more scientific manner; despite the high fantasy setting of the story & the movie being animated. I love speculative biology, hahaha
The thing with the emotional bond worked great. I loved the scene when Vhagar was getting up, ready to take flight out of the forest, but Aemond told her to whait. She just flopped down to the ground again with a sigh, like a big defeated dog, waiting for its walk lol. Also seeing Meleys die was just so heartbreaking 😢. Tells you how great and immersive the work on the dragons turned out
Loved the shots they had of Daemon arriving at Harrenhal on Caraxes, from dragonback pov, and also the shot they had of Rhaenys and Meleyes when she went upside down to lock claws with Vhagar.... They did an excellent job!
I loved how they depicted the bond between the dragon and its rider, Sunfyre and Aegon really care for each other, and you can feel the lifelong bond between Meleys and Rhaenys
Despite dragons being creatures of sorcery and magic, they still obey the laws of physics very well in the show, they worked their assess off to make them so "realistic".
I was really impressed with this dragonfight, I loved that the fight actually made sense...not like Dany fighting the night king where irt seemed like there was no logic involved at all, also everything was soo damn dark that it was impossible to see anything
Blame D and D. They were the worst writers in existence. I really wish they had listened to GRRM. Thank god that the writers of HotR actually listens to the author and pulls source material from him.
Would've been *peak* if they at least had their membranes covered more, like how far down bat and pterosaur membranes ran, y'know? I am also in love with how *hefty* they made Vhagar, like she's outgrown the world.
The dragons from Reign of Fire had the wing membranes end at the base of the tail. I love how sleek their wings look, like they were built for high speed flight.
I think the saddles have to be upgraded as the dragons grow and traverse through riders as they really big AF. That is why the detail of worn saddles is missed on me being too critically detailed and practical.
I had someone on Facebook argue with me that the dragons in this show are indistinguishable from each other. He made the argument that Arrax & Moondancer looked exactly the same. In my opinion, the dragons in this show are very distinguishable, I think the show has done an incredible job in the variety of characteristics in each dragons design. & I also don't agree with Arrax & Moondancer looking the same. They don't look remotely the same imo. Opinions?
I definitely agree with your thoughts here. While I can see where their argument is coming from, the production put a lot of work into building the personality and look of each dragon to overcome this. To create the dragons as distinct characters, they focused on size, shape, and color. Plus, I feel that tying the dragons to their riders also helps the viewers learn to differentiate them as the show progresses.
The only beef I’ve had with the designs is that GoT had drogons wings furl up then fan out on the wingbeats, while HotD just has them wave through the air with their wings extended evenly the whole way through, just makes them feel a little off
@@Wash-tq7edI went back to that scene and I like the wing furling, but I’d say it’s more necessary during takeoff or landing. Large birds don’t have a large flapping motion after they get the necessary speed and lift.
@@Lh-8777 you make an excellent point, large wingbeats can be pretty taxing energy wise, so it makes sense Vhagar just soars through the air without much movement, though I noticed Caraxes does it when Daemon leaves for Harrenhall, so it’s probably something they only animate when the dragons are trying to gain altitude
I really appreciate that! All music is sourced through Epidemic Sound or Artlist. The two songs in this video are both by Dusty Decks. First one is Stone Cookies and the second is Jaded Jacket. I think they can be found on UA-cam as well.
I think it controlls and guides the dragon where to go, like for example baela pulled on the reigns of moondancer so she would dive to scare the ever loving life out of the men, as for where its attached to, watch the baela and moondancer scene and look closely at moondancers neck
Impressive but the claws from what we know about animals with sharp claws such as eagles could have not produced such deep gashes during the clash in mid air that the the bowels were almost falling off
........... it's a dragon.. i think it's safe to assume their claws could do some nasty damage, especially with the size difference between meleys and sunfyre
Not to mention dragons don't have the whole complicated mess of feathers to deal with, so when they strike each other head on, they get straight to the organs.
The dragons in the show, although cool looking, are far from being scientifically accurate. Their wing design was based off of birds, narrow and long which would make it impossible for web-base wings to glide. If they flap their wings they can only go up, not forward. Bird wings are unique in that each feather is an individual wing in itself so more surface area will generate a greater difference in air pressure allowing lift. All scientific web-wing animals like bats and pterosaurs need more surface area to move forward so the skin needs to run down the body and attach to the hind limbs and tail like modern day bats. Even a human flying squirrel suit use this same principle to glide so no, these dragons will fall face first if they attempt flight.
The accuracy is based on the movement of their flight, their speed, and the way the wind moves around them. Making these scenes as accurate as possible, in turn, makes them more immersive for the viewer.
@@VodkaWasHere If accyracy was a concern, they wouldn't even look like flying bat lizards...Would be more closer to birds than GRRM's version. Honestly realism is an unnecessary focus in a fantasy show. It ia explicitly stated that dragons are magical creatures. Which means supernatural. Therefore physics and anatomy is expected to be wonky for them.
@@KyuuDesperation dinosaurs looked more birdlike stupid. tiradactils has a beak like mouth and their bodies were more aerodynamic. And dinos like T rex or even velociraptors probably had feather. Tell me how the hell a creature of the size of balerion or vhagar sustain flight. How can they even lift their weight in the first place realistically..Even flying dinasaurs weren't that big. And also tell me can the dinosaurs breath fire without burning the inner parts of their body.
@@heshangunarathna3262 There is actually a movie from 1982, titled Flight of Dragons, that made up a really cool scientific reason to explain dragon flight and fire breath. The dragons essentially eat a certain type of rock that makes hydrogen gas when mixed with their stomach acid. The hydrogen fills up air sacs within the dragons and make them lighter than air. The dragons descend by expelling the hydrogen through their mouths, which gets ignited into fire by a small organ within the dragons' mouths that produce electricity.
Shit! You mean these dragons are CGIs? Dragon's are not real?
This video must be fake.
I actually met Sunfyre’s actor at a panel a couple weeks ago. Bright young dragon and brilliant actor.
@@realdaggerman105 Were you able to ask if how they film that fall part? or they use double?
@@MediaAromaVideoEditor
They actually perform all their own stunts! But obviously they aren’t really falling, it’s all wires and trampolines and such. But they did use a special suit to actually get set on fire.
@@baba-zo8cvwhat the video meant by bringing the dragons to life they meant how they made the cgi
“They wanted the viewers to form an emotional bond with the dragons”
And the viewers agreed
0:32 from where u got that behind the szenes cgi material, pls i have to know!
I like how dragons seem to operate with the reign of fire logic, with dragons having a chemical sack full of a napalm like substance.
I can see that Reign of Fire was a major inspiration for HOTD and GOT. In the books the dragons are not realistic they are very fantastical the flames are multicolor replicating colors from the dragons don't have problems with weight the tv show care much about gravity etc.
Honestly, even before that, with The Flight of Dragons in 1982. It was based loosely on two books (The Dragon and the George circa 1976 & a speculative natural history book of the same name as the movie circa 1979) & I think that was my first experience with books/media talking about dragons in a more scientific manner; despite the high fantasy setting of the story & the movie being animated. I love speculative biology, hahaha
@@MarcosSantos-dj6lkIt was reign of fire and the movie that inspired reign of fire dragonslayer with Vermithrax Pejorative
@@Banished-rx4ol yeah is ''endless'' inspiration, probably vermithrax inspired Martin to do the names vermithor, vermax from fire and blood
@@MarcosSantos-dj6lk and vermithrax
The thing with the emotional bond worked great. I loved the scene when Vhagar was getting up, ready to take flight out of the forest, but Aemond told her to whait. She just flopped down to the ground again with a sigh, like a big defeated dog, waiting for its walk lol. Also seeing Meleys die was just so heartbreaking 😢. Tells you how great and immersive the work on the dragons turned out
Fun fact: dragon’s blood is hot like a lava so when it pours upon the humans, they melt.
Loved the shots they had of Daemon arriving at Harrenhal on Caraxes, from dragonback pov, and also the shot they had of Rhaenys and Meleyes when she went upside down to lock claws with Vhagar.... They did an excellent job!
I loved how they depicted the bond between the dragon and its rider, Sunfyre and Aegon really care for each other, and you can feel the lifelong bond between Meleys and Rhaenys
I like the added details of all the different saddles, and how Vhagar’s has so many loose straps from replacement. And a cargo net to climb
It's just genius to make these Dragons have personality.
I believe they also said they drew inspiration from how hawks fight by locking claws mid flight
Yes, birds of prey.
Yes, birds of prey.
yes he said that in the video
Despite dragons being creatures of sorcery and magic, they still obey the laws of physics very well in the show, they worked their assess off to make them so "realistic".
I was really impressed with this dragonfight, I loved that the fight actually made sense...not like Dany fighting the night king where irt seemed like there was no logic involved at all, also everything was soo damn dark that it was impossible to see anything
Like he said, night let them hide mistakes or shitty CGI, the whole episode was a damn mistake LOL
Blame D and D. They were the worst writers in existence. I really wish they had listened to GRRM. Thank god that the writers of HotR actually listens to the author and pulls source material from him.
To be honest, the color grading in HotD for the most psrt are grayish than GoT. It's like a filter.
Would've been *peak* if they at least had their membranes covered more, like how far down bat and pterosaur membranes ran, y'know? I am also in love with how *hefty* they made Vhagar, like she's outgrown the world.
The dragons from Reign of Fire had the wing membranes end at the base of the tail. I love how sleek their wings look, like they were built for high speed flight.
Hell nah dragons are real
I felt season 2 looked way better then season 1
Vhagar being ready to swing will never not be funny 😂
I think the saddles have to be upgraded as the dragons grow and traverse through riders as they really big AF. That is why the detail of worn saddles is missed on me being too critically detailed and practical.
I had someone on Facebook argue with me that the dragons in this show are indistinguishable from each other. He made the argument that Arrax & Moondancer looked exactly the same. In my opinion, the dragons in this show are very distinguishable, I think the show has done an incredible job in the variety of characteristics in each dragons design. & I also don't agree with Arrax & Moondancer looking the same. They don't look remotely the same imo. Opinions?
I definitely agree with your thoughts here. While I can see where their argument is coming from, the production put a lot of work into building the personality and look of each dragon to overcome this. To create the dragons as distinct characters, they focused on size, shape, and color. Plus, I feel that tying the dragons to their riders also helps the viewers learn to differentiate them as the show progresses.
It works very well, Sunfyre screething is embedded in my brain.
A very good breakdown of the different types of work that went into those amazing dragon fight scenes. Keep up the great work. 👍🏽
Emilia Clarke really set th3 stage for all of the experimentations of Dragonriding when she portrayed Daenerys Targaryen.
Using Led volumes to get correct lighting but replacing the chroma for BG is such a smart move. Best of both the worlds
Another thing i read in other videos is that the anatomy of the dragon affects the sounds they make. Pretty cool detail!
this is amazing work
Sunfyre shouldve been as aegons coronation
I’d pay so much for someone to let me on one of those saddle things.
The only beef I’ve had with the designs is that GoT had drogons wings furl up then fan out on the wingbeats, while HotD just has them wave through the air with their wings extended evenly the whole way through, just makes them feel a little off
HotD has them extended evenly the whole way through without the wings furling up? You mean like at 3:31 brother?
@@riot2136that is a good example of the wing furling done right, but even then it’s not the same as when Drogon returns in S06E09 of GoT
@@Wash-tq7edI went back to that scene and I like the wing furling, but I’d say it’s more necessary during takeoff or landing. Large birds don’t have a large flapping motion after they get the necessary speed and lift.
@@Lh-8777 you make an excellent point, large wingbeats can be pretty taxing energy wise, so it makes sense Vhagar just soars through the air without much movement, though I noticed Caraxes does it when Daemon leaves for Harrenhall, so it’s probably something they only animate when the dragons are trying to gain altitude
0:32 where u got that behind the szenes cgi material, pls i have to know!
ua-cam.com/video/asX8elKftVU/v-deo.html - there may also be some cool stuff in the episode 3 breakdown!
@@trevscinema thankuu! Will animate those dragons too :D
you clearly deserve more views
Hey man can you share the name of the background music? I really love your taste of choice of music
I really appreciate that! All music is sourced through Epidemic Sound or Artlist. The two songs in this video are both by Dusty Decks. First one is Stone Cookies and the second is Jaded Jacket. I think they can be found on UA-cam as well.
@@trevscinema ohh wow! thank you so much for sharing! the Stone Cookies really is something different. Nice taste and great video!
What bothers me in HOTD is that lack of natural light, why always shadowy smoky cloudy cinematography
Great Video !!
what does dragonriders pulling the reign do? is it attached to anything
I think it controlls and guides the dragon where to go, like for example baela pulled on the reigns of moondancer so she would dive to scare the ever loving life out of the men, as for where its attached to, watch the baela and moondancer scene and look closely at moondancers neck
Dawg you did not just make Lucerys and Arrax death one of the first shots you show 😭😭😭
Impressive but the claws from what we know about animals with sharp claws such as eagles could have not produced such deep gashes during the clash in mid air that the the bowels were almost falling off
........... it's a dragon.. i think it's safe to assume their claws could do some nasty damage, especially with the size difference between meleys and sunfyre
Not to mention dragons don't have the whole complicated mess of feathers to deal with, so when they strike each other head on, they get straight to the organs.
The closeup shots of the rider on the dragon looks sooo bad
not exactly scientifically accurate but realistic would be a better term for this
Vahgar is impossible just for the weight
The dragons in the show, although cool looking, are far from being scientifically accurate. Their wing design was based off of birds, narrow and long which would make it impossible for web-base wings to glide. If they flap their wings they can only go up, not forward. Bird wings are unique in that each feather is an individual wing in itself so more surface area will generate a greater difference in air pressure allowing lift. All scientific web-wing animals like bats and pterosaurs need more surface area to move forward so the skin needs to run down the body and attach to the hind limbs and tail like modern day bats. Even a human flying squirrel suit use this same principle to glide so no, these dragons will fall face first if they attempt flight.
Just opened to video to ask this: how tf can dragons be scientifically accurate?
The accuracy is based on the movement of their flight, their speed, and the way the wind moves around them. Making these scenes as accurate as possible, in turn, makes them more immersive for the viewer.
What the hell is scientifically accurate about dragons 😂
Accurate to physics and anatomically correct to what they would look like if they existed
@@VodkaWasHere If accyracy was a concern, they wouldn't even look like flying bat lizards...Would be more closer to birds than GRRM's version.
Honestly realism is an unnecessary focus in a fantasy show. It ia explicitly stated that dragons are magical creatures. Which means supernatural. Therefore physics and anatomy is expected to be wonky for them.
@@heshangunarathna3262bro thinks dinosaurs didn't exist.
@@KyuuDesperation dinosaurs looked more birdlike stupid. tiradactils has a beak like mouth and their bodies were more aerodynamic. And dinos like T rex or even velociraptors probably had feather.
Tell me how the hell a creature of the size of balerion or vhagar sustain flight. How can they even lift their weight in the first place realistically..Even flying dinasaurs weren't that big. And also tell me can the dinosaurs breath fire without burning the inner parts of their body.
@@heshangunarathna3262 There is actually a movie from 1982, titled Flight of Dragons, that made up a really cool scientific reason to explain dragon flight and fire breath. The dragons essentially eat a certain type of rock that makes hydrogen gas when mixed with their stomach acid. The hydrogen fills up air sacs within the dragons and make them lighter than air. The dragons descend by expelling the hydrogen through their mouths, which gets ignited into fire by a small organ within the dragons' mouths that produce electricity.
They failed Miserably despite all this work