It only matters at low leagues. Let's assume multiple scenarios : 1) you're on the ladder, silver/gold, you play against a bunch of maphackers, you lose, most of the time. That just means you don't get worse, you get better, each time. If you have time, watch replays, report obvious hacks, *move on...* you'll get better and will eventually rank up... 2) you're now plat. In order for maphackers to beat you, they would require to be slightly less experienced than you... or, they must take full advantage of the hacks. You lose, you derank to gold, don't worry, go to replays, it's obvious, they're hacking, report them... move on... 3) you rank up again, plat/master, and it's the same, *you even got better.* Hackers cannot beat you unless being blatant, and those trying to hide their cheatery aren't a match anymore, because they are wasting valuable actions. You WIN ! Report the last few dumb enough to still use a hack on plat league and above... As you can see, in the first replay of the video, the maphack is blatant, and Pig had hard time to defend. The actual hacker level gets obvious on the second replay : that's how he plays when trying hard to dilute his actions into "normal" ones, *he's just **_that_** baaaaaad,* not a single attack, got crushed on the first assault. Remember : you still get better each game, the cheater cannot... Bottom line is, a hacker won't ever shine in SC2, unlike other games, it's so randomly tactical (part of the strategy) that you cannot get better via hack, you remain gold/half plat, and since you started with hacks, it's even harder to get back on course and play fair, *you don't have the fundamentals in the first place.* Hacker being weak is not by chance, you just cannot be good - in SC2 - the moment you use hacks.
Did i already watch this on PiGs channel? Yes. Am I going to rewatch it front to back just for Winter's pov and commentary? Abso-fukin-lutely yes I am.
I don’t get why he didn’t just run into the main and kill PiG after destroying the Nexus a second time. PiG didn’t have much at that point, right? Those Marines would have just won. Also, it is amazing how he never took an expansion. You would think anyone who has played the campaigns would at least know how to take one (1) expansion.
Think it should be agains Zerg, considdering they have map hacks build in as the design. Flying depos with detection, creep and the fastest skirmisher unit in the game.
Perhaps you mean zergs. Protoss may have observers, but those can 100% be denied. Also look at terrans, not that quick and easy to deny scans and sensor towers.
@@Leonhart_93 yeah protos has observers but they Are not free like the overlords you need for supply. And they can even drop. Scans are at the cost of mules that are needed to equal the other races eco abilities
@@Actio83 However scans cannot be denied. You can always use one scan to see their exact build and if a base is defended or not and get in. And ofc mules are so overpowered compared to chrono boost that even when down 1 base, 10 workers and spending some of that energy on scans terran is always up in mineral income and supply.
@@Leonhart_93 short term yes, but crono allows you to speed up EVERYTHING. Mine saturation, army and upgrades. Mules are good but nothing compared to the other races macro mechanics
I haven't watched PIG's video, but it definitely seemed like he was starting to suspect something with how he was moving the Oracles and Phoenixes, baiting the maphacker into suspicious movements for this exact reason. Then in game 2 he knew exactly how to build to beat the guy. Winter hit the nail on the head when he said, "He's building things that require speed and micro to deal with.".
Second match PiG was aware, and gave the barcode a real match. First game he thought it was a legit game until chat pointed out the obvious, after PIG winning anyway. The commenting over himself is a laugh.
“You may know who the high school football team is passing the ball to, but that doesn’t matter when you’re too out of shape to catch up to them” Better sports analogy for map hacks not being able to win games
This gives me a therapy for me stress.... A loud laughter... Seeing he's already maphacking and yet he is just watching his marines are being cinders to ashes right before his maphacking eyes...
If you really wanted to make it convincing while map hacking, you could even do something as simple as setting up a camera location between their main & natural. That way you're always jumping to the exact same spot for the scout, it's not an unreasonable camera location set up ahead of time where you plan to attack or scan, and if you're swapping between them quickly it could just be written off as a fidget. Though this is really only true if you were actually using a control group where you might be swapping between a forward camera and an army centered camera.
@@jkkim6928 I do all the time when I'm doing a rush and certain timing attacks. Though I play zerg so often I will have an overlord anyway. It just makes sense to be able to snap your camera to where the enemy will need to be positioned to defend, even if you don't always have vision there.
There are special tools that evaluates if you are _reactive_ to hidden fog of the war informations, such as blob units movement, new structures, expansions... Some (if not all) deep and not so deep AI models for SC2 were designed in a way to make some realistic guess of where the ennemy could be, and suddenly, developpers realized it was possible to quantify how much actions of guess *makes sense* and how much actions are likely the result of knowing exactly where the opponent's units are despite under the fog of war, with a factor of relevancy. That said, I don't know if the tools (the extrapolated set of tools to assess logical vs cheating actions) made it to the monitoring of hackers, and of course, in the first place, it is probably impossible to check all SC2 games, one or several must report a game to get evaluated. What I'm saying is, there are countless ways to make a "fair" game "convincing" despite hacking, but that prompts the question "does it matter ?". Not only some tools can be used to output hacking statistics through any replay data or set of replays, but in SC2 either you get better and you have no practical time to get any advantage in using a (set of) hack, or you waste your time trying to disguise hacks in a normal game, and you get no better at SC2... The math behind those advanced modules are : - various maps of area of interests, like safety/threat level, gridwalk of highest winrate runby, resources, defensive positions, timings of upgrades/resources saturation/attacks, drops/pylon-prism warp/nydius potentials, units composition dynamics (7 stalkers with a warp prism and 5 gates have more potential than 12 stalkers)... each map gets updated realtime. - human/AI action vectors : you click or change camera, that's a vector>grid walk and/or an area of interest, it goes through the various above maps, a likely _reason_ for that action gets evaluated. - Upon any action, you get something like _"you want to go/do something there because [reason] while taking this [kind and amount] of risks, meaning you're [good/bad/knows some information...]",_ then calibrated depending on previous actions. - Every action gets plotted on various graph overtime, how long you do/want/intend to do something under what circumstances and amount of risks... if there is correlation between some graph areas and the couple graphs of _"makes no sense"_ actions, then either you're very bad at the game all the time, another couple of graphs will confirm it and it's okay, or you have extra information. That's the basis, with a lot of recursivity and degressive time/separation calibration in order to reduce false positive. Modules can be adapted to detect/highlight the specifics of a precise hack. The technology exists. Is it used ? I don't know, but, if I were to investigate, I would. As you can see, if the point of hacking is *to take actions,* while those actions gets evaluated from the macro down to the split second micro level, and you suggest to dilute those actions in a way it looks "normal", that just means "do nothing other than playing the game without hack..." (the moment those modules get involved)
They'd still likely get caught when they did the slow scroll up and down after jumping to the map location, which, as Winter said, is often one of the many dead giveaways.
26:55 this is the moment for me. You can tell that he can SEE the units on the high ground and is confused why his aren't fighting back, then finally scans.
He has high ground vision through the banshees. His units don't fight back because they're outranged. He scans because he pulls the banshees a bit back. It was just really bad army movement by him and he DOES have highground vision with the banshees. I don't see any confusion there either tbh, because his tanks are getting sieged and only then does he scan too.
9:50 FoW peek is an immediate strike. 12:42 is also a strike. Dude sees the oracle incoming on maphacked minimap, knee-jerk reaction is to box the two marines and move to intercept, but then thinks better of it. 17:17 boxing the one marine to trigger the other stasis trap, GtfO.
At 18:00 you can clearly see that he can't see stasis wards with his hacks because he misses one. He probably just has a good habit of sending marines forward, especially because he can see the oracles all the time, maybe even seeting those up and it reminds him of stasis wards.
i lost one of the most epic games i ever played cuz i completely forgot to check the watchtower outside my base. turns out he knew everytime i rolled out for an attack. tough lesson to learn - that was a long and emotional game.
In game 1, it's infuriating how fucking bad the hacker is. Doesn't make a turret in years, when he finally has turrets he places them like a dumbass, no stim research. Just pure marines.
Hey Neuro and uThermal also faced of against maphackers recently. You should reach out to them and do a whole series on how to mess with maphackers maybe?
Hey @winterstarcraft, you said you wonder how good you'd be with MH, have you thought about putting together a minor custom tournament where everyone has MH just to see how the games chane, no more cheese for one but maybe that's a bad thing...
This was absurdly obvious in the first game. He checked base to see what unit popped from Gateway and then watched the Adept leave. Dude was bad though, definitely.
"Mechanics are everything" yet this guy who is plat at best is pushing GM. And you missed a bunch cause he mainly used the minimap in the 2nd one. You had to look at where Pig's stuff was coming from and how he acted to it
@WinterStarcraft Is there any way I can contact you? I know of something you might be able to do something about considering your standing within the SC2 community.
How can I send you my replays? I need help! SIR! I am a beginning terran, I have a half azzed build order and very little ground game upon moving out. I have countered successfully! Help me please, as I hear you CAN be kind.
Back when I was trying to get better and understand StarCraft better, used a script/maphack for one game and realized how strong it can be when I saw a medivac travel through fog of war towards my base. I decided against countering it because I didn't want the unfair advantage and they earned/outplayed me already. I then started scouting at a much better timing just because I ised map hacks one time. I then had a great experience of countering that same play in a future game without hacking. Using it as a crutch is easy and Amy good player could win over 70% of games with one. Really shows how bad hackers are at legitemate mechanics
@@jkkim6928 damn, you must be all the fun at the club. Sir/madam, relax. I was curious what I was doing wrong, I learned, there was no further value in doing so. Even if I was still "a hacker" I don't enjoy pvp. Haven't for years. PvE is what I spend all my time on now lol. Whatever trauma you went through, I hope things get better for you.
But how? It's not like those hacks are just lying around and anyone can pick them up by being curious for a moment. You need to pay actual hackers for them, which implies serious intent on your part.
@@Leonhart_93 they weren't paid for at the time, this was back over ten years ago where it was just a free thing anyone could use. Also it showed a configurable color for different units, at the time I pretty much just used a color for the base's location on the minimap and one for drop ships. I didn't even have a credit card or form of payment at the time so I'm certain it was free. Oh! I just remembered it also had an inject macro I tried and hated because it took away control.
1mag1ne be1ng so bad u need to cheat to conv1nce urself ur not and actually start hav1ng fun ahhahahahahaha cheater L moment atleast they feel good abot theyselves double deluded ?
I would have watched PiG's video on this, I saw it in my recommended videos. I just don't like his commentary style. Liked and commented on this shamelessly stolen content.
My thoughts after watching half a video: Strike1 for nothing, strike2 for nothing - he could be checking if sg is a proxy, strike3 is semi-suspicious - his units are spread all over the map. Stepping into a stasis trap tells us that the barcode guy maybe legit. After game1 no solid evidence. Just streamers-youtubers hyping and shit-talking on a random cheeser.
Game2 has a suspicious interaction with observers. But since toss is extremely prepared its legit again. overall its just simple blind 3rax gameplay. Very lazy analysis. Mostly emphasizing low skill level of a barcode player instead of illegal moves. But since he is playing NA it seems legit again. My thoughts after watching the whole video - not convinced if the guy is a hacker or if he just doesn't care about what he is doing. "Strikes" given beforehand made this "investigation" less interesting to watch. Disappointed.
I also watched PiG's video. This guy always moved his marines to catch the oracle coming 1 second before. Also he dodged disruptors shots before they came out of the fog of war. Scrolling through the fog of war at random times and exposing his army for a minute in the middle of the map without any vision, not even a gold player does that. It's painfully obvious, if the fact that he is so very bad, slow, no macro or control groups, while being into GM (top 200 players) didn't give it away.
He moved his marines towards the oracle before he could see it at around 13:00. There's no reason whatsoever to move two marines towards that ledge there unless to intercept an oracle. No reason at all. I agree the scrolling through fog of war is less suspicious than people here think because it could be just checking the base for buildings (i might do that in my games too), but intercepting the oracle like that, for me, with the rest, is just unexplainable without map hacks. No amount of being lazy to justify that. Afaik stasis traps aren't revealed by hacks, only fog of war is lifted. At least other maphackers walked into traps all the time too.
We either have the exposed hacker here in the comments or a different hacker, gotta love it when they out themselves like this. Maybe try getting good at the game on your own merits instead of leaning on crutches like a complete tool.
im just happy to be here before Zerg Cerebrate Wolf made a comment
It’s hard while being sick and sleeping in lol
@@WolfGangDealers D: hope you get better soon
wholesome comment chain
Glad to see team S.H.I.T. Back at it busting the cheaters again
The S.H.I.T team doing it's annual community service!
The fact that player this weak got into GM because of maphacks really shows how important the map awarness is. But it's kinda sad at the same time
It only matters at low leagues. Let's assume multiple scenarios :
1) you're on the ladder, silver/gold, you play against a bunch of maphackers, you lose, most of the time. That just means you don't get worse, you get better, each time. If you have time, watch replays, report obvious hacks, *move on...* you'll get better and will eventually rank up...
2) you're now plat. In order for maphackers to beat you, they would require to be slightly less experienced than you... or, they must take full advantage of the hacks. You lose, you derank to gold, don't worry, go to replays, it's obvious, they're hacking, report them... move on...
3) you rank up again, plat/master, and it's the same, *you even got better.* Hackers cannot beat you unless being blatant, and those trying to hide their cheatery aren't a match anymore, because they are wasting valuable actions. You WIN ! Report the last few dumb enough to still use a hack on plat league and above...
As you can see, in the first replay of the video, the maphack is blatant, and Pig had hard time to defend. The actual hacker level gets obvious on the second replay : that's how he plays when trying hard to dilute his actions into "normal" ones, *he's just **_that_** baaaaaad,* not a single attack, got crushed on the first assault. Remember : you still get better each game, the cheater cannot...
Bottom line is, a hacker won't ever shine in SC2, unlike other games, it's so randomly tactical (part of the strategy) that you cannot get better via hack, you remain gold/half plat, and since you started with hacks, it's even harder to get back on course and play fair, *you don't have the fundamentals in the first place.* Hacker being weak is not by chance, you just cannot be good - in SC2 - the moment you use hacks.
I could have maphacks and the best AI micro and macro and still lose to Serral or Maru
Did i already watch this on PiGs channel? Yes. Am I going to rewatch it front to back just for Winter's pov and commentary? Abso-fukin-lutely yes I am.
Like a hero!
i have actually seen the 1st game; pig lost it when the barcode-player walked into the 3rd stasis trap despite maphacking XD
It's incredible how he can have whole vision of the map and still fuck up in the process.
Because he is really bad and slow. Like utterly garbage. It's offending he made it to GM, which is reserved for top 200 players only.
I don’t get why he didn’t just run into the main and kill PiG after destroying the Nexus a second time. PiG didn’t have much at that point, right? Those Marines would have just won. Also, it is amazing how he never took an expansion. You would think anyone who has played the campaigns would at least know how to take one (1) expansion.
''Maphacking a protoss is a victimless crime'' - SoupPirate 2022
Think it should be agains Zerg, considdering they have map hacks build in as the design. Flying depos with detection, creep and the fastest skirmisher unit in the game.
Perhaps you mean zergs. Protoss may have observers, but those can 100% be denied. Also look at terrans, not that quick and easy to deny scans and sensor towers.
@@Leonhart_93 yeah protos has observers but they Are not free like the overlords you need for supply. And they can even drop. Scans are at the cost of mules that are needed to equal the other races eco abilities
@@Actio83 However scans cannot be denied. You can always use one scan to see their exact build and if a base is defended or not and get in.
And ofc mules are so overpowered compared to chrono boost that even when down 1 base, 10 workers and spending some of that energy on scans terran is always up in mineral income and supply.
@@Leonhart_93 short term yes, but crono allows you to speed up EVERYTHING. Mine saturation, army and upgrades. Mules are good but nothing compared to the other races macro mechanics
Haven't watched yet, but these are my favorite of your series, even beyond bronze league heroes
I haven't watched PIG's video, but it definitely seemed like he was starting to suspect something with how he was moving the Oracles and Phoenixes, baiting the maphacker into suspicious movements for this exact reason. Then in game 2 he knew exactly how to build to beat the guy. Winter hit the nail on the head when he said, "He's building things that require speed and micro to deal with.".
When you are SO bad even with maphacks that people watching injure themselves...
A suggestion for better UI: instead of three Xs, spell out S H I T. It starts with an S and with each strike add another letter.
"What a donkey" LOL
I'm taking this insult for the next few weeks.
Thanks Winter.
I think in the first game he may have been trying to scan the last stasis trap but didn't have the energy so he ended up walking into it.
42:03
The dry humor and delivery made this way funnier than it should have been.
Second match PiG was aware, and gave the barcode a real match. First game he thought it was a legit game until chat pointed out the obvious, after PIG winning anyway. The commenting over himself is a laugh.
I like how Pig is such a nice person, giving the benefit of the doubt to his opponent, and going watch replay _before_ making a conclusion.
Map hacking or creative cartography?
“You may know who the high school football team is passing the ball to, but that doesn’t matter when you’re too out of shape to catch up to them”
Better sports analogy for map hacks not being able to win games
This gives me a therapy for me stress.... A loud laughter... Seeing he's already maphacking and yet he is just watching his marines are being cinders to ashes right before his maphacking eyes...
If you really wanted to make it convincing while map hacking, you could even do something as simple as setting up a camera location between their main & natural.
That way you're always jumping to the exact same spot for the scout, it's not an unreasonable camera location set up ahead of time where you plan to attack or scan, and if you're swapping between them quickly it could just be written off as a fidget. Though this is really only true if you were actually using a control group where you might be swapping between a forward camera and an army centered camera.
Nobody sets camera spots to enemy main, so that is already a giveaway
@@jkkim6928 I do all the time when I'm doing a rush and certain timing attacks. Though I play zerg so often I will have an overlord anyway.
It just makes sense to be able to snap your camera to where the enemy will need to be positioned to defend, even if you don't always have vision there.
There are special tools that evaluates if you are _reactive_ to hidden fog of the war informations, such as blob units movement, new structures, expansions... Some (if not all) deep and not so deep AI models for SC2 were designed in a way to make some realistic guess of where the ennemy could be, and suddenly, developpers realized it was possible to quantify how much actions of guess *makes sense* and how much actions are likely the result of knowing exactly where the opponent's units are despite under the fog of war, with a factor of relevancy.
That said, I don't know if the tools (the extrapolated set of tools to assess logical vs cheating actions) made it to the monitoring of hackers, and of course, in the first place, it is probably impossible to check all SC2 games, one or several must report a game to get evaluated.
What I'm saying is, there are countless ways to make a "fair" game "convincing" despite hacking, but that prompts the question "does it matter ?". Not only some tools can be used to output hacking statistics through any replay data or set of replays, but in SC2 either you get better and you have no practical time to get any advantage in using a (set of) hack, or you waste your time trying to disguise hacks in a normal game, and you get no better at SC2...
The math behind those advanced modules are :
- various maps of area of interests, like safety/threat level, gridwalk of highest winrate runby, resources, defensive positions, timings of upgrades/resources saturation/attacks, drops/pylon-prism warp/nydius potentials, units composition dynamics (7 stalkers with a warp prism and 5 gates have more potential than 12 stalkers)... each map gets updated realtime.
- human/AI action vectors : you click or change camera, that's a vector>grid walk and/or an area of interest, it goes through the various above maps, a likely _reason_ for that action gets evaluated.
- Upon any action, you get something like _"you want to go/do something there because [reason] while taking this [kind and amount] of risks, meaning you're [good/bad/knows some information...]",_ then calibrated depending on previous actions.
- Every action gets plotted on various graph overtime, how long you do/want/intend to do something under what circumstances and amount of risks... if there is correlation between some graph areas and the couple graphs of _"makes no sense"_ actions, then either you're very bad at the game all the time, another couple of graphs will confirm it and it's okay, or you have extra information.
That's the basis, with a lot of recursivity and degressive time/separation calibration in order to reduce false positive. Modules can be adapted to detect/highlight the specifics of a precise hack. The technology exists. Is it used ? I don't know, but, if I were to investigate, I would. As you can see, if the point of hacking is *to take actions,* while those actions gets evaluated from the macro down to the split second micro level, and you suggest to dilute those actions in a way it looks "normal", that just means "do nothing other than playing the game without hack..." (the moment those modules get involved)
They'd still likely get caught when they did the slow scroll up and down after jumping to the map location, which, as Winter said, is often one of the many dead giveaways.
in game 1 u see the terran guy moving marines toward where the oracle is going before he can even see it .. def suspicious
I was about to say the same thing. At 13:18 you can see him move the marines on the frame the oracle appears.
8:12 with the music matching when the marines start to shoot was pretty cool
26:55 this is the moment for me. You can tell that he can SEE the units on the high ground and is confused why his aren't fighting back, then finally scans.
He has high ground vision through the banshees. His units don't fight back because they're outranged. He scans because he pulls the banshees a bit back. It was just really bad army movement by him and he DOES have highground vision with the banshees. I don't see any confusion there either tbh, because his tanks are getting sieged and only then does he scan too.
@@asdfasdf-mn8iu ahh, good observation :) thank you
"Most terran players are probably on the spectrum somewhere" ... that made my day :D
It does feel like they are born to be salty and entitled.
@@Leonhart_93 How is that related to being on the spectrum?
@@bluejay7058 The context was the spectrum between a normal player and a cheater.
I remember this game. Terran can see everything, even the stealth units, to the point that he got information overload.
9:50 FoW peek is an immediate strike.
12:42 is also a strike. Dude sees the oracle incoming on maphacked minimap, knee-jerk reaction is to box the two marines and move to intercept, but then thinks better of it.
17:17 boxing the one marine to trigger the other stasis trap, GtfO.
At 18:00 you can clearly see that he can't see stasis wards with his hacks because he misses one. He probably just has a good habit of sending marines forward, especially because he can see the oracles all the time, maybe even seeting those up and it reminds him of stasis wards.
i lost one of the most epic games i ever played cuz i completely forgot to check the watchtower outside my base. turns out he knew everytime i rolled out for an attack. tough lesson to learn - that was a long and emotional game.
23:32 starring Winter as Le Chiffre.
In game 1, it's infuriating how fucking bad the hacker is. Doesn't make a turret in years, when he finally has turrets he places them like a dumbass, no stim research. Just pure marines.
I used to think Lowko and wintersc2 is the same person, but lowko has a more cheerful intro and winter has a more artosis like tone.
When Winter has had enough of your shit that he self injures!
YES! I needed this on my second monitor this morning, we had a rough start today.
The thumbnail makes me very happy, I'm always so glad when someone else has seen Kung Fury 😁
Hey Neuro and uThermal also faced of against maphackers recently. You should reach out to them and do a whole series on how to mess with maphackers maybe?
Crazy that this guy could get to GM with his mechanics.
Hey @winterstarcraft, you said you wonder how good you'd be with MH, have you thought about putting together a minor custom tournament where everyone has MH just to see how the games chane, no more cheese for one but maybe that's a bad thing...
This was absurdly obvious in the first game. He checked base to see what unit popped from Gateway and then watched the Adept leave. Dude was bad though, definitely.
You added a strike and then I choked on my smoke
He scanned 3 times. Once to provide high ground vision in game one, then the two times he went hunting for observers in game two.
Yeah, that by itself is pretty condemning. Terran players love to scan left right and center, even when it's really not needed just to be sure.
Cool content - props to pig and you too winter for the usual entertaining and hilarious analysis
I always look into my opponents main, just to mess with them if they watch the replay
“Guilty or innocent?” “Innocent!” “Feed him to…”
The distrupters dead balls would be so good agains that terran..
Would love to see how many hacks it would take for you to beat a top level player.
Start to get a little queasy with all the blood from winter‘s face
The macro and micro is plat at best. No way this dude is GM.
"Mechanics are everything" yet this guy who is plat at best is pushing GM. And you missed a bunch cause he mainly used the minimap in the 2nd one. You had to look at where Pig's stuff was coming from and how he acted to it
Guilty! Of injuring Winter's nose.
new inba league map just dropped, everyone has all players view.
you have to love those stasis denies
Does a degree from the South Hampton Institute of Technology get me into the Special Hacking Investigation Team?
hey i played against this guy yeah they were definitely more than sketchy
@WinterStarcraft Is there any way I can contact you? I know of something you might be able to do something about considering your standing within the SC2 community.
Ngl, I thought this was on PiGs channel XD
song pls *-*
yeah gonna need a name on this music
Hardspace Shipbreaker ost by the sounds of it.
@@skyfoogle6107 awesome! Thanks!
@@skyfoogle6107 thank you so much!
Interesting
Guest vid??
How many Shit episodes are done on stream that dont make it to a proper episode? Like fakes that dont turn out to be
pls i want ur soundtrack on this video Q.q
just playing against a Cheater 3 AI hahaha and still won
Ah.. Now, I don't want to be vulgar but.. Am I the only one weirded out by the fact the acronym for the Special Hacking Investigation Team is SHIT ?
He's a savant
How can I send you my replays? I need help! SIR! I am a beginning terran, I have a half azzed build order and very little ground game upon moving out. I have countered successfully! Help me please, as I hear you CAN be kind.
Back when I was trying to get better and understand StarCraft better, used a script/maphack for one game and realized how strong it can be when I saw a medivac travel through fog of war towards my base. I decided against countering it because I didn't want the unfair advantage and they earned/outplayed me already. I then started scouting at a much better timing just because I ised map hacks one time. I then had a great experience of countering that same play in a future game without hacking. Using it as a crutch is easy and Amy good player could win over 70% of games with one. Really shows how bad hackers are at legitemate mechanics
Once a hacker, forever a hacker. You can’t impugn yourself simply by letting your opponent have it
@@jkkim6928 damn, you must be all the fun at the club.
Sir/madam, relax. I was curious what I was doing wrong, I learned, there was no further value in doing so. Even if I was still "a hacker" I don't enjoy pvp. Haven't for years. PvE is what I spend all my time on now lol. Whatever trauma you went through, I hope things get better for you.
Ok hacker
But how? It's not like those hacks are just lying around and anyone can pick them up by being curious for a moment. You need to pay actual hackers for them, which implies serious intent on your part.
@@Leonhart_93 they weren't paid for at the time, this was back over ten years ago where it was just a free thing anyone could use. Also it showed a configurable color for different units, at the time I pretty much just used a color for the base's location on the minimap and one for drop ships.
I didn't even have a credit card or form of payment at the time so I'm certain it was free.
Oh! I just remembered it also had an inject macro I tried and hated because it took away control.
I bet PIG could easily hit #1 GM with maphacks
Pig with maphack < Serral
Pog
1mag1ne be1ng so bad u need to cheat to conv1nce urself ur not and actually start hav1ng fun ahhahahahahaha cheater L moment atleast they feel good abot theyselves double deluded ?
Don’t think it was proven beyond a reasonable doubt
I would have watched PiG's video on this, I saw it in my recommended videos. I just don't like his commentary style. Liked and commented on this shamelessly stolen content.
Shamelessly stolen? What are you on? PiG sent him the replays expressly for the video. He was even reading from messages PiG sent him at one point.
@@Draeckon My guy... it was a joke. The structure is "I approve that you did a bad thing", it pretty obvious.
My thoughts after watching half a video:
Strike1 for nothing, strike2 for nothing - he could be checking if sg is a proxy, strike3 is semi-suspicious - his units are spread all over the map. Stepping into a stasis trap tells us that the barcode guy maybe legit. After game1 no solid evidence. Just streamers-youtubers hyping and shit-talking on a random cheeser.
Game2 has a suspicious interaction with observers. But since toss is extremely prepared its legit again. overall its just simple blind 3rax gameplay. Very lazy analysis. Mostly emphasizing low skill level of a barcode player instead of illegal moves. But since he is playing NA it seems legit again.
My thoughts after watching the whole video - not convinced if the guy is a hacker or if he just doesn't care about what he is doing. "Strikes" given beforehand made this "investigation" less interesting to watch. Disappointed.
I also watched PiG's video. This guy always moved his marines to catch the oracle coming 1 second before. Also he dodged disruptors shots before they came out of the fog of war. Scrolling through the fog of war at random times and exposing his army for a minute in the middle of the map without any vision, not even a gold player does that.
It's painfully obvious, if the fact that he is so very bad, slow, no macro or control groups, while being into GM (top 200 players) didn't give it away.
He moved his marines towards the oracle before he could see it at around 13:00. There's no reason whatsoever to move two marines towards that ledge there unless to intercept an oracle. No reason at all. I agree the scrolling through fog of war is less suspicious than people here think because it could be just checking the base for buildings (i might do that in my games too), but intercepting the oracle like that, for me, with the rest, is just unexplainable without map hacks. No amount of being lazy to justify that.
Afaik stasis traps aren't revealed by hacks, only fog of war is lifted. At least other maphackers walked into traps all the time too.
I think you need your eyes checked "Boris".
We either have the exposed hacker here in the comments or a different hacker, gotta love it when they out themselves like this. Maybe try getting good at the game on your own merits instead of leaning on crutches like a complete tool.